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Our man Goose got the nod.
Rice will likely get in next year, which is a shame. Hopefully, those voting no on Rice can do a better job hammering their case home because you know the likes of Gammons are arm twisting for him.
The fact that only 25% voted for Raines is scary. I think the HoF seriously needs to consider revamping its selection process.
I'll never forget watching him in the bullpen as a kid, being thunderstruck by the booming echo of his warmup fastball. Gave me chills.
Always feared, finally honored.
That makes 2 that I actually gave a crap about: Goose and Scooter!
This encourages me:
"WCherniak (Woodbine, Md.): Has anyone ever come as close as Rice without eventually getting in?
Jay Jaffe: Yes, if you mean getting in on the BBWAA ballot as opposed to the VC one. Nellie Fox got 74.7 percent in his final year, Jim Bunning 74.2, Orlando Cepeda 73.5 and Red Ruffing 72.6. All were eventually selected, Ruffing via a runoff (which happened when the writers came up empty the first time around) and the rest via the VC."
I think the Boggs/Raines comparison that swayed Gammons needs to get a hard push next year. Raines had more runs + RBI in fewer career PAs than Boggs. What is offensive baseball about besides generating runs? By that measure, Raines had more offensive success than first ballot Boggs.
Very happy for him today.
Hey .... it beats watching the Repub and Dem candidates debates ... easily
The one cringe-worthy memory I have of Goose was when he beaned Ron Cey .... the "thud" off the helmet was scary ...
Other than that he was a joy to watch ...
If only Cliff Johnson didn't get into a locker room brawl with him in '79 ...
"The night before the playoff game, Gossage was convinced that it would come down to a confrontation with Yastrzemski, Boston's veteran star. It did. Gossage had entered in the seventh inning with a 5-2 lead, but in the bottom of the ninth it ws 5-4 with two on and two out when Yastrzemski came to bat"
He came into the game in the 7th inning ! Unheard of nowadays !
Yes, those long saves are rare. Even a six-out save is asking a lot these days.
i cant do the inductions anymore, the crowds are too crazy.
Man, this guy is dirty top to bottom.
Honestly... he's great, but I have ZERO interest in Santana anymore. Watching and hoping for Phil, Joba and IPK is the most exciting thing about being a Yankee fan I can remember in a long time.
On the positive note, I like Goose's reasoning for growing his moustache:
"I did it to tick off Steinbrenner."
First, I think it's presumptuous to think that we can accurately judge a player's career path, body type or any other factor. I don't pretend to be an expert on PEDs, what effects they might have, how different varieties work, what moderate or occasional use (as opposed to Canseco use) might do, and so on. I don't know if a player used once, or twice, or for one season, or during the offseason - or what difference that might make. Do you really have enough knowledge of the subject to judge all that with such assurance? (And how many times did we hear Michael Kay wax rhapsodic about Bernie's physique?)
The failure to mention anyone in the report says absolutely nothing. That's one of my major objections to naming names: the implicit exoneration of everyone else. I don't see any reason to believe that Radomski and McNamee were the only sources available to Yankee players.
If you want to give Bernie every benefit of the doubt, fine. But that's a long, long way from exonerating him entirely, and giving him extra credit for it.
Futhermore, if you are going to believe Bernie is a non-user based on body size, then his not being included in the Mitchell report is further support. Because of McNamee's role as a Yankee trainer, any Yankee during his tenure not mentioned in the report likely gets a "cleaner bill of health" than a non-Yankee who escaped mention. The logic behind that presumption is the other team's McNamee hasn't been found yet.
The accusations in the Mitchell report are flawed at best, but we should then turn around and apply those standards to exonerating others. We particularly shouldn't believe information provided by McNamee, but the fact that he didn't give discredited information on Bernie should count in his favor.
On the one hand, I don't consider anyone exonerated simply because they weren't named. I think everyone from that era should be suspect, which is why no one should have been named.
On the other hand, I don't use that in my own personal HOF considerations. At that time, MLB considered steroids simply as illegal drugs, and there shouldn't be disproportionate retroactive penalties. If I had a vote, I'd vote for McGwire for the HOF.
Shaughnessy: "Rice hit for power in a day when power numbers were legit. He was the dominant slugger of his time, a man capable of inducing an intentional walk when the bases were loaded."
Fact:Jim Rice ranks 49th in Intentional Walks from 1974 to 1989. Among the names who received more IBB than Rice over that span include Chili Davis, Ben Oglivie, George Foster, Ron Cey and Leon Durham. Mike Schmidt, the man who was really the most feared slugger of Rice's era, drew over 100 more IBB than Rice.
Shaughnessy: "He amassed more than 400 total bases when he was MVP in 1978. He hit 35 homers with 200 hits in three straight seasons. He was more feared that Tony Perez, who is in the Hall of Fame."
Fact: No one can deny that Jim Rice had a monster stretch from 1977-1979, but he really only had three other season that can be classified as very good. As for the reference to Tony Perez, well, a whole list of hitters were more feared than he was, and many are not in the Hall of Fame.
Based on Shaughnessy's logic, every mass murder and villain throughout history should be in the Hall of Fame due to the "fear factor". Heck...Kyle Fransworth should be elected too. I know it scares the hell out of me everytime he enters a game.
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