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Seattle Mariners Redux
2008-05-23 12:26
by Cliff Corcoran
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The Mariners have the worst record in the American League and the second-worst record in all of baseball. When they last visited the Bronx at the beginning of the month, the fell victim to the Yankees' only three-game series sweep of the season (and the Bombers' last series win prior to their just-completed defeat of the Orioles). Since then, the M's have gone 5-11, with two of those wins coming against the Padres, the only team in baseball with a worse record than Seattle's. The Mariners' offense has been every bit as impotent as the Yankees' this season, and their pitching has posted the second-worst ERA+ in the AL.

Unfortunately for the Yankees, in this weekend's series they won't see any of the three pitchers most responsible for Seattle's pitching woes. Starters Miguel Bautista (6.47 ERA) and Jarrod Washburn (6.99) pitched the last two days, and long-reliever Cha Seung Baek (5.40 in 30 IP) was just designated for assignment in favor of knuckleballer R.A. Dickey. Instead, the Yanks draw the M's two aces, Erik Bedard and Felix Hernandez, tonight and tomorrow. At least they'll have Carlos Silva to kick around on Sunday. And, hey, they beat Bedard and King Felix in early May.

Andy Pettitte takes the hill against Bedard tonight. It took a strong Chien-Ming Wang outing, a lock-down bullpen, and four Mariner errors to beat Bedard last time he faced the Yanks. Pettitte is coming off a bounce-back quality start in which he struck out a season-high seven men in six innings. Tomorrow, Mike Mussina comes off his 41-pitch disaster outing against the O's to start on short rest with Joba Chamberlain's second transitional outing backing him up. Sunday, Wang takes the ball after being pushed back a day by a mild right calf strain.

Tonight, Joe Girardi will serve a one-game suspension for his ninth-inning tirade last night, leaving bench coach Robby Thompson in charge. Thompson lost the two games he managed during Girardi's early-April suspension for the team's spring training shenanigans. The lineup penned by Girardi has Derek Jeter leading off with Johnny Damon getting a day off, Shelley Duncan playing first, and Jason Giambi and Hideki Matsui rotating to DH and left field, respectively. Chad Moeller is behind the plate for the third time in six games.

Seattle Mariners

2008 Record: 18-30 (.375)
2008 Pythagorean Record: 19.5-28.5 (.406)

Manager: John McLaren
General Manager: Bill Bavasi

Home Ballpark (multi-year Park Factors): Safeco Park (96/96)

Who's Replacing Whom:

Jeremy Reed (minors) replaced Jeff Clement (minors)
R.A. Dickey (minors) replaced Cha Seung Baek

25-man Roster:

1B - Richie Sexson (R)
2B - Jose Lopez (R)
SS - Yuniesky Betancourt (R)
3B - Adrian Beltre (R)
C - Kenji Johjima (R)
RF - Wladimir Balentien (R)
CF - Ichiro Suzuki (L)
LF - Raul Ibañez (L)
DH - Jose Vidro (S)


R - Willie Bloomquist (UT)
R - Miguel Cairo (IF)
L - Jeremy Reed (OF)
R - Jamie Burke (C)


L - Erik Bedard
R - Felix Hernandez
R - Carlos Silva
L - Jarrod Washburn
R - Miguel Batista


R - J.J. Putz
L - Ryan Rowland-Smith
R - Mark Lowe
R - Sean Green
L - Arthur Rhodes
R - Brandon Morrow
R - R.A. Dickey

15-day DL: R - Mike Morse (UT), R - Anderson Garcia

Typical Lineup:

L - Ichiro Suzuki (CF)
R - Adrian Beltre (3B)
R - Jose Lopez (2B)
L - Raul Ibañez (LF)
S - Jose Vidro (DH)
R - Richie Sexson (1B)
R - Kenji Johjima (C)
R - Wladimir Balentien (RF)
R - Yuniesky Betancourt (SS)

Comments (97)
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2008-05-23 13:37:23
1.   rbj
Go Yankees!
I'm off to see the Mudhens - Louisville Bats and post game fireworks.

BTW, gas is $4.19 here. What is it by you?

2008-05-23 14:09:27
2.   Shaun P
$3.89/gallon in some spots, over $4 in others.

Great news from Pete Abe!

"Felix Hernandez was scratched with a leg issue. The Yanks will have Silva tomorrow and Washburn on Sunday."


2008-05-23 14:59:49
3.   RIYank
No Felix, nice.
Gas here: same as Shaun. (I forget, do you live in New England, Shaun? I think so.)

This should be a fun series. If we win, even just 2 out of 3, it's going to feel like a real streak and the whole mood will have changed. If we lose, there should be loud wailing and gnashing galore! Okay, that part's not exactly fun. Entertaining, I should have said.

2008-05-23 15:13:27
4.   Schteeve
Would you guys trade Melky for Matt Murton straight up?
2008-05-23 15:54:30
5.   cult of basebaal
1 been over $4 in the area for weeks ... though i just saw an ARCO with regular just under last night

i live 3 miles from work and drive a honda, so mostly i'm just amused by this last year's run up

2008-05-23 16:15:08
6.   cult of basebaal
wow ... quiet tonite
2008-05-23 16:23:34
7.   Yankees Brasil
Not a very promising first inning, hitting wise.
2008-05-23 16:30:37
8.   cult of basebaal
gar ... potential death by paper cuts
2008-05-23 16:35:06
9.   Yankees Brasil
Pathetic. The only AL offense that might be worst than ours, and Andy can't shut them out. Horrible, just horrible.
2008-05-23 16:38:24
10.   Yankees Brasil
And he just can't put away hitters. This is already ugly and it's not even the 4th.
2008-05-23 16:44:31
11.   cult of basebaal
10 dude, i watched tuesday's game ... this isn't even in the same country as that kind of ugly
2008-05-23 16:45:15
12.   cult of basebaal
c'mon ... we need a shelleysmash ... right now!
2008-05-23 16:45:37
13.   cult of basebaal
2008-05-23 16:45:57
14.   Yankees Brasil
I apologize to every Shelley supporter.
2008-05-23 16:46:46
15.   Yankees Brasil
11 You are right, but you know, I'd expect a bit more from Andy against an awful offense.
2008-05-23 16:46:55
16.   cult of basebaal
14 what for?
2008-05-23 16:48:22
17.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Sandy Duncan with the smash...nice...
gas prices here are about $6 a gallon i think..
2008-05-23 16:48:45
18.   3rd gen yankee fan
Yay Shelly. I'm cooler on him now than I was earlier in the year. We'll take the runs though right?

Gas is $3.72 a gallon in KC.

I just heard about Girardi getting suspended and I just can't believe it. Since when can't you kick dirt on an umpire? Baseball is just getting to be no fun anymore.

2008-05-23 16:51:29
19.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
will McLaren get suspended? he was getting quite hot with the ump...justified methinks, very odd strike zone tonight
2008-05-23 16:52:24
20.   cult of basebaal
18 well, i don't think he'll rake over a season like he did in his september at-bats, but this might be the 1st time this season he's actually started more than 2 games in a row ... awfully tough for a young guy to learn the league and learn to be a role player ... specially when he's in the mold of duncanstein
2008-05-23 16:54:32
21.   3rd gen yankee fan
20 Agreed.
2008-05-23 16:54:50
22.   Yankees Brasil
16 I've said he couldn't even hit lefties. Apparently he can, sometimes anyway.
2008-05-23 16:58:19
23.   Yankees Brasil
Andy, on the other hand, looks awful. Another one that he tries to throw on the outside corner and it comes back to the middle of the plate. His team just gave him a 3-1 lead and he immediately gives back 1. That's horrible.
2008-05-23 17:04:43
24.   cult of basebaal
23 again, i've seen horrible, but we've got a 3-2 lead, this isn't close to horrible ... this is ... irritating ... annoying, potentially ... but far from horrible
2008-05-23 17:06:25
25.   51cq24
i don't remember the last good throw by jeter
2008-05-23 17:12:17
26.   Yankees Brasil
24 You are probably right. Bad choice of words from my part.
2008-05-23 17:13:41
27.   Yankees Brasil
Giambi going the other way!!! Crazy good hitting.
2008-05-23 17:15:45
28.   Yankees Brasil
Horrible AB now by Shelley.
2008-05-23 17:16:17
29.   cult of basebaal
bad, shelley, bad!
2008-05-23 17:17:12
30.   Yankees Brasil
It feels great when our LHBs start to hit lefties.
2008-05-23 17:17:15
31.   cult of basebaal
good, robby, good!
2008-05-23 17:18:05
32.   3rd gen yankee fan
Yay. I'm on Gameday so a bit delayed.
2008-05-23 17:26:01
33.   OldYanksFan
Lucky, Robby, lucky! (but I'll take it!)
2008-05-23 17:26:53
34.   OldYanksFan
So... is everyone still on the DFA Giambi bus? Or can we just luv the big lug?
2008-05-23 17:29:53
35.   OldYanksFan
May...: .273 .431 .545 0.976
Last 7: .417 .533 .667 1.200
2008-05-23 17:33:30
36.   cult of basebaal
2008-05-23 17:35:20
37.   Yankees Brasil
Beautifully executed hit and run. Now that's more like the Yankees' offense.
2008-05-23 17:36:33
38.   randym77
Gas jumped last night from $3.99 to $4.19. :-P I just noticed he's batting .245. I guess I haven't been paying attention, but wasn't he hitting awfully well earlier this season? I can't believe he's hitting only .245 now. Must have been a heck of a slump.

It's still early, but so far, Melky's hitting worse every year since his peak in 2006.

2008-05-23 17:37:41
39.   Yankees Brasil
Not a good AB by Alex, but great baserunning by Derek.
2008-05-23 17:38:36
40.   cult of basebaal
not an awesome play getting caught, but great running by the captain to allow the runner to move to 2nd and 3rd!

this is what i like to see from the boys!

2008-05-23 17:39:28
41.   cult of basebaal
2008-05-23 17:39:53
42.   nick
damn! eine klein batmusik! nice to see, boys, nice to see....
2008-05-23 17:39:54
43.   OldYanksFan
ARod is the best baserunner I've ever seen.
2008-05-23 17:40:35
44.   OldYanksFan
Can we just luv the big lug?
2008-05-23 17:44:51
45.   nick
43 you mean for advancing to 2nd on that play? Sterling told us on the radio that Jeter gets the credit ;)
2008-05-23 17:45:37
46.   cult of basebaal
i'm calling it now, this is the year that this becomes a-rod's team
2008-05-23 17:47:00
47.   cult of basebaal
NICE slide by matsui ... damn, what a nice game by the yankee's offense
2008-05-23 17:47:27
48.   OldYanksFan
No... that play was great baserunning by Jeter. It was ARod's read on Matsui's hit. He was off at full speed the moment it was hit. Even when the ammouncers aren't sure if a ball is going to drop, ARod knows. His reads are amazing. Who else who have scored on a short bloop to Ichiro?
2008-05-23 17:48:47
49.   OldYanksFan
46 I think it has already happened, although ARod is not trying to perpertuate the idea ("Jeter will have an MVP year").
2008-05-23 17:48:56
50.   Yankees Brasil
45 Jeter should get the credit. If anything, A-Rod swung on a 3-0 pitch and hit it right at the third basemen. They chose to get Jeter out instead of the DP/allowing a run.
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2008-05-23 17:48:59
51.   3rd gen yankee fan
Wow, this is like, some other team in pinstripes right?
2008-05-23 17:49:39
52.   randym77
Yeah, Moeller! Nice battle.
2008-05-23 17:49:43
53.   Yankees Brasil
A lot of weak base hits tonight. But hey, I'll take it anytime!!
2008-05-23 17:50:18
54.   cult of basebaal
49 i guess i was trying to say that this is the year that it will become apparent to all but the most potted of potted plants ... and radio talk show hosts
2008-05-23 17:50:25
55.   OldYanksFan
2008-05-23 17:52:31
56.   OldYanksFan
50 Read 48 I agreed. I was talking about the next play, Matsui's hit. But ARod does that all the time.
2008-05-23 17:53:08
57.   cult of basebaal
well, that delays the inevitable intersection of melky and robbie's batting averages for a little while
2008-05-23 17:56:43
58.   SF Yanks
Is this all a mirage again since we are playing the Mariners? ... and the O's previously?
2008-05-23 17:56:52
59.   cult of basebaal
2008-05-23 17:56:55
60.   nick
ahhhhhhhh!--Andy probably sits now--is britton on the roster at the moment?
2008-05-23 17:57:31
61.   Just fair
This shoe on the other foot feels mighty damn comfy.
We are thankful today for food, family, friends, and the Seattle Mariners.
2008-05-23 17:58:13
62.   cult of basebaal
60 naw, he's in scranton ... i don't know who is the scrub-a-dub-dub reliever on the roster now
2008-05-23 18:00:31
63.   Eirias
Pettitte has eight Ks? Wow.
2008-05-23 18:01:28
64.   cult of basebaal
60 i wonder how andy will react to the long sit in between innings, hopefully he can go 7 or so tonite
2008-05-23 18:03:08
65.   cult of basebaal
64 hmmmm ... he's already got 86 pitches, i guess going 6 will have to do
2008-05-23 18:09:21
66.   nick
ok, Andy, let's fan 10!
2008-05-23 18:17:01
67.   RIYank
Yo, gang. Late to the party, but I was listening to Sterling for most.
2008-05-23 18:17:58
68.   RIYank
I see Yank in Brasil has issued a proper "mea culpa"! ;-)
2008-05-23 18:18:14
69.   Zack
Who is this team and what did they do with the Yankees?

And, of course, this better not use up all their runs for the next two months!

2008-05-23 18:26:32
70.   Yankees Brasil
68 Yeah! I had to. He made me look stupid. But then on his second AB he reminded me of why I didn't believe on him in the first place.

Anyways, it's all good when we're winning. It's even better when we get to face Carlos Silva tomorrow.

2008-05-23 18:27:22
71.   RIYank
2008-05-23 18:28:22
72.   RIYank
Oh, there you are. Yeah 70 Carlos Silva. So, it stands to reason that having belted Bedard to kingdom come, we'll be stymied by Carlos Silva.
2008-05-23 18:29:27
73.   RIYank
I would congratulate LaTroy, but I do believe the Ms have given up.

And that's three in a row for me, so thanks folks, I'll be seeing you.

2008-05-23 18:33:51
74.   Yankees Brasil
I'm here!
2008-05-23 18:43:45
75.   Yankees Brasil
Wow, Matsui with the cannon!!
2008-05-23 18:44:01
76.   3rd gen yankee fan
Have you guys noticed? It's one of those nights where teams are either getting blown out or crushed.

Here's hoping the A's are their typical PITA's to the Sux...

2008-05-23 18:44:15
77.   randym77
It's Miggy.

The best .176 hitter in the league...

2008-05-23 18:44:48
78.   3rd gen yankee fan
oops, I meant blown out or crushing their opponents. Yay for holiday weekends and beer!
2008-05-23 18:46:50
79.   OldYanksFan
There are some that want to dump JD, and I am not a bog fan, but Matsui can not be allowed to play LF. He made a good throw but still blew the play in the field.
2008-05-23 18:47:24
80.   OldYanksFan
Oops... not a big fan....
2008-05-23 18:51:01
81.   3rd gen yankee fan
All right guys, dinner time. Stay the course! woo hoo!
2008-05-23 18:53:19
82.   Jeb
since I said we would go 13-6 we've gone 2-0 and now only need to go 11-6 to get to 33-31......stay the course
2008-05-23 18:55:09
83.   RIYank
82 Now say something about having to win series...
2008-05-23 18:56:50
84.   RIYank
2008-05-23 18:58:16
85.   RIYank
yes! And Edwar has an infinite ERA+!

And that's three in a row again so I must go sit in the corner. Preferably left field.

2008-05-23 19:02:38
86.   Jeb
83 I think that's implied by the record. We'll split 4 in Minnesota though. I don't want to say we will win this series, but I figured we'd take 2 of 3. I hope we wear Silva out tomorrow so we can play with house money sunday.

Any word on when Jorge is expected back?

2008-05-23 19:09:25
87.   RIYank
86 They're saying mid-June.
2008-05-23 19:09:40
88.   51cq24
why does it matter if we take 2 of 3 in a series? we should be trying to win every game, even if we've won the first 2.
2008-05-23 19:10:07
89.   Jeb
87 Yay, maybe I'll get to see him play....Maybe Joba will start too!
2008-05-23 19:12:03
90.   RIYank
Strange outing for Edwar. But I'll take it.

Let's do this again tomorrow! See youse then.

2008-05-23 19:14:51
91.   Jeb
88 because teams that consistently win series win 90+ games. Of course we should try to win on Sunday, it would just be nice to have 2 in the bag and the pressure is off.

If we'd won 2 of every 3 up to now, we'd have a record of 32-16 instead of 23-25. Wouldn't you take that? Even with our record, if we win 2 of every 3 for the rest of the season, we'd win 76 more games and (coupled with our 23 wins) we'd end up with a 99-63 record. Wouldn't you settle for THAT?

Try to win EVERY game, but always make sure you're winning the series and taking 2-3 and we'll be fine.

2008-05-23 19:20:14
92.   51cq24
91 if we win 7 of ever 10 we'll go 103-59.
2008-05-23 19:22:31
93.   Jeb
92 my points are lost on you as usual. please don't address me anymore. thanks.
2008-05-23 19:23:41
94.   Bruce Markusen
With ten scoreless innings in nine games, Edwar Ramirez is making a nice case to be the eighth-inning man post-Chamberlain. I'm even willing to forget about those glasses.

Boy, the Mariners are playing badly. I can't see McLaren and Bavasi surviving this if it keeps up much longer. They have decent talent, but are playing as if they are the worst team in the league. Bavasi needs to add some parts to that offense, however. Getting rid of Sexson would be addition by subtraction.

2008-05-23 19:46:19
95.   51cq24
93 it must be the opposite because i understand your point perfectly. mine is that 2/3 is just a fraction and the fact that series are usually in 3 is irrelevant to the fact that we need to win as many games as possible, whether that means winning all series or sweeping a few and winning most. but the contrast ends there: you can feel free to address me whenever you want.
2008-05-23 19:52:36
96.   Jeb
95 first of all (as to the merits of your point) this team is NEVER going to be a .700 team. They can try to be 1.000 for all I care, but .667 is the best they're going to play and it's what I hope for in the BEST case scenario.

But you didn't post that for the reason of debate. You're always just rude and snarky to me for no reason. It's always about trying to be ugly and to offer one-upsmanship. I don't know why and don't care, but I really would appreciate it if you would direct your attention to others.

And I won't be addressing you again.

2008-05-23 20:15:31
97.   51cq24
96 i don't mean to be rude or snarky. my point is not that the team is going to win 7/10 of its remaining games, but that winning 2/3 need not correlate to each series (or, for that matter, any 3 games in a row). we can't expect to literally win 2 of every 3 consecutive games, so even if we win 2 in a row we can't treat the next as a luxury. hopefully the players won't treat it as such, but if that does make them relax maybe it would be helpful.

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