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2007-07-20 14:14
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

The Yankees have done exactly what they've needed to thus far in the second half, taking three of four from both the Devil Rays and Blue Jays. Along the way they won five games in a row prior to yesterday's loss, but the only one of those games that was decided by more than two runs (Wednesday's 6-1 win), saw the Yanks trailing 1-0 in the seventh. Perhaps these close games are helping the team maintain its focus and avoid any bad habits that might emerge in garbage time at-bats, but I'd think they could use the emotional respite that a nice blowout win could provide (certainly Luis Vizcaino and Mariano Rivera could use an extra day of rest having pitched in six and five of the last eight games respectively).

The pressure won't ease up until the Yankees either clinch a playoff spot or get eliminated, and it's right back on them tonight. Having taken three of four from the Devil Rays last weekend, they need to do the same this weekend, and with Matt DeSalvo and Kei Igawa getting the starts in a double header tomorrow that's sure also see Wil Nieves get a start behind the plate, there's extra pressure to win tonight behind Mike Mussina, who will be caught by Jorge Posada for the first time since he gave up seven runs in 6 2/3 innings to the Red Sox on May 22. (For the curious, Mussina has posted a 3.40 ERA and a 1.20 WHIP in 11 starts with Nieves behind the plate and a 9.00 ERA and 1.89 WHIP in four starts with Posada behind the plate, one of them being his injury-shortened outing in Minneapolis in April).

As for the Devil Rays, after losing three of four to the Yankees, they took two of three at home from the scuffling Angels by a combined score of 15-8. The Rays have also made a trio of roster moves since the Yankees were in town. Most importantly, they've activated closer Al Reyes from the DL, farming out lefty Jon Switzer in the process. They also just tipped their roster from 11 to 13 pitchers in preparation for the four games they'll play over the next three days in the Bronx. Specifically, they optioned out infielder Jorge Cantu and designated outfielder Dustan Mohr for assignment while calling up righties Jae Kuk Ryu and Scott Dohmann. Word is the Rays will make yet another move to bring up J.P. Howell for a spot start in the second game of Saturday's double header, while Ryu could get the start in the day game if Jason Hammel is needed to eat innings for Edwin Jackson tonight.

They Yankees, have made a roster move of their own, calling up Shelley Duncan and optioning Kevin Thompson back to Scranton, while moving Doug Mientkiewicz to the 60-day DL to make room for Duncan on the 40-man roster. Duncan has been raking at Scranton, hitting .295/.380/.577 with 25 homers and 79 RBIs, but also 88 strikeouts. A big (6'5") outfielder/first baseman who's not particularly adept at either position, he's got the Adam Dunn skill set, but from the right-hand side of the plate. Duncan is no Dunn, however. He's 40 days older than Dunn, was a career .251/.334/.468 hitter prior to this year, and didn't crack triple-A until late last year on the verge of his 27th birthday. Duncan has 128 home runs in his minor league career. Dunn has 224 in his major league career. That Duncan went to college (University of Arizona), but Dunn didn't is not enough to explain even a fraction of that discrepancy. Still, it's worth a shot to see if Duncan can keep his bat hot (he's hitting .367 with four homers since the break) as the Yankee DH, which is where he'll start tonight (Johnny Damon will play center as Melky Cabrera's sitting due to the abdominal strain he suffered in yesterday's game).

Tonight's mound match-up of Mussina and Jackson is a rematch of Sunday's finale in Tampa, which the Yankees won 7-6 after some shoddy work by both bullpens. In that game, Jackson, who sports a season ERA of 7.14, held the Yankees scoreless for four frames before coughing up a four spot in the fifth. He finished after six innings having allowed just those four runs on six hits and two walks while striking out six. Mussina got the better of Jackson by allowing just three runs over six innings, but he also allowed five more hits and struck out none. Jackson has been a significantly better pitcher on the road this year, while Mussina has been a touch worse at home, so tonight is no given for the Yanks. They'll have to keep on fighting.

Comments (273)
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2007-07-20 15:48:16
1.   bobtaco
I would say that Pettitte vs Shields is not a gimme either.
2007-07-20 16:02:20
2.   randym77
Whoa. I wasn't expecting them to call up Shelley Duncan.

Poor KT. He's never going to see the light of day, is he?

2007-07-20 16:12:28
3.   weeping for brunnhilde
What the fuck is Damon doing out there?
2007-07-20 16:16:51
4.   OldYanksFan
Is this a private conversation?
2007-07-20 16:17:42
5.   RIYank
Okay, if Moose isn't going to get that strike call, I don't see how anyone can expect him to pitch.
Oh. Never mind.
2007-07-20 16:18:42
6.   OldYanksFan
Is the dbl-hdr tomorrow due to a rainout? Aren't these usually done on Sundays?
2007-07-20 16:21:12
7.   RIYank
Imagine you're a Rays fan:

YOU WALKED JOHNNY DAMON???

2007-07-20 16:27:32
8.   Eirias
Is Mussina really worse at home? The "Pitching Keys" graphic has him at 7-0 at home.
2007-07-20 16:44:46
9.   Jim Dean
Joba got rocked tonight:

4.2 IP 9 H 7 ER 3 HR 7 K 3 BB

By comparison, he gave up a combined 8 ER in his last 6 outings (5 in one game). It's all good - part of the learning experience. And hopefully it puts to rest this nonsense about him joining the bullpen that Francesa's been pushing.

2007-07-20 16:46:47
10.   RIYank
Yeah, Andy.
Okay, folks, hold on to your hats: it's Duncan Time!
I know everyone's excited.
2007-07-20 16:47:21
11.   ny2ca2dc
I thought this moment would never arrive! Now don't GIDP!
2007-07-20 16:48:14
12.   seamus
quiet here tonight. babe duncan is up.
2007-07-20 16:48:45
13.   Jim Dean
10 I'm so excited I just wet myself!
2007-07-20 16:49:16
14.   Jim Dean
11 Or K four times tonight...
2007-07-20 16:49:33
15.   BklynBmr
9 Nerves, hopefully. Boss, Jr. was in town (according to LoHud)...

Duncan is wearing #17. Who wore that last?

2007-07-20 16:50:06
16.   randym77
Drat. I was hoping he'd join the likes of Marcus Thames, Bubba Crosby, and Todd Zeile, and homer in his first Yankee at-bat.
2007-07-20 16:50:51
17.   bobtaco
9 Per PeteAbe:

UPDATE, 5:22 p.m.: Brian Cashman went to New Britain to see Joba Chamberlain pitch tonight. It's not that much of a stretch because Cash lives in Connecticut. But interesting that they're keeping such a close eye on a AA pitcher.

I wonder if that had something to do with it...

2007-07-20 16:53:02
18.   3rd gen yankee fan
I saw Duncan! I saw Duncan!

I also saw Damon being worthless again!

wth is he doing in center, did Melky break a leg????

2007-07-20 16:53:36
19.   randym77
The My9 poll is asking if the Yanks should stick with Andy Phillips or trade for a first baseman.
2007-07-20 16:54:19
20.   BklynBmr
16 Thames. That one sticks out in my mind. Helluva shot off The Unit when he was still The Unit...
2007-07-20 16:54:52
21.   Jim Dean
15 17 Would they tell him something like that to test him? I mean it's not a bad idea as a way to turn up the heat in a controlled setting.

But otherwise how would he know?

2007-07-20 16:55:03
22.   bobtaco
15

Chris Basak this year
Nick Green last year

Years ago...

Mike Easler (1986)
John Flaherty (2003-2005)
Oscar Gamble (1979-1984)
Doc Gooden (2000)
Gene Michael (1968-1971)

2007-07-20 16:55:31
23.   BklynBmr
19 Tex for Damon straight up? I say do it ;-)
2007-07-20 16:55:54
24.   bobtaco
21 Maybe Joba blogs
2007-07-20 16:56:37
25.   randym77
Andy Phillips also homered in his first at-bat as a Yankee. Technically, I think Nick Green did, too. His first plate appearance was a walk. That doesn't count as an at-bat, right? His second was a home run.
2007-07-20 16:59:31
26.   Yankees Brasil
Can't give up a double to a .179 hitter..
2007-07-20 17:01:30
27.   OldYanksFan
Man... Abreu stinks in the OF. He jogged after that one, and didn't come close.
2007-07-20 17:01:42
28.   Jim Dean
26 I think it was in return for Jackson giving up the 2B to Nieves last weekend.
2007-07-20 17:01:48
29.   WeMissPaulie
We get the "bad" Mussina tonight.
2007-07-20 17:02:35
30.   WeMissPaulie
27. I cant watch it, was it catchable?
2007-07-20 17:03:10
31.   OldYanksFan
I thinl we get the "bad" Abreu tonight
2007-07-20 17:03:40
32.   Yankees Brasil
28 We owe them more than that if that's the case
2007-07-20 17:04:25
33.   monkeypants
So, according to Pete Abe, Torre was going to sit Damon for a couple of days to 'rest' him, but then Melky got tweaked so Johnny is still in the lineup. Not ideal, but fair enough. BUT, if Damon was going to be benched if not for Melky's injury, why does he still lead off? Shouldn't he be dropped to the bottom of the lineup.

And I know that lineups don't matter that much. It's just the principle/logic of the thing.

2007-07-20 17:05:24
34.   WeMissPaulie
Wow....Mussina is getting worse and worse....
2007-07-20 17:05:25
35.   BklynBmr
22 Thank you! Oh, man — how could I forget 'Stick'! He was one of my favs back then...

21 Maybe a teammate clued him in, who knows. I'd like to think the exact opposite outcome would result if that was the case. But he's young. And good. Sh*t happens...

2007-07-20 17:05:48
36.   Yankees Brasil
So, whats the excuse for Mussina tonight??
2007-07-20 17:06:00
37.   OldYanksFan
NOT GOOD.
Matsui took ONE step then stopped.
Quite a shot for a slight fellow.
2007-07-20 17:06:12
38.   monkeypants
Things arenot looking too good so far. Nieves anyone?
2007-07-20 17:07:06
39.   Jim Dean
Sterling is just terrible:

And there it goes! It's going, going, and it is..

..

...

...

...

[why the big paws?]

...

..

..

..

Gone.

[Then he always follows up with why he sucks]

..

..

With this lighting here, it is so tough to see the ball.

2007-07-20 17:07:18
40.   monkeypants
36 The excuse is already built in: Posada's fault.
2007-07-20 17:07:31
41.   BklynBmr
38 How about changing the pitcher?
2007-07-20 17:08:38
42.   monkeypants
39 I feel for you, man. I shelled out the $$$$ for MLB.tv almost entirely because of Sterling/Waldman (and I'm not kidding).
2007-07-20 17:08:57
43.   iicollies
Definitely not a quality start
2007-07-20 17:09:14
44.   Jim Dean
Yup, good to see Moose shitting the bed. I suppose it's because Jorge's the catcher.
2007-07-20 17:09:56
45.   Yankees Brasil
Losing this game, we are probably looking at a 1-3 series
2007-07-20 17:10:40
46.   JL25and3
22 Mickey Rivers!
2007-07-20 17:10:52
47.   Jim Dean
42 I would but this team hasn't "earned" it yet.

[Switching to TOR announcers.]

2007-07-20 17:11:52
48.   JL25and3
I'm stunned. A couple of bad plays behind him, and Mussina falls completely apart. Inconceivable!
2007-07-20 17:12:41
49.   randym77
A few days ago I was watching a 2006 spring training game. There was a pre-game interview with Jorgie, and he was going on about he has more of a bond with Moose, because they've been together so long, and Moose has proved he wants to win, and RJ hadn't (yet). Oh, the irony.
2007-07-20 17:13:09
50.   monkeypants
48 Mussina is not only smarter than all of us, but he's also a delicate artist.
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2007-07-20 17:13:48
51.   Jim Dean
BTW: Guess who's a AAAer?

Scott Podsednik!

Playing against The Office tonight.

2007-07-20 17:14:37
52.   Yankees Brasil
Also, the ump's strike zone is not helping
2007-07-20 17:14:55
53.   monkeypants
49 I've mentioned it before, but remember last year, when Mussina's hot start was credited in part to some advice that Posada gave him?
2007-07-20 17:15:50
54.   BklynBmr
46 Good one. Can't believe I missed that, too. Drain bramage, I tell ya...
2007-07-20 17:16:48
55.   monkeypants
Edwar sighting!
2007-07-20 17:17:35
56.   Jim Dean
49 Wow. You know things are bad when you're watching a year-old spring training game. It's time you go out and get a life, son.

[Like I'm one to talk].

And Mosse is sucking and bitching. What else is new?

[How about you shut your fucking trap and pitch?]

[And I love this new bracket style of commenting].

2007-07-20 17:19:26
57.   BklynBmr
53 That might have been '06(?), in spring training when Jorge saw Moose tipping his changeup (fingers easily visable to the hitter when coming over the top)...
2007-07-20 17:21:55
58.   randym77
56 Yeah, pretty pathetic, huh?

I had to work, and the game I was planning to watch was rained out. So I picked one at random from the MLB.TV "on demand" menu. I've already seen all the regular season Yankee games, so I picked a spring training game.

Also in the pre-game show: the players all gushing about Torre, including A-Rod saying he was a real players' manager, and Jeter saying he expected Torre to still be managing ten years from now.

2007-07-20 17:21:58
59.   BklynBmr
Four pitches? Who battled and hung in there for the team? Oh, Bobby...
2007-07-20 17:23:15
60.   Jim Dean
57 Yup. Jorge saw it and crushed the pitch. Moose was smart enough to ask how. Jorge told him he saw three fingers on top of the ball. As a result, Moose dropped his index down on the side of the ball to more of a circle change.
2007-07-20 17:24:37
61.   spufi2007
Ah, another sleepwalking game for the ol' Bombers. Every single time they get hot, pfffffffffffffft.
2007-07-20 17:25:31
62.   Jim Dean
58 I don't know what's sadder: you watching that game or them having it On-Demand so many, many others could do the same in perpetuity.
2007-07-20 17:27:22
63.   BklynBmr
What the hell happened there? Either Moose recovered completely or the Rays think this one's over. I love this game...
2007-07-20 17:28:14
64.   randym77
62 Not in perpetuity. They only give you the current year and the year before now. Kind of a bummer. I guess they were running out of server space or something. But spring 2006 is now the earliest in their archives. Another reason I picked it. I might never get another chance! ;-)
2007-07-20 17:28:17
65.   BklynBmr
60 Good memory. That was exactly it...
2007-07-20 17:31:09
66.   Jim Dean
64 You mean just the spring games?

That's weird - storage costs are so damn cheap and getting cheaper every year.

65 I just remember thinking how weird it was that Moose would have to ask and not that Jorge would just say something.

2007-07-20 17:31:34
67.   BklynBmr
Thome went upper deck on Beck (OK, maybe not upper deck, but a 3-run dinger). 3-1 Pale Hose, bottom 4 in Fenway...
2007-07-20 17:33:36
68.   monkeypants
Fucking MLB.tv keeps hanging on me tonight--save your money, JD.
2007-07-20 17:34:00
69.   Jim Dean
67 Hopefully his happy homer tendencies have returned.
2007-07-20 17:34:25
70.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ah, wtf!

I was talking to a friend on the phone and I come back to 4-0?

Fuck!

We can't have this!

2007-07-20 17:35:29
71.   rbj
Geez, I get back from New Orleans Wednesday, and the Yankees' record is 0-1 (Thursday), and down 0-4 tonight. Meanwhile, while I was there the Yankees were 5-0 (Sat - Wed). Obviously I need to go back there.

So who's up for funding my trip back down there? You all do want the Yankees to win don't you? I just need money for the hotel, food, liquor and hookers. Don't be the cause of the Yankees missing the playoffs.

2007-07-20 17:36:09
72.   weeping for brunnhilde
Who the hell is this guy?

Is Melky hurt or something?

What's going on around here, I'm so confused.

2007-07-20 17:36:14
73.   monkeypants
70 Trust me, it happened fast. I left the room (1-0) to check on something in the kitchen, and came back 4-0.
2007-07-20 17:36:46
74.   Jim Dean
Come on Shelley - jack one.
2007-07-20 17:38:10
75.   BklynBmr
66 Man, to be a fly on the wall (speaking of not having a life ;-), little dynamics like these are fascinating, at least to the hardcore. Good take...

Duncan is going deep tonight, just hope it'll mean something...

2007-07-20 17:38:29
76.   Jim Dean
68 Like I said this team "hasn't earned it" yet.

Meanwhile, poor Shelly halfway to not being seen again until next year.

2007-07-20 17:40:21
77.   Jim Dean
75 I agree. That's where I would have loved more quotes from a beat reporter.
2007-07-20 17:40:57
78.   BklynBmr
71 I'll chip in, but your priorities are completely backwards!
2007-07-20 17:42:14
79.   Jim Dean
BJ Upton is good. He could be the best young player in baseball by next year.
2007-07-20 17:43:54
80.   OldYanksFan
78 "..completely backwards!" Good one!
2007-07-20 17:45:26
81.   monkeypants
76 Shelley is due to become a MiL FA agent at the end of the year, or does he lose that option if the Yankees call him up? If not, he'll look nice in an Oakland uniform.
2007-07-20 17:46:03
82.   randym77
66 No, the regular season games, too. Last year, you could watch games going back to 2004. This year, the cutoff is 2006. :-(
2007-07-20 17:48:04
83.   Jim Dean
82 Wow, how weird. That's just dumb. I'm sure it's to save money, but still - they're growing it these days.

Is it only old playoff games that you can watch?

2007-07-20 17:50:16
84.   weeping for brunnhilde
Tampa Bay and California.

They just linedrive us to death.

Here comes Joe.

Moose is going to be all over Jorgie for being Jorgie and Joe for not starting Nieves.

What a fucking disgrace of a fiasco.

2007-07-20 17:50:31
85.   cult of basebaal
wow ... sure glad i turned the computer on to see this score ... another awesome moose outing ... bugger ... at least maybe i'll get to see some edwar ... unless, of course, joe is saving him for tomorrow ...
2007-07-20 17:50:42
86.   rbj
Not a good night for the Moose. This didn't happen when I was down south. . .
78 Thanks for the support. And I was going from least to most.
2007-07-20 17:50:45
87.   OldYanksFan
Wow.. I turn on the Sox game and literally as the picture pops on, there is Crirp hitting a bases loaded triple. Red over White, 4-3.
2007-07-20 17:50:51
88.   BklynBmr
80 You only go around once ;-)

Edwar? Here? Now? Oh, please...

2007-07-20 17:51:41
89.   cult of basebaal
well ... how 'bout that ... speak of the devil ... c'mon edwar ... please pitch well and earn your BFoG merit badge
2007-07-20 17:52:05
90.   weeping for brunnhilde
I'd like to see this team, for a trial week, just try to hit everything the other way and see what happens.

I'm tired of seeing every other team execute fundamentally sound swings to beat us.

2007-07-20 17:52:50
91.   cult of basebaal
they've got a picture for edwar on gameday now ... all i can say is "AWESOME!!!"
2007-07-20 17:53:00
92.   OldYanksFan
Red now over White, 5-3.
2007-07-20 17:53:46
93.   BklynBmr
87 It's gonna be a long night. Hopefully a good one, but definitely a long one...
2007-07-20 17:56:12
94.   weeping for brunnhilde
Poor Edwar.

The guy hasn't pitched in two weeks and now he's supposed to throw striikes.

2007-07-20 17:57:00
95.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow.

I feel ill.

2007-07-20 17:57:10
96.   cult of basebaal
c'mon edwar ... i know joey joe joe fucked you over, what with not pitching for 2!!! (count 'em, 13 days) weeks, but let's go!
2007-07-20 17:57:19
97.   rbj
$%%@#$%@ !!!! #$%#%!!!!!!!
See what happens when I leave NO?!
2007-07-20 17:57:26
98.   Jim Dean
Poor, poor, Edwar.
2007-07-20 17:57:31
99.   BklynBmr
Texas Ranger game... Texas Ranger game... Texas Ranger game...
2007-07-20 17:57:48
100.   cult of basebaal
ummm ... ouch ... 'course joe will blame all of that on you
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2007-07-20 17:58:06
101.   Yankees Brasil
You just can't let a .179 hitter hurt you like that
2007-07-20 17:58:12
102.   weeping for brunnhilde
Poor Edwar.

Fuck you, Joe, for totally mishandling this guy.

Nice work, old man.

2007-07-20 17:58:36
103.   vockins
Christ, man. I won't see that kid again for a long time.
2007-07-20 17:59:17
104.   Yankees Brasil
07 Yankees again
2007-07-20 17:59:33
105.   C2Coke
Wow. How long before we see Ramirez again?

Are we getting the 2007 Yankees back tonight?

2007-07-20 17:59:53
106.   weeping for brunnhilde
103 Joe's self-fulfilling prophecy.

"See, I told you I didn't trust him, he's just a kid."

2007-07-20 18:00:16
107.   monkeypants
Hmmm...Edwar looks a little rusty.

Can Nieves pitch?

2007-07-20 18:00:24
108.   cult of basebaal
yeah, it's not like the changeup is a feel pitch or anything ... thanks, shabbadoo!
2007-07-20 18:01:47
109.   weeping for brunnhilde
105 Oh, dear God, I just can't take this.

Are we about to go 3-10 again?

This team drives me to drink.

2007-07-20 18:02:19
110.   cult of basebaal
it's massacre the kinder night here in the bronx
2007-07-20 18:02:20
111.   weeping for brunnhilde
109 Dimelo has the right idea, in fact.
2007-07-20 18:02:29
112.   Yankees Brasil
106 Pete Abe is going to write something along those lines soon..watch it
2007-07-20 18:03:17
113.   monkeypants
Myers better finish this game.
2007-07-20 18:03:28
114.   3rd gen yankee fan
How f'ed is this.
2007-07-20 18:03:55
115.   bobtaco
102 Word. I think you took the exact words out of my mouth.
2007-07-20 18:04:15
116.   BklynBmr
If we can just get into their bullpen...
2007-07-20 18:04:29
117.   monkeypants
112 Except he'll mean it. And then he'll take a shot at Josh Phelps and/or Kevin Thompson.
2007-07-20 18:05:06
118.   BklynBmr
113 Myers shoulda started it...
2007-07-20 18:05:19
119.   weeping for brunnhilde
Isn't a manager's job to set up each of his player's to, um, what's the word...succeed!, that's it.

Not to set them up to fail.

To quote from Glengarry Glenross, "You get paid to help us, not fuck us up."

2007-07-20 18:06:35
120.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice job pulling the outside pitch, there, Johnny.

Keep plugging, next time you'll hit'er out!

2007-07-20 18:06:40
121.   spufi2007
19 pitches for Edwar, 2 strikes.
2007-07-20 18:07:28
122.   cult of basebaal
those who were watching, were the pitches from edwar close, or was he just all over the place?
2007-07-20 18:07:48
123.   spufi2007
Anyone notice that Moose is now 4-7 with a 4.97 ERA?
2007-07-20 18:07:57
124.   C2Coke
113, 118 To the least, you guys still got a laugh outta me.
2007-07-20 18:08:02
125.   weeping for brunnhilde
Derek knows how to hit.

The rest of these guys are garbage.

2007-07-20 18:08:09
126.   Yankees Brasil
And we are still waiting for Damon to start hitting again..
2007-07-20 18:08:12
127.   OldYanksFan
Please. I don't care if you sit for 2 months, you got to throw strikes. The kid is young. There is something to be said for maturity and experience. If he's real, he will get his chance.
2007-07-20 18:08:54
128.   weeping for brunnhilde
125 Please, don't come back at me with numbers or arguments.

I'm in a foul mood, please just indulge me here.

2007-07-20 18:09:08
129.   cult of basebaal
jesus h christ on a saltine cracker ... edwin jackson?!?!?!?

urge.
to.
kill.
rising.

2007-07-20 18:09:18
130.   C2Coke
121 He can't be worse than Bruney these days.
2007-07-20 18:10:52
131.   monkeypants
127 He'll look good in an Oakland uniform.
2007-07-20 18:11:19
132.   rbj
Al Leiter has a formula for the Yankees getting to be in first? Yeah, it includes a couple of guys going up to Boston and "visiting" the Red Sox to express concern for the players' health.
2007-07-20 18:11:45
133.   C2Coke
Too bad Al Lieter Got a crappy game to announce after his break. Kind of a waste.
2007-07-20 18:13:09
134.   monkeypants
Hey--quality AB by Abreu!
2007-07-20 18:13:11
135.   cult of basebaal
what a crappy night, The Hut gets shelled, Shelley leaves 'em stranded all over the place ... edwar can't find the plate with a roadmap ... bleh
2007-07-20 18:13:15
136.   weeping for brunnhilde
Remember back in '98 how when we'd be down 9-0 in the fifth we'd still feel like we might actually pull it out?

Glory days.

What was that huge comeback we had recently?

Was it last summer or two summers ago? Six runs in the ninth or something like that?

Alex singled, I think, to win the game?

Anyone remember that one?

2007-07-20 18:13:16
137.   bobtaco
Who else is sick of so goes Abreu, so goes the Yanks, raise your hand.

Thank you Captain Obvious Michael Kay. Not saying it is Torre's BP usage though...

2007-07-20 18:13:39
138.   monkeypants
132 It might include him putting on a uniform.
2007-07-20 18:13:59
139.   weeping for brunnhilde
132 ha ha ah aha ha ah ah a !!!!!

ha ha hah ah a!

2007-07-20 18:14:38
140.   C2Coke
Too bad Jeter's only one who still can hit today. Kind of a waste.
2007-07-20 18:15:10
141.   weeping for brunnhilde
137 Raising hand high
2007-07-20 18:16:04
142.   Yankees Brasil
This is like 07 Yankees with 06 A-Rod on a bad day
2007-07-20 18:16:04
143.   cult of basebaal
looks like i picked the wrong game to stop sniffing glue ...
2007-07-20 18:16:09
144.   weeping for brunnhilde
Kay presents exhibit A, Al's formula.
2007-07-20 18:16:35
145.   ieddyi
60.

Sorta makes ya wonder why it was Moose that had to ask Jorge. Wouldn't that be the kind of thing a catcher should be looking for and advising his pitcher on??

2007-07-20 18:17:28
146.   C2Coke
136 You don't say! I do remember one game in 2005, perhaps in August. The Yankees against this very team, Tampa Bay. They scored like 13 runs in the 8th inning, and ended up winning with 21 runs. Anyone can back me up?
2007-07-20 18:17:31
147.   cult of basebaal
112 not that calling this was anymore difficult than calling the sun rising in the east, but heeeeeeeeeeere's petey!

UPDATE, 8:58 p.m.: I fully understand he hasn't pitched for a while. But Edwar Ramiez had been throwing bullpens. There is no excuse for four walks and a grand slam.

Minor-league stats are fairly meaningless when it comes to projecting how a player will fare in the majors. Too many people, fans and media alike, see good numbers and assume a guy can play. There was a reason the Yankees waited so long to bring up Ramirez.

It's too bad. Ramirez seems like a nice kid and obviously he got screwed by the lack of work. But there does come up a time when you have to suck it up and throw a strike.

2007-07-20 18:17:53
148.   monkeypants
144 It's certainly more entertaining than the game.
2007-07-20 18:18:04
149.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yankees go 19-6 in August? "very realistic," says Leiter.

19-6???

This team?

2007-07-20 18:19:35
150.   randym77
83 They have a selection of "classic" games, some of them very old. No-hitters, postseason games, stuff like that.
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2007-07-20 18:19:56
151.   weeping for brunnhilde
How can Leiter have the Yankees sweeping anyone?

What team has he been watching?

Sure, it's possible that we'll sweep someone, but man, I need to see it happen.

2007-07-20 18:20:26
152.   monkeypants
147 But no jab at Josh Phelps. I'm disappointed.
2007-07-20 18:20:29
153.   C2Coke
148 That's obviously why they are doing this. Anything possible to distract anyone from paying more attention to this game.
2007-07-20 18:20:59
154.   weeping for brunnhilde
We're about to lose two games in a row.

We can't make up ground losing back to back games.

We can't afford it anymore.

2007-07-20 18:24:05
155.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fucking Hideki.

Terrible swing.

I'm sorry, I just can't take this.

At least have a good ab.

2007-07-20 18:25:31
156.   randym77
149 Well, maybe not very realistic, but in the realms of possibility. The Yanks are 11-5 for July.
2007-07-20 18:25:49
157.   weeping for brunnhilde
Beautiful, Jorgie.

Jorgie still cares.

2007-07-20 18:26:31
158.   JL25and3
I'm going to play devil's advocate because, well, I'm a contrarian and that's what I do.

Maybe - just maybe - Torre and Guidry and Kerrigan actually know a thing or two. And maybe - just maybe - after working with Ramirez for a couple of weeks, this is what they knew.

This isn't a case I'd go to the mats with, but in the general riot of Torre-knows-nothing, it might be worth a thought.

2007-07-20 18:26:54
159.   monkeypants
154 And Boston pulls ahead. Someone last night or the night before asked if any of us who had "officially written off the season" were going to recant. I said no, just I like I did a month ago. This is a .500 team +/-. They win a few in row, they'll lose a few in row. The 2007 Yankees are not the team that gets hot or goes cold, but the mediocre composite.
2007-07-20 18:27:36
160.   weeping for brunnhilde
156 Yes, it is in the realm of possibility, for sure.

It sure doesn't feel like it right now, though, does it?

Their conduct on the field belies the case.

Tonight, fine, whatever.

But that's why you have to win yesterday's game.

Losing that game (and such games) are is what kills us.

2007-07-20 18:28:19
161.   weeping for brunnhilde
Cano's got this terrible homerun swing.

Why did he swing so hard there?

2007-07-20 18:29:07
162.   monkeypants
158 If so, why is he on the team? OK, we blame Cashman then, because presumably the coaching staff would inform the GM that one of their staff is not MLB quality. But something is fundamentally wrong when a team carries player and simply never uses him. This isn't the NFL--there aren't enough roster spots to squander them.
2007-07-20 18:30:00
163.   weeping for brunnhilde
158 Agreed. It is possible.
2007-07-20 18:31:00
164.   JL25and3
162 There I agree completely. I've always thought that 12 pitchers is one too many; 13 is absurd.
2007-07-20 18:31:18
165.   BklynBmr
Given the Yanks' level of passion tonight, let's give them one more, go with LL Rule and hope the Rays shot their wad, and we sweep tomorrow...
2007-07-20 18:31:20
166.   rconn23
We can forget about the postseason.

Any reasonable GM would see this team is just poorly constructed and try to sell off any of the many crappy parts we have.

A team with Andy Phillips and Shelly Duncan and a virtual cadavre playing centerfield just has no chance to compete.

What makes this disgusting loss to this garbage team and scrub pitcher even worse is how the Red Sox are winning their game.

With a runner on first, Ozzie $#%% for brains Guillien decided to put a shift on for Eric Hinske, who sucks and is literally not even hitting his weight. (.194).

So Hinske bunts down the third base line and gets an easy base hit. Lugo bunts to get the runners over and Contreras botched the throw to first. Crisp three run double.

What a horrible call to put a shift on for someone like Hinske. Inexplicable.

But hey, Mussina pitched like garbage and our "offense" is getting shut down by Edwin &^%%$ Jackson. What the hell is happening?

I just hope Mussina does the world a favor and retires because he is absolutely shot. Truly has no value anymore.

It's time to throw in the towel, folks. The optimum thing to do would be to pitch Hughes, Joba and Kennedy and let them get their feet wet with an occasional start.

Sorry for the long post. I'm sure I'm stating what has already been said but I really needed to vent. This team is so damn frustrating.

2007-07-20 18:31:25
167.   cult of basebaal
158 maybe so, maybe not, torre's history of judging players by there BFoG quotient certainly sways me towards the opposite viewpoint though ...
2007-07-20 18:31:26
168.   weeping for brunnhilde
162 Hear, hear.
2007-07-20 18:32:45
169.   Yankees Brasil
I just hope this doesn't end up like that series in Colorado.
2007-07-20 18:34:17
170.   Sliced Bread
Yanks look like MVPs to me.
*M*ichael *V*ick's *P*itbulls, that is.

Or is it too early to joke about that atrocity?

2007-07-20 18:34:20
171.   cult of basebaal
with tomorrow's scheduled pitching ... it could be a nightmare weekend ...
2007-07-20 18:35:03
172.   weeping for brunnhilde
166 Yes it is. Yes it is.
2007-07-20 18:35:56
173.   BklynBmr
171 Offense saves the day tomorrow. Because it may, and probably will have to...
2007-07-20 18:36:38
174.   weeping for brunnhilde
171 Yes, it really could.

Please God, let us not lose the doubleheader.

Fuck, they should have won yesterday.

Goddamnit.

2007-07-20 18:38:08
175.   weeping for brunnhilde
174 I changed persons, there. From 'we' to 'they.'
2007-07-20 18:38:24
176.   Yankees Brasil
173 not sure about that, not after this performance against edwin jackson
2007-07-20 18:39:35
177.   BklynBmr
Magellan.
2007-07-20 18:39:56
178.   monkeypants
166 "It's time to throw in the towel, folks. The optimum thing to do would be to pitch Hughes, Joba and Kennedy and let them get their feet wet with an occasional start."

I made this same argument in May. But would add that they should also get Andy Phillips and Shelley Duncan (or any other likely AAAA player) as many Abs as reasonably possible. Will they flop? Most likely, but then again they might get lucky and find a hidden gem. I'd rather watch them bat than Damon or Cairo.

Nice play by Matsui there.

2007-07-20 18:42:21
179.   Mattpat11
So, with suck and sucker going tomorrow, we
re staring a four game losing streak in the face. So much for that run.
2007-07-20 18:42:43
180.   cult of basebaal
i wonder if for tomorrow's games, they won't ship out edwar and bring up either britton or brower ...
2007-07-20 18:42:59
181.   randym77
Matsui has always been prone to the occasional klutzoid play. He's usually pretty dependable, but every once in awhile, he does something so clumsy you can't believe your eyes.
2007-07-20 18:45:50
182.   WeMissPaulie
This is an anomoly. Tomorrow its a whole different team.

But Mussina needs a head check.

2007-07-20 18:47:15
183.   Mattpat11
182 Tomorrow's team has two pitchers that may walk 15 men in a combined five innings
2007-07-20 18:47:35
184.   OldYanksFan
We have 2 OFers who are afraid of the wall. Matsui needs to be moved to 1B, at we get an OFer. We may have an OF of JD, melky and Bobby next year, and if JD isn't dead, its not a horrible OF.
2007-07-20 18:48:50
185.   cult of basebaal
ANDY!!!
2007-07-20 18:49:18
186.   cult of basebaal
from hell's heart he stabs at thee, mattpatt!

;)

2007-07-20 18:50:12
187.   Sliced Bread
Phillips with the 9 iron there. Sweet cut.
2007-07-20 18:50:27
188.   weeping for brunnhilde
Cut this Duncan.

Did you see that swing?

Disgusting.

2007-07-20 18:52:01
189.   cult of basebaal
188 i can't tell if you're being serious or not ...
2007-07-20 18:52:10
190.   OldYanksFan
Notice how Shelly tried (and succeeded) to pull a ball low and outside. We don't need more of that.
2007-07-20 18:52:11
191.   weeping for brunnhilde
188 I always rebuke Matsui (in particular) for pulling that outside pitch, but now that I see a guy really, really, really trying to pull that outside pitch, I'll try to cut Hideki a little slack.

A little.

2007-07-20 18:52:56
192.   OldYanksFan
JD played better when he had 3 injuries.
2007-07-20 18:52:57
193.   cult of basebaal
well, at least JD got it out of the infield and it wasn't a pop-fly, that's progress, right?
2007-07-20 18:53:07
194.   weeping for brunnhilde
189 Dead serious.

That swing nauseated me.

(I'm not advocating a personnel move so much as expressing my abhorrence of such swings.)

2007-07-20 18:53:16
195.   monkeypants
190 Yep. I've seen enough of him. Cut him tonight.
2007-07-20 18:53:48
196.   Sliced Bread
Damon swings... and trips on his toe tag.
2007-07-20 18:54:01
197.   cult of basebaal
jeez, cut shelly a little slack, i mean it's only his first game in the bigs and he's got 6 years in the minors and i'm sure he feels bad he stranded guys the 1st 2 abs ... damn
2007-07-20 18:54:30
198.   monkeypants
188 "Cut this Duncan."

194 "I'm not advocating a personnel move..."

2007-07-20 18:55:13
199.   weeping for brunnhilde
198 I was being rhetorical.
2007-07-20 18:55:21
200.   monkeypants
197 BTW, mine was sarcasm 195.
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2007-07-20 18:56:25
201.   OldYanksFan
That's not my issue. When a ball is low and outside, you have to swat it the other way. After 6 years of MiLB ball, he should know that.
2007-07-20 18:56:28
202.   Yankees Brasil
197 Sounds like something Joe would say
2007-07-20 18:57:00
203.   monkeypants
196 And breaks it, but doesn't go on the DL.
2007-07-20 18:57:38
204.   weeping for brunnhilde
197 Sure, I'll cut him some slack, whatever.

He's not really my concern.

But come on, have you ever seen a more repellent swing than that?

It's cause for concern, is all I'm saying.

2007-07-20 18:58:05
205.   Yankees Brasil
Kevin Long must be blind if he thinks Damon is close to breaking out of this funk
2007-07-20 18:59:04
206.   monkeypants
201 Because obviously he wasn't fooled. He just chose to swing badly and try to pull an outside pitch, so either he has failed morally or he is has been fundamentally poorly coached, or he is unteachable. That's the upshot of such observations, drawn on a whole the MLB ABs.
2007-07-20 18:59:32
207.   weeping for brunnhilde
201 Couldn't agree more.
2007-07-20 19:00:54
208.   cult of basebaal
204 nope, never, ever, never in my 30 years of watching baseball ... he's no miguel cairo, certainly ...
2007-07-20 19:01:20
209.   monkeypants
206 "whole three MLB ABs."
2007-07-20 19:01:49
210.   weeping for brunnhilde
206 I don't know if it's a moral failing or not.

All I know is that that wasn't a major league swing.

That was the swing of a little-league meathead.

2007-07-20 19:02:29
211.   cult of basebaal
alright ... it seems banter has turned feral for the evening ... i'm off before i do the same ... tomorrow everybody ...
2007-07-20 19:02:48
212.   weeping for brunnhilde
208 Really?

It honestly didn't make you wince?

All right, fair enough.

Me, I can't stand watching that kind of baseball. It makes me physicall ill.

2007-07-20 19:04:11
213.   weeping for brunnhilde
211 Sorry, cob, I'm just really frustrated.

Here's hoping things turn out better tomorrow.

2007-07-20 19:05:20
214.   OldYanksFan
206 No... sometimes big, strong guys just naturally try to pull pitches. Its common. We freak when Mats and Cano do it. Some guys just never get it. I don't know if Shelly is one of those guys, but maybe thats why he has played his career in the minors.
2007-07-20 19:05:22
215.   Sliced Bread
210 Shell was flailing red-faced, like an angry child, too short to hit the pinata.
2007-07-20 19:06:46
216.   monkeypants
210 You know, it really amazes me. The whole night various people have posted complaining about players trying to pull outside pitches, including some with a reasonable track record of MLB success (Matsui). I know that I have seen many players try to do the same thing in my 30+ years of watching MLB; I have heard announcer--some of them former players--talk about this or that player trying to pull the outside pitch. I put this together and conclude that sometimes even very good major league players--not little league meatheads--sometimes get fooled and make mistakes, and try to pull outside pitches.
2007-07-20 19:07:51
217.   weeping for brunnhilde
215 He was, right?

That's exactly what he looked like.

2007-07-20 19:08:57
218.   monkeypants
214 Yes, we don't know. So why don't we retract the hyperbolics until we see a few more ABs? But for my part, I overreacted to your post.
2007-07-20 19:10:21
219.   Schteeve
I love how there are several hitting instructors on the Banter these days.

Maybe the comments section of this blog should be retitled, "Pet Issue du Jour vis a vis the Yankees."

2007-07-20 19:12:16
220.   weeping for brunnhilde
216 I know, mp, people do get fooled and people do make mistakes.

I guess I just feel like, however good they might be trying to pull those outside pitches, they'd be all the better not trying to do so.

In tennis you watch players return the ball and they seem to have different swings depending on where they are in relation to the ball.

There just seems to be less focus on putting the right swing on the right pitch in baseball than I believe there should be.

It's just fundamental. How many times do I have to watch people tap a weak groundball to second base before I can suggest that perhaps there's a mechancial flaw in their swing?

2007-07-20 19:12:33
221.   Schteeve
Pete Abe has to have a hard on the size of the Tri-Boro Bridge over Edwar's struggles.
2007-07-20 19:14:14
222.   Yankees Brasil
221 He got mad when somebody pointed that out on a comment..
2007-07-20 19:14:21
223.   weeping for brunnhilde
219 Sorry, Schteeve. I can't help it.

That's what the game is to me, hitting.

I watch, I respond.

A beautiful swing moves me deeply and a poor one agitates me.

It's just how I see the game.

2007-07-20 19:14:56
224.   Schteeve
222 I'd be pretty happy if someone pointed out that I had a bridge sized hard-on.
2007-07-20 19:16:44
225.   OldYanksFan
216 You are missing my point. First, I'm not making a lifetime proclaimation of the kid, just looking at that one AB. A few rare players... Giambi, Papi, Thome, etc, can play at a high level trying to pull everything. Smaller, slap hitters tend to feel fine going the other way. And some guys just have a 'pull' mindset. We've all seen it. I DON'T know it that's Shelly. I hope not. But it might explain why he's a good player at the MiLB level, but maybe not ML ready. We shall see. But the Yankee's have hundreds of thousands of dollars in salary invested in professionals who can make these judgements. Just saying that maybe we just saw once what they have seen frequently. But I'm happy to see more of the kid.
2007-07-20 19:17:31
226.   monkeypants
220 Look, I agree with you. But you assume that when a player pulls an outside pitch that he is trying to so. I assume that they don't recognize the pitch, so they are not trying to pull it--they are fooled. Now, if a player is continually fooled/makes mistakes, it will show up in his record (stats) since he make a lot of outs but produce few bases. So, instead of getting all worked up in my living room complaining about the presumed intention of the player ("why is he trying to pull an outside pitch? doesn't he know better?"), I'll complain about the end result (a weak out), and after a good number of ABs I'll make a judgement about the player.

As to how many times--I don't know, but I suggest more than one or three ABs.

2007-07-20 19:18:50
227.   OldYanksFan
"Pete Abe has to have a hard on the size of the Tri-Boro Bridge". Thank you. I will now have a hard time sleeping tonight. :-)
2007-07-20 19:23:50
228.   nemecizer
Wow, just logging in after a night out with friends. We suck! This is unbelievable. Here's to a better day tomorrow, when I am at the game.

11-1. You have to be fucking kidding me!!!!

2007-07-20 19:24:07
229.   OldYanksFan
Frankly, I'm most upset about
1) Matsui's play in LF
2) How badly a 'healthy' JD is playing.

I would rate Matsui as a slighly below average OFer with a slightly below average arm. If we DONT pick up a 1Bman by 2008, I'd rather have JD in LF and Mats at 1st, rather then the other way around.

2007-07-20 19:28:23
230.   monkeypants
Cairo and Nieves--the new m and M boys...er, or something. They're unstoppable!
2007-07-20 19:28:23
231.   monkeypants
Cairo and Nieves--the new m and M boys...er, or something. They're unstoppable!
2007-07-20 19:28:26
232.   Yankees Brasil
Good time to hit Nieves!
2007-07-20 19:28:29
233.   C2Coke
228 Make that 15-3. Surely they want to kid some more.
2007-07-20 19:28:57
234.   C2Coke
233 Wait. 13-2.
2007-07-20 19:29:44
235.   weeping for brunnhilde
226 Fair enough.

What can I say, if I could turn it off, I would, but it's hard.

It's like hearing discordant music--it just sounds wrong. It's not about reason, it's about aesthetics.

All I'm saying is that seeing such poor swings cuts me to the soul. I like to see good swings.

If I were to somehow wind up in the batter's box for the Yankees, I'd hope watching me attempt to hit the baseball would make you cry, as it would make baby Jesus cry. :)

Some things just look wrong to me.

I don't know what to say, I just feel this stuff on a visceral level, is all.

2007-07-20 19:29:52
236.   monkeypants
Nieves with the speed!
2007-07-20 19:31:10
237.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ah, here's the man himself...
2007-07-20 19:31:36
238.   OldYanksFan
OK. Lets watch.........
2007-07-20 19:31:43
239.   monkeypants
237 Be nice!

; )

2007-07-20 19:32:51
240.   weeping for brunnhilde
He pulled the outside pitch, how about that?
2007-07-20 19:33:59
241.   OldYanksFan
He's a BIG kid!
2007-07-20 19:34:58
242.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damon wants the ball.

That's funny.

:)

2007-07-20 19:35:18
243.   Jim Dean
Joe's gotta bring Mo in now. Right? Helps him get his work in and keep the game close?
2007-07-20 19:35:21
244.   Yankees Brasil
Even Damon hits one now.. could have used that before though
2007-07-20 19:35:45
245.   weeping for brunnhilde
243 ha ha ha ha ah aha ha ah !
2007-07-20 19:35:56
246.   monkeypants
Well, whatever ends up happening to Duncan, that was nice for him. I personally would give anything to have my one moment on a ML diamond.

OK, that was funny stuff by Damon.

2007-07-20 19:37:31
247.   OldYanksFan
Beckett threw 114 pitches. 6 IP, 3 ERs. They call it a 'quality start' (4.5 ERA?) but he's coming back to earth.
2007-07-20 19:38:46
248.   weeping for brunnhilde
246 Wouldn't it be glorious?

Years ago, when Kay was still on the radio, he mentioned that he'd had a dream where he had an entire major league career as a journeyman.

It was a nice dream, and the fact that he shared it endeared me to Kay.

I once dreamed I conducted a Bruckner symphony despite the fact that I can't read music.

That was a nice dream.

2007-07-20 19:39:11
249.   Jim Dean
Now he has to put in Melky! Ha!
2007-07-20 19:39:25
250.   monkeypants
OK, I'm lost. Kay says that Melky is batting for Villone. When did they lose the DH if both Andy and Duncan (that is, Duncan is not going in to play 1B for Andy) batted this inning?
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2007-07-20 19:40:31
251.   monkeypants
249 I don't get it. Just fucking bat the pitcher and tell him to stand there with the bat on his shoulder.
2007-07-20 19:41:54
252.   Jim Dean
I once dreamed I shoved a Louisville Slugger up Sterling's ass.

Ok, not really. But maybe tonight!

2007-07-20 19:42:49
253.   weeping for brunnhilde
252 What's he saying?
2007-07-20 19:43:16
254.   monkeypants
BJ Upton > Shelley Duncan.

; )

2007-07-20 19:43:17
255.   Jim Dean
250 Looks like he moved Duncan into 1B and Andy into 3B when he pinch ran Cairo for A-Rod, who went in for Jeter.

Got all that?

2007-07-20 19:44:19
256.   Jim Dean
253 I had to turn him off long ago - like the third inning.
2007-07-20 19:45:07
257.   monkeypants
255 Ah, I missed the Cairo for Jeter (I thought he was only in for A-Rod). MAkes sense.

He still shoulda just let the pitcher bat last inning.

2007-07-20 19:45:09
258.   randym77
I guess they lost the DH when they moved Shelley from DH to 1B. Weird.
2007-07-20 19:46:17
259.   OldYanksFan
235 So you don't like Richie Blackmore?
2007-07-20 19:46:24
260.   nick
guys, I think it comes down to one pretty simple fact:

all those OBVIOUSLY OUTSIDE pitches that outrage us, as we sit in our living rooms wondering why the batter in question didn't put a smooth opposite-field swing on them?

those pitches, when one is positioned not on one's sofa but in the BATTER'S BOX, are, shall we say, not QUIIIIIIIIITE so obviously outside. and, from that position, it's not QUIIIIIIIITE so obvious what sort of swing is needed.

end of rant.

yeah, we're all a little frustrated round here...

2007-07-20 19:48:04
261.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, God, there it was again.

Why is Cano smiling?

Why isn't Abreu calling him off?

2007-07-20 19:48:10
262.   nick
ps--bronx banter, i still love youse guys....
2007-07-20 19:48:23
263.   monkeypants
Hey--perfect inning for Duncan at 1B!!

Abreu has zero range in RF.

2007-07-20 19:51:15
264.   weeping for brunnhilde
260 Yeah, of course you may be right, nick, but honestly, I'm not so sure.

Some players seem pretty adept at going the other way, and maybe it's because they see the ball better, but maybe it's because they're actually thinking middle of the field, the way Jorgie claims he is.

I do think there's something to be said for mechanically sound baseball and I'm really not convinced that all these people who won't go the other simply don't see the ball well.

I really think it's more a question of approach. They're thinking pull, rather than thinking middle.

I could be totally wrong, I understand, but honestly, that's what it looks like to me.

2007-07-20 19:52:05
265.   Jim Dean
Thank God Teabag found a way to get EDSP into this game. It wouldn't have been official without him.

[And I'm shocked, shocked I say, that I'm the first one making this lame joke.]

2007-07-20 19:54:47
266.   weeping for brunnhilde
I think it also has to do with whether or not a player has developed a good defensive swing.

It often looks to me as if players really only have one swing which they try to employ regardless of the count.

To me, a quality player has developed a defensive swing (like Jeter) that's still pretty good, that leaves you with a fighting chance.

Some players just seem like it never occurred to them to try something like that out, or that it's beneath them or something.

I don't know, it's just what it looks like to me from watching the games.

2007-07-20 20:01:09
267.   monkeypants
I rarely agree with Michael Kay, but I think he's spot on about how there should be some sort of league official who is the official scorer, not an employee of the home team.

Oh well, that was all pretty stinky. I'll be back tomorrow for more abuse.

2007-07-20 20:03:51
268.   weeping for brunnhilde
267 :)
2007-07-20 20:13:11
269.   tommyl
Just got back from the game. That is honestly the worst game I have ever been witness too.

Impressions:

Duncan, I missed his basehit (left already). His first K was bad. His second, he missed a HR by a few feet on the second strike. He crushed that ball. He's going to K a lot (long swing), but he could mash. Good potential power threat.

Edwar, yikes. I think that was the first time in my life I've actually felt bad for a major league baseball player. I mean, really, really bad. I found myself scrunching down in my seat as the crowd turned on him (and man, did they turn on him). From where I was sitting it was hard to tell how much he was missing by, but he was clearly very, very rusty. I blame most of this on Joe, but I think he threw about 2 or 3 strikes, and one of them was hit about 400 ft. Its too bad, but I think we won't see him again, at least not until the 40 man gets called up. Its sort of the pitching equivalent of Andy Phillips 5K night against Kazmir (stupid D-Rays).

That entire game from the second inning on, was sheer torture. Jackson was made to look like Pedro Martinez, and awful, awful fundamentals from our side. I'm actually depressed from being there right now.

2007-07-20 20:32:35
270.   Mike T
I feel bad for the fans who bought tickets to tonight's game, and were rewarded with that bullshit.
2007-07-20 20:34:22
271.   tommyl
271 It was really bad. Its the only time at a Yankee game I've wished I was drunk.
2007-07-20 21:07:49
272.   BklynBmr
269 Good writeup, I can feel the agony. I've sat through $%#% like tonight at The Stadium more times than I care to remember, and man it's 1,000 times worse than watching at home — where at least you can shoot yourself or jump off the roof without inconviniencing too many other people... regardless, a sweep tomorrow will make everything right ;-)
2007-07-20 21:12:55
273.   Mike T
I live in Vegas, and the only way to watch a game at home is if it's nationally televised or you have DirecTV for the YES Network. Otherwise, it's off to the sportsbook. I'm glad I didn't make the effort today. My goodness.

At least at home you can just change the channel. At the book, the game is the whole reason you drove there, and if you're at the stadium, you just spent some serious clams to be there, plus the time and the travel. Thank God the Yankees have won every time I have seen them in person. If I paid to see them turn in a performance like tonight's, I think I'd demand a refund...lol

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