Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Time To Split
2008-04-28 11:48
by Cliff Corcoran

It's cold and rainy in Cleveland with a chance of snow (!), but the Yanks aren't scheduled to return there this season, so they'll likely make every attempt to get the game in, much like they did on their final day in Chicago, when rain twice interrupted the game and ended Phil Hughes night after just two innings.

Mike Mussina will be the man contending with the elements tonight. Moose is coming off the gem he twirled against the Chisox when he had unusually good movement on his non-curve pitches. He and the Yankee hitters will be facing 23-year-old lefty groundballer Aaron Laffey. Laffey was reliably average in his nine starts for the Tribe as a rookie last year. He lasted five or more innings in all but one start (and four innings in the exception) and allowed no more than four runs in any of those five-plus-inning starts (he allowed five runs in the four-inning outing). Tonight will be his first time facing the Yankees.

Laffey is the third of five lefty starters the Yankees are facing in a six-day span. In the first two of those games, Joe Girardi has radically rearranged his lineup, leaving some of his best hitters on the bench, and received four runs of total offense as a result. Resting Bobby Abreu I understand, as Abreu's the one left-handed Yankee hitter who really struggles against his own kind. Using the opposing lefty as an excuse to rest the struggling Robinson Cano I also understand. Sitting Hideki Matsui for two straight days just because there's a lefty on the mound I do not understand.

Prior to sitting out the last two games, Matsui was riding a seven-game hitting streak during which he had hit .318/.516/.500. On his career, Matsui has hit a respectable .293/.359/.448 against lefties. He is 0 for 9 with a walk in his career against C.C. Sabathia, so I understand Giardi's reasoning for sitting Matsui yesterday, but if that was the plan, he should have started Hideki on Saturday. Tonight, Matsui's back in the lineup, but Johnny Damon is sitting out. Damon is hitting .433/.485/.800 over his last seven games with two homers and five doubles. On his career, Damon has hit .286/.349/.404 against lefties. Against lefties the last two days he's gone 5 for 9 with two of those doubles. I just don't understand resting the team's hottest hitter when the offense has sputtered for three straight days.

Shelley Duncan and Morgan Ensberg combined to reach base once in 12 plate appearances over the last two games. Duncan, who was the guy who got on base, sits tonight. Ensberg plays third as Girardi uses the DH to protect Alex Rodriguez's tender quad.

Catcher Chris Stewart arrives from Scranton to take Jorge Posada's spot on the roster tonight. A career .253/.314/.361 hitter in the minors, Stewart is your typical generic backup catcher. A big fella, the 6-foot-4 Stewart is a 26-year-old career minor leaguer who spent most of his career in the White Sox's system after being drafted by Chicago in the middle rounds of the 2001 draft. After hitting .264/.314/.393 in his first full year at triple-A in 2006, he was traded to the Rangers and actually opened the season as the back-up on the major league roster. He hit .243/.300/.297 in 17 games (11 starts) before the Rangers bought Adam Melhuse from the A's in early June and optioned Stewart to triple-A, where he remained for the rest of the season, hitting a similar .242/.294/.333. In 15 games for Scranton this year, Stewart has hit .300/.404/.375, walking seven times against just one strikeout.

Comments (335)
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2008-04-28 14:07:09
1.   EdB
My question: How does one have a lower Slugging % than OBP%?
2008-04-28 14:10:42
2.   Cliff Corcoran
1 It's not actually that hard. If you walk a fair amount but hit mostly singles, you'll do it.
2008-04-28 14:12:15
3.   tommyl
1 You get a few walks and you hit only singles. Slugging doesn't take into account walks. The more interesting one is when players OBP is lower than their average, which occurs becaues OBP counts sacrifices as PA.
2008-04-28 14:17:44
4.   EdB
Ahh I see if your walk to XBH ratio is pretty high. Thanks for clearing that up.
2008-04-28 14:23:54
5.   Cliff Corcoran
4 That's a better way of phrasing it. Yes, as per Matsui's line above, which clearly has a fair amount of extra-base knocks, but a ton of walks (actually, in his case, a bunch of walks and HBPs).
2008-04-28 14:48:17
6.   OldYanksFan
People... did I read the last thread correctly that Posada is expected out for 30 days? This was just guesswork as he hasn't had a new MRI yet?

At this point, 30 days seems doable. I mean, thats 16% of the season... a good chunk but not horrible. It could be a lot worse, yes?

So... how 'educated' a guess is 30 days?

2008-04-28 14:49:56
7.   Cliff Corcoran
Make that six lefties in seven days. The Yanks open their series against the Mariners by facing Erik Bedard (see updated sidebar).
2008-04-28 14:53:15
8.   Cliff Corcoran
6 Right now we really don't know anything. Thirty days is essentially where Will's placing the over/under. It's a best guess by a guy who knows his stuff, but we don't know more about Posada's injury that we did yesterday. If I knew he'd come back at full strength, I'd sign up for 30 days right now. That is to say, my gut is taking the over right now.
2008-04-28 14:59:24
9.   OldYanksFan
Well, here in sunny NH it's 45d and raining, miserable and.... wet. Humidity at 93% (imagine!)

Yahoo's forcast for Cleveland:
Tonight: Cloudy with a few showers. Snow may mix in late. Low 38F. Winds N at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 30%.

2008-04-28 15:26:42
10.   Mattpat11
Is David Cone sitting in front of a TV that says Cone Vision?
2008-04-28 15:50:25
11.   weeping for brunnhilde
I am so fucking sick of rain and rain delays and rainouts and games on Fox.

Tonight of all nights (just because of my mood) I really want to just sit down and watch a baseball game, no questions asked.


2008-04-28 15:57:01
12.   williamnyy23
This game could be a blowout win, blowout loss or anything in between. There have been a lot of games with that feeling so far, which clearly isn't a good thing.
2008-04-28 16:00:50
13.   Mattpat11
well, here we go.
2008-04-28 16:09:56
14.   rbj
Well, the rain bypassed Toledo today, at least so far. The word "snow" was in the forecast, but now that looks doubtful.

Has anyone put a claim on Moeller? I can imagine the Red Sox doing that just to screw with the Yankees.

2008-04-28 16:10:59
15.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, now Melk just needs to advance to second on a wild pitch or by some other means so we can strand him in style, as is our wont.
2008-04-28 16:11:09
16.   Mattpat11
Nice start
2008-04-28 16:11:27
17.   williamnyy23
Why does Jeter keep swinging at the first pitch??
2008-04-28 16:12:03
18.   williamnyy23
14 If they waste a 40-man spot on him, they'd be screwing themselves.
2008-04-28 16:12:55
19.   Mattpat11
"deep center field" about 25 feet in front of the wall.
2008-04-28 16:13:08
20.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, Melky gets to third.

Please, please, please let's see to it he scores.

Don't strike out, Alex, please.

2008-04-28 16:13:33
21.   Mattpat11
Just in the air Alex.
2008-04-28 16:14:08
22.   Mattpat11
Perhaps I should have clarified.
2008-04-28 16:14:18
23.   weeping for brunnhilde
I can't take it.

Is it that hard to score a run?

2008-04-28 16:14:47
24.   Mattpat11
The Yankees have their Cleveland batboy. He's not sweeping yet though.
2008-04-28 16:14:54
25.   OldYanksFan
21 Does that count?
2008-04-28 16:14:58
26.   williamnyy23
If Arod is going to revert to 2006 form and Posada is out for a long period of time, this team is not making the playoffs.
2008-04-28 16:15:40
27.   OldYanksFan
G-Bomb coming....
2008-04-28 16:15:44
28.   Mattpat11
strike one looked like ball 2.
2008-04-28 16:16:11
29.   Mattpat11
25 see 22
2008-04-28 16:16:33
30.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn it.

Good rip, Jason.

2008-04-28 16:16:39
31.   rbj
Dang, and that looked like a promising inning.
2008-04-28 16:16:40
32.   Mattpat11
well there you go.
2008-04-28 16:16:45
33.   rsmith51
Apparently, ARod should have batted 5th tonight.
2008-04-28 16:17:28
34.   OldYanksFan
If Moose has movement on his ptches tonight, I feel a Win coming.
2008-04-28 16:18:13
35.   williamnyy23
The crime of that inning is not that they didn't score one run, but that they didn't score 2 or 3. With Mussina pitching, early runs are very important. This team seems incapable of jumping out to a big lead.
2008-04-28 16:18:31
36.   Mattpat11
34 if
2008-04-28 16:20:53
37.   Mattpat11
84 mph
2008-04-28 16:22:24
38.   Mattpat11
I think Mussina is throwing an 81 mph change
2008-04-28 16:22:28
39.   williamnyy23
Uh oh...with this zone, Moose is going to have a fit.
2008-04-28 16:24:33
40.   Mattpat11
nice pitch there.
2008-04-28 16:25:33
41.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh my God.

Did you see that 0-2?

Terrible location.

He's lucky it was just fouled off.

2008-04-28 16:25:55
42.   weeping for brunnhilde

Beautiful curve!

Nice job, Mike!

Nice pitching.

2008-04-28 16:26:01
43.   rbj
Ooh, nice inning by Moose
2008-04-28 16:26:03
44.   Mattpat11
Beautiful pitch there.
2008-04-28 16:30:51
45.   weeping for brunnhilde
Anyone see any signs from Cano?
2008-04-28 16:31:18
46.   weeping for brunnhilde
At least he didn't bounce to second there, I guess.
2008-04-28 16:32:25
47.   RIYank
Jeez, I go to get some potato chips, I miss an entire half inning.
2008-04-28 16:33:25
48.   williamnyy23
The Yankees are continuing the disturbing trend of hacking away. I honestly think that is the biggest reason this team has struggled all season. Unlike last year when the offense was feast or famine early on, this year it has been consistently mediocre (4 or fewer runs 15 times!!!).

I am not sure what's behind this trend, but Girardi and Long must emphasize the patient apporach that has fueled this offense in the past.

2008-04-28 16:34:10
49.   weeping for brunnhilde
Mike's curve is really working today.
2008-04-28 16:36:03
50.   weeping for brunnhilde
I don't feel good about him going up and in like that with an 86mph fastball
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2008-04-28 16:37:08
51.   OldYanksFan
48 I must agree completely. It seems impossible, but in 82 ABs, Jeter has TWO walks. ARod has 6 BBs in 89 ABs. Abreu has 7 BBs in 96. For those three, those are BAD numbers.
2008-04-28 16:38:21
52.   williamnyy23
51 I would like to see the pitches/AB too because it's not like the pitchers are attacking them. Instead, it seems like everyone is up there hacking at the first pitch.
2008-04-28 16:38:32
53.   Mattpat11
Bad throw by Cano.
2008-04-28 16:38:37
54.   weeping for brunnhilde

Let's get Mike some runs, how 'bout?

2008-04-28 16:39:27
55.   rbj
OK, I'm confused. Neither the good Moose nor the bad Moose from the evil parallel universe has a goatee. How are we supposed to tell them apart?
2008-04-28 16:39:28
56.   RIYank
Welp, that heater had a good result. Faced the minimum now, right?
2008-04-28 16:40:52
57.   RIYank
55 You can generally tell by the attitude, if not the base runners.
2008-04-28 16:42:02
58.   OldYanksFan
An 86mph fastball, well placed, augmenting a 'curve that is really working', is far better the 98 MPH over the plate (see: Farnsworth, Kyle). If Moose's slow slop is working, 86 MPH on the corner is very effective.

I'd rather have Joba, but there are a number of guys with 'no' fastball who are league average or better.

2008-04-28 16:42:24
59.   weeping for brunnhilde
Has Molina hit since returning from injury?
2008-04-28 16:43:28
60.   weeping for brunnhilde
58 Agreed, wholeheartedly. A couple of them just seemed too close for comfort, is all. But he's gotten away with them so far, so, yeah, nice job.
2008-04-28 16:44:26
61.   rbj
57 Ah.
2008-04-28 16:46:01
62.   RIYank
I feel like Laffey doesn't have control of his change. Our guys should be sitting on the slider.
2008-04-28 16:46:47
63.   OldYanksFan
55 Good Moose has a less exaggerated smirk.
2008-04-28 16:47:59
64.   williamnyy23
I wont keep beating the horse, but in that inning alone, Molina swung at a 1-0 pitch out the zone and then Melky swung at a 2-0 pitch that was a ball. If both men remain patient, you are looking at a rally. It's one thing when the results are bad, and another when the approach is. Right now, the Yankees approach is bad.

Also, with CC throwing 8, the bullpen is ready to cover 4+ innings. The Yankees should have put some crooked numbers up against Laffey, but instead are relying on Moose to be perfect. Should he give up 3 runs in 6, everyone will lament his performance, but the reality is the Yankees should be able to win this game (and a few others earlier in the year) going away.

2008-04-28 16:48:08
65.   Mattpat11
we're being no hit
2008-04-28 16:49:42
66.   weeping for brunnhilde
Uh oh, here we go.

Suck it up, Mike!

2008-04-28 16:49:55
67.   williamnyy23
When Jeter plays to an OPS+ of 80, his defense becomes enfuriating.
2008-04-28 16:53:11
68.   weeping for brunnhilde
Don't get cute, Jason.

Just make the play.

2008-04-28 16:53:31
69.   williamnyy23
That throw should have gone to 3B, except Giambi can't throw.
2008-04-28 16:53:53
70.   RIYank
Hmm, that was a smart bunt, I think.
2008-04-28 16:53:58
71.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice change there.
2008-04-28 16:54:05
72.   Mattpat11
Probably a bad time to have a pitcher that doesn't K people
2008-04-28 16:54:14
73.   weeping for brunnhilde
Another one.


2008-04-28 16:55:08
74.   williamnyy23
70 With the Yankees offense and a rested bullpen, 1 or 2 runs is very big in this game, so yes, it was a smart bunt.
2008-04-28 16:55:16
75.   weeping for brunnhilde

Nice, Mike!!!


2008-04-28 16:55:37
76.   RIYank
This is Good Mike. In case there was any question.
2008-04-28 16:56:14
77.   weeping for brunnhilde
0-1, curve.

Come on, Mike!

2008-04-28 16:56:19
78.   RIYank
74 Yeah, also, Michaels is not a good hitter.
2008-04-28 16:59:36
79.   Mattpat11
not liking this AB
2008-04-28 17:00:40
80.   OldYanksFan
One of the most painful parts of being a Yankee fan in the last few years was the Ghost-of-Bernie era. The thought of Jeter being in decline is scary. 2 years of GOJ will be horrible to witness.

Wasn't Derek listening when ARod said he would have an MVP year?

2008-04-28 17:00:41
81.   randym77
C'mon, Moose. Just one more...
2008-04-28 17:01:03
82.   Mattpat11
Good job Moose!
2008-04-28 17:01:10
83.   RIYank
Tremendous. Though not exactly efficient. Six innings?
2008-04-28 17:01:19
84.   rbj
Yes! Good Moose!!
2008-04-28 17:01:21
85.   OldYanksFan
It's cool the way Jason makes these routine plays exciting... yes?
2008-04-28 17:01:51
86.   williamnyy23
Moose picked up his awful offense and lousy fielding by Jeter...but not before stone hands tried to dig the hole deeper. This team worries me.
2008-04-28 17:01:51
87.   weeping for brunnhilde
God, fucking Giambi.

Get him out of there. Two plays in this inning that he actually made and still my heart nearly stopped.

It's stressful watching him out there, almost as bad as Knoblauch used to be.

2008-04-28 17:02:14
88.   Mattpat11
83 49 through three IP could be worse.
2008-04-28 17:02:23
89.   JimCobain
80 Jeter has to much Dimaggio in him to let his skills erode. I think Jeter walks away with some gas still left in the tank.

Very nice job by Moose that inning.

2008-04-28 17:03:08
90.   randym77
Does anyone know what the minor league "suspended" and "restricted" lists are?

I noticed the Mariners put Bronson Sardinha on the suspected list, then released him. Did they just not need an outfielder in their minor league system, or does being put on the suspended list mean he did something bad?

2008-04-28 17:04:01
91.   RIYank
88 I know, but it means no more than six innings.
2008-04-28 17:04:49
92.   Mattpat11
91 He can pitch a 13 pitch 4th and be right back on track.
2008-04-28 17:04:52
93.   randym77
90 Arrgh. Suspended list, not suspected list. :-P
2008-04-28 17:05:08
94.   Mattpat11
Get a god damned hit
2008-04-28 17:07:27
95.   weeping for brunnhilde

Beautiful foul out to the catcher on the first pitch!

Way to swing, sticks!

2008-04-28 17:07:30
96.   Mattpat11
we're going to be no hit tonight. The team looks bored.
2008-04-28 17:07:31
97.   williamnyy23
Sure seems like the Yankees are ready to get on that plane. Tonight's effort is deplorable.
2008-04-28 17:08:00
98.   dianagramr
Hey .... the Giants are moving their $126 million man to the bullpen! Wheee .... can you say .... Denny Neagle .... Mike Hampton .... Wayne Garland?
2008-04-28 17:10:28
99.   rbj
98 So we can actually say Cashman was smart in not signing Zito.
2008-04-28 17:11:26
100.   Mattpat11
99 And then he turned around and signed Igawa
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2008-04-28 17:12:42
101.   Mattpat11
Nice hook.
2008-04-28 17:13:44
102.   williamnyy23
David Cone has a very nice vocabulary, and unlike Michael Kay, he uses words in the proper context.
2008-04-28 17:14:05
103.   rbj
100 Shhh, besides, that was less than half of Zito.
2008-04-28 17:15:30
104.   Mattpat11
so much for a 13 pitch inning
2008-04-28 17:16:35
105.   williamnyy23
Laffey has 46 pitches through 4 innings. That's pretty pathetic.
2008-04-28 17:16:44
106.   Mattpat11
did that say 88 mph?
2008-04-28 17:17:57
107.   randym77
98 Can't say I'm surprised. The Reds embarrassed him yesterday. Their rookie pitcher, Edinson Volquez, was throwing curveballs faster than Zito's fastball.
2008-04-28 17:18:12
108.   3rd gen yankee fan
99 That's my optimistic thought for today. It helps. A little.
2008-04-28 17:18:21
109.   dianagramr
Who is watching the ESPN coverage of this, besides me?

Somehow I'm able to get both ESPN and YES coverage of tonight's game.

2008-04-28 17:18:32
110.   williamnyy23
Every inning is life and death. With some runs to work with, I think Moose could be very successful working with the stuff he has shown so far this season.
2008-04-28 17:19:39
111.   Mattpat11
2008-04-28 17:19:52
112.   rbj
109 Not me. I get ESPN and the Indians' broadcast.
2008-04-28 17:20:21
113.   Mattpat11
Another nice inning, but a lot of pitches.
2008-04-28 17:20:29
114.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ok, three outs.

Hmmm, let's see if we might get a hit.

2008-04-28 17:20:58
115.   williamnyy23
109 I'm getting both. I am going to switch over and see if the Yankees can hit on ESPN.
2008-04-28 17:21:09
116.   rbj
Gee, Laffey not only has a shutout through 4 innings, he also has a no hitter.
2008-04-28 17:23:24
117.   fansince77
Wow so many Cy Young's this year!
2008-04-28 17:23:29
118.   williamnyy23
It's incredible that the Yankees could lose three games to Byrd, Sowers and Laffey! And, they beat Sabathia (thanks to Wang).
2008-04-28 17:24:37
119.   Mattpat11
get a fucking hit.
2008-04-28 17:25:20
120.   rsmith51
So is Laffey an URP?

The Yanks have lots of trouble with them.

2008-04-28 17:25:20
121.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh dear lord.

Did you see that swing by Hideki?

I swear, these are the things that drive me to distraction.

If there were a bridge handy, I might jump off it.

Why did he hook that ball?



Is there some law I'm unaware of?

2008-04-28 17:26:35
122.   Yankees Brasil
Is this Laffey dude that good?
2008-04-28 17:27:05
123.   Mattpat11
Would you like a tee Morgan?
2008-04-28 17:27:30
124.   williamnyy23
122 No...but I am starting to believe this offense might be this bad.
2008-04-28 17:27:41
125.   rbj
121 It's all part of a conspiracy to drive you crazy. Unfortunately the rest of us are being taken along on the ride.
2008-04-28 17:28:13
126.   Yankees Brasil
By the way, I don't think I've seen Ensberg hit one hard with the Yankees so far. He really sucks.
2008-04-28 17:28:13
127.   Mattpat11
now someone get a basehit.
2008-04-28 17:29:06
128.   williamnyy23
Hey, Cano got a hit...oh wait.
2008-04-28 17:29:06
129.   williamnyy23
Hey, Cano got a hit...oh wait.
2008-04-28 17:29:54
130.   nick
we look so bad I'm tempted to call the no-no against us tonight....
2008-04-28 17:29:56
131.   Yankees Brasil
Eject him ump! It's our only hope!
2008-04-28 17:30:19
132.   Mattpat11
I hope this team is fucking embarrassed.
2008-04-28 17:30:23
133.   weeping for brunnhilde
They're killing me here.
2008-04-28 17:30:37
134.   williamnyy23
Nope...the Yankees can't hit on ESPN either. Talking about defining new lows every inning.
2008-04-28 17:30:46
135.   Mattpat11
130 I already have. Atrocious
2008-04-28 17:32:23
136.   Yankees Brasil
So, should I call Bonds' agent or you'll do it Mr. Cashman?
2008-04-28 17:32:29
137.   Mattpat11
Maybe third time through the order will help.
2008-04-28 17:33:04
138.   williamnyy23
Lead off single...back to life and death.
2008-04-28 17:33:27
139.   weeping for brunnhilde
How come their guys can hit those pitches but our guys just dribble them?
2008-04-28 17:33:47
140.   williamnyy23
136 You're probably joking, but I think it's a no-brainer.
2008-04-28 17:33:52
141.   Mattpat11
Mussina's pick off is in stages.
2008-04-28 17:34:12
142.   weeping for brunnhilde
He's a big fat fuck.
2008-04-28 17:34:12
143.   Mattpat11
Giambi fucking sucks.
2008-04-28 17:34:32
144.   williamnyy23
That's a pick-off if not for's time to dump the Giambi 1B experiment. He is horrible.
2008-04-28 17:34:47
145.   Yankees Brasil
Moose won't hold them forever. Might not hold them this inning.
2008-04-28 17:34:54
146.   rbj
Jason, you should have had him.
2008-04-28 17:35:37
147.   fansince77
Giambi is horrible around that bag...when he caught it he had no idea what to do!
2008-04-28 17:35:49
148.   weeping for brunnhilde
Here we go.
2008-04-28 17:35:58
149.   Yankees Brasil
And Giambi blows another play. God this has got to be rock bottom, right?
2008-04-28 17:36:19
150.   Mattpat11
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2008-04-28 17:36:50
151.   weeping for brunnhilde
147 That plus the fact it took him about two seconds to mobilize his great mass after he'd figured it out.
2008-04-28 17:37:01
152.   williamnyy23
145 No pitcher should be expected to hold them for ever. Moose has given the Yankees what they need. Two bloop hits and now the game if practically over. This offense has been horrendous and there are some definite signs that the trend could last. The pitching isn't going to improve...the red flags are real.
2008-04-28 17:37:03
153.   Mattpat11
Come on Moose.
2008-04-28 17:37:13
154.   dianagramr
Let's trade Giambi for Delgado ...
2008-04-28 17:37:23
155.   Yankees Brasil
140 No, I'm serious, I've been saying this for a while now. Here and at LoHud.
2008-04-28 17:38:09
156.   weeping for brunnhilde
154 ha ah aha ah!!
2008-04-28 17:39:32
157.   Mattpat11
And that's the ballgame.
2008-04-28 17:39:59
158.   williamnyy23
Yet again, another close game is on the verge of being blown open in the 5th and 6th.
2008-04-28 17:40:15
159.   weeping for brunnhilde
See what can happen when you just shorten your swing a little bit?

Nice swing.

He waited on it and slapped it to right field.

That's how you hit a baseball.

2008-04-28 17:40:20
160.   randym77
Well, this is looking ugly...
2008-04-28 17:41:45
161.   Mattpat11
wheels are coming off
2008-04-28 17:42:12
162.   Mattpat11
Indians get four hits in an inning. We can't get a fucking hit period.

What a joke of a baseball team.

2008-04-28 17:42:38
163.   williamnyy23
I feel bad for Moose in this game. If he gets cuffed in this inning, everyone will harp on his performance, but the reality is the rest of this team played horribly and seemingly mailed this one in. Moose, on the other hand, has been battling. The Yankees should be embarrassed. It's not going to happen, but this is the type of game that you'd like to see Girardi rip the team in the post game. Piniella and Leyland would do it, but I think Girardi is too much like Torre.
2008-04-28 17:43:01
164.   weeping for brunnhilde
162 They're waiting on the ball and reacting rather than trying to hit everything over the fence.
2008-04-28 17:43:07
165.   Yankees Brasil
Aight Moose, good job tonight, now it's time to get the 'pen. He's done.
2008-04-28 17:44:02
166.   Mattpat11
Hey, Giambi made a play.
2008-04-28 17:44:37
167.   nick
gotta prolong Pronk's slump here...
2008-04-28 17:45:38
168.   rbj
Well it has just started raining here. Probably be at Cleveland in an hour.
2008-04-28 17:47:06
169.   dianagramr
Pronk's swing may be bad because his shoulder is still bothering him
2008-04-28 17:47:08
170.   Mattpat11
shut up Cone
2008-04-28 17:49:26
171.   Mattpat11
That was a slider
2008-04-28 17:49:43
172.   OldYanksFan
I don't go to the BP unless it's Joba.
2008-04-28 17:49:47
173.   Yankees Brasil
169 Or because he wants to be part of the Yankees!
2008-04-28 17:50:15
174.   weeping for brunnhilde
2008-04-28 17:50:21
175.   Mattpat11
That's always a good sign.
2008-04-28 17:50:29
176.   Just fair
Here's the ballgame. Love those cross-ups. Get on the same freakin page.
2008-04-28 17:50:46
177.   OldYanksFan
Moose has been battling hard, more then I can say for the rest of the team.
2008-04-28 17:51:07
178.   Mattpat11
all things considered...
2008-04-28 17:51:21
179.   williamnyy23
Moose comes up huge again...let's see if the bats can come up any smaller.
2008-04-28 17:51:22
180.   weeping for brunnhilde

Talk about dodging a bullet.

Two runs, I'll take it.

It would be nice to score a run or two of our own, however.

2008-04-28 17:51:33
181.   monkeypants
Does Molina seem to get crossed up a lot?
2008-04-28 17:51:33
182.   3rd gen yankee fan
163 Completely agree. It would be great if Moose would rip this team a new one. I just don't get where they bats take the night off every time it gets cold.
2008-04-28 17:52:00
183.   Mattpat11
180 Or get a hit
2008-04-28 17:52:14
184.   Yankees Brasil
And we get out of it. Great job Moose. Now if only your teammates could come out of hibernation.
2008-04-28 17:52:42
185.   OldYanksFan
I am all for Bonds, and the controversy might actually shock this team to life. Unfortunately, as a DH, he replaces Matsui who is our top hitter.

Hell... put Bonds at first.

2008-04-28 17:54:33
186.   Yankees Brasil
185 He can't be worse than Giambi.
2008-04-28 17:54:34
187.   rbj
A hit, a hit! Yay Melky!

Now how about a couple of runs here.

2008-04-28 17:54:54
188.   OldYanksFan
OK... a walk, a HBP, a 3 base error, and we're back in this thing!
2008-04-28 17:55:33
189.   nick
even the first hit lacks a certain something.....and the second! ok, let's bunt and tie it with infield singles! go yanks! teh awesome!
2008-04-28 17:55:40
190.   Yankees Brasil
Oh boy, what a great hit, fitting.
2008-04-28 17:55:59
191.   OldYanksFan
Jeter's quad can't be 100%. He's running like Matsui. Anyone else see that?
2008-04-28 17:56:14
192.   rbj
I haven't seen any of Abreu's homers this year.
2008-04-28 17:56:55
193.   rbj
I'll take a single.
2008-04-28 17:57:06
194.   Yankees Brasil
The big bad Yankees with only two hits, infield hits. GREAT!
2008-04-28 17:57:15
195.   OldYanksFan
Thank God at least Abreu knows about something called 'Left Field'.
2008-04-28 17:58:03
196.   OldYanksFan
ARod is over-anxious. NOT GOOD.
2008-04-28 17:58:33
197.   fansince77
Anyone have confidence in AROD right here?
2008-04-28 17:58:39
198.   Just fair
Reverse jinx alert. What's the over/under on not scoring any runs here?
2008-04-28 17:58:39
199.   Yankees Brasil
The way things are going, A-Rod is gonna ground into a DP. I hope not, but..
2008-04-28 17:59:11
200.   bobtaco
How about a fly ball to the outfield, deep? Or a HBP, OK.
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2008-04-28 17:59:16
201.   fansince77
That's what AROD needed to do to get an RBI- I'll TAKE IT!
2008-04-28 17:59:19
202.   Mattpat11
I'll take it.
2008-04-28 17:59:20
203.   rbj
188 There's your HBP.
2008-04-28 18:00:35
204.   Yankees Brasil
Nice!! Got lucky there, I could sense the strikeout.
2008-04-28 18:00:44
205.   OldYanksFan
I called a G-Bomb this game....
2008-04-28 18:01:27
206.   OldYanksFan
Or an F-Bomb...
2008-04-28 18:01:56
207.   bobtaco
One hit with men on. Please.
2008-04-28 18:02:00
208.   rbj
Come on Hideki, ducks on the pond for you.
2008-04-28 18:02:43
209.   Mattpat11
Mussina can get the win :)
2008-04-28 18:03:44
210.   wsporter
Did Orel Hershiser really just say that essentially he hoped A-Rod would hit into a double play? What a jack-ass.
2008-04-28 18:03:50
211.   nick
smallball, bitches, smallball! we drove that punk pitcher to cover--he'll think twice before he messes with TEH BRONX BOMBERS again!
2008-04-28 18:04:15
212.   Yankees Brasil
I know we scored some runs and all that, but we still can't get a hit with runners in scoring position. It's really pathetic.
2008-04-28 18:04:33
213.   Just fair
This really can't be too satisfying for anyone. We still haven't seen a hit with runners in scoring position. Talk about lowering standards. Bullocks.
2008-04-28 18:04:44
214.   OldYanksFan
I guess there is some poetry in getting the lead with a combination of luck and suckatude.
2008-04-28 18:05:39
215.   fansince77
212 I know this is so the way where is FRANKENSHELLEY? Doesn't he just seem like the guy to break this shit open!
2008-04-28 18:06:20
216.   Mattpat11
Mussina's probably out of the game, right?
2008-04-28 18:06:40
217.   Mattpat11
Hell of a rally here.

I'll take it.

2008-04-28 18:06:42
218.   fansince77
another blast. This is embarassing.
2008-04-28 18:06:48
219.   OldYanksFan
Did ARod trip over home plate?
2008-04-28 18:07:05
220.   nick
I don't know whether to laugh or cry here--we are a juggernaut....
2008-04-28 18:07:16
221.   Just fair
Ah, to be a fly on an Indian Banterer wall.
2008-04-28 18:07:40
222.   rbj
I just gotta laugh. 3 infield hits in one inning? Only Abreu can have any pride in his hit.
2008-04-28 18:07:43
223.   bartap74
210 For those of us watching YES, what did he say?
2008-04-28 18:08:08
224.   Yankees Brasil
That counts as a hit with RISP!!
2008-04-28 18:08:44
225.   OldYanksFan
Why not let Moose go another inning? I think he is still throwing well. You think Hawkins will do better?
2008-04-28 18:08:48
226.   fansince77
In the box score:

Melke hit
Jeter hit
Abreu hit
Giambi RBI
Matsui RBI
Ensberg hit RBI

What a team...INSPIRING!

2008-04-28 18:09:03
227.   Yankees Brasil
Hey at least Cano is still the same!! No surprises there.
2008-04-28 18:09:19
228.   ny2ca2dc
Well, I wanted those 4 runs in, but that's now how I expected it to happen!

It's these kinds of innings the Yanks have been lacking though - they've been unable to "kill 'em softly". Maybe the luck will start to turn around the solid team peripherals will start to show up in the RS totals.

2008-04-28 18:10:45
229.   fansince77
I think Moose needed to go one more...believe we were doing Cleveland a favor here.
2008-04-28 18:10:46
230.   quacks25
4 runs and the ball left the infield once!
2008-04-28 18:10:47
231.   quacks25
4 runs and the ball left the infield once!
2008-04-28 18:13:01
232.   fansince77
Shoot between J.Alba and Dorf and Hawkins this bullpen could close down a few Sizzlers...Bruney was the runt.
2008-04-28 18:13:37
233.   Mattpat11
So what's the verdict on Mussina? He only threw five innings, which is a negative, but otherwise I think he was pretty good.
2008-04-28 18:14:13
234.   fansince77
I want to see those two inside pitches on K-Zone?
2008-04-28 18:14:22
235.   fansince77
Not the last one.
2008-04-28 18:14:49
236.   Just fair
The Moose tightrope had come to an end. Gotta find out if Albadalejo can get important outs. Plus, if he can't walk at least one batter, he doesn't belong in the pen. CRIPES.
2008-04-28 18:15:01
237.   Yankees Brasil
233 I think so too. He kept us in the game. 5 IP, 2runs is great from Moose.
2008-04-28 18:15:43
238.   wsporter
223 He said it was too bad that Laffey hit A-Rod because he was hoping that Laffey would throw his slider down and in to get A-Rod to hit into a double play at third. I couldn't believe it.
2008-04-28 18:15:54
239.   fansince77
233 I think Moose was pretty great...I'll take that from a fifth starter every time out. I mean what "two" balls hit hard? and best of all got out of two major game breaking jams - much more of the old Moose.
2008-04-28 18:16:10
240.   Yankees Brasil
Oh man. Now he better get the DP.
2008-04-28 18:16:54
241.   rbj
233 Good game for Moose. His defense (Jeter, Giambi on the pickoff) let him down a bit, but I didn't see him get all prissy about it.
2008-04-28 18:17:56
242.   fansince77
2008-04-28 18:19:10
243.   fansince77
We certainly can't complain about bad luck...This is why I wanted Moose for one more.
2008-04-28 18:20:18
244.   fansince77
They show that pitch but not the two inside to righties...?
2008-04-28 18:20:29
245.   Yankees Brasil
Comon Albaladejo, one more out. Pleasee!!
2008-04-28 18:21:24
246.   Just fair
Ohhhh, Abadalego.
Sung to the Macarena song, of course.
2008-04-28 18:22:45
247.   wsporter
He gone!

Jeeze, that sounds stupid even in Cleveland.

2008-04-28 18:23:21
248.   Yankees Brasil
Hey, the Indians really suck offensively. Kinda like the Yankees.
2008-04-28 18:23:43
249.   ny2ca2dc
I really like albaladejo. He might not have earned it yet, but I still like him.
2008-04-28 18:26:18
250.   OldYanksFan
247 Hey! I can take cursing but I have to draw the line somewhere.
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2008-04-28 18:27:28
251.   rbj
Damn, nice catch by Michaels.
2008-04-28 18:27:41
252.   fansince77
The funny thing is Michaels didn't think he caught it!
2008-04-28 18:28:18
253.   Just fair
That dude belongs in the WWE. JETER. I'M GONNA ROB YOU OF A HIT, BROTHER!!
2008-04-28 18:30:56
254.   cult of basebaal
jesus, did chris britton rape Joe Girardi's AND Joe Torre's cats???


2008-04-28 18:31:44
255.   fansince77
Whatever you think of Farnswhacker you have to admit he would make a good superhero.
2008-04-28 18:32:12
256.   wsporter
Sorry OYF, channeling Hawk for some reason, must . . . stop . . . now. . . brain shrinking.
2008-04-28 18:33:31
257.   fansince77
Rediscover that little white pill Kyle. Or just "discover" it- fastballs down are badass!
2008-04-28 18:34:15
258.   Mattpat11
I'm not a fan of Farnsworths semi-annual hot streaks. It makes people think he's "turning it around"
2008-04-28 18:34:58
259.   Just fair
My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Farnswacker.
2008-04-28 18:35:13
260.   fansince77
That was pretty.
2008-04-28 18:36:14
261.   rbj
OK, good Moose, good Farnsworth, and the mighty Bronx infield hitters put up a four spot. Is this Bizarro World?
2008-04-28 18:37:50
262.   fansince77
Alright boys let's put a couple more on the board and give the rest a night off-

BTW - calling Alex's bomb.

2008-04-28 18:38:20
263.   fansince77
OK- calling JD's bomb.
2008-04-28 18:38:53
264.   Yankees Brasil
258 He can't fool me. But hey, that was a good inning actually.
2008-04-28 18:39:10
265.   fansince77
Defensive replacement at first after Giambi AB?
2008-04-28 18:39:28
266.   OldYanksFan
ARod hurt?
2008-04-28 18:41:55
267.   fansince77
If JD steals second and keeps going he can third too!
2008-04-28 18:42:38
268.   fansince77
Giambi will get a fat pitch here.
2008-04-28 18:44:10
269.   Shaun P
Another wide strike zone tonight? That first pitch to Giambi was outside, according to Gameday.

I'm starting to feel like a broken record with this wide strike zone stuff.

2008-04-28 18:45:12
270.   fansince77
Go Johnny go go go!
2008-04-28 18:45:48
271.   Mattpat11
265 With who?
2008-04-28 18:46:10
272.   Shaun P
269 And the first pitch to Matsui. Sheesh.
2008-04-28 18:46:52
273.   Mattpat11
2008-04-28 18:47:30
274.   fansince77
the most consistent clutch guy for awhile now. He just doesn't go too many ab's without a big hit...

Michaels taketh and giveth away.

2008-04-28 18:47:59
275.   fansince77
271 Duncan.
2008-04-28 18:48:15
276.   Yankees Brasil
Oh Hideki! Right on!
2008-04-28 18:49:22
277.   nick
is there a technical term for that area of grass out past the bases where Matsui hit the ball?
2008-04-28 18:52:18
278.   monkeypants
OK, Joba for two? What say y'all?
2008-04-28 18:54:25
279.   fansince77
It's JO-MO time!
2008-04-28 18:54:28
280.   williamnyy23
I guess Girardi inherited another trait from Joe Torre...a severe aversion to using Chris Britton. Bringing Joba in up three to face the second half of the lineup is excessive. With the Tigers coming in and Hughes slated for tommorrow, the Yankees need a fresh bullpen, but alas, Girardi is following the formula. Again, with each passing game, it becomes clear that Girardi is Torre-lite. He has been very disappointing.
2008-04-28 18:56:00
281.   Yankees Brasil
Joba's gotta pitch some innings or he won't make it to 150IP this year.
2008-04-28 18:56:06
282.   monkeypants
280 I forgot about Hughes tomorrow. This move is not too bad IF he uses Joba for two and saves Mo for (potentially) two tomorrow night.
2008-04-28 18:56:45
283.   monkeypants
281 That's why he should pitch two innings.
2008-04-28 18:59:16
284.   Shaun P
280 He's been very disappointing the last couple of games - not bringing Mo in on Saturday, Britton's non-use - but prior to those screw ups, I was very happy with Girardi.

283 Yes. I also wish Joba would bust out the curve . . .

2008-04-28 18:59:34
285.   fansince77
2008-04-28 18:59:55
286.   rsmith51
280 Excellent points. How many managers would handle it differently? I would treat 3 run leads the same way managers currently treat 4 run leads and treat tie games the same way managers treat 1 run lead games. With some variation depending on situation, last time pitched, etc.
2008-04-28 19:01:32
287.   williamnyy23
282 You could potentially save them both, leaving them at full strength for the entire Tigers series. Basically, Girardi saved his bullpen and blew the game on Saturday so he could use them up three runs tonight. That's how Torre managed the bullpen. Girardi has done little differently.
2008-04-28 19:01:45
288.   monkeypants
Is Cano ever going to get a hit again?
2008-04-28 19:02:04
289.   rsmith51
What is wrong with Cano?
2008-04-28 19:02:09
290.   Mattpat11
I'm a fan of Joba.

Just wanted to let you know

2008-04-28 19:03:09
291.   monkeypants
287 But to be fair, Joba has to be used sometimes when you would normally save him, because he has to get innings.
2008-04-28 19:03:37
292.   Yankees Brasil
Is Cano ever going to hit above .200 for the first two months of the season?
2008-04-28 19:04:45
293.   monkeypants
Ah, but I see M' warming. I retract what I said--Girardi clearly sees Joba as the 8th inning guy, and we better get used it. I'd be willing to bet we never see him as a starter this season, if ever.
2008-04-28 19:04:58
294.   rsmith51
I am guessing that somebody has probably done this, but it would be interesting to rank pitchers in a bullpen and determine the average ranking when in a tie game vs. a 3 run lead. Or even down by 1 vs. a 3 run lead.
2008-04-28 19:05:21
295.   OldYanksFan
277 In MLB it's called the 'back pasture'.
280 Agreed. I also thought Moose was fine for another inning. Good Moose is better then anyone in the pen aside from JoMo. Until Phil and IPK can be counted on for 6 or 7 IP, we should be conserving the BP whenever possible.

Using 5 pitchers for a game we will by 3?

2008-04-28 19:05:45
296.   Yankees Brasil
Hey Britton warming up at the 'pen? Is it a joke? Are they pulling a prank on him? Cause he ain't pitching, that's for sure.
2008-04-28 19:06:02
297.   Shaun P
280 I'm not watching on TV, but is it possible that Joba was already warmed up and ready to go by the time the Yanks scored that 3rd run? In which case, Girardi had no choice but to bring him in?
2008-04-28 19:08:04
298.   wsporter
297 MFD, that's a roger.
2008-04-28 19:08:26
299.   rbj
I'm fine with JoMo tonight. Worry about tomorrow tomorrow. The bats might break out and the Yankees will win 14-3
2008-04-28 19:08:39
300.   Just fair
I'll break a cardinal rule, and just say Mo is going to lock this down.
The fact that Oakland and Anaheim have the most wins in the A.L. at 16, and the Yankees have 14, is simply astounding. The amount of shite this team has endured in the first month, and the fact we are where we are, cannot be understated.
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2008-04-28 19:09:22
301.   monkeypants
297 Even if that's the case, he should have just kept him out there for the 9th, and kept Mo fresh for the next series. But I guess I have beaten that dead horse dead enough.
2008-04-28 19:09:56
302.   nick
not to mention these espn jackoffs talking about how Joba needs to be the 8th inning guy if the Yanks want a shot at the postseason....
2008-04-28 19:09:57
303.   51cq24
mo is toying with them. he's throwing 93 and 89 alternately. very pretty.
2008-04-28 19:11:58
304.   3rd gen yankee fan
Mariano makes me happy.
2008-04-28 19:12:11
305.   rbj
The Yankees Win!!!
Good night all.
2008-04-28 19:12:17
306.   Mattpat11
I'm also pro Rivera
2008-04-28 19:13:17
307.   Just fair
Bizarre game, indeed. 5-5 on the road trip. TIme for some home cooking.
2008-04-28 19:13:33
308.   Mattpat11
What is Mo talking about?
2008-04-28 19:13:35
309.   Yankees Brasil
This is the year Mo doesn't give up a run!
2008-04-28 19:14:16
310.   williamnyy23
291 I'd much rather use Joba for two innings in close games than one inning in three-run games.

299 Worrying about tomorrow, tomorrow is what leads to Ross Ohlendorf pitching late in a tie game.

2008-04-28 19:15:20
311.   OldYanksFan
This is the last day of the 'terrible early schedule'. While there is much to criticize, here's how "we'll be happy to play .500 ball" wraps up.
14-13 record.
Only 1 game out of the division lead.
1.5 games ahead of Cleveland.
2.5 games ahead of Detroit.

If Indeed we are to fight Boston, Cleveland and Detroit for 3 PS spots, we are really in better shape then most of us anticipated. No?

2008-04-28 19:16:52
312.   williamnyy23
It's a nice win, but there are still lots of things from this game about which to be concerned. Instead of being negative, however, I'll focus on the two positives: Mussina really battled again under extreme duress and Farnsworth had another nice outing and is bordering on being useful.
2008-04-28 19:17:32
313.   Mattpat11
311 Indeed
2008-04-28 19:18:31
314.   monkeypants
310 In an ideal world you could "save" Joba for all the close games. But in the real world, if they are serious about getting him up to 135 or 140 innings, they can't do it one inning at a time or by waiting for close games. I would be in favor of using him two or even three innings every time he comes into the game. Of course, I also think that he should be starting (or pseudo-starting, by being married to Hughes or Kennedy) within a couple of weeks.
2008-04-28 19:18:50
315.   williamnyy23
311 Actually, no. I was really expecting a fast start, so 14-13 is very disappointing, especially when you think of all the games they didn't compete in (I'm thinking about that Baltimore series in particular). Just because all the other teams didn't get off to a good start doesn't mean the Yankees should be happy with 14-13. Had they played better, they could have a decent early season cushion.
2008-04-28 19:20:21
316.   Shaun P
301 I agree.

OTOH - I'm not giving up on Girardi yet. Small sample size caveats apply to managers too. He sat Mo in a tie game on the road the first time he faced that situation. What happens if he bring Mo in next time? Is he a genius?

Let's see what he does over the course of the year before we judge him too harshly, or too hastily.

Nice win tonight.

2008-04-28 19:21:44
317.   williamnyy23
314 Using him for one inning at a time is more likely to limit his innings than if you use him two innings in close games. Also, he isn't getting to 130-140 anyway if they keep in him the bullpen. The bottom line is Joba needs to be there for the high leverage and tonight wasn't that. I can see using Mo because MLB protocol demands it (and I am sure Mo would too), but Joba is a wasted weapon if he is used like he was today.
2008-04-28 19:21:47
318.   OldYanksFan
"nice outing and is bordering on being useful"
High praise indeed!
2008-04-28 19:24:45
319.   Mattpat11
318 I think he's being too generous.
2008-04-28 19:26:45
320.   monkeypants
317 I don't follow you--I don't want to limit his innings. If he is used one inning at a time he will never get more than about 70 INN for the season. I want him used two innings or more every time he pitches, even if it means being forced to use him on a rotation (say 2 innings every third game three out of five games or whatever) rather than in a strictly tactical role. It will also make it easier to transition him to the rotation.
2008-04-28 19:31:54
321.   tommyl
Every time someone tells me Joba is so much more valuable in the bullpen, I ask them why Wang, Beckett, Sabathia and Santana aren't used there? Surely Johan Santana would be a lights out 8th inning guy or closer. You could use him 3 games in 5 instead of 1 game. Why haven't the Mets considered this? Well, because they aren't morons.
2008-04-28 20:22:32
322.   weeping for brunnhilde
318 I know, that's delicious.
2008-04-28 20:36:54
323.   Jeb
291 absolute nonsense...If Joba is the 8th inning guy until July (and pitches 35-40 innings as a set up guy), he'll have time to get to 140 innings as a starter in the regular season (e.g., Moose has 32 in April and if Joba has 30 per month starting in July that's 90 and we're not even counting the post season. Realistically, we don't want him to pitch more than 150.

It's better to gice Joba and Mo an inning each than to try to have two 2 inning closers.

2008-04-28 20:49:47
324.   monkeypants
323 Maybe nonsense, maybe not. He has 11 INN right now. If he started in his next appearance, he would get 27 starts by the end of teh year. If he averages 5 INN/start (and ML starters are averaging 5.7 INN/start so far this season), he would pitch 135 INN in his starts, for a total of 146 INN.

If he keeps his current INN pace until July (85 games), he would have 37 INN. If he started in the rotation on July 1 (game 86), h would get 15 or 16 starts. To reach 135 INN, he would need to pitch 98 INN in those starts, or 6.1 to 6.5 INN/start. Do we really think that he will average over 6 INN/start? And everything that I have read assumes they want his limit to be closer to 140 or 145 INN.

If they want to stretch him this year, they have to start getting him more innings soon, or they will be more or less in the same boat again next year.

2008-04-28 20:53:12
325.   monkeypants
324 And i would add that if you 323 assume that he is the eighth inning guy until July, then he will only be pitching one inning at a time, and he would have to jump almost immediately from 1 INN/appearance to starting...and still probably not reach his innings limit. Or, you had have to stretch him for a couple of appearances (3 or 4 innings), so he would only get 13 or 14 "real" starts, making it less likely he reaches 135 INN, let alone 145 INN. Or, he has to be sent to the minors to get stretched to starting, which means losing him for several weeks.
2008-04-28 21:12:51
326.   Jeb
324 He pitched 116 last year. You only want to increase his workload by 30 innings a year. ASSUMING the Yanks make the playoffs you don't want him to already be at 150 innings. What do you do then? What if he's a dominant starter? Do you send him back to the pen, or let him start 3-4 times (assuming a world series as remote as that possibility seems right now) and get another 20-24 innings under his belt and risk letting him pitch 174 for the season total, which is a much larger increase?

I say that by the end of this year -- assuming it appears the Yanks are headed to the playoffs you only want him to have a maximum of 130 innings. However, if the Yanks are going to miss the playoffs, then let's stretch him out to 146.

Regardless, we don't need him getting too many innings. By the way, if he stretches in the minors those innings count too.

2008-04-28 21:15:05
327.   Jeb
and my bigger point is let's not waste Joba for 2 innnings in a 5-2 game. Now both he and Mo are available tomorrow for an inning each.
2008-04-28 21:20:41
328.   monkeypants
326 "By the way, if he stretches in the minors those innings count too."

Of course they do, but they don't help the big club. I'd rather stretch him by extending the innings in his relief appearance with the Yankees than farm him out for three weeks of starting for Scranton.

"ASSUMING the Yanks make the playoffs you don't want him to already be at 150 innings..."

That's the million dollar question. My approach is:

1. Do not assume to make the PS, and play your pitchers accordingly. Then

2. If it looks like you can make the PS comfortably, you worry about cutting innings later in the season (this is what the team did with Pettitte in '95, when he threw only a couple of INN in his last start).

3. If you are not sure that you can make the PS without him pitching his normal load, then you might as well keep using him right up to the innings limit--it does no good to save him for the PS you won't get to. And

4. If you squeak into the PS and he has used up his INN, you play it by ear. Maybe he goes into the PS as the #4 starter, and gets only one or two starts for 10 extra innings. Maybe you use him as a reliever for one INN here and there. or maybe you shut him down.

So overall, my philosophy is that there is no use saving a player for play offs that may never come, and if you do get to the playoffs, you re-evaluate the short term goal (winning in the PS) v. the long term goals (player development, injury risk management, etc.).

2008-04-28 21:32:08
329.   a O
Listen up, Joe: A-Rod is HURT, as in "has an injury." Put him on the damn DL. Yes, a pulled quad is not nearly as serious as a torn rotator cuff, but COME ON. The guy needs to SIT for a couple of weeks. Call someone up, get a roster spot, and let it HEAL. Jesus H. Christ.
2008-04-28 21:32:29
330.   monkeypants
In fact, I think that the way the Twins handled Santana in 2003 was basically ideal:

He increased his innings from 108 to 158 (+40, maybe a bit high). He pitched in relief 27 times fro about 58 INN, or a little over 2 INN/appearance. He started 18 times for about 100 INN, or a little over 5 INN/start. He had only 7 appearances of 1 or fewer innings.

2008-04-28 21:39:23
331.   Jeb
328 330 Joba missed probably 2-3 innings because he went to Oklahoma. Also, he has 1-2 innings left in this month. So, you're right, he has 11 innings, but he will end up with 12 for the month and should have had 14-15. Assuming 15 innings in May and June then he'd end up With 43 as of July 1 with 1/2 the season left. I still prefer my idea of pitching him 30 innings and month and that leaves him with around 13 for the post season.

Look, if he went from 116 to 133 that's not going to be the end of the world. He can pitch 165 next season and increase to 200 by 2010 assuming he stays healthy. 30 innings isn't the optimum, it's simply the max.

And I just don't see any reason to pitch him 2 innings against the tribe tonight. It's not a valid point.

2008-04-28 21:40:26
332.   Jeb
"a month" not "and month"
2008-04-28 21:48:46
333.   monkeypants
331 "And I just don't see any reason to pitch him 2 innings against the tribe tonight. It's not a valid point."

I agree with you to a degree, but we differ in philosophy. I would not have pitched him at all tonight, and used Britton instead. But if he is to come in the game, in my scheme he would do the Santana 2003 thing and pitch 2 INN most every time out, regardless of score.

I am also concerned that these one inning gigs only encourage him to rely on his fastball and slider, and not to develop his secondary pitches.

Good point about him missing time in OK; that has artificially suppressed his INN total so far.

2008-04-28 22:42:42
334.   Schteeve
I just want to say that Bob Watson is a tool. A-Rod has a bad quad and gets plunked in the leg, then Cano gets one in the ribs, and what's going to happen? Nothing. Yet Farnsworth throws near Manny and he's suspended??


2008-04-29 03:49:07
335.   monkeypants
334 It's about intent. Presumably they were not trying to hit A-Rod with the bases loaded. Throwing behind Manny's head after he hit a couple of bombs, however...

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