Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Red Sox Redux: Redux Edition
2008-04-16 12:25
by Cliff Corcoran

Unlike the Rays, the Red Sox haven't changed a lick since the Yanks last saw them. Of course that was just two days ago in Boston. Both the Yanks and Sox swept two-game series on the road to start the week (the Sox doing so in Cleveland while the Yanks were in Tampa). The two rivals reconvene in the Bronx tonight with a rematch of the last series opener that saw Chien-Ming Wang outpitch and outlast Clay Buchholz as the Yanks won 4-1 behind Wang's two-hitter.

The Yankee offense has averaged 5.17 runs over it's last six games, but averaged just four per game in Boston. The last time through the rotation they allowed 4.6 runs per game. The Red Sox averaged 4.3 runs per game against the Yanks over the weekend and allowed 3.8 runs per game the last time through their rotation.

Joe Girardi posts his 16th unique lineup in 16 games tonight with Chad Moeller still catching and Jorge Posada back at DH at the expense of Johnny Damon, who yields left field to Hideki Matsui. Melky Cabrera leads off. Posada hits sixth between lefties Matsui and Jason Giambi.

As we saw over the weekend, the typical Sox lineup with Mike Lowell on the DL looks like this (a slight variation from what I posted in my last preview):

L - Jacoby Ellsbury/S - Coco Crisp (CF)
R - Dustin Pedroia (2B)
L - David Ortiz (DH)
R - Manny Ramirez (LF)
R - Kevin Youkilis (3B)
L - J.D. Drew (RF)
S - Jason Varitek (C)
L - Sean Casey (1B)
R - Julio Lugo (SS)

Jacoby Ellsbury is the man in center for the Sox tonight.

Comments (436)
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2008-04-16 14:29:59
1.   Schteeve
Why do we think Abreu hasn't been tried in the leadoff spot. Seems like a better option than Melky.

He gets on base, runs well (especially when he isn't trying to steal with A-Rod at the plate.)

Am I on an island with this?

2008-04-16 14:34:10
2.   Cliff Corcoran
1 In the early going their batting lines are very similar so it seems irrelevant. In the big picture, Abreu has more power, so you want him to bat with men on base so he can drive them in. Simple as that, really. Melky, Jeter, Abreu, Rodriguez, ascending power until you get to the clean-up man. I have no problem with it.
2008-04-16 14:59:18
3.   ny2ca2dc
Good news on Harlan!

Chamberlain's Father 'Much Better,' Says Girardi
By Tyler Kepner

There was good news today from Joe Girardi about the status of Joba Chamberlain's father, Harlan, who was hospitalized on Sunday night in Lincoln, Nebraska.

"His father is progressing," Girardi said. "He's about 40 to 50 percent on the ventilator. He sat up today for about a half an hour. Joba says he's getting a little bit antsy, so that's a good sign. He's doing much better."

Does Girardi have any indication of when Joba might re-join the team?

"No, not yet," he said. "There's still some more tests, I believe, that have to be run. But obviously his father is doing much better than he was a couple of days ago."

2008-04-16 15:17:43
4.   Cliff Corcoran
Red Sox roster update per Pete Abe: lefty-hitting IF Alex Cora is on the DL and replaced by lefty-hitting IF Joe Thurston, who was a Yankee farmhand back in 2005. Cora did not appear against the Yankees in Boston.

Also, Pete sez Crisp is out due to a sore hamstring.

The big news, however, is that Jorge Posada might be able to catch tomorrow, which would be huge.

2008-04-16 15:21:55
5.   Schteeve
2 I don't really care too much about the early stats, and Abreu's SLG has been trending down since coming to NY. Jeter actually out slugged him last season.

I don't think it would actually make that much difference, but I have a bit of a problem with Melky getting the most PAs.

2008-04-16 15:42:26
6.   monkeypants
5 Let's just be thankful it's Damon chewing up ABs, and work from there. (I know, I know, JD is drawing walks, etc.). In my universe, Jeter would lead off, but it's not my universe I guess.
2008-04-16 15:43:20
7.   monkeypants
4 Too bad Crisp is hurt; that means there is no temptation for the Sox to play him.
2008-04-16 16:07:58
8.   Mattpat11
I'm ready for some fine Yankee baseball.
2008-04-16 16:08:01
9.   RIYank
7 Yeah, although Ellsbury is a weak hitter away from Fenway. Small n though.
2008-04-16 16:09:00
10.   Mattpat11
Hawk changed his number today. I feel bad for him.
2008-04-16 16:15:44
11.   Mattpat11
Just frigging walk Manny.
2008-04-16 16:19:32
12.   RIYank
It's the walks that kill.
2008-04-16 16:19:56
13.   fansince77
Not for nothing but pitch one to Manny was a perfect strike at the knees. 1-o is a big difference to 0-1. If Wang doesn't get the strike at the knee look for a long evening.
2008-04-16 16:21:36
14.   OldYanksFan
Just some general FYI:
Career OPS+ for Active Players and All-Time placement

03. Barry Bonds (43) 182 L
09. Albert Pujols (28) 168 R
19. Frank Thomas (40) 157 R
25. Manny Ramirez (36) 154 R
34. Jeff Bagwell 149 R
34. Jim Thome (37) 149 L
39. Vladimir Guerrero (32) 148 R
41. Lance Berkman (32) 147 B
41. Jason Giambi (37) 147 L
41. Alex Rodriguez (32) 147 R

Seems like Albert is the most dangerous hitter in the game.
Not a lot of talk about what a great career the Big Hurt has had.
I am stunned Bagwell is so high. Certainly underrated.
Berkman the same as ARod.
Giambi, for all his struggles over the last 3 year is tied with ARod.

2008-04-16 16:23:34
15.   OldYanksFan
Is the an 'overall' Defensive metric? Something that combines FPCT, Zone Rating, and other accepted defensive stats? Sure would be handy. FPCT really doesn't tell you much by itself.
2008-04-16 16:24:18
16.   OldYanksFan
Matsui is really Japanese?
2008-04-16 16:25:40
17.   Mattpat11
2008-04-16 16:25:56
18.   fansince77
2008-04-16 16:26:26
19.   OldYanksFan
And THAT's why he's not bating leadoff! HA!
2008-04-16 16:26:45
20.   fansince77
I haven't seen Bobby hit too many no doubters and that was gone from the crack!
2008-04-16 16:26:51
21.   ny2ca2dc
Man, seeing the game on ESPN in the living room, with the MLB.TV feed in the den, you can see the crazy delay. The 1.2m feed has a good 2 minute delay!
2008-04-16 16:27:27
22.   fansince77
My my my. I heart Clay Bulcholz
2008-04-16 16:27:40
23.   OldYanksFan
And THAT's why he's not bating leadoff either! HA!
2008-04-16 16:27:44
24.   Mattpat11

Passes Williams and McCovey

2008-04-16 16:28:34
25.   ny2ca2dc
Holy fukin moley! Did that land yet?!
2008-04-16 16:28:55
26.   RIYank
19 Ha. It is a perfect illustration, isn't it.
2008-04-16 16:29:24
27.   OldYanksFan
21 Not only that, but the linescore on MLB.TV updates well before you see the play. It probably had us up 3-1 when ARod first came to the plate.
2008-04-16 16:30:33
28.   ny2ca2dc
27 Yep, have to keep that sucker closed.

15 Check out the fielding bible. I think it's reasonably inclusive

16 Are you serious? McFly?

2008-04-16 16:35:07
29.   Mattpat11
BTW, have we figured out yet why Sterling calls Abreu Il Duce?
2008-04-16 16:35:40
30.   bartap74
29 His uncanny resemblance to Benito Mussolini?
2008-04-16 16:35:47
31.   Zack
Well, that was a nice inning to tune in to. Seems like the Wanger might be off a bit tonight?
2008-04-16 16:36:29
32.   Mattpat11
29 I see.
2008-04-16 16:37:18
33.   Zack
29 I assume because Sterling is dumb and arrogant and decided to make his own version of "El Comedulce"
2008-04-16 16:37:28
34.   Mattpat11
Come on Wang.
2008-04-16 16:39:30
35.   Zack
Couldn't take the ESPN announcers anymore, so despite the lack of HD, I'm back to the EI Yes feed
2008-04-16 16:41:00
36.   Zack
2008-04-16 16:41:51
37.   Mattpat11
This is going poorly.
2008-04-16 16:44:05
38.   Adrian
No more walks or hits plzkkthx? Oh. Well.
2008-04-16 16:44:11
39.   RIYank
Wheels Varitek.
2008-04-16 16:45:55
40.   Mattpat11
Well, all things considered...
2008-04-16 16:45:58
41.   RIYank
Insufficient grit from Dusty.
2008-04-16 16:46:07
42.   Zack
Well that could have been worse. Maybe Wanger can build on that and our offense won't go to bed
2008-04-16 16:46:38
43.   Zack
41 He shoulda slapped at the ball
2008-04-16 16:46:48
44.   RIYank
That could have been worse. Once again, it's the walks that kill you, though.
2008-04-16 16:46:53
45.   Adrian
Wow. Kept it to 1 run. Nice job, CMW.
2008-04-16 16:49:32
46.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Good morning, Abreu and A-rod with the taters. Bucholz looking shaky? How is Wang looking, were the Sox runs cheapies??
2008-04-16 16:53:29
47.   Zack
Come on O, don't pumpkin...
2008-04-16 16:56:31
48.   Mattpat11
Suzyn announced that Moeller has a "great target"

I think that's carny for "Hits like Me"

2008-04-16 16:56:43
49.   RIYank
That was excellent. Castiglione had just said what great hands Dusty has.
2008-04-16 16:57:47
50.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
49 Gamecast a bit behind the Banter..error by Predroia?
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2008-04-16 16:58:19
51.   RIYank
46 The runs were largely attributable to walks. Both runs were guys who walked, and the second run was also advanced to third by a base-loading walk.
2008-04-16 16:59:22
52.   RIYank
50 As you'll know by now, not an error, but it did go off his glove.

Try GameDay instead. I think it's a lot faster and you get all that nice pfX info.

2008-04-16 16:59:52
53.   fansince77
Eish Melk looked like shit swinging at the rediculous curveball. Sometimes you wonder where his head is at the plate. Definately not a leadoff guy.
2008-04-16 17:00:45
54.   Mattpat11
Come on Wang. Nice clean inning.
2008-04-16 17:01:45
55.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
52 Sorry but where can I find GameDay?
2008-04-16 17:03:21
56.   mehmattski

Click on the little field-shaped icon next to the BOS-NYY. You'll need the latest version of flash.

2008-04-16 17:04:29
57.   Mattpat11
Manny is...angry?
2008-04-16 17:05:20
58.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
56 got it, thanks. MUCH better than Gamecast.
2008-04-16 17:05:26
59.   RIYank
Hee hee.

For those following on gamecast or whatever, Manny was pretty sure that last pitch was a ball, and he was halfway to first when the ump rang him up.

2008-04-16 17:05:44
60.   Zack
Well that was an interesting inning
2008-04-16 17:06:06
61.   mehmattski
57 Just slightly less disinterested. And embarrassed, since he was halfway to first base before McClellan punched him out.
2008-04-16 17:06:23
62.   Mattpat11
59 Sterling seems to think he was angry because it took the ump so long to call it.
2008-04-16 17:07:07
63.   bartap74
I thought there was a rule that arguing ball/strikes meant an automatic ejection.
2008-04-16 17:07:27
64.   Zack
Well, Tim McClelland is a bit known for that, taking is sweet ass time
2008-04-16 17:08:13
65.   OldYanksFan
What was that? Manny being.... Paul O'Neil?
2008-04-16 17:08:40
66.   fansince77
Can anyone tell me how Giambi is going to be valuable to us as a regular everyday player as long as he continues to pull the ball? I just can't figure out how he is going to hit much more than 200. It's not bad luck- it's one dimensional.
2008-04-16 17:09:59
67.   fansince77
Ok - Bucholz only pitch is a change. You think we start sitting that one soon?
2008-04-16 17:10:06
68.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
66 counting the games till he is off the books..where does his contract rank among the bad contracts in Yankee history? not the worst by far, but what if they had kept Nick Johnson and used that money for pitching...
2008-04-16 17:10:25
69.   Mattpat11
63 That's why they figured he was arguing the time of the call and not the call itself.
2008-04-16 17:10:50
70.   bartap74
66 Maybe he thinks he's using some kind of reverse psychology. They want him to hit into the shift, so he paradoxically does what they want. Not sure how that helps us win baseball games however.
2008-04-16 17:14:16
71.   fansince77
Note to Yanks: "sit change up"
2008-04-16 17:15:23
72.   Zack
Sure looks like the offense has pumpkined
2008-04-16 17:15:57
73.   fansince77
Note to Yanks; "sit change, foul off the weak ass fastball...but look change"
2008-04-16 17:16:22
74.   Mattpat11
71 and if he throws the fastball?
2008-04-16 17:17:21
75.   bartap74
74 Swing really fast.
2008-04-16 17:18:54
76.   Mattpat11
Suzyn's gonna get the scoopz on the Yankee laughter
2008-04-16 17:19:32
77.   Mattpat11
Tim McCarver disapproves.
2008-04-16 17:20:10
78.   fansince77
Of course if Bobby reached second from shallow center, Veritek is out also.
2008-04-16 17:20:25
79.   Mattpat11
2008-04-16 17:20:46
80.   fansince77
Oh fuck- Veritek should have been out at home by a mile. Melky had the ball in plenty of time!
2008-04-16 17:21:03
81.   monkeypants
78 Then MacCarver would have approved?
2008-04-16 17:21:18
82.   RIYank
2008-04-16 17:22:15
83.   fansince77
In fact Veritek was a step away from third when Melk came up with that ball. DAMMMIT!
2008-04-16 17:22:27
84.   monkeypants
I take it that Wang is off his game tonight?
2008-04-16 17:24:25
85.   fansince77
Why was that foul?
2008-04-16 17:24:53
86.   RIYank
84 Yeah. Not terrible, but certainly not like last game.
2008-04-16 17:25:38
87.   fansince77
Wang is sucking ass tonite! This seems like the kind of game the Red Sox were ready to lie down for and now their like- "Ok ...if you want to us to play we will."
2008-04-16 17:32:51
88.   RIYank
Both outs have been long flies. So close.
2008-04-16 17:34:13
89.   fansince77
note to cano: line drives, remember those things you used to smack all around the field. Don't abandon the line drive man.
2008-04-16 17:37:03
90.   OldYanksFan
Anyone got a pitch count on Buckholes?
2008-04-16 17:37:33
91.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
2008-04-16 17:38:21
92.   Mattpat11
2008-04-16 17:38:50
93.   fansince77
better lucky than good.
2008-04-16 17:39:30
94.   fansince77
Does that mean that Molina is now Jose Pipp Jr.
2008-04-16 17:39:51
95.   Mattpat11
90 78
2008-04-16 17:39:51
96.   rbj
Hi everybody

/Dr. Nick voice

What with all the crappy BUCs we've gone through the last few years, the odds had to go in our favor.

2008-04-16 17:39:54
97.   fansince77
note to Melk: TAKE THREE.
2008-04-16 17:40:04
98.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
wait..why did Giambi not score there?
2008-04-16 17:40:59
99.   OldYanksFan
Pitchcount NOW (after Melky walks)
2008-04-16 17:41:26
100.   fansince77
Let's go Jeter! Let's go Jeter! Let's go Jeter! De-rek Je-ter!
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2008-04-16 17:41:32
101.   Mattpat11
98 he runs like me
2008-04-16 17:41:51
102.   OldYanksFan
2008-04-16 17:42:04
103.   Mattpat11
81 pitches
2008-04-16 17:42:17
104.   OldYanksFan
Take one for the team!
2008-04-16 17:42:25
105.   Zack
It's really freaky to hear about these "kids" who "grew up" idolizing Jeter.
2008-04-16 17:42:30
106.   OldYanksFan
103 Thanks
2008-04-16 17:43:22
107.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Bucholzi isn't even close to the plate now...
2008-04-16 17:43:52
108.   fansince77
Note to Jeter: Look CHANGE!
2008-04-16 17:44:24
109.   Mattpat11
2008-04-16 17:44:25
110.   rbj
Oh yes!!
2008-04-16 17:44:30
111.   Zack
Thanks Cap'n!
2008-04-16 17:44:53
112.   mehmattski
108 Incorrect. Fastball.
2008-04-16 17:45:05
113.   fansince77
Why did the announcer say "Little Flair into right?" That was a beautiful line drive. God these ESPN guys hate the Yanks! Yeah!
2008-04-16 17:45:37
114.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Yayy!!! Always trust in the Captain!
2008-04-16 17:45:38
115.   ChrisS
Frankly, if he keeps driving in runs with two outs, I don't care if he gets an XBH all season.
2008-04-16 17:45:52
116.   fansince77
112 correct you are...and he drilled it.
2008-04-16 17:46:21
117.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
and it's Tavarez..I like watching him pitch for so many reasons...
2008-04-16 17:48:13
118.   fansince77
Tevarez is slow to the plate...Jeter can take second standing up.
2008-04-16 17:48:22
119.   ChrisS
117 his probable insanity?
2008-04-16 17:48:34
120.   monkeypants
Who are these strangers in pinstripes who get hits with two outs and do not leave the bases loaded?
2008-04-16 17:48:37
121.   Mattpat11
112 That's why you don't sit soft stuff.
2008-04-16 17:48:51
122.   Adrian
Woo! Scoring runs w/2 out! Finally!
2008-04-16 17:49:46
123.   Mattpat11
2008-04-16 17:50:22
124.   RIYank
Now I'm really glad they didn't send Melk on the Jeter hit.
2008-04-16 17:50:41
125.   Adrian
Yeah, baby, yeah! Thanks, Jules!
2008-04-16 17:50:43
126.   Mattpat11
Wang has earned a game like this. Where he can be shaky but still (be in line) win
2008-04-16 17:50:49
127.   Zack
So much for that "Buccholz looks SOOOOO much better than Hughes" argument
2008-04-16 17:51:19
128.   ChrisS
Let's pile 'em on ... no Joba, would rather not use Mo, the Wanger isn't really up to par tonight ...
2008-04-16 17:52:28
129.   fansince77
112 Oh please, that's easy to say after a result but Bucholz had us looking stupid by getting ahead in the last two innings. I am glad DJ came through there but there was a time in this game to look soft stuff. You make the adjustments.
2008-04-16 17:52:52
130.   monkeypants
So, it looks like young Buchholz had a Hughesian outing. Will Joy of Sox run along series on his velocity and mechanics? Should he sent down to AAA?
2008-04-16 17:52:58
131.   OldYanksFan
C. Buchholz IP_ H R ER BB K HR Season ERA
C. Buchholz 3.2 8 7 7 - 1 - 2 2 6.75
2008-04-16 17:52:59
132.   Mattpat11
127 Back to the ol uh drawing board for Clay?
2008-04-16 17:53:17
133.   RIYank
Yeah, I'm not super-confident. We could very well need someone mediocre to throw, say, 2 1/3 innings.
2008-04-16 17:53:40
134.   bartap74
Sabathia gives up 9 ER for the second straight outing. Yet another reason I don't want the Yankees signing him.
2008-04-16 17:53:48
135.   fansince77
Now come on Wanger how about pitching with the freaking lead!
2008-04-16 17:55:05
136.   fansince77
Ok Wanger wuddyathink about getting ahead of guys now? Let's give it a try huh?
2008-04-16 17:55:10
137.   RIYank
Now I'm less confident.
2008-04-16 17:55:35
138.   OldYanksFan
129 I have to agree. Buchholz will be a good pitcher, as will be Phil. These are kids and they will have their growing pains. The Sox shouldn't worry about Buchholz and we shouldn't worry about Phil or IPK.
2008-04-16 17:55:40
139.   Mattpat11
129 Very, very few things infuriate me more than a hitter striking out looking because he was sitting soft and got hard.
2008-04-16 17:57:08
140.   Mattpat11
Come on Wang.
2008-04-16 17:57:43
141.   OldYanksFan
Wow... when Fat Papi gets a hit off you, you know you are having an off day.
2008-04-16 17:59:14
142.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
I'm panicking..Manny scares me very very much..
2008-04-16 17:59:24
143.   Mattpat11
Come on Wang. Just get through the fifth
2008-04-16 18:00:00
144.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
OK, get someone in now, can't give up this lead..
2008-04-16 18:00:05
145.   ChrisS
143 not lookin' good
2008-04-16 18:00:21
146.   Zack
Oy, Wanger has let them right back into this
2008-04-16 18:00:38
147.   Mattpat11
Wang is sucking hard tonight.
2008-04-16 18:01:02
148.   monkeypants
139 You should make a ranked list of the things that infuriate you, since it is sometimes hard to keep track of them and in what order. ; )
2008-04-16 18:01:13
149.   SF Yanks
Ugh, what's happening right now? How can Wang be so dominant one day and disastrous the next?
2008-04-16 18:01:19
150.   fansince77
OK goodnight Wang. You were handed this on a platter and you are killing much rope?
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2008-04-16 18:01:34
151.   Zack
THis sucks
2008-04-16 18:01:35
152.   Mattpat11
What is the ball/strike ratio for Wang? It must be awful.
2008-04-16 18:01:42
153.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
3 straight hits! take him out now please!!
2008-04-16 18:02:23
154.   Zack
Wow, the Yanks are totally going to lose this game. Amazing
2008-04-16 18:02:28
155.   Mattpat11
God damnit.
2008-04-16 18:02:29
156.   fansince77
That's it...bye bye mr wang and your getting behind batters with the lead and your walks and your fat-ass pitches. That's a terrible outing. Just terrible.
2008-04-16 18:02:30
157.   ChrisS
Boston is a good hitting team, they just saw him a week ago, and Wang isn't being accurate.

Ugh ... 5 hits in a row.

2008-04-16 18:02:41
158.   SF Yanks
Wow, none of those hits were over the plate though. Gets ya thinkin...
2008-04-16 18:02:48
159.   Mattpat11
153 Five straigjt
2008-04-16 18:03:05
160.   monkeypants
This would be an intriguing spot to bring in Mo or Joba. For different reasons, of course, not gonna happen.
2008-04-16 18:03:20
161.   Mattpat11
I hope the Yankees strategy of building a bullpen around men who put runners on base holds up for five innings.
2008-04-16 18:03:26
162.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
WHY was he left in to face Drew after giving up 4 straight hits???? I do NOT understand that..just giving up runs, it's ridiculous..
2008-04-16 18:03:47
163.   OldYanksFan
Bruney... or Ollie?
2008-04-16 18:03:53
164.   ChrisS
152 less than 50% that's for sure.
2008-04-16 18:04:40
165.   SF Yanks
162 Would you be saying that if he got a double play on him?
2008-04-16 18:04:52
166.   fansince77
158 yeah but remember Wang started the inning after being given a 4 run lead by going 2-0 to Pedroia and then having to lay a fat one in there. You get that first out and this is a different inning.
2008-04-16 18:05:02
167.   Zack
Freaking terrible
2008-04-16 18:05:49
168.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
165 Yes..four straight hits is enough to take someone out, not a quick hook at all..and Drew is a very good hitter. Wang obviously not on his game tonight, seems a clear-cut decision
2008-04-16 18:06:11
169.   ChrisS
Wow, first pitch strikes ... how novel.
2008-04-16 18:06:12
170.   cult of basebaal
wow ... another stellar managing job by joey joe joe
2008-04-16 18:06:31
171.   OldYanksFan
Games like this make me want to cry.
(it's only a game)
(it's only a game)
(it's only a game)
(it's only a game)
2008-04-16 18:07:04
172.   Adrian
Ouch. My Wang.
2008-04-16 18:07:27
173.   fansince77
Note to Yankee pitchers: Don't try to go down and in on the lefties. They like it there.
2008-04-16 18:08:11
174.   Zack
Nice Ohlie,now two more!
2008-04-16 18:08:19
175.   fansince77
Wow- seems like the Red Sox live by different complaining rules than the rest of the league.
2008-04-16 18:08:31
176.   OldYanksFan
We got a break there. Inside.
2008-04-16 18:08:37
177.   quacks25
164 he threw 69 pitches: 37 strikes and 32 balls
2008-04-16 18:09:17
178.   SF Yanks
166 I know, but ESPN did that little thing where they showed each hit back to back, and the placement of each pitch according to the strikezone. All the pitches that were hit were either just outside the strikezone or on one of the corners. It's not like he was lying em right down the pipe.
2008-04-16 18:09:36
179.   Zack
Is it just me or does Ohlie look like a bigger Moose?
2008-04-16 18:10:21
180.   cult of basebaal
165 obviously that's what girardi was looking for ... but christ, every red sox batter in that inning was squaring the ball up ... and wang wasn't getting the ball down ... or hitting his spots ... and it's not like ollie doesn't throw a sinker (and he's actually more likely to get a K than wang)

i can see his logic (including that he didn't want to bring in ollie to a tough bases-loaded situation being a rookie) but in the end, wang didn't have it at any point tonite and hoping that somehow he'd find it at that point seemed a little wishful, imho

anyway, wang's got most of the burden of this game ... blech

2008-04-16 18:10:22
181.   monkeypants
177 Of course, the nine hits all count as strikes no matter where they were thrown, right? So it could have worse.
2008-04-16 18:11:58
182.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
181 Ignorant but how DO balls in play count towards the pitch count??
2008-04-16 18:12:06
183.   RIYank
That's why there was no hurry to remove Wang.
2008-04-16 18:12:09
184.   Zack
Oy, turds
2008-04-16 18:12:12
185.   fansince77
2008-04-16 18:12:15
186.   Mattpat11
2008-04-16 18:12:53
187.   cult of basebaal
179 nope, me too
2008-04-16 18:13:06
188.   Mattpat11
182 Strike.
2008-04-16 18:13:54
189.   Zack
Can't believe we are losing. Inexcusable
2008-04-16 18:14:09
190.   quacks25
182 they count as strikes.
2008-04-16 18:14:56
191.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
188 So if Vlad Guerrero golf-swings one in the dirt it's still a strike..interesting.
This game is going to be a long one, hoping it doesn't end with Papelbon striking out the side..
2008-04-16 18:15:10
192.   monkeypants
Ohlie does seem to have mastered the inherited runners scoring.
2008-04-16 18:16:13
193.   fansince77
2008-04-16 18:17:21
194.   Zack
This is getting
2008-04-16 18:17:24
195.   Adrian
Argh! Argh! Argh! Come on, Ollie.
2008-04-16 18:17:28
196.   Mattpat11
193 Only four, actually.
2008-04-16 18:17:42
197.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
don't think I can take it if Scrappy McGritty clears the bases here...please get the K..
2008-04-16 18:18:35
198.   ChrisS
197 I'll settle for a groundout.
2008-04-16 18:18:41
199.   Zack
PastadivingJeter THis is freaking awful, time to go
2008-04-16 18:18:49
200.   fansince77
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2008-04-16 18:18:52
201.   SF Yanks
This is fuckin ugly... pardon my language.
2008-04-16 18:19:00
202.   Mattpat11
Is it safe to say our bullpen sucks ass?
2008-04-16 18:19:23
203.   Zack
202 My stop at the BP?
2008-04-16 18:19:26
204.   monkeypants
191 Look at it this way, if he golfs at one and misses it's a strike. When you think about it, the strike is defined fundamentally by the action of the hitter (a ball struck at, with the additional condition that called strikes are balls that should have been struck at).

Does anyone know--in the olden days, were called strikes added to speed the game?

2008-04-16 18:19:36
205.   fansince77
Oh good, all we have to do if face Papi and em right where we need 'em.
2008-04-16 18:20:30
206.   SF Yanks
204 Good way to put it.
2008-04-16 18:20:38
207.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
204 makes sense..any other comments on this to distract from the horror on the field this inning??
2008-04-16 18:20:53
208.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, God.

I'm watching the debate, but last I checked, we were up by three.

What in the hell is going on???

2008-04-16 18:21:19
209.   weeping for brunnhilde
What the hell happened to Chien?
2008-04-16 18:21:31
210.   Mattpat11
208 Wang and a "reliever"
2008-04-16 18:21:57
211.   Mattpat11
209 No control whatsoever.
2008-04-16 18:22:25
212.   SF Yanks
So now Wang with 8ER bumping his ERA up to 3.81
2008-04-16 18:23:01
213.   bartap74
A couple of really cute girls right behind the on-deck circle (trying to find something positive).

And, oh yeah, Ohlendorf strikes out the side.

2008-04-16 18:23:21
214.   Mattpat11
Hey look. He struck out the side.
2008-04-16 18:24:01
215.   monkeypants
{207] Sorry, I'm out. But thanks for the question, which let me avoid checking gamecast for a few minutes.

I will point out, though, that I called for Mo to brought in at 7-4 bases loaded OR 7-6 first and second. That was (probably) the high leverage point of the game.

2008-04-16 18:24:03
216.   fansince77
see comment 87 from earlier. I don't think it took long to see where Wang was heading.
2008-04-16 18:24:04
217.   Adrian
Okay, offense. We need you again. 7 runs was not enough.
2008-04-16 18:24:12
218.   SF Yanks
Now that we've given up 9 runs, I could care less if we give up 25, as long as we win. Should I be saying 'they' instead of 'we'? Because I can't help it.
2008-04-16 18:24:37
219.   mehmattski
210 Isn't Ohlendorf exactly the kind of reliever you keep insisting can replace Farnsworth for a fraction of the cost? You should be rooting for him.

Cheer up guys, Julian Tavarez is on the mound. Happy fun hitting times all around.

2008-04-16 18:25:24
220.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Really missing Joba there any way he can be a set-up guy who pitches in say, 80 games, abotu 140innings?? Ohlendorf, Bruney, Hawk, Farns...really can't win with this pen..
2008-04-16 18:25:57
221.   Zack
Is the offense going to go into "try to do too much mode" and strike out a lot now?
2008-04-16 18:26:15
222.   monkeypants
212 Didn't Ohlie kinda do this to Hughes a few games ago?
2008-04-16 18:27:00
223.   monkeypants
220 You mean like Mo in 1996?
2008-04-16 18:28:18
224.   monkeypants
219 Well, he seems to have precisely replaced Farnsworth at half the price!!
2008-04-16 18:29:06
225.   SF Yanks
My brother just walked in and I had to tell him that Wang had given up 8 runs. He responds with, "What?! You're kidding right? I hate baseball. There's no consistency ever." I can't help but feel him on the consistency part.
2008-04-16 18:29:58
226.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
220 exactly, but then keep him in that role until Mo retires.
2008-04-16 18:30:06
227.   bartap74
Ohlendorf's performance in this game wasn't really that bad. He inherited a bad situation against a premium offensive team. All things considered, he did alright.
2008-04-16 18:30:23
228.   OldYanksFan
Now would be a good time for Po to get his groove back....
2008-04-16 18:30:27
229.   Mattpat11
219 You notice I'm not demanding we never see him again.

I don't think there's really anything to Ohlendorf, with his so-so minor league numbers, but I'd much rather watch this for a few weeks than Kyle Farnsworth ever again.

2008-04-16 18:30:54
230.   SF Yanks
Phew! That was a close one.
2008-04-16 18:31:18
231.   quacks25
225 yeah, cause we would all love following sports if it was the same thing every game.
2008-04-16 18:31:30
232.   OldYanksFan
My God! I thought he was out.
JESUS... Matsui runs like a robot. He must be the slowest non-fat guy in baseball.
2008-04-16 18:31:41
233.   mehmattski
223 Mo threw 107 innings in 1996. The last reliever to throw 100 innings with no starts was.... Scott Proctor in 2006. No pure reliever has thrown 120 innings since Duane Ward for the Blue Jays in 1990.
2008-04-16 18:31:54
234.   SF Yanks
I'm calling a pop fly to center.
2008-04-16 18:31:57
235.   Mattpat11
227 Allowing two hits and a walk in one inning and allowing all the inherited runners to score is pretty awful.
2008-04-16 18:32:00
236.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Yayyyy Georgie-Boy!! Flyin the sky all fancy free!!
2008-04-16 18:32:49
237.   3rd gen yankee fan
Posada's got a triple! HAHAHAHAHA!
2008-04-16 18:33:03
238.   SF Yanks
231 Far from what I meant, but Ok.
2008-04-16 18:34:12
239.   OldYanksFan
Giambi has a great eye.
2008-04-16 18:34:39
240.   OldYanksFan
237 Double? Takes third on the throw?
2008-04-16 18:35:05
241.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
This is going to be some race this season with the craptacular pens both teams have..think Toronto can sneak past and take the division?
2008-04-16 18:35:26
242.   51cq24
why does yes keep using that angle from behind the catcher? i hate that.
2008-04-16 18:35:27
243.   OldYanksFan
Why do I have so little faith in Robbie... and when I rub my eyes I see a DP....
2008-04-16 18:35:46
244.   SF Yanks
241 No.
2008-04-16 18:35:57
245.   mehmattski
Left handed batters are now 6 for 11 against Tavarez this season.
2008-04-16 18:36:00
246.   Mattpat11
This game is giving me a headache.
2008-04-16 18:36:01
247.   OldYanksFan
I was only kidding y'all...
2008-04-16 18:36:42
248.   monkeypants
233 I was being facetious, thus responding to the original somewhat humorous post and highlighting how rare such a creature would be.

How about Gossage in 1977 or 1978? Not quite enough appearances or inning, but close enough.

2008-04-16 18:37:04
249.   Mattpat11
241 No.

I think they are going to fight like hell just to finish in third.

2008-04-16 18:37:18
250.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Tavarez must = Sox Fans' Farnsworth..
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2008-04-16 18:37:45
251.   quacks25
243 That was great! If you don't mind, could you continue rubbing your eyes till they look like Betemit's?
2008-04-16 18:37:49
252.   OldYanksFan
The Sox have a big edge in this game, as... well... we have Farnsworth. Ollie 6 & 7, Bruney 8th?
2008-04-16 18:38:01
253.   fansince77
"Every time I try to get out...they pull me back in!"
2008-04-16 18:38:26
254.   mehmattski
248 I was being a stat nerd. Here's the full list, if you're interested:

2008-04-16 18:39:08
255.   SF Yanks
I will scream my face off, if they don't score here. NO DP MELK!
2008-04-16 18:39:14
256.   Eric
Tavarez looks like one of those mutant guys from the Will Smith movie "I am Legend"
2008-04-16 18:39:16
257.   OldYanksFan
I guess Moose will have to go 8 tomorrow?
2008-04-16 18:39:56
258.   3rd gen yankee fan
240 Um, no. Me excited.
2008-04-16 18:40:28
259.   Zack
Wow, melky really got bailed out there! I'll take it!
2008-04-16 18:40:33
260.   Mattpat11
I have no idea what the hell the score is.
2008-04-16 18:40:42
261.   SF Yanks
What the hell just happened? Who cares? I'll take it! Right?
2008-04-16 18:41:12
262.   mehmattski
What a slide by Moeller!

Stop sliding Melky. He needs to watch the Olympics this summer, and see how many sprinters dive across the finish line in the 100 m dash...

2008-04-16 18:41:57
263.   OldYanksFan
Bad news coming....?
Our BUBUBUC was way out of the baseline.
Francona should be arguing that call. That should be a DP
2008-04-16 18:43:02
264.   monkeypants
What magik spell hath been cast on Yankees BUC this season?
2008-04-16 18:43:13
265.   weeping for brunnhilde
Um, and now it's 11-9.

This is not a serious baseball game.

2008-04-16 18:43:20
266.   SF Yanks
Odds of this game finishing 11 to 9? Less than 1 percent.
2008-04-16 18:43:25
267.   OldYanksFan
I can't believe Francona is not arguing. Moeller was 3' from the bag.
2008-04-16 18:43:41
268.   mehmattski
Everyone should refer to 219 and apologize for getting prematurely pissed about the score.
2008-04-16 18:45:24
269.   monkeypants
I also ask again 120 .
2008-04-16 18:45:27
270.   51cq24
267 well i doubt they'd give it to him since moeller barely touched him and he completely threw the ball away. plus he had no chance at a dp.
2008-04-16 18:47:33
271.   OldYanksFan
Hey, I know. Let's walk the first guy up.
2008-04-16 18:48:22
272.   OldYanksFan
C.C. with 27 ERs in 18 IPs.
2008-04-16 18:48:41
273.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
at least he only used 4 pitches, keeping the pitch count down!
2008-04-16 18:48:44
274.   Jeb
Shitty night from Wang - pretty different from last Friday. Whoever loses this game - it just seems worse than losting 6-2. Looks like Ross is gone. Who the hell will relieve Moose tomorrow?

Two things - I'd pitch Farns against Papi who's 0-7 lifetime and I think we have to be ready to pitch Mo 2 innings.

When is Joba coming back?

2008-04-16 18:49:17
275.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
272, can we not sign him for 100mil please??
2008-04-16 18:49:19
276.   fansince77
Lead off walk. And on four pitches. Anyone doubt this will be at least tied by the end of this inning?
2008-04-16 18:49:49
277.   cult of basebaal
well ... guess latroy gets his chance to earn his 22 tonite
2008-04-16 18:50:07
278.   Chyll Will
271 Young pitcher vs. Yankee Eater, yeah I'd walk him right out the park if I could...
2008-04-16 18:50:37
279.   monkeypants
gamecast showed 3/4 balls to man-ram were strikes? what did it look like live?
2008-04-16 18:50:39
280.   mehmattski
How dare he! Jimmy Key used to wear #22! BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
2008-04-16 18:51:03
281.   Jeb
269 Hey Monkey -- who is this announcer who calls himself Joe Morgan who referred to "sample size" earlier when discussing Papi's troubles?
2008-04-16 18:51:31
282.   Chyll Will
276 I'm a-doubtin'...
2008-04-16 18:52:14
283.   mehmattski
Also, Michael Kay was completely ignorant of the fact that Hawkins wore #21 as a tribute to Roberto Clemente.
2008-04-16 18:52:58
284.   monkeypants
281 huh?? hey, i'm just following on gamecast, man. did I miss something?
2008-04-16 18:53:40
285.   OldYanksFan
Is Alby in the BP ?
2008-04-16 18:54:09
286.   Shaun P
280 If I didn't hate the sight of a Yankee replica jersey that (inexplicably) includes the name, I'd buy a "Hawkins 21" jersey. Because f them, that's why. That dude did nothing wrong and I think ought to still be wearing # 21.

If I set the TiVo to record the rest of this game, how long should I have it go past 10 PM? Hour and a half? 3 hours? 4 hours?

2008-04-16 18:55:25
287.   Jeb
284 yeah, Morgan made a comment like that 2 innings (2 hours?) ago. Something like, and I'm paraphrasing, Well it's hard to judge Papi right now because of the sample ... number of at bats. He actually almost said "sample size" and then choken on his tongue.
2008-04-16 18:55:29
288.   joejoejoe
What the... Who's that guy wearing Wayne Tolleson's number at short? BOOOOO!!!!!
2008-04-16 18:55:35
289.   51cq24
that was a pretty nice change
2008-04-16 18:55:50
290.   Mattpat11
280 You forget Roger.
2008-04-16 18:56:06
291.   Jeb
286 I hate apocraphyal jerseys
2008-04-16 18:58:11
292.   Jeb
288 Isn't it also Paul Blair's and Bobby Murcer's?
2008-04-16 18:58:33
293.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
290 gladly..
2008-04-16 18:58:36
294.   mehmattski
290 Not to mention Homer Bush, Tony Tarasco, Jon Leiber, and Allie Reynolds. Hawkins is crapping on all of their memories.
2008-04-16 18:59:18
295.   monkeypants
287 He must have read the term on some of those chat questions he get gets. Not the ones about Dave Concepcion or veteran leadership, but the ones they don't choose to answer.
2008-04-16 18:59:38
296.   OldYanksFan
Any chance of rain tomorrow? This could be one of those games where a pitcher ends up playing the field.
2008-04-16 18:59:47
297.   Jeb
FUCK. If Hawkins can stop this rally, he can wear #3 as far as I'm concerned.
2008-04-16 18:59:48
298.   Jeb
FUCK. If Hawkins can stop this rally, he can wear #3 as far as I'm concerned.
2008-04-16 19:00:08
299.   Mattpat11
294 And Cano. He's pissing on the memory of the guy 30 feet behind him.
2008-04-16 19:00:17
300.   Jeb
sorry about the dreaded "Jimmy two times" post. I gotta go get the papers, get the papers.
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2008-04-16 19:00:23
301.   Chyll Will
286 I'm still going for the Rodriguez with "HA" instead of 13...

291 Stay away from Bayonne, then >;)

2008-04-16 19:01:23
302.   51cq24
nice pitch
2008-04-16 19:02:20
303.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
300 Hey, didn't I tell you to go #$%& your mother?? Bang, Boom!
2008-04-16 19:03:09
304.   Jeb
301 291 the names on the jerseys aren't nearly as bad as those FUBU jerseys that absolutely never existed.
2008-04-16 19:04:29
305.   51cq24
good pitching there by clemente
2008-04-16 19:05:10
306.   joejoejoe
292 Paul Blair was the first player I ever knew who was a defensive substitute. I couldn't comprehend how superhumanly good Blair must be to be replacing Mickey Rivers, one of my favorite players, who I thought was already great defensively. I was eight. And yes Blair was also #2. Murcer wore #1 more than #2 (I think) but he also wore the #2. And somewhere Mike Gallego is saying "What about me?".
2008-04-16 19:05:12
307.   cult of basebaal
wait! why are we cheering hawkins?!?!?!?

everyone knows he's worse than hitler ... AND carl pavano ...

2008-04-16 19:05:16
308.   Chyll Will
297 ,298 Babe Hawkins!
2008-04-16 19:08:22
309.   Chyll Will
307 Great, now he's on the 60-day DL with hurt feelings...
2008-04-16 19:10:43
310.   OldYanksFan
One thing I love about NESN is that Don and Jerry try not to laugh at Manny's antics... but they can't help themselves.
2008-04-16 19:10:56
311.   51cq24
yes is so awful. did they just remember today that they have a camera behind home plate?
2008-04-16 19:12:09
312.   Chyll Will
Well, I didn't see that coming...
2008-04-16 19:12:12
313.   51cq24
hmm i dont know about that one
2008-04-16 19:13:03
314.   OldYanksFan
I believe Bobby wore #1 for most of his Yankee career.
2008-04-16 19:14:28
315.   51cq24
311 this is really pissing me off. the advantage of watching a game on tv rather than going to it is that you can see the pitches clearly. there is no reason to ever show a pitch live from any camera other than the one in centerfield.
2008-04-16 19:14:37
316.   weeping for brunnhilde
So is this just a slugfest, or is it a slopfest, too?
2008-04-16 19:15:06
317.   Jeb
310 Isn't everyone watching this game on ESPN2?
2008-04-16 19:15:39
318.   Jeb
314 he did.
2008-04-16 19:15:51
319.   skybluestoday
Just tuned in. Longtime Red Sox fan (grew up in suburban Boston in the 70s and 80s), now a transplanted Dodgers fan, but I really enjoy the commentary here at Bronx Banter. It's helping to turn me into more of a Yankees fan (not so heretical now that I am an Angeleno).

This looks like a wild one, huh? Seesaw game with lots of scoring. Has anyone pitched well?

2008-04-16 19:17:27
320.   Chyll Will
316 I don't know, I just came in and (good news for everyone) I'm going back out. Gnite.
2008-04-16 19:18:06
321.   51cq24
317 blacked out here in ny
2008-04-16 19:18:09
322.   Mattpat11
319 Hawkins to this point

(knock on wood)

2008-04-16 19:19:13
323.   51cq24
319 hawkins has looked decent so far, and aardsma put a 94 mph fastball right between arod's numbers.
2008-04-16 19:20:11
324.   OldYanksFan
317 Not if you live in Red Sox Nation.
2008-04-16 19:20:21
325.   monkeypants
317 not in Peoples Glorious Revolutionary Republic of Quebec, we're not.
2008-04-16 19:20:35
326.   bartap74
I wish we could roster Pavano just to come in and retaliate for HBP. If he gets ejected, so much the better. If not, remove him.
2008-04-16 19:20:57
327.   Mattpat11
I never thought I'd be a Latroy Hawkins fan, but Yankee fans made me do it. I'm happy for him.
2008-04-16 19:21:02
328.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hawkins now has his 22, I see.
2008-04-16 19:21:14
329.   Jeb
321 did not know that. It's a damn sellout ....why black it out? MLB, ESPN (and fox for that matter) are so stupid.
2008-04-16 19:21:25
330.   Mattpat11
326 he'd miss, give up a homer, and chip a nail.
2008-04-16 19:22:57
331.   Jeb
325 and you made fun of me for living in the south. tisk tisk.
2008-04-16 19:23:33
332.   51cq24
329 because we have it on yes, which is showing every 4th pitch or so from the camera behind home plate, so that you have no idea what happened for a few seconds
2008-04-16 19:24:09
333.   monkeypants
331 and I kid you not, there is still some snow in the yard.
2008-04-16 19:28:20
334.   Jeb
333 Well it was only 75 tonight and, unfortunately, I drove home with the top down on my car with Sterling calling Arod's dinger.
2008-04-16 19:28:28
335.   51cq24
333 but at least your père and grand-père are clearly distinguished
2008-04-16 19:28:41
336.   Jeb
today rather
2008-04-16 19:28:43
337.   Chyll Will
319 Huh. That's an interesting journey. Welcome aboard. I won't poke too much fun of you until I know you're all settled in and cozy. No allowance, but you can jinx people for root beers if you catch two consecutive posts that say primarily the same thing...
2008-04-16 19:29:22
338.   Jeb chad moeller wearing the sacred Aaron Boone number? And Posada's wearing Bucky Dent's number!
2008-04-16 19:29:52
339.   bartap74
It used to be that none of our back-up catchers could hit. Now it seems, they ALL can.
2008-04-16 19:30:01
340.   Jeb
335 LOL.. so are mine.. One's in one grave and the other's in another.
2008-04-16 19:30:49
341.   51cq24
2008-04-16 19:31:02
342.   weeping for brunnhilde
Beautiful hit, Melky!

He was safe!

2008-04-16 19:31:05
343.   mehmattski
Melky was quite safe. But the ump was on the wrong side of the play to make the correct call.
2008-04-16 19:31:18
344.   Zack
Ugh, so now the Sox have been called safe and us out whereas they should have been reversed
2008-04-16 19:32:19
345.   51cq24
344 when were the sox incorrectly called safe? i was watching the joke of a debate for a while.
2008-04-16 19:33:14
346.   monkeypants
Good Melky...Bad Melky.
.or smart baserunning, a la MacCarver?
2008-04-16 19:33:20
347.   Chyll Will
Was Melky trying out for the swim team in the Beijing Olympics? Nice theatrics ump, but you blew your line, you were supposed to say "safe!"
2008-04-16 19:33:38
348.   51cq24
what's leiter talking about? it was a good slide- the throw beat him and he got in safe.
2008-04-16 19:33:58
349.   Mattpat11
345 What do ol Barry and Hills have to say?
2008-04-16 19:34:20
350.   OldYanksFan
I'm too tired to care, but wasn't that dumb of Melky?
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2008-04-16 19:35:33
351.   Chyll Will
350 Only because the ump called him out when he was actually safe.
2008-04-16 19:35:53
352.   monkeypants
Cripes...Papi and Giambi seem to locked in some sort of infield shifted, bizarre death match of slumpitude.
2008-04-16 19:36:34
353.   weeping for brunnhilde
351 I thought you were leaving?
2008-04-16 19:37:35
354.   weeping for brunnhilde
352 Heh heh heh heh. INdeed.
2008-04-16 19:37:50
355.   Mattpat11
352 Ortiz went 1 for 5 and his BA went up.
2008-04-16 19:39:01
356.   weeping for brunnhilde
Manny's a ridiculously good hitter.

He's just insane.

2008-04-16 19:39:05
357.   Mattpat11
Manny is frightening.
2008-04-16 19:39:39
358.   51cq24
349 same old
2008-04-16 19:39:44
359.   weeping for brunnhilde
You can't get this guy out.

He's on everything.

2008-04-16 19:40:16
360.   monkeypants
That's Man-Ram to you, Mattpat.
2008-04-16 19:40:47
361.   51cq24
i like that pitch
2008-04-16 19:41:06
362.   Chyll Will
319 somehow changed my mind... Are you suggesting ...? >;)
2008-04-16 19:41:18
363.   Mattpat11
358 With those two, "same old" can cover any number of things. On NAFTA alone.
2008-04-16 19:43:00
364.   weeping for brunnhilde
362 I suggest nothing.

Why don't you suggest something?

In fact, you do suggest something: to me you suggest a baboon.

2008-04-16 19:43:15
365.   SF Yanks
Dare I say...Bruney looks sharp? Maybe I should wait until after this batter...
2008-04-16 19:43:33
366.   Chyll Will
LASIK, Mr. McClelland...
2008-04-16 19:44:46
367.   Chyll Will
364 ?
2008-04-16 19:45:46
368.   51cq24
363 it's a politician thing.

366 looked clearly outside to me.

nice pitching by hawkins and bruney.

2008-04-16 19:47:51
369.   monkeypants
Hmmm...Mo pitched two nights in arow. Two run lead; Bruney has gone 2/3 INN and got through the middle hitters. What do you do in the ninth, assuming no more scoring?

A] Mo
B] Bruney
C] Farnswhacker

2008-04-16 19:48:41
370.   OldYanksFan
Bruney until a man gets on base. Then Mo.
2008-04-16 19:48:48
371.   Mattpat11
369 No Farnsworth.
2008-04-16 19:48:57
372.   SF Yanks
369 Either A or B, no C. How about Alby?
2008-04-16 19:49:26
373.   bartap74
I'm thinking Bruney with Rivera in the pen in case things get scary.
2008-04-16 19:50:08
374.   Emma Span
Did they just replace Youklis at third with a bat boy?
2008-04-16 19:51:53
375.   cult of basebaal
369 uh, looks like A
2008-04-16 19:52:27
376.   bartap74
I heart Mike Timlin.
2008-04-16 19:52:40
377.   OldYanksFan
373 That would be one from column A and one from column B.
2008-04-16 19:53:52
378.   Mattpat11
372 I'd really rather not fool around in the ninth inning. Three run homers can happen relatively quickly.
2008-04-16 19:54:30
379.   Jeb
Joe Morgan just asked "what do the arches in Yankee stadium mean? ... they tell me that the ring went around the ballpark at one time."

SIGH. He played in the fucking world series in Yankee Stadium in 1976. He's been an announcer for years and has called many games there. Isn't it his business to know that it's called the frieze (or at least the facade)?

2008-04-16 19:55:20
380.   weeping for brunnhilde
367 :)

It's a Groucho joke.

Don't remember which film, but it was hilarious.

I'm just in a goofy mood.

2008-04-16 19:55:34
381.   Chyll Will
364 (I'll assume that was from an episode of a TV show I missed >;)
2008-04-16 19:57:08
382.   monkeypants
We can only hope Giambi gets to face Timlin...
2008-04-16 19:57:28
383.   Chyll Will
380 Ha! Duck Soup, should'a known >;)
2008-04-16 19:58:22
384.   weeping for brunnhilde
Alex was off balance there too, wasn't he?

Man, he's strong.

2008-04-16 19:59:09
385.   weeping for brunnhilde
383 :)

Was it actually Duck Soup? (I can never tell them all apart.)


2008-04-16 19:59:17
386.   monkeypants
OK push a couple across and save Mo.
2008-04-16 19:59:20
387.   OldYanksFan
384 Toward the end of the bat or it's gone.
2008-04-16 19:59:26
388.   bartap74
Has there ever been a less appropriate phrase than "Giving chase is Manny Ramirez..."

I guess it rolls off the tongue easier than "Jogging lethargically in the general direction of the ball is Manny Ramirez"

2008-04-16 19:59:39
389.   51cq24
it's really absurd for 7pm games to interfere with seinfeld reruns
2008-04-16 19:59:55
390.   Chyll Will
Manny predicted that ground rule double... probably better for him he didn't hustle after that or we're talking triple (sigh)
2008-04-16 20:00:29
391.   weeping for brunnhilde
A hit, a hit, a palpable hit!!
2008-04-16 20:00:39
392.   OldYanksFan
A baseknock here and we can let Bruney finish the game. Oops... there it is!
2008-04-16 20:00:44
393.   Mattpat11
Farnsworth Proof?
2008-04-16 20:01:27
394.   51cq24
oof. he should be walking giambi
2008-04-16 20:01:30
395.   bartap74
393 Oxymoron
2008-04-16 20:01:45
396.   OldYanksFan
Oh.... that would have been nice.
2008-04-16 20:01:59
397.   Chyll Will
Have a seat, Mo, you deserve a break once in a while >;)

Dammit Giambi!

2008-04-16 20:02:25
398.   monkeypants
OK, people made fun of me the other day when I suggested that Girardi would PR for the trail he's doing it again.
2008-04-16 20:02:51
399.   quacks25
393 NOTHING is ever Farnsworth proof!
2008-04-16 20:03:09
400.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Jason!!

Did you see that?

I don't believe what I just saw.

Hey, Cliff, there it is, he did go the other way!!!!

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2008-04-16 20:03:19
401.   Chyll Will
393 Now... (I hope) >;)
2008-04-16 20:03:35
402.   OldYanksFan
Was Mo up? Can Bruney still finish the game? Our BP is spent. Would be nice to save Mo IF he's needed tomorrow. Hey! Half way to Farnsproof!
2008-04-16 20:03:38
403.   bartap74
I swear Manny waited a couple of seconds to give the fan a chance to pick up that ball.
2008-04-16 20:04:30
404.   weeping for brunnhilde
"Well, it would be nice to think that he tried to do that, but that was an excuse-me jam shot."--Leiter
2008-04-16 20:04:49
405.   Mattpat11
401 Possibly.
2008-04-16 20:05:58
406.   Chyll Will
I was all ready for Mickey Moeller, too...
2008-04-16 20:06:32
407.   monkeypants
402 I guess it depends on whether Bruney can go again tomorrow. if so, i say save him and put in the Whacker or the new guy. If Bruney is unavailable tomorrw, you might as well ride him to the finish.
2008-04-16 20:07:41
408.   Chyll Will
405 That's about as close to glass-half-full as we can ever expect, huh? >;)
2008-04-16 20:07:54
409.   51cq24
404 i agree

407 i agree

2008-04-16 20:08:47
410.   Chyll Will
This is yummy now >;)
2008-04-16 20:08:52
411.   williamnyy23
398 I don't think he was pinch running for the trail runner (Matsui). I am sure Damon was going to play defense anyway, so having him run was a bonus.
2008-04-16 20:10:24
412.   monkeypants
411 Yeah sure, but you do lose his bat. I just thought it was a curious move given the score. Not bad, mind you.
2008-04-16 20:10:36
413.   Mattpat11
You've got a fucking six run lead Brian.
2008-04-16 20:12:13
414.   51cq24
412 but given the score and the situation, why does losing his bat matter?
2008-04-16 20:13:50
415.   Chyll Will
413 I'm starting to agree with you, but only because it's the last inning and this should've been over already...
2008-04-16 20:14:28
416.   Mattpat11
Jacoby is the only player in the game with a plate appearance and no hit.
2008-04-16 20:15:31
417.   monkeypants
414 It doesn't really, but neither does it add much to put in the PR, or make the defensive switch for that matter. I am not complaining, I just thought it was a curious little move all the way around given the score.

Look at it this way--if he wanted to pile on, he could have PH for Moeller and moved Poada to C; given the core and itiuation, hi inability to throw would be immaterial, especially of the PH drove in additional runs.

I'm just playing with different tactics.

2008-04-16 20:16:07
418.   williamnyy23
One thing I like about Girardi so far is he doesn't seem locked into the one reliever per inning formula. If he can 2 or 3 innings from an effective reliever, he'll go with him. I've always thought riding a hot hand made more sense than cycling through the bullpen in games like this.
2008-04-16 20:17:29
419.   monkeypants
Phew. That was about one batter away from making me swear a whole lot.
2008-04-16 20:17:50
420.   OldYanksFan
2008-04-16 20:18:07
421.   Chyll Will
If he threw that penultimate pitch a little higher, that would've made a nice whiff. Man, only I came in during the sixth and it feels like I watched a double-header >;)
2008-04-16 20:18:59
422.   monkeypants
418 I agree. He did do the LOOGY thing with Traber, but otherwise he stuck with all the pitchers, including Wang and Ohlie. Maybe he stuck too long, but this was certainly a different BP pattern that Torre used to use. It will be interesting to see how this plays out a the year goes on.
2008-04-16 20:19:29
423.   williamnyy23
It's kind of sad to see Moeller give an interview and know his time on the club is winding down.
2008-04-16 20:20:17
424.   Chyll Will
Looks like a few people owe Babe Hawkins an apology...
2008-04-16 20:22:51
425.   williamnyy23
424 If Hawkins pitches with a bit of a chip on his shoulder, it wouldn't be the worst thing.

I would have liked to see the reception he got when he entered the game, but the Kat, et al. didn't comment on it.

2008-04-16 20:24:08
426.   williamnyy23
425 the Kat was supposed to be Kay. Not sure what malfunctioned there.
2008-04-16 20:26:59
427.   Chyll Will
426 The man said he gets no respect... >;)
2008-04-16 20:27:11
428.   51cq24
424 i'm sure the people who were booing him are precisely the apology types
2008-04-16 20:29:19
429.   Mattpat11
How often does a team score 15 runs but only actually score in four innings?
2008-04-16 20:30:00
430.   Chyll Will
428 No, they're total choads, that's right.
2008-04-16 20:39:15
431.   Zack
Well, nice win!
2008-04-16 20:44:25
432.   Adrian
217 Thanks, Yankees. Way to step up to the challenge.
2008-04-16 20:54:58
433.   Emma Span
Ha... LaTroy Hawkins has a yellow "RETIRE 21" sticker posted right above his locker nameplate.

Nice to see he has a sense of humor about all this.

2008-04-16 20:55:59
434.   Zack
433 Awesome. How can you boo such a guy?
2008-04-16 22:06:27
435.   tommyl
Just got in from the game. Man, that was a long one. In the second inning my friend predicted it would be 15-10, not too far off.

I second the observation about Girardi and the BP. Amazing that in a game we won, that was often close and that had the starter pulled in the 5th inning we only used 4 relievers, and one of those for one pitch and none of them were Mo. Impressive BP management.

Lastly, wow on that A-Rod homer. Abreu's we were rooting for, A-Rod's we just admired off the bat. Man he's unreal.

2008-04-16 22:10:03
436.   tommyl
433 Seriously? He might have just become one of my favorite Yankees for that alone. That's hilarious.

Oh, last observation, a lot of fights at the stadium tonight. One, below us down the 3rd base line that I never caught what was going on, but an army of police and security personnel were running all over.

Worst part, when a "fan" and his friends moved down next to us in the 8th inning. The entire time he was there, he never once looked at the field, just kept taking pictures of his friends giving people the finger and talking. He was still talking when Bruney had 2 strikes on Manny. I'm sitting there seething, thinking, "You know, there are a lot of people that wish they could see this in person, and you aren't even watching the game." I'm sure he and his pals were some of the people chanting for Paul O'Neill the other night. Class acts, all the way.

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