Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Bug a Boo
2007-10-06 07:17
by Alex Belth
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Where to begin? How about that the Yankees are down 0-2 and one loss away from an early playoff exist for the third straight year? How about that their season rests in the hands of the legend Rocket Clemens, who has pitched exactly twice (10 innings) in the last month, and who could conceivably be pitching the final game of his career? Or how about that Game 2 of the ALDS was a magnificently tense game that featured two memorable starting performances from Andy Pettitte and Fausto Carmona, not to mention heroic relief outings from Rafael Perez and Mariano Rivera?

Or how about the game going down to the bottom of the 11th, bases loaded, two men out, full count, when Pronk Hafner singled home the winning run against Jose Vizcaino to give the Tribe a 2-1 win? I'm sure I'm not the only one who felt dubious about the Yankees' chances of winning when Vizcaino walked Kenny Lofton—who killed the Yankees again—to start the 11th. When the count went full to Hafner, how many of you thought he was going to walk the winning run home? Raise your hands.

The game was highlighted by a swarm of tiny, black, flying ants. The ants infested the infield (and were most intense at the pitcher's mound) and became a distraction by the seventh inning. The players and umpires doused themselves with bug repellent and an inning later, there was a frenzy. They shot into the players' eyes and mouth. They crawled on their skin, sucking in their sweat on an unseasonably humid night at the Jake.

Who will ever forget the close-up shots of Joba Chamerlain looking like something out of David Lynch's "Eraserhead," his neck, face and entire head covered with a dozens little flying ants, as he unraveled and allowed the game-tying run to score?

The Yankee hitters were limited to three lousy hits. Johnny Damon, Derek Jeter, Bobby Abreu, Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui, Jorge Posada and Robinson Cano were a combined 2-27. Posada hit the ball hard twice—Grady Sizemore made a smooth diving catch to rob him of extra bases. Rodriguez struck out three times against Carmona--sinkers in, in, in. He was both overmatched and jumpy and he'll receive the most attention for the team's offensive failures, but the truth of the matter is, all of the hitters were stymied. Carmona, and then Rafael Perez once again, were just that tough.

Carmona and Pettitte were a contrast in styles but they were both terrific. Carmona was efficient and his stuff was simply overwhelming. Pettitte, on the other hand, repeatedly pitched his way out of trouble, but was equally in control. Using four pitches—curve ball, slider, cutter and a four-seam fastball—Pettitte held the Indians down, in one of the best playoff performances of a career that already boasts more than a few gems. It was a sheer pleasure to watch.

Too bad it didn't lead to a victory.

No, instead it was a long, harrowing night for Yankee fans. And anyone who stayed up late enough was treated to Manny Ramirez's game-ending, three-run home run against the Angels. All around, an awful night to be a Yankee fan, and a great night to root for the Red Sox. I was surprised to learn that it was the first time Manny has hit a "walk-off" home run since he's been in Boston. I have to admit, I smiled when he hit it. The standing at the plate for ten minutes was garbage, but not unusual. Maybe I was just thinking, "Tonight can't get any worse." But I was also pleased on a gut-level that K Rod blew the game. One hot dog deserves another, right?

Now, the Yankees are up against the wall, with nowhere to go but home. They'll turn to Clemens on Sunday, and if he falters early, Mussina, Hughes and everything but the kitchen sink. Alex Rodriguez and the mighty Yankee offense need to wake-up, but fast. With all due respect to Jake Westbrook, he's a far cry from the likes of Sabathia and Carmona. I should think the bats will break-out in a rather royal way come Sunday. If they don't, it'll be three-and-out again, with a host of off-season questions that'll need to be answered.

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2007-10-06 07:43:39
1.   Raf
Well, they have all day to think about it. So, I guess we'll finally see Giambi in the starting lineup tomorrow?

Last night's game was a weird and frustrating one. The swarm was just par for the course.

2007-10-06 07:53:12
2.   rufuswashere
I had the mute button on for virtually the whole game. There is something so incredibly annoying about post-season announcers, and even more so when the Yanks lose. I did the WCBC radio feed for a while, but it was as usual not in sync with the game.

Blah ...

2007-10-06 08:13:51
3.   RIYank
I wasn't exactly upset about the Manny walk-off, myself. But I'm irrationally fond of Ramirez, so that's probably why. (Anybody else see the mlb headline, "Manny Being Papi"? Brilliant!)

I'm sure I'll remember the Bug Game for ages. And probably, hopefully, the memory will be sweeter than the real-time experience, which was pretty nauseous.

How strange was it, too, to have all those 'guests'? I felt like I was bringing new friends over to my parents' house and hoping my folks would behave themselves. (I thought we acquitted ourselves admirably.)

2007-10-06 08:22:44
4.   Dimelo
This fucking sucks. I have yet to watch one inning of playoff baseball due to a death in the family, I had to come to the Dominican Republic and bury my uncle and all I am reminded by the countless Red Sox fans in my family (here) how great those f'ers are.

I hate this feeling right uncle was a huge Yankee fan and I hope he can help me out here, hopefully he can talk with the Babe, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Scooter, and Mantle and get them all together to lift every 2nd long fly ball hit by the Yankee batters and make sure it clears the wall for a homerun.

I'm counting on you, Tio.

Let's go Yanks!!!!

2007-10-06 08:31:47
5.   OldYanksFan
While the Indians pitching has been great so far, there is no doubt the Yankees are under performing. ARod admitted he swung at Balls, Posada did the same against C.C., all kinds of guys were pounding low, unhittable pitches into the ground, that would have been balls if we let them go.

We would have had more men on base if we simply didn't swing.

I know it's hard, but this is what professional hitters need to do to beat guys like CC and Carmona. If they are always behind in the count, you might eventually see some hittable pitches.

I have no doubt that without the bug infestation, we win 1-0. Bizarre, incredible bad luck.

I am still hopeful, we have 2 at home against pitchers we can beat. I don't think our guys are going to go down without a fight.

2007-10-06 08:42:20
6.   rbj
"When the count went full to Hafner, how many of you thought he was going to walk the winning run home? Raise your hands."

Hand raised. I'm actually glad it was a hit, not a walk that did in the Yankees.

Remember how all the bats went cold after the Yankees were up 3-0 in 2004? Maybe we get the reverse now, and the cold bats heat up.

2007-10-06 08:51:37
7.   Max
The thing that still kills me is how we lost our composure around the bugs, and not just Joba. You could tell the Indians were watching us get flustered and saying to themselves "we're not going to show them we're flustered and fall apart like that". I mean, I hate bugs personally and would have done the same thing (actually, I probably would have run inside away from them), but it was just so un-Jeter-like to see him so distracted.

Apparently, we got the worst of it, as all reports indicated the eighth inning was the worst of the horde. I was actually thinking Joe maybe should have just brought Mo in when Sizemore was on 3rd. But even on the wild pitch that scored the run, if it had been someone just a tad slower on 3rd, we would have had him. Just so frustrating.

Anyway, it can't get any worse, right? I actually think Westbrook is going to start strong against us (because we'll be tight), but here's hoping for a big breakout of the bats by the 4th or 5th inning. If we can't get more than 2 runs by the sixth, we're screwed, because Perez and Betancourt will shut us down again probably.

2007-10-06 09:10:28
8.   JL25and3
I don't think Rodriguez deserves nearly as much heat as he's going to get.

First off, of course, everybody - with the possible exception of Abreu - looks absolutely awful at the plate. Sure, Iwish he were doing better, but singling him out is so out of line it's almost bizarre.

Second, I didn't think he looked lost at the plate. The at-bats weren't necessarily as bad as the results. He struck out on three pitches in the 7th, but all three pitches brushed the bottom of the strike zone with hellacious movement - unhittable strikes, all three. In the ninth he worked the at-bat well, fouling off a bunch of pitches. Again, it worked out badly, and he should have laid off that pitch, but it's not like he was flailing weakly at bad pitches, as he has in the past. (weepingforbrunnhilde, as our at-bat maven, what did you think?)

2007-10-06 09:16:10
9.   ms october
My frustration and quite frankly my sadness after the first two games has led me to actually post instead of just continuing to lurk for some time. It has been mentioned before but I will mention it again, bronx banter is the best site for not only the write-up/analyses provided but for the nature of the comments, so thanks to all those involved.

Anyway, I am interested to see how the Yanks hitters fare against Westbrook as he is definitely not in the same category as Sabathia/Carmona.

However, I am also trying to better understand why the Yanks bats are so prone to slumping together and in the post-season in particular (especially the last 2 years when there has been enough of the same guys). Is there something about how the postseason is played, especially currently, that does not allow this lineup to do well? Why does someone like Kenny Lofton have such a good postseason and no one in our lineup does? Or take Kaz Matsui? Is this stuff just good luck/bad luck in a very small sample size, or is there something else - I am not getting at the whole clutch/choker aspect as much as hitting styles.

I am obviously hoping the bats wake up and hoping Roger has one more great show left in him. Yankees re-birth on Sunday. Please.

2007-10-06 09:22:41
10.   nemecizer
I just hope they don't tear up the team if we are swept. Joe going, yes, it's time, but I hope they keep Cashman, resign A-Rod, Mo and Posada, make sure Andy stays another year, and keep the kids.

I feel like we are so close to having a team that can win 2-3 World Series, it'd break my heart to tear that up because someone in Tampa is pissed off.

Oh, and the bugs were a clear case of biological warfare on the part of the Tribe. They cheated. That's what I am telling all my friends who are Tribe fans.

2007-10-06 09:51:08
11.   Chyll Will
Nice to meet you Ms. Oct., i hope you stick around a while longer of course >;) I'm disappointed by how things have been going of course, but I'm a lot more calmer than even last year.

I'm guessing the high-level venting has dulled my senses somewhat. I don't know guys, the negativity all year from the media and the present broadcast has wore me out. Don't fall into their trap, good people. I'll be there for all of you in spirit.


2007-10-06 10:00:45
12.   debris
7 Regarding the run scored by Sizemore, I don't think there's been any mention of how quickly Posada got the ball to Joba. I was quite shocked that the play was as close as it was.

And regarding Westbrook and the Yanks being tight tomorrow, I'm expecting something quite different. In fact, I think they should change the rules for tomorrow night, scrap the whole 9 inning thing, and just play until one team has 15 runs, leading by at least two at the end of the inning.

As a Sox fan, I must say I have mixed feelings about the Yanks-Tribe series. As much as I'd like to see the Yanks dispatched as quickly as possible, I'm not sure I want to see the Indians. the idea of seeing Sabathia and Carmona four times is far less than thrilling. Even with Drew and Manny hitting and them in the middle of the order with Lowell and Dr. October, the hose will have a real tough time with Cleveland.

2007-10-06 10:03:44
13.   Murray
I'm not sure that the bugs made the Yankees lose their composure. He would never admit it at this point, I suspect, because it would rise to the level of an excuse, but I think Chamberlain's problem was with the bug spray, which made it hard for him to get a good grip to throw a breaking ball--every pitch was effectively a spitter. Notice that he stopped throwing sliders after the second wild pitch and got outs with the fastball. What I find annoying was that the Yankees weren't thinking about this themselves.

Stupid bugs. As if I needed another reason to dislike Jacobs Field.

2007-10-06 10:12:24
14.   cult of basebaal
during the broadcast, the TBS crew stated that the vernacular name for the bugs was "Canadian Soldiers"

if that was actually true, I'm very disappointed that none of the tabloids took the chance to use the following headline:


i guess taking shots at arod was easier ...

2007-10-06 10:31:55
15.   3rd gen yankee fan
Just like through the downer parts of this season, I'm hanging in there. Yankees got their balls to the wall now with nowheres to go but up. What would a Yankees season be without a little drama anyway?

I thank god every day for making me a Yankee fan.

2007-10-06 10:32:55
16.   SF Yanks
So, if we win tomorrow and Monday then on Wed we have to face Sabathia again at the Jake. Not good. Wang, on the road, vs CC. Didn't we just play that game? It almost feels like, what's the point? Either go home tomorrow or drag it until Wed. Ugh. I don't know anymore. I just want the damn Yanks to win. That's all.
2007-10-06 10:49:39
17.   cult of basebaal
i just wanna make it back to The Jake ... i'm tired of watching other people dance on our field
2007-10-06 10:58:49
18.   yankz
15 Me too.

16 Hey, it could happen.

2007-10-06 10:59:40
19.   rbj
A-Rod gets killed at times when he takes his walks, so I think he was just trying to expand his strike zone and make something happen. Fausto just pitched damn well yesterday. His slider was Jobaesque, and we cheer how well Joba uses his slider.
2007-10-06 11:05:19
20.   weeping for brunnhilde
"One hot dog deserves another, right?"

You said it, Alex. If nothing else, I suppose that match-up made me realize I dislike the closer more (much more, even) than I dislike the leftfielder.

But all in all, man, a harrowing night indeed.

Down but not out.

One game at a time.

The team's capable, they just need to actually do it.

Scratch and claw, scratch and claw.

I take some solace in the fact that, for the most part, I think the team has been shut down by superb pitching more than by a lack of focus. Most--most--of their ab looked pretty respectable.

At this point, I think it's on Joe to play some little ball. He did set Abreu in motion that time, which was great. Now we just need to treat each and every baserunner like it'll be the only one of the game and focus on getting him in at all costs.

If that means suicide squeeze, so be it.

Let's at least go down fighting.

2007-10-06 11:22:41
21.   unpopster
I just want to say one thing: I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER want to hear about the Yanks (or Yankee fans, for that matter) "preferring" a certain team in the playoffs over the other.

Last year the impression was that we all preferred to face the Tigers as a round one opponent and look how that turned out.

This year it was a preference for the Tribe and the 1.5 hour flight rather than having to travel to the left coast and playing the dreaded Halos.

Well, f*ck that!!! To borrow a phrase from Alex, please raise your hands if you think playing the Angels, as they are currently constituted, would have been much harder than playing the Tribe?

I'm done. If I ever hear about how a certain team would be an easier ALDS opponent my head is going to explode. Never again will I buy that bullshit story.

But I have to say, if the Sox finish off the Halos and the Yanks lose this ALDS, then I think the Red Sox have their hands full. CC, Carmona, and the Raphael twins are going to give Boston fits.

God, I hate this feeling!!!

2007-10-06 11:39:48
22.   JL25and3
9 This team did that all year. Score 30 runs in one series, 4 in the next.
2007-10-06 11:52:23
23.   Bama Yankee
For those who might have missed it from last night's thread, here's my suggestion for Joba the next time he encounters those bugs:
2007-10-06 11:57:52
24.   weeping for brunnhilde
4 My sincerest condolences, Dimelo.

Nice to have you back.

2007-10-06 12:04:17
25.   weeping for brunnhilde
8 At-bat maven. Heh heh. :)

I think the hitters haven't been nearly so bad as their pitchers have been good. I do think Alex could have shortened his swing a tad, especially in that last ab, but still, those were some sick pitches.

My sense is that the hitters are focussed, they're just being consistently beat, with a couple of exceptions. Robby first-pitch swinging comes to mind.

2007-10-06 12:07:39
26.   weeping for brunnhilde
8 Oh, and like I mentioned yesterday, Alex' unsolicited protestation of confidence: "I was the right guy at the right time..." struck me as a bit too defensive, which suggests to me that the whole thing's in his head. That's a bad sign.

The thing is, the question didn't invoke his post-season woes at all, but was really focussed on that 9th inning ab in isolation, iirc. He's the one who contextualized it in the "Arod chokes in the postseason" storyline.


2007-10-06 12:11:42
27.   weeping for brunnhilde
9 As far as Lofton goes, I don't think there's any doubt that his slap-hitting style has served him well whereas our two slap-hitters (Damon and Melky) both hit solo shots, ironically.

Abreu's double was a thing of beauty; maybe Joe should fine his players for trying to pull the ball until they've scratched out a couple of runs.

I don't know.

I just don't know, but it's maddening to see Lofton slap the ball around the park, California 2002 style, while our guys can't find two hits to rub together.

2007-10-06 12:15:40
28.   weeping for brunnhilde
23 Heh heh! :)
2007-10-06 12:46:06
29.   ms october
22 I know - and it is madenning in the series they score 4/game. I think there are too many hitters who are too streaky in the lineup. Torre even referred to this somewhat in remarking something to the effect that you never know when Matsui will get on one of his hot streaks - the obvious downside is the cold streaks, which too many of the Yanks hitters experience.

27 Yes, Funny about Melky and Damon. That is the frustration to me even more than any pitching problems - the slap hits doing in the Yanks while too many bats go cold at once.

Though the control by Cleveland's pitchers especially in relief is impressive. I have decided to be tortured by listening to the "announcing crew" on TBS and one of them said some mostly stupid things about Cleveland's minor league system, but did mention something about the pitching philosophy being consistent throughout a pitcher's development - which I think with all the young arms the Yanks have, the potential is there to coach them in a consistent manner and develop a decent corps of middle relievers rather than have guys coming from different systems with slightly different philosophies and have them not really work out.

Anyway, there is still Yankee baseball in '07 - here's to a better performance, better luck, and a better outcome.

2007-10-06 12:52:10
30.   weeping for brunnhilde
29 Cheers!

taking a sip of Long Trail, yum!

2007-10-06 13:08:27
31.   yankz
There is just no way Roger Clemens lets his last start be a game where his team gets eliminated.
2007-10-06 13:15:21
32.   cult of basebaal
and no way this team can let this postseason go by without giving bob sheppard another chance to announce a Yankees game ...

Win One for "The Voice of God"!

2007-10-06 13:16:14
33.   JL25and3
31 Unless he grabs a bat and hits a couple out, he might not have much of a choice. After all, he's not likely to pitch better than Pettitte did last night.
2007-10-06 13:26:20
34.   yankz
Mink steals my joke!!

" Yankees first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz said playfully that the gnat-like nuisance was caused by the cologne brand of the team captain.

"The joke around the guys was that we all have Derek Jeter's Driven on," he said. "
via the 4-letter network

2007-10-06 13:33:06
35.   yankz
RIYank, great job representing over at Dodger Thoughts. Glad to see I passed the baton to a worthy ambassador.
2007-10-06 14:21:41
36.   randym77
I don't think it was the bug spray that caused Joba's problems. They were very careful to keep it off his hands.

Remember spring training? Not once, but twice, the Yankees were chased off the field by swarms of bees. A sign that it wasn't going to be our year, perhaps.

Either that, or it's Jeter's bleepin' cologne.

2007-10-06 14:38:03
37.   Bluebleeder87
I'm sure you guys can come back from a 2 run deficit.
2007-10-06 15:03:40
38.   Brian Martin
Maybe the Yankees are like all those disappointing Braves teams - they have hitters who beat up on teams' 3, 4, and 5 starters and middle relievers during the regular season, but in the postseason when most innings are against the top two starters, the set-up man or the closer, the power hitters are overmatched.
2007-10-06 15:37:57
39.   nick
should we like the fact that the guys, excepting of course you know who, seem pretty loose?

hey Dimelo, that's tough: my condolences.....when did all the Dominican Sox fans pop up? Pedro? I remember living in Jamaica Plain as a Yankee fan, all those guys with #45 spray-painted on their cars....

I think we win game 3, and game 5 if we get there; short rest in game 4 will be a crap shoot.

And I'd like to remark, for the record: Jake Westbrook is not capable of shutting this lineup down. Period. He simply lacks the stuff & command. (And we're familiar with him.) This team was built to beat the living shit out of non-premium starters. If we fail to get, let's say, 4 runs in 6 innings or the equivalent, let there be no talking about how well he pitched, whatever images appear on your television sets.

2007-10-06 17:37:56
40.   OldYanksFan
2 games - Angels: 3 RS, 11 hits
2 games - Phils: 7 RS, 13 hits
2 games - Yanks: 4 RS, 8 hits
2.67 games - Cubs: 6 RS, 16 hits

None of the 'losing' teams are hitting much.

2007-10-06 17:41:42
41.   Chyll Will
My condolences, Dimelo. I have an uncle who I will miss terribly when his time comes. I hope your uncle will grant you your wish and bring peace back to this land as well.
2007-10-06 17:44:35
42.   Yankees Chick
"Now, the Yankees are up against the wall, with nowhere to go but home."

Gotta say I disagree with that one. Yes, they're up against the wall, but there's certainly not "nowhere to go but home" - there is no reason that they can't win 2 in NY and head back to CLE for a shot at advancement.

I know that's not looking too good right now, but don't count them out just yet! They've had a flair for the dramatic all year...

2007-10-06 17:46:08
43.   Yankees Chick
Good point, OldYanksFan

Yes, pitching is uber-important in the post-season, but what good does it do if no one is hitting? Carmona pitched a GREAT game last night, no doubt about it, but this lineup is way too good to be held to 3 hits in 11 innings even when facing a great pitcher.

2007-10-06 18:35:05
44.   bartap74
There are four series going on and the teams I'm rooting for are a combined 0-9. I don't care nearly as much about any of the others as I do about the Yankees, but it's still a tad depressing. I mean, 0-9?
2007-10-06 18:37:25
45.   Shaun P
"When the count went full to Hafner, how many of you thought he was going to walk the winning run home? Raise your hands."

I will raise my brother's hand - he was sure it was going to happen. (I wish he would come here, but I haven't yet convinced him to.)

I'll raise my hand too.

9 Welcome ms october, and I'll second the call for a bat-rebirth.

4 Dimelo, I am so sorry for your loss. Safe travels back home, and hopefully with the help of your uncle, Jim Dean, and a host of other folks, Mystique and Aura will do their thing again tomorrow.

All the Yanks have to do is win tomorrow, and they're set. They got to Sabathia already - and if he comes back on short rest in Game 4, they'll definitely get to him again. And there's no way in hell gnats, ants, locusts, or anything else will keep the bats from obliterating Carmona in Game 5. They aren't getting embarrassed by that guy again. No codswallopin' way.

See you all tomorrow.

2007-10-06 18:58:22
46.   Mattpat11
This would be an early playoff exit for the 7th straight year
2007-10-06 19:02:37
47.   BklynBmr
4 Sympathies for your loss, and good to have you back. My father's up there, too. Lifelong Yankee fan. They gotta help make something happen for us, 'cause the boys on the field don't seem too focused so far.

Not much talk of "The Ghosts of '78" lately maybe since we didn't win the division, but we still came from 14.5 and 9 out to make the post season. That's no small feat.

On tomorrow's date in 1978 at The Stadium, the Yanks knocked Kansas City of it in Game 4 of the ALCS, 2-1. Nettles and Roy White hit dingers, while Guidry went 8 innings, closed out by Goose.*

When we win tomorrow, I'd like to see a close one like this. No sense waking up to score 16 runs, then score 1 again the next game. It starts with win #1 and builds from there. Get that swagger back one game at a time, fellas...

* Box score here if anyone's interested:

2007-10-06 19:07:28
48.   RIYank
Dimelo, I add my condolences.

And, Dominican, aha. Now I can finally parse 'dimelo'! I had it all wrong (even the accent).

2007-10-06 19:10:28
49.   Mattpat11
A point that needs to be made. The New York Yankees have beaten the Indians three games in a row twice this year. It can be done.
2007-10-06 19:12:50
50.   Bama Yankee
4 Dimelo, sorry to hear about your uncle. Your family is in my prayers. Have a safe trip home.
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2007-10-06 19:30:55
51.   Bama Yankee
0 "the Yankees are up against the wall"

As I heard someone once say, "We've got our backs against the driver's seat."

Maybe we have finally got 'em where we want 'em. In our house, with no bugs, with our furry friend patroling the foul pole (the squirrel will be there won't he?)... Three in a row... That's all we need. It's happened before. It can happen again. This team has come too far to go out like this... We got our backs against the driver's seat, baby. Our backs against the driver's seat...

2007-10-06 19:35:28
52.   Chyll Will
51 You have my proxy, cuzzin' >;)
2007-10-06 19:39:19
53.   BklynBmr
51 "We've got our backs against the driver's seat."

That's the codswallopin' funniest thing I heard all day...

2007-10-06 20:16:22
54.   NC Highlander
I honestly feel good about our chances to come back in this series, I really do. No lie.

Let me explain:

1. I would rather have Roger than Westbrook and we have no doubt hit Westbrook well. If he can't wake up our bats we have no chance to go any further anyway.

2. Winning game 3 will give a choice of either Mussina/Wang or someone else. If Wang is chosen, which won't be a terrible idea considering his home success, the yanks will most likely face Byrd with him. Another pitcher they've hit well. I am confident that Wang will bounce back at home.

3. It's doubtful that Wedge will rush back Sabathia for Game 4 just to close it out. So he will be saved for Game 5. Meaning we won't see him or Carmona again until game 5.

4. An 0-2 deficit while bad, is not the end. It's not as bad as 0-3. We've seen comebacks plenty. Some we were on the other end of. Some we were the victim. If the Red can do it in '04,then no doubt an 0-2 deficit is not impossible.

5. We don't have to see any more stupid gimmicks or corny slogans. No towels, no drummers, just Yankee stadium.

6. Eventually it will be their turn to be in a close game and we will see Borowski. I think we will all be happy to see that.

Of course all of this (with the exception of #5) hinges on the Yankee bats waking up which I think is likely at home, with Westbrook, cooler weather free of bugs, with the crowd behind them.

And as we all know, once they wake up, they don't go back to sleep for a while.

It all starts tomorrow!! Let's Go! Keep the Faith!

2007-10-06 20:43:29
55.   BklynBmr
54 I'm feelin' ya, NC. Good points overall, but two things jumped out for me. Number 5: I love that fact about our home and our fans. No stupid sh*t from the crowd. Just play ball and get the job done...

"Red Sox Nation", "Raider Nation", et al. F that. We don't need no stinkin' "nation". What, join a club? Elect a president? Wear makeup? Pfffh. We're Yankee fans.

And: "And as we all know, once they wake up, they don't go back to sleep for a while."

There is an 11 win run in this team when they're awake. Not in a row maybe, but within the next 17 games. But it's gotta start with at least three in a row. That's all I'm askin' ;-)

2007-10-06 20:48:07
56.   Yankees Chick
Yes - there is NO reason to give up yet.

I think the at-home factor will be a huge boon for the team.

2007-10-06 21:07:42
57.   BklynBmr
56 Yes, the change of scenery will be most welcome ;-)

And I love the quote from Rocket: "My job is to get the ball in the hands of the next starter."

That's it. One. Game. At. A. Time.

2007-10-06 21:14:47
58.   BklynBmr
Our old pal Flash Gordon on the mound right now in a sticky spot. 1-1, bottom 7. First and second, two out...
2007-10-06 21:18:39
59.   BklynBmr
58 A 'K' and a point to the sky. Good for him. My East Coast bias has me pulling for Philly, too. And too bad for Lou and the Cubbies today...
2007-10-06 21:30:29
60.   BklynBmr
Alright, I'll shaddup for a while after this:

PeteAbe runs into 'The Sweater' on a flight back from Cleveland (via LoHud):

I went over to say hello and we had a nice conversation. Carnesecca is 82 now and a huge Yankees fan. "You watch," he said. "They'll get back in this thing. Joe Torre is from Brooklyn, St. Francis Prep. I remember when he was a kid. He knows what to do."


Louie. Mullin. Berry. Those were the days for St. Johns and the Big East. The wars against G'Town, Villanova, UConn...

2007-10-06 21:54:39
61.   Mattpat11
I'm not sure whether the two sweeps is a good thing or bad thing yet.

Well, the Cubs losing is always good, but in general.

Either one team is due to make huge comback or there's a pattern

2007-10-06 21:58:16
62.   NC Highlander
62 I'm going with comeback :)

AL always puts up more of a fight.

2007-10-06 22:05:54
63.   JeremyM
I think it's time to fight fire with fire. The Indians want to release a plague of bugs on the Yanks? Fine. Then let's release the Homer Simpson special: the dogs, or the bees, or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you.
2007-10-06 22:08:55
64.   BklynBmr
61 D'Backs vs Cleveland WS? Bush/Clinton/Black Ops won't let it happen. That means either Boston or New York. So we got that going for us right now...
2007-10-06 22:19:33
65.   JeremyM
"So we got that going for us right now..."

.....Which is nice.

2007-10-06 22:42:22
66.   bartap74
Make that 0-10.
2007-10-06 22:42:40
67.   bartap74
Sorry - that was supposed to link to 44
2007-10-07 01:19:11
68.   Mike T
60 "Louie. Mullin. Berry. Those were the days for St. Johns and the Big East. The wars against G'Town, Villanova, UConn... "

I miss the old Big East. Top shelf basketball that was. I mean, the conference is good now too, but back in the day, wow.

2007-10-07 05:16:00
69.   OldYanksFan
"Colorado's pitching caused a longer blackout for the Phillies' offense. Philly hit .172 for the series."

The Phillies lead the LEAGUE in OPS by 21 pts (although Colorado was 2nd).
Colorado was 8th of 16 in both ERA and BAA, although the Phillies were 13th in ERA.

Maybe something indeed happens in the PS, and there is no way the Phillies should have been swept.

Meanwhile, the Cubs were 2nd in ERA compared to the D-Backs 4th, and 8th in OPS compared to the D-Backs 14th.

Again, a colasso choke by the Cubbies? No way the D-Backs should have swept.

Meanwhile, Chicago's big gun, Aramis Ramirez, was 0 for 12, 1 BB, 5 Ks, .077 OPS.
Our old friend Sori was 2 for 14, 1 BB, 4 Ks, .343 OPS.
Think they will steal the headlines from ARod?

However, so far the Yankees have the worst offensive production in the PS.

2007-10-07 07:09:47
70.   dlewanda
Here's my take on it - we're just reliving the entire 2007 season in a microcosm - First we get no pitching, then Andy pitches a gem but the bats go cold and the bullpen gives it Rocket returns to give a boost of confidence (like June 9th), so I expect 6 innings, 3 runs while the offense finally wakes up and scores a ton. There will be another high-scoring game that the Yanks win in Game 4, and a sweet close scoring game (4-3, 6-4 I'm thinking) to take the series in Cleveland.

At least that's what I'm holding on to.

2007-10-07 07:23:22
71.   ric
""Red Sox Nation", "Raider Nation", et al. F that. We don't need no stinkin' "nation". What, join a club? Elect a president? Wear makeup? Pfffh. We're Yankee fans. "

ugh- id post links to "yankee universe" paraphernilia, face painted yankees fans and other assorted rallying related behavior but why bother?

2007-10-07 07:44:16
72.   yankz
ric, your team is on cruise control, and you still can't even enjoy it? You're still obsessed with what some Yankee fans on a message board think?

3rd gen said it best in 15 . Thank god indeed.

2007-10-07 07:44:49
73.   JeremyM
71 Why bother is right, we don't care.

66 I'm in the same boat. I figured all 4 series to be very competitive. I'm not sure why I was pulling for the Phillies, maybe because the Rockies still look and feel like an expansion team. The Sox are almost certainly going to sweep, so it's up to the Yanks to add some drama to this thing.

And Steinbrenner is up to his old ways again, this is vintage stuff:

Steinbrenner also had some choice words about retiring veteran umpire Bruce Froemming and his decision to play through the late-game bug infestation during Friday's Game 2 extra-inning victory for the Indians.

"The umpire was full of [expletive]," Steinbrenner told the paper. "He won't umpire our games anymore."

2007-10-07 07:53:04
74.   yankz
73 Also from that ESPN article:

"As the Yankees stand on the brink of elimination in the first round of the playoffs for the third season in a row, owner George Steinbrenner says longtime manager Joe Torre needs his team to advance to the ALCS if he wants to keep managing the club.

"His job is on the line," Steinbrenner told The Bergen Record. "I think we're paying him a lot of money. He's the highest-paid manager in baseball, so I don't think we'd take him back if we don't win this series.""


2007-10-07 08:14:58
75.   Sarasota
74 If they lose, change is a foregone conclusion. They nearly parted ways at the end of last season.
I thought David Justice on YES postgame was accurate in his assessment of the Yankees biggest ineffective bullpen. Girardi tried to walk the fence (I like him less with each politically correct appearance), Justice laid it out on Vizcaino, calling him part of the soft underbelly of the team. The game was certainly over after Mo came out. That last pitch to Hafner by Vizcaino was a disgrace the other night.
2007-10-07 08:20:19
76.   thelarmis
74 i just read that. jeesh. really sucks. total bullshit, bad timing and harsh. boss said something like, "he's done some good things for us." um, that's an understatement...

i just really, really, really hope we win. i think we can. i think we can advance. but if we don't, shit...i'm not ready for a complete overhaul. and as easy as it is to point out joe's shortcomings, i don't think the team will be better w/ a mattingly, girardi or (gulp) la russa. i'm surprised there hasn't been more speculation on TLR. but i'm glad there hasn't been...

i'll be in a recording session, so i'll miss the game. i'm taping it just in case...


2007-10-07 08:28:54
77.   yankz
New thread.

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