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The Kansas City Royales (with cheese)
2007-09-07 15:47
by Alex Belth
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I felt as sure that the Yankees would win the last two games of the Seattle series, and they did just that, but with the memory of last weekend's weak-ass showing against the Devil Rays still fresh, I'm on the fence about whether I think the Yankees will win this series against the Royals. It's the start of a nine-game road trip, the Blue Jays and Red Sox looming. I'm actually feeling that they are going to lose two-of-three, and I'm not trying to be dramatic, either.

I don't know much about the Royals but I do know that they've been competitive. They are throwing three pretty good pitchers at the Yanks this weekend, I know that much. It's just that I'm not convinced the Yankees can bring their A-game to a so-so team on a regular basis.

Show us you are a playoff team. You know what I'm saying? C'mon already. I know we're impatient, I know we're demanding. Just win already and we'll leave you alone.

With Cliff still away on vacay, I was fortunate enough to get acclaimed sports writer Joe Posnanski--whose wonderful blog, The Soul of Baseball, quickly became a must-read this season--to share his thoughts on the Royals with us. Enjoy.

The KC Royals

By Joe Posnanski.

Since May 12, the Royals have played exactly .500 baseball -- they are 51-51. This probably doesn't seem the kind of record that would prompt a ticker-tape parade, but hey it has been bad around here. The Royals are one win away from clinching a non-100 loss season. When you've lost 100 games four out of five years, you take your small victories when you can get them.

The exciting part about the Royals recent solid play is that they are doing it with kids. The Royals one moment of promise in the last 15 or so years happened in 2003 when they got off to the amazing 16-3 start and were in first place most of the season. But they did that mostly with veterans -- Mike Sweeney, Raul Ibanez, Carlos Beltran, Brian Anderson, Jose Lima (!), Curt Leskanic, etc. -- and any clear-eyed observer would have known that it could not last. Of course, the Royals had been so bad for so long that many of us DID think it would last, then Ibanez signed elsewhere, Beltran was traded, Sweeney got hurt, the others got old, and the Royals lost 210 games the next two seasons.

This time around, at least, it's the kids sparking the resurgence. It begins with rookie starter Brian Bannister, who came over from the Mets in the Ambiorix Burgos deal. I am so rarely right about anything, but, man, I nailed that deal. I heard from all my New York friends when Burgos showed up at spring training throwing 100 mph, looking great. I said: "Just wait." Burgos, as predicted, couldn't throw strikes, couldn't get anybody out and blew out his arm. Have fun with that guy.

Meanwhile, Bannister has been terrific -- to me, he's the American League rookie of the year right now. You could argue for Dustin Pedroia, I suppose, but at this point I still like Bannister. For so long people were ready to hand the award to Dice-K. Look at their numbers now:

Bannister: 12-7, 3.16 ERA, 151 ERA+, league is hitting .242 against him.
Matsuzaka: 14-11, 4.11 ERA, 111 ERA+, league is hitting .246 against him.

So it starts with Bannister. He will throw this weekend. Then, you throw in rookie closer Joakim Soria, who has been electric all year -- the league is hitting .192 against him. Yankees fans will, I think, see similarities between him and Mariano. I'm not comparing the two at all, obviously. I'm saying that Soria obviously idolizes Rivera because he has patterned his setup and delivery after the guy. At times, if you look away from the screen and look back quickly, they look identical. Try it! It's fun!

Then there are the two rookie hitters -- Alex Gordon and Billy Butler. Gordon started off the season horribly -- on June 6 he was hitting .173. Since then he's hitting right at .300 with some power, and it's clear watching him play that he pattered HIS game after George Brett.

Billy Butler is just a stud. No other way to say it. He's 21 years old, his power isn't in place yet, he has no position, but the guy can flat hit. If you took his stats from this year over a full season, you would come up with a .300 average, 40 or so doubles, 12 homers, between 90 and 100 RBIs -- and this guy has no idea what he's doing yet. A scout called me and said he's the best young right handed hitter he's seen since Manny Ramirez.

That's four rookies, all contributing (five if you include shortstop Tony Pena, who really can't hit and never walks but probably makes more good defensive plays than any other shortstop in the league). There are some other good signs too. Zack Greinke, after a couple of lost years, is back in the rotation and he has not given up a run in this stretch as a starter. Gil Meche, who was everybody's favorite whipping boy when the Royals gave him $55 million over five years, has been solid (his 7-12 record doesn't show it; his 3.85 ERA does). Mark Teahen has had an up-and-down year, but he's a good player who can beat you a few different ways. Joey Gathright's average had dropped a bit, but he's beginning to figure out how to use his amazing speed. Longtime Royals icon Mike Sweeney is back with the team and has been hitting the ball hard again.

Point is there are signs of hope in Kansas City. It's worth noting, however, that these signs of hope did not prevent the Yankees from destroying the Royals in the Bronx.

Ian Kennedy is on the mound tonight, making his second-career start. Gil Meche, winless in his last eight starts, goes for the Royals. Yanks have their work cut out as Meche is due for a turn in luck, but they are still supposed to win these games, yes?

Right. Exactly.

Would be great to see Rodriguez hit his 50th in KC.

Let's Go Yan-Kees!

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2007-09-07 16:15:34
1.   bobtaco
We play today, we win today das it.
2007-09-07 16:20:06
2.   yankz
I'm loving the Pulp Fiction reference.

I recently asked a French girl, and it's true.

2007-09-07 16:23:06
3.   yankz
Oh shit, Bannister = URP, and a good one at that?
2007-09-07 16:40:54
4.   RIYank
2 What, the mayonnaise?
2007-09-07 16:54:07
5.   yankz
4 No, that it's called a Royale with cheese.
2007-09-07 16:58:55
6.   Marcus
4 You're thinking of the Dutch. They like mayonnaise on their fries. They f-in' drown 'em in that sh-t!
2007-09-07 16:59:51
7.   RIYank
6 Oh yeah. No, I think maybe I was thinking of Belgians.
How can one tell?
2007-09-07 17:02:28
8.   Marcus
7 Maybe if you're Flemish.
2007-09-07 17:03:03
9.   claybeez
6 A number of Europeans do it, maybe not whole nations, but lots of individuals.
2007-09-07 17:03:31
10.   Zack
Anyone else getting the KC feed sound with the YES video on Freaky...Oh, it just switched over to the YES sound, even weirder
2007-09-07 17:06:19
11.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
9 Over here the new thing is the morning "McPork" sandwich...not a poster you want to see on a crowded morning train...
Sitting down to espresso, mueslix and miso soup for the 9am local start. Let`s go Yan-kees!
2007-09-07 17:09:40
12.   Alex Belth
Funny enough, but I'm half Belgian. My mom is from there, the French speaking part not the Flemish--although I've got cousins and aunts and uncles who speak Flemish primarily.

The fries--frites--in Belgium are the best I've ever had.

I just had that headline in my head and couldn't not use it even if it was for a Q. Tarrantino movie. I really don't like but he's got talent. I just don't care for it much, though I did like the parts I saw of the Kung Fu movie.

2007-09-07 17:13:58
13.   yankz
Ugh, Jeter, that was ugly.
2007-09-07 17:14:28
14.   SF Yanks
Jeter and his damn first pitch swinging to negate Damon's full count.
2007-09-07 17:14:55
15.   Zack
How come Baltimore sucks total ass against the Sox yet do great against us?
2007-09-07 17:16:55
16.   yankz
Way too easy for Meche.

Arod hit 499 vs. him, remember?

2007-09-07 17:21:18
17.   yankz
What's with our kids getting squeezed?
2007-09-07 17:21:56
18.   Zack
How was that not a strike?
2007-09-07 17:26:44
19.   Mattpat11
Mussina looks thrilled.
2007-09-07 17:27:13
20.   Mattpat11
17 They don't have the body of work that Gil Meche has.
2007-09-07 17:27:14
21.   Mattpat11
17 They don't have the body of work that Gil Meche has.
2007-09-07 17:29:57
22.   yankz
I'd rather Seattle win.
2007-09-07 17:30:10
23.   Marcus
12 There is a place out here in Oakland called Luka's Lounge that specializes in Belgian ales and frites. I can't speak to their authenticity, in fact, judging from the entrees they are not even trying to be authentic, but I will say they are some of the best fries I've ever had.
2007-09-07 17:31:13
24.   Zack
Theres a little place I remember in the east village that served some awesome Belgian fries with all the various types of mayo...
2007-09-07 17:32:27
25.   yankz
"Michael does some of his best work at night"

Are we supposed to read into that? Judging by their snickering, I'd say yes.

2007-09-07 17:32:50
26.   yankz
25 They meant Kay
2007-09-07 17:33:33
27.   kylepetterson
Watching on Gameday - IPK looks like Encino Man. (insert pauly shore joke here, buddy)
2007-09-07 17:34:33
28.   Zack
Thank you the Jesus!
2007-09-07 17:36:41
29.   yankz
Hey lady behind home plate: Nobody cares that you're pregnant.
2007-09-07 17:37:57
30.   SF Yanks
Have you seen IPK's gameday pic? He looks like an old time Yankee that I can't quite put my finger on. Gehrig? Joe D?
2007-09-07 17:38:16
31.   yankz


2007-09-07 17:38:27
32.   Mattpat11
2007-09-07 17:38:34
33.   Zack
A-God strikes again!
2007-09-07 17:38:51
34.   yankz
I have to go to the bathroom really badly, but I waited because I knew that would happen.
2007-09-07 17:38:53
35.   Mattpat11
27 No need to associate Yankees with Paulie Shore
2007-09-07 17:40:12
36.   Mattpat11
Next stop, The Splendid Splinter
2007-09-07 17:40:52
37.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Kauffman Stadium is kind of that scoreboard...
2007-09-07 17:41:26
38.   vockins
Dude is bonkers.
2007-09-07 17:42:04
39.   seamus
Jeter is the only batter not to work a full count so far.
2007-09-07 17:42:36
40.   Zack
And Jorge answers A-Rod's MVP argument!
2007-09-07 17:42:43
41.   vockins
Posada is also bonkers.
2007-09-07 17:43:02
42.   seamus
39 ....and Jorje.
2007-09-07 17:43:03
43.   SF Yanks
The two MVP's of the team go yard.
2007-09-07 17:44:23
44.   Mattpat11
36 And the real Big Mac.
2007-09-07 17:46:34
45.   Zack
Its pretty insane watching A-Rod blow past those names. Think he's got 10 more in him this season?
2007-09-07 17:47:37
46.   Zack
Oooh, the CenterStage of Kevin Bacon, I can't wait!
2007-09-07 17:48:23
47.   yankz
45 Oof. I'd say no, but he is A-god...
2007-09-07 17:48:42
48.   Mattpat11
45 Yes. But five of those won't count towards the all time total.
2007-09-07 17:48:56
49.   Zack
Posada is having some receiving issues this year
2007-09-07 17:49:20
50.   rsmith51
Ian doesn't look too hot.
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2007-09-07 17:49:34
51.   yankz
Kennedy's command is way off. Looking like 5 innings.
2007-09-07 17:49:49
52.   Zack
I say A-Rod does it in ONE game, but it won't count because none of them will be deemed "clutch"
2007-09-07 17:52:13
53.   yankz
52 Thinking of that Sportspickle article from yesterday, I say he does it in one swing from the on-deck circle.
2007-09-07 17:53:03
54.   williamnyy23
51 Five innings woudl be incredible at this point. I think Joe has to consider fashioning this game out of the pen. If Kennedy doesn't do a 360 ASAP, I would let him fritter away this game. It's way too important.
2007-09-07 17:56:09
55.   williamnyy23
Hanging 0-2 curve balls are the ultimate bad omen of a poor outing. I would get either Britton or Edwar up right now.
2007-09-07 17:59:00
56.   rsmith51
Moose and Bruney...
2007-09-07 17:59:01
57.   bobtaco
Moose Senior coming in for M. Junior?
2007-09-07 18:02:20
58.   Mattpat11
54 180
2007-09-07 18:04:01
59.   yankz
I can't believe nobody's made jokes about Moose teaming up with the Foul Pole Squirrel.
2007-09-07 18:05:54
60.   williamnyy23
58 Exactly.
2007-09-07 18:07:33
61.   williamnyy23
It's a little bewildering how the Yankees keep bringing up pitchers who have good first outings and then go down hill from there.
2007-09-07 18:10:07
62.   Mattpat11
John Buck has a mullet.
2007-09-07 18:11:04
63.   Mattpat11
59 I bet Moose hates that squirrel.
2007-09-07 18:11:12
64.   williamnyy23
Jeter needs to snap out of this's gone on for over a month now.
2007-09-07 18:14:27
65.   Zack
61 Its not all that bewildering. The first time he will be wholly unfamiliar and therefore have the advantage over the batters. Now, some of the times the second starts have sucked b/c the pitchers themselves weren't that good. The rest its because the pitchers are young. Although Hughes did the opposite..
2007-09-07 18:17:00
66.   williamnyy23
65 I am not sure teams can get a complete scouting report off of one start. Also, you'd think the pitchers would be nervous their first time out.
2007-09-07 18:17:22
67.   Zack
Nice to see the Red Sox continuing their trend of being offended to all heck when someone pitches near them yet continually doing the same back.

How can Cabrera get kicked out of the game and ALL OF THE SOX who charged onto the field and out of the BP get to hang around?

2007-09-07 18:17:37
68.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
The YES guys are talking about how important it is for the young Royals to have Buddy Bell as a leader, then showed he has 512 managerial wins in 9 years...Is that the `winning` leader you want? I really hate tv announcers, they need to read
2007-09-07 18:17:48
69.   yankz
Finally, an easy inning.
2007-09-07 18:17:52
70.   SF Yanks
Nice inning kid.
2007-09-07 18:17:53
71.   Zack
Nice inning kid
2007-09-07 18:17:59
72.   Mattpat11
When Pedroia grows up, that pitch will be rib level.
2007-09-07 18:20:10
73.   yankz
I smell 50
2007-09-07 18:20:26
74.   Zack
Pedroia is clearly learning from Youk about how to overachieve and be really self-righteous...
2007-09-07 18:21:58
75.   yankz
Well, I have an incredible sense of smell.

OK, Friday night time, may I come back to homers 50 through 74.

2007-09-07 18:23:37
76.   williamnyy23
Matsui has also been struggling mightily lately. It might make sense to drop him down until he refinds his stroke.
2007-09-07 18:23:44
77.   monkeypants
55 Calm down...

61 I agree with 65 . Look at it this way: we get all bent out of shape when some unknown young pitcher gets called up from AA and then shuts down the Yankees. Well, maybe this is not a Yankees only phenomenon. Rather, I'm sure fans from other teams grimace when De Salvo or Kennedy or whoever shuts them down in his first start, before the ML scouting catches up.

2007-09-07 18:24:26
78.   SF Yanks
Matti is the coldest/hottest hitter I've ever seen. He's either one extreme or the other, never in between.
2007-09-07 18:25:53
79.   williamnyy23
77 I am not sure...I remember seeing a stat that suggested pitchers usually struggle in their 1st major league start.
2007-09-07 18:26:25
80.   rsmith51
78 You are describing the 2007 Mariners
2007-09-07 18:26:52
81.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
79 Yet his season totals are very consistent..
Meche has been pretty impressive actually...
2007-09-07 18:27:25
82.   Mattpat11
This screams DP.
2007-09-07 18:28:21
83.   williamnyy23
80 I actually think this Royals team is better than the Mariners.
2007-09-07 18:29:15
84.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
94 degrees here and only 10:30am, feeling loopy but doesn`t Giambi look a bit like Benny Hill? And why he is always sweating so much?
2007-09-07 18:29:38
85.   williamnyy23
The Yankees really need to score this inning. They can't simply rely on Arod and Posada to produce every run.
2007-09-07 18:29:50
86.   Mattpat11
Gil Meche is doing something nefarious.

There is no other explanation.

2007-09-07 18:30:13
87.   monkeypants
Speaking of struggling, Giambi missed two cookies in that AB.
2007-09-07 18:30:37
88.   williamnyy23
85 And as I say that Cano returns to his swing at everything approach. It's like the Tampa series all over again.
2007-09-07 18:31:10
89.   monkeypants
86 You mean this game, or for the whole season (considering his 3.85 ERA)?
2007-09-07 18:31:59
90.   monkeypants
88 Dude, you need to relax--life is too short.
2007-09-07 18:33:00
91.   Mattpat11
86 All year.
2007-09-07 18:33:38
92.   williamnyy23
90 Dude...I'm fine...thanks for asking though.
2007-09-07 18:33:56
93.   monkeypants
91 Ha!

If you look closely, there does seem to be a small "666" on the back of his neck.

2007-09-07 18:36:02
94.   monkeypants
92 Wasn't asking, I was suggesting. But it's a free country: keep suggesting that the series is going into the crapper because of Cano's AB in the 4th, and keep calling for the starter to be pulled in the 3rd.
2007-09-07 18:37:36
95.   Zack
That hit is exactly what I expect from Gathright
2007-09-07 18:39:34
96.   williamnyy23
94 Sorry, but I am not looking for any suggestions. I do appreciate the interest in my posts though.
2007-09-07 18:43:11
97.   Zack
Thus far, this game isn't really any different from the Seattle games, where the offense generally seemed asleep until the 6th or 7th innings, lets hope for the same result
2007-09-07 18:46:32
98.   williamnyy23
97 The Royals bullpen is pitching a lot better now, I think, but hopefully you are right. I'd prefer that the Yankees wouldn't wait until the last minute though, especially because it seems they don't squeak these games out on the road.
2007-09-07 18:47:01
99.   monkeypants
96 There are also some good deep breathing techniques to relieve stress.
2007-09-07 18:47:45
100.   rsmith51
Ross Gload- Yankee killer.

You would think that the Red Sox would pick him up.

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2007-09-07 18:48:08
101.   randym77
Oakland claimed Kevin Thompson off waivers.
2007-09-07 18:49:26
102.   williamnyy23
I thought Damon was going to catch that...this is going to be a very important next two hitters.
2007-09-07 18:51:03
103.   williamnyy23
Have to wonder why Bruney is up...he is probably at the bottom of th bullpen pecking order.
2007-09-07 18:53:12
104.   SF Yanks
Does he go for the 6th if he gets out of this inning without giving up any runs and around 85 pitches?
2007-09-07 18:54:29
105.   SF Yanks
He's not looking to sharp and seems like he's gotten an awful lot of flyballs. Might be smart to pull him, but then again, I really don't know.
2007-09-07 18:54:31
106.   monkeypants
Flaherty is talking about just getting Kennedy through five innings, but if he escapes here with, say, 85 pitches, would you start him in the 6th? I might--he seems to have settled down a good bit.
2007-09-07 18:55:27
107.   SF Yanks
Got to get him here!! Bear down.
2007-09-07 18:56:13
108.   monkeypants
104 Beat me to it 106 . He dickered around with the last batter and his pitch count went up to around 90--I suspect that he's done.
2007-09-07 18:56:17
109.   SF Yanks
106 read 104 lol.
2007-09-07 18:56:51
110.   rsmith51
106 Probably pat him on the back and go to the bullpen. Eats up the pen, but oh well.
2007-09-07 18:57:02
111.   williamnyy23
51 You got your five innings. That's a very impressive accomplishment for Kennedy. As Flaherty mentioned, he seemed to make an adjustment during that second inning. That ability might be what separates him for the Clippards and DeSalvos.

Now, with Arod due up, it would be a good idea to get some runs.

2007-09-07 18:57:20
112.   SF Yanks
108 Gameday says 87. Must be off I guess. Did they say he's at 90?
2007-09-07 18:57:42
113.   rsmith51
Crap, I really want the Mariners to win the series.
2007-09-07 18:58:28
114.   rsmith51
Time for Bobby to get a double.
2007-09-07 18:58:56
115.   rsmith51
How many pitches does Meche have?
2007-09-07 18:58:58
116.   monkeypants
110 I guess with the off day and two blow outs, the real BP should be pretty rested. Is this a Joba-for-two day?
2007-09-07 18:59:31
117.   williamnyy23
113 I think the Mariners are close to done. I was hoping they'd take 2 or 3 too.
2007-09-07 19:00:07
118.   monkeypants
112 I was just guestimating. 111 Good call.
2007-09-07 19:01:15
119.   williamnyy23
115 Only 80...when a starter has such a low total in the 6th inning, you know the Yankees approach has been a little off.
2007-09-07 19:01:40
120.   rsmith51
I don't really like using Villone. I would probably go with Britton or Ramirez or maybe even Bruney.
2007-09-07 19:02:33
121.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
2007-09-07 19:02:36
122.   williamnyy23
Matsui is a secret weapon! He meant to do that.
2007-09-07 19:03:42
123.   monkeypants
Singleton said something about 'saving Villone' for some or other matchup. I can't even fathom...
2007-09-07 19:04:15
124.   williamnyy23
Ugh! I didn't even think for a second that Jorge wouldn't come through there.
2007-09-07 19:04:16
125.   SF Yanks
Damn, Gil can't be that good. Score some runs fellers. Is it just me or does this team on the same damn page in terms of hitting? That's not a rhetorical question. They are either all on or all off it seems. I wonder if we can figure that out at somehow.
2007-09-07 19:06:20
126.   williamnyy23
I didn't realize how putrid Giambi has been the last two weeks.
2007-09-07 19:06:24
127.   SF Yanks
125 Ugh! I worded that funky. My bad.
2007-09-07 19:06:45
128.   rsmith51
At least their getting some pitches out of his arm.
2007-09-07 19:07:17
129.   rsmith51
C'mon Robbie. Hit the ball HARD!!!!!!!
2007-09-07 19:07:51
130.   monkeypants
Okey-dokey. Come on Robbie...
2007-09-07 19:07:55
131.   williamnyy23
128 I don't know. Gobble, Riske, Peralta and Soria has been a nice bullpen. I think the Yankees best chance is to get to Meche.
2007-09-07 19:09:29
132.   Shaun P
Anyone else using Gameday and wondering how the first two pitches to Cano - nowhere near the plate - are called strikes? Is Gameday just really off, or is it that bad on TV too?
2007-09-07 19:10:08
133.   williamnyy23
132 They were both balls, especially the 2nd one.
2007-09-07 19:10:24
134.   rsmith51
132 Both seemed just off the plate to me.
2007-09-07 19:12:14
135.   rsmith51
Weird K zone today. Not calling the low strike, but off the outside corner is a strike.
2007-09-07 19:12:32
136.   Shaun P
I can't believe I'm typing this, but Chipper Jones was right - the umpiring this year has been ridiculously awful. The guy who took over for Alderson as ump watcher for MLB - former Sox GM Mike Port - ought to have been fired by now. He's doing a piss-poor job, and the umps are doing worse.
2007-09-07 19:14:21
137.   rsmith51
Where did that pitch come up on Gameday? That was ball 4.
2007-09-07 19:14:28
138.   Shaun P
What a crock. Gameday had strike 3 as way inside.
2007-09-07 19:14:31
139.   williamnyy23
Wow...that's an umpire deciding a game. Great AB by Robbie. It's tough to convince him to be more patient with calls like that.
2007-09-07 19:14:33
140.   Mattpat11
This umpire is just picking and choosing what he wants to call tonight. He might as well just flip a coin after every pitch.
2007-09-07 19:14:47
141.   SF Yanks
2007-09-07 19:15:16
142.   williamnyy23
They were robbed, but not scoring in that inning really hurts, especially with Mussina/Villone warming in the pen.
2007-09-07 19:15:34
143.   rsmith51
So strikes 1,2, and 3 were all balls. What's the deal?
2007-09-07 19:16:04
144.   SF Yanks
Farnsworth is comin in???????!!!!!!!!
2007-09-07 19:16:11
145.   Alex Belth
That'a a kick in the balls, a call like that, after a great at bat by Robbie...
2007-09-07 19:16:37
146.   Alex Belth
2007-09-07 19:16:44
147.   Max
That last AB was a steaming pile of...something. Cano's controlling the entire at bat and has Meche on the ropes, and the ump just decides he's tired of how long it's taking, and calls one of the crappiest pitches in the whole sequence a strike. Unbelievable.
2007-09-07 19:16:45
148.   monkeypants
139 Yep. His new found patience earned him three called strikes off the plate. 140 Moreover, his K zone for Kennedy in the first was atrocious--that may have cost him an inning.
2007-09-07 19:16:48
149.   williamnyy23
144 Even worse...I don't get it.
2007-09-07 19:17:05
150.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
awful call..and now Farnsworth....the clouds are gathering...
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2007-09-07 19:17:54
151.   rsmith51
I didn't see this coming(Farns).

Sounds about right, Alex.

Time to replace the umps with computers to call balls and strikes, IMHO.

2007-09-07 19:18:09
152.   monkeypants
146 Ah yes--this is the point where you have to risk losing with your crappy pitchers rather than go to, say, Chamberlain for two innings.
2007-09-07 19:18:35
153.   SF Yanks
149 That's the reason for all my question marks.
2007-09-07 19:21:18
154.   SF Yanks
151 I'm all for computers calling balls and strikes, but umps are needed for everything else. I know that human error is part of the game, but I'd be ok with mistakes on runners, enough with the mistakes behind the plate.
2007-09-07 19:21:22
155.   Shaun P
151 I agree completely on replacing the umps. Screw the "human element" behind the plate - they're awful.
2007-09-07 19:21:51
156.   williamnyy23
Farnsworth to the Banter: F#$% You.
2007-09-07 19:21:56
157.   rsmith51
Good Farns!

Joba for 2 and Mo for 1.

2007-09-07 19:22:07
158.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
wow..impressive. been said a million times but why can`t he always pitch like that??
2007-09-07 19:22:22
159.   Shaun P
Hot damn - Kyle is ON!

At least he's out now. Joba for the 7th/8th, especially if the Yanks take the lead?

2007-09-07 19:23:23
160.   williamnyy23
157 I agree...don't wait for the run to have to manage like the Yankees will score 1 run over the last three.
2007-09-07 19:23:27
161.   rsmith51
155 The only "human element" should be the ones playing the game.
2007-09-07 19:23:50
162.   RIYank
Wow, Rob was robbed. As I see you've all said already.

How about the Farns though, huh?

2007-09-07 19:24:40
163.   monkeypants
154 155 Intriguing, but how precisely would the computers determine the K-zone vertically, which changes based on each batter (depending on his physical height AND what his zone is when he swings)?
2007-09-07 19:24:40
164.   RIYank
159 Joba for two in any case, whether we take the lead or not. This is very high leverage! Unless we score six.
2007-09-07 19:25:08
165.   RIYank
163 That's easy. A chip in the uniform.
2007-09-07 19:25:24
166.   monkeypants
164 I have good feelings about this inning...
2007-09-07 19:26:39
167.   RIYank
166 I bet they're ebbing.
2007-09-07 19:26:48
168.   williamnyy23
Add Melky to the list of Yankees who have really struggled for the last 2-4 weeks. It is a very long list that kind of worries you.
2007-09-07 19:26:58
169.   rsmith51
163 I think that could be determined in spring training and entered into the computer. How do umpires now determine it?
2007-09-07 19:28:03
170.   monkeypants
165 Wouldn't work. The k-zone is defined as an area assuming the batter is swinging normally. If the batter stays in his batting crouch, then the chip would define an artificially small zone for the batter. In fact, it would encourage batters to assume Rickey Henderson type crouches to fool the chip.

166 My good feelings may have been ill conceived.

2007-09-07 19:28:25
171.   rsmith51
Nice Jeter. Now Bobby's turn.
2007-09-07 19:29:03
172.   monkeypants
169 Right--a chip wouldn't work, but a massive database might.
2007-09-07 19:29:27
173.   SF Yanks
163 By plugging in the height of each batter before hand, so when you type the name of the player, the system automatically adjusts the zone. The differentials for anything else but the height of the player is probably too small to make any additional adjustments for. I don't know if any of this could work of course.
2007-09-07 19:29:52
174.   RIYank
Sweet Bobby!!!
2007-09-07 19:30:06
175.   Mattpat11
2007-09-07 19:30:10
176.   williamnyy23
HUGE HIT....huge.
2007-09-07 19:30:23
177.   rsmith51
There's the double I was looking for last time.
2007-09-07 19:30:49
178.   RIYank
170 Hm, that's true. You could have an ump who could overrule the computer on the grounds that the batter was crouching, maybe?

Also, I have to learn to trust your good feelings.

2007-09-07 19:30:58
179.   Mattpat11
163 When Dustin Pedroia comes up, you'd plug in the coordinates of a small dog, for instance.
2007-09-07 19:31:34
180.   monkeypants
173 I actually would call for a more radical solution: go the route of cricket and make the k-zone a fixed area, and thus stop defining it in relation to individual batters.
2007-09-07 19:31:47
181.   rsmith51
173 Of course it could work. They are already part way there with questec. The technology is there.
2007-09-07 19:32:39
182.   monkeypants
178 "Also, I have to learn to trust your good feelings. "

So do I! ; )

2007-09-07 19:32:43
183.   Mattpat11
Ball one has been called a strike several times tonight
2007-09-07 19:32:53
184.   RIYank
Hm, now I think 169 rsmith has the right idea. Have each player do a performance for the camera. You couldn't have them all do it in spring training, because of late call-ups, but there must be some way to get the data in.
2007-09-07 19:32:54
185.   rsmith51
The other teams should use their closer in the 7th against the Yanks. That is the inning that they explode.
2007-09-07 19:33:34
186.   williamnyy23
168 Check out the following OPS splits for 7/14/28 days. It really makes you wonder how the Yankees have won as many games as they have, especially with the pitching issues.

Melky: .500/.622/.641
Cano: .652/.794/.720
Jeter: .569/.731/.717
Matsui: .273/.626/.770
Giambi: .354/.503/.786
Damon: .289/.628/.736

2007-09-07 19:33:57
187.   RIYank
Giambi's ball-repellent works even with reallllly crappy umps.
2007-09-07 19:36:08
188.   SF Yanks
180 But then the small guys probably would lose out, but really I wouldn't care. That's funny you mention that because every time I picture a K-zone in my mind or on tv, it is the same size and I never adjust for the batter's size. That's probably not a bad idea and if I saw a few studies of the effects of a fixed zone, I'd be willing to go that route.
2007-09-07 19:36:08
189.   rsmith51
There is a discussion of automating the strike zone on baseballthinkfactory

2007-09-07 19:36:48
190.   monkeypants
185 Classic example of contemporary baseball, no? Work the starter out of the game in the 5th or 6th, then feast of of the middle relief while the opposing "set up man" and "closer" sit watching in the BP.
2007-09-07 19:37:05
191.   RIYank
Hmmm. It doesn't seem fair, somehow. Although the Yankees are pretty damn big, so maybe I'll vote for the new Fixed Strike Zone.
2007-09-07 19:37:39
192.   rsmith51
188 I can't imagine that it would be that different. I guess the difference between Eckstein's and Sexson's K zone would be the range. Perhaps the average of those two.
2007-09-07 19:37:46
193.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, Team!

How are we doing?

2007-09-07 19:38:03
194.   williamnyy23
186 I guess here's part of the answer:

Arod: 1.617/1.246/1.268
Posada: 1.544/.996/.963
Abreu: 1.131/.892/.951

Arod's numbers this past month define MVP.

2007-09-07 19:38:21
195.   RIYank
You could have the computer call them inside and outside, come to think of it. Let the human ump call them high and low.
2007-09-07 19:38:21
196.   monkeypants
188 Yeah, there would be winners and losers, but it would be more 'standardized' in another way. I guess it's just two different approaches to 'fair' (same zone for everyone v. shape the zone for everyone).
2007-09-07 19:38:39
197.   RIYank
Oh, DAMN. That was close.
2007-09-07 19:38:45
198.   williamnyy23
2007-09-07 19:38:56
199.   weeping for brunnhilde

Damn it!

Jorgie fucking hit that one.


2007-09-07 19:39:00
200.   rsmith51
Crap! Nice play DeJesus!
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2007-09-07 19:39:53
201.   Shaun P
170 178 181 (and any others I missed, sorry)

It can definitely be done. Three cameras, a computer, and an application to deal with the data. One camera is overhead (which already exists!). Then you put one on each side of the plate - obviously back from the batter's box - with a wide enough lens and high enough resolution so that software could define the strike zone properly for each pitch. That way, even if the batter changes his crouch or stance, the strike zone is still appropriate.

The live feed of the two cameras is fed to a computer running a software application that determines if the pitch is a ball or a strike. If the overhead camera shows it didn't cross the plate, ball. If the side camera shows it was out of the zone, ball. If its over the plate and in the zone, strike. You also code the software to properly note swinging strikes (including failed bunts) and check swings. On appeal of a checked swing, simply check a reply of each camera's feed. (And adjust the rules if someone tries to take advantage of that.)

I've been thinking about this for a few years. I'm almost convinced it could be done.

2007-09-07 19:40:10
202.   monkeypants
191 Cricket really is an interesting conceptual comparison. Instead of a zone, the batters defend the wicket (basically a pile of sticks). No matter how big the batter is, his job is to keep the ball from striking the same pile of sticks.
2007-09-07 19:40:23
203.   rsmith51
Maybe a floating K zone. The zone is the same size, but it starts at the batters knees.
2007-09-07 19:41:40
204.   weeping for brunnhilde
That's Joba's dad.

How nice.

2007-09-07 19:41:41
205.   Shaun P
Just me, but Joba is a K machine, why take Giambi out NOW for a LIDR when he's due to lead off the next inning?
2007-09-07 19:41:44
206.   williamnyy23
I hope Joba isn't too amped up to pitch in front of his dad.
2007-09-07 19:41:57
207.   monkeypants
203 Intriguing. That should work.
2007-09-07 19:42:18
208.   williamnyy23
205 See 186
2007-09-07 19:42:50
209.   weeping for brunnhilde
Who started today?
2007-09-07 19:43:09
210.   monkeypants
203 Or even a floating zone based on the physical characteristics of the batter (say, the distance between the knee and numbers, measured at the start of every year), regardless of the batter's swing.
2007-09-07 19:43:34
211.   weeping for brunnhilde
That Gathwright is one fast motherfucker.
2007-09-07 19:43:46
212.   RIYank
Whoa. Jeter gives critics the finger. That was pretty damn good range.
2007-09-07 19:43:46
213.   rsmith51
205 I'm with you.

201 Sounds perfect. Bud should hire you.

2007-09-07 19:44:13
214.   williamnyy23
All of the automated systems are interesting, but in the meantime, I'd settle for better umpires :)
2007-09-07 19:44:13
215.   monkeypants
That second pitch was close to Gathwright--Joba should be suspended.
2007-09-07 19:44:26
216.   RIYank
209 Kennedy.
2007-09-07 19:44:50
217.   monkeypants
214 Amen.
2007-09-07 19:44:54
218.   rsmith51
210 Considering the K zone now is pretty arbitrary. Any of these ideas would be a vast improvement.
2007-09-07 19:45:22
219.   RIYank
215 That reminds me. I heard Schilling on the radio this morning, and he strongly intimated, without actually saying it, that there would be 'retaliation' when the Yankees come to Fenway.
2007-09-07 19:45:26
220.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ooooooooh, he hit it the other way against Joba.

I'm scared now!

2007-09-07 19:45:27
221.   williamnyy23
212 That's Jeter's play. Even though he gets more pub for the jump throw, the slow grounder in front of him is his specialty.
2007-09-07 19:45:57
222.   rsmith51
Let's see if Gload can hit Joba.
2007-09-07 19:46:08
223.   williamnyy23
Don't forget about that slider Jorge.
2007-09-07 19:46:36
224.   weeping for brunnhilde
219 Curt Schilling can kiss my ass.
2007-09-07 19:46:50
225.   RIYank
Yeah, we need sliders here.
2007-09-07 19:47:41
226.   williamnyy23
225 And off the plate too.
2007-09-07 19:47:44
227.   weeping for brunnhilde
221 All the more argument for he and Alex to switch positions.
2007-09-07 19:47:58
228.   RIYank
That foul was a slider, right?
2007-09-07 19:48:17
229.   rsmith51
Was that a hanging slider?
2007-09-07 19:48:18
230.   monkeypants
219 So, if I am correct, it should play out this way: everyone and his brother (players, coaches on both teams, media) talk about retaliation, then Jeter or A-Rod gets creamed in the back or hand, then a Yankees pitcher loses his grip on a knuckleball or changeup and hits the lead-off batter in the ninth inning of a tie game. Then the Yankees pitcher is ejected and suspended.

Do I understand this properly?

2007-09-07 19:48:24
231.   williamnyy23
227 I wonder about Jeter's arm at 3B.
2007-09-07 19:48:48
232.   RIYank
Oh, hold on, now I get it: this is the "cheese" part that Alex was talking about!

Ah, got him on the slider! Good thing Jorgie's listening to Banter.

2007-09-07 19:48:52
233.   Mattpat11
Someone got Gload out.
2007-09-07 19:48:57
234.   weeping for brunnhilde


Fucking A, man.

2007-09-07 19:49:07
235.   williamnyy23
228 229 was one of his worst since he came up.
2007-09-07 19:49:28
236.   weeping for brunnhilde
That was a fucking Randy Johnson slider.

Good God.

2007-09-07 19:49:42
237.   williamnyy23
Butler is a good hitter...this should be fun.
2007-09-07 19:49:46
238.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
219 God I really can`t stand Schilling..almost irrational hatred of that guy. Just a blowhard, wanna-be soldier who even his own teammates don`t like
2007-09-07 19:50:22
239.   weeping for brunnhilde
231 Good point.
2007-09-07 19:50:26
240.   williamnyy23
238 I don't know...anyone who is so hated by the Boston media can't be all bad.
2007-09-07 19:50:42
241.   Mattpat11
235 He threw a really lousy slider to walk Youk in that series.

It says something when we remember his bad pitches

2007-09-07 19:51:16
242.   weeping for brunnhilde
Very nice stop by Jorgie, there.
2007-09-07 19:51:53
243.   rsmith51
If I am a batter, I am leaving my bat on my shoulder.
2007-09-07 19:52:11
244.   monkeypants
238 I could care less about Schilling--I just ignore what all players say. I watch MLB for what the players do on the field, not for their philosophical or political musings.
2007-09-07 19:52:20
245.   RIYank
2007-09-07 19:52:48
246.   Mattpat11
That was a lot worse than I thought it would be
2007-09-07 19:52:56
247.   williamnyy23 the bat that looked scary, especially after Joba dropped his head. I had a feeling Butler would be a tough AB.
2007-09-07 19:53:08
248.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ohhhhhhhhh, Johnny!!!!!!!!1


Saved Joba's bacon.

That must be the hardest hit ball off him yet.

2007-09-07 19:53:32
249.   monkeypants
Someday Joba will give up a run, give up the lead. But not that inning!
2007-09-07 19:53:56
250.   RIYank
I also hated Schilling a lot more before the Boston media decided he was public enemy #1. I still don't like the guy, but I'll listen to him now.
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2007-09-07 19:54:11
251.   weeping for brunnhilde
That was just a low fastball, right?

It actually didn't look like a bad pitch, the guy just went down and golfed it.

2007-09-07 19:54:36
252.   weeping for brunnhilde
249 Maybe someday.
2007-09-07 19:54:38
253.   monkeypants
248 ?

Johnny caught a ball on the warning track. That wasn't Willie Mays or anything.

2007-09-07 19:56:00
254.   RIYank
249 I know, it's unlikely that he will finish his career without giving up a run. (Maybe he can do it without an earned run.) It's going to be such a disappointment when it happens, though. Maybe Joe really should toss him into a six run lead.
2007-09-07 19:56:08
255.   monkeypants
Minky is in the house!
2007-09-07 19:56:22
256.   williamnyy23
251 Butler is a very good low fastball hitter, which is a little rare for a right handed hitter.
2007-09-07 19:56:24
257.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, look, it's our old pal, Doug Mientkiewicz.
2007-09-07 19:56:51
258.   williamnyy23
My AB and I am already tired of seeing of DM.
2007-09-07 19:57:21
259.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
244 Even his baseball manner is annoying though, way too `holier than thou`

Usually refrain from the Torre-bashing, but why bring in Minkqwertzixks when he`s due to lead off?? automatic out..

2007-09-07 19:57:24
260.   monkeypants
That's what Minky brings to the table...
2007-09-07 19:57:24
261.   weeping for brunnhilde
253 It was hit hard, I don't think there was much margin of error.

He had to get a good jump.

2007-09-07 19:57:31
262.   RIYank
251 The Butler Blast, yeah, that was definitely a low fastball.
2007-09-07 19:57:44
263.   williamnyy23
That's why we run Robbie! Come on now.
2007-09-07 19:58:47
264.   RIYank
So Melky is the only mortal Yankee with more than one hit.
2007-09-07 19:59:16
265.   monkeypants
259 Is it really, or are you projecting your dislike for him on his behavior? does he grimace more than Clemens or Mussina, or complain more than Abreu, or act more "toough guy" than Shelley Duncan. Whatever--he's a power pitcher whose career can be described as Clemens-lite. I think he plays the part.
2007-09-07 19:59:51
266.   weeping for brunnhilde
How's Derek swinging the bat tonight?
2007-09-07 19:59:59
267.   SF Yanks
254 Yeah and when it does everyone will say things like, "Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. They can't all be great" and "I guess he isn't who we all thought he was."

It will be a sad day though.

2007-09-07 20:00:02
268.   Shaun P
258 That's why I would have rather had Giambi up. Even at his worst, Giambi is 100x the hitter Minky ever was.
2007-09-07 20:00:10
269.   williamnyy23
Time for a big hit Jeter.
2007-09-07 20:00:33
270.   RIYank
266 Not well, but his last AB was good.
2007-09-07 20:00:44
271.   monkeypants
Come on Jeter, a time for a little breathing room!
2007-09-07 20:01:31
272.   williamnyy23
268 At least Betemit if you are really worried about defense.
2007-09-07 20:01:43
273.   weeping for brunnhilde
So Kennedy had a nice start, it looks like?
2007-09-07 20:02:13
274.   RIYank
Grr. If {(Robbie had beat out that mishandled grounder) or (Giambi had been allowed to use his ball repellent for another walk)} then we'd have a rally going.
2007-09-07 20:02:38
275.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
265 Of course, I am definitely guilty as charged there. But I really dislike Clemens too, he`s a greedy phony who I am sure did steroids. Also turned off when I read he has 14 TVs in his house with not a book to be found..but then I`m a snob...

Anyways, if Boston retaliates for Jobs`s "headhunting", I hope we bring in Farnsworth to nail one of their guys..

2007-09-07 20:03:07
276.   RIYank
273 Well, uh. Not exactly. First inning, he walked three guys but pitched out of it. Second inning, he gave up four hits including a double. Then he had two excellent innings, and then he pitched out of a jam again in the fifth.
2007-09-07 20:03:30
277.   SF Yanks
273 Not as good as his line looks. He was a bit erratic.
2007-09-07 20:03:31
278.   monkeypants
272 Classic Torre. Once they got the lead he went into "defense mode" regardless of the batting order and the pitcher (as someone noted, 1B defense is not much of an issue with Joba).
2007-09-07 20:04:32
279.   weeping for brunnhilde
Come on, Derek, two!

Nice and easy, up the gut!

2007-09-07 20:04:32
280.   Shaun P
BTW Alex - thank you for getting the best newspaper-employed baseball sportswriter in the US to give us a little Royals preview. Cliff's away, so instead, we get Joe Posnanski. Damn. You spoil us, man - but we are very grateful.

And thank you too Mr. Posnanski - please get back to blogging soon!

2007-09-07 20:04:34
281.   williamnyy23
275 You can dislike Clemens all you want (for disclosure I love him), but saying you are sure he did steroids with absolutely no proof is a little irresponsible.
2007-09-07 20:04:38
282.   monkeypants
273 His first inning was not as bad as the three walks suggest--there were some b-a-d calls that inning. He did get cufffed around pretty hard in the second inning, though.
2007-09-07 20:05:53
283.   weeping for brunnhilde
276 277 Sounds kind of like Andy, whom we all know is a golden god.


2007-09-07 20:06:52
284.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
281 No "proof" that McGwire did steroids..would you doubt that? Clemens gets a free pass from the media on the steroid issue, no investigative reporting like with Bonds, etc.
2007-09-07 20:07:22
285.   weeping for brunnhilde
276 277 You gotta admit, there's a dramatic kind of appeal to the escape artist routine.

Duque was like that, too.

2007-09-07 20:07:29
286.   williamnyy23
I really wish he was able to get out of the way of those pitches.
2007-09-07 20:07:33
287.   monkeypants
Jeter gets hit on the hand--suspend Joba!
2007-09-07 20:07:54
288.   RIYank
Do you think Posnanski is pleased that Mientkiewicz and Grudzielanik are both playing now?
2007-09-07 20:07:55
289.   SF Yanks
Fer cryin out fuckin loud man!! I'm sick of Jete, ARod and the rest gettin nailed.
2007-09-07 20:08:38
290.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ohhhhhhhhhhh, fuck!
2007-09-07 20:08:38
291.   williamnyy23
284 There is a ton of circumstantial evidence implicating Big Mac. There isn't one credible accusation against Clemens.
2007-09-07 20:09:15
292.   weeping for brunnhilde
287 :)
2007-09-07 20:09:26
293.   RIYank
Wow, inches from a 3-run double down the line.
2007-09-07 20:10:37
294.   williamnyy23
293 For the second straight inning!!
2007-09-07 20:10:56
295.   weeping for brunnhilde
293 Inches.
2007-09-07 20:11:50
296.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
How many times does Jeter have to get hit before someone retaliates??
291 Certain players in all sports get free rides. MJ, Brett Farve, Clemens, Ripken...not to say any are `guilty` of anything, but certainly media has held back on a lot of things. Easier to save their outrage for Bonds I suppose. (Think Rick Reiley)
2007-09-07 20:12:04
297.   weeping for brunnhilde
It's all full.
2007-09-07 20:12:31
298.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hang in there, Bobby!
2007-09-07 20:12:56
299.   RIYank
Man. Three straight innings we leave the bases loaded!!!
2007-09-07 20:13:11
300.   weeping for brunnhilde

Damn it.

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2007-09-07 20:13:41
301.   williamnyy23
Ouch...that was ball four...although with this ump, not sure you can take it. I really hope all the wasted opportunities over the last three innings doesn't come back to haunt them.
2007-09-07 20:13:56
302.   Mattpat11
This might be a textbook example of winning in spite of yourself if Joba and Mo can hang on.
2007-09-07 20:15:38
303.   williamnyy23
This inning worries me a little...three nice lefties coming up.
2007-09-07 20:17:38
304.   RIYank
Okay, Joba, don't get all sentimental here. Just blow Gordon away!
2007-09-07 20:18:11
305.   williamnyy23
304 Nebraska must be proud.
2007-09-07 20:19:04
306.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice hitting.
2007-09-07 20:19:24
307.   RIYank
Crap! Dammit. Good pitching, but Gordon did the job. But okay, Joba can blow Smith away, and Mo can take care of anyone on this team.
2007-09-07 20:19:30
308.   williamnyy23
Come on more out.
2007-09-07 20:19:32
309.   weeping for brunnhilde
Good hands.

Quick bat.

2007-09-07 20:20:12
310.   williamnyy23
He doesn't seem to have a consistent slider today.
2007-09-07 20:20:32
311.   Shaun P
307 Especially since "anyone" is Buck, Gathwright, and Grudz.

C'mon Joba, where's the K? Can't get out of an inning without a K dude!

2007-09-07 20:20:40
312.   Mattpat11
Magic strikezone is back.
2007-09-07 20:21:00
313.   RIYank
310 Those were both fastballs, I believe.
2007-09-07 20:21:16
314.   Mattpat11
When did Stinky come in?
2007-09-07 20:21:37
315.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Have to leave and miss the end of the game...drat...thanks for all the banter everyone, really enjoy it while watching the game. Let`s GO YAN-kees!
PS- Ken Singleton much easier to listen to than M.Kay..always read a lot of criticism of him but good job tonight.
2007-09-07 20:21:39
316.   weeping for brunnhilde
He's getting distracted...
2007-09-07 20:21:58
317.   williamnyy23
313 They were...but my point was usually he throws more sliders, but tonight he seems to be shying away from it.
2007-09-07 20:21:59
318.   weeping for brunnhilde
Pop up.


2007-09-07 20:22:06
319.   Mattpat11
If Gordon had been fooled by that pickoff move...
2007-09-07 20:22:14
320.   monkeypants
That's what Minky brings to the table...
2007-09-07 20:22:22
321.   RIYank

Minky does the job!

314 He came in last inning. Then he led off. Inexplicable why Joe stuck him in at that moment.

2007-09-07 20:22:44
322.   Mattpat11
315 I've honestly never heard a bad word about Ken in the booth.
2007-09-07 20:23:19
323.   weeping for brunnhilde
317 Agreed.

Didn't he have a slider issue the last outing, as well, or am I confusing him with another pitcher?

2007-09-07 20:23:49
324.   Mattpat11
321 I missed the first AB of last inning. I assume I can guess the outcome?
2007-09-07 20:24:02
325.   RIYank
317 Ah. Yeah, I think you're exactly right.
2007-09-07 20:24:25
326.   weeping for brunnhilde
How many innings is Joba up to, by now?

Somewhere around 17?

2007-09-07 20:24:34
327.   williamnyy23
323 This is the first time I remember his slider not being much of a weapon, although he did get Gload on it.
2007-09-07 20:24:37
328.   RIYank
324 With great confidence and no fear of contradiction.
2007-09-07 20:24:56
329.   Mattpat11
326 14.1
2007-09-07 20:25:24
330.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Alex, how did you miss that pitch!
2007-09-07 20:25:33
331.   Mattpat11
I want 50.
2007-09-07 20:25:48
332.   Mattpat11
Okay. Always tomorrow.
2007-09-07 20:26:01
333.   williamnyy23
Man, I'd really like another run.
2007-09-07 20:26:02
334.   weeping for brunnhilde
329 Cheers.
2007-09-07 20:27:14
335.   williamnyy23
2007-09-07 20:27:34
336.   Mike T
I just got near a computer, and noticed that Doug whatever his name is got subbed for Giambi in a one run game on the road. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind that.
2007-09-07 20:27:47
337.   weeping for brunnhilde
327 He did, but it was flailing out of the zone. Often he throws it over the the plate and gets 'em looking.
2007-09-07 20:27:56
338.   monkeypants
327 I wonder if the scouting is slowly catching up. On the one hand, all the scouting in the world can't overcome 100mph heaters and 85 mph sliders. On the other hand, he does only feature two pitches so far, and maybe hitters are catching on to the pattern.
2007-09-07 20:28:44
339.   williamnyy23
Torre needs to drop Matsui in the lineup (or even rest him one game against the lefty). He isn't even having good swings now.
2007-09-07 20:29:00
340.   weeping for brunnhilde
Have we been hitting fly balls like this all game?
2007-09-07 20:29:44
341.   Shaun P
338 Can't wait to see him starting next year and throwing all four pitches (curve and change IIRC) for strikes. Damn.

336 Torre = Mr. Formula.

2007-09-07 20:29:45
342.   williamnyy23
328 I think what they are doing, based on scouting, is swinging very early in the count in an attempt to avoid seeing the slider on 0-2.
2007-09-07 20:30:02
343.   Mattpat11
Matsui needs a break.
2007-09-07 20:30:11
344.   weeping for brunnhilde
339 He's been cold for a little while now, eh?
2007-09-07 20:30:14
345.   RIYank
338 I know, if a guy can throw 100mph then he's unhittable. We can all testify to that.
2007-09-07 20:30:16
346.   monkeypants
339 Yep. Maybe an excuse to DH Duncan for a game or two.
2007-09-07 20:30:51
347.   Mattpat11
Here we go
2007-09-07 20:31:00
348.   RIYank
340 Lots and lots of flies, yes. A couple of them left the building early, but most were harmless.
2007-09-07 20:31:36
349.   williamnyy23
344 See 186 . Unfortunately, he is not alone.

Come on Mo...let's make this easy.

2007-09-07 20:31:44
350.   RIYank
How many of us are pretending to be just a little more confident than we feel right now?
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2007-09-07 20:32:07
351.   weeping for brunnhilde
342 Makes sense. Either you put the fastball in play or you swing through it. Either way, it's better than waiting around to be buried by the slider.
2007-09-07 20:32:09
352.   Mattpat11
Mike Sweeney wears the C?
2007-09-07 20:32:26
353.   Mattpat11
350 raises hand
2007-09-07 20:32:31
354.   Mike T
Is Chamberlain in line for the win?
2007-09-07 20:32:45
355.   williamnyy23
350 I am not pretending...the tenor of this game has me more than a little nervous.
2007-09-07 20:32:55
356.   weeping for brunnhilde

One pitch, one out!


2007-09-07 20:32:56
357.   monkeypants
352 Well, he is a practicing Catholic.
2007-09-07 20:32:58
358.   RIYank
Now I feel truly confident.
2007-09-07 20:33:25
359.   weeping for brunnhilde
Strike one, buddy.
2007-09-07 20:33:28
360.   monkeypants
354 Farnswhacker for the W, no?
2007-09-07 20:33:37
361.   Mattpat11
354 Cooter.
2007-09-07 20:33:57
362.   weeping for brunnhilde

Three pitches, two outs.


2007-09-07 20:34:15
363.   dianagramr
Twins and ChiSox went into 9th tied at 4. Twins put up a 6-spot. ChiSox decided to do the same in the bottom of the 9th ....

unreal ..... they're going to the 10th tied at 10.

2007-09-07 20:34:29
364.   weeping for brunnhilde
Strike one, Jack.
2007-09-07 20:34:45
365.   RIYank
360 Bingo.
2007-09-07 20:34:51
366.   weeping for brunnhilde
That would be strike two!
2007-09-07 20:35:23
367.   weeping for brunnhilde

Jussssssssst missed.

2007-09-07 20:35:36
368.   RIYank
Goddam Mo.
That was a good win, boys.
2007-09-07 20:35:37
369.   Mattpat11
363 A little too late for those teams to finally be putting in this effort.
2007-09-07 20:35:52
370.   williamnyy23
Dominant Mo!

Very big win...very big.

2007-09-07 20:36:09
371.   weeping for brunnhilde

And there's your ballgame.

Dear, sweet Mo.

My hero.

2007-09-07 20:36:17
372.   williamnyy23
363 Wish they would have scored a few more runs against the Tigers.
2007-09-07 20:36:21
373.   SF Yanks
Too easy. Niiiice!!!
2007-09-07 20:36:23
374.   Mike T
Seven pitches. I believe the proper adjective would be "filthy".
2007-09-07 20:36:27
375.   Mattpat11
Well, we managed to win a game that had one of those feelings all game long, so that's a good sign.
2007-09-07 20:37:19
376.   Shaun P
What a win. Let's see another tomorrow, hmm?
2007-09-07 20:37:22
377.   williamnyy23
It's a nice night when Joba is the weakest link in the bullpen.
2007-09-07 20:42:00
378.   williamnyy23
I joked about it earlier, but I really do think this Royals team is better than the Mariners. Meche, Banister and Greinke is a pretty nice top-3...maybe things are turning around for KC. If Hochevar can turn it around, they may have a nice rotation over the next few seasons.
2007-09-07 20:43:54
379.   rsmith51
375 Yeah, we lose this game in the first half of the season.
2007-09-07 20:44:38
380.   JeremyM
Well, I'm joining the flock of Nebraskans heading down to KC tomorrow for the weekend games, and looks like I won't see Joba. That's OK, though, he definitely was used correctly today.
2007-09-07 20:45:08
381.   RIYank
378 I agree with you.
And I haven't checked, but I wouldn't be surprised if their R vs RA since the break aren't better than the Mariners'.
2007-09-07 20:46:05
382.   RIYank
Kansas is right next to Nebraska. But it's a hell of a long way from Lincoln to KC. Funny. It's not very far from the Bronx to Jersey City.
2007-09-07 20:46:32
383.   monkeypants

KC 4.6 R/g, 4.8 RA/g, 67-72 pythW-L

SEA 4.9 R/g, 5.0 RA/g, 68-70 pythW-L

It's not a ridiculous thought by any stretch.

2007-09-07 20:46:50
384.   weeping for brunnhilde
345 ha hah ah ah ah ha hah a!!
2007-09-07 20:47:23
385.   weeping for brunnhilde
Alex hit another one?


2007-09-07 20:47:38
386.   williamnyy23
382 Or to Philadelphia, Baltimore or Boston for that matter. Things are a lot closer here in the East.
2007-09-07 20:48:13
387.   weeping for brunnhilde
That wasn't a strike on Cano.
2007-09-07 20:48:29
388.   weeping for brunnhilde
Good running, Derek.
2007-09-07 20:48:35
389.   JeremyM
382 It's only about 3 hours, not too bad of a drive really.

Actually, since the Huskers are playing tomorrow, I wonder how many people are actually going to make the trip. The world pretty much stops here when they're on TV.

2007-09-07 20:49:12
390.   williamnyy23
383 How the hell is Seattle in this race?
2007-09-07 20:49:45
391.   RIYank
So, would you stack up bullpen -- Farns, Joba, Mo -- for four innings against Gagne, Okajima, Papelbon? Would you be happy to go into the sixth at Fenway tied 2-2?
2007-09-07 20:51:07
392.   RIYank
389 Oh, I thought it was much further. Three hours in Nebraska or Kansas (or even Missouri), that's not far, I guess. (In Rhode Island twenty minutes is far.)
2007-09-07 20:51:10
393.   monkeypants
382 It's about 175 miles--the same distance between NYC and, say, Binghamton NY.
2007-09-07 20:53:33
394.   monkeypants
390 Got me. Ask Vandelay Industries, who was talking up the M's as an unstoppable force a couple of weeks ago. As flaky as the Yankees have been this season, Seattle is positively inexplicable.
2007-09-07 20:54:29
395.   JeremyM
392 Yeah, to get across Nebraska from east to west, you're looking at 10 or so hours, and it's as boring as they it is. Now there are some nice areas, but you have to get off the interstate to see them. I think my state gets judged a little too harshly on what can be seen from the car window, but that's just me:)
2007-09-07 20:56:44
396.   RIYank
394 I wish he'd come back so we could make fun of him.

395 I've been once. Lincoln. I liked it. And I saw some bison, in a park outside of town.

2007-09-07 21:01:00
397.   weeping for brunnhilde
This is a propos of nothing (except maybe the Kennedy escape artist thing), but Joe really shouldn't have left Duque in against California in 2002, that game he cruised along for like five innings in relief before he allowed back to back homeruns in the seventh or eighth.

Joe left him in too long.

2007-09-07 21:01:27
398.   weeping for brunnhilde
Farns gets the win?

Ha ah ha ha ha ha hah !!1

2007-09-07 21:02:23
399.   weeping for brunnhilde
Joe: "I thought Kennedy was fine, until he had his little clinic."
2007-09-07 21:02:57
400.   weeping for brunnhilde
Joe: "We went to the bank a lot. We spent a lot to win that game. The fact that we won it is a good sign for us."
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2007-09-07 21:04:45
401.   weeping for brunnhilde
I really love Joe.

He's a Mensch.

Why does he have to be such a lousy manager of the bullpen?

2007-09-07 21:06:20
402.   williamnyy23
401 He'd make a great season!
2007-09-07 21:06:30
403.   weeping for brunnhilde
That was a great slide by Derek.

He's so money.

2007-09-07 21:06:39
404.   RIYank
401 He managed the bullpen pretty damn well today.
2007-09-07 21:08:42
405.   weeping for brunnhilde
402 He would, wouldn't he?
2007-09-07 21:09:47
406.   weeping for brunnhilde
404 Fair enough. Nice job, Joe!
2007-09-07 21:11:18
407.   weeping for brunnhilde
I like Bobby.





2007-09-07 21:12:54
408.   weeping for brunnhilde
Alex: "I don't have to catch everyday, so it makes it a lot easier for me."

"Again, it was impressive that Ian was able to get out of that fifth inning."

I like this Alex.

He's matured, or maybe that's just me.

2007-09-07 21:14:37
409.   SF Yanks
407 Are you watching the game or something because your comments are really, really random.
2007-09-07 21:15:25
410.   RIYank
I think we'd better score a bunch of runs tomorrow. I think I heard Joe say that Vizcaino is unavailable tomorrow -- why is that? Anyway, either Andy has to go very deep, or we have to put up double figures to make the game bullpen-safe.
2007-09-07 21:15:29
411.   weeping for brunnhilde
409 :)

YES postgame.

2007-09-07 21:16:57
412.   weeping for brunnhilde
410 Why is that, indeed.


Andy's going to come up big.

Never fear.

Andy's a golden god.

2007-09-07 21:17:00
413.   RIYank
Gosh, I thought the comments made perfect sense. Now I'm worried. About myself.
2007-09-07 21:17:27
414.   weeping for brunnhilde

Ian Kennedy looks like Howdy Doody.

2007-09-07 21:19:24
415.   RIYank

Vizcaino to rest: Torre said that righty reliever Luis Vizcaino will rest through the weekend series against Kansas City. Vizcaino, third in the AL with 70 appearances, has been playing with a sore right shoulder.

"He is feeling a lot better today and will probably play a little catch, and we don't think that it is anything that is going to take a long time," Torre said.

2007-09-07 21:21:15
416.   weeping for brunnhilde
Joba: "To give us two strong innings and get the ball to Mo is the least I could do."

I love this kid.

Love him.

2007-09-07 21:23:39
417.   RIYank
416 Joba now wants to know when he'll get promoted again. He feels he's shown that he dominates this league, too, and usually after about 14 dominant innings they move him up.
2007-09-07 21:23:42
418.   weeping for brunnhilde
In event of one-game playoff for wc, Yanks play at the Stadium.
2007-09-07 21:24:26
419.   weeping for brunnhilde
417 Yeah, but one sad day he'll surrender a run.


2007-09-07 21:25:07
420.   RIYank
Alex Gordon on Joba:

"I called him last night and told him that if he faces me, he has to throw me a first-pitch fastball," Gordon said with a smile. "I was the older guy at Nebraska, so he has to follow my rules."

Joba obeyed!

2007-09-07 21:25:56
421.   weeping for brunnhilde
420 :)
2007-09-07 21:27:27
422.   RIYank
419 Probably.
But, you never know.
2007-09-07 21:31:36
423.   JeremyM
Has anyone even made it to third on Joba yet? I can't remember anyone doing so yet.

The Royals announcers really thought the ball from Butler was gone, and I thought I heard the fireworks going off as it went to commercial....

2007-09-07 23:04:07
424.   yankz
Just got in. What's this blasphemy I read about Joba someday giving up a run?
2007-09-07 23:04:36
425.   yankz
423 The day he got chucked, someone (prob Youk) did. Edwar prevented him from scoring.
2007-09-07 23:14:02
426.   ric
as beckett, the hillbilly ace says, joba, what ac unt!
2007-09-07 23:18:16
427.   yankz
426 I have no idea what the hell you mean, or what the point of that post was. But damn, I love when you comment, because it constantly proves our point true.
2007-09-07 23:19:35
428.   ric
and what point is that exactly?
2007-09-07 23:23:33
429.   yankz
428 You are obsessed with what we Yankee fans think, especially when it comes to the Sox.

Now good night.

2007-09-07 23:26:25
430.   ric
this is what i meant. just having some fun brogan!
2007-09-08 00:17:51
431.   SF Yanks
430 Just more reason to hate Upper Deck Becket. Thanks for that!
2007-09-08 00:28:09
432.   ric
joba won the battle of "bury my fastball at beirded head"
2007-09-08 05:21:31
433.   joejoejoe
Great stuff about Joba at LoHud. His Dad was at the game and Torre went to meet him afterwards and told Joba's Dad "We're going to keep him."

The Joba, rules!

2007-09-08 06:51:01
434.   RIYank
432 Ahhhh.

Scratch a Red Sox fan, find a racist. Perfect. In case Gary Matthews needed vindication.

2007-09-08 07:10:55
435.   yankz
434 Not to mention, he spelled "bearded" wrong. Beirded- too perfect.

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