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Better Late than Clever
2008-05-13 16:20
by Alex Belth
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Sorry, I'm tardy. Chien-Ming has to man-up tonight for the Yanks and keep the Rays from getting out of hand with this up-and-coming-we're-so-fresh business. Hopefully, the bats will follow suit.

Let's Go Yan-Kees.

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2008-05-13 16:30:05
1.   Yankees Brasil
Beautiful K! Now if only we could hit a mediocre pitcher.
2008-05-13 16:32:42
2.   mehmattski
Giambi! A single! That's going to hurt his SLG, though.
2008-05-13 16:33:07
3.   Yankees Brasil
Giambi back up the middle? Crazy stuff.
2008-05-13 16:35:36
4.   mehmattski
Cano: 9 for his last 25 to bring his average up to .188. Yeesh.
2008-05-13 16:36:28
5.   Yankees Brasil
I fear there's a DP coming from Cano.
2008-05-13 16:36:52
6.   mehmattski
Ah, the Yankees new anti-DP strategy: brittle bats.
2008-05-13 16:37:33
7.   Yankees Brasil
6 Another one of those and we get a run!
2008-05-13 16:38:06
8.   mehmattski
Sigh. Take a pitch, AG!
2008-05-13 16:38:16
9.   Yankees Brasil
7 Wow, not even that.
We REALLY suck.
2008-05-13 16:47:32
10.   OldYanksFan
9 Who's we Kemosabe?
2008-05-13 16:51:32
11.   mehmattski
Stop swinging at the first pitch, please.
2008-05-13 17:00:36
12.   Yankees Brasil
They Rays really look like a juggernaut. Compared to the Yankees at least.
2008-05-13 17:02:07
13.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ok, this is a quibble, but here goes: why didn't Robby set himself there?

I realize he's extremely talented, but he had time to set his feet before throwing to first.

Shouldn't the rule be always set your feet if you possibly can and never throw with your momentum going the other way if you can possibly avoid it?

2008-05-13 17:03:33
14.   Yankees Brasil
13 The Rays' announcers were talking about that. I do agree, but with Robby, I just want him to start hitting. We can worry about that later, right now he just needs to hit.
2008-05-13 17:06:13
15.   Yankees Brasil
Comon Wang, throw damn strikes.
2008-05-13 17:08:23
16.   weeping for brunnhilde
Indeed, hitting would be nice.
2008-05-13 17:12:26
17.   dianagramr
It could be worse ... here is the Pods starting lineup tonight

J. Gerut CF
T. Iguchi 2B
B. Giles RF
A. Gonzalez 1B
S. Hairston LF
K. Greene SS
E. Gonzalez 3B
L. Carlin C
S. Estes P
2008-05-13 17:16:40
18.   seattleyank
I don't feel tardy.
2008-05-13 17:18:17
19.   dianagramr

but are you hot for teacher?

2008-05-13 17:18:21
20.   rilkefan
Giambi continues to not be terrible.
2008-05-13 17:18:43
21.   Yankees Brasil
17 I don't know, they look like they could hit more than the Yankees.
2008-05-13 17:18:43
22.   weeping for brunnhilde
Melky is extraordinarily weak on those sliders and whatnot down and in when he's from the left side.

Man, he's really easy to strike out with that pitch.

2008-05-13 17:18:58
23.   Just fair
13 I played middle infield forever and I like to think I was no slouch. But I can easily say, if I ever could have looked as smooth as Robbie does when he makes that play, I would have done it as often as I could. I would have done it walking to school, playing with my dog, jumping off the diving board, whatever. Setting your feet is fundamentally sound and all, but damn, that play of his is poetry in motion.
2008-05-13 17:20:15
24.   weeping for brunnhilde
23 :)
2008-05-13 17:22:37
25.   Yankees Brasil
23 There's that also.

Poor Wang, he's gonna allow one run and still lose this thing.

2008-05-13 17:23:52
26.   Yankees Brasil
I don't know the pitch count, but it feels like Wang is throwing a ton of pitches tonight.
2008-05-13 17:28:20
27.   ny2ca2dc
26 60 pitches

23 Nice. I agree, Cano is one of the best fielding 2b in baseball, let him do his thing. The hitting, on the other hand...

2008-05-13 17:29:05
28.   Shaun P
26 He's at 64 after Hinske's single, and the 4th isn't over yet, so your instincts are serving you well.
2008-05-13 17:29:26
29.   Yankees Brasil
Another slider left up. I don't even know why he'd go with the slider there. Bad bad decision.
2008-05-13 17:31:34
30.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Anyone know the breakdown for Wang when he goes above 100-110 pitches?
2008-05-13 17:32:17
31.   fansince77
Rays get a run...that's two more than we can expect of these Yankees lately.
2008-05-13 17:37:58
32.   Just fair
Anyone seen NoMaas lately? They have the Yanks at 1-16 when trailing after 4 innings. No bueno. Anything's possible, however.
2008-05-13 17:38:49
33.   williamnyy23
The Yankees aren't going to hit a lot...we can't complain about it because it's now a matter of fact. What is most angering is that Girardi doesn't seem to realize this. He keeps sitting back waiting for things to click, but there is no reason to believe the offense will awaken anytime soon. Girardi's inability to adpat to his team is a huge concern for me.
2008-05-13 17:39:54
34.   nick
with Alex and Jorge out can this offense afford to have the AG in the lineup? I say no; but then all our other bench guys are hitting like absolute crap, except Betemit, who can't stay in the lineup....
2008-05-13 17:41:50
35.   Yankees Brasil
I'll call it right now, Giambi is going to win us this game with a 3-run homer. You heard it here first!
2008-05-13 17:43:58
36.   nick
33 more smallball? basestealing? we're a lousy 12 of 22 so far; we should run more often?
2008-05-13 17:44:08
37.   mehmattski
I think that play makes up for the earlier one by Cano...
2008-05-13 17:44:25
38.   ny2ca2dc
33 What can he do? Start running more? Hit and Run? Assorted other small ball? Just because these guys have stopped being good at taking pitches, working the count, hitting for power and good average, doesn't mean they've suddenly become good at the skills needed to play another style. Wouldn't Girardi just risk making it even worse?
2008-05-13 17:46:30
39.   williamnyy23
36 38 Yes...he can start runners more, hit and run, bunt, whatever it takes to get a run, especially the first run. Clearly, you don't bunt with Giambi or Matsui, but there is no reason you can't try to manufacture in other spots in the lineup.

Simply waiting for runs to come is going to result in more losses.

2008-05-13 17:46:40
40.   mehmattski
I don't see what the problem would be with the hit and run. It's a higher percentage than a straight steal and it lowers the chances of yet another (ground ball) double play. I think they should do it more when Damon, Jeter, Abreu, Melky, or Cano are on.
2008-05-13 17:46:43
41.   Yankees Brasil
36 38 True that. If they can't even do what they were supposed to be good at, imagine doing something they are not good at.
2008-05-13 17:48:13
42.   mehmattski
Of course the "are on" part is the critical one...

...Edwin Jackson is an even worse pitcher than Matt Garza. I fully expect Kazmir to throw a perfect game tomorrow.

2008-05-13 17:48:31
43.   williamnyy23
Damon simply got beat on an inside fastball, which is becoming an epidmeic on this team. Considering the age up and down the lineup, the trend of the Yankees be beat on the fastball is alarming.
2008-05-13 17:49:46
44.   mehmattski
Hinske must have gone to the Jim Edmonds School of Fielding.
2008-05-13 17:50:17
45.   mehmattski
2008-05-13 17:50:27
46.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Captain, thar she blows!
2008-05-13 17:50:30
47.   Yankees Brasil
Thank God for that 'great' dive!
2008-05-13 17:50:58
48.   ny2ca2dc
Didn't Hinske have a similar no-chance ugly dive for Boston? He was diving to the side, not straight in. It was hilarious. Maybe it was Drew.
2008-05-13 17:51:32
49.   williamnyy23
45 I would do it hear just because Abreu isn't swinging well and doesnt hit Jackson.
2008-05-13 17:53:13
50.   Yankees Brasil
Too bad we went right back to sucking.
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2008-05-13 17:53:35
51.   Just fair
43 The list of players who can get good wood on 95mph fastballs on the fist is a short one, if there is one. The list of players on the Yanks who fail to score runners from third, though, is easily accesible.
2008-05-13 17:53:55
52.   Shaun P
I don't know what gets me more. Abreu not getting that ball in the air, or the ump calling the 3rd pitch a strike when it was outside. So of course, Abreu had to swing at the 4th pitch, which ended up being way outside.
2008-05-13 17:54:43
53.   Shaun P
2nd pitch to Matsui, in the RHB box according to Gameday. When are these umps going to stop calling Eric Gregg's strikezone, and call the zone according to the rule book?
2008-05-13 17:54:59
54.   williamnyy23
49 I think Girardi is simply waiting for something that isn't going to come.

51 That list used to include names like Damon, Jeter, Abreu and Giambi. I wonder if it still does.

2008-05-13 17:55:17
55.   tommyl
For the love of G-d, get Jeter home.
2008-05-13 17:56:44
56.   Mattpat11
This is embarrassing.
2008-05-13 17:57:26
57.   Just fair
The only way Jeter could have scored from third with 1 or 2 outs is on another triple. : ) Bullocks.
2008-05-13 17:58:05
58.   Yankees Brasil
This inning really sums up the season so far.
2008-05-13 17:58:49
59.   williamnyy23
56 I don't know if embarrassing is the right word because I am not so sure the offense is underpeforming.
2008-05-13 17:59:33
60.   Mattpat11
Its past time to fire Kevin Long.
2008-05-13 17:59:47
61.   Max
I see our high-octane offense continues to impress. How the hell do you squander a triple...oh, never mind.
2008-05-13 18:00:26
62.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
57 Bullocks? as in Jm J?? where's Ted Knight when you need a good meltdown in the clubhouse...
2008-05-13 18:00:37
63.   nick
if averaging zero runs per inning is an accurate reflection of our true talent, then we're not underperforming.
2008-05-13 18:02:00
64.   Yankees Brasil
60 Poor guy, not his fault. He ain't the one up there (not) hitting.
2008-05-13 18:03:25
65.   OldYanksFan
65 It's time to fire Joe Torre!
2008-05-13 18:03:26
66.   williamnyy23
60 I think part of the problem is an abandoned patient approach, but I fear the real problem is a bunch of 34 year old batters collectively entering the downturn phase of their careers. Sometimes, the latter feeds into the former.
2008-05-13 18:04:17
67.   Yankee Fan In Boston
62 wow. you just did that. genius.
2008-05-13 18:04:37
68.   Just fair
62 Bullocks is used in Irleland and other parts of Europe instead of saying "balls." I've always like it since "Never mind the Bullocks" by the Sex Pistols. Now, back to your regularly scheduled shutout.
2008-05-13 18:05:48
69.   Shaun P
Number of pitches outside the zone, according to Gameday:

1st pitch to Abreu (1st inning)
2nd pitch to Matsui (1st inning)
1st pitch to Iwamura (1st)
2nd pitch to Giambi (2nd)
1st pitch to Hinske (2nd)
1st pitch to Navarro (3rd)
2nd pitch to Abreu (4th)
2nd pitch to Floyd (4th)
3rd pitch to Abreu (6th)
2nd pitch to Matsui (6th)

10, out of 19 called strikes total. This is, to me, inexcusable.

2008-05-13 18:06:28
70.   williamnyy23
65 It looks like they didn't.

Seriously, I think even Torre's biggest fans have to be happy he is gone because if things were the same, things could have gotten ugly, making last year's departure look completely amicable. The problem with Girardi is he seems to be the spitting image of Torre.

2008-05-13 18:07:09
71.   williamnyy23
68 It's also Gordon Ramsey's favorite expression.
2008-05-13 18:07:18
72.   Yankees Brasil
Good God. Just a single?
2008-05-13 18:07:54
73.   Yankee Fan In Boston
68 jm j. bullock was an "actor" in the states in the '70s. he was on a show with mr. knight.

a really obscure and irresistible reference.

that was more entertaining than this game.

the comment, not the show... well... maybe the show...

2008-05-13 18:08:02
74.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
[67,68] I know, just thought the spelling was "bollocks"..anyway, more fun learning etymology or talking about sitcoms than following this offensive nightmare..
2008-05-13 18:09:03
75.   ny2ca2dc
70 Except for the standard no-closer-in-tie-game-on-road bugaboo, Girardi has run a good BP. The load has been spread much better.
2008-05-13 18:10:34
76.   williamnyy23
75 He has done that, but then again, most of the relievers have pitched well. What's more, the no closer in a tie game is very important and has cost the team atleast one win this season. When you are struggling, a manager who can steal a win or two is a big asset.
2008-05-13 18:11:06
77.   ny2ca2dc
That's an ugly strike zone. Damn. Even Cano thought it was a ball!
2008-05-13 18:11:20
78.   williamnyy23
Melky has speed...Jackson hasn't thrown over...would sending the runner be so bad?
2008-05-13 18:11:41
79.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
73 Hey YFIB, as kid of the late 70s and 80s I sneakily watched wayyy too many sitcoms. I seem to remember the daughters on that show being real hot to a 12 year old..also, wasn't JM J a regular on the "new" Hollywood Squares?
2008-05-13 18:12:41
80.   Yankee Fan In Boston
79 yes. hollywood squares. a center square regular.
2008-05-13 18:13:09
81.   williamnyy23
The Yankees need Cosmic Cow on offense.
2008-05-13 18:13:45
82.   mehmattski
hey, a hit and run!

and a pinch hitter! Girardi awakens!

2008-05-13 18:14:07
83.   williamnyy23
This move makes no sense...AG has struck the ball, if they walk Duncan, what do the Yankees do about Molina?
2008-05-13 18:14:56
84.   ny2ca2dc
Hey look, Girardi trying to score runs any way he can.
2008-05-13 18:14:58
85.   Yankees Brasil
83 We pray!
2008-05-13 18:15:46
86.   OldYanksFan
Beckett pulled after 5.2 IP. 5 ERs, 11 Hs. Birds up 5-3 after 6.
2008-05-13 18:16:25
87.   Yankees Brasil
Shelley doesn't look like a major league hitter.
2008-05-13 18:17:26
88.   Mattpat11
This is just a bad baseball team.
2008-05-13 18:17:27
89.   williamnyy23
Im glad we got to see the replay instead of the fastball down the middle.
2008-05-13 18:18:02
90.   nick
a bullock is a steer, that is, a castrated bull raised for beef; while the current yankee lineup certainly lack bollocks, they might, on the other hand, be accurately described as bullocks....
2008-05-13 18:18:42
91.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
80 Hollywood Squares..classic. all the "variety" shows here in Japan are like that, b-list celebrities acting stupid, about 80% of the programming...and still more entertaining than our lineup this game...
2008-05-13 18:18:53
92.   williamnyy23
Where is Hank...if not Girardi, it would be nice to have some explode. Who knows...maybe a tirade will get someone's attention.
2008-05-13 18:19:13
93.   Yankees Brasil
Misses a fat slider down the middle on the first pitch of the AB then watch a fastball in there for called strike three. Great times when people thought he was better than Giambi.
2008-05-13 18:19:44
94.   cult of basebaal
68 i've always seen it spelled as "bollocks" ... fwiw, that's how it's spelled on the album as well
2008-05-13 18:20:02
95.   Just fair
Bullocks Bollocks
Tomatoes Tomatoes
18-19 18-20
2008-05-13 18:20:28
96.   cult of basebaal
94 ah, others were there ahead of me ... carry on
2008-05-13 18:20:42
97.   williamnyy23
I might have taken this opportunity to put Moeller in the 8th slot and have Ensberg lead off next inning. Having Molina lead off seems like giving away one of the remaining 6 outs.
2008-05-13 18:21:00
98.   nick
kinda sad, that they didn't even think shelley was worth a reliever, what with Jackson's pitch count over 100--
2008-05-13 18:21:30
99.   Mattpat11
I'm listening on the radio. Please tell me Duncan wasn't sitting breaking ball.
2008-05-13 18:21:41
100.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
97 seeing those three names as the options just made me cry..
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2008-05-13 18:21:59
101.   tommyl
Well at least we have Joba to protect that 8th inning lead! Oh wait...
2008-05-13 18:23:00
102.   cult of basebaal
hey ... at least the minor league news is interesting ... cox to AAA, melancon to AA and horne says he's ready to come back

yeesh, this lineup is offal

2008-05-13 18:23:24
103.   williamnyy23
99 He looked to be sitting fastball, which was a shame because Jackson came with three off-speed. Then, it looks like he switched and was sitting breaking ball, which was also a shame because Jackson then decided to throw one down the middle.
2008-05-13 18:24:35
104.   williamnyy23
100 Yes, it is sad, but Ensberg is at least a little better than Molina. I wonder if Girardi even contemplated the option?
2008-05-13 18:25:31
105.   Yankees Brasil
99 He was sitting screwball. Or Knuckleball. Or something like that. He looked surprised when he threw sliders or that FB.
2008-05-13 18:26:18
106.   Yankee Fan In Boston
104 if wang is staying in for the long haul, maybe he likes molina calling wang's pitches better than moeller. that is all i can come up with.
2008-05-13 18:26:21
107.   Mattpat11
103 If I was a major league manager, I'd fine every player I saw sitting breaking pitch. Especially with two fucking strikes. Its infuriating.
2008-05-13 18:27:01
108.   tommyl
Wang goes 7 innings, gives up 1 run and is in line for loss. What are we the 2005 Astros?
2008-05-13 18:27:20
109.   Yankees Brasil
How many pitches for Wang?
2008-05-13 18:28:14
110.   williamnyy23
106 Even that would be a bad reason. I really hope someone asks Girardi after the game.
2008-05-13 18:29:07
111.   Yankees Brasil
That was not a strike.
2008-05-13 18:30:22
112.   Yankees Brasil
Remember when we used to have a catcher who could hit?
2008-05-13 18:30:45
113.   Yankee Fan In Boston
110 i know. you need a run.
2008-05-13 18:31:09
114.   williamnyy23
Seeing Joba warming, my first reaction was why would you waste him in a game like this...that's how anemic this offense has been. Scoring one run seems like a monumental effort.
2008-05-13 18:31:09
115.   Just fair
Wow. That was nearly horrendous.
2008-05-13 18:31:43
116.   ny2ca2dc
Would be nice to see Joba finish this one out, the Rays BP presumably still ain't so hot.
2008-05-13 18:32:36
117.   williamnyy23
I don't know what's uglier...looking at the Yankees lineup or their next three mound opponents. That's a recipe for a no-hitter.
2008-05-13 18:33:55
118.   Yankees Brasil
It seems like every single Yankee hitter is quickly 0-2. Can't be successful playing like that.
2008-05-13 18:34:25
119.   williamnyy23
116 Actually, it's been very good...regardless, the Yankee offense is so bad even the old Rays bullpen would be fine.

I am very worried about Jeter. I am sure Orioles fans though Ripken would be an All Star forever, but then he entered his 30s.

2008-05-13 18:35:06
120.   Yankees Brasil
117 I was thinking that too. But watch the Yankees go out tomorrow and score 5 runs in 4 innings against Kazmir just to tease us. Then they'll go back to sucking for the next 5 games.
2008-05-13 18:36:06
121.   Alex Belth
Another admirable outing from Wang...looks like they are gunna waste it. Do you have any faith in these dudes to combe back in the 9th? C'MON!!!!!!!
2008-05-13 18:37:11
122.   Mattpat11
121 None.
2008-05-13 18:38:43
123.   Yankees Brasil
That right there is crazy. That pitch (first one to Pena) was called a strike all game long for Jackson. Joba throws it right there and it's not a strike anymore. This ump is really bad.
2008-05-13 18:39:59
124.   tommyl
121 Um, no. I hope I'm proven wrong. Alex, come back, please, pretty please. When can Jorge DH?
2008-05-13 18:40:21
125.   williamnyy23
123 I wish I could blame this performance on bad umpiring.
2008-05-13 18:41:20
126.   tommyl
125 So william, still room for me on the pessimism couch? I'm starting to come around to your point of view, sigh.
2008-05-13 18:41:56
127.   Yankees Brasil
Joba trying to make sure the Yankees can't win this for good.
2008-05-13 18:42:29
128.   williamnyy23
Joba doesn't look very good...he hasn't really looked like himself in a while. The sooner they get him on track to being a starter the better. Unfortunately, it looks like the Yankee offense is going to allow that happen.
2008-05-13 18:43:49
129.   tommyl
Must be that dome wind.
2008-05-13 18:44:44
130.   Zavo
Do the Yanks have a single come from behind victory this season (trailing after 6 inn)? I can't remember one.
2008-05-13 18:44:45
131.   williamnyy23
126 I don't think I was every being pessimistic, just realistic. Sadly, I saw signs of this dating back to the Chicago series. Even more sadly, I am almost past the anger portion of the season and am ready to move on the what can we do to make sure next season is better. It is too early to give up, especially before we see what's the deal with Arod, but if this was any other team, I would be comfortably predicting they were not making the playoffs.
2008-05-13 18:45:31
132.   williamnyy23
130 No! They have 1 come from behind when trailing after 4...yes, after 4.
2008-05-13 18:49:15
133.   tommyl
131 Fair enough, but watching this team is starting to get depressing. Do something guys!
2008-05-13 18:49:57
134.   tommyl
1 out
2008-05-13 18:50:48
135.   Zavo
Thanks William. Of all the early frustrations that is one of the bigger ones for me. Once they get down it seems like they just don't have it in them to come back.

I guess they just look lethargic because they aren't going well, but damn, this team looks old.

2008-05-13 18:51:54
136.   Mattpat11
2008-05-13 18:52:03
137.   tommyl
Holy shit! Love being proven wrong!
2008-05-13 18:52:12
138.   williamnyy23
Now, Jason needs to go back-to-back.
2008-05-13 18:52:15
139.   ny2ca2dc
2008-05-13 18:52:33
140.   mehmattski

Oh good, I was worried that I'd have to find something else to do tonight, with this game finishing so quickly. I imagine this game should go about 15, 16 innings now.

Let the questions begin: Joba for 2, or Mo in a tie game on the road?

2008-05-13 18:52:35
141.   ny2ca2dc
If they don't go ahead, do you go right to rivera, or Joba for another?
2008-05-13 18:52:42
142.   Yankees Brasil
Hideki! Now Giambi is gonna win this for us!
2008-05-13 18:52:44
143.   tommyl
Hmmm...tie game on the road...Joba for 2? or Mo?
2008-05-13 18:52:57
144.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
BANZAI!!!! 松井出来ました!!
2008-05-13 18:53:21
145.   Zavo
Love the (completely unintentional) reverse jinx. Now lets get some more and win this thing.
2008-05-13 18:53:57
146.   williamnyy23
Smart pitching by Percival...Giambi finally looks dangerous at the plate and the Yankees can't pinch run.
2008-05-13 18:53:57
147.   pistolpete
Even under the circumstances, this team is way too subdued. Other teams would be jumping around in the dugout, these guys are just grinning... lol
2008-05-13 18:54:00
148.   nick
godzilla! & yes, one more from Joba in a tie....
2008-05-13 18:54:14
149.   mehmattski
I'm sorry, Jeter showed waaaaaay too much emotion on the bench there. Raising his arms at a game-tying home run in May? Inexcusable for a professional. This isn't girl's softball!
/Chris Russo (or Nelson Figueroa)

Oh god, no. Not Kyle Farnsworth. I guess it will be an early night after all...

2008-05-13 18:54:28
150.   Shaun P

C'mon Melky, let's bring it home!

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2008-05-13 18:54:58
151.   williamnyy23
149 Did you see him up?
2008-05-13 18:55:31
152.   pistolpete
149 I guess we're still under 'Torre rules' per the closer.
2008-05-13 18:56:45
153.   williamnyy23
Crap...second time Melky did little with a 2-0 count. He was due for a little slide, but the Yankees can hardly afford it.
2008-05-13 18:57:27
154.   pistolpete
Cano's forgiven for everything if he drives in Giambi here. ;-)
2008-05-13 18:57:39
155.   Yankees Brasil
Melky had him 2-0, then watches 2 FBs down the middle before swinging at one in on the hands. Pathetic.
2008-05-13 18:58:27
156.   mehmattski
151 YES showed him warming up during Melky's at bat.

You know, in that 10 inning Jays-Indians game last night, the one with both the CI and the UTP, the Jay's manager went with BJ Ryan in a tie game on the road, and then went with Scott Downs later on with a lead. It was Downs' fourth save, to Ryans' five, so maybe it was like the Yankees' situation, with two solid relievers. I guess some managers do the right think.

Bringing in Kyle Farnsworth is not the right thing.

2008-05-13 18:59:01
157.   Yankees Brasil
And here go, quickly on a 2 strike count. Great.
2008-05-13 18:59:42
158.   williamnyy23
156 Kyle's inning is the 12th. If he appears anytime before then, my honeymoon with Girardi will be over.
2008-05-13 19:00:15
159.   Yankees Brasil
I say let Joba pitch another inning.
2008-05-13 19:00:57
160.   mehmattski
Unless Mo is somehow hurt, bringing in Kyle Farnsworth would be on the "Torre Loss" level. Even if Mo is somehow hurt, Joba should be going two innings.
2008-05-13 19:01:16
161.   OldYanksFan
Giambi's last 7 games: .313 .421 .875 1.296.
Add to that today's 2 for 2 with 2 BBs.
Do we still DFA him?
2008-05-13 19:02:08
162.   ny2ca2dc
161 Maybe he COULD bring something in a trade...
2008-05-13 19:02:17
163.   Yankees Brasil
Horrible swing on a ball that was probably going to bounce. Cano's just great.
2008-05-13 19:03:40
164.   ny2ca2dc
OMG, it really is farns. this is an awful move. awful
2008-05-13 19:03:44
165.   nick
if we're going to stretch Joba, another inning is obviously right here--what higher leverage situation?
2008-05-13 19:03:57
166.   tommyl
2008-05-13 19:04:09
167.   mehmattski
One pitch, one scary fly ball out.
2008-05-13 19:04:17
168.   nick
it's really Farns!? Girardi loss.
2008-05-13 19:04:30
169.   Yankees Brasil
Great. Why not let Joba go another one? He needs to be stretched. Nobody wants to see Farnswack. It's a perfect situation.
2008-05-13 19:04:37
170.   williamnyy23
I am not sure what to's depressing to watch a struggling offense, but angering to watch bad managing.
2008-05-13 19:05:12
171.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
I cannot follow Gameday anymore if Farnsworth is can this be happening? My heart..I'm coming to you Elizabeth...
2008-05-13 19:05:53
172.   tommyl
Just Kyle being Kyle
2008-05-13 19:06:02
173.   williamnyy23
171 He is...the only explanation is that the Yankees made a mistake hiring Girardi.
2008-05-13 19:06:34
174.   Yankees Brasil
Clueless Joe? It's almost like you never went away!
2008-05-13 19:06:47
175.   pistolpete
The only suspense in the game now is if they win the game on a HR or not...
2008-05-13 19:07:13
176.   williamnyy23
When you have Joba and Mo, you shouldn't have a pitcher who needs a trip from the pitching coach after a 1 out walk.
2008-05-13 19:07:27
177.   OldYanksFan
"I'm coming to you Elizabeth... "
Remember that funky Sanford and Son theme song? Would be good for the Yankees theme song this year.
And Farnsworth walks one!
2008-05-13 19:08:18
178.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
177 Quincy Jones composition! would be a great song to walk to the plate with
2008-05-13 19:08:42
179.   OldYanksFan
It's 5-4 Birds in the 9th. Sox BLOW a bases loaded, no out, Manny up situation. Papi leads off the 9th. Stay tuned.
2008-05-13 19:08:44
180.   williamnyy23
Remember guys...don't blame Farnsworth here...he didn't bring himself into the game.
2008-05-13 19:09:09
181.   tommyl
If Kyle somehow wriggles out of this will we be seeing LaTroy for the 10th? This is a joke.
2008-05-13 19:09:47
182.   tommyl
180 I don't blame him, though I realize he sucks. Trust me, my anger is directed like a laser beam at Girardi.
2008-05-13 19:09:49
183.   williamnyy23
179 The Yankees are a good distance from the Rays...the Sox are off my radar right now.
2008-05-13 19:09:59
184.   Just fair
Joba was shaky in the 8th and Kyle has not completely imploded lately. So on to the 10th we go.
2008-05-13 19:10:04
185.   pistolpete
annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd exhale everybody.
2008-05-13 19:10:16
186.   OldYanksFan
Really stupid to take Joba out. Mo for 2 if needed?
2008-05-13 19:10:24
187.   Shaun P
156 Well, Gibbons has to do something right. Though I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from Downs having 4 saves though; Ryan is coming back from TJ surgery, and hasn't been able to pitch frequently.

Yeah, boo, Farnsworth, blah blah - except he's pitched well this year, and this is where he should be used: 7th hitter, 8th hitter, 9th hitter. Very low leverage situation. I'd like to see Joba go another inning, but since he's not - why burn Mo here?

Its one thing to not use Mo in a tie game on the road when its, oh, Game 4 of the Serious, and your other option is Jeff Weaver. This is not that.

2008-05-13 19:10:36
188.   Just fair
Kyle for two. : )
2008-05-13 19:10:41
189.   mehmattski
Two scary flyball outs, a five-pitch walk, and a sacrifice bunt. If he comes out for another inning, Girardi will have some serious questions to answer.
2008-05-13 19:10:56
190.   williamnyy23
Is there a radical enough manager out there willing to do crazy things like use their best pitcher when the game is on the line? Why is that so much to ask?
2008-05-13 19:12:11
191.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
187 Joe Posnanski had a great bit on Gibbons needing to be fired for going with the IBB...wait, did someone here link to that earlier??
2008-05-13 19:12:35
192.   williamnyy23
187 I don't think you should ever let your best pitcher sit on the bench while an inferior arm loses the game.
2008-05-13 19:12:59
193.   Yankees Brasil
Proctor for the 10th, right Joe? Oh, wrong Joe. They act the same though.
2008-05-13 19:14:09
194.   Yankees Brasil
How's that a strike? (1-1 pitch)
2008-05-13 19:14:50
195.   williamnyy23
Fair is fair...what the hell was I thinking advocating for Ensberg over the past few years. The guy looks almost incapable of hitting anything but a mediocre fastball down the middle.
2008-05-13 19:14:54
196.   pistolpete
193 Maybe they'll hold up the game for a few hours while they make the trade and fly him to Tampa...
2008-05-13 19:15:39
197.   Shaun P
191 Don't know but it was really funny. He's a great writer, whatever the subject.

190 Why use your best pitcher in a low leverage situation? Versus, might I add, a guy currently slugging .329 (Gross), a guy with a .369 career SLG (Navarro), and a guy with a .355 career SLG (Bartlett)?

2008-05-13 19:15:57
198.   williamnyy23
196 Over Torre's dead body.

Can Montero hit in the majors now?

2008-05-13 19:17:11
199.   williamnyy23
197 Joba was already in the game, so it's a matter of two innings or no more innings. If you let Joba pitch to the bottom and then Mo take on 1 to 6, then you can use Kyle for the same bottom of the order in the 12th if necessary.
2008-05-13 19:17:20
200.   Raf
187 FWIW, Weaver gave up a HR to the #8 batter in the lineup. So, it's kinda the same situation.
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2008-05-13 19:17:30
201.   OldYanksFan
They should just dump Ensberg and give Gardner a look.
2008-05-13 19:17:31
202.   OldYanksFan
They should just dump Ensberg and give Gardner a look.
2008-05-13 19:18:15
203.   williamnyy23
Maybe it's time to get Moeller a few more starts? Heck, I might alternate them if only to keep them fresh and foster a little competition.
2008-05-13 19:18:58
204.   Yankees Brasil
198 He probably could out-hit everybody on our 25-man roster.
2008-05-13 19:19:03
205.   tommyl
So Joe kinda sorta redeems himself by bringing in Mo here?
2008-05-13 19:19:18
206.   mehmattski
Yay, Mo time now. So I guess it is still, technically, a tie game on the road. Maybe Mo had to use the bathroom in the 9th or something?
2008-05-13 19:19:27
207.   williamnyy23
Of course, this could be a moot argument anyway. The Yankees have their run for the day.
2008-05-13 19:20:38
208.   tommyl
If his reasoning really was to pitch Kyle to the bottom of the lineup, I still disagree with it, but at least he's thinking. That's a step up from the push button of not bringing in your closer.
2008-05-13 19:20:55
209.   Yankees Brasil
206 Maybe he lost track of the innings and thinks this is the 9th.
2008-05-13 19:21:27
210.   williamnyy23
208 would be a rationale, but you still have to wonder why not two from Joba.
2008-05-13 19:21:35
211.   tommyl
206 LOL. Just picturing that situation. "Mo! Get up and start throwing!" "Oh man, Joba gave me some of his beef casserole. I need a few minutes."
2008-05-13 19:22:03
212.   williamnyy23
Yikes...Crawford on base always spells trouble.
2008-05-13 19:22:09
213.   weeping for brunnhilde
This doesn't look good.
2008-05-13 19:22:18
214.   Mattpat11
Oh no.
2008-05-13 19:23:07
215.   pistolpete
Bloopers = Mo's kryptonite
2008-05-13 19:23:40
216.   Shaun P
205 AFAIC, yes.

200 Fair enough, but there's a huge difference between Game 4 of a Serious and a May regular season game vs Tampa Bay. Win Game 4 in '03, and you're up 3 games to 1; lose and its 2-2. The outcome of this game isn't anywhere near as important.

And, Weaver hadn't pitched in almost two weeks, and had been awful when he did pitch. Farns has pitched regularly, and has been pretty good to boot.

199 Unless Girardi didn't like what he saw from Joba.

2008-05-13 19:24:08
217.   pistolpete
It's down to Lowell in Baltimore, fwiw.
2008-05-13 19:24:35
218.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Nothing can say if they get a run here, Mo has been amazing this year so is due for a loss..
2008-05-13 19:24:50
219.   williamnyy23
216 Please stop with the Weaver game...this one has been hard enough to deal with without envoking that memory!
2008-05-13 19:25:40
220.   pistolpete
Birds win.
2008-05-13 19:25:48
221.   williamnyy23
pitch out!
2008-05-13 19:26:19
222.   Mattpat11
218 I can say the Yankees should score more than one run in ten innings and shouldn't rely on Rivera being perfect all year long.
2008-05-13 19:28:33
223.   tommyl
Mo doing a great job of holding Crawford. He always does the little things right. People forget that.
2008-05-13 19:29:23
224.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ohhhhh, that just missed.

He's been getting squeezed lately.

2008-05-13 19:29:29
225.   Just fair
Jeter best be on his toes the next time Crawford is bearing down on him. Jeter deked him reaalll nice on that pop-up.
2008-05-13 19:29:33
226.   tommyl
Strike 4!
2008-05-13 19:29:59
227.   pistolpete
Did Mo just let Crawford on to tire him out? heheh
2008-05-13 19:30:07
228.   weeping for brunnhilde
Mariano Rivera.
2008-05-13 19:30:16
229.   tommyl
Seriously, 2 pitches on Gameday are clearly on the corner.
2008-05-13 19:30:22
230.   williamnyy23
My gosh...watching Giambi on pop ups is like watching Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
2008-05-13 19:30:23
231.   Mattpat11
I have a heterosexual crush on Mariano Rivera.
2008-05-13 19:30:31
232.   rsmith51
I heart Mo!!!!!!!!
2008-05-13 19:30:56
233.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
224 Mo one of the best players in baseball, period. "Simply the Best"...
2008-05-13 19:31:10
234.   Yankees Brasil
This ump is pathetic. Had Longoria struck out twice on that AB. He sure doesn't call the same zone for both teams.
2008-05-13 19:31:38
235.   OldYanksFan
GG Giambi!
2008-05-13 19:32:08
236.   tommyl
200 Can we all just agree that Weaver in Game 4 was one of the all time stupidest managerial moves and move on?
2008-05-13 19:32:15
237.   rsmith51
229 They were the correct calls. Though I am not sure that Jackson didn't get the calls earlier.
2008-05-13 19:32:35
238.   williamnyy23
Time for Jeter to bunt.
2008-05-13 19:32:46
239.   Yankees Brasil
Time to win this!
2008-05-13 19:33:05
240.   Shaun P
229 see 69 - this has been going on all game.

219 Uncle! I'll leave it be (though the next game has worse memories for me).

God Bless You, Mo.

2008-05-13 19:34:29
241.   williamnyy23
Abreu looks lost.
2008-05-13 19:34:30
242.   pistolpete
I can't see them re-signing Abreu, I just can't.
2008-05-13 19:35:06
243.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
236 Who is this "Weaver" you refer to? I have no memory of such a person..

Anyone catch the ESPN-Mag article on Yu Darvish?

2008-05-13 19:35:44
244.   williamnyy23
242 I don't think so...Abreu's other skills have diminished enough to the point that he isn't the same player. He also seems to be the kind of player who will have a rapid decline...kind of like Bernie.
2008-05-13 19:36:08
245.   rsmith51
Wow, that looked like strike 3 on Abreu.
2008-05-13 19:36:27
246.   Max
216 I'm in the extreme minority, but I was actually OK with Farnsworth the previous inning, especially with the bottom of their order followed by an inning with our worst hitters. It would have been wasting Mo for two innings, given how extremely unlikely it would have been for us to score the top of the 10th. I liked a fresh Mo against the heart of their order.

Besides, whether we like it or not, Girardi seems determined to give Farns a chance, and Farns has actually pitched better recently than I've ever seen him pitch as a Yankee. Better to find out now whether he can handle these situations, instead of piling on innings for Mo.

2008-05-13 19:36:43
247.   Mattpat11
2008-05-13 19:36:52
248.   pistolpete
The Return of Groundzilla.
2008-05-13 19:36:58
249.   Shaun P
243 Darvish sounds like something else. I wonder if he'd become like Dice-K, nibbling and with poor command?

This is going to be a long night, me thinks. Matsui was safe.

2008-05-13 19:37:14
250.   williamnyy23
Crap...with Matsui cleared and the Ryas not likely to pitch to Giambi, I don't see the Yankees scoring another run.
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2008-05-13 19:37:22
251.   Just fair
Well, when you ground into 4 dp's a game, those ones go against ya'. Still crap.
2008-05-13 19:37:22
252.   mehmattski
Hmm, upon closer inspection, the pitch on Matsui's homer was not in the strike zone. High and a bit outside. Impressive.
2008-05-13 19:37:28
253.   rsmith51
He was clearly safe, but what a crappy at bat Matsui.
2008-05-13 19:38:04
254.   Shaun P
246 I'm glad to know I'm not alone!
2008-05-13 19:38:21
255.   williamnyy23
251 Maybe start the runner?
2008-05-13 19:39:30
256.   weeping for brunnhilde
Did Giambi even move his feet there?
2008-05-13 19:39:38
257.   Yankees Brasil
It would be a miracle for us to score another run. But say we get the lead on the top of the 12th. Do you come back with Rivera for a third inning?
2008-05-13 19:40:07
258.   tommyl
246 254 I still disagree with the move, but I see the rationale. So long as Girardi is thinking through these decisions with some modicum of sense I'm fine with it. Its like politics, I like Obama, but I can see why someone might vote for Hillary. However, voting for McCain...I kid, I kid ;)
2008-05-13 19:40:08
259.   williamnyy23
Why did Giambi take his first step toward the line?
2008-05-13 19:40:12
260.   Shaun P
255 I thought Abreu was going?

Floyd did a nice job getting in on that one. I'm not worried.

2008-05-13 19:40:14
261.   rsmith51
254 With the offense playing the way it has, it made sense today. With last year's offense, he would have been protecting a lead in the bottom of the ninth.
2008-05-13 19:40:20
262.   ny2ca2dc
Johnny Gomes, Pinch Runner.
2008-05-13 19:40:47
263.   tommyl
257 No, unfortunately, its not worth burning out Rivera and risking injury.
2008-05-13 19:40:58
264.   Mattpat11
257 I think you have to. If the game is still tied, he comes out
2008-05-13 19:41:18
265.   tommyl
259 Because he sucks at defense.
2008-05-13 19:42:07
266.   pistolpete
Someone tell Vince Coleman to give Johnny Gomes a phone call about that fist pump.
2008-05-13 19:42:09
267.   williamnyy23
Allowing Gomes to steal 3 bases now is inexcusable. Molina had plenty of time to throw...also Cano makes that tag.
2008-05-13 19:42:31
268.   tommyl
Oh fuck
2008-05-13 19:42:41
269.   weeping for brunnhilde
And there you have it.
2008-05-13 19:43:04
270.   Mattpat11
What can you do.

You have to score more than one run in eleven innings.

2008-05-13 19:43:16
271.   williamnyy23
That's what happens when you manager tries things...the Yankees are stagnant and their manager has his head in the sand. I fear the Yankees are in the midst of a very substantial slide.
2008-05-13 19:43:21
272.   Yankees Brasil
That's on Molina. He's there for defense. Can't throw like that. Pathetic.
2008-05-13 19:43:23
273.   ny2ca2dc
Good think Molina's D makes up a bit for his O. err
2008-05-13 19:43:28
274.   Just fair
It's still early. I'm righteously agitated.
2008-05-13 19:43:32
275.   fansince77
Fuck the fucking Yankees and there absolute shit offense that gives up every fucking game!
2008-05-13 19:43:40
276.   pistolpete
Swell, just swell.

"Pinstripes & Putridness", your 2008 New York Yankees.

2008-05-13 19:43:58
277.   Shaun P
Dammit Gomes, that's not the Ray way, pumping your fist like that, and throwing your helmet in the air. (Grandpa Simpson voice) For shame. For shame. (/Grandpa Simpson voice)

What was that about not relying on Mo to be perfect?

2008-05-13 19:44:50
278.   Yankees Brasil
Fuck Molina. He can't hit to save his life. He should at least be able to play D. Not even that. Misses and easy popup and makes a weakass throw to second with the game on the line.
2008-05-13 19:44:58
279.   Zavo
It is surprising that Girardi, who is almost mentioned as an NL style manager is seemingly allergic to the stolen base.
2008-05-13 19:45:07
280.   pistolpete
277 In NO way do I blame Mo AT ALL for that crap.
2008-05-13 19:45:40
281.   williamnyy23
If the Yankees keep playing this way, I'd imagine Cashman is out. If that's the case, I'd go after Billy Beane hard and allow him to choose his own manager.
2008-05-13 19:45:52
282.   Mattpat11
I'm starting to get annoyed with Girardi too. For Christ sakes, you can occasionally put on a play. Sitting around and waiting for the Earl Weaver three run homerun every fucking game is no working.
2008-05-13 19:45:52
283.   tommyl
Pointed this out a week or so ago, this team sucks because of the offense. Even with Hughes and IPK stinking, the pitching was actually performing slightly better than expectations in terms of RA. The offense is way, way, way under what they should be. 1 run in 11 innings. Can't score a runner from third with 1 out, a ton of DPs. Just awful.
2008-05-13 19:46:57
284.   tommyl
279 You have to have a runner on base to steal. How many times did that happen tonight?
2008-05-13 19:47:06
285.   williamnyy23
283 Absolutely...the offense has been the team's margin of error. Now, they have none. Arod and Posada being out is huge, but you can't help but suspect that Jeter, Abreu and Damon are on the decline.
2008-05-13 19:47:21
286.   Shaun P
279 The Yanks are not exactly running well (12 of 22 IIRC), so I understand Girardi not running often.

A-Rod comes back soon, and things will get better.

2008-05-13 19:47:48
287.   williamnyy23
284 I'd settle for Bobby Abreu in the's not how often you do it, but when. The Yankees don't even try.
2008-05-13 19:49:27
288.   Yankees Brasil
281 I doubt he would want anything to do with this mess.
2008-05-13 19:51:24
289.   Yankees Brasil
284 We had something like 4 DP's tonight, so yeah, we had our fair share of runners on.
2008-05-13 19:52:18
290.   mehmattski
283 Not just 1 run in 11 innings. Only 2 runs in the last 20 innings, and just 4 runs in the last 29. Awful.
2008-05-13 19:53:09
291.   Shaun P
285 I too am worried about Jeter (.309/.345/.397, no walks, no power, no steals). I am not worried about Damon (.274/.361/.496), and not really Abreu either (.295/.360/.438), as that's basically what he hit last year (.283/.369/.445).

Anyone want to run the Yanks through the lineup optimizer tool Ken put together? I'd like to see how (if?) changing the lineup around might help.

2008-05-13 19:55:25
292.   ny2ca2dc
285 That's what i've been saying all day...
2008-05-13 20:02:55
293.   mehmattski
Runs Created American League Left Fielders
1. Carlos Quentin, CHW (29)
2. Manny Ramirez, BOS (27)
3. Johnny Damon, NYY (26)
4. Carl Crawford, TBR (25)

Runs Created, American League Right Fielders
1. Emil Brown, OAK (28)
2. Bobby Abreu, NYY (27)
3. Nick Markakis, BAL (23)

Abreu and Damon are not the problem.

2008-05-13 20:03:15
294.   Bruce Markusen
So much blame to pass around, so little time:

1) The Yankee hitters have completely lost their way. They don't take pitches, they don't work pitchers, they don't grind out at-bats.

2) Girardi, after running the team like Billy Martin's A's in the spring, won't put runners in motion, won't hit and run, won't play an aggressive style.

3) Cashman fails to react to roster problems. With Posada out, he carries both Molina and Moeller, who are basically the same player: good-field, no-hit. Why not put in a claim on Raul Casanova, inquire about Mike Piazza, or make a minor deal for someone like Adam Melheuse?

As a writer, I'm supposed to be more objective, but the Yankees have become very aggravating. The more I watch this team, the more I get the sense that the prevailing attitude among the players is this: "I'm getting paid my money, so what's the big deal." Where is the sense of urgency? Where is the sense of embarrassment?

2008-05-13 20:05:10
295.   Yankees Brasil
293 Second, shortstop, third and catcher. They are the problem.
2008-05-13 20:05:54
296.   mehmattski
Oh, and by the way:

Runs Created, American League Shortstops
1. Derek Jeter, NYY (22)
2. Michael Young, TEX (20)
3. Bobby Crosby, OAK (18)

So let's not overreact because the three of them had bad games. Cano, Giambi and Melky are the ones with below-average production, plus the injuries to A-Rod and Posada, that are bringing the team down.

2008-05-13 20:12:10
297.   williamnyy23
296 Yes...but what about RC/G? Also, I don't believe that takes into account defense.

I keep going back and forth between anger and the realization that this might be the price to pay for making the playoffs since 1995. If anything, the anger is probably better directed toward the 2003-2004 not winning instead of this aging team coming up short.

2008-05-13 20:15:07
298.   mehmattski
294 Raul Casanova, career lifetime:

1072 AB, .236/.303/.381 (OPS+: 77)

Better than Molina (Career OPS+: 67) and Moeler (63), but not by much. He's also turning 36 this August. That's the cure?

Piazza would require a commitment for the rest of the year at the major league level, and then would not be happy riding the bench when Posada returned. He also hit .275/.313/.414 last year. Are you sure that's what you want to spend your money on?

And once again, winning breeds chemistry, not the other way around. But meanwhile the NY media seems content to try and squash whatever emotion the Yankees show (Joba's fist-pumps, Cano's dugout dance after his homer last week). It's either a "professional atmosphere" or "lifeless disinterest." The media has to pick one.

2008-05-13 20:18:29
299.   mehmattski
297 Jeter actually has much fewer plate appearances (146) than either Young (172) or Crosby (166) so Jeter's position atop that list is pretty impressive.
2008-05-13 20:21:14
300.   mehmattski
Also, to be fair, lists Young at 24 RC to Jeter's 18, wheras I got my numbers from The Hardball Times website. Still, Jeter is either the #1 or #2 offensive shortstop in the league, far from the aging veteran you make him out to be.
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2008-05-13 20:22:30
301.   williamnyy23
299 Or, are all three less than impressive? There really aren't many other SS who stand out.
2008-05-13 20:23:16
302.   Shaun P
296 Giambi, poor batting average (and poor driving in runs) aside, has been quite productive with the bat. So has Melky.

Cano, the 3B replacements, and the C replacements are the most unproductive hitters. Cano seems to be coming out of it, and there's nothing to be done there but wait it out. A-Rod's imminent return solves 3B. That leaves C, and short of going back in time to undo trading Navarro in the Randy Johnson deal, I don't see any fixes there either.

2008-05-13 20:35:45
303.   mehmattski
301 Not in the AL, so much. But I believe that hitters should be measured against their peers, and in this case there is a weak AL SS environment.

Giambi ranks 13th among AL first basemen in RC (Detroit's Guillen and Cabrera are both listed ahead of him). However, THT has a stat called prOPS, which tracks a hitters' predicted season OPS based upon their Three True Outcomes results. Giambi is first in the AL in this category, suggesting that he may retain future value. However, the past results of this season have not been helping the team.

2008-05-14 07:29:06
304.   Raf
294 Cashman fails to react to roster problems.

I'm more concerned with the team carrying 13 pitchers at the expense of a bench player. Especially considering that the team is shorthanded offensively, having lost two of its top offensive players.

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