Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
The Kansas City Royals, redux
2007-08-03 14:30
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to

It was only a week ago that the Yankees took three of four from the Royals in Kansas City, so there's not much to add here. Since then, the Royals swept the Rangers in K.C. by a combined score of 22-6 with Rutgers grad David DeJesus leading the attack. They then scored just nine runs while dropping two of three to the Twins in Minnesota where the fourth game of their series was cancelled out of respect for those killed in the recent bridge collapse. The Royals lone win of that series took ten innings and all three games were decided by two runs.

The Royals made one significant deadline deal, flipping Octavio Dotel to Atlanta for starter Kyle Davies, who will pitch tomorrow. Davies is a curious return for Dotel seeing as he's been consistently terrible in the major leagues and hadn't pitched since failing to get an out in his start against the Reds on July 16. Still, he won't be 24 until next month and Royals' GM Dayton Moore came from the Braves system, so perhaps he has reason to value Davies so highly. That or he's judging the pitcher on what he did in the low minors three years ago.

At any rate, Dotel's departure reinstates Joakim Soria as the closer. Davies and Leo Nuñez replace the released Scott Elarton and disabled Jorge De La Rosa (elbow) in the rotation (the Yanks will miss Nuñez in this series), and Joey Gathright replaces the once again disabled Reggie Sanders (hamstring) on the bench.

For those who have forgotten, the Yankees took the first three games last week's series in K.C. by a combined 25-7 score, but the third game was just 3-1 after seven innings and saw the Yankees go hitless with runners in scoring position even after dropping an additional four-spot on tiring starter Gil Meche and reliever Jimmy Gobble. The Yanks were then shutout by De La Rosa, Zack Greinke, and Soria in the finale as Kei Igawa and Sean Henn combined to allow seven runs.

Comments (306)
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2007-08-03 15:28:47
1.   RIYank
Let's see the KC bullpen early this evening and give Wang some breathing room. A blow-out win today to set the stage for a Huge game tomorrow.

(But I'll take any W we can get.)

2007-08-03 16:08:17
2.   tommyl
Oh dear lord, Mink the Stink has been cleared for all baseball activities. I can't wait till he "contribute" again.

If Joe calls him up, and plays him, he should be fired on the spot.

2007-08-03 16:19:05
3.   3rd gen yankee fan
2007-08-03 16:21:53
4.   BklynBmr
I hope Singleton can make the HR call tonight...
2007-08-03 16:22:28
5.   OldYanksFan
Luckt hits come in all shapes and sizes. Actually I'd like to see some more linedrives from Melky. I wonder what his BABIP is. It seems a lot of his grounders are getting through.

I know we are all frustrated with Torre, but I wish we could out the phrase "...he should be fired on the spot" on ice.

2007-08-03 16:23:22
6.   OldYanksFan
Hey Look... JT has posted some good lineups the last few days.... (just trying to be positive).
2007-08-03 16:23:58
7.   BklynBmr
Man, Tony's kid is a pest...
2007-08-03 16:24:18
8.   OldYanksFan
He is anxious. That was not a hitters pitch.
2007-08-03 16:26:29
9.   DadinIowa
Does anyone have the magic url for the game tonight on I am blacked out... grrrr. If you do, my email is Thanks.
2007-08-03 16:27:55
10.   Eirias
I cannot imagine how bad it must be to be a Royals fan. Having David Glass as your owner? That is even worse than having Angelos own your team.
2007-08-03 16:30:03
11.   OldYanksFan
JT says: "I still believe Kyle Farnsworth is going to be a contributor to this"

Could Joe be any more obtuse?
Does anyone believe this is praise?

As crappy as Farns is, because he has good stuff and had a very good year recently, he still has some market value. Torre is not going to say anything to devalue him.

2007-08-03 16:34:38
12.   Chyll Will
11 "Could Joe be any more obtuse?"

Wow, four comments and it goes awry. Is that a record? >;)

2007-08-03 16:35:43
13.   Chyll Will
12 Well, five. Not so much a record >;)
2007-08-03 16:41:10
14.   Yankees Brasil
2007-08-03 16:43:12
15.   Yankees Brasil
good job Andy, nice and easy up the middle..
2007-08-03 16:43:29
16.   Vandelay Industries
So, this is the guy who is now babbling incoherently? I doubt it, and I doubt that article was anything more than sensationalism.

2007-08-03 16:56:23
17.   RIYank
That's such a Wang run. Three grounders. Damn.
2007-08-03 16:58:54
18.   Yankees Brasil
17Cano should´ve made that play with none on
2007-08-03 16:59:10
19.   RIYank
Hm, the Toaster is not in good shape tonight. I'll check back in later.
2007-08-03 17:02:53
20.   RIYank
18 Oh, right. True. Good point. Stupid Torre.
2007-08-03 17:08:02
21.   RIYank
Yeah, baby, just double!
2007-08-03 17:09:11
22.   OldYanksFan
ARod is becoming a popular player.
2007-08-03 17:11:32
23.   Hocakes
That thing before the commercial was cool.
2007-08-03 17:11:39
24.   Chyll Will
Nice, the CD skipped >;)
2007-08-03 17:12:15
25.   RIYank
Here's hoping he gets addicted to the roar of the Stadium crowd.
2007-08-03 17:12:56
26.   Chyll Will
21 just douit!
2007-08-03 17:13:59
27.   RIYank
Those White Sox can hit, huh? 6 runs through four innings.
2007-08-03 17:14:37
28.   RIYank
26 No dou-bt! Or doub-t.
2007-08-03 17:17:34
29.   RIYank
Good, Wang needed a nice short inning.
2007-08-03 17:18:27
30.   tommyl
I love the worms they are taping up. Hilarious.
2007-08-03 17:19:16
31.   Chyll Will
28 Do'u!!
2007-08-03 17:21:12
32.   RIYank
Looks like maybe they have the timing down.

Too hot for bantering tonight, I guess. I'll go pour another bourbon and soda.

2007-08-03 17:23:00
33.   Hocakes
I get the idea that Odalis Perez doesn't really give a shit. Maybe that's unfair.
2007-08-03 17:23:05
34.   DougP
Nice bunt by AP there. Now let's drive in those runs.
2007-08-03 17:23:08
35.   Chyll Will
Wow, Shelly runs like he's running from a bull (or it's running from him...)
2007-08-03 17:23:29
36.   tommyl
23 What thing? what did I miss?
2007-08-03 17:23:33
37.   Vandelay Industries
Tell me again why we're bunting in the fourth inning?
2007-08-03 17:25:44
38.   Vandelay Industries
Oh, that's why:)
2007-08-03 17:26:02
39.   tommyl
37 Formula: Andy bunts, Molina SF. Duh. Didn't you get your formula card before tonights game?
2007-08-03 17:26:12
40.   RIYank
37 I can't decide whether the bunt makes more sense when your worst hitter is up next, or less sense. I guess if he's not a strike-out hitter maybe it makes more sense.
2007-08-03 17:26:13
41.   Chyll Will
Technical issues all around. I hate this heat...
2007-08-03 17:26:37
42.   Mattpat11
Its really a indictment of Wil Nieves when I could never expect him to even do that much
2007-08-03 17:27:02
43.   ChrisS
37 So Molina can have a productive out.
2007-08-03 17:27:27
44.   RIYank
Seriously, I think the bunt is not so bad. Though now it's not looking so good, huh?
2007-08-03 17:28:04
45.   Chyll Will
36 See 24
2007-08-03 17:28:55
46.   RIYank
42 Hey, an upgrade is an upgrade.
2007-08-03 17:28:58
47.   Mattpat11
I have no problem with that bunt. It gives Molina a chance to do what he did rather than just fly out.
2007-08-03 17:28:59
48.   ChrisS
Not for nothing but Robbie Cano is now up to .306, all the kid does is rake after the AS break.
2007-08-03 17:29:32
49.   Vandelay Industries

Well, with Santana on the mound in Minn., we certainly should pick up a game tonight if we can scratch out a win. Maybe I like the bunt more in that situation. I know Sabathia is going as well, but well, he's not Johan Santana.

2007-08-03 17:29:40
50.   DougP
I'm okay with the bunt. With Wang on the mound and against the Royals, you don't expect them to score many runs. So let's get the lead now and then we can add to it later.
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2007-08-03 17:29:46
51.   tommyl
45 I don't understand, what do you mean?
2007-08-03 17:30:05
52.   Mattpat11
46 I wasn't even mocking Molina. I'm glad we got him. I'm just saying that Nieves was so horrid that you couldn't even hope for a sac fly half the time.
2007-08-03 17:30:23
53.   Vandelay Industries

He's just like Pedro. Hates the cold.

2007-08-03 17:30:36
54.   tommyl
Man I can't wait till Mientkwicz or whatever comes back. Then our offense will really be in gear!
2007-08-03 17:31:21
55.   tommyl
52 I think Nieves can be summed up well by his first hit. Took him 20 or so ABs, and as soon as he gets it he gets thrown out anyways.
2007-08-03 17:31:43
56.   Vandelay Industries
Mientkwicz cannot be sent down without permission right? Joe has some decisions to make, that is for sure.
2007-08-03 17:32:01
57.   Vandelay Industries
Mientkwicz cannot be sent down without permission right? Joe has some decisions to make, that is for sure.
2007-08-03 17:33:53
58.   nyyfan22
9 DadinIowa - check your email.
2007-08-03 17:34:08
59.   Mattpat11
57 They don't have to activate him though, do they?
2007-08-03 17:34:50
60.   tommyl
59 They can also DFA him. I'd put him on waivers, I'm sure some team can offer a prospect for him.
2007-08-03 17:34:53
61.   DougP
No way does Dougie M get sent down. In all likelihood, he gets his 1B job back, Phillips replaces Cairo as the BUIF, and Giambi replaces Duncan as the power bat.

All of those moves are, of course, the wrong moves and reminds me of last year, when Sheff and Matsui got their spots back at Melky's expense.

2007-08-03 17:35:19
62.   Chyll Will
51 When the inning closed and the YES music was playing, the music started skipping like a scratched CD. Then the screen went black for five seconds and cut to a commercial already in progress.
2007-08-03 17:35:38
63.   tommyl
59 Have to? no? But his BFOG+ is almost as high as Cairo's. You really think Joe will leave a shiny old veteran just sitting there? They are his favorite toys.
2007-08-03 17:36:09
64.   tommyl
61 And Betemit?
2007-08-03 17:36:41
65.   RIYank
60 But if someone wants him, won't they just claim him off the wire?
2007-08-03 17:36:53
66.   OldYanksFan
41 Will... you live in the South? Tell us about the weather. Humid?
2007-08-03 17:37:09
67.   Mattpat11
61 Its so much worse than last year. At least the rationale last year was that we were making room for some really good players.

Here, we'd needlessly be making room for Mink the Stink.

2007-08-03 17:37:25
68.   tommyl
It occurs to me that Minky will be a good test for Cashman/FO vs. Joe. It should be clear that the right thing to do is release or trade him, but Joe won't want to do that. The decision is really up to Cash. I'm bolstered by the fact that they did trade Proctor, which I'm sure Joe was against.
2007-08-03 17:37:52
69.   Chyll Will
2007-08-03 17:38:53
70.   tommyl
65 If a player is claimed, the team can choose to:

1. Trade him to said team (all traded players must also pass through waivers, or be PTBNL)

2. Just dump him on the new team and get out of the contract.

3. Pull him back.

Either of 1 or 2 are fine for me. You could trade him for some B-level position prospect.

2007-08-03 17:38:57
71.   RIYank
Is Wang trying to be too careful, or has he lost some control?
2007-08-03 17:39:03
72.   Mattpat11
63 I'd rather see Cairo out there than The Stink.

Mientkiewicz just rubs me the wrong way. He seems to think, for Christ knows why, that he's good.

2007-08-03 17:39:10
73.   DougP
64 They'll keep Betemit (which is the right move). They didn't just trade Proctor for a guy they've wanted for a year only to DFA him.
2007-08-03 17:39:44
74.   tommyl
73 Well why keep Andy as the UIF if you already have Betemit?
2007-08-03 17:39:49
75.   RIYank
70 Right. If (2), is there compensation?
2007-08-03 17:39:55
76.   Chyll Will
66 Me? The South?? Hahahahahaaa!!!
2007-08-03 17:40:19
77.   tommyl
75 They take on the remaining part of his contract.
2007-08-03 17:40:44
78.   Mattpat11
68 Brian Cashman signed Stinkapalooza for some unknown reason. I see no reason not to put him firmly on the Torre side of the fence on this issue.
2007-08-03 17:41:33
79.   DougP
74 As between Andy and Cairo, I'd keep Andy. They don't have to have two BUIF, but Betemit hasn't played 1B so that can be Andy's role. I'm assuming Giambi is going to play 1B no more than once a week, if that.
2007-08-03 17:42:01
80.   Vandelay Industries

I hear you bro. I don't understand why they don't just dump Myers or Villone, or Farnsworth, and waive Mientkwicz and activate Giambi. It seems pretty simple to me. That way you dump a pitcher you have no use for, and fortify the lineup and bench. I'm not sure that Giambi will be any better than Duncan, at least not down the stretch.

2007-08-03 17:43:14
81.   RIYank
77 So that's just outright worse than trading.
Even so, I agree it would be fine. Get out of the contract, and after all you wouldn't expect to get much of anything for him.
2007-08-03 17:44:01
82.   tommyl
78 Because I think Cashman has learned and adjusted this year. We all complained at the beginning of the year that a major weakness was the team's bench. So what has he done? He's upgraded it significantly. I think he can see that Andy is both a better defensive and offensive 1B. Cash is not wedded to vets like Joe is.
2007-08-03 17:44:30
83.   RIYank
Jeter almost reached on HBP, then almost reached on E.

I guess it'll have to be a solo...

2007-08-03 17:44:36
84.   DougP
80 I'm all for dumping Myers and carrying one fewer pitcher; I just don't think that's what's gonna happen.
2007-08-03 17:45:20
85.   Vandelay Industries
82 I am loathed to say this, but Phillips will never be a better defensive 1B than Mientkwicz.
2007-08-03 17:46:00
86.   RIYank
82 Our bench today is awesome: Abreu and Posada to PH!
2007-08-03 17:47:42
87.   RIYank
85 I think you're wrong. Mientky used to be a very good fielder.

Hey, I like this. If Alex starts taking walks, he'll eventually see a lot of better pitches.

2007-08-03 17:49:03
88.   RIYank
Nice, some KC bullpen action. Yum.
2007-08-03 17:49:25
89.   Chyll Will
76 No offense meant; I'm not anywhere near the south. I'm in the Bronx (not even da South Bronx), I'm in the "Nanook" part of the Bronx. But the weather is more like Ban de Soleil... >;)
2007-08-03 17:49:41
90.   ChrisS
85 Doesn't matter, his bats better and defense isn't the be all end all at 1B, besides it's not like he's as bad as Giambi (who, frankly, I'd still play at first over Minky if he wouldn't breakdown after 2 games in the field).
2007-08-03 17:49:48
91.   Vandelay Industries

It just boggles the mind. Singleton said it yesterday. Teams won't start carrying fewer pitchers until everyone does it, which means it won't happen.

I totally understand it if you have seven or eight good relievers, then you are trading value for value, and pitching always being more important than offense. But we don't even have three good relievers.

I would actually dump Villone because its always good to have at least one reliever with a strange delivery, and Myers would be ours.

2007-08-03 17:50:41
92.   Mattpat11
82 Brian Cashman built the ridiculously poor bench and has shown a penchant for keeping poor moves til the bitter end.

Torre, on the other hand, benched the veteraniest of all veterans, Bernie Williams for Melky Cabrera last year.

I don't think EITHER of them is likely to use the Stink properly (valet parker)

2007-08-03 17:51:26
93.   DougP
91 Hasn't Villone been pitching well of late? I'd say axe Myers or Farns instead.
2007-08-03 17:51:36
94.   Mattpat11
Was Shelley expecting something to happen after that play?
2007-08-03 17:51:51
95.   tommyl
If they send Duncan back down its criminal. The kid works ABs and just rips the ball every time he makes contact.
2007-08-03 17:52:01
96.   Chyll Will
Wow. Gotta hand it to him, that was nice.
2007-08-03 17:52:02
97.   Vandelay Industries
Not to mention that Duncan already has more HR this year between AAA and ML than Giambi will ever hit in a single season again. We have to keep Duncan and dump pitching that has no value.
2007-08-03 17:52:09
98.   ChrisS
When does Duncan take over for the best unheralded rookie on a homer binge feel good story over Maas and Spencer?
2007-08-03 17:52:14
99.   RIYank
Wow. I like Shelley a lot, even when he isn't putting the ball over the fence.

Now I'm just hoping someone has posted something since my last one, otherwise this is four in a row and I'll have to be removed for a relief banterer.

2007-08-03 17:52:16
100.   tommyl
94 I think he was unsure if it bounced before it got to Gordon or not.
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2007-08-03 17:54:11
101.   Chyll Will
95 He's like Sheffield, only... not.
2007-08-03 17:54:20
102.   Vandelay Industries

I actually think Cashman and Joe are joined at the hip these days behind closed doors. With the shakeups in management, they keep their jobs by keeping both of them employed. When one goes the other will follow, and I believe they are working together to avoid that end, even if the team suffers as a consequence.

2007-08-03 17:54:39
103.   Mattpat11
100 But he didn't run. He just sort of stood there looking confused. Like he thought the ball went foul.
2007-08-03 17:56:17
104.   tommyl
101 Well said. I just love the kids, every time something happens they are so excited. It reminds me of Jeter back in '96. You don't see Shelly whining about playing time, even though he's deserved a lot more.

When Giambi comes back, what they should do is:

Hughes for Henn (he's got options still), or Karstens

Giambi for Cairo

That leaves a bench of Damon, Duncan, Molina and Betemit. That is the best bench we've had since '96 or '98.

2007-08-03 17:56:22
105.   RIYank
Hm, I wonder if maybe the fifth inning was that one bad inning that Wang has every game? That would be very nice.
2007-08-03 17:57:28
106.   RIYank
Jeter's playing well today.
2007-08-03 17:57:55
107.   tommyl
103 We saw the tail end of it. I think he started to run, they said to stop and he was like, huh?
2007-08-03 17:58:22
108.   Chyll Will
Sweet, even without the jump...
2007-08-03 17:59:21
109.   Vandelay Industries

I agree. I just don't want to see Betemit, Duncan, or Phillips go down just so we can keep Villone, Farnsworth, Bruney (now that the Bruney from Arizona has finally appeared) or Myers.

2007-08-03 18:00:07
110.   RIYank
Wow, Wanger looks really good. With an efficient seventh he could start the eighth.
2007-08-03 18:00:50
111.   Vandelay Industries
I am living in complete denial that YES and the Yankees are in bed with FOX News and the right. It's the only way I can sleep at night.
2007-08-03 18:01:24
112.   Vandelay Industries

Eighth, doesn't Joe already have Viz penciled in no matter what?

2007-08-03 18:01:53
113.   tommyl
109 How many relievers do we normally carry? 7, right? We've got 8 right now, so I think one of either Karstens or Henn will go down for Hughes on Saturday. Then its just whether Duncan, Phillips or Cairo goes for Giambi. They'll send Duncan down, and it'll be dumb.
2007-08-03 18:01:56
114.   OldYanksFan
79 I can't see Giambi playing the field for a single game UNLESS we have some interleague games left (do we?)

Torre will handle him like fine china.

2007-08-03 18:03:43
115.   RIYank
112 No, it's the Wang Exception! (Guidry explained it to him. Because Chien-Ming has two first names, he counts as two pitchers.)
2007-08-03 18:04:19
116.   OldYanksFan
89 But you look so southern...
2007-08-03 18:04:37
117.   Chyll Will
111 Sometimes it's best just to say that FOX doesn't exist, like the Boogeyman or ESPN or Karl Rove...
2007-08-03 18:06:13
118.   OldYanksFan
89 Oops.. I pretty sure that's not what I meant to say, or I don't mean what I said, or something like that. It was meant as I joke (I really can't see you over the Banter).
2007-08-03 18:07:32
119.   ChrisS
Can Duncan play first? because unlike Phillips, he's shown he can slug at the ML level, at least early on.
2007-08-03 18:07:56
120.   tommyl
119 He played it in the minors. How good he is at it, I don't know. He's playing RF tonight.
2007-08-03 18:08:15
121.   RIYank
Now, Molina bunts?
2007-08-03 18:08:46
122.   cult of basebaal
and hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's a bunt!
2007-08-03 18:08:53
123.   RIYank
120 Ohhhh, I thought he was just waaaaayyyy behind the bag at first.
2007-08-03 18:09:17
124.   Chyll Will
116 That would be Uncle Woodrow (born in Macon, GA) You should do some Serious Consideration sometime; I imagine anything that's not in New England looks southern >;)
2007-08-03 18:09:18
125.   RIYank
Jose should definitely smack it up the middle.
2007-08-03 18:09:25
126.   cult of basebaal
if he doesn't, torre should have his children taken away ...
2007-08-03 18:10:54
127.   Mattpat11
That failed.
2007-08-03 18:10:57
128.   tommyl
Well that bunt worked well.
2007-08-03 18:11:39
129.   RIYank

This is why all of my (two or three weeks ago) analysis of "no outs first and second" vs. "one out second and third" misses a lot of what matters in bunting. And of course the fielders can boot it.

2007-08-03 18:11:43
130.   tommyl
123 No no no, that's Damon. He's playing righties to pull.
2007-08-03 18:11:52
131.   Chyll Will
Larry Bowa said: (That bunt really stinks, get it down or we'll DFA ya a@#!)
2007-08-03 18:11:56
132.   Mattpat11
And we've somehow figured out a way to replace Cano with someone slower.
2007-08-03 18:12:06
133.   Vandelay Industries
Ugh! The same fly ball would have advanced the runners anyway Joe!
2007-08-03 18:12:30
134.   OldYanksFan
125 I might look like a New England Yankee but I'm really a Jew from Great Neck, NY. I guess looks can be deceiving. No offense was meant. As I said, bad joke where foot got caught in mouth.
2007-08-03 18:13:25
135.   RIYank
Ya know, there's a decent chance Molina could have walked, too.

Oh well, let's just get some damn runs.

2007-08-03 18:14:03
136.   cult of basebaal
fear for his job seems to have inspired JD ...
2007-08-03 18:14:04
137.   ChrisS
Who brings the leche?
2007-08-03 18:14:14
138.   Vandelay Industries
Am I crazy, or have I never seen anything like that before?
2007-08-03 18:14:33
139.   tommyl
And if they bench that kid, they deserve to lose.
2007-08-03 18:14:46
140.   RIYank
Now that I have never seen.

Is that a ground rule, or an MLB rule, that that's a double?

2007-08-03 18:15:17
141.   cult of basebaal
what happened, for the benefit of us gameday folks?
2007-08-03 18:15:24
142.   DougP
Never seen that either.
2007-08-03 18:15:33
143.   OldYanksFan
Wow... that play rates very high on the weird meter.
2007-08-03 18:16:02
144.   tommyl
Oh, please walk Jeter. A-Rod up with the bases loaded would be joyful.
2007-08-03 18:16:09
145.   RIYank
Hey, I do believe that ups Melky's BFOG by twenty points, too.
2007-08-03 18:16:15
146.   DougP
Line drive right at the mound. Bounced off the mound, then off the pitcher, then over the first base dugout into the stands. Kind of like the magic bullet.
2007-08-03 18:16:24
147.   Chyll Will
118 It's cool, OYF, I knew what you meant. I just thought it was hilarious that anyone would assume I was from the south in any regard >;) I get that less than people would assume I'm from Jamaica or ask me for a light.

Wow, that was a weird double...

2007-08-03 18:16:32
148.   BklynBmr
140 What happened? I left the screen twice tonight. First Robbie homers, now this...
2007-08-03 18:16:49
149.   RIYank
141 Melky lined the ball off the pitcher's leg and it went into the stands behind the Yankee dugout.
2007-08-03 18:16:55
150.   tommyl
141 Melky hit a shot up the middle, it hit off the pitcher's foot and it was so hard it went about 30 ft. in the air, and landed behind the Yankees dugout. Ground rule double. Probably the first ever, infield ground rule double.
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2007-08-03 18:17:29
151.   BklynBmr
148 Sorry, didn't see 146...
2007-08-03 18:18:01
152.   Vandelay Industries
Detroit is losing 6-3 and Cleveland is winning 2-1. What do I do?
2007-08-03 18:18:17
153.   tommyl
Oh wow...
2007-08-03 18:18:40
154.   OldYanksFan
Dude! I can't see you! There are are few here from the South... just wasn't sure whom.
I just wanted to know it was more humid somewhere else.
2007-08-03 18:18:44
155.   cult of basebaal
144 ask ... and ye shall receive!
2007-08-03 18:19:01
156.   OldYanksFan
are A few here...
2007-08-03 18:19:14
157.   Chyll Will
Oh S#$t, Ohh-S@#t!! Here it comes...
2007-08-03 18:19:31
158.   DougP
Was that actually a ground-rule double or was that like a single, plus everyone gets an extra base because a player throws the ball into the stands (or it hits a player and goes into the stands)?
2007-08-03 18:19:51
159.   OldYanksFan
It always comes down to ARod....
2007-08-03 18:20:09
160.   cult of basebaal
c'mon alex ... FINISH HIM!!!
2007-08-03 18:20:25
161.   cult of basebaal
2007-08-03 18:21:04
162.   RIYank
2007-08-03 18:21:32
163.   BklynBmr
A-Rod is obviously pressing. It's Torre job to make him relax, which he is clearly not doing. Torre must be fired immediately after the game...
2007-08-03 18:22:08
164.   OldYanksFan
I'll take the RBI.
These ARod ABs involve more tension then the games. It's wearing me out, I can only imagine how ARod feels.
2007-08-03 18:22:14
165.   Vandelay Industries
Minnesota tied the game 2-2. 2 out top 4th.
2007-08-03 18:22:27
166.   Vandelay Industries
Bottom 4, sorry.
2007-08-03 18:22:38
167.   OldYanksFan
Not quite Farnsproof yet.
2007-08-03 18:23:19
168.   RIYank
I'm gonna find out what that rule is (the one that gave Melky a double).
2007-08-03 18:23:57
169.   DougP
167 If Farnsworth comes into this game, Joe must be fired on the spot, without even waiting for the end of the game.
2007-08-03 18:24:05
170.   Chyll Will
154 It's all-good! Just a little teasing, that's all >;) Actually, the only one's I know from the south are Bama and Mehmattski, but I haven't seen either yet. Unless there are some kurkers who could give us the lowdown on the weather... any takers?
2007-08-03 18:24:35
171.   OldYanksFan
"Neifi Perez was suspended for 80 games Friday after testing positive for a third time for a banned stimulant"

This is Speed, I assume. Maybe he should store his stash in Minky's locker.

2007-08-03 18:25:34
172.   OldYanksFan
Quality lead line from ESPN:
"Trainer Anderson cheering for Bonds from prison"
2007-08-03 18:26:29
173.   yankz
172 Hilarious.

Isn't it a little weird that Bacardi sponsors the scouting reports?

2007-08-03 18:27:26
174.   OldYanksFan
169 Please see 5
2007-08-03 18:28:01
175.   RIYank
Okay, rule 6.09 (g)
Any bounding fair ball is deflected by the fielder into the stands, or over or under a fence on fair or foul territory, in which case the batter and all runners shall be entitled to advance two bases...
2007-08-03 18:28:47
176.   BklynBmr
172 If I had a few million waiting for me after a stretch at the country club, I'd be cheering, too...
2007-08-03 18:29:15
177.   DougP
174 It was my way of responding to 163. Why wait until the end of the game.
2007-08-03 18:29:16
178.   Chyll Will
170 kurkers... maybe I am from the south and don't even realize it? Strange... by the way, Serious Consideration is the name of my blog. I said early on I wasn't going to keep advertising it here, but for the sake of explanation so no one thinks I was offended, here's the link (as well as for anyone else interested in ignoring what I usually have to say):


2007-08-03 18:29:34
179.   RIYank
Farnsworth can't pitch. He pitched yesterday.

I'd love to see him in the eighth, actually. Because then he couldn't pitch tomorrow.

2007-08-03 18:29:54
180.   Vandelay Industries

I would actually like them to stop misusing the term "sponsor." They don't sponsor anything, they pay for ads which air during programming, outside of regular commercial breaks, which I am sure more than cover costs and salaries. The FCC made all this possible some years ago. Prior to that change, "Coors Light Cold Hard Facts" or the "Bud Hot Seat" and on and on...would have been illegal.

2007-08-03 18:30:46
181.   yankz
Jeez, Arod, how hard could it be?
2007-08-03 18:30:59
182.   Vandelay Industries
Santana about to cough up the leading run. Runner on third with one out.
2007-08-03 18:31:07
183.   RIYank
I'd have Wang start the eighth, actually.
2007-08-03 18:32:07
184.   BklynBmr
177 You wait until the end of the game out of respect. The division titles, the AL crowns, the rings. C'mon, now...
2007-08-03 18:32:50
185.   DougP
175 Thanks!
2007-08-03 18:32:59
186.   Vandelay Industries
Cleveland up 3-2.
2007-08-03 18:34:51
187.   RIYank
If Joe benches Duncan, he must be fired two weeks ago!
This is the same problem I had during that suspended game. Tense.
2007-08-03 18:34:54
188.   BklynBmr
Duncan is hitting his way straight to the bench or Scranton...
2007-08-03 18:35:57
189.   51cq24
isn't it still a little early to be checking indians scores?
2007-08-03 18:36:00
190.   DougP
That was weird. Shelley got to first and then told the coach "I didn't mean to do that," if I lipread him correctly. Wonder what "that" was? Not hit a HR?
2007-08-03 18:36:16
191.   yankz
187 Pun intended?
2007-08-03 18:36:36
192.   Vandelay Industries

I think he was trying to pull that ball.

2007-08-03 18:36:40
193.   yankz
189 Three games back? What?
2007-08-03 18:37:20
194.   RIYank
Santana's really having problems with the Indians.
"Hope Your Feeling Better."
(That was my Belth imitation.)
2007-08-03 18:37:51
195.   DougP
192 Makes sense.
2007-08-03 18:37:55
196.   BklynBmr
189 Especially when they're playing a team within reach of either the division AND wild card...
2007-08-03 18:38:12
197.   RIYank
191 Not exactly -- I noticed it fondly as soon as I typed it, though.
2007-08-03 18:38:57
198.   51cq24
193 august 3. it doesn't really matter yet, in that it won't make a difference as long as it's still close (or we're leading by a lot) in september.
2007-08-03 18:39:36
199.   RIYank
Yeah, Wanger!

Hey, I just realized, we can't be hitting into DPs. We need base-runners so A-Rod can bat again!

2007-08-03 18:39:42
200.   ChrisS
197 Good job, went right over my head the first time I read it; it's too damn hot.
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2007-08-03 18:39:50
201.   Schteeve
180 Could you please define the word sponsor? They are taking financial responsibility for a portion of the telecast, underwriting the production, in exchange for promotional mentions. How are they using "sponsor" wrong?

I get that you're pissed that they are advertising, but I don't get the semantic argument.

2007-08-03 18:40:06
202.   RIYank
Dang it. Just as I cheered the Wanger, he shows weakness.
2007-08-03 18:40:21
203.   51cq24
looks like yovani gallardo is gonna be insanely good
2007-08-03 18:40:33
204.   BklynBmr
The OF seemed pretty shallow right there...
2007-08-03 18:42:33
205.   Chyll Will
Again with the cut-to-commercial "already in progress"... and in the newwwwd! eww...
2007-08-03 18:42:54
206.   RIYank
Santana got out with no further damage. Oye como va!
2007-08-03 18:44:57
207.   Chyll Will
Sounds like flash-flood weather coming... I've had three floods in my apartment because of such. Better go batten down the hatches...
2007-08-03 18:45:19
208.   RIYank
What's Myers' job again???
2007-08-03 18:45:37
209.   pistolpete
Nice job Myers - didn't think you had one of those in ya.
2007-08-03 18:45:53
210.   51cq24
what the hell?
2007-08-03 18:46:03
211.   RIYank
Ohhhh, the Wheel of Guts, I forgot.
2007-08-03 18:46:30
212.   RIYank
210 You forgot, too!
2007-08-03 18:46:43
213.   pistolpete
Now what happens with this game if the rain washes out the rest of the night? Another one of those 'to be continued' games?
2007-08-03 18:46:45
214.   DougP
strange use of Myers then Viz.
2007-08-03 18:46:45
215.   yankz
2007-08-03 18:47:19
216.   OldYanksFan
178 Geez Will... I read a bit of it but couldn't find the stuff on the Yankees. Technical problems?
2007-08-03 18:47:42
217.   DougP
213 No, yanks would win.
2007-08-03 18:47:54
218.   ChrisS
213 Nah, they got a full game in.
2007-08-03 18:48:20
219.   51cq24
212 forgot would mean that i knew sometime, right? when we signed him i assumed i knew, but i guess that ortiz at bat changed everything.
2007-08-03 18:49:51
220.   pistolpete
They got a full game in last time too - was it because the Orioles should have batted one last time that we had to play those 2 innings out?
2007-08-03 18:51:14
221.   51cq24
2007-08-03 18:51:19
222.   RIYank
Rob rules.
2007-08-03 18:51:25
223.   pistolpete
2007-08-03 18:51:30
224.   DougP
220 It was because the yanks had taken the lead in the top of the 8th and the orioles hadn't gotten to bat in the bottom of the 8th.
2007-08-03 18:52:01
225.   Chyll Will
2007-08-03 18:52:21
226.   OldYanksFan
Wow... what a throw!
2007-08-03 18:52:29
227.   BklynBmr
Wow. If Robbie keeps flashing that arm he's going to be in pen before he knows it...
2007-08-03 18:53:42
228.   RIYank
219 I meant you forgot about the Wheel of Guts. Pitchers are replaced randomly.
2007-08-03 18:53:47
229.   yankz
227 I bet he could throw on back to back days.
2007-08-03 18:54:23
230.   Yu-Hsing Chen
this Cano kid cant field can he ;)

227 same for A-rod /Jeter / Melky /Abreu. hell maybe Damon can take up knuckleballing

2007-08-03 18:54:50
231.   51cq24
228 oh i wish i could forget that.
2007-08-03 18:55:32
232.   BklynBmr
229 Unlike someone we know, but that's what I'm afraid of. EDRC?
2007-08-03 18:56:04
233.   RIYank
Mientky might not get his job back after all, with the BFOG points Andy's earning.
2007-08-03 18:56:27
234.   Chyll Will
216 Ha, you obviously didn't read the "Yankees Suck!..." post >;)

That thunder and lighting is alot louder and brighter here than on TV...

2007-08-03 18:58:27
235.   RIYank
We need two base runners.
2007-08-03 18:58:59
236.   BklynBmr
It's great to see Andy playing lights out. Gotta admit I never cared much either way in the past, either he helped the team or bounce him. But with his personal stuff, man, what a great story.
2007-08-03 18:59:30
237.   51cq24
233 are they actually planning on letting him play when he gets back? every time they show him in the dugout i wonder.
2007-08-03 18:59:34
238.   RIYank
Oh yeah.
One more base runner.
2007-08-03 19:00:12
239.   DougP
I'm going to tomorrow's game. Maybe I'll get to see Hughes and A-Rpd make history!
2007-08-03 19:00:29
240.   Chyll Will
235 Wow, this thunder and lightning is getting kinda iffy...
2007-08-03 19:00:41
241.   Zack
Ok, I am just checking in, and it says one of the runs scored when Cabrera doubled to the pitcher? Umm, is that right?
2007-08-03 19:00:54
242.   RIYank
237 He's a veteran. He has experience. He's been there before. You can count on him. He's a great fielder. Blah blah blah.

Yeah Melk!!!!

A-Rod on deck, baby!

2007-08-03 19:01:05
243.   BklynBmr
235 Ask and ye...
2007-08-03 19:01:36
244.   3rd gen yankee fan

In case you forgot, I love love love this kid.

2007-08-03 19:01:45
245.   RIYank
241 Yeah. You want us to tell you, or would you like to scroll through the comments and try to figure it out?
2007-08-03 19:01:56
246.   yankz
How awesome have the kids been lately?
2007-08-03 19:02:06
247.   51cq24
239 only time in baseball history that you know a perfect game is gonna be thrown
2007-08-03 19:02:30
248.   BklynBmr
Love it. The Jeter chant was all about A-Rod...
2007-08-03 19:02:39
249.   RIYank
241 ... because you're never going to guess.

Yeah! Jeter selfishly tries to keep Alex from batting, but to no avail.

2007-08-03 19:02:55
250.   Chyll Will
Sorry, RI, I was gonna say something else and got distracted by that stuff. I say it's about ten miles from the Bronx. You should be seeing it within 10-20 minutes...

Nice! Now for the Wonderboy Moment!

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2007-08-03 19:03:03
251.   51cq24
247 uh oh no one yell at me!
2007-08-03 19:03:14
252.   DougP
oh wow -- the crowd's going nuts and it's not because a run just scored.
2007-08-03 19:03:20
253.   yankz
OK, this has to be it. Fate designed that one for you, A-God. We're all tired of waiting.
2007-08-03 19:03:23
254.   RIYank
Jeez. What a let down.
2007-08-03 19:03:50
255.   Chyll Will
Well, he's making contact anyway...
2007-08-03 19:03:54
256.   BklynBmr
Kenny almost sounded like Kay on that one...
2007-08-03 19:03:58
257.   Zack
249 Hmm, well, I guess you should just tell me, I am quite lazy
2007-08-03 19:04:36
258.   yankz
2007-08-03 19:04:41
259.   RIYank
250 Oh, the storm?
What, is it coming up 95?
2007-08-03 19:05:43
260.   RIYank
257 He drilled into the mound, it bounced off the pitcher's leg, and directly into the stands behind the Yankee dugout. Seriously. Double by rule.

Oh, Mariano, of course.

2007-08-03 19:06:05
261.   DougP
257 See 147, 149, 150.
2007-08-03 19:06:19
262.   RIYank
I would pitch Kyle here. For real. Lots of reasons.
2007-08-03 19:06:20
263.   51cq24
maybe he won't be passing bonds.

honestly, there's a difference between hitting your 500th and hitting when the team really needs it. and he's hit when the team needs it this year. but do we really want a player who feels this much pressure for a personal milestone? aside from the fact that it doesn't bode well for the playoffs, why is he feeling so pressured now?

2007-08-03 19:06:58
264.   yankz
When did Mo last pitch?
2007-08-03 19:07:34
265.   Chyll Will
259 Told ya >;)

Now Mo, that's some lightnin' I can deal with...

2007-08-03 19:07:49
266.   Zack
Wow, thats crazy! if not painful sounding. If that had been the Yanks a few months ago, it would have taken our pitcher's leg off!
2007-08-03 19:07:56
267.   williamnyy23
Does Joe want to get fired? Bringing Mariano into a 7-1 game with rain in the air is stupid. If I was Cashman, a pink slip would be waiting for Torre in his office.
2007-08-03 19:08:34
268.   51cq24
so now we put mo in for the rainy 9th inning of a 7-1 game
2007-08-03 19:08:37
269.   RIYank
263 He did double and walk today. I guess that sucks for him, actually. Hm. Is that an .800 OPS?
2007-08-03 19:08:46
270.   williamnyy23
264 A better question would be why didn't he pitch yesterday if you'd be willing to bring him in a 7-1 game.
2007-08-03 19:09:35
271.   BklynBmr
If Mo gets struck by lightning, Torre should be fired on the spot. F the respect...
2007-08-03 19:09:44
272.   RIYank
Mo needs work.
Also, it's good to get him a scoreless inning when the other team (a) stinks and (b) is demoralized and ready to give up.
2007-08-03 19:09:51
273.   51cq24
did anyone see how close the 2b umpire was to melky on that play? where was he going?
2007-08-03 19:10:35
274.   OldYanksFan
Joe was going to bring in Farns, but Farns doesn't like to get wet.
2007-08-03 19:10:44
275.   Zack
270 B/C he waits and waits until he has no choice, rather than try and give hims today work even if its not a save situation
2007-08-03 19:11:07
276.   Chyll Will
268 Better to end the game quicker, I guess...
2007-08-03 19:11:19
277.   BklynBmr
268 Maybe he needed a shower. We don't know these things...
2007-08-03 19:11:24
278.   RIYank
There ya go.
Twelve pitches of perfection. And you guys are complaining??
2007-08-03 19:12:00
279.   williamnyy23
I think any argument for Torre deserving to keep his job has been extinguished.
2007-08-03 19:12:33
280.   RIYank
Farnsworth was not available to pitch. He pitched yesterday.
Jesus, when will you slackers learn the rules???
2007-08-03 19:13:11
281.   RIYank
279 Too late. I already insisted that he be fired retroactively two weeks ago.
2007-08-03 19:13:20
282.   51cq24
278 i'd never complain about having to watch mo pitch. but i will complain about using him in a game like this when the risk of injury is elevated, even a little bit.
2007-08-03 19:13:41
283.   williamnyy23
270 Exactly...he continues to keep Mo out of high leverage situations, only to wind up wasting his golden bullets.

278 Twelve pitches that would have been better used in yesterday's 8th inning.

2007-08-03 19:14:03
284.   OldYanksFan
Detroit lost. This is good.
2007-08-03 19:15:59
285.   BklynBmr
Fire Joe Torre because ________________ *.


*Not sure of the actual count, but no BB thread is complete without a minimum of 50 calls for Joe's head. Just tryin' to help...

2007-08-03 19:16:55
286.   yankz
250 Wonderboy is broken :(
2007-08-03 19:17:37
287.   RIYank
285 Wimp.
I say Joe should be executed. He doesn't deserve to breathe another breath.
2007-08-03 19:20:47
288.   Max
283 Except that you're complaining about something that will never happen -- Torre bringing Mo in in the 8th inning with a 2 run deficit. It might be creative, it might be "high leverage", but how many managers out there do this?

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, or that it wouldn't have been a better idea than bringing in Farnworth, but it's so beyond the pale with Torre's thinking that I find complaining about it pointless.

Now the stubborness around not bringing Mo in on the road until the team has a lead, that's a different story...

2007-08-03 19:23:41
289.   Chyll Will
286 Somebody find the batboy so he can give A-Rod his bat!!
2007-08-03 19:25:51
290.   BklynBmr
287 Now you're talkin'. Who's down with a little torture thrown in beforehand for good measure? How about going after some family members just to drive home the point? Think about it. No future Yanks' skipper will ever manage a game again with a laptop pointed to this site. 162-0 here we come...
2007-08-03 19:26:21
291.   Chyll Will
285 he doesn't drink Arizona brand!
2007-08-03 19:27:27
292.   BklynBmr
290 make that without a laptop point the Banter... ;-)
2007-08-03 19:28:24
293.   Chyll Will
290 Torture, eh? How about we give Jim Dean his email address >;)
2007-08-03 19:30:27
294.   RIYank
286 289 Hmmm, that lightning might come in handy.
2007-08-03 19:31:26
295.   BklynBmr
291 That'll work. Or that he's soft on unruly brat kids, who need and deserve a beatdown every now and then, something like that...
2007-08-03 19:34:31
296.   RIYank
293 ooooh.
Even I get squeamish at a certain point. Could we just waterboard him?
2007-08-03 19:36:33
297.   Chyll Will
294 I'll bet that's exactly what Benjamin Franklin said... Doc Brown definitely thought so...
2007-08-03 19:38:51
298.   Chyll Will
296 As JD would say, if ya can't walk the walk, ya shouldn't talk the talk. But yeah, I see your point >;)
2007-08-03 19:44:21
299.   BklynBmr
Checking the Giants-Pods game. Camera swings to Selig in attendance. Bonds*, love 'im or hate 'im, is doing a great thing by dragging that douche bag all over the place. He should hold off on 755 until the last week of September...
2007-08-03 19:53:07
300.   Chyll Will
299 I dunno. Ken made up the perfect scenario for Barry in a comment on that Neifi! post.
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2007-08-03 19:56:48
301.   BklynBmr
300 Missed it. Where/when was it?
2007-08-03 20:07:59
302.   Chyll Will
Look on the sidebar, The Griddle. "Neifi, Switch to Decaf"
2007-08-03 20:38:13
303.   BklynBmr
302 Thanks, you self-aggrandizing $@%# ;-)

Hmmm. That's a non-starter simply for the fact that no one knows who the hell Neifi is, let alone half of MLB followers, I would venture to guess. The hardcore, yes, but casual fans, no way...

Now if Bonds* hits it on the same day Jose Canseco decides to cap himself, now we have some headlines...

As Bonds* flys out against Maddox as I type this...

2007-08-03 20:41:56
304.   BklynBmr
303 ... make that "flies" for the spellcheck po-pos', whom I totally respect...
2007-08-03 20:50:15
305.   Chyll Will
304 Well, even Barnum had to start somewhere, though he started earlier than I did >;)

It would be better on # 756. That would probably be one of the few times that I would say the press served it's purpose well...

"Bonds Tops Aaron On Canseco Cap Day"

2007-08-03 21:14:08
306.   BklynBmr
305 "Canseco Cap Day". You're prolific, a wizard, and a true star. Sweeeet. ;-)

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