Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
I Got Five on It
2007-11-14 09:32
by Alex Belth
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to

While we chew on the latest Alex Rodriguez rumor, I just wanted to take a second to mention that Bronx Banter turned five years-old this month. I'm very proud of that as we head into year six. And for three years now, I've had a great co-writer in Cliff (not to mention all the great contributors over the years--from Will, Emma and Bruce, to Ed Cossette, Allen Barra, Chris DeRosa and Brian Gunn, just to name a few). Most of all, thanks to you guys for continuing to drop by.

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2007-11-14 09:46:58
1.   NetShrine
Happy Anny BB!

Was this the first post:

But, that was 5 years ago?

2007-11-14 09:47:40
2.   Mattpat11
2007-11-14 10:06:11
3.   Xeifrank
Would AROD take a below market contract, if he could get a market or above market contract elsewhere?

If I am AROD, I agree to the demands of "no Boras at the table", only if the Yankees agree to have George Castanza as their representative in negotiations.

vr, Xei

2007-11-14 10:13:36
4.   rbj
Happy Boidday!

And we keep coming back for the solid writing at this site. And all the bantering.

PS, I'd take that certain player back, for the right price. Right handed power? check. Solid (if not spectacular) glove at third? check. All-time HR champ in pinstripes (where it belongs)? double check.

2007-11-14 10:15:24
5.   dianagramr
Happy 6th birthday Banter!

Can Stephon Marbury play third base?

2007-11-14 10:23:40
6.   Shaun P
Congrats, Alex! How does it feel, having done this for six years now?

And happy birthday to the Banter. Who's supplying the cake, and where do I get my piece? =)

2007-11-14 10:24:06
7.   Jon Weisman
Happy anniversary, my man!
2007-11-14 10:25:35
8.   Alex Belth
Yikes, my math is so bad. This is the start of our sixth year, so I assumed we were six. It's really five. Dag.
2007-11-14 10:27:29
9.   unmoderated
8 rats - i already bought the 'so you're 6...' birthday card.
2007-11-14 10:29:22
10.   Yankee Fan In Boston
happy birfday, bb.

8 so this is the dimaggio year.

2007-11-14 10:31:40
11.   Sliced Bread
Six years. That's it?!

Hell, if this blog was "Boras Banter" it would be celebrating it's 666-th birthday, and Alex, Cliff, & Co. would be the highest paid baseball writers in the business ... waiting to opt out of their contracts on Opening Day.

Seriously, six years is no small feat. Congratulations, and please keep up the great work!

2007-11-14 10:34:29
12.   RIYank
Make a wish!

Oh, and, I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with the player in question. How do Feinsand and Madden dig up these obscure names??

2007-11-14 10:36:49
13.   unmoderated
2007-11-14 10:46:52
14.   ChrisS
Happy birthday guys.

I think baseball toaster is like the third home for it, no?

2007-11-14 10:47:53
15.   Peter
Happy birthday, Alex and Cliff. I stumbled upon this blog around the time of the first Randy Johnson trade and have been checking in every day since then. The top quality writing and intelligent discussions easily make this my favorite Yankees site.
2007-11-14 10:48:03
16.   Jeb
Happy Birthday Alex.

Just one comment on Arod. I am over him. I don't want him. It's pitching, not hitting that won those titles. Let's not fall for that siren song again. I really don't want him back.

2007-11-14 10:48:07
17.   Alex Belth
Yeah, I started it on and then moved to and then finally to Baseball Toaster.
2007-11-14 10:56:11
18.   Schteeve
16 I'm not over irreplaceable offensive production. To even try to replace it (read: Cabrera) would mean getting rid of some of the exciting young arms we have.

If he wants to come back on the Yankees terms, gotta make that happen.

2007-11-14 10:58:41
19.   Bronxer
Way to go, guys!

As for these rumors, they are (1) unnamed sources from a story by (2) Bill Madden in the (3) Daily News. This might qualify as being story that's 0-for-3.

I'll await some confirmation before I discuss it.

2007-11-14 11:03:51
20.   Shaun P
8 13 So will next year's birthday post be "Five Alive"? Or will you save the Alive bit for year 11?
2007-11-14 11:14:47
21.   Sliced Bread
16 Jeb, that kind of thinking is so 14 hours ago, at least as far as I'm concerned.

I swear I fell asleep last night with those same thoughts in my head, and awoke this morning with a new attitude about the third baseman.

Some would say I've been manipulated (nay, brainwashed!) by the stories in today's papers, published in the same place where I'm certain I read A-Rod's obituary just weeks ago.

I have a different theory.

The ghost of ARod must have come to me in a dream.
Before He revealed Himself in my dreamworld, there I was -- playing third base for the 2008 New York Yankees. I knew I was not qualified to be on the field, but I also understood I got the job because the team didn't have to trade Melky Cabrera, nor Ian Kennedy for me, nor did my new bosses have to commit 4 years at top dollar to watch me play baseball like the 41 year old man that I am.
There was a pop up. Way, way up.
The ball disappeared into the bright lights of the Stadium. I couldn't see it.
I had to look away from the harsh light, and lowered my gaze to the field.
I saw ARod jogging toward me wearing a brand new Tampa Bay Rays (no Devil!) jersey.
He smiled, and suddenly shouted "Boo!"
I was scared, and the ball landed in the dirt behind me.
Yankee fans started booing me as ARod rounded third, and headed home.
I watched the ball spinning in the dirt. There would be no throw to the plate.

Perhaps I had too much salsa before I went to bed, but I'm taking this dream as a sign that the Yankees should at least talk to the deadman.

2007-11-14 11:20:05
22.   alterity
16 Hardly a comprehensive study of the issue, but those 98 Yanks did lead MLB in runs scored. So there must be something to having a good offense. You're staff ERA could be 1.00, but if you score 0 runs per game you'll lose every time. That's a hyberbolic scenario to be sure, but it does suggest that it takes some offense and some pitching to win. That's not to say that ARod should be brought back, but I think we need to stop obsessing about being "over" him or whatever. Who cares? If the reason the Yanks don't talk to him is because Cashman doesn't want to lose credibility in future negotiations, well, I hear that. But we should be here saying "Don't talk to him because he's mean and not a true Yankee and Jeter wouldn't have done that!" (I know no one is making those arguments exactly, but this I-feel-jilted-and therefore-we should-not-negotiate-with-ARod meme has got to stop before it really gets going; fercrissakes Mo is showing how un-Yankee-like a true Yankee can be but we'll all take him back when he's ready no doubt).

Anyway, happy b'day BB.

2007-11-14 11:30:57
23.   Repoz
Congrats, Alex...long time my friend.
2007-11-14 11:36:22
24.   Benjamin Kabak
Congrats, Alex. Five is quite an accomplishment. I remember those good ol' days of All-Baseball and, before that, blogspot.
2007-11-14 11:46:01
25.   NetShrine
Re: 8

And, you want to be my latex salesman. I don't think so!


2007-11-14 11:49:46
26.   JVarghese81
Congrats on the anniversary. I've loved the site since the all-baseball days (and Cliff from the BRB days). Keep up the great work.
2007-11-14 12:07:03
27.   DadinIowa
Congratulations Alex, Cliff and all contributors. Also congrats to having the best group of folks commenting, mostly with intelligence. I am so amazed at the facts and links you all are able to find. As a Yankee fan since 1961, you all deserve #27 next year!!!
2007-11-14 12:14:09
28.   Andre
I think the hardest positions to fill with quality are Catcher and Pitcher. For that reason, I'd avoid our former 3rd baseman with his long contract. Sign Bonds to a 1-2 yr DH contract and go after Rolen. By doing so you retain flexibility in the foreseeable future and you basically match your production from last season.

That way, you can save the blue chippers (IPK, Melky) for the positions which are harder to fill. You need to have ML trade options - not everyone wants 3 MiL'ers in trade. Sometimes they want MLers too, but most of our MLers are immovable due to years or price. We need more flexibility, not less.

2007-11-14 12:14:28
29.   rbs10025
8 Please, Alex, get your terminology right. It's the start of your sixth season.
2007-11-14 12:19:51
30.   RIYank
Andre 28 , to get Rolen (who misses an awful lot of games due to injury) you'd have to trade somebody. So if the idea is to save trading chips to get pitchers and catchers, surely signing A-Rod fits that bill better.
2007-11-14 12:20:07
31.   cult of basebaal
an interesting tidbit found within a foxsports article regarding the a-rod rumors:

"Another indication that the Yankees haven't ruled out Rodriguez: They are talking to free agent Mike Lowell not just about replacing Rodriguez at third base, but also about playing first, major-league sources tell Rosenthal.

Lowell, 33, has been unable to reach an agreement with the Red Sox, who offered him a three-year deal believed to be in the range of $38 million to $40 million. After Lowell became a free agent, a source said the Yankees were "all over" Lowell. The Red Sox would lose two options at third if the Yankees signed Lowell to play first and kept Rodriguez, perhaps leading them to increase their pursuit of the Marlins' Miguel Cabrera in a trade."

while it would be nice to throw a wrench into the red sox plans ... i'm pretty sure i don't want 4 years of mike lowell at 1stbase, especially at the price tag he's going to come with

2007-11-14 12:20:32
32.   Chyll Will
Happy B-Day Banter, and Congrats to everyone who've made Banter the top[ hot spot it most certainly is! Cake and ice cream! Whoo-hoo!!

8 If that's the way you feel about it, does that now make it the Furious Five? >;)

2007-11-14 12:24:54
33.   Bronxer
31 I agree that I don't want Mike Lowell at four years at any position.

I heard a similar rumor (with no legs) that the Sox would sign Lowell at 3B and go for ARod at SS and try to dump Lugo on somebody (eating part of his salary). This would throw a wrench in the Yankees plans.

I don't think either rumor holds much water.

2007-11-14 12:26:42
34.   RIYank
There's some question as to whether the Yankees can (or could -- it's just a rumor) tell A-Rod that they'll negotiate with him but not with his agent. That might violate the CBA. Ken Rosenthal quotes Michael Weiner (from the Players' Union) saying that it would indeed violate the Agreement.
2007-11-14 12:31:49
35.   51cq24
34 the articles i've read have said that arod is the one proposing a meeting without boras, not the yankees. is meeting without an agent against the cba, or is conditioning a meeting with a free agent on his agent's absence a violation? and is it the players' union's interpretation or is it true?
2007-11-14 12:40:24
36.   rbj
Doesn't Scott Boras have associates working for him? "No Boras" doesn't mean "No anyone from Boras' agency"
2007-11-14 12:42:31
37.   RIYank
35 Good question. Bob Timmerman posted some of the CBA language in the comments at Dodger Thoughts. What's clear is that the Yankees may not negotiate with another agent. The language Bob posted, read strictly, does not say they cannot negotiate with him.
And I agree that the union rep doesn't have the last word on this, although it's relevant that he says so even if he's wrong. (Cashman, I'm sure, would rather not have to battle the union to make a new contract stick.)
2007-11-14 12:43:20
38.   RIYank
36 True, but if that's what they meant, I don't get it. No, we won't negotiate with that snake, but we're happy to talk to his lackeys?
2007-11-14 12:44:33
39.   RIYank
35 FOX says it was the Yankees who drew the line:

The Yankees, who lost $21 million worth of contract subsidy from the Rangers when Rodriguez opted out of the last three years of his contract, do not want A-Rod's agent involved in the process at all.

"We will not negotiate with Scott Boras," a Yankees source told the Daily News. "He cannot be in the room."

2007-11-14 12:57:32
40.   Mattpat11
31 I'd absolutely take Alex back. We took Clemens back after he lied to us for a year. But much like Clemens, we'll see the guy for who he is this time around.

If he comes back (or hell, no matter where he goes) I don't want to hear how we're all SO MEAN and he's so SENSITIVE and we're hurting his feelings. He's a bullshit artist of the highest degree.

2007-11-14 12:59:56
41.   NJYankee41
Check out the comment on Arod's website.

2007-11-14 13:02:08
42.   Mattpat11
41 Well, no one will be able to sign him now.

I can only assume he was struck by lightning following that.

2007-11-14 13:04:39
43.   Bronxer
41 "we need to engage in negotiations with the Yankees" - in order to drive up my market value.
2007-11-14 13:05:55
44.   Simone
Congrats on the Banter's continued success, Alex.

41 Leverage, leverage, leverage.

2007-11-14 13:06:02
45.   Knuckles
Scott Bor- I mean Alex Rodriguez
2007-11-14 13:08:05
46.   NJYankee41
43 Nah, I don't think he would take it this far just to drive up his price.
2007-11-14 13:08:26
47.   Shaun P
41 Hmmph. The Daily News was right?

I can't shake the feeling that Simone has been right all along, this is all about leverage . . . but if this doesn't result in a deal with the Yanks, wouldn't it be even more clear that the Yanks aren't involved?

Or is this a ploy to get the Angels to drop a big offer, and fast?

2007-11-14 13:08:27
48.   Simone
I bet that Alex is now returning all the calls from Steinbrenners, Cano, Damon, etc. Ha.
2007-11-14 13:12:25
49.   Mattpat11
46 Why not?
2007-11-14 13:14:05
50.   yankeemonkey
John Sterling on M&MD says it's a done deal "101 on a scale of 1-100". Now granted, it's John Sterling on M&MD but....
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2007-11-14 13:14:34
51.   Bronxer
46 Yeah, Alex has ALWAYS been so sincere in the past ...
2007-11-14 13:18:36
52.   RIYank
Cool that NJYank posted that blockbuster link in comment 41 .

50 "That deal is high-priced, it is long, it is... He's signed with the Angels."

2007-11-14 13:19:06
53.   Simone
47 Ding, ding, ding! Shaun P, you win the prize. This is all about getting the Angels to stop stalling and put out their offer. Think of Alex reaching out to the Yankees as the Trojan horse, while Boras hides inside. This is the perfect way to jump start the bidding war.
2007-11-14 13:19:50
54.   Mattpat11
52 Best Post Ever
2007-11-14 13:20:27
55.   NJYankee41
49 ,51 Only because he went out of his way to make a public announcement. He's always so tight lipped about this stuff. The rumors would have been enough to gain leverage. He didn't need to make a statement for leverage.
2007-11-14 13:22:03
56.   Mattpat11
55 Yes, but making a statement puts more attention on A-Rod.
2007-11-14 13:22:49
57.   NJYankee41
52 It was on purpose of course ;)

Dead on with the Sterling haha.

2007-11-14 13:23:32
58.   ny2ca2dc
41 WOW, this is a big fucking deal, actual confirmation that ARod is talking to the Stienbrothers. Granted, it may all be leverage, etc, and I find it exceedingly difficult to avoid cynicism, but it's something:

Official statement from Alex Rodriguez

11/14/2007 3:27 PM ET

After spending time with Cynthia and my family over these last few weeks, it became clear to me that I needed to make an attempt to engage the Yankees regarding my future with the organization.

Prior to entering into serious negotiations with other clubs, I wanted the opportunity to share my thoughts directly with Yankees' ownership. We know there are other opportunities for us, but Cynthia and I have a foundation with the club that has brought us comfort, stability and happiness.

As a result, I reached out to the Yankees through mutual friends and conveyed that message. I also understand that I had to respond to certain Yankees concerns, and I was receptive and understanding of that situation.

Cynthia and I have since spoken directly with the Steinbrenner family. During these healthy discussions, both sides were able to share honest feelings and hopes with one another, and we expect to continue this dialogue with the Yankees over the next few days.

2007-11-14 13:24:40
59.   ny2ca2dc
52 Awesome
2007-11-14 13:25:39
60.   JeremyM
This story has been crazy. Just nuts. So either he really wants to return to the Yanks, or, he's using them to drive up his price. He'll get bad PR for that and be even more hated, but if money has always been his concern, well, that won't bother him. I tend to believe he's being sincere here and realizes that Boras fouled it all up. This is going to leave a mark on Boras----that's too bad:)

Given the public nature of those remarks, it seems to me that he's coming back, and this was the first step in trying to smooth things over with the fans. As upset as I've been with him, I'll take him back under these circumstances, gladly.

2007-11-14 13:27:51
61.   Bronxer
60 I find it hard to believe that ARod does anything without Boras actually doing it for him.
2007-11-14 13:27:57
62.   Shaun P
55 "He didn't need to make a statement for leverage."

But it would be a great tactic. What has been the story for the last 2 weeks? "The market for A-Rod is non-existent." "Seems like he isn't going to get what the Yanks would have given him if he'd stayed." "Boras might have finally eff'd up."

Simone is right 53 - this could jump start the bidding in a huge way. "Tony/Ned, I know Mr. Moreno/Mr. McCourt is reluctant to commit so much payroll to a single player, but as you know, A-Rod is talking with the Yankees right now, against my better advice, and if you want any chance with him, I need something I can take to Alex right now, or he is going to make up his own mind."

This is totally possible. Damn.

2007-11-14 13:28:28
63.   RIYank
So, does Cashman get flak for negotiating with A-Rod after saying that the door was closed? Or does he get slack because (a) he stuck it to Boras and (b) it looks like A-Rod came crawling back? I tend to think the latter.
2007-11-14 13:28:47
64.   yankeemonkey
52 Absolute genius.
2007-11-14 13:29:12
65.   Mattpat11
60 I'd take Jack the Ripper if I thought he'd help. Doesn't mean I'd like or respect him.
2007-11-14 13:29:27
66.   RIYank
61 Hm.
Let's ask Cynthia.
2007-11-14 13:29:36
67.   Bronxer
62 Nice.
2007-11-14 13:30:01
68.   RIYank
65 Yeah, same here.
I realized this about myself when I started thinking it would be a good idea to sign Bonds.
2007-11-14 13:30:57
69.   ny2ca2dc
Olney (who i now credit more after he scooped the DiceK story last winter) is reporting the talks:

I'm just blown away the News (or was it Post) article wasn't horse shit. If this doesn't work out, I'm gonna be even more pissed! I think even the even tempered among us will go from 'meh, what can ya do' to the 'he's dead to me' side.

2007-11-14 13:32:06
70.   Yankee Fan In Boston
what is the opposite of 134?

i am having mixed feelings. i really don't want to root for this guy.

2007-11-14 13:33:08
71.   Bronxer
69 Now, I'm a cynic here, but I don't doubt for a minute that he's spoken with the Yankees. However, is his intention to actually come crawling back, or is it to gain leverage in talks with the Angels?
2007-11-14 13:33:14
72.   Mattpat11
68 Clemens for me.
2007-11-14 13:33:51
73.   Mattpat11
70 Root for the production.
2007-11-14 13:33:58
74.   Shaun P
63 Notice that A-Rod's statement gives Cashman cover, too. "Cynthia and I have since spoken directly with the Steinbrenner family." No mention of Cashman.

And you're right - if A-Rod comes crawling back, that's hardly the Yankees negotiating with him.

65 68 Let's say A-Rod comes back. Wouldn't signing Bonds still be a great idea? Giambi at 1B, Bonds at DH, A-Rod at 3B.

2007-11-14 13:35:16
75.   tommyl
63 What negotiating? So far this is just A-Rod calling and practically begging to come back. I'd say telling him to get rid of Boras and he has to make substantial sacrifices wouldn't really harm the Yankees credibility. If anything it increases it: You screw with us, then you come crawling back. Fine, but you are going to grovel, a lot.
2007-11-14 13:35:54
76.   tommyl
Um, is anyone else disturbed by the fact that right now it may be possible that next year A-Rod is a Yankee and Mo is not?
2007-11-14 13:36:31
77.   Shaun P
70 Root for the laundry, YFiB, and the wins.
2007-11-14 13:37:15
78.   51cq24
i'll take him back and forgive him if he gives us a discount. especially since it means we can hold on to all our prospects and still get the best available 3b.

52 that's really great.

2007-11-14 13:37:18
79.   Bronxer
Quick question: As it stands today, who is DH and who is 1B for the Yankees in 2008?
2007-11-14 13:37:41
80.   Yankee Fan In Boston
73 run-production or "production" meaning drama?

the offense needs him, no doubt... it is the circus i was looking forward to doing without.

2007-11-14 13:37:56
81.   Mattpat11
79 Matsui and Giambi
2007-11-14 13:39:01
82.   Yankee Fan In Boston
76 don't jump the gun just yet. we know for a fact that an offer was made to mo. a massive offer.
2007-11-14 13:39:35
83.   Mattpat11

I was too. I don't like the guy. Frankly, I think he's one of the bigger jackasses in baseball.

But I felt the same way about Roger. He's a jackass. I don't like him. At all. But if he can help the team, I'll root for the production.

2007-11-14 13:40:55
84.   tommyl
82 Wasn't saying it was a done deal, just a disturbing change of events. I know A-Rod is more valuable than Mo, but right now I feel like A-Rod is that cute girl that tells me she loves me, then cheats on me, then comes crawling back saying she won't do it again. It'll be tougher to root for him now.
2007-11-14 13:40:56
85.   Simone
77 I was about to post the same thing. I root for the laundry. I may not like a player (e.g. Sheffield), but if he is on my team, I'm rooting without reservation for him to produce big time on the field.

74 "Giambi at 1B, Bonds at DH, A-Rod at 3B" is perfect.

2007-11-14 13:42:28
86.   yankster
0 Congrats to the best Yankees blog in the world!

I hope Cash just keeps tying the Sox up in knots. Just talking to Lowell is great. Hell, talking to everyone you don't want is great. The people you do want, though, you don't talk to them - you sign them.

It would be a heroic return for unmentionable if he came back with an honorable, decent contract. And I'm trusting Cash to explain what that contract looks like. It sure better not exceed 30 for the prime years trailing down to 10 in the twilight years, however they actually structure the payouts. That would look an awful lot like 230 over ten years.

Just sayin...

2007-11-14 13:44:03
87.   cult of basebaal
82 and we know that Mo wants more ... 3x50 rather than 3x45 ... which has now passed into the "now you're just being silly" phase of mo's petulance for me
2007-11-14 13:44:33
88.   Adrian
52 Minor grammatical quibble: the subject change from "it" to "he" makes the call awkward. I propose the following modification:

"It is high-priced, it is long, it is... with the Angels."

Anyway, that was a great line. Good work!

2007-11-14 13:46:02
89.   ny2ca2dc
84 But she's SOOOOO hot!
2007-11-14 13:51:05
90.   tommyl
89 She's still a slut.
2007-11-14 13:52:02
91.   Mattpat11
90 And the worst kind of slut. The slut that doesn't like being called one.
2007-11-14 13:55:13
92.   RIYank
91 (and all preceding)
This metaphor isn't working for me.

I think it might work better if the women did it, actually.

2007-11-14 13:55:28
93.   Andre
30 RIYank - True, you have to trade someone to get Rolen, but you'd have to trade a second rate prospect. You could save your blue chippers for other positions. Cabrera will cost too many blue chippers and he'll command too many years when he's up for FA. ARod commands too many years. Rolen + Bonds = short cost, short years, flexibility, equal production to Arod at less price.

I just have a hard time justifying signing ANYONE for a 10 yr contract - it's too much of a crapshoot. I don't think anyone predicted the dramatic demise of Giambi. The players who are worth those kinds of contracts are few and far between. If you could slot 2 players in on shorter contracts without losing production, doesn't that make more sense then locking up a player for 10 years in the hopes that the production will continue for all of those years?

2007-11-14 13:57:06
94.   51cq24
87 how do you know that?

88 that isn't a grammatical quibble. "it" refers to the contract and "he" refers to arod. it's not a problem.

2007-11-14 14:00:54
95.   dzzrtRatt
Congratulations. This blog is a lively place and always rewards a visit from my side of the fence. Great job.

A-Rod sure put a roman candle on your cake, eh?

2007-11-14 14:11:44
96.   Shaun P
85 Shoot, if you want an offense to bludgeon other teams to death, go for the gold. Why the heck not?

52 RIYank, that was perfect.

2007-11-14 14:13:51
97.   cult of basebaal
2007-11-14 14:15:16
98.   standuptriple
87 Was Mo not paying attention to what happened to Torre? They're actually offering him a real raise too (not to mention highest in the game for position). He should be happy they didn't put in IP clauses and press for a team option. I almost feel like they should put a time frame on the contract, then if he walks thank him for his services.
2007-11-14 14:15:33
99.   Simone
Don't stop believin, Hold on to the feelin', Streetlight people:

"He reached out to us through a third party," Steinbrenner said in a telephone interview. "He has expressed a desire to stay a Yankee. He's even willing to make certain sacrifices to do so."

2007-11-14 14:21:43
100.   standuptriple
I would absolutely love watching a certain 3B and his agent dine on a very expensive meal of crow. Will all the people who have been raking Ca$h over the coals please stand up?
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2007-11-14 14:24:56
101.   Shaun P
New thread up if you guys haven't seen it yet.
2007-11-14 14:47:05
102.   OldYanksFan
84 Isn't your response based on how cute she really is? And if she happens to be the best in bed you ever had, you gonna turn her down? For one itty-bitty mistake?

If this is true, everything I have said over this period would be correct.

1) Boras is calling the shots
2) He told ARod he could get much bigger money AND ARod could go back to the Yanks with an offer to match.
3) Boras overestimated the market (10/#350? HA!)
4) Boras managed to make ARod look like crap with the WS announcement and NO talks to the Yankees before the Opt out (we know ARod well enough to know he would never have the balls to pull that WS thing, and even ARod was smart enough to know that would trash his rep)
5) ARod sees where this is going. The Angels MIGHT (might) match the Yankees offer (8/$240m)
6)ARod realizes it's time to close Boras down and make things right.

Cashman/the Steinettes are NOT gonna let ARod use them. That would be 100 times worse then 'going back on their word'. Unless ARod taped his conversation, or there is something in writing, he can't prove anything was said. If he pulls crap, the Yanks will say they offed him the same deal, minus $21m, and he had to shine Jeters cletes for a year.

74 I though of that too!! And what would happen? That sound you hear would be a collective millions of RSN fans shitting their pants at the same time. A 3-4-5 of ARod-Bonds-Giambi? HA! It would be the only thing Fox/ESPN ever talked about. Every game would be a Yankee game. HA!

2007-11-14 14:55:02
103.   rabid stan
Congrats Alex, Cliff & friends on five good years.
2007-11-14 16:47:38
104.   JL25and3
Congratulations, and especially thanks, Alex.
2007-11-14 16:48:43
105.   JL25and3
So let me get this straight. Alex Rodriguez declares free agency to check out his options, then decides he likes the Yankee offer/situation/whatever best.

But...that's unpossible! We know what he's thinking!

2007-11-14 17:12:29
106.   Jeb
41 I dig Sliced. But here's the thing. I'm 41, and I would've made that catch my friend. Also, I don't want Cabrera. My preference is that the Yankees put their thumbs up their collective butts and whistle dixie for a couple of years until they are both LOADED and CHEAP.
2007-11-14 17:40:18
107.   Sliced Bread
106 Yeah, I make that catch too -- just not in my salsa induced ARod nightmares.

Nothing wrong with LOADED and CHEAP either. They dance on Tuesdays after MYSTIQUE & AURA.

2007-11-14 19:19:09
108.   jkay
Happy Birthday Bronx Banter!

Congrats Alex and Cliff.

2007-11-15 00:00:39
109.   e double trouble
with love and baseballs
E double
2007-11-15 06:13:38
110.   Patrick
Congrats Alex and Cliff. :)

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