Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
2007-09-12 14:21
by Cliff Corcoran
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As I detailed in my catchup post yesterday afternoon, the Yankees are giving Mike Mussina a chance to prove that he's still got something left to offer tonight primarily because having Moose start tonight pushes Andy Pettitte back for the Red Sox series and sets up Phil Hughes as a possible alternate to Roger Clemens on Sunday. It also gives them a low-risk look at Moose before they have to make any hard decisions about Clemens' elbow or taking rookies in to the postseason. With all of that in mind, this should be an interesting game. Mussina, if you need reminding, has been dreadful over his last four appearances, putting up this line:

13 1/3 IP, 32 H, 22 R (21 ER), 1 HR, 5 BB, 4 K, 2.79 WHIP, 14.18 ERA, 0-3

Moose's 3 2/3 innings in relief of Roger Clemens a week ago Monday was his second longest outing in that stretch and far and away his best, despite the seven hits and two runs he allowed. The low walk and homer rates in the line above are somewhat encouraging, but that dreadful WHIP comprised almost entirely of hits is all you need to see to know how much trouble he's had getting hitters out. That, more than anything else, has been his problem, though it is worth noting that 12 of those 32 hits have been doubles, so it's not as though they're all dinks that can be blamed on bad luck and the defense.

Moose, of course, is still thinking about his four starts previous to those in which he did this:

25 1/3 IP, 29 H, 8 R, 2 HR, 2 BB, 19 K, 1.22 WHIP, 2.84 ERA, 4-0

Opposing Mussina is Dustin McGowan. McGowan is 2-0 against the Yanks this season having held them to two runs on nine hits and four walks in 14 innings across two starts. Inclusive of that last start against the Yanks in mid-July, McGowan has a 2.62 ERA with a 1.03 WHIP and a 7.47 K/9 over his last ten starts.

Combine Mussina and McGowan and tonight's game is one of those that you have to chalk up as a loss going in, setting up an exciting rubber-game duel between A.J. Burnett and rookie Ian Kennedy tomorrow night.

The lineup is unchanged tonight save for Matsui and Damon switching positions. So Moose gets Matsui and Giambi in the field. Off to a great start . . .

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2007-09-12 14:51:50
1.   yankz
"Combine Mussina and McGowan and tonight's game is one of those that you have to chalk up as a loss going in"

Which is exactly why the Yankees will win.

2007-09-12 14:59:47
2.   OldYanksFan
Has JD gotten so old so fast that he went from an everyday CFer to a guy who can't play 3 games in the field in a row?

Even with good knees, Mats doesn't come close to catching that liner that JD got last night. That would have changed the whole complextion of the game.

I believe Torre know's what's going on. It seems he is tying to keep everyone playing and loose. I just would rather have JD in LF more often.

2007-09-12 15:37:48
3.   3rd gen yankee fan
0 Uhhhh, wow. Looks like Joe is really counting on the Jays offense to stay dead.
2007-09-12 16:18:55
4.   Mike T
OMG, Godzilla is back!!!!
2007-09-12 16:19:22
5.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I was just about to post that Arod is never going to see another pitch to hit this season with GhostSui hitting beyond him, and lo and behold the King of Pornography comes through.
2007-09-12 16:22:02
6.   chrismarz
hey, anyone listening to the game on the radio tonite? Is that Joel Sherman with Sterling?
2007-09-12 16:26:15
7.   SF Yanks
I have to admit, at first I HATED that Heineken commercial, I'm talkin HATED. Ya know, the one with the blond curly haired girl. But something about the music has allowed it to grow on me to the point where I stop what I'm doing just to watch it...

and speaking of HATE, this umpire is really loud and annoying with his obnoxious strike call. Poor Posada is going to be def after the game.

2007-09-12 16:29:56
8.   Robert the Robot
2007-09-12 16:32:38
9.   Mike T
5 Ghostsui. Nice one. I also was just about to post about how Torre can drop A-Rod to the 8 spot in the playoffs, but not drop Matsui in the regular season. And then he knocks in a run. I think he heard us.
2007-09-12 16:36:20
10.   SF Yanks
STRIIIIIIKEE TWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOO... Ugh, someone shoot me... or him.
2007-09-12 16:36:46
11.   Robert the Robot
Singy LIKES the ump. Says they should have "personality". As long as they don't come out naked, I guess.....
2007-09-12 16:38:32
12.   williamnyy23
6 Yes. That's how Michael Kay got his start, btw.
2007-09-12 16:42:33
13.   Start Spreading the News
Sox are down 4 to Tampa. But it is only a matter of time before the Sox score 20 on Tampa's pitching.
2007-09-12 16:46:14
14.   Gagne55
10 That made me think of the scene in the Naked Gun when Leslie Nelson was calling balls and strikes.
2007-09-12 16:46:54
15.   Robert the Robot
If the Red Sox were charged up by last night's comeback, I hope they don't think they are going to give us 9 runs and that we will squander that like the Devil Rats. Unless Farns gets a shot.....
2007-09-12 16:46:58
16.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Jays announcers talking about Moose never winning 20..big deal, didn't Jose Lima win 20 games TWICE?? means nothing..
PS-sad music note. RIP Joe Zawinul, will pull out 'Sweetnighter' tonight and groove to '125th St Congress'
2007-09-12 16:47:27
17.   rbj
Giambiner flashing the leather!
2007-09-12 16:49:39
18.   Robert the Robot
16. That IS sad, I saw Weather Report b/w John McLaughlin many years ago....
2007-09-12 16:50:48
19.   yankz
Gameday says pitch 4 hit Damon in the cup.
2007-09-12 16:59:02
20.   Jersey
TB up by 4 in the 3rd AGAIN.

And they're going to lose AGAIN.

2007-09-12 17:00:30
21.   chrismarz
w23: I always liked Kay & Sterling together. Nowadays, Sterling seems to miss too much ("it's gone...wait, it's off the top of the wall"). Susan isn't bad, but those guys were great.

Maybe it's all the rings the yanks won during that time that makes me so nostalgic about Sterling and Kay.

2007-09-12 17:00:42
22.   SF Yanks
14 HaHaa, I remember that. Good stuff.
2007-09-12 17:03:17
23.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
18 you saw Weather Report with McLaughlin sitting in? or back to back with Mahavishnu?? Either way am jealous!
Skydome sounds empty again..depressing place to play no doubt...
2007-09-12 17:04:03
24.   SF Yanks
Moose has a lot of movement on his fastball and actually looks quite good, dare I say.
2007-09-12 17:07:37
25.   SF Yanks
Why does it sound like the ump is saying "Striiiikee twwwoooo" when it's the first strike call? What is he saying?
2007-09-12 17:10:31
26.   Robert the Robot
18. Mahavishnu Orchestra opened for them. John McLaughlin did a solo version of "Nostalgia" in the middle of their set. It was like he was talking to God thru his guitar. I had tears in my eyes. Still gives me goosebumps!!!
2007-09-12 17:12:21
27.   Robert the Robot
Help me out, I guess I'm stoopid here. How do you guys respond to a specific comment and have it show up as a hyperlink?
2007-09-12 17:12:26
28.   Jeb
Has Suzyn Waldman finally been fired?
2007-09-12 17:13:40
29.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
26 You're killing me, man...Mahavishnu, then Weather's like hearing my Dad talk about seeing Mickey Mantle at the Stadium in 1961..giants walked the Earth back then!
2007-09-12 17:14:11
30.   monkeypants
28 I doubt it--they were both given contract extensions this year, no?
2007-09-12 17:16:12
31.   Robert the Robot
29. I saw Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris and Moose Skowron hit back to back to back homers against the White Sox in Chicago, 1961, when I was a pup of 10 years old! Yanks won 9-8 in 10 innings. Won't ever forget that one...
2007-09-12 17:17:04
32.   Jeb
Protrade's win probability on ESPN.Com gives the D-Rays a 79% chance of winning given the score and inning...BUT:

1. Does that take into account that it's the D-Rays and they will surely choke and

2. Why would NESPN ever post anything negative about the Sux?

2007-09-12 17:19:04
33.   rbj
Left bracket [
then number
then right bracket ]
2007-09-12 17:19:23
34.   monkeypants
27 Put the number in square brackets.
2007-09-12 17:19:54
35.   aronneil
27 Square brackets around the number.
Someone's nostalgic for Kay and Sterling?

I prefer Rizzuto/Messer/White.

2007-09-12 17:19:58
36.   Robert the Robot
33 Thanks!
2007-09-12 17:20:50
37.   Robert the Robot
35 sorry, thanks again...
2007-09-12 17:21:09
38.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
31 Timing..I think i saw Steve Balboni strike out three times at the Stadium as a kid...
2007-09-12 17:21:10
39.   OldYanksFan
3 run jack for Papi. 4-3 TB ahead.
2007-09-12 17:22:43
40.   Start Spreading the News
F'in David Ortiz just hit a 3 run homer, 4-3 D-Rays.
2007-09-12 17:24:00
41.   Jeb
and sure enough Boston scores 3 runs....UGH!
2007-09-12 17:24:49
42.   Jeb
33 this is how you do it?
2007-09-12 17:25:23
43.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
How can Tampa continually have such awful pitching?? They have great young position players, where's the damn pitching??
2007-09-12 17:26:19
44.   Robert the Robot
Dear God! I haven't seen Giuseppe Franco selling any hair grease tonight. Did I miss my last chance? Oh, the horror!
2007-09-12 17:27:51
45.   Jeb
32 per NESPN, the Sox now have a 46% chance of winning...Does anyone really think that the D-Rays have a better shot of winning that game?

And, whatever Pro-trade is, it should take the team's record and stats of hitters and pitchers into account. Obviously it's just calculating odds based on the number of times in history a team has trailed 4-0 after 2 innings at home. That's not sabermetrics, it's garbage.

2007-09-12 17:28:20
46.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
44 All the references to Giuseppe Franco/hair grease are over my head..what's the story?
bit of a dull game tonight..
2007-09-12 17:30:14
47.   chrismarz
35 Rizzuto/Messer/White ruled.

Why do I remember Fran Healy being so bad? Did he call the Mets at one point? Uggh, he was on the Monday Night Baseball poster one year.

2007-09-12 17:30:29
48.   monkeypants
Uh-oh...Mussina didn't like that call. Will meltdown ensue?
2007-09-12 17:31:53
49.   Yankees Brasil
48 It was a horrible call. He should be pissed.
2007-09-12 17:32:42
50.   ChrisS
46 just an oft repeated commercial on cable tv (so often that I've seen it a hundred times and I don't even have cable) where a "hollywood hair stylist" - shown hobnobbing with Gary Busey to prove his hollywood-ness is pitching a thinning hair treatment.
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2007-09-12 17:33:08
51.   Robert the Robot
46 You haven't seen those annoying ProCeed ads? I'm not sure it was possible to miss them. They were only on about between EVERY inning most of the summer. I had to start DVRing the games just to avoid his sorry ass. Maybe they show different commercials on different cable systems. If so you are missing the chance to look like a freaked out Gary Busey!
2007-09-12 17:34:14
52.   ChrisS
48 Maybe Moosey just needed some rest. He seems to be pitching alright tonight (sans the two walks).
2007-09-12 17:34:52
53.   monkeypants
49 I don't mind him getting pissed. But I also do not appreciate that one bad call or one bad play in the field behind him seems to cause him to completely self destruct.
2007-09-12 17:36:27
54.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
[50,51] Thanks. I'm on the other side of the world, watch the games on Japanese tv with no commercials, Yay! (big 'Boo' to Japanese announcers though..) At work, got the radio-cast through ESPN
2007-09-12 17:38:02
55.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
BTW, isn't it Yom Kippur in NYC? Maybe Waldmyn has the night off? (I'm guessing she is Jewish..)
2007-09-12 17:38:05
56.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
BTW, isn't it Yom Kippur in NYC? Maybe Waldmyn has the night off? (I'm guessing she is Jewish..)
2007-09-12 17:38:43
57.   Mike T
Tampa is already into Boston's bullpen in the top of the 4th. I hope the Sox starters pitch like this again starting Friday.
2007-09-12 17:38:59
58.   pistolpete
56 It's Rosh Hashanah, close. :)
2007-09-12 17:39:14
59.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
[55,56] Sorry, that was retarded. Double posts AND 'NYC''s Yom Kippur everywhere, not only in NYC...
2007-09-12 17:40:14
60.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
58 Thanks. Been away from NYC too long, used to holidays here like 'Respect the Elderly Day' and 'Sea Day'...
2007-09-12 17:40:21
61.   pistolpete
57 Just the mere notion that their staff may be cooling off around playoff time is enough for me.
2007-09-12 17:40:44
62.   Zack
So for those of us without tv or not choosing to watch, how is Moose actually looking, as good as the #s?
2007-09-12 17:42:49
63.   Zack
61 The Lester that showed up today for Boston is the Lester of norm: tons of pitches, tons of walks, not a lot of innings and 4-5 ER...
2007-09-12 17:45:28
64.   Robert the Robot
62 Hard to tell if Moose is that good or if the Jays are just mailing it in at this point in their season... Good breaking ball tho...
2007-09-12 17:45:32
65.   yanster
I'm not sure about this Sherman character. He constantly sounds nervous (though by the fifth he is cooling down a bit). He makes me anxious. The game already makes me anxious, I don't need the extra. Finally, he's talking too damn much and about too many other teams. I'm sure he's real smart, but he doesn't have to prove it to ME.
2007-09-12 17:46:08
66.   monkeypants
OK, bar room baseball discussion: should (or will) Thome make the HOF?

I initially would have said no, despite the HR totals (given how many more HRs are hit these days). But then I looked up his career numbers--awfully good.

2007-09-12 17:46:27
67.   pistolpete
62 Moose is throwing more strikes than usual, although he seems to lose focus a little when someone gets on base. He's throwing more and more pitches as the game progresses. I don't think he'll make it much past the middle of the 6th, IMO.
2007-09-12 17:46:43
68.   OldYanksFan
55 56 Well... not in NYC, but in Jersey.
2007-09-12 17:47:51
69.   monkeypants
65 "I'm sure he's real smart, but he doesn't have to prove it to ME."

Well, Sterling is a goddam idiot and he thinks the game is about HIM. Sherman is probably just trying to keep up.

2007-09-12 17:47:53
70.   rbj
That's a web gem!
2007-09-12 17:48:21
71.   Jersey
That DP will help the moose. Is he really hitting 92 as Gameday says??
2007-09-12 17:48:48
72.   pistolpete
67 Then again, I could be wrong. Defense has been stellar lately- bailing out Hughes multiple times last night and now Mussina a few times tonight as well.
2007-09-12 17:49:01
73.   fansince77
That play by Robby was simply cano-t fair.
2007-09-12 17:49:16
74.   SF Yanks
62 He actually looks pretty good. Lots of movement on his fastballs, a good curve, and he has excellent control, although I don't know if that was a big problem in his last starts, but he pounds the mit where ever its at.
2007-09-12 17:49:17
75.   Jersey
71 By that I mean, "sitting 90, getting it up higher now and again." He's only hit 92 a few times I've seen.
2007-09-12 17:50:08
76.   OldYanksFan
Moose's fastball is moving a lot, and he's hitting corners. Mixing up his pitches well. I think he looks pretty good.
2007-09-12 17:50:16
77.   Mike T
Moose at 74 through 5. Not bad at all.
2007-09-12 17:50:55
78.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
66 You're right, Thome's numbers are damn good...though I personally find big,fat,slow sluggers to be really boring..
More interesting to think about whether Sheffield makes it in..
2007-09-12 17:51:29
79.   monkeypants
75 74 et al. The gun on Rogers Sports Net has him tooping out at 91, but he has consistently been hitting 90 (if their gun is accurate). If he can pitch at 89-90 he can be effective.
2007-09-12 17:52:17
80.   rbj
74 Maybe Moose just needed a kick in the pants. He did call out that one guy at the start of the season -- who subsequently went down faster than Paris Hilton. Maybe he just needed a demotion to get angry and start pitching again.
2007-09-12 17:53:36
81.   SF Yanks
Is the YES gun known to be slow or something? Its always behind what gameday, espn, and other team's guns usually say.
2007-09-12 17:55:26
82.   OldYanksFan
Seattle is 2-15 over their last 17 games. That is a pretty dramatic choke.
2007-09-12 17:57:10
83.   fansince77
is it me or does it seem like Moose isn't getting that low strike that this guy has called four times against us this inning?
2007-09-12 17:57:28
84.   monkeypants
78 Sheff should be a no doubter: career 900+ OPS, 144 OPS+, and 2000 games in the field (v. < 200 at DH).
2007-09-12 17:59:23
85.   monkeypants
82 Is it really a choke when you suddenly start playing in line with your ability?

Ok, that's an exaggeration--they are not this bad. But then, they weren't THAT good when they were winning.

2007-09-12 18:00:12
86.   monkeypants
And WHY is Torre making a defensive replacement for Giambi in the 6th inning?
2007-09-12 18:01:39
87.   ChrisS
86 so that The Stink can come up in an important at bat in the 8th or 9th (you know game tied or a run or two behind so he can ground out)
2007-09-12 18:01:51
88.   rsmith51
Minky is already in?
2007-09-12 18:03:33
89.   3rd gen yankee fan
86 Maybe to get Giambi off the artificial turf?
2007-09-12 18:04:27
90.   Jersey
66 ,78 I think Thome deserves to be in. He's top 20 in OPS, Home runs, walks. Top 40 OPS+. He'll probably have over 350 Win Shares when he's done. That's Big Mac/Killebrew territory/Bagwell territory. Give him a couple more years to secure it, but I'd vote him in now.
2007-09-12 18:04:53
91.   SF Yanks
Giambi would of had that.
2007-09-12 18:05:42
92.   rsmith51
89 That makes sense.
2007-09-12 18:05:57
93.   monkeypants
89 Maybe, and with Joba the bridge to Mo is safer. But it is only a four run lead in the sixth.
2007-09-12 18:07:49
94.   monkeypants
And now this game is about one hit away from Stinky Minky coming up in an important spot.
2007-09-12 18:08:23
95.   ChrisS
Wow bringing in Edwar in a high leverage position. He must be moving up the trust ladder.

I hope he doesn't try to wing a fastball down the middle of the plate and blow it.

2007-09-12 18:08:53
96.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
[84,90] Yeah, that seems right on both. Not sure when he's eligible, but I've always felt Roberto Alomar should be a lock. One of the best players I ever saw, all-around.
Edvar the Phantom is in!
2007-09-12 18:09:49
97.   RIYank
Edwar, after he pitched a lot yesterday. I don't like it.

I was really hoping Moose could finish the inning. But it was right to pull him.

2007-09-12 18:10:05
98.   ChrisS
95 Or more likely, Joe knows he can pitch him every day.
2007-09-12 18:10:24
99.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Anyone else more than a little nervous about Edwar coming in with 2 on? I think he's a keeper, but given his problems with the long ball, and the fact that Toronto just saw him for 2 innings last night, this could be a 4-3 game in the blink of an eye.
2007-09-12 18:11:12
100.   RIYank
Damn, I knew that was a mistake. Damn.
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2007-09-12 18:11:44
101.   SF Yanks
C'mon Edwarrior! Get it done!
2007-09-12 18:11:56
102.   ChrisS
99 or a tie game
2007-09-12 18:11:59
103.   yanster
Edwar pitched two yesterday! What on earth is Joe thinking?!?! That's retarded.
2007-09-12 18:12:17
104.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Great. Now a mistake means a tie game.
2007-09-12 18:12:20
105.   RIYank
I would have gone to Joba. Oh, is that against the rule, bringing him in mid-inning?
2007-09-12 18:12:22
106.   rsmith51
C'mon Edwar!
2007-09-12 18:12:23
107.   monkeypants
99 I'm confident because I know that Minky will bat in the eighth or ninth, so if the Jays tie the game, it won't matter.
2007-09-12 18:12:32
108.   fansince77
Yanks are dodging too many bullets- this has disaster written all over it.
2007-09-12 18:12:43
109.   SF Yanks
I'd throw 3 more straight changes right here.
2007-09-12 18:13:35
110.   RIYank
I thought that was hit harder. My heart rate increased more than necessary.
2007-09-12 18:13:46
111.   rsmith51
105 I believe it is. I am surprised Edwar doesn't have similar rules to Joba.

What do we think? Joba for 2 and Mo for 1. Or Britton, Joba, then Mo.

2007-09-12 18:14:11
112.   fansince77
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand sigh.
2007-09-12 18:14:30
113.   RIYank
109 Well, sure, but your change is filthy.
2007-09-12 18:14:56
114.   3rd gen yankee fan
I just don't see the Jays getting anything done at this point. I think they're toast. I think we're safe with a 4 run lead.
2007-09-12 18:15:11
115.   claybeez
How did Overbay miss that one? Couldn't he see it had "Granny" written all over it?
2007-09-12 18:15:13
116.   RIYank
111 Oh, Joba for two, definitely.
2007-09-12 18:15:19
117.   ChrisS

That ump's strike zone has been more than a little inconsistent, Edwar pitched a lot yesterday, and has trouble with the long ball off of his fastball. Could have been real ugly.

2007-09-12 18:15:40
118.   Mattpat11
Mussina looked pretty good. The Stink needed to get that single. He would have pitched six scoreless.
2007-09-12 18:16:19
119.   RIYank
115 The problem is that the "Granny" was almost obliterated by the word 108 "disaster". There's a lot of writing today. All over it.
2007-09-12 18:16:21
120.   3rd gen yankee fan
114 And I mean, at this point in the season.
2007-09-12 18:16:24
121.   monkeypants
111 Two innings mans he would be out for game 1 v. the Sox. I would go with him for one, assuming the lead stays at three or four runs.
2007-09-12 18:17:35
122.   yankster
111 I go with farnswacker for one and then do the joba mariano cha-cha.
2007-09-12 18:17:55
123.   SF Yanks
113 That's why Edwar should have thrown the fastball.
2007-09-12 18:18:05
124.   rsmith51
122 I forgot Farns...
2007-09-12 18:18:42
125.   RIYank
121 That's true, I hadn't thought of it that way. Hm. Sure, why not have him pitch an inning Friday, then two on Sunday. Okay, I'll go with Farns in the seventh.
2007-09-12 18:18:52
126.   ChrisS
Have I ever posted that my favorite thing in the world about watching the Yankees is when there's a pitcher mowing them down, instead of taking some pitches they start fucking hacking away.
2007-09-12 18:19:10
127.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Crap. Torre's gotta split Melky and Cano up. The way they're hitting, grounding out on the first or 2nd pitch, they're a human rest stop for the opposing pitcher.
2007-09-12 18:19:39
128.   OldYanksFan
Why waste Joba with a 4 run lead and the Sox coming this weekend?
2007-09-12 18:20:52
129.   ChrisS
126 at least JD has some sense in him.
2007-09-12 18:22:24
130.   SF Yanks
128 In no way does it affect the Boston series unless he pitches 2 innings tonight.
2007-09-12 18:23:41
131.   RIYank
128 Well, if you don't use him today, then you likely use him tomorrow. And that would mean he has fewer innings available for the Sox series. If you think the Sox series is more important, then you use Joba today, for one inning.
2007-09-12 18:24:14
132.   3rd gen yankee fan
Is it true that Joba can't come into the middle of an inning? If so then how does he have 14 1/3 scoreless?
2007-09-12 18:24:51
133.   monkeypants
126 ???

McGowan 22 batters faced, 99 pitches, 4.5 P/AB
Downs 6 batters, 25 pitches, 4.2 P/AB

Those are not hacktastic numbers.

2007-09-12 18:24:56
134.   ChrisS
132 He got ejected for allegedly throwing at Youkilis.
2007-09-12 18:25:27
135.   RIYank
132 Hmmmmm. Yeah, that's a point. He's certainly never left in the middle of an inning.
2007-09-12 18:26:00
136.   RIYank
134 Ah, that's it! Genius.
2007-09-12 18:26:25
137.   monkeypants
132 Ejection. The "Youkillis Rules."
2007-09-12 18:26:38
138.   SF Yanks
135 He got tossed remember?
2007-09-12 18:27:25
139.   SF Yanks
138 Wow, I'm way behind. Yall just too fast for me.
2007-09-12 18:27:32
140.   3rd gen yankee fan
134 Oh that's right.

137 hahaha

2007-09-12 18:27:51
141.   OldYanksFan
What happens if we tie Detroit for the WC? 1 Playoff game? And if so, which stadium?
2007-09-12 18:28:12
142.   ChrisS
133 Downs in particular. He had 3 Ks of those 6 batters, in a row, which was followed by the dynamic duo mentioned in 127 making two outs out of three pitches.
2007-09-12 18:29:30
143.   SF Yanks
Joba time!
2007-09-12 18:29:34
144.   RIYank
Well, here he is.

141 Yes, playoff. And it's in our house, because we won a coin toss for it.

2007-09-12 18:33:00
145.   rsmith51
Are the Joba rules in effect in the playoffs? I would think they would be more lax with the season on the line.
2007-09-12 18:34:06
146.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
145 They'd have to be more lax in the playoffs! Hopefully JT won't keep Mariano off the mound in non-save situations either..
2007-09-12 18:35:04
147.   RIYank
145 Hm, yeah. And, for that matter, even if Cashman says they're in effect, will Torre honor them??

I hope I never take Joba for granted. That was just awesome.

2007-09-12 18:35:07
148.   SF Yanks
Bout time he struck someone out.
2007-09-12 18:35:56
149.   3rd gen yankee fan
The kid is amazing. You run out of superlatives! New Yankee record holder. Wow.
2007-09-12 18:35:58
150.   ChrisS
'Bout time he struck someone out.
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2007-09-12 18:36:21
151.   ChrisS
148 lol!
2007-09-12 18:36:55
152.   SF Yanks
150 Are you in my head?
2007-09-12 18:37:26
153.   williamnyy23
I wonder if Torre is planning to pitch Farnsworth in the 8th inning. If not, then Joba will only be available for one game in Fenway, which doesn't seem to make sense at all.

Of course, using Joba in the 7th against the bottom of the lineup and Farns against the top doesn't make sense either...unless...Torre is thinking he can use Mo to bail out Farns in the 8th, but can't use Joba to bail him out in the 7th.

2007-09-12 18:37:39
154.   Mattpat11
Danny Glover in for Tampa. Not looking good.
2007-09-12 18:37:42
155.   OldYanksFan
144 Coin toss? In which bar? Not the team with the better head-to-head record? Whene did this coin flip take place?
2007-09-12 18:38:55
156.   monkeypants
146 Joba rules in the playoffs are less relevant because there are more off days. The real issue is whether they will allow him to go back-to-back.
2007-09-12 18:39:18
157.   ChrisS
152 It would seem so.
2007-09-12 18:40:26
158.   williamnyy23
155 Yep...a coin flip. MLB conducts a whole series of coin flips around this time to determine home field and the Yankees won the one with Detroit.
2007-09-12 18:41:42
159.   RIYank
155 Commissioner. I dunno, about a week ago. They flipped for us vs Seattle, us vs Detroit, and so on. We won both of those -- the Seattle one is to all appearances now irrelevant.
2007-09-12 18:42:56
160.   monkeypants
159 I think the Sox are planning to raise a banner next year at opening day for the coin toss they won.
2007-09-12 18:45:44
161.   fansince77
I love that we have got so many cold hitters right now and we are winning ball games...Matsui will wake up against Boston, either Jeter or Melk will too. It's good to be winning when you're slumping.
2007-09-12 18:45:47
162.   RIYank
160 Oh, excellent. And they popped the corks on a couple of cases of champagne, no doubt.

So our team has a batting average of .120 tonight. And we're kicking ass.

2007-09-12 18:46:40
163.   OldYanksFan
160 {:-)
2007-09-12 18:46:59
164.   SF Yanks
157 You must be because my name is Chris too. Dun dun dunnnnn.... the plot thicken.
2007-09-12 18:48:39
165.   fansince77
Was Posada maybe looking for a ball lets say..... RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE.

This one's not over boys- I hate we do this lay down shit!

2007-09-12 18:48:47
166.   OldYanksFan
Magic number against Detroit is 14, 13 for a tie. Hopefully, we will knock one off that number tonight.
2007-09-12 18:48:50
167.   Mattpat11
158 And the one with Seattle. Not that that's relevant any more.
2007-09-12 18:50:15
168.   rsmith51
Crap, two innings with a 4 run lead. I don't like this.
2007-09-12 18:50:21
169.   SF Yanks
Whaa?? Why's Joba pitching? I'm really, really confused.
2007-09-12 18:50:55
170.   Mattpat11
165 Does Lyle Overbay bat again?
2007-09-12 18:51:16
171.   monkeypants
Hmmm, this is a perverse decision by Torre. Maybe he's "saving" Joba for a two inning spot against Boston--maybe when Clemens/Hughes starts?
2007-09-12 18:51:21
172.   RIYank
Uh oh.
Could this be it? The end of the run?
2007-09-12 18:51:42
173.   rsmith51
Time for some K's, Joba
2007-09-12 18:52:13
174.   RIYank
I don't mind the decision too much to leave him in. I think it means Torre is thinking about getting wins, not about the Red Sox.
2007-09-12 18:52:15
175.   3rd gen yankee fan
Ok guys, please no freaking out.
2007-09-12 18:52:16
176.   SF Yanks
Has the time come that we've all been dreading?
2007-09-12 18:52:30
177.   nemecizer
172 Ssshhhh. Don't jinx it (not that I am not thinking the same thing).
2007-09-12 18:53:34
178.   3rd gen yankee fan
2007-09-12 18:54:29
179.   3rd gen yankee fan
Shall we sing another 80's tune to calm your nerves? :-)
2007-09-12 18:54:33
180.   RIYank
Oh, sweet. Beautiful.

Oh, and another, nice.

Now Stairs. 170 Thank god it isn't Overbay, or we'd be cooked.

2007-09-12 18:54:34
181.   monkeypants
174 If he's thinking about wins, he needs to think about using his best relief pitchers in high leverage spots. 4 run leads vs. the Jays? Not so much. Two appearances vs. the Sox? Maybe yes.

Detroit's schedule is much easier than the Yankees', so those games against the Sox are very important.

2007-09-12 18:55:53
182.   RIYank
181 Yeah, but: also he gets more use out of Joba by having him pitch two innings at a time. More pitches for the same total stress. And this situation is still maybe medium leverage, don't you think?
2007-09-12 18:56:07
183.   rsmith51
181 Agreed, but you got to take Torre with his flaws. At least until 2008.
2007-09-12 18:56:34
184.   monkeypants
In all seriousness, the RSN gun has Joba's fastball a little "slower" than usual (mostly 95 or so). What is everyone else seeing?
2007-09-12 18:57:16
185.   rsmith51
184 Considering that Moose was hitting 90, I would find that concerning.
2007-09-12 18:57:17
186.   nemecizer
184 Gameday had 4 99mph in a row.
2007-09-12 18:57:44
187.   nemecizer
Come on Joba, get out of this!
2007-09-12 18:58:29
188.   monkeypants
182 Probably. It's a tough call either way, balancing the now v. possible future scenarios.
2007-09-12 18:58:42
189.   SF Yanks
184 YES has 97.
2007-09-12 18:59:07
190.   Dan-el
184 yea gameday was clocking his fastballs in the 7th at 100.

i thought it a little too good to be true that mussina was hitting 90 on the RSN gun, but gameday clocked him at 91-92 several times.

2007-09-12 18:59:30
191.   SF Yanks
Throw sliders for the rest of the at-bat.
2007-09-12 19:00:15
192.   rsmith51
Throw a strike, Joba. I predict a slider here.
2007-09-12 19:00:36
193.   RIYank
This is fun.
2007-09-12 19:01:25
194.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
I don't get 35+ pitches in a 4-0 game....
2007-09-12 19:01:34
195.   RIYank
Oh, shit. SHIT.

A-Rod's fault.

2007-09-12 19:01:47
196.   monkeypants
But an unearned run?
2007-09-12 19:01:52
197.   SF Yanks
Thanks Alex.
2007-09-12 19:01:53
198.   nemecizer
Thus endeth the streak.
2007-09-12 19:02:35
199.   rsmith51
2007-09-12 19:02:46
200.   Mattpat11
Well that sucked.
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2007-09-12 19:03:17
201.   Yankees Brasil
Stupid decision to send him out there to pitch the 8th.
2007-09-12 19:03:25
202.   nemecizer
198 Oh, shit, it's an unearned run. Streak still alive! And Mo comes in.
2007-09-12 19:03:36
203.   RIYank
196 Yep.
2007-09-12 19:03:49
204.   williamnyy23 was a bad throw by Alex, but DM showed the athleticism of a rock. Regardless of the outcome, letting Joba throw 35 pitches made absolutely no sense at all. Should the Yankees lose this game, the trangression will be compounded. This now becomes a must win game...and the tying run is at the plate.
2007-09-12 19:04:02
205.   fansince77
C'mon Alex don't do that old alex head case routine. That was bullshit.
2007-09-12 19:04:02
206.   3rd gen yankee fan
At least Joba got the record.
2007-09-12 19:04:02
207.   SF Yanks
198 Not really. He still hasn't given up an earned run. That's what matters. The streaks alive!
2007-09-12 19:04:22
208.   randym77
Ah, well, if it had to end, unearned is better than earned, I guess.

Bad throw by A-Rod. It reminded me of last season, when he got all those errors.

2007-09-12 19:04:56
209.   3rd gen yankee fan
207 Oh. Well cool.
2007-09-12 19:05:13
210.   Jersey
ARod!!! Trade this guy, PLEASE. ;)

ER streak alive at least.

And if Mo let's any of those baserunners score, they'll all be unearned. So Joba lives to streak another day. Ewww.

2007-09-12 19:06:08
211.   RIYank
I don't understand how Adams scored from second on that play.
2007-09-12 19:06:09
212.   fansince77
THis game feels a long way from over.
2007-09-12 19:06:36
213.   Jersey
211 Probably because he was on third.
2007-09-12 19:07:04
214.   monkeypants
208 "Bad throw by A-Rod. It reminded me of last season, when he got all those errors."

So his error reminded you of his errors?

; )

2007-09-12 19:07:20
215.   RIYank
Hooooo boy.
2007-09-12 19:07:25
216.   SF Yanks
213 lol.
2007-09-12 19:07:36
217.   pistolpete
2007-09-12 19:08:23
218.   RIYank
213 Oh yeah, when Thomas grounded out. Okay.
2007-09-12 19:08:42
219.   SF Yanks
OK, enough with the stress. It was cute for a second there, now can we end this please?
2007-09-12 19:08:57
220.   pistolpete
This reeks of a bloop double by Zaun
2007-09-12 19:09:13
221.   RIYank

Order restored.

2007-09-12 19:09:20
222.   pistolpete
2007-09-12 19:09:21
223.   SF Yanks
Thank you Mo.
2007-09-12 19:09:27
224.   williamnyy23
Mo to the rescue again!
2007-09-12 19:09:42
225.   fansince77
I know i'll be in the minority on this one but I am not so sure that Joba pitching in a little heat isn't a good thing. If this guy is going to be solid for us in the playoffs- he needs to have pitched in some muddy waters a little...or at least from the stretch a couple times. I am glad that he had a challenge tonight.
2007-09-12 19:10:01
226.   nemecizer
I am going to send Joba and Mo the bill from my cardiologist after that inning. And A-Rod, too.
2007-09-12 19:10:23
227.   3rd gen yankee fan
pfft. I never doubted.
2007-09-12 19:10:41
228.   monkeypants
OK boys--let's score four or five runs, and pull Mo from the game so he's nice and rested for tomorrow.
2007-09-12 19:11:05
229.   RIYank
I was kind of getting off on the tension, actually. But I'm happy it's over.
2007-09-12 19:11:18
230.   Mattpat11
And Stinkapalooza comes to Toronto to start the ninth.
2007-09-12 19:11:36
231.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
225 Makes sense..though Toronto is hardly the same thing as Papi or Vlad the Great...
2007-09-12 19:11:51
232.   fansince77
I do have to say though, that tomorrow's challenge seems tougher and tougher due to the way this ugly thing is unfolding. I guess at this point - it had to be balls to the wall to get this win. Not done yet...but if we can nail it down- we'll need some bats manana.
2007-09-12 19:11:58
233.   Robert the Robot
[225} I agree, bring him down to earth a little before things get hairy.
2007-09-12 19:12:14
234.   RIYank
Let's at least make Accardo throw 20+ pitches, so he can't play tomorrow.
2007-09-12 19:12:18
235.   williamnyy23
Back to the decision to use Joba for two innings...I can understand if it was a 1-run lead at the time, but to use him for 2 full innings (in what turned out to be 35 pitches) in a 4-run game doesn't seem to make any sense at all. I am not really concerned with saving him for Boston as much as saving him for as many games as possible. For that reason, I can't come up with one good reason to have him throw 2 innings. Any theories?
2007-09-12 19:12:24
236.   Max
225 Agreed. I'd rather Joba face some heat now for the first time, rather than during the playoffs or at Fenway.
2007-09-12 19:12:45
237.   OldYanksFan
TB leads Bawston after 8. Boston with the top of the order coming in the bottom of the 9th.
2007-09-12 19:12:52
238.   monkeypants
225 I agree--that's partly why I want to see him pitching in high leverage spots as much as possible. It would have been nice if he could have been forced to go another batter or two that inning and work out of it, but at 35 pitches it was correct to pull him.

And Minky flashes both the leather and the lumber.

2007-09-12 19:12:54
239.   randym77
214 The motion of his arm. It kind of dropped down so he sidearmed it, and the ball sailed. That's what was happening last year on all those throwing errors.
2007-09-12 19:13:08
240.   williamnyy23
One more point...DM completely screwed up two plays now...the single past him when Moose was on the mound and the tag on the Arod throw. If he can't make both plays, he has no business being on the field.
2007-09-12 19:14:07
241.   SF Yanks
Singleton just made me laugh.
2007-09-12 19:14:26
242.   Mattpat11
There really is something comforting about watching Doug Mientkiewicz fail. You know that in a world of change and turmoil, at least one thing remains constant.
2007-09-12 19:14:37
243.   RIYank
235 I gave my theory.
You get more total pitches from Joba if you use him two innings at a time. There's less stress per inning that way. And the game was/is still close enough for it to matter whether you have a good pitcher or a bad one in the game.
2007-09-12 19:15:38
244.   ChrisS
240 But he's a defensive wizard at first and can hit occasionally.

Glad he didn't shatter any misconceptions I may have had 87 .

Fortunately, he was leading off and it's not a huge AB.

2007-09-12 19:15:47
245.   Mattpat11
240 He also blew a game earlier in the year when he fell on his ass and Oakland walked off.

If you're going to hit like he does, he better be a vacuum.

2007-09-12 19:17:54
246.   SF Yanks
Kay made a funny. Took me a sec to get the lame joke though. Yet I still laughed.
2007-09-12 19:18:30
247.   RIYank
Okay, JD, bring home the milk!
2007-09-12 19:18:56
248.   3rd gen yankee fan
2007-09-12 19:20:15
249.   RIYank
Oh well. Nice play.
2007-09-12 19:20:29
250.   fansince77
Joyce's strikezone has been inconsistent on the low pitch all night- Moose didn't get that call at all and it seems like everything down is a strike to the Yanks
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2007-09-12 19:20:33
251.   monkeypants
That was not a catch.
2007-09-12 19:21:04
252.   fansince77
He did not catch that- IT BOUNCED! IT BOUNCED!
2007-09-12 19:21:07
253.   randym77
BOOO! JD wuz robbed.
2007-09-12 19:21:44
254.   tommyl
251 Not a catch? It wasn't even close to a catch! That has to be the worst call I have seen this year, even worse than the Seattle "stolen base."
2007-09-12 19:22:05
255.   fansince77
2007-09-12 19:22:08
256.   Robert the Robot
If that ball had bounced any further from Wells the second baseman would have had a shot. Bad, bad call. LOUSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
2007-09-12 19:22:29
257.   williamnyy23
251 I really hope that horrendous call becomes irrelevant in about 7 minutes. This adds to a growing list of awful calls, which I think demands that a more sophisticated and transparent rating system for umpires be put in place.
2007-09-12 19:22:55
258.   monkeypants
249 As in nice salesman job.
2007-09-12 19:23:34
259.   fansince77
2007-09-12 19:23:45
260.   3rd gen yankee fan
Plunk Wells!
2007-09-12 19:23:56
261.   monkeypants
OK, now you all saw Minky make that catch from Jeter. Stop ragging on Minky!
2007-09-12 19:25:33
262.   RIYank
Mo make it irrelevant.
2007-09-12 19:25:40
263.   OldYanksFan
Cano's positioning this game has been AMAZING!
2007-09-12 19:26:20
264.   fansince77
SOMEBODY ON THE YANKEE DESERVES SOME serious credit for the placement of infielders...probably Bowa- these guys are dead red on every play...lot's of could've been hits if not so professionally scouted.
2007-09-12 19:26:23
265.   OldYanksFan
Luggie leading off fot the Sox. 2-0 count.
2007-09-12 19:26:24
266.   fansince77
SOMEBODY ON THE YANKEE DESERVES SOME serious credit for the placement of infielders...probably Bowa- these guys are dead red on every play...lot's of could've been hits if not so professionally scouted.
2007-09-12 19:26:38
267.   OldYanksFan
2007-09-12 19:26:40
268.   Robert the Robot
Get ready. Rays are getting ready to lose it....
2007-09-12 19:26:44
269.   RIYank
Back to the Wells play: why didn't he come up throwing??
He was more concerned about 'selling' the catch than he was about playing the game. I guess he knew Melky would score easily.
2007-09-12 19:26:54
270.   monkeypants
Nice catch by Matsui. By the way, if you pull Giambi in the sixth for defense, why not swap Damon into LF for the 8th or 9th?
2007-09-12 19:27:14
271.   OldYanksFan
3-2 count.
2007-09-12 19:27:27
272.   yankz
I'd just like to direct everybody to comment number 1 .
2007-09-12 19:28:20
273.   williamnyy23
271 I think we all know what is coming.
2007-09-12 19:28:21
274.   OldYanksFan
Lugo walks. And so it begins.
2007-09-12 19:28:26
275.   marc
at least the robbery only turned into an expliding bag of phony money
2007-09-12 19:28:35
276.   nemecizer
21 games over .500 and 7 wins in a row is a good place to be. Still 4 games ahead of Detroit.

Let's go DevilFish!

2007-09-12 19:28:38
277.   SF Yanks
Aaaand the lead off runner is aboard.
2007-09-12 19:28:39
278.   OldYanksFan
Dustbin up.
2007-09-12 19:28:39
279.   RIYank
2007-09-12 19:28:44
280.   monkeypants
269 What is the difference between selling the catch and playing the game?
2007-09-12 19:29:37
281.   pistolpete
Sox setting themselves up to win again. Lugo on first, no outs.
2007-09-12 19:30:15
282.   OldYanksFan
1-1 on big and tall.
2007-09-12 19:30:18
283.   yankz
How dare A-Clod give up a run on Mighty Joba's watch? I say we remove his name from MVP voting.
2007-09-12 19:30:51
284.   SF Yanks
What are the odds the Sox win this game? 90%?
2007-09-12 19:31:15
285.   OldYanksFan
Fly out to LF. Papi up, man on first, one out.
2007-09-12 19:31:37
286.   pistolpete
99% if Pedroia gets on.
2007-09-12 19:31:39
287.   OldYanksFan
fans on their feet........
2007-09-12 19:31:56
288.   OldYanksFan
low, outside. 1-0.
2007-09-12 19:32:03
289.   pistolpete
Ok, so it's about at 95% now.
2007-09-12 19:32:21
290.   williamnyy23
Not that it matters much anymore, but Seattle is losing 1-0 already.
2007-09-12 19:32:32
291.   RIYank
Huh. I put "clap clap clap" in angle brackets in 279 , applauding yankz. But it's invisible. I didn't know angle-bracketing did that.

280 Playing the game is running, catching, throwing, hitting. Selling a catch is advertising.

2007-09-12 19:32:39
292.   OldYanksFan
Reyes against Papi. Fouled off. 1-1.
2007-09-12 19:33:30
293.   williamnyy23
Rooting for Al Reyes to close a game makes me really, really, really appreciate Mo.
2007-09-12 19:33:47
294.   OldYanksFan
Reyes goes 3-1 on Papi.
2007-09-12 19:33:58
295.   Mattpat11
One more win for Moose and he can keep his ten win per year streak alive.
2007-09-12 19:34:19
296.   joe in boston
I want you guys to know that for the last 2+ hours I have been furiously switching between the Yanks and the Sox. I refuse to watch Tampa blow this one... I will hereby receive all Sox/DRays updates tonight from the Banter.....
2007-09-12 19:34:19
297.   Mattpat11
293 It makes you appreciate Farnsworth.
2007-09-12 19:34:29
298.   RIYank
That Ortiz can still hit, huh?
2007-09-12 19:34:33
299.   yankz
From RLYW: "I'm wondering if Torre's deliberately trying to keep Joba out of the Boston series, what with the whole Youkilis thing. It would be in character, and I can sorta kinda see the logic of not exposing a 21-year-old to Boston fans any more than necessary (until the ALCS, anyhow)."

Makes sense to me.

2007-09-12 19:34:44
300.   OldYanksFan
Walk off for Papi.
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2007-09-12 19:35:09
301.   Robert the Robot
A big case of Giuseppe Franco Hair Grease for the Devil Rays. They absolutely STINK!
2007-09-12 19:35:33
302.   pistolpete
300 And there's your Sportscenter lead.

Al Reyes needs to DIAF.

2007-09-12 19:35:38
303.   Mattpat11
Contract the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.
2007-09-12 19:35:50
304.   SF Yanks
2007-09-12 19:35:52
305.   3rd gen yankee fan
I think I woulda left Dan Wheeler in.

Well gnite guys.

2007-09-12 19:35:52
306.   BklynBmr
296 That's what I shoulda done...
2007-09-12 19:36:06
307.   nemecizer
Shrek srikes again.

Oh, well, 7 in a row and 21 over .500.

2007-09-12 19:36:35
309.   williamnyy23
Incredible...Delmon Young plays a flyball out into a walkoff Home Run. You can't really get too disappointed...that's why the Devil Rays are the Devil Rays, and also why you can't win a division by expecting them to help you out. As fun as it would have been to go into Fenway 3 games down, I think we can now and should shift our attention back to the Wild Card.
2007-09-12 19:36:55
310.   BklynBmr
The route Young took to that ball would make T. Long proud...
2007-09-12 19:36:56
311.   Mattpat11
Okay. Back to good news. Sweep Toronto and continue the humiliation of JP Ricciardi.
2007-09-12 19:37:15
312.   SF Yanks
I'd also like to give credit to the wonderfully pathetic right fielder who did all he could NOT to catch that ball. Thanks right fielder!
2007-09-12 19:37:43
313.   OldYanksFan
It was a super high fly. The RFer is running around, can get a bead on it. It hits someone in the front row (with the 3' wall) and bounces back on the field. Could have been caught.
2007-09-12 19:37:54
314.   monkeypants
291 I guess I just see it differently--a fielder selling the catch, a catcher "framing" the pitch, the batter jogging confidently to first on a close pitch. All of these are part of playing the game, IMO. If you can convince the ump to make a call that furthers your team's chance of winning, well played!
2007-09-12 19:38:01
315.   RIYank
I was listening, not watching the Red Sox. Joe Castiglione says Young could have caught that ball if he had been in position -- the wall is only about 40 inches high. Is that true?
2007-09-12 19:38:39
316.   pistolpete
312 That would be Dmitri Young.
2007-09-12 19:39:03
317.   BklynBmr
309 "I think we can now and should shift our attention back to the Wild Card"

I can just picture Torre giving that speech in the clubhouse...

2007-09-12 19:39:16
318.   joe in boston
296 check the time. Yeah, that'm me. How come I can't predict the lottery? Man, Tampa strikes again. Yeesh.
2007-09-12 19:39:58
319.   Mattpat11
314 Vernon Wells was banking on a hideous call. It only worked because he happened to get it. If he pulls that stunt on a competent umpire, he costs his team another run.
2007-09-12 19:40:09
320.   OldYanksFan
315 See 313 . The answer is yes.
2007-09-12 19:40:23
321.   JimCobain
The difference in the division right now is the Sox found a way to ebat the Devil Rays while the Yankees found ways to lose against them this year. Simple as that.
2007-09-12 19:40:53
322.   RIYank
I guess my question was answered while I was typing it.

314 To me, a great player comes up throwing. Instinct, he can't help it. He isn't thinking about how he can trick an ump into making an incorrect call. Willie Mays would have come up throwing; Bernie would have.

2007-09-12 19:41:24
323.   Robert the Robot
315 True. He did not even have to leap. Should have just reached up.
2007-09-12 19:41:30
324.   SF Yanks
316 He doesn't deserve to be mentioned by name. I deliberately avoided remembering or looking up his name. He should change his name to Useless.
2007-09-12 19:41:55
325.   monkeypants
It's a four team tournament. I'm more worried about Detroit climbing back in that whether or not the Rays beat Boston.
2007-09-12 19:43:47
326.   Robert the Robot
315 He played it like it was 40 rows back.
2007-09-12 19:44:55
327.   SF Yanks
316 See, I didn't even catch on to that because I hope to forget his name, at least until the end of the season.
2007-09-12 19:45:16
328.   JeremyM
325 I agree. While taking the division would be nice, I've been stuck on the Wild Card since early June. Even when the Rays were up 50-1 or whatever yesterday I figured they'd lose, so all you can do is shrug your shoulders and move on.
2007-09-12 19:46:27
329.   BklynBmr
322 Great point.
2007-09-12 19:46:50
330.   monkeypants
319 Two outs, Melky running on contact, OF diving? Melky sciores either way, most likely. He wouldn't have cost the team a run in either case.

322 Perhaps. I assume that even great players think about certain game situations and react to them consciously, not entirely instinctively. I have a hard time believing that Willie Mays never tried to sell a play.

Whatever, I'm not gonna get worked up about it (mainly b/c the blown call had, mercifully, no impact on the outcome).

2007-09-12 19:49:35
331.   Mattpat11
Here's an interesting question.

Does essentially facing the same pitcher two days in a row (Big Moose and Little Moose) prove to be an advantage or disadvantage?

2007-09-12 19:49:36
332.   OldYanksFan
330 Willie was one of the big time salesman. He used his rep all the time to try and steal some catches.
2007-09-12 19:51:07
333.   RIYank
I predict we win the WC by five games. Detroit won't tank, and we won't continue this red hot streak, but we won't let them close.
2007-09-12 19:54:41
334.   Raf
Delmon Young = TB
Dimitri Young = WSN
2007-09-12 19:54:54
335.   Mattpat11
You have no idea how badly I want this sweep.
2007-09-12 19:56:08
336.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, Team!

I'm ready to cry. I missed the game, but I turn on the television and Joe's talking about Mike's good outing, a Hideki double, and, what's this?--Joba allowed a run?

That's sad to have missed Joba's first run and a solid outing by Mike.

Must have been a nice game.

2007-09-12 19:56:45
337.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow, four runs on four hits.
2007-09-12 19:57:14
338.   weeping for brunnhilde
Was Mike's velocity up tonight, or what?
2007-09-12 19:57:20
339.   RIYank
336 Unearned run, though. A-Rod error.

It was a good game, yes. Moose had good control, and a somewhat faster fastball.

2007-09-12 19:59:25
340.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Joba's run was unearned!

How cool is that?

2007-09-12 19:59:59
341.   RIYank
Joba gave up a double, probably the hardest hit ball against him in, well, ML history. The runner moved to third on a grounder, then scored when A-Rod threw wide to first and Minky tried to slap the tag on the batter but missed.

Mo came in, walked a guy, but then restored order and got the last four outs.

Oh, and Vernon Wells made* a shoestring catch to rob Damon of a hit and the Yanks of a run in the ninth. But in fact he trapped it. And there was much consternation, but Mo made it all irrelevant.

2007-09-12 20:00:53
342.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, it's everyone's favorite sour puss!

I love this guy.

2007-09-12 20:02:48
343.   weeping for brunnhilde
341 Thanks, RI, nice summary.
2007-09-12 20:05:02
344.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fuck, nice play by Robby.

Hot damn.

2007-09-12 20:05:56
345.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fucking Joba!

"Hey it happens. We won, that's all that matters." So confident.

Fucking love this kid.

2007-09-12 20:07:19
346.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, motherfucking Ortiz.
2007-09-12 20:08:09
347.   monkeypants
346 Whoa, you're all hepped up tonight.
2007-09-12 20:13:25
348.   weeping for brunnhilde
347 ha ha hah ah ah a!!

Yes, mp, I suppose I am.

I'm in a good mood.


2007-09-12 20:30:29
349.   pistolpete
345 Better he gets it out of the way NOW, because you know the Sawx would be gunning to be the first ones to crack the armor - especially since the Youkilis debacle.
2007-09-12 20:43:56
350.   Mattpat11
Because I'm bored, I decided to calculate Stinky's stats since the beginning of the 2004 season

1109 AB, 181 singles, 68 doubles, three triples, 25 HR 125 BB.


He barely cracks a .700 OPS

And this guy is fucking up in the field.

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2007-09-12 20:53:52
351.   BklynBmr
Guaranteed to p*ss off at least 43% of BB denizens:

2007-09-12 21:01:57
352.   JL25and3
316 That would be Delmon, not Dmitri. Dmitri is as much a right fielder as Ortiz is.

As for Delmon, any time the D-Rays don't want him, I'd be glad to take him.

2007-09-12 21:03:59
353.   monkeypants
351 yeah, I used to get upset about BB awards. Then I realized they are all mostly shams.
2007-09-12 21:08:23
354.   yankz
353 There are Bronx Banter awards? Why do I not have a vote?!
2007-09-12 22:23:12
355.   SF Yanks
352 You can have him. Anybody that roams the outfield like he did on that last play and who throws bats at umpires, I don't want on my team.

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