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The Cleveland Indians: Put Up or Shut Up Edition
2007-08-10 12:23
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

Okay, now things get serious. Going 20-8 against the cupcakes was a lot of fun, but now the Yankees face a twenty-game stretch in which 17 games come against contenders (with the other three coming against the Orioles, the only cupcake team to win a series from them over that last 28 games). Of those 17 games against contenders, 14 of them come against teams the Yankees are chasing for a playoff spot including this weekend's opponent the Cleveland Indians.

This weekend's series, which will conclude the season set between the two teams, was supposed to be a battle for Wild Card supremacy, but a few things have gotten in the way in recent days. To begin with, the Indians aren't technically in the Wild Card picture anymore as they slipped past the freefalling Tigers to reclaim the AL Central lead a week ago. What's more, it's those pesky Mariners, who I remain convinced are all smoke and mirrors, not the Tigers, that hold the Wild Card lead entering tonight's action. In fact, the Yankees are in a perfect tie with the Tigers this afternoon, both one game behind the M's and a game and a half behind Cleveland. That's a four-team cluster that could be completely rearranged come Sunday evening as the M's visit Chicago, the Tigers host the A's, and the Yanks and Tribe to battle in Cleveland.

The Yankees and Indians last met in April, just nine games into the Tribe's snow-shortened season. The Yankees won the first two games of that series by a combined score of 19-5 behind Chase Wright's major league debut in the opener and what would prove to be Kei Igawa's best start of the season. The Yankees sent Darrell Rasner to the hill in the finale to complete their rookie troika, but Rasner was inexplicably pulled in the fifth and Luis Vizcaino coughed up four runs in the seventh. The Yanks entered the bottom of the ninth trailing 6-2 and facing Indians closer Joe Borowski. Borowski retired the first two batters, but Josh Phelps cracked a solo home run to keep the Yankees alive and bring them within three. Jorge Posada singled. Johnny Damon walked. Jeter singled Posada home. Abreu singled Damon home. And Alex Rodriguez hit a three-run homer to win the game 8-6.

Curiously the Indians were a better team then than they are now, while the Yankees were far worse. For the Yankees, the changes are obvious from the players they're putting on the field. Simply compare this weekend's starters--Phil Hughes, Mike Mussina, and Andy Pettitte--to the trio of Wright, Igawa, and Rasner that started the April series. For the Indians it's more about their level of play. After posting a .635 winning percentage in April and May combined, the Tribe has gone 32-31 (.508) since, including a 15-18 record over their last ten series.

One reason Cleveland has been scuffling has been a lack of offense. Over those last ten series they've averaged just 4.18 runs per game. Now they enter this weekend's series with DH Travis Hafner nursing a knee he injured sliding into second on Tuesday night. Hafner was removed from the following night's game, hasn't played since and likely won't play tonight. Then again, Hafner, who's hit just .234/.335/.388 since June 1, was already part of the problem. The Indians will likely replace him in the lineup with one of their platoon outfielders (see roster below) or by shifting Victor Martinez to DH and having Kelly Shoppach catch.

Less of a problem has been the Indians' pitching, particularly tonight's starter Fausto Carmona, who has turned in a quality start in 18 of 22 appearances and his last seven straight. Over those last seven starts, the groundballing Carmona has gone 5-2 with a 1.68 ERA and just one home run allowed. That's further evidence of how much the offense has been struggling as Carmona has lost his last two starts by scores of 3-1 and 1-0. Carmona also started that wild series finale in the Bronx back in April, holding the Yankees to two runs (one of them on a Jason Giambi solo homer) on a walk and six hits over six innings.

Phil Hughes was in triple-A back then, but he'll be on the mound in Cleveland tonight looking to build his stamina. After throwing 91 pitches in his final rehab start, Hughes threw 92 pitches in his last start against the Royals, but appeared to tire around 70. Jose Molina will catch Hughes as Jorge Posada has a stiff neck. Wilson Betemit gets the start at first base. Despite that April homer, Giambi is not in the lineup, rather Damon gets the start at DH.

Cleveland Indians

2007 Record: 65-50 (.565)
2007 Pythagorean Record: 64-51 (.553)

Manager: Eric Wedge
General Manager: Mark Shapiro

Home Ballpark (2007 Park Factors): Jacobs Field (97/98)

Who's Replacing Whom?

Kenny Lofton replaces David Dellucci (DL)
Franklin Gutierrez (minors) replaces Andy Marte (minors)
Asdrubal Cabrera (minors) replaces Mike Rouse (minors)
Chris Gomez replaces Jeremy Sowers (minors)
Rafael Perez (minors) replaces Fernando Cabrera
Edward Mujica (minors) replaces Jason Davis

25-man Roster:

1B – Ryan Garko (R)
2B – Josh Barfield (R)
SS – Jhonny Peralta (R)
3B – Casey Blake (R)
C – Victor Martinez (S)
RF – Trot Nixon (L)
CF – Grady Sizemore (L)
LF – Kenny Lofton (L)
DH – Travis Hafner (L)

Bench:

R - Franklin Gutierrez (OF)
R - Jason Michaels (OF)
R - Chris Gomez (IF)
S - Asdrubal Cabrera (IF)
R - Kelly Shoppach (C)

Rotation:

L - C.C. Sabathia
R - Fausto Carmona
R - Paul Byrd
R - Jake Westbrook

Bullpen:

R - Joe Borowski
R - Rafael Betancourt
L - Aaron Fultz
R - Tom Mastny
L - Rafael Perez
R - Roberto Hernandez
R - Edward Mujica
R - Jensen Lewis

60-day DL: L - David Dellucci (OF)

Typical Lineup:

L - Grady Sizemore (CF)
L - Kenny Lofton (LF)*
R - Casey Blake (3B)
S - Victor Martinez (C)
L - Travis Hafner (DH)
R - Ryan Garko (1B)
L - Trot Nixon (RF)*
R - Jhonny Peralta (SS)
R - Josh Barfield (2B)

*Corner outfielders Lofton and Nixon are in strict righty/lefty platoons with Jason Michaels and Franklin Gutierrez respectively. The typical Cleveland batting order against lefties has Michals and Gutierrez batting seventh and eighth with everyone from Blake through Garko moving up a spot.

Comments (414)
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2007-08-10 14:46:45
1.   bartap74
Clemens gets a five day suspension, Torre one, and Josh Towers gets nothing? He not only deliberately hit ARod (the second unpunished attempt to hurt the Yankees' best pitcher in as many days) but he also incited the second bench-clearing (non)brawl by talking trash to Tony Pena (who also got fined for some reason).

That's just plain bullshit.

2007-08-10 15:03:17
2.   Start Spreading the News
Looks like Posada is out of the lineup tonight according to LoHud. And Travis Hafner might be out as well.

Arod is in.

2007-08-10 15:03:44
3.   Peter
1 I also think it's BS that ARod was fined.
2007-08-10 15:08:09
4.   Vandelay Industries
1

Unfortunately, there isn't much anyone but Selig and the Rules Committee can do about it. The rule was was written to automatically suspend the pitcher who hits a batter after warnings have been issued. The only way it could be different would be if the Umpire Crew had issued warnings prior to the game, then Towers would have been out when he threw behind Arod and that would have been the end of it. The problem is that the Umpires have no clue what they are doing in this area. Remember what happened to Lilly earlier this season? Had that same Umpire been behind the plate, Towers would have been ejected and it wouldn't have ever gotten out of hand.

2007-08-10 15:10:21
5.   Cliff Corcoran
2 Thanks for reading my post.
2007-08-10 15:12:42
6.   rilkefan
0 Thanks (as usual) for the (re)orientation - I've forgotten April already apparently.
2007-08-10 15:24:29
7.   Raf
I think beanball wars are stupid, but if the players want to indulge, by all means, let them.
2007-08-10 15:30:21
8.   standuptriple
7 I think they're stupid, but somewhat a necessary evil to keep hitters honest and from hanging over the plate. I saw Am-Ram get his feathers ruffled in the 1st inning recnetly when he got hit by an off-speed pitch after the SP had already walked 2 guys. Too much hot-headedness is not good for the game. As long as guys stay away from the legs and the head (which is exactly why Rios got beaned...correctly) I don't have a major problem with it though.
2007-08-10 15:36:49
9.   monkeypants
7 The problem with letting the players 'take care of themsleves' is that there's no guarantee that the innocent or uninvolved don't take the brunt of the abuse. For example, if A-Rod pisses someone off, so he gets beaned--fine. But then the Yankees retaliate by beaning...???

Rizzuto used to tell stories about the good old days, and it seemed from his telling that it was guys like him, batting low in the order, who got beaned more often. The opposing pitcher wouldn't bean Jeter or A-Rod and bring up the middle of the order, so Cano or Phillips would get dusted.

2007-08-10 15:39:32
10.   monkeypants
8 How in heaven's name does beaning keep guys from hanging over the plate? Who doesn't hang over the plate these days? Or wear body armor?
2007-08-10 15:58:01
11.   pistolpete
Foxsports.com reporting Padres claimed Igawa off of waivers - anyone else see that?
2007-08-10 16:02:23
12.   Vandelay Industries
11 We should be so lucky.

As for today, why not start Giambi at 1B, with Jorge sitting?

2007-08-10 16:17:18
13.   Yankees Brasil
1 K looking at a pitch right down the middle and 2 weak grounders.. It´s going to be a long night..
2007-08-10 16:19:49
14.   yankz
11 Yeah, I see it, Ken Rosenthal. Guess that frees up a lot of money.
2007-08-10 16:19:55
15.   Zack
Phil has such a nasty curve
2007-08-10 16:21:01
16.   Zack
Just b/c the Pads claimed Igawa doesn't mean they take him. The Yanks can pull him back. PLUS, the Yanks still have to pay the contract I believe...
2007-08-10 16:23:00
17.   yankz
Well, so much for the no-no.
2007-08-10 16:23:30
18.   bartap74
16 Yep. The Yankees can now try to work out a deal, but they're unlikely to let Igawa and his $4M/yr contract go unless the other team picks up a significant chunk of the $26M posting fee (or gives up someone really good). The problem is, who's going to drop that kind of money for a pitcher who has thusfar been a disaster in the majors?
2007-08-10 16:23:48
19.   Maniakes
16 , waivers mean the Pads would take over the contract if the Yanks don't pull Igawa back. The posting fee is gone for good, though, unless the Yanks can negotiate otherwise with the Padres.
2007-08-10 16:23:50
20.   Zack
Phil still with a lack of control...throwing a lot of pitches...
2007-08-10 16:23:55
21.   yankz
16 Really? I was almost positive that the claiming team had to eat all the salary (no posting fee, of course). Can anyone confirm/deny?

I don't like the Cleveland announcers.

2007-08-10 16:24:18
22.   ny2ca2dc
Phil is missing by a mile.... this could be bad. WTF
2007-08-10 16:24:21
23.   bartap74
If Doby was inducted into the HOF in 1998 and died in 2003, why are they doing the tribute now?
2007-08-10 16:24:29
24.   ny2ca2dc
that one was better
2007-08-10 16:24:57
25.   yankz
If they pull him back, he can't be put on waivers again, which means he's a Yankee till the offseason.
2007-08-10 16:24:59
26.   Marcus
16 The Yankees can pull him back, but if they don't the Padres would have to pay Igawa's remaining salary:

http://www.rotoauthority.com/2005/08/how_major_leagu.html

If the Yankees do pull him back, they can't trade him to anyone else for 30 days.

2007-08-10 16:25:45
27.   Zack
Pitch looked pretty good to me, oh well
2007-08-10 16:26:10
28.   ny2ca2dc
yikes...
2007-08-10 16:26:11
29.   yankz
26 Oh, so 25 is wrong? I thought I remembered Pete posting that, but I guess not.
2007-08-10 16:26:45
30.   Yankees Brasil
27 Thought it was a strike too..
2007-08-10 16:28:31
31.   yankz
Pete has his take on the SD situation
2007-08-10 16:28:58
32.   ny2ca2dc
now that was a nice one. lets hope he just needed to get settled for an inning....
2007-08-10 16:29:03
33.   Zack
Dammit I missed that K, and of course hte crappy Indians feed doesn't show a replay
2007-08-10 16:29:39
34.   Yankees Brasil
was that a slider?
2007-08-10 16:30:06
35.   yankz
33 Is it just me or are these guys really annoying? It's like they really want to trash Phil hard.

My wish for the 2nd inning: 2 runs, then an 8 pitching bottom half.

2007-08-10 16:31:07
36.   Zack
Carmona is a giant
2007-08-10 16:31:32
37.   yankz
HA!
2007-08-10 16:31:34
38.   Zack
Wow, was that a bomb!
2007-08-10 16:31:45
39.   bartap74
Yahoo says 25 pitches for Hughes in the 1st.
2007-08-10 16:31:54
40.   BklynBmr
A-Rod. Strong like bull.
2007-08-10 16:32:19
41.   Chyll Will
I guess A-Rod's over the hump now, huh?
2007-08-10 16:33:38
42.   Zack
blah blah blah..oh, there's a game on?
2007-08-10 16:35:05
43.   Zack
Cano still en fuego
2007-08-10 16:35:28
44.   yankz
Did Cano BB?
2007-08-10 16:36:12
45.   Zack
44 single up the middle
2007-08-10 16:36:37
46.   bartap74
Pitcher gives up a home run, a walk and a hard hit single in rapid succession. Why not give him an out for free with a pointless sac bunt?

Urgh.

2007-08-10 16:37:22
47.   yankz
Were they being sarcastic when they introduced him as "Future HOF" Andre Thornton?
2007-08-10 16:37:37
48.   yankz
45 Thanks
2007-08-10 16:37:43
49.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I wonder if SD would part w/ Josh Bard.

14 A lot of $? Guy's only making what 4 mil? That's peanuts by mlb standards.

2007-08-10 16:38:38
50.   bartap74
47 God, I hope so.
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2007-08-10 16:39:44
51.   ny2ca2dc
49 how sweet that would be
2007-08-10 16:39:49
52.   Zack
Shoulda gotten more in that inning
2007-08-10 16:41:04
53.   Chyll Will
49 "Dayyyy-dream-in'... takes me where I want to be-eeee..."
2007-08-10 16:41:25
54.   Zack
Phil not getting Gbs yet either
2007-08-10 16:43:02
55.   Zack
Crazy high strike there
2007-08-10 16:43:14
56.   Chyll Will
Shyt, why aren't I watching the Jets?? >;)
2007-08-10 16:43:45
57.   NJYankee41
35 Good call!
2007-08-10 16:43:56
58.   Zack
Nice, holy crap 35 How right you were, off by one pitch!
2007-08-10 16:45:32
59.   Yankees Brasil
35 Dude, you have special powers!!
2007-08-10 16:45:46
60.   bartap74
52 Play for one run, get one run.
2007-08-10 16:45:47
61.   bartap74
52 Play for one run, get one run.
2007-08-10 16:45:57
62.   Zack
56 B/c our future is on the mound, duh :)
2007-08-10 16:46:39
63.   Zack
Oh man, now we have to listen to another dude and not get much on the game itself...sigh
2007-08-10 16:46:44
64.   Chyll Will
57 ,58 Meh, he does that all the time... now if he had the six numbers for Mega Millions, I'd be impressed.
2007-08-10 16:47:01
65.   bartap74
Jets?!? Is that basketball?
2007-08-10 16:47:54
66.   Zack
Why Derek, why?? If this is a sign of how Donny Baseball will manage, bring on Joe Girardi1
2007-08-10 16:48:10
67.   fansince77
The Cleveland announcers said that our first baseman couldn't find his glove at the start of the game and Mencievizczksz gave him a glove. Was it a Bettemit? a Wilson perhaps?
2007-08-10 16:49:36
68.   Chyll Will
65 I was thinking of my rare extended version of "West Side Story"...
2007-08-10 16:51:05
69.   bartap74
68 When you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way. From your first cigarette to your last dying day.
2007-08-10 16:51:56
70.   Chyll Will
67 (Psst... here's hoping Wilson's mitt is betta...)

AND the run scores!

2007-08-10 16:54:03
71.   Zack
My main memory of Carmona is Wedge continuing to throw him out there blown save after blown save last year, esp. against the Sox...
2007-08-10 16:56:28
72.   Zack
Oh dear God, we don't care about Charles Nagy!
2007-08-10 16:58:16
73.   bartap74
72 Hey! Just how many major leaguers of Hungarian heritage do you think there are? Actually, I don't know either, but I'm pretty sure that Nagy and Karsay were the only two to play as teammates.
2007-08-10 16:58:49
74.   Chyll Will
69 Real conversation at work after my trainer sees me wearing my Jets jacket on my way out to lunch:

Him: "You're a Jets fan?"
Me: "Excuse me?"
Him: "You're a Jets fan!"
Me: "Yeah."
Him: "Me, too. Jets fan for 25 years."
Me: "Oh... um, sorry?"

2007-08-10 17:00:01
75.   Zack
74 Did Pennington even get a pass attempt in today?

73 True, true, but Nagy doesn't even pronounce his name right...

2007-08-10 17:02:06
76.   OldYanksFan
Birds up on the Turds 1-0 after 2.5
2007-08-10 17:03:41
77.   OldYanksFan
Wow! A's over Detroit 7-1 after 4. The Tigers are really underperforming.
2007-08-10 17:03:53
78.   Zack
Nice high heat Phil
2007-08-10 17:05:06
79.   OldYanksFan
Am I wrong or is Prince Phil way up in the zone?
2007-08-10 17:05:28
80.   Zack
That curveball is a GB machine
2007-08-10 17:06:56
81.   tommyl
Ugh, agreed, if that bunt everytime we have 1st and 2nd and no outs is Donnie's idea of "strategy" I really hope Girardi gets the job.

Meanwhile, Franchise is dealing.

2007-08-10 17:07:01
82.   Chyll Will
79 You're wrong >;)
2007-08-10 17:07:08
83.   Zack
79 Seems a bit more up than he normally is, but most of it was the 1st inning
2007-08-10 17:08:40
84.   Zack
Hughes at 47 pitches, 33 for strikes...On pace for about 96 pitches through 6...
2007-08-10 17:09:55
85.   Zack
81 Let's give him another inning: so far, a rough 1st inning, great 2nd (though two FBs), and a nice 3rd...
2007-08-10 17:11:11
86.   Zack
Anyone with the YES feed been tracking Phil's velocity? On the Indians feed its been 91-93
2007-08-10 17:11:29
87.   Zack
Oh man, I'm talking to myself again..sigh
2007-08-10 17:12:25
88.   tommyl
86 Same on the YES gun
2007-08-10 17:14:15
89.   bartap74
81 I can't help thinking that Girardi turning down the O's job had something to do with a quiet backstage conversation where he was told he was in line for Torre's job.
2007-08-10 17:14:37
90.   Zack
Is our Molina the slowest of them all?
2007-08-10 17:17:00
91.   yankz
I can't believe I missed my magic inning. F'ing dinner.
2007-08-10 17:17:27
92.   Chyll Will
87 Sorry, I was distracted by LeBron James' cool t-shirt. How about that, when LeBron wants anonymity; to just get away from it all, where no one knows him from Dion James, he sits in prime seats at a Cleveland Indians game >;)
2007-08-10 17:18:02
93.   Zack
91 Yeah, I hate eating and stuff...Always getting in the way of the important things...
2007-08-10 17:18:26
94.   yankz
50 I hope he didn't hear it, that's really mean...
2007-08-10 17:18:37
95.   Zack
Weird strike zone for the ump today
2007-08-10 17:18:52
96.   yankz
Suck on that, Victor!
2007-08-10 17:18:55
97.   Zack
Woah, was that the change?
2007-08-10 17:20:16
98.   Zack
Two straight balls that should be strikes...Ump seems to be calling high strikes and not low ones
2007-08-10 17:25:39
99.   tommyl
We are going to be sooooo good in a few years.

Man, Hughes is just nasty tonight. Is that "slurve" thing his change?

2007-08-10 17:25:50
100.   Chyll Will
Sweet... I called that pitch.
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2007-08-10 17:25:52
101.   Zack
Nice sequence Phil!
2007-08-10 17:26:06
102.   Matty B
That is a sweeeet hook
2007-08-10 17:26:07
103.   pistolpete
Ugh, Melky needs to take charge out there...

Way to bail him out, Phil!

2007-08-10 17:26:11
104.   yankz
Ha!
2007-08-10 17:26:35
105.   Zack
99 I think its his fabled slider that he shelved while in the minors to work on his other pitches
2007-08-10 17:27:01
106.   tommyl
97 Wondering the same thing. If that's his change, its nastier than Edwar's.
2007-08-10 17:27:57
107.   tommyl
105 Well whatever is, its definitely a plus pitch. That first one he threw in the first inning, seemed to first break right, and then back left. I know that's not really possible, but that's what it looked like.

Meanwhile the C&C boys continue to rake.

2007-08-10 17:28:25
108.   Zack
106 Nothing like a pitch that literally makes you say "woah" eh?
2007-08-10 17:28:32
109.   3rd gen yankee fan
Melky!!!!
2007-08-10 17:28:36
110.   OldYanksFan
What was that last pitch? Man it moved! Nasty! Unhittable!
2007-08-10 17:30:08
111.   tommyl
108 Especially if its backed up with plus command, a plus fastball and a nasty as hell curve :). So Phil goes 5 or 6, then bring in the Hutt for 2 innings of carbonite?
2007-08-10 17:31:34
112.   Zack
How can we not have Joba AND Britton in the pen? Our BP could assassinate buffets...
2007-08-10 17:33:00
113.   Chyll Will
Where's Weeping? That was his kind of hit >;)
2007-08-10 17:34:08
114.   tommyl
BTW, I think Joba's theme song should be the Jabba's palace dance music :)
2007-08-10 17:36:00
115.   tommyl
Yeah, lets take the bat out of A-Rod's hands with a runner on base. Good thinking. And if he does steal, don't they just IBB A-Rod.
2007-08-10 17:36:21
116.   RIYank
Yo, good bantering tonight.

I'm happy to see that we're hitting well against a Good Pitcher after all.

And, more important, philthy!

2007-08-10 17:38:08
117.   Zack
Important inning for the Prince here...
2007-08-10 17:38:30
118.   Zack
BTW, what ever happened to Jim Dean?
2007-08-10 17:38:33
119.   RIYank
But it's amazing how efficient Carmona has been considering how many hits he's given up. 14 pitches/inning!
2007-08-10 17:39:19
120.   bartap74
118 Cashman had him whacked?
2007-08-10 17:40:25
121.   Chyll Will
115 "Mr. LuvaMan (Joba!)"

If any one else saw that Molson commercial, that's one good reason why I don't drink. Don't know what they be puttin' in that beer to have stuff growing on the floor when it spills...

2007-08-10 17:40:50
122.   RIYank
I think what happened was that as Cashman improved our bench, Jim Dean slowly, slowly became unnecessary. Redundant. And thus, he faded, little by little, into non-existence. This kind of thing happens more than you'd think.
2007-08-10 17:41:20
123.   yankz
118 He got a heart attack after seeing the new bench?
2007-08-10 17:41:30
124.   Zack
F this ump and his strike Zone
2007-08-10 17:41:44
125.   yankz
122 Great minds...
2007-08-10 17:41:53
126.   Chyll Will
118 Since Cashman thwarted him by actually acquiring a BUC, there's nothing left to live for?
2007-08-10 17:42:26
127.   Zack
Like I said, f this ump and his strike zone
2007-08-10 17:42:28
128.   yankz
Oh...damn.
2007-08-10 17:42:41
129.   RIYank
124 Ah, that's what I thought too, but I wasn't sure. Phil's been getting squeezed, right? Esp. low in the zone.
2007-08-10 17:43:00
130.   Marcus
118 I think he said he was going on vacation for 3 weeks or something.
2007-08-10 17:43:55
131.   Zack
Wow, all good theories guys, and totally plausible too, which is the great part...I have noticed the level of banter frustration decreasing lately :)
2007-08-10 17:44:18
132.   Chyll Will
Is the Jake just that kind of place where you're running after a pop fly and then suddenly, you run out of room?
2007-08-10 17:45:16
133.   RIYank
That was a very efficient way of giving up a run. So, maybe he can get through the sixth now. Then Joba for two...
2007-08-10 17:45:25
134.   Zack
129 The ump isn't calling anything below the bellybutton and slightly off the plate, but is calling strikes up near the neck. Very narrow and very high. Which kind of takes away Phil's game...I think that accounts for the # of fly balls tonight, plus a lot of extra pitches. Its a testament to him that he has adjusted as well as he has...
2007-08-10 17:46:25
135.   OldYanksFan
I am watching Dice-K again. I will say this, he is VERY cool. Wang+ cool. He does NOT throw strikes unless he has to. He throws junk around but off the plate, looking for swings. When ahead, you usually get a fastball at the armpits or above. Unhittable, and he gets swings.

You have to wait this guy out, take pitches, take walks and force him to throw the ball over the plate. Even after a walk, he's still the same. Walks don't phase him. Very cool. I've watched him get Ks on three swings, where none of the pitches were strikes.

Detroit with a grand slam. Behind 8-6 now after 5. Sox down 1-0 after 5.

2007-08-10 17:46:48
136.   Zack
81 pitches for the Prince, so hopefully he can make it through the 6th without getting too tired...He should be aiming for around 105 pitches today, no?
2007-08-10 17:48:05
137.   bartap74
Uh-oh. ARod got plunked. Does that mean he has to pay another fine?
2007-08-10 17:50:09
138.   Chyll Will
137 And he has to serve a one-game suspension.

Donnie needs to grow his mustache back; he looks a lot like Felix Unger without it.

2007-08-10 17:50:18
139.   yankz
Carmona and Towers are pen pals.
2007-08-10 17:50:20
140.   Yankees Brasil
damn Groundzilla
2007-08-10 17:52:38
141.   OldYanksFan
118 He's waiting for DougOut's first game.
2007-08-10 17:56:56
142.   Zack
Nice catch Hideki, got a bit nervous there
2007-08-10 17:57:02
143.   yankz
Any explanation for why so many FB today?
2007-08-10 17:58:13
144.   Zack
143 See 134
2007-08-10 17:59:52
145.   yankz
144 Thanks.
2007-08-10 18:00:22
146.   Zack
This strike zone is killing me! Its consistent at least though
2007-08-10 18:00:24
147.   bartap74
I'd love to see Joba pitch in middle relief here - it would be a sign that the organization is really committed to the future.
2007-08-10 18:00:52
148.   Zack
145 My theory anyways
2007-08-10 18:01:57
149.   Zack
Nice last pitch Phil!!
2007-08-10 18:02:23
150.   yankz
Yay Phil!
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2007-08-10 18:02:23
151.   RIYank
Jesus.
That breaking pitch is absolutely unhittable.
2007-08-10 18:02:32
152.   Zack
I swear, if they go to Joba here=best night ever...
2007-08-10 18:02:41
153.   Chyll Will
Cool, I just got some more film PA work this weekend. It's smiles all around tonight >;)
2007-08-10 18:02:59
154.   Zack
151 If they can make contact, its only to bury it into the ground...
2007-08-10 18:03:24
155.   Yankees Brasil
Brower warming up.. damn
2007-08-10 18:04:12
156.   yankz
153 Congrats buddy.
2007-08-10 18:04:31
157.   Zack
153 Chyll you do PA work? I didn't know that, full time?
2007-08-10 18:05:25
158.   Zack
155 Dear God why???
2007-08-10 18:05:51
159.   Eirias
141 I swear, I had forgotten he had ever even been with the Yankees. It is amazing. It is akin to a blind spot in my memory, something that I am unwilling to remember.
2007-08-10 18:07:44
160.   RIYank
Nice pitch.
This is the worst line-up we've had in quite a while, I just noticed.
2007-08-10 18:08:20
161.   Zack
carmona is what, 17-0 on GB-FB?
2007-08-10 18:08:47
162.   yankz
Don't worry, we have a Joba sighting.
2007-08-10 18:09:05
163.   RIYank
(160 I meant the pitch Molina struck out on.)
2007-08-10 18:09:40
164.   Zack
The more I watch Hughes pitch, the more he really reminds me of Moose. Especially with the near un-hittable curve and precise FB control
2007-08-10 18:10:30
165.   Zack
Well I guess its Brower's last chance to prove something. of course, if he f's it up, it could really mess up the game too
2007-08-10 18:10:50
166.   monkeypants
A's choking it up. Oh well.

Joba warming--Hughes for six, Joba for two, and then Mo for the ninth sounds like a tasty three course meal.

2007-08-10 18:11:21
167.   seamus
I haven't seen it. Who took Clemens spot on the roster?
2007-08-10 18:11:23
168.   Chyll Will
157 (psst..You should read my blog sometime >;) Yeah, when it comes, otherwise I temp (bleah)... any way to pay the bills, you know the drill. PA'ing is more rewarding, believe it or not. 156 Thanks, buddy >;)
2007-08-10 18:11:42
169.   OldYanksFan
Jesus... the vaulted Oakland pitching gives up 8 runs and blows a 8-1 lead. Crap. Now Detroit leads 9-8.
2007-08-10 18:11:49
170.   yankz
Yanks were the underdog in this game, I'd go for the kill. No messing around with Brower Power.
2007-08-10 18:11:50
171.   Zack
Nice, its Joba!!
2007-08-10 18:12:29
172.   RIYank
161 You mean on the outs. Pretty nearly. Not quite 17, I think. (And then Melky flied out.)
2007-08-10 18:12:38
173.   Zack
168 You have a blog! Cool! What is it? I guess I can find it myself too :)
2007-08-10 18:13:10
174.   Chyll Will
Very efficient this one is.
2007-08-10 18:13:13
175.   nemecizer
Fingers crossed for Joba!!
2007-08-10 18:13:37
176.   Zack
172 17-1, just checked. Thats just insane...
2007-08-10 18:14:08
177.   yankz
176 Well, it's 18 if you count the A-bomb!
2007-08-10 18:14:45
178.   yankz
Did Hughes walk any?
2007-08-10 18:15:11
179.   Zack
Niiiice!
2007-08-10 18:15:14
180.   yankz
HA! I still hate you, Trot Nixon.
2007-08-10 18:16:03
181.   OldYanksFan
Manny makes the last out of the 7th. Rox have 0 runs on 2 hits. Possibly shutout?
2007-08-10 18:16:25
182.   yankz
What was that, 10 pitches?

Our 21 year old pitchers are schooling a division leading team.

2007-08-10 18:16:26
183.   seamus
What a wonderulf thing to see =, Phil Hughes to Joba Chamberlain.
2007-08-10 18:16:32
184.   Zack
Hughes line was: 6 IP, 4H, 1R, 1BB, 6K, 95 pitches, 66 for strikes, 2-10 gb/fb (really weird for him)...
2007-08-10 18:16:56
185.   Zack
181 knock on wood
2007-08-10 18:17:21
186.   RIYank
178 Yes, one.
2007-08-10 18:17:36
187.   RIYank
8 pitches!
2007-08-10 18:17:49
188.   yankz
184 Still, the .83 WHIP, 9.00 K/9, 6.00 K/BB are encouraging. He's headed in the right direction.

I'm not positive, but I seem to remember one of his rehab starts had a backwards GO/FO ratio too.

2007-08-10 18:18:04
189.   Zack
181 Also, only if Bedard can pitch a CG, as the O's BP stinks
2007-08-10 18:18:11
190.   Chyll Will
173 BklynBmr threatened me that if I didn't start one, he'd come over to NY and do something dastardly to me. Does anyone know what the link is?

Joba, polarizing the ball against opponents' bats!

2007-08-10 18:18:57
191.   yankz
190 seriousconsideration.blogspot.com, duh.
2007-08-10 18:19:25
192.   RIYank
Today the combined age of our pitchers through the first eight innings will be less than when Roger makes it through eight.
2007-08-10 18:19:32
193.   nemecizer
Um. Wow.
2007-08-10 18:19:37
194.   Zack
188 I agree. Plus, he maintained his velocity/control straight through the 5th, and lost it a bit in the 6th...Next start, hes hopefully good for 6 strong...
2007-08-10 18:19:49
195.   monkeypants
Hey, hey--A's leading over Tigers again.

Shoulda PH Duncan for Damon here.

2007-08-10 18:22:01
196.   yankz
XBH!
2007-08-10 18:22:02
197.   RIYank
Cap is out of his slump now, huh?
2007-08-10 18:22:58
198.   Zack
191 190 Cool, added to the bookmarks!
2007-08-10 18:24:13
199.   Chyll Will
193 I know... mean, but clever of ol' Bklyn, eh?
2007-08-10 18:24:56
200.   Zack
Nice Bobby!
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2007-08-10 18:25:11
201.   RIYank
Yeah Bob!

This is a really good game. I was worried about this game, maybe because of the Toronto blow-out.

2007-08-10 18:25:24
202.   nemecizer
You know what, I just saw a beautiful thing on gameday: "Pitching Change: Joba Chamerlain replaces Phil Hughes"

I did not think I would see something like that at the beginning of the year. But God bless the new era.

2007-08-10 18:26:04
203.   Chyll Will
wimps!
2007-08-10 18:26:56
204.   RIYank
Yeah, walk A-Rod to get to groundzilla. Make 'em pay, Hideki.
2007-08-10 18:27:46
205.   Zack
Bedard still in for the 8th in Bal'more...
2007-08-10 18:28:22
206.   Zack
So, Joba for the 8th and then Brower the 9th?
2007-08-10 18:28:51
207.   Zack
Wow, that is some awful pitching in Detroit
2007-08-10 18:29:55
208.   Chyll Will
It would have been funny if Robbie dropped to the ground and did some push-ups...
2007-08-10 18:30:50
209.   RIYank
202 Ah, is that what caused 193 ?
2007-08-10 18:32:29
210.   Eirias
Don't you do it, Bedard. Don't you do it!
2007-08-10 18:32:40
211.   Chyll Will
Yeah man, 28-16 Jets lead the Falcons in the 4th, 11:00 to go...

(ahem) excuse me...

2007-08-10 18:32:41
212.   nemecizer
ME LIKEY JOBA SO FAR!!!
2007-08-10 18:32:55
213.   yankz
210 Don't do what???

God, I love these kids.

2007-08-10 18:33:24
214.   yankz
211 BOOOOOO
2007-08-10 18:34:05
215.   Eirias
204 What caused Matsui to be termed "Groundzilla?"
2007-08-10 18:34:14
216.   nemecizer
JOBA!!!
2007-08-10 18:34:19
217.   RIYank
This is a crazy strike zone.
2007-08-10 18:34:39
218.   yankz
I think I'm going to cry.
2007-08-10 18:35:08
219.   Eirias
211 They are making a good night better, are they not?
2007-08-10 18:35:15
220.   yankz
That odor you smell is the rest of the AL wetting their pants.
2007-08-10 18:35:21
221.   RIYank
215 A couple of GIDP today, that's all.
2007-08-10 18:35:25
222.   Chyll Will
210 Better if you swat him on the nose with a rolled up newspaper or something... but not the Post.
2007-08-10 18:36:18
223.   nemecizer
JOBA!!!
2007-08-10 18:36:18
224.   RIYank
Holy sweet mother.
2007-08-10 18:36:29
225.   yankz
That sound you hear is me crying.
2007-08-10 18:36:31
226.   Zack
God this game has been so amazing...
2007-08-10 18:36:35
227.   pistolpete
OMFG, Joba. To quote Jack Buck, "I can't believe what I just saw..."
2007-08-10 18:37:12
228.   OldYanksFan
Fug! Sox score 1. 2 on, 2 out, top of the 9th.
2007-08-10 18:37:13
229.   Mike T
Nice one Joba, nice one.
2007-08-10 18:37:20
230.   pistolpete
Just think about when this guy can go 7 or 8.
2007-08-10 18:37:22
231.   Eirias
222 Bad Eric!
2007-08-10 18:37:45
232.   OldYanksFan
oops. top of the 8th. RP coming in.
2007-08-10 18:38:12
233.   Zack
Damn, game tied in Balmore
2007-08-10 18:38:15
234.   RIYank
228 No, it's the eighth inning.
2007-08-10 18:38:41
235.   Chyll Will
219 Oh, they r, they r >;)

I'd be scared to drink that stuff if that happened for real... but I would pour it out by my subway stop.

2007-08-10 18:38:45
236.   Eirias
This is nice. The A's and the Tigers are having an intense bad-pitching contest and the Tigers seem to be winning.
2007-08-10 18:38:51
237.   nemecizer
JOBA!!!!!!!!
2007-08-10 18:38:58
238.   Zack
228 Top of the 8th
2007-08-10 18:39:24
239.   OldYanksFan
Did Joba K the side?
2007-08-10 18:39:46
240.   yankz
239 But of course.
2007-08-10 18:40:11
241.   yanster
220 even I wet my pants. Two innings with 4 strikeouts, no hits. Sure does remind me of a certain best-in-the-world closer...
2007-08-10 18:40:13
242.   Zack
Seriously, an A-bomb, timely hitting, Prince Phil showing hes nasty even with his game taken away from him, and then Joba for two awesome innings...words fail me...
2007-08-10 18:40:18
243.   OldYanksFan
Yikes... Andy is sloooooooooooooooow.
2007-08-10 18:40:23
244.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
228 The most pathetic thing is that Whiffy-Mo got the 2 out hit to drive the run in. Eff.

227 "Go crazy everybody, go crazy!"

2007-08-10 18:40:40
245.   yankz
To quote Tony Kornheiser: "If you're over 12 and you bring a glove to the game, you are a loser."
2007-08-10 18:41:25
246.   monkeypants
236 You mean A's winning?
2007-08-10 18:41:57
247.   OldYanksFan
Sox take the lead on a Lugo bunt.
2007-08-10 18:42:02
248.   Zack
And the o's bring in their "Bull pen" and promptly give up the lead. To Lugo. If I were Bedard, I would be itching to get out of Baltimore as soon as humanly possible...
2007-08-10 18:42:24
249.   RIYank
246 By a lot. 16-9.
2007-08-10 18:42:36
250.   yankz
Joba's career K/9 is 18.00.

I hope Farnsworth comes in. That way, he can't pitch tomorrow.

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2007-08-10 18:43:24
251.   OldYanksFan
A's over Detroit 16-9. After blowing an 8 run lead, they scored 8 in the top of the 6th. Go figure.
2007-08-10 18:43:26
252.   RIYank
Okay, nobody is allowed to talk about the Red Sox now. THIS game, here, is one we may remember for years.
2007-08-10 18:44:04
253.   RIYank
250 Genius. Mattingly has to do that for us.
2007-08-10 18:44:29
254.   yankz
Mattingly goes for the jugular.
2007-08-10 18:44:47
255.   Eirias
246 The Tigers are winning the bad pitching contests. They are most definitely losing the game.
2007-08-10 18:44:52
256.   monkeypants
Hmmm...Mo in to "get some work." Is this Donnie's doing, or did he get the call from Mordechai?
2007-08-10 18:44:58
257.   yankz
253 D'oh!
2007-08-10 18:45:01
258.   bobtaco
Is Donnie Baseball high?
2007-08-10 18:45:07
259.   Zack
Hmm, Mo coming in. I'll take it, just to relish the Hughes to Joba to Mo combo...
2007-08-10 18:45:31
260.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
248 Ahem, Bedard's only got himself to blame. He's the knucklehead who somehow allowed Whiffy-Mo to get a 2-out hit off of him to tie it up.
2007-08-10 18:45:43
261.   Mike T
I am now accepting explanations for Mo's appearance in this game.
2007-08-10 18:46:02
262.   RIYank
Frig.

I think Joe didn't trust Mattingly, so he just gave him the formula card and made him promise to follow it.

2007-08-10 18:46:39
263.   OldYanksFan
WillyMo had a very close check swing that would have been strike 3. The next pitch looked perfect, but it must have been called low. I say he was struck out. Then Willy gets fooled on a curve, but does a good just reaching over the plate and poking a liner into CF.

They just showed Bedard on the bench. His eyes were wet. A beautiful game gone to shit.

2007-08-10 18:47:04
264.   pistolpete
Jesus the O's bullpen is AWFUL.
2007-08-10 18:47:49
265.   yankz
262 Except it must've been smudged, and Donnie read "Joba for 2" instead of "Brower for 2."

261 Donnie wants to keep his managerial WP at 1.000 so he gets the job next year.

2007-08-10 18:48:08
266.   pistolpete
Can we have these three guys pitch every day?
2007-08-10 18:48:31
267.   yankz
11th K for the Yankees
2007-08-10 18:48:39
268.   RIYank
Was anyone else saying to themself, "Oh, come on, Garko, just give up." It seemed so inevitable.
2007-08-10 18:48:55
269.   Zack
How nice of the O's BP to allow all the inherited runners to score
2007-08-10 18:48:56
270.   OldYanksFan
Ortiz and Manny will basehits. 5-1 Sox. All with 2 out.
2007-08-10 18:49:21
271.   yankz
Just imagine when those kids reach their full potential.

Mo doesn't want to be outdone.

2007-08-10 18:49:30
272.   Zack
Great game gents! May there be many many more just like it!
2007-08-10 18:49:46
273.   monkeypants
265 Joba for two is a hopeful sign that they will only use him once every couple or few days (ideally for two innings each appearance), rather burn the shit out of him every day.
2007-08-10 18:49:47
274.   yankz
272 Spoiler alert!
2007-08-10 18:50:08
275.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Well, screw the O's. We did our job against the best pitcher we're likely to see this weekend.

Let's go White Sox. We want to be looking at a tie for the wild card, even if we can't pick up a game on the Sawx.

2007-08-10 18:50:28
276.   Chyll Will
What do they do with all the bats Mo crunches? You should be able to build a house with those.

This game was Sa-Weeet!!

2007-08-10 18:50:34
277.   RIYank
266 If it were Strat-o-matic, that's what I'd do.
2007-08-10 18:50:34
278.   yankz
Yahoo! One of the most hope-inspiring games I've ever seen!
2007-08-10 18:50:42
279.   pistolpete
Take this game, frame it, hang it on the wall. All this and Donnie Baseball was managing!

Night fellers - Go ChiSox!

2007-08-10 18:51:07
280.   bobtaco
Edwar = Mendoza
Joba = Nelson
Viz = Stanton
Mo = Mo

Think that formula will work in the playoffs?

Yummy!

2007-08-10 18:52:01
281.   RIYank
270 They're able to will base hits? So it's true, just like Weeping always said. Making out is a sign of weak character!
2007-08-10 18:52:46
282.   RIYank
280 You forgot one.
Hughes = Cone?
2007-08-10 18:52:59
283.   NJYankee41
Add up Hughes and Chamberlain's ages and you get 42. Three years less than Clemens.
2007-08-10 18:53:39
284.   3rd gen yankee fan
278 Wasn't it? I was pretty depressed when I got off work. Then I listen to the Yankees play baseball by the numbers, hit hit hit, move runners over, beautiful, just made me so happy. No one's waiting for someone to hit a home run anymore. And watching our young guys, after employing so many mediocre old guys, it's just awesome what this team is and can become.
2007-08-10 18:54:11
285.   bobtaco
282 I was just going for the BP formula that Joe can push button manage, but yeah, Hughes as Cone would be nice.
2007-08-10 18:55:08
286.   tommyl
282 Screw that, Hughes=Whitey Ford?
2007-08-10 18:55:08
287.   OldYanksFan
281 It may have been Voodoo...
2007-08-10 18:55:22
288.   Chyll Will
Paulie pushes, Kay fall down and go "boom!"

270 It's a conspiracy, OYF, from the commish's office, the O's and E@#$. They're all in on it. So relax; the truth will set you free >;)

2007-08-10 18:55:46
289.   bobtaco
286 or Mel
2007-08-10 18:55:56
290.   nick
ah, yeah, what a game!
2007-08-10 18:59:06
291.   Mike T
O's just scored, one on and no outs.
2007-08-10 18:59:16
292.   tommyl
289 I stay away from Mel=great kid called up in '64, Yanks lose series, than proceed to suck till 1976.
2007-08-10 18:59:47
293.   Chyll Will
289 Hopefully not!
2007-08-10 19:00:11
294.   tommyl
291 You mean Gagne isn't the savior? ;)
2007-08-10 19:00:36
295.   Chyll Will
292 Jinx! >;)
2007-08-10 19:01:49
296.   Chyll Will
Final: Jet 31, Falcons 16 >;)
2007-08-10 19:01:55
297.   RIYank
283 See 192 !
2007-08-10 19:04:36
298.   3rd gen yankee fan
Go O's!!!!!!!!!!!
2007-08-10 19:04:43
299.   Mike T
Two more runs in for the O's, now 5-4 Sox still with one out.
2007-08-10 19:04:45
300.   OldYanksFan
Gag-me In.
Double
Single
BB
Ground out
Double
Gag-me out.
Sox up 5-4.
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2007-08-10 19:04:52
301.   tommyl
So do I want a Hughes or Chamberlain jersey? Hmmm...decisions, decisions...
2007-08-10 19:05:04
302.   3rd gen yankee fan
5-4 now, btw, and bye bye Gange!
2007-08-10 19:06:01
303.   Mike T
No, leave Gagne out there!
2007-08-10 19:06:17
304.   tommyl
Mmmmmm....

Eric Gagne, 0.1 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER

me like Joba better

2007-08-10 19:07:29
305.   RIYank
301 Depends. How tall are you?

It's just a damn shame that we couldn't afford to get some really good bullpen help at the trading deadline. Theo really out-bargained Cashman for that Texas closer.

2007-08-10 19:08:51
306.   RIYank
304 Sure, one bad outing. But altogether for the Sox, he's pitched 3.1, 9 H, 5 R, 5 ER. So, yeah, never mind.
2007-08-10 19:09:15
307.   pistolpete
301 Wait on that decision - the numbers are going to change next year...
2007-08-10 19:10:50
308.   tommyl
305 I'm short, 5'8" and rail thin. I'm actually built like Edwar, which is why I keep wanting him back up and dominating.

Just like he did for that FL starter awhile back. How's that Hanley Ramirez kid doing? Out of baseball or something? or about leading in VORP in the NL?

2007-08-10 19:11:23
309.   OldYanksFan
Okajima in:
Single
Tied! 5-5
2007-08-10 19:11:27
310.   RIYank
YES!!!!
Okajima gives it up!!!
2007-08-10 19:11:27
311.   tommyl
307 Really? to what? and why?
2007-08-10 19:11:28
312.   seamus
Baltimore making things interesting against Boston's pen
2007-08-10 19:11:37
313.   Mike T
Tie game! How 'bout that Sox bullpen!
2007-08-10 19:12:25
314.   pistolpete
You think they're keeping 62 and 65? Or were you being sarcastic?
2007-08-10 19:13:28
315.   RIYank
312 Not possible. Best bullpen in baseball, maybe in history. Once they get a lead, you may as well quit.
2007-08-10 19:14:17
316.   RIYank
My brother is at Camden Yards, giving me Blackberry updates. But I'm listening on the radio so it's not news. Still, kind of cool.
2007-08-10 19:14:20
317.   Zack
Awesome to see Gagne stink up the join!
2007-08-10 19:14:54
318.   Rob Middletown CT
Nice. The O's make it interesting. Great game for the Yanks. Hughes was solid, Joba was nasty and Mo was Mo. Me likey.
2007-08-10 19:15:40
319.   pistolpete
Oh how I wish they'd already burned Papelboob as well.
2007-08-10 19:20:28
320.   RIYank
J D Drew probably cost the Sox the game, by the way. Another of Theo's awesome moves.
2007-08-10 19:20:59
321.   yanster
Watching the O's/Sox is a little like watching Indiana Jones come up against some extra holding a sword - the outcome is never really in doubt. With a 27.0 era holding down the tie, and with a 2.0 coming up in the next inning for the sox, I hope no one is too hopeful that the Egyptian extra is somehow going to beat Indiana.
2007-08-10 19:21:19
322.   RIYank
317 Eric Perdu.
2007-08-10 19:22:46
323.   RIYank
320 Yeah, I'm being realistic.
But, if Baltimore wins, that makes it all the sweeter! And even if Boston wins, how delightful for Gagne to spit the bit like that.
2007-08-10 19:23:03
324.   OldYanksFan
320 Glad you noticed. Just a really bad play for JD.
2007-08-10 19:23:15
325.   RIYank
323 meant to reference 321 .
2007-08-10 19:24:43
326.   RIYank
324 He didn't even start the game -- came in as a pinch runner!

Yeah, the Baltimore pen is showing its true colors. Jim Hoey. But then again, Julio Lugo. I'd say the odds are about even, Batman.

2007-08-10 19:27:23
327.   RIYank
Ahhhh. Lugo can't get it done. Strange stolen base by Cocoa.
2007-08-10 19:27:39
328.   OldYanksFan
O's get the Sox out in the 9th (barely).
2007-08-10 19:28:44
329.   Mike T
I am curious as to how a guy batting .230 (Lugo) earns the leadoff spot.
2007-08-10 19:30:54
330.   RIYank
Lead-off double!!!

I guess everyone here is watching or listening, huh?

2007-08-10 19:31:42
331.   RIYank
Do you (as Tito) bring in Papelbon now? I do. Nobody out, winning run at second, no point in saving him.
2007-08-10 19:32:25
332.   OldYanksFan
Sox give up a leadoff double.
Man on 3rd, ONE out!
2007-08-10 19:33:07
333.   OldYanksFan
Yanks win.
Sox lose.
Detroit loses.
Cleveland loses.

fait accompli!

2007-08-10 19:33:19
334.   RIYank
Awesome. What a game!

TWO great games tonight! I'll sleep well, as soon as I come down off this high.

2007-08-10 19:33:32
335.   Mike T
Orioles win!
2007-08-10 19:33:38
336.   pistolpete
333 Sox lost?
2007-08-10 19:33:55
337.   3rd gen yankee fan
WOO HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
2007-08-10 19:34:25
338.   pistolpete
Oh lookee - Chisox winning too right now. 5-3 in the 8th!
2007-08-10 19:34:44
339.   3rd gen yankee fan
Sheeit they better get some outfielders with arms on that team. HA!
2007-08-10 19:35:17
340.   OldYanksFan
I do feel bad for Sox fans.
A DEVASTATING loss.
Down by one, being 2 hit, and score 5 in the 8th... only to see the GREATEST BP ON EARTH blow it.
Devastating.
I feel terrible.
2007-08-10 19:35:48
341.   monkeypants
O's win while Sox closer sits in the BP--tie game on the road, don't ya' know?
2007-08-10 19:37:10
342.   RIYank
336 I think we must be wrong about that. It's not possible for that bullpen to be outpitched by the woeful, awful Oriole bullpen.
2007-08-10 19:37:26
343.   pistolpete
340 And how'd Gabbard do the other day? ;-)
2007-08-10 19:39:54
344.   RIYank
341 Yeah, that will make New England sports talk radio tomorrow more fun.
Except the truth is, it will all be about the Patriots.
2007-08-10 19:40:11
345.   OldYanksFan
Brain Buster:
What 2 New York baseball teams have the exact same record?
2007-08-10 19:41:38
346.   RIYank
343 My brother, in Camden Yards, screamed out "Bring in Gabbard!!" when Gagne was yanked.

He says he was surrounded by screaming Sox fans, which was making the situation unbearable in the eighth, but wonderful in the ninth. I haven't heard from him since the game ended, but I figure he's in seventh heaven now. And I filled him in (via his Blackberry) on the Yankee game.

2007-08-10 19:42:35
347.   Mattpat11
Going to the top of the ninth in Chi Town, Mariners down 5-3
2007-08-10 19:47:03
348.   RIYank
Come on, Bobby J., tie Boomer's record tonight!
2007-08-10 19:47:28
349.   pistolpete
Jenks has 1 out
2007-08-10 19:48:06
350.   Mattpat11
Ballgame in Chicago
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2007-08-10 19:48:19
351.   RIYank
Jenks ties the record and the White Sox win!
2007-08-10 19:49:14
352.   seamus
perfecto night. boston, seattle, indians (obviously), and tigers all lose!
2007-08-10 19:49:29
353.   pistolpete
Jeez, Fox is always an out behind.

Well, wasn't THAT a perfect night. NOW I can go to bed! Well, after some Wii time that is...

2007-08-10 19:49:57
354.   nyy jim
What a great night for the yanks. Everyone that had to lose did. Screw the wild card, we want the division title and knock the sox out of the playoffs.
2007-08-10 19:50:05
355.   Mike T
So do the Yanks have the wild card lead now?
2007-08-10 19:50:28
356.   RIYank
Yeah, it almost seems too good. That Yankee game stands by itself, for sure -- even if all our (non-Cleveland) competitors had won, I would have been very happy.
2007-08-10 19:50:29
357.   Mattpat11
We still don't have the wild card, though right? Seattle has the head to head?
2007-08-10 19:51:34
358.   RIYank
357 There's no head-to-head for the WC. No tie-breaker at all. It's a one game play-off.

The tie-breakers are only for situations where both teams would make the play-offs (one getting the WC and the other winning the division).

2007-08-10 19:53:31
359.   Mattpat11
Is Gagne on the DL yet?
2007-08-10 19:54:25
360.   RIYank
We're now tied with Seattle, though they're percentage points ahead actually. But we're zero games behind them.
2007-08-10 19:54:52
361.   OldYanksFan
We are ZERO games out of the WC but a percentage point behind (we have played 2 more games).
2007-08-10 19:55:20
362.   RIYank
359 That's not the list he's on in RSN. It's going to be the Sh** List for Gagne tomorrow. I'm reaaalllly looking forward to it.
2007-08-10 19:55:22
363.   C2Coke
What a perfect night.
2007-08-10 19:56:06
364.   RIYank
360 361 You and I virtuatlly tied for that one, OYF, but I beat you by percentage points.
2007-08-10 19:57:16
365.   yanster
323 just want to confirm that eating my hat was just about the best meal I've had this year. Thanks to all for a great night of baseball!
2007-08-10 20:02:27
366.   Eirias
Igawa was claimed on waivers.
2007-08-10 20:05:12
367.   rconn23
Most satisfying night of the season.

I remember thinking when we were down 14 games that I just wanted to see the young aces in waiting come up and pitch, Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy, and see that there was hope for the future. But to see our young pitchers dominate and to be tied for the wild card lead, I couldn't have imagined.

Jeter busted out of his slump, Melk man continued his hit streak and Joba and Hughes dominate. Couldn't ask for more.

Now if Cash can make a waiver wire deal to get a veteran bullpen arm so Joe doesn't burn Joba out, we're in good shape.

2007-08-10 20:16:07
368.   Mattpat11
The pitching tonight really was the present, past and future. I was giddy.

Although, I considered letting Worthless start the ninth so we could get Mo a save.

2007-08-10 20:19:15
369.   Mattpat11
366 AND THE DAY GETS BETTER.
2007-08-10 20:22:46
370.   Jersey
369 LMAO

My thoughts exactly.

2007-08-10 20:26:03
371.   Mattpat11
Something about shipping Kei Igawa's ass to San Diego that will bring the Hideki Irabu debacle full circle.
2007-08-10 20:27:49
372.   RIYank
368 Also, letting Worthless pitch in the ninth would have prevented him from pitching tomorrow. We thought of that here without you.
2007-08-10 20:28:48
373.   RIYank
So, does anyone think Cashman can, with a straight face, ask San Diego what they're willing to give up for Igawa?
2007-08-10 20:30:04
374.   Mattpat11
373 I can easily see Igawa still on the team in three days because we couldn't find "equal value"

I call it the Pavano Theorem.

2007-08-10 20:32:20
375.   monkeypants
Sure, why not? The posting fee is a sunk cost. His salary is only 4 million/year. Obviously SD wanted him for some reason. They might be able to squirrel a nothing prospect out of the deal.
2007-08-10 20:33:40
376.   monkeypants
374 Who cares, if he is buried at AAA?
2007-08-10 20:35:00
377.   Mattpat11
376 He's like a horror movie monster. He's already come back for no good reason.
2007-08-10 20:38:56
378.   RIYank
The Padres have some really nice maple bats we could maybe ask for.
What are the odds that Farns is on waivers?
2007-08-10 20:39:43
379.   Mattpat11
378 He is, but we're just not going to find equal value.
2007-08-10 20:45:06
380.   monkeypants
378 379 He may be on waivers, but that doesn't mean there are any takers. The odds of someone claiming Igawa (a 4 million/year starter who might be seen as a low risk reclamation project) is far higher than someone claiming Farnsworth (5 million dollar or whatever middle reliever).
2007-08-10 20:49:20
381.   rconn23
Buster Olney is reporting that the Igawa deal with the Padres has a 50/50 chance of going down and that the Yanks would target one of San Diego's relievers.
Ummm....

Come on everybody. The Padres are smart to get in on Igawa now because he is bound to find his control. Right everyone! Riiight! (waving hands, encouraging the group)

2007-08-10 20:50:04
382.   RIYank
380 I know.
But if/when he passes through waivers, we'd be free to make a trade. And maybe we could swallow some of that salary, if some team was willing to give up a player -- or possibly we could take a player that another team considered over-priced. Juan Pierre! jk,jk.
2007-08-10 20:53:28
383.   RIYank
381 He'd be thousands of miles closer to home, too, so he'd be happier! And since his problems are all psychological, that would mean he'd pitch much better. And in the NL, he'd like that. It's perfect! The Pads will have to give up a really good reliever. What about that Hoffman guy? Sure, he's over the hill, but we could take him off their hands.
2007-08-10 21:06:46
384.   Mattpat11
383 We all joke, but I actually refuse to believe that the Yankees would play hardball with the Padres over Igawa. I have to think he'll be gone for whatever before too long.
2007-08-10 21:09:34
385.   yankz
If I were Cash, I would hold out until SD ate the entire posting fee and threw in at least two position prospects. I mean, have you seen Igawa's K numbers in Japan? This guy is a once in a generation talent.
2007-08-10 21:10:02
386.   yankz
I did it! I typed that with a straight face!
2007-08-10 21:13:20
387.   Mattpat11
He's a one in a generation something.
2007-08-10 21:25:40
388.   Schteeve
Joba and Phil have jaw dropping talent. Plus we have A-Rod and Mo. If we don't get into the post season, it'll be a shame.
2007-08-10 21:48:33
389.   yankz
Anyone want to open up a Joba vs. Phil debate?
2007-08-10 22:18:26
390.   yankz
Here's Joba:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgWy6F5rnUI

And Phenom:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MzkNFEr0QwI

Mancrush doubling

2007-08-10 22:59:42
391.   tommyl
Ooooh, and Hanley Ramirez leads to a blown save for Billy Wagner. Seriously, this is the greatest night of the season so far.
2007-08-11 01:10:21
392.   rbs10025
354 ,391 I got flipped off by a Mets fan tonight. It felt good, very good.

360 ,361 What do you mean "percentage" points? it's one permillage point.

2007-08-11 05:20:48
393.   Shaun P
So I'm watching this week's episode of the Bronx is Burning at 2AM last night while feeding the baby. Just before the "backstory" segment starts, these words come up on the screen:

"On August 10, 1977, the Yankees were 5 games out in the AL East."

Thanks to Boston's loss last night, on August 10, 2007, the Yankees were 5 games out in the AL East.

Deja vu all over again??? Dare to dream, friends!

2007-08-11 05:46:34
394.   RIYank
From the interview with Phranchise (up at LoHud):

There are two 21 year-olds in MLB. Two of them pitched for the Yankees last night. (Phil said: "That's a pretty cool thing.")

Joba's got the line down. "Just trying to get the ball over the plate and make 'em swing, keep us in the game, and get the ball to Mo..."

2007-08-11 06:50:01
395.   OldYanksFan
"...the San Diego Padres have claimed Igawa off waivers and have until the end of the weekend to work out a trade with the Yankees. But because of their enormous investment, the Yankees are not prepared to simply give Igawa away.

General Manager Brian Cashman would not comment on the report, which cited major league sources, because baseball officials are not allowed to disclose information about waivers. Asked whether he may trade Igawa, Cashman said, 'He might be taking Tuesday's start.'"

OK... I'm putting on my football gear to be prepared for the beating about my head and shoulders I'm about to get.

The $26m posting fee is gone. Right now, we own Iggy for $20m/5. $4m per year. IIRC, in Japan, Iggy was considered a better pitcher then Okajima. Oki is pitching WAY over his head, but at worst, he appears effective. But Iggy has been terrible.

While we have a bunch of talented kids in the wings, between injury and disappointment, you can never have too much pitching. Next year we have 1 slot to fill (or maybe 2 if Andy packs it in) and 2 or 3 slots in 2009. We also have a BP that only has one pitcher we will keep... Mo.

As long as Iggy is in the minors, he doesn't cost us a 'slot' in the starting 25.

Conclusion: If Cash can get something decent in return, dump him.

But if not, it may be worth a year to see if he can contribute. We know the guy has decent stuff, but his 'style' does not work in MLB. I certainly won't miss him if he's gone, but from a purely business perspective, and keeping Japanese business in mind, and a buddy for Matsui, I don't think GIVING him away is smart.

Maybe it's location. Maybe it's another pitch. Maybe it's just his head... or the sunglasses. He may be one adjustment away from league average. Who knows, maybe slightly better. He can be an innings eating. Maybe a long man out of the BP.

A trade for something in return? Do it! Just dump him to be rid of him? I'm not so sure.

2007-08-11 06:59:30
396.   ChrisS
Joba's stuff is nasty, simply nasty. That slider to lefties is all but unhittable. I especially like the way he stomps off the mound after a K. As for Hughes. after listening to his interview on LoHud, I was really impressed with how he comes across, very bright and very aware of what he's doing.

Wang Pettitte Hughes Chamberlain is looking like a strong top 4, but another lefty would be sweet. I'm curious as to what they will do with Mussina next year. Plus with Kennedy waiting just off stage right, the Yankees staff is in good position. The As had their big three, do the Yankees have their big 5?

2007-08-11 07:02:22
397.   ChrisS
395 Meh, I kind of agree with you, mainly because he's a lefty. Maybe he just needs some more time to adjust to the hitters over here. And you're right, the posting fee is long gone, no reason to worry about it.
2007-08-11 07:36:12
398.   seamus
I may be blind, but I had asked last night and didn't see an answer. Does anyone know who was taking Clemens spot on the roster for the suspenion?
2007-08-11 07:40:31
399.   seamus
As for Igawa, I think he has talent, but didn't have to make certain adjustments in Japan and is now paying for that. While he is young, he is old enough that I worry that he won't be able to truly fix them. I'm for tradinghim, but only if we get value in return.
2007-08-11 07:47:38
400.   ChrisS
398 So far the only answer given is either Karstens or "someone" from the minors.
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2007-08-11 08:03:40
401.   OldYanksFan
400 Cashman said: 'He (Iggy) might be taking Tuesday's start.' I believe that's Rogers slot.

399 "I'm for trading him, but only if we get value in return."
I agree. IF we get value. But simply dumping him seems to be a 'knee-jerk' move.

Personally, I think it's partially an ego thing. The guy was a stud in Japan and a Dud over here. Demoted to the minors. The Japanese are very big on 'duty' and 'honor'. I think he is both humbled and embarassed.

Remember the other Matsui? Total Dud for the Mets. Kazuo is now starting for Colorado, with a .300 BA (OKish) and a .780ish OPS. (Yes, It's Colorado, but still...)

2007-08-11 08:23:26
402.   Chyll Will
401 OTOH, There is the specter of FPT Irabu; he was supposedly a demigod in Japan with a plus fastball and control and whatnot, but that didn't necessarily work out in the Bronx or Montreal, and then when he went back to Japan and washed out there as well. That may have more to do with the enormous expectations he had coming over, plus the enormous failures he brought back with him, but either way the only facts we have is that it didn't work here.

Hedging your bets on whether Iggy gets better should be left to someone who actually needs him (apparently, SD). We only need him for one game, if that. If his stocks rise after that, all the better. If not, he only takes up space and you waste a chance to stock up on position prospects (or chips to get some).

2007-08-11 08:34:36
403.   Zack
It seems our friends/counterparts over at Lohud are getting a little ahead of themselves with their confidence. Yesterday was awesome, probably the best game of the season ATC, but lets not get too beside ourselves. Lots of baseball left to be played...

I think the simple thing with Iggy is: if we trade him to SD, he's in another league so if he somehow gets "good," it won't really matter as much, PLUS, we have more than enough pitching depth to cover. So much, in fact, that Cashman will probably need to make a trade in the off season to free up some AAA spots. I suspect some combo of Karstens/Rasner/White/Clippard/Wright/
DeSalvo/Marquez to be traded in a package for, well, something, no? All of those guys PLUS Horne/Kennedy/Sanchez can't pitch at AAA and probably won't get much out of AA. At most the big league club can carry 3 or 4 of them, but thats pushing it...

2007-08-11 08:35:19
404.   yankz
Wouldn't it make more sense just to let Karstens start in place of Rocket? Adding Kennedy would mean 25-man roster changes, and 40-man too, I believe.
2007-08-11 08:45:49
405.   seamus
401 Sorry, I should be more clear. Since Clemens is also suspended for the 4 games between last night and Monday, doesn't that open a roster spot? Who is taking that roster spot?

I'm assuming that the Yankees would call someone up (maybe a bullpen arm) for those 4 games and then replace that someone with a starter for Tuesday. I haven't seen one word about this, and I've been looking around for it.

So I'm asking who is filling that roster spot for the other 4 games roger misses.

2007-08-11 08:47:38
406.   seamus
405 Am I wrong to assume that there is an open roster spot while he is suspended?
2007-08-11 09:01:45
407.   markp
Irabu's numbers in Japan really weren't that good.
I still think Igawa can be fixed. His stuff is good and location can be repaired, especially since he was a control pitcher in Japan.
Maybe they aren't announcing who the pitcher taking Clemens spot is because they're trying to keep the hoopla down when yet another big time pitching prospect gets the start.
2007-08-11 09:07:09
408.   OldYanksFan
FYI:
"Catcher Jorge Posada did not start Friday because of a sore neck. Posada has been uncomfortable for a few days, but the condition did not improve as much as hoped.

Joe Torre said that first baseman Andy Phillips was nursing a knee injury after catching his spikes in a seam in the artificial turf in Toronto this week."

Hafner looks to out for the next 2 games, although he can PH.

I agree that Iggy has very little upside and we are pitching rich now. But unlike Farns, he is not hurting the team, and while $4m is not peanuts, it's not a great burden.

Also, if he manages to string together a few decent games in the future, he actually becomes decent trade bait.

I don't care that much, I just don't think there is any good reason to simply give him away.

2007-08-11 09:13:07
409.   Mattpat11
Well, Cashman has uttered the dreaded words. Under no circumstances will Kei Igawa be traded, because that will be admitting a mistake.

Prove me wrong Brian.

2007-08-11 09:15:07
410.   Mattpat11
405 I thought you just played with 24 men. I may be wrong.
2007-08-11 10:14:16
411.   JeremyM
410 No, you're right--if it's a drug suspension or something like that, you get the spot opened up, but for on-field stuff, you don't.
2007-08-11 10:15:25
412.   seamus
410 oh ok. thanks for that info.
2007-08-11 11:04:32
413.   Raf
It's quite annoying that I can't watch a baseball tripleheader today. Thanks FOX.

I know, it's been said before, I felt like saying it again.

2007-08-11 13:44:15
414.   OldYanksFan
413 Class action suit anyone?

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