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2008-02-03 19:06
by Alex Belth
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Take that Beantown.

Holy cow.

2008-02-03 19:08:48
1.   Hugh Jorgan
Gridiron don't mean sh*t. See you in April when the real sport starts.
2008-02-03 19:14:01
2.   rsmith51
Congrats Giants fans! Your defensive line kicked ass the last 2 games.

From a sad Packer fan.

Go Yankees!

2008-02-03 19:14:11
3.   AbbyNormal821
Holy cow, Alex? How 'bout holy crap!!!! HAHA!!!

I'm not even a big football fan, but that was the most exciting final 5 minutes of a game I've EVER seen! 2 Manning Superbowl wins in a row - that's pretty damned cool!



2008-02-03 19:14:45
4.   Just fair
I am a Steeler fan, but I have never been so happy to see Bilichick and Co. walk off the field as failures. Totally sweet. I was kind of hoping Eli was going to loft a TD pass on that last snap. Congrats Giants. Time for baseball.
2008-02-03 19:16:11
5.   wsporter
Happy, Me, Very!!!!!!
2008-02-03 19:21:03
6.   AbbyNormal821
is it me or does Bradshaw sound like he ate a carton of Marlboro's for dinner?
2008-02-03 19:59:17
7.   Rolo Tomasi
Tis somewhat sad the joy that Giants win brought me. Somehow the sports world is a better place when the Patriots lose.
2008-02-03 19:59:56
8.   das411
And so does this victory finally end this crazy stretch of Boston > NY that started with "The Steal" back in 04?
2008-02-03 20:05:46
9.   Matt B
8 Yes, I believe so. As Dan M. first suggested to me a few weeks ago, a Giant victory over NE should restore order to the universe. that was a seriously good game. That Manning to Tyree pass to keep things going was one of the most amazing plays I have ever seen.'s baseball season now, right? Go Yanks!

2008-02-03 20:08:58
10.   Knuckles
This was my best sports day since Game 3, 19-8.

I told everyone 12 points was a ridiculous spread. Eli's clutch baby!

2008-02-03 20:09:00
11.   Max
I can tell you that here in Boston, they are in total shock. Even in 2003 with Aaron Boone, people were devastated but not totally surprised given the record of heartbreak the Sox had to that point. No one here even thought this could happen, and to see the look on the local newscasters' faces is just priceless.

I daydreamed about this sort of finish, but I didn't think it would actually come close to happening. Insane, insane catch by Tyree on that final drive -- man, so many highlights that they're going to be replaying over and over. This is going to be one of those legendary moments in New York sports history.

2008-02-03 20:13:16
12.   vockins
2008-02-03 20:36:34
13.   Bruce Markusen
Just when I'm ready to throw up the white flag on the sports scene--the Yankees are postseason underachievers, the Red Sox are winning too much, my Nets are horrid--something good comes along. Not only does a New York underdog like the Giants win, but they do so against a thoroughly unlikeable Patriots team.

Did anyone catch the article about Belichick in today's NY Post? He has done some bizarre and nefarious things along the way.

2008-02-03 20:37:32
14.   jalexei
They really are stunned up here - I'm soaking up the joy of watching a bereft Bill Lobel on WBZ rambling like a drunkard between pauses where he just stares off into the distance and runs his hand through his thinning hair.

I understand the confidence, I'm just amazed that people up here were so utterly convinced of a Pats win. As noted the spread was ridiculous - was nobody watching the Giant's last few games? That said, while I could imagine an upset, I was assuming the 'jints would figure out some way to foul things up, so this was unexpected enough that I'm surprised (not being a huge football fan) as to just how damn wonderful it feels - The Green Line is going to be a sweet, sweet ride tomorrow!

2008-02-03 21:46:04
15.   Jersey
The formerly unbeaten Pats

The temporarily unbeaten Pats

The unbeaten...up to a point Pats


2008-02-03 21:46:17
16.   Jersey
The formerly unbeaten Pats

The temporarily unbeaten Pats

The unbeaten...up to a point Pats


2008-02-03 21:55:33
17.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
This reminds me of the story about how, after a (first?) Patriots Super Bowl victory within the past some years, the crowd at a rally for the returning Patriots started chanting "Yankees Suck".

And I always thought that the New York side of the Boston-New York rivalry was apathetic about it... So much for that.

2008-02-03 22:06:43
18.   Adrian
So, I'm in Boston in a room full of Pats fans. Eli is lost from view in a sea of NE uniforms. They all stand up and start screaming, hugging each other and jumping up and down, and then Eli's out, and the football is flying through the air and they're quieting down and I'm on my feet screaming, yelling, and then Tyree somehow has the ball, and they're groaning and I'm still screaming...


2008-02-03 22:54:58
19.   williamnyy23
17 Has anyone said Red Sox suck? If not, I am not sure what your point is. New York sports fans are not celebrating simply because a Boston team lost (well, maybe some Jets fans are)...they are celebrating because a New York team beat them.
2008-02-03 23:01:04
20.   bobtaco
I'm not sure it makes up for 2004, but man, is it sweet!

18-1 is really a shot to the gut for them... especially after hearing all season how the Pats are the Best Team Evah™

Can't wait for the Sports Guy tomorrow on ESPN.

Check this too:

2008-02-04 01:09:49
21.   Chyll Will
19 Yes, but it's not that simple >;) Plus, who wants to be Tiki Barber right now?
2008-02-04 01:43:30
22.   Adrian
19 Can't it be both? And also the thrill that the scrappy underdog feels after winning the fight? It's all in there, man.
2008-02-04 04:20:44
23.   The Mick 536 had it right. We like football. We love baseball. Don't dig that clock thing.

HoWIE wore a Sox hat during the pregame. How bush.

Went to Andy Robustelli's summer camp in Stamford when I was a kid. The team had trained in VT, near where we live now. They moved their training to the Metropolitan area. Players who lived in the area came to the beach at Shippan Point. We played touch on the sand with them.

Used to be a real fan. Wore a LT shirt. Loved YAT, Connerly, and Phil. Good for Eli.

Bring on the Bombers. Go Cubbies, too.

2008-02-04 04:55:49
24.   rbj
Wow. Hot diggity-dog!
Wow. Just wow.
And it took Eli only 4 years to do what it took Peyton 9 years to do: beat the Patriots.
2008-02-04 05:21:35
25.   Sliced Bread
Too tired to banter. Must babble....

Best Super Bowl ever if you ask me, and I've been alive for all but one of 'em.
Didn't get home until well after midnight. Tucked in the kids, and watched the 4th quarter again, still standing, not believing. Still looks like watching a movie.
Voice is ragged from yelling. Hands are raw from clapping. Eyes are bleary and red from lack of sleep. Ah, sweet champagne. Host of the party only had one bottle chilled just in case. None of us thought we'd be toasting the trophy. Toasting Coughlin. Unbeleivable.

Heading east into glorious NY city on Rt. 3 this morning caught daybreak over Giants Stadium. The field lights were on, but were the champs home yet? Honked the horn like a lunatic anyway.
Woooooooooooooooooo! Way to go Big Blue D! Way to go Eli & Plax! Way to fight back!

Couldn't care less about the Red Sox angle here. Yanks have a lot of work to do before we're kings of that hill again.

Way to go Giants! Now, let's go Yanks!

2008-02-04 05:30:45
26.   Bronxer
20 It doesn't come CLOSE to making up for 2004 ...
2008-02-04 05:49:23
27.   Murray
Biggest choke of the 21st Century.
2008-02-04 05:50:46
28.   Bronxer
27 which one, the Yankees in 2004 or the Patriots in 2008?
2008-02-04 05:56:17
29.   Murray
28 08 Pats--Biggest Choke of the 21st Century.
2008-02-04 06:09:57
30.   Bronxer
29 As a Yankee fan who doesn't root for either the Giants or Patriots, I can say that this isn't even the biggest upset in the Super Bowl this century (see Patriots as 14 point underdogs to the Rams in 2001-02).

Also, saying they choked just takes away from the great game the Giants played.

However, losing four in a row (after winning 19-8 in game #3) is certainly a bigger "choke" than this ... has never been done before and probably won't be done again. This is the SECOND time a 14-point underdog has won the SB in the past 7 years.

2008-02-04 06:14:07
31.   horace-clarke-era
HUGELY satisfying game, but to call it a 'choke' is to distort the word out of measure. Just as it would not have been a choke if Brady's last TD to Moss had held up. Tired front line (after a massive game) and a defensive back falling down (!) after an equally strong game against Moss.

More than anything, this one feels like the Immaculate Reception story to me ... even to the absurd qb buying of time (as unlikely a scrambler as Bradshaw was!) before the completely improbable top-of-helmet grab by a backup receiver. Why we follow sports, isn't it?

A few shrewd columnists in the last while have written about how 'perfection' makes us nervous and resistant in sport, even as we long for records and 'firsts' ... I am truly not sure that the Patriots are properly treated to demonization. Or that Belichuck (a man I instinctively dislike, too) is 'worse' than a lot of the fabled coaches of sport. He mainly seems obsessive-compulsive, anal, do-anything-to-win, get-a-life ... and that seems to be a shared trait for a lot of them. Makes Tony Dungy look awfully good, doesn't he?

It was a terrific game. The kind that leaves you buzzing for awhile.

2008-02-04 06:23:11
32.   Bronxer
31 Good points. I certainly wouldn't call it a choke, just a great game by the Giants who rose to the occasion and clearly deserved to win this game. Hats off to them!
2008-02-04 07:14:28
33.   Murray
Everybody please stay on message: biggest choke of the 21st Century. If everybody keeps repeating the mantra it eventually becomes true. Red Sox fans understand this; it's time for Yankee fans to play the spin game.
2008-02-04 07:18:34
34.   Bronxer
33 Spin away.
2008-02-04 08:05:22
35.   williamnyy23
26 Absolutely. Football is the apetizer to baseball's main course. Nothing in football can make up for the 2004 Yankees. Fortunately, the 2003, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1996, 1978, 1977, 1962, 1961, 1958, 1956, etc. Yankees make up for the 2004 team.

28 I don't think either teams "choked", although Ellis Hobbs does think the Pats did.

2008-02-04 08:29:10
36.   Bronxer
35 Somehow the 1956 team et all doesn't do much for me here in 2008 ...
2008-02-04 09:16:00
37.   Raf
35 Yes, that's correct. I still believe that 2004 was just the law of averages working itself out.
2008-02-04 09:22:35
38.   Rob Middletown CT
I'm not a football fan, though I do watch games sometimes, and I watched the SB. My rooting interest, mild as it was, was to see the Pats pull off the perfect season. They simply outplayed. The Giants defense flat-out owned the Pats O-line, and Brady had no time at all. Eli, on the other hand, was well-protected (and played well, to his credit). Even with that, it took some pretty lucky stuff for the Giants to win. The sack that wasn't helmet catch play, for instance. That was crazy.

Great game. Right down to the wire (or close, anyway).

2008-02-04 23:13:34
39.   cocorn
Here's the irony lost on everyone. The pats are the yankees of football, and the reaction here sounds just like sox fans reacting to the yankees.

"williamnyy23:New York sports fans are not celebrating simply because a Boston team lost"

You're either living in an igloo or on crack. Take the blinders off. Oh wait, it's you...

2008-02-06 19:44:20
40.   JCP22
The problem with 2004 wasn't losing four in a row but losing games four and five with a late lead. It still bothers me to this day. Having said that, when I first heard someone say a Giants win would be fitting payback for 2004, I did break into a wide, agreeing smile. Perfection in the NFL with the salary cap and free agency would have been a huge accomplishment and to have the Giants deliver the blow is so sweet that I don't even have the words. Payback is sweet indeed.

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