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The Future is Now
2008-01-10 05:48
by Alex Belth
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

The IRT was all busted this morning so I took the express bus into Manhattan instead. Along the way, we passed by the two Yankee Stadiums on the Major Deegan. The night work lights were still on in the new park, though the sky behind it was already bright, the sun reflecting off the red and yellow cranes that stick up into the sky. I've always gotten a rush passing the Stadium on the Major D. The park practically sticks out onto the highway, like a big, round jaw. The new stadium receeds into the background, and isn't nearly as dramatic. Still, it's coming along, like it or not. Pretty soon, the final year at the old location will begin, and before you know it, it will be but a memory.

The guys over at River Ave. Blues have been diligently charting the progress of the new stadium. If you are interested, I suggest you stop by and pay them a visit.

Meanwhile, Hank Steinbrenner appears to be cooling on the idea of trading for Johan Santana. According to Peter Botte in the News:

"We went into this with me making the final baseball decisions and Hal more addressing the financial aspects of the company, but we both do everything," Steinbrenner said yesterday in a phone interview. "We're equal partners, but at this point, to tell you the truth, I'm leaning away from it anyway, so it doesn't matter. Same thing with Brian, he's another integral part of it, obviously, being the general manager, and one day he's leaning to do it and the next day he's not sure.

"But what it comes down to right now is giving up a lot (in a trade) and then having to do the big contract, as well. If (Santana) was just a free agent, we could just go ahead and do it. There's a big difference this way. We have to sign him as if he's a free agent, plus you have to give up major talent. That's a tall order."

..."I don't know what he'd even want, or what they'd settle for. I don't know. We obviously haven't talked to him or his agent, so I have no idea," Steinbrenner said. "But a six- or seven-year extension, no, I wouldn't do that."

Aaron Gleeman would rather the Twins get Phillip Hughes over Jacoby Ellsbury.

Comments (82)
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2008-01-10 06:19:21
1.   williamnyy23
I think the reason acquiring Santana isn't a no-brainer is because you would BOTH have to give up highly valued prospects as well as sign him to a long-term, market value contract. If the package didn't include Hughes, or if Santana was below market for 2-3 seasons, it obviously becomes a slam dunk.

The other thing that makes the deal questionable from the Yankees stand point is that they'd be giving up pitching prospects. Because Santana is also a pitcher, the loss of Hughes and Kennedy/Marquez would mitigate against the obvious improvement. The Red Sox and Mets, however, are giving up position players as the primary elements of their respective deals.

Unfortunately for the Yankees, the chance that the Red Sox could get Santana is enough to counteract all the other elements that scream do not make this deal. The latest rumor is that the Mets could have Santana if they'd include Martinez in the deal. I am sure the Yankees are hoping Minaya makes that concession.

2008-01-10 06:31:28
2.   ny2ca2dc
1 I think we're all hoping the Mets cave. How do they trade Lastings Millage for junk and then not make that Santana deal. Santana could dominate the NL (and then at least be a great #2) for years and years. The Mets have enough money and young/youngish position players (Reyes, Wright, Beltran) to buy an offense...

Come on Omar, Santana's even Latino!

2008-01-10 06:37:42
3.   rbj
I'd rather Santana go to the Mets than the Red Sox. But I'm even more firmly in the camp of holding onto our guys rather than giving them up for Johann -- may not be the rational move, but that's how I feel.

Oh, and Hank is throwing himself open to a tampering charge here. Maybe he should get a two year ban, it worked the last time a Steinbrenner got suspended. . .

2008-01-10 06:42:27
4.   Rob Middletown CT
I'd love it if Omar went nuts and traded the Mets farm for Johan. That keeps our young guns in place, and also prevents Johan from going to Boston.

And Hank still needs to STFU. He's really getting on my nerves.

2008-01-10 06:44:54
5.   ny2ca2dc
3 I like this part of the Hank quote best, "I'm leaning away from it anyway". Cashman has that reputation as being a skilled internal politic-er (one would have to be so, to survive so long in that organization), maybe Cash has rebalanced the power structure in his favor. That would be perfection.
2008-01-10 06:45:44
6.   williamnyy23
3 I also really liked the we'd definitely sign him as a FA line, but I don't think that would qualify as tampering. Still, I hope Johan's agent reads that quote and files it away.
2008-01-10 06:48:25
7.   wsporter
IMO if the Sawx really wanted JS at a market rate they'd have him by now. If we jump for him now it will be because we panicked. I think Hank is telling the truth in so far as he says he doesn't want to trade for him at market rate and then deal with him as though he is a free agent. We need to continue to do this Kabuki dance with the Sawx to make sure they don't swweep in and get him below market and also make sure we don't dive in at or above market. It's sort of nuclear brinksmanship except the fate of world really is at stake this time.

I think I've been pretty consistent in this in that I believe chances are best that JS will stay in Mn this year and we will (attempt to?) pay a king's ransom for him as a FA next November. If Hank and the boys have their druthers they'll continue to do this dance for a while longer until JS says "...too late I'm not waiving my no-trade now that ST is here". The madness will re-erupt around the waiver deadline but unless MN is burried in the standings I don't see it as a more likely event then.

It's old and played but it beats steroids 9 ways till Sunday.

2008-01-10 06:49:54
8.   williamnyy23
4 I agree that Hank should STFU, but only if his comments are actually stopping the Yankees from conducting business. Who knows, maybe Hank's comments are part of a master plan. It's not like what he is saying doesn't make sense.
2008-01-10 06:51:58
9.   williamnyy23
5 Howard Rubinstein also recently issued a press release reiterating that Hank was not solely in charge. It seems as if the entire organization (i.e., Hal, Cashman and GSIII) has had to remind Hank that he isn't the "man with the final say".
2008-01-10 07:14:31
10.   Sliced Bread
Something tells me Hank's resolve to keep the kids won't last as long as his annual resolution to quit smoking.

I'm not suggesting Britney Spears has a better knack for maintaining custody of kids, but doesn't it seem the more Hank tries to talk himself out of the trade, the more likely it is he'll go through with it?

I'm not suggesting the man doesn't have a longterm plan, and well-defined goals, but would it surprise anyone if Hank announced today he's going to finally settle this epic organizational debate over a game of air hockey?

"I win, we get Santana. Cash wins, he takes the kids to Disney."

2008-01-10 07:20:07
11.   ms october
I have a friend who lives by Yankees stadium and when I go to NY and visit - the last year or so it has struck me how what a weird sight the new stadium is - especially where it is located - it feels like it is kind of creeping into the neighborhood around Jerome ave (I think that is the right street) which does make it have the receding into the background feel.

I don't think the debate, both internally among the Yanks fo or among fans about Santana is going to fully go away until if/when he is moved. I would take wsporter's notion one step further - I think if anyone (Mets, Dodgers, Angels, Sox, Yanks) really wanted him they would have had him by now. I don't get the sense it is really the Twins holding things up (but could very well be wrong) - but basically exactly what Hank said - it is the double price of prospects and cash that no one wants to pay in the current landscape. One interesting part is whether Santana would rather wait and hit the open market or be traded and have the security of the extension now.

2008-01-10 07:41:15
12.   ny2ca2dc
11 I think you're right ("if anyone ... really wanted him they would have had him by now"), and I think this brings up an interesting issue. The Twins waited too long to trade Santana.

Look at the return for, say, Texiera, Haren, Miggy Cabrera, maybe Bedard, and clearly teams are valuing the dollars and length on the contract. Obviously, this is isn't surprising, but maybe there is a lesson here. If you have a guy that's going to cost SO much money, e.g. Johan, you've got to at least give teams a couple years of his services. Those years you trade don't have to be cheap (like Haren's are), but these days teams wont trade a huge haul for a short rental. Maybe the Alfonso Soriano non-trade should have been read in this light (instead of reading it as Bowden's incompetence/greed). So maybe what I'm saying is that more and more teams are taking a longer term view of things.

2008-01-10 07:44:01
13.   Schteeve
I'm glad to see that Hank appears finally, to get it. Essentially trading for Santana, and then having to sign him up to a hefty contract is paying for him twice. The opportunity cost (getting rid of Hughes et al.) is so unknown that it makes it a really hard move for me to get behind.
2008-01-10 07:45:41
14.   Raf
11 It seems that way because the new stadium is surrounded by trees & hills. The new park is framed quite well by Jerome & Anderson Aves
2008-01-10 07:45:57
15.   horace-clarke-era
7 I'd be stunned if JS is not traded. Twins have absolutely zero to gain by hanging on to him. They are NOT going to compete with Tigers and Indians this year. For Santana it is possibly best to hang on until he's a free agent (can extract more $ if people aren't also paying out players?) but I can't see him clinging to his no-trade and being reviled for a full year in Minny for doing so. The parameters of what he'll get ($20-22 million) seem fairly narrow, as does the length: 5-6 years.

A query, has anyone considered what Yanks would likely DO for CF with Melky gone? Back when I thought they'd add one of the decent CFs, and be forced to factor that into cost (50 million for 5 years for Rowand, or some such). Who is left now? Damon Rides Again? Surely, surely not!

And finally, since I can't leave it: I am SO glum about Congress jumping in. My whole hope for Mitchell, as some here will remember, was that the report would force Selig and Fehr to get busy, going forward, not looking back, to forestall Congress ... looks like that's just not gonna happen. The circus begins and it'll be ugly.

2008-01-10 07:46:34
16.   williamnyy23
12 The alternative to trading a player too early might be trading him midseason. This way, a team like the Twins could hold onto Santana with the hopes of winning in the current season, and, if that doesn't work out, trade him at the deadline. Sure, the prospects would likely be less (unless you catch a desparate team), but at least you'd have had the chance to win in the current season.
2008-01-10 07:50:08
17.   Howie
11 My favorite ballparks outside of the Bronx are ones that blend into the neighborhood (Wrigley, San Fran, Fenway) as opposed to parks in the middle of nowhere (Shea).

It will definitely be weird to go to a new Yankee Stadium, but it will be fun if it feels like part of the Bronx. Hopefully, the Yankees can create a destination like the Sox did opening up Yawkey way to fans during the game.

Any chance the Twins get desperate and make a deal without Hughes (Melky, IPK, Horne)?

2008-01-10 07:52:42
18.   williamnyy23
15 Why aren't they going to compete? If Liriano is healthy, the Twins most certainly will be a factor. Detroit and Cleveland are not that far ahead of Minnesota.
2008-01-10 07:54:47
19.   Schteeve
16 I think a mid season trade is the most likely scenario.
2008-01-10 07:57:48
20.   ms october
12 Agreed - good points. It was infuriating people that in his chats Keith Law kept saying you would only get Santana for one year (people kept maintaining that anyone would sign him to an extension - which he knew) - but your point is dead on that you only get him at a "reasonable" price for a year.

15 I am really not trying to sound like a jerk - because I agree with your hope to move forward - but that was wishful thinking. The fact that the Mitchell report focused so much on supposed ped users from the past rather than the current flaws made that near impossible, coupled with the big fish of Clemens, and the congressional circuses rarely seem to operate in real time - that is examining the current issue.

16 I think your paranthetical captures the Twins thinking - they are hoping some team (most likely the Yanks in their view) will get desperate and need Sanatna in June/July and overspend for him.

2008-01-10 07:59:15
21.   standuptriple
16 19 So you think Santana (and his agent) claiming they would use their no-trade clause during the season was just posturing? From what I gather, Johan is a man of few words. I'd count on him sticking to that. And what would the Twins look like if they traded him for much less than they've been holding out for this whole time?
2008-01-10 08:14:02
22.   horace-clarke-era
21 Agreed. And because he's upfront about it, he gets dumped on less if he sticks to his word.

Further, Twins need to assume the candidates are all in the hunt come July and ready to mortgage at a HIGHER level than now. It is a decent wager NY and Boston and Mets are all in there, but not a lock given that:

18 Predictions are a mug's game, but I think the Twin roster (even with Liriano in his first, and usually shaky, postsurgery year) isn't even on the same field as the seriously improved Tigers and the young and very strong Indians. No wildcard comfort in the AL east this year.

2008-01-10 08:15:42
23.   Shaun P
15 18 The question is, how do the Twins evaluate their chances?

My guess is, this is how Bill Smith sees his team. "We can compete in the Central, but only due to our pitching, because the Tigers and Indians can definitely outhit us. But that's OK, we're a pitching and defense kind of team. We have the best closer in the division, the best bullpen, and with Johan and Liriano, we have the best 1-2 punch, maybe in the league." GMs, especially new GMs, especially of teams that were close to or did compete last year, are an optimistic bunch. Billy Beane is the rare exception.

I would be shocked if Smith trades his team's best chance at competing in the Central. I think the Twins keep Santana.

2008-01-10 09:13:45
24.   wsporter
10 "I'm not suggesting Britney Spears has a better knack for maintaining custody of kids ..."

Slice, that's just mean. :-)

2008-01-10 09:14:50
25.   Mattpat11
"Broadway" Aaron Rowand guarantees the Giants will compete. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's wrong.
2008-01-10 09:28:20
26.   williamnyy23
21 I can't see Santana vetoing a trade assuming he wants to play for the team and he can get his extension. Johan would be cutting of his nose to spite his face if he forced himself to stay on a Twins team that presumably would be out of it. I am sure the organization and fans also would react very negatively.

22 If you are not in love with the prospects being offered now, you don't have to get a BETTER deal in the midseason. Having a chance at success in 2008 would be compensation for the lesser package, unless of course things like success are not nearly as important as the bottom line.

23 With Santana and Liriano fronting a strong bullpen, the Twins could very well win the division if Mauer and Morneau have seasons more like 2006 than 2007. While the Indians are a very nice team, they aren't without question marks, namely is Fausto Carmona really an ace. Keep in mind that the Indians essentially won with a league average offense, a strong bullpen and two stud pitchers. That sounds like a best case scenario for the 2008 Twins.

As for the Tigers, I am not all that sure they improved themselves much. Their pitching staff is still questionable and, while Cabrera is a huge addition, I also think Mags is due for a huge correction, which would offset some of the gain.

2008-01-10 09:39:17
27.   Schteeve
21 I guess we'll just have to sit back and see how it plays out. I'm not a mind reader and I don't know any of the parties involved intimately.
2008-01-10 09:56:14
28.   Shaun P
25 Perhaps he meant compete in the sense of "if we played the same schedule as a our AA affiliate".

If not, maybe he'd place a friendly wager with us, put his money where his mouth is.

2008-01-10 10:30:06
29.   JL25and3
Aren't people a little quick to pencil Liriano in as a #2 ace? Yeah, he'll recover fine from elbow surgery - but doesn't it often take a year to get back in stride?

The rest of the rotation is lousy. I like what Delmon Young might become, but I'm not confident he's there yet. In the best case, he'd give them a 5-man lineup followed by a huge dropoff.

The Tigers and Indians have questions, sure, but the Twins have bigger questions. If the Twins' answers are all "Yes" and the other teams get all "No," Minnesota will be right there. Otherwise, I don't see it.

2008-01-10 10:31:36
30.   tommyl
PeteAbe has a short note up on Phil Hughes. Apparently, he used some of his bonus money to buy a place in Florida. He's already reported to camp to start working out early. C'mon, please hold on to this kid. Please.
2008-01-10 10:35:15
31.   williamnyy23
29 I wouldn't say Baker and Slowey are awful. Granted, Liriano is far from a given, but IF he is 3/4 of what he was, then the Twins have the two best 1-2 punch in the division. I don't think the Twins need the Tigers and Indians to falter in order to compete...they just need their questions answered positively.
2008-01-10 10:41:11
32.   JL25and3
I'd expect Zito to bounce back with a decent year this year. That gives them Zito, Cain, Lincecum, Lowry - a pretty solid rotation, at least, even without a real #1 pitcher.

But man, that lineup stinks. Rowand, Randy Winn and...

2008-01-10 10:48:00
33.   Yankee Fan In Boston
30 i just smiled so much it hurt.
2008-01-10 10:51:31
34.   tommyl
33 Via MLBTraderumors:

Christensen says Mets owner Fred Wilpon gave Omar Minaya the green light to try to acquire Santana, meaning he's amenable to a contract extension exceeding $100MM.

That made me smile even more. I know I'm letting some fanboy creep into my objectivity, but I simply love Phil Hughes. I've been following him since he was drafted. He's a kid with ace potential, he's pitched in the playoffs in NY well and he reports to work early!

2008-01-10 11:02:37
35.   Chyll Will
32 ..and then pass the gin? >;)
2008-01-10 11:02:55
36.   Shaun P
32 Roberts-Rowand-Winn as an OF trio might hit 40 HR combined. The IF might struggle to top 30 HR combined (unless they re-sign Feliz to play 3B). The Giants may have a historically bad offense. They should be a lot of fun to watch, in the way the '03 Tigers were fun to watch.
2008-01-10 11:04:32
37.   YankeeInMichigan
26 Cabrerra over Inge is 75 offensive runs (granted, he'll give back 6-8 on defense). Renteria over Casey is another 15-20. Shedding Craig Monroe is another 20-25. Corrections for Ordonez and Palanco and possible continued declines by Guillen, Sheffield and Pudge will not cost 110 runs.
2008-01-10 11:08:45
38.   williamnyy23
37 On what basis are you making those estimates. For example, Sean Casey has a career OPS+ of 110. Renteria has a career OPS+ of 97. How exactly does that translate to Renteria adding 15-20 offensive runs. It's actually very possible that Renteria could result in a loss of runs.
2008-01-10 11:09:22
39.   Mattpat11
32 I think you're giving even Rowand and Winn too much credit.
2008-01-10 11:13:39
40.   williamnyy23
37 Just as an illustration of my point, if you use RC as the metric, Cabrera does add 68 runs over Inge, but Ordonez' 2007 netted 56 more runs than his 2006 campaign.
2008-01-10 11:21:28
41.   JL25and3
The Twins train in Ft. Myers, only 100 miles from Tampa...

[ducks]

2008-01-10 11:29:41
42.   YankeeInMichigan
41 I was using last season's VORP tempered by recent trends. With Mags, I am assuming that he has broken out of his 2004-2006 funk. He should "regress" to his 2000-2003 numbers for a year before beginning his decline.
2008-01-10 11:39:11
43.   Sliced Bread
41 Since we know Farnswacker throws 100mph, couldn't he, in theory, throw himself from Tampa to Ft. Myers in an hour?

[ducks]

2008-01-10 11:41:22
44.   tommyl
43 Not if he gets hit by the train leaving Smyrna at 4pm, travelling at 85mph.
2008-01-10 11:47:08
45.   williamnyy23
42 If you use VORP, it would be unfair to compare Renteria to Casey. You'd have to compare Guillen to both Casey and Renteria and then net the difference. Also, did you also assume that Inge not as bad as the 2007 version, but more like the 2004-2006 version as well?

As for Mags, I am not sure how safe a bet it is to think that a 34 year old will revert permanently to his prime. The bigges difference I see with Mags 2007 campaign was his .363 BA, which was over 40 points higher than his career high. Considering that BA is one of the more arbitrary stats, I think a significant regression is definitely a strong possibility.

2008-01-10 11:56:13
46.   pistolpete
26 >> Their pitching staff is still questionable >>

Willis, Verlander, Bonderman - most publications/sites have them in the top 5 in starting staffs in all of baseball - which part were you 'questioning', exactly?

2008-01-10 11:59:51
47.   JL25and3
44 And hitting Farnsworth seems to be a pretty easy thing to do.
2008-01-10 12:03:27
48.   tommyl
46 Bonderman was hurt for much of 2007, and Willis could be a trainwreck in the AL. Hell, he was one in the NL last year.
2008-01-10 12:08:14
49.   Chyll Will
44 Somebody get on it then; we've got less than an hour to make this happen!
2008-01-10 12:10:54
50.   williamnyy23
46 Verlander has no questions. As for the others:

1) Willis: He is coming off a season with a 5.17 ERA and has seen his peripherals decline over the last three seasons.

2) Bonderman: He has a career ERA+ of 93 (91 last season). He has had only one season above league average. He also ended last season with concerns about the health of his shoulder.

3) Bullpen - Jones will 40 and Zumaya could miss most of the year.

When you consider that Willis and Bonderman are the Tigers #2 and #3 (not #4 and #5), I don't see how anyone could suggest they are top-5 in baseball. Not only do Bonderman and Willis have to significantly reverse recent trends (in Bonderman's case, a career long trend), but guys like Rogers, Maroth, Robertson, etc. have to find away to be above league average. I just don't see the Tigers having a very good pitching staff, especially now the Jurjens and Miller are out of the mix.

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2008-01-10 12:12:08
51.   williamnyy23
I am stealing this from a Joe Sheehan chat, but if the Twins really want to win in 2008, all they have to do is keep Santana and sign Barry Bonds.
2008-01-10 12:36:31
52.   Mattpat11
I'm starting to wonder about Bonderman. He's still very young yes, but at some point you'd think he'd show some sign of all this potential he supposedly has.
2008-01-10 12:41:12
53.   tommyl
49 Ahhh, SAT humor. Sad that Krazy Kyle would never get the joke.
2008-01-10 12:50:27
54.   Mattpat11
Kyle hasn't been traded yet?
2008-01-10 12:50:41
55.   dianagramr
53

I'm sure we could come up with an SAT question Kyle could understand ...

"Robbie Reliever doesn't like to relieve on consecutive days, stating that his back tightens up. His co-workers, Stanley Setup, Claudio Closer, Lenny Longman and Manny Mopup are all capable of pitching on consecutive days. If Robbie's team has to play games on 20 consecutive days (as per the collective bargaining agreement) ...

a) what is the maximum number of games Robbie can appear in?
b) what is the minimum number of games it will take before Robbie's manager, Billy Bullpenbalancer, gives Robbie a stern talking to?
c) which team will Robbie be dealt to for a low level minor league catching prospect?

2008-01-10 12:53:21
56.   tommyl
55 That is hilarious. I managed (just barely) to suppress guffawing, which would have frightened my office mate.
2008-01-10 12:54:45
57.   tommyl
55 Can we throw in an extra credit question (in honor of EDSP):

Extra Credit: In the same scenario, how many sets of equipment can Robbie Reliever light on fire in the given time period?

Extra Extra Credit: Describe whether this reaction is endothermic or exothermic.

2008-01-10 12:56:11
58.   dianagramr
57

touche !

2008-01-10 13:01:32
59.   JL25and3
54 Your two favorite words, Mattpat: Fair value.
2008-01-10 13:05:07
60.   Mattpat11
59 And once again, I ask, is it fair value for Kyle's actual value or the value of the absurd contract we gave him?
2008-01-10 13:09:47
61.   Chyll Will
57 Given that he's prone to screaming "F@#$!!!" into his mitt for failing to make the ball burst into flames (at least he tries), it's hard to say, but I suppose it would would be exothermic, given his noted failure to achieve the effort noted previously. But does it count as endothermic if Krazy inspires others to light his equipment on fire?
2008-01-10 13:11:29
62.   dianagramr
61

Dear "Mythbusters" ....

2008-01-10 13:14:28
63.   Chyll Will
60 Either way, it's foul value...
2008-01-10 13:21:23
64.   Chyll Will
62 That's not nice... their heads might explode if you ask them that!
2008-01-10 13:31:33
65.   tommyl
62 I'm still upset they botched the corked bat myth. They concluded that a corked bat was of no value because when swung at the same speed as a regular bat it hits the ball less hard. However, that's not the point, with a corked bat you can swing faster. They should have first measured how much faster various people can swing a corked bat, then tested whether at that higher speed it hit a ball harder than a regular bat.
2008-01-10 13:48:30
66.   jkay
New Stadium Pix....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8484396@N08/sets/

2008-01-10 14:19:30
67.   Raf
65 You may swing faster, but whatever speed you gained is lost because of bat density, or at least that's how I remember it...
2008-01-10 15:02:43
68.   JL25and3
66 Nice pictures.

Meanwhile, the new mall is going up right across the street from my office (the site of the old Terminal Market and House of Detention). Going up surprisingly fast, too.

2008-01-10 15:55:43
69.   tommyl
67 Not shown. How much faster do you swing compared to the loss in bat density? How does it scale? Its not that simple, which is why I was hoping they would do it right on the show. Oh well.
2008-01-10 17:39:06
70.   williamnyy23
69 There have been more than a few studies done on the effect of corked bats and the results of ranged from a slight advantage to negligble to a slight improvement. Also, with new bat technology, the same advantages of corking (lighter weight) can be achieved with a legal bat.
2008-01-11 06:51:57
71.   horace-clarke-era
"FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal believes Mike Cameron could soon sign with the Yankees or Brewers.
The Yankees were saying they wouldn't bring in a starting center fielder even if they dealt Melky Cabrera, but that was just more deception. It is a surprise that they'd perhaps put in a bid for Cameron before trading Cabrera. Rosenthal seems to believe that Cabrera could go to Cubs, Reds, Braves, Royals or Pirates in return for prospects. The Cubs also have some level of interest in Cameron, but he's more likely to get multiple years elsewhere. "

If true, a possible answer to my question of yesterday about CF. Would mean Melky's gone, also, either for Santana, or in another deal.

2008-01-11 07:18:28
72.   ToyCannon
Just a little something from Baseball HQ on Boom Boom Betemit

"The Yankees front office has indicated that they are happy with their current first base situation. Part of that situation is Wilson Betemit (1B/3B, NYY). Betemit will be 27 years old in 2008, and his PX rose from 139 in 2006 to 167 last season. That increase in PX was accompanied by a rising fly ball rate, making Betemit a prime breakout candidate if he gets enough AB. We are projecting 243 AB and 15 HR at the moment, but if circumstances lead to 400 AB, Betemit could hit 25 HR. He's worth tucking away at the right price."

2008-01-11 09:04:33
73.   dianagramr
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/01/10/yankees-sign-of-lane/

Lane signed to minor league deal.

2008-01-11 09:15:31
74.   mehmattski
What happened to Emma's article about Safe at Home?
2008-01-11 09:19:31
75.   Peter
74 I was just about to ask the same thing. It was 134 'd.
2008-01-11 10:00:42
76.   Shaun P
74 75 Didn't 134 strike at about the same time of day (12:10 PM EST) the last time?
2008-01-11 10:22:51
77.   Max
74 I thought I was the only one hallucinating...the "Safe at Home" review showed up in my RSS reader, but it brings up a dead link on the Banter. Google references the review if you do a search, but doesn't have the review in its cache.

There's even a movie blog (actually more of a link farm) that provides a (now) dead link to the original review. 134 indeed.

2008-01-11 10:40:41
78.   ms october
76 Yes - and it was also a Friday!!

72 I am interested to see what happens with the arb eligibles - specifically if the Yanks try to lock up Wang and Cano long term the way many other teams do or if they continue to go the usual route.

2008-01-11 11:04:19
79.   Bronxer
76 No, 134 disappeared (134'd) around 5:00pm or so ...
2008-01-11 11:06:19
80.   Deadhorse
74 Oh, the humanities!
2008-01-11 11:54:43
81.   Shaun P
79 You're closer than I was; it was around 3:50 Eastern time:

2007-10-26 12:49:40
133. Yankee Fan In Boston
126 127 don't go inside alone, joe! don't be a hero!

2007-10-26 12:50:31
135. Yankee Fan In Boston
131 132 that would've blown my mind.

78 And yes, it was also a Friday.

But now the review is back.

2008-01-12 06:37:06
82.   Bronxer
81 Nice job on the research of 134 ...

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