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Cone Do
2008-01-29 05:40
by Alex Belth
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My apologies for the radio silence. I was away for a few days. Be back in the swing of things shortly. Meanwhile, I'm behind on all the news....

Hey, looks like Robbie Cano will be in pinstripes for some time to come, huh? That's cool. It also appears as if David Cone is set to join the YES broadcast booth. I thought Coney would have jumped directly from his uniform to the booth but it's taken a few years (the Boss wasn't too wild about Cone playing for the Mets again either). Be interesting to see how he does.

2008-01-29 06:04:05
1.   Sliced Bread
Very glad they locked in Cano, and very much looking forward to Coney TV. I think he'll be insightful and objective, but also diplomatic enough to not insult the organization, or piss off the bosses. Could be the beginning of a great career in broadcasting for Cone.
2008-01-29 06:21:45
2.   JL25and3
There's an interview with Mike Pagliarulo over at BP that's an absolute riot. His overall thesis seems to be that traditional scouting and statistical analysis are both necessary, an analysis worthy of Anne Elk (

Pags is a consultant now, and he's learned to talk like a consultant. The interview's at, but it's subscription only, so here are some of my favorite clips:

We use reports that incorporate diverse knowledge. Our system uses diverse expertise and collaborative efforts, and we use consensus. In our group everyone is vital to the outcome, therefore everyone is extremely important. We use different types of knowledge and sciences to get to the end results, and because of that, our projections are more accurate with a very high percentage of identifying what our group actually sees.

Q: Scouting has long been considered an inexact science. Are you saying that you can make it more exact?
A: What I'm saying is that scouting is a science of empiricism unlike the naturalism or experimentation type of sciences currently within the game. My type of evaluation is a mixture of sciences, and science is merely a system of acquiring knowledge based on the level of expertise.

We've created a system where we can perform a thorough needs-analysis with a franchise,
customized to identify their core, trade-prospects, organizational guys and non-prospects, and their international needs. We identify and evaluate their philosophy and core processes, we create a gap analysis and generate creative results for unique solution design.

I've read through hundreds of documents and medical journals, and most state that the best preventative measures for injuries, and risk factors, require adjustments to "proper mechanics of pitching." Yet, there's not one place that has the proper mechanics of pitching. Not one. There are many theories, but there's not one standard that can be tested, measured, and proven--until now. That's been my research, and I've proven it. I just have to make it official.

2008-01-29 06:29:50
3.   rbj
I got bingo right from Pag's first paragraph

2008-01-29 06:33:51
4.   nemecizer
Very happy about the Cano deal. We get team options for two years when he could be a free agent. If he is a rock star we probably get him cheap. If he slacks off now that he has a long term contract, we buy him out cheap.

Looks like a great deal for all parties.

2008-01-29 06:48:51
5.   ChrisS
4 Great deal for all parties except for Cano if he starts putting up .950+ OPS.

But that's really all there is and I feel that if he starts hitting like an MVP, the Yanks will give him a nice fat extension. Overall, a great deal for the Yankees. The kid can hit and play superb D - there's nothing not to like.

2008-01-29 07:09:37
6.   dianagramr

I like the deal too (you should have read the negative feedback to my opinion on the baseball group on LiveJournal ... LOL), unless it turns out Cano is actually 2-3 years older than his current records indicate.

(cynic mode off)

2008-01-29 07:10:06
7.   Knuckles
3 Nice.
- A statistician counts the sheep in one quarter of the field and multiplies by four. This takes 10 minutes.
- An accountant counts each sheep as he marks it so he does not double count, then calls in 3 colleagues to do the same. This takes 10 weeks.
- A consultant counts all the legs, then divides by four. This takes ten months, after which the consultant will tell you that your sheep are obsolete and you'll need a new flock.
2008-01-29 07:14:50
8.   Sliced Bread
7 The Red Sox fan dresses the sheep in a Varitek jersey, then beds the animal. This takes 3 minutes.
2008-01-29 07:32:00
9.   ms october
7 Shouldn't someone talk to the sheep - cause I'm pretty sure they are not down for 8 .

I am good with the Cano signing too. I don't really understand the Yanks' semmingly previous philospohy to not extend the young ones - anybody have some good insight?

2008-01-29 07:48:34
10.   Just fair
8 That's the funniest thing I have ever read on this site. Good thing I wasn't drinking coffee at the time.
2008-01-29 08:04:59
11.   weeping for brunnhilde
Thrilled about Robby. When he's on, he's far and away my favorite hitter on the club. Those ropes of his just send shivers down my spine.

And yes, his defense is fabulous.

My two concerns, however, are indeed that he might slack off or, contrariwise, that he'll get homer-happy and become a middling power hitter rather than the elite contact hitter he could be. Dude could be a Boggs or Carew, for Christ's sake.

So privileged to have him on our team.

2008-01-29 08:14:59
12.   RIYank
9 Yeah, the old Yankee theory was that if you can afford it, you get better results if you wait to make sure the player is the Real Deal before you ink a longer contract. That way you weed out the guys who are really good at 24 and mediocre at 27. Of course, you also pay more for the guys who are awesome at 28.

I think they've realized now that the guys who fizzle between 24 and 27 are rarer than they thought.

2008-01-29 09:24:53
13.   Chyll Will
2 So it's come to this, Pags is either Dogbert in consultant mode or has transformed into another Pointy Haired Boss (I'll take PHB and the under)...
2008-01-29 09:34:17
14.   JL25and3
13 I don't think he's smart enough to be Dogbert. PHB all the way.

9 , 12 I think the philosophy used to be that they paid big bucks to free agents, so they'd fight the kids for every nickel. They took Bernie to arbitration every damn year.

2008-01-29 09:53:39
15.   ChrisS
More Santana:

"... spur the Yankees to give the Twins the package they have requested, which includes pitchers Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy."

Meanwhile the Sox have supposedly pulled Lester off the table or greatly reduced the package accompanying him.

"The Yankees appear to be not presently engaged whatsoever in the Santana talks."

With fantasy trade scenarios like IPK AND Hughes compared to Lester for the Sox, I can see why Cash has decided that the Twins are not serious.

Unfortunately, I'd hate to see the Sox pick up Santana for a song while the Yankees are being held over the fire.

2008-01-29 10:05:26
16.   standuptriple
15 I love that the Yanks have to pay 130 cents on the dollar for every deal (unless they are swallowing huge salary in said deal). Those poor Sox must have a hard time not getting sweetheart deals not involving FLA.

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