Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
2007-08-29 13:20
by Cliff Corcoran
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Roger Clemens was the Red Sox's young fireballing ace. Josh Beckett is the Red Sox's young fireballing ace. The two face off tonight at the Stadium in a series that got a heckuva lot more exciting after the Yankees decided to show up last night and make things interesting.

If you were to plot this series out, you could see a focused Yankee team winning behind Pettitte and Wang on the days Joba's available to nail down the setup innings and against two pitchers the Yankees have fared well against thus far this year in Matsuzaka and Schilling. That would chalk tonight's game up as the loss, as Beckett has finally put it all together at age 27, while Clemens has just two quality starts in his last five tries at age 45. As great a player as Hanley Ramirez has become/is becoming, if Beckett and Mike Lowell can lead the Sox to another World Championship this year, it'll be hard to call that trade a mistake.

One positive for the Yankees tonight is that Manny Ramirez's back is tense. Manny left last night's game with back spasms, isn't in the lineup tonight, and is likely unavailable. Erik Hinske gets the start in left. Jason Giambi starts at first base for the Yankees. The other positive is that, if the Yankees do manage to win tonight, they'll be in great position for a very unlikely sweep.

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2007-08-29 14:58:41
1.   rufuswashere
Not sure if this made today's earlier posts, but it sure is entertaining:

2007-08-29 15:34:44
2.   C2Coke
Now that I finished reading Cliff's game thread. I am all prepared for anything tonight.

Let's Go! Yankees!

2007-08-29 15:37:07
3.   monkeypants
Pete Abe posted some interview with Cashman about Kennedy, including this nebulous answer to a question about the forty man roster; "We have to make a move."

OK kids, make your predictions. I think that no pitcher under 30 will be released, so that leaves my top two choices:

1. Brower
2. K. Thompson (PR can be replaced by Gardner if need be; will not be on PS roster; will be gone next year anyway).

2007-08-29 15:49:14
4.   Cliff Corcoran
3 Brower's the obvious choice. T.J. Beam would be the second in line in my opinion.
2007-08-29 15:50:35
5.   Sliced Bread
Manny v Clemens woulda been fun tonight.

I refuse to believe he's not available until I see him shackled to the foul pole, up on the squirrel perch... and even then...

Anyway, betcha a pint of moose tracks with cherry on top that somebody takes a Rocket fastball in the lumbar this evening... inadvertently, of course.

2007-08-29 15:55:15
6.   unmoderated
lezgo yanks.

prediction for this evening's affair:

clemens: 6 IP, 112 pitches, 3 BB 5 K 8 hits 3 ER

beckett: 7 IP 106 pitches, 4 BB 9 K 5 hits 3 ER

yanks bullpen: 3 IP, 1 BB 4 K 2 hits 0 ER
sox pen: 1 IP 2 BB 1 K 3 hits 2 ER

abreu doubles in the third to score damon and jeter.

giambi homers in the 5th.

lowell hits a 3 run HR in the second.


giambi hits a 2 out 2 run homer in the 8th.

in the 4th, beckett goes up and in on Cano, and he yells a bunch and points and the crowd boos and thats it.

2007-08-29 15:57:18
7.   Eirias
Seattle is down by 4 in the 9th.
2007-08-29 15:58:02
8.   Vandelay Industries
Angels up 6-2 top ninth, bases loaded and two out.

Barring a miracle, Yanks could tie for the WC tonight.

2007-08-29 16:01:49
9.   Sliced Bread
5 prediction, not a suggestion, mind you.
2007-08-29 16:05:04
10.   Vandelay Industries
And our old friend Mr. Proctor is about to cough up the go ahead run in the top of the 12th in Los Angeles.
2007-08-29 16:05:41
11.   Vandelay Industries
WOW! Proctor got out of it......yikes!
2007-08-29 16:08:17
12.   underdog
10 3 shutout innings by your old friend, saved their hide today. (Of course, if they were able to PH Betemit at some point, that might have ended it, but never mind that.)
2007-08-29 16:10:53
13.   Sliced Bread
3000 miles away, Proctor was assured victory by Manny's back spasms.
2007-08-29 16:11:07
14.   Vandelay Industries
12 A reliever pitching three innings? What kind of parallel universe is this?
2007-08-29 16:12:35
15.   Vandelay Industries
Beltre pop up. Game over! Go tie this bitch up boys!
2007-08-29 16:22:33
16.   C2Coke
Hey! It's nice to have the old Banterer crowd showing up tonight!

6 Man, you have your own ball game going on up there.

What gets the Cap'n fired up is actually quite predictable.

2007-08-29 16:23:36
17.   Zack
Lets not waste Derek on 2nd guys!
2007-08-29 16:26:29
18.   randym77
They wanted Proctor because they wanted a workhorse. They got what they wanted.
2007-08-29 16:27:30
19.   Zack
What is that on Beckett's chin? Half a goatee? What is it with baseball players and crappy facial hair?
2007-08-29 16:29:39
20.   Sliced Bread
19 chin-chilla
2007-08-29 16:31:16
21.   Zack
See, Bob, that didn't hurt so much did it?
2007-08-29 16:33:57
22.   monkeypants
Why are we watching close ups of Manny drooling all over himself?
2007-08-29 16:34:06
23.   Zack
Um, Roger, the strike zone is right there, in the middle
2007-08-29 16:35:06
24.   williamnyy23
Kay should try doing the game every now and then instead of asking his annoying Center Stage questions.
2007-08-29 16:36:53
25.   williamnyy23
Giambi and Roger converging on the know Coco Crisp had to be just a little nervous.
2007-08-29 16:38:04
26.   monkeypants
25 Hey I'm just happy that Giambi has fielded two balls and Abreu fielded a pop up near the wall in foul territory, and neither exploded.
2007-08-29 16:43:23
27.   williamnyy23
Wow...Beckett looks excellent.
2007-08-29 16:49:36
28.   Zack
2007-08-29 16:54:35
29.   Zack
YES! Huge JD!
2007-08-29 16:57:15
30.   OldYanksFan
Roger is such a competative egomaniac.
You just KNOW he wants to beat Beckett... even if we had a 30 game lead in the division.
I expect this 3 run lead to PUMP HIM UP!
2007-08-29 16:57:41
31.   Zack
I could see that play develop right off the bat, anyone else?
2007-08-29 17:00:57
32.   Chyll Will
31 Here!
2007-08-29 17:01:53
33.   tommyl
I hope Steve Phillips and Murray Chass were watching when our fourth outfielder singled off the greatest pitcher obtained in a trade ever.
2007-08-29 17:05:05
34.   Zack
Roger all over the place
2007-08-29 17:05:35
35.   williamnyy23
The Rocket needs to trust his stuff more.
2007-08-29 17:08:53
36.   Zack
Thanks for the out Dustin
2007-08-29 17:09:20
37.   mehmattski
Yeah, just because you're dirty doesn't make you a good player, rook.
2007-08-29 17:09:41
38.   underdog
14/18 - It was a long stint to be sure, but a) he didn't pitch yesterday, b) they have the day off tomorrow, c) have two potentially good young relievers about to come up and help when rosters expend and d) (perhaps most importantly) had 76 year old Roberto Hernandez warming up in the bullpen as a near last resort. It was a yeoman's effort.

Good luck tonight!

2007-08-29 17:09:43
39.   Zack
Man oh man is Damon ugly in LF...
2007-08-29 17:10:44
40.   Zack
38 Long stint? For EDSP? Psh, thats just his WARMUP!
2007-08-29 17:11:40
41.   williamnyy23
Ortiz probably can't wait to get back to Boston. Not only would those outs be 2B/HRs, but pitchers can actually entertain the thought of using the outside part of the plate.
2007-08-29 17:12:47
42.   Zack
Oh Alex...
2007-08-29 17:13:00
43.   williamnyy23 never see Arod do something that stupid.
2007-08-29 17:13:18
44.   ny2ca2dc
39 was that sarcastic? He's not natural out there yet, but he's making a case for himself, and his speed/range/athleticism is really good. With his comeback at the plate, maybe if he can't be traded for something pretty good he should just take over Left & Matsui finally make the transition to 1B next year...

Little over ambitious there Arod....

2007-08-29 17:13:34
45.   Zack
Apparently, Dustin Pedroia is "all baseball player" whatever the hell that means
2007-08-29 17:13:34
46.   monkeypants
2007-08-29 17:14:41
47.   underdog
40 Ooops, sorry, I forgot! Maybe they're stretching him out for starting duties next season.
2007-08-29 17:14:42
48.   JeremyM
See guys, Hinske does something to help his team win ballgames every time he plays, just like espn said.

Did I really hear the announcers say if there is a mediocre slider or curve thrown, Hinske can hit it out of the park? Damning with fainit praise I'd say.

2007-08-29 17:14:47
49.   Zack
44 No it was serious. By ugly I meant its ain't pretty. He gets it done, but its all sorts of turning and swerving and corkscrewing towards the ball. He may well be in RF next year if Bobby leaves
2007-08-29 17:15:51
50.   williamnyy23
49 I think it's almost a certainty now that the Yankees will pick up Abreu's option.
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2007-08-29 17:16:14
51.   monkeypants
44 Please, let us not revisit the Matsui at first idea. Now, Damon may be the better LF than Matsui, but you cannot deny that he takes ugly routes to the ball and makes very awkward catches. On most of those he's needed his speed to compensate for his own poor routes.
2007-08-29 17:17:01
52.   Zack
A Rod play looming large...we are a triples machine these days!
2007-08-29 17:17:22
53.   JeremyM
A-Rod really has to be kicking himself now...

My God, I almost miss Rick Sutcliffe right now. Bald jokes and olden day jokes, hilarious.

2007-08-29 17:17:55
54.   Zack
50 I read somewhere today that its not so set in stone at all, but of course its all spec at this point...
2007-08-29 17:20:08
55.   williamnyy23
Crap...stranding runners always gives me a bad feeling. Posada should have been more aggressive with a man on 3rd.
2007-08-29 17:21:06
56.   C2Coke
60 pitches not even through 3. I like Red Sox's Ace.

Jorge is especially emotionally fired up lately, no?

2007-08-29 17:22:00
57.   Zack
56 Jorge's always had a case of the red ass, but it does seem a bit redder of late ..

What a waste of an inning...

2007-08-29 17:22:27
58.   JeremyM
Well, that kind of stunk. I kind of agree that Giambi should've laid one down.
2007-08-29 17:22:41
59.   williamnyy23
I really hope that inning doesn't come back to haunt them...leading off with a single and a triple should mean two runs...coming away with nothing is a lost opportunity.
2007-08-29 17:22:41
60.   mehmattski
49 Also, if you thought having a noodle-arm in CF was bad, imagine how many extra bases would be taken if Damon was in RF. Ugh. Besides, it's better to have someone with CF experience play LF in Yankee Stadium, it's cavernous out there.
2007-08-29 17:24:26
61.   OldYanksFan
51 His bad routes may be because he is unfamiliar with the position. He was an above average CF. I have to think that will translate to LF with a bit more experience.

I like the idea, although I don't know if Mats can play an average 1B.

2007-08-29 17:25:12
62.   mehmattski
OMG Giambi caught a ball! It's a miracle! I do not believe what I just saw!
2007-08-29 17:25:22
63.   Zack
Ahh, of course ESPN would show a highlight of a red sox win
2007-08-29 17:26:13
64.   williamnyy23
62 Settle down Jack Buck.
2007-08-29 17:27:08
65.   Zack
61 I don't doubt it. LF in Yankee Stadium isn't an easy place to patrol. His skill set is far more suited for LF than anywhere else right now, but sooner or later hes gonna give up a big hit with those routes...
2007-08-29 17:27:59
66.   Zack
Is it really possible that Drew has that little power now? I mean, hes looking like Sean Casey
2007-08-29 17:27:59
67.   OldYanksFan
From ESPN:
Mariano Rivera watches from the bullpen as the savior, Joba Chamberlain, warms up for his seventh inning in the big leagues. On this day, he has been asked to shut down the middle of the Detroit lineup. With the Yankees up 4-3 in the seventh, Chamberlain pumps fastballs at Gary Sheffield, who cannot catch up to a chest-high, 98 mph bullet and pops out. Magglio Ordonez, the Tigers' MVP candidate, flails at the vapor trails of three fastballs and whiffs. Two outs. Carlos Guillen gets Chamberlain's slider, which seems to be a hybrid of Ron Guidry's Louisiana lightning and Rivera's cutter, and because he is wary of the fastball, he cannot check his swing. Nine pitches, three outs, two punch-outs, one more inning of total domination. The fans are on their feet again as Chamberlain walks off, his teammates tapping him with their gloves as they pass.
2007-08-29 17:28:22
68.   OldYanksFan
And Clemens takes Beckett to school.
2007-08-29 17:28:42
69.   williamnyy23
65 Right now, the question is will it be a hit that Matsui would have caught? Bad routes and all, I think Damon is a net gain over a healthy Matsui, not to mention one with a balky knee.
2007-08-29 17:29:07
70.   SF Yanks
Hmmmmm...just noticed something going on in the game...
2007-08-29 17:29:27
71.   monkeypants
61 For goodness sakes, he's played nearly 350 career games at LF and he's still running around in circles out there? he was never that good of a CF. A fast one, yes, but not the most instinctive. And that's the way he plays LF. Now, that doesn't mean he's not getting the job done--he does get there more times than not.
2007-08-29 17:30:47
72.   JeremyM
Cano, bad idea there, wear this guy out and send him to the showers.
2007-08-29 17:31:58
73.   mehmattski
72 He walked last at bat, give him a break. He's got free-swinging quotas to fill...
2007-08-29 17:32:33
74.   Zack
oooh, looked out to me
2007-08-29 17:32:55
75.   williamnyy23
No slide for Melky!!
2007-08-29 17:33:10
76.   mehmattski
I guess forgetting to step on first base is playing the right way to play the game. Ipso facto, et cetera.
2007-08-29 17:33:25
77.   Zack
oops, he was safe!
2007-08-29 17:33:29
78.   monkeypants
74 Yep.

75 ; )

2007-08-29 17:34:09
79.   williamnyy23
What's what the 1st pitch swing this inning...they were executing a perfect game plan until now!
2007-08-29 17:34:11
80.   monkeypants
78 I take that back--it did look like he missed the bag.
2007-08-29 17:35:16
81.   JeremyM
79 One of my biggest pet peeves, the plan is working and then they switch it up.
2007-08-29 17:35:38
82.   OldYanksFan
So if they re-sign Abreu, does JD become a $13m bench player? More lost ABs for a healthy Giambi? Right now our 1bman has a .700 OPS and Tex is off the market. What are we gonna do?
2007-08-29 17:36:30
83.   williamnyy23
82 If Arod re-ups, I have no problem rolling this exact offense into next season.
2007-08-29 17:36:35
84.   C2Coke
80 Both Arod and Beckett seemed to have forgotten where the 1B bag locates.
2007-08-29 17:36:44
85.   monkeypants
81 Maybe the plan all along was to swing early, but they got away from it before...
2007-08-29 17:37:04
86.   williamnyy23
Jeter should have been struck out anyway...that pitch was down the middle.
2007-08-29 17:37:07
87.   Zack
What happened there Melky, running through quick sand?
2007-08-29 17:37:09
88.   JeremyM
I could just sense that they were going to give an out away there. Terrible jump by Melky.
2007-08-29 17:37:56
89.   Schteeve
70 No, you didn't. :)
2007-08-29 17:38:28
90.   joe in boston
81 79 so true - they wait out Becket for 3 innings and now this inning kills me (and them)
2007-08-29 17:38:39
91.   JeremyM
89 He just noticed Manny wasn't playing.
2007-08-29 17:40:02
92.   Zack
Freaking ESPN guys
2007-08-29 17:40:07
93.   Schteeve
89 He is playing. Spades, in the clubhouse, with the assistant to the travelling secretary.
2007-08-29 17:40:08
94.   ny2ca2dc
57 That's part of why he's awesome!

51 You're right, sorry for bringing up that dead horse

And I'm sure we'd all agree that Damon taking ugly routes but still snagging the ballz is better than Matsui taking nice routes slowly & playing outs into Granderson inside-the-parker'z...

2007-08-29 17:40:43
95.   SF Yanks
91 NO, I noticed that Damon had a nice HIT early on in the game.
2007-08-29 17:40:56
96.   Schteeve
My internet connection is pretty wonky, would one of you kind fellers tell me if Seattle won or lost today?
2007-08-29 17:41:19
97.   williamnyy23
Is he pitching around Varitek?
2007-08-29 17:42:00
98.   Zack
Seattle lost and Detroit down by 5 already. Nice to know that KC can handle them at least
2007-08-29 17:43:00
99.   williamnyy23
Come on Roger...challenge them!
2007-08-29 17:43:09
100.   Zack
Crisp is an ugly, ratty lookin dude, isn't he?

Hey Roge, throw some strikes

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2007-08-29 17:45:32
101.   Hocakes
100 Yeah, I call him Coco-Crack b/c he looks like a crack head.
2007-08-29 17:46:20
102.   williamnyy23
I dont understand why he is pitching around the bottom...he has a good fastball tonight.
2007-08-29 17:47:42
103.   C2Coke
96 Seattle Lost.
2007-08-29 17:48:00
104.   Zack
Of course, then Lugo comes up and makes Crisp look like Fabio...
2007-08-29 17:49:26
105.   JeremyM
I don't buy into the apple pie and ice cream version that espn puts forth for the LLWS. I've seen enough pyscho parents living vicariously through their kids to know better.
2007-08-29 17:50:14
106.   3rd gen yankee fan
Only 104 posts for such a great game? Wow. Well I can't be around tonight either but GO YANKEES!!!!!!
2007-08-29 17:50:20
107.   C2Coke
Anyone knows Rocket's pitch count? (I hate to turn on Gameday, always freezes my computer.)
2007-08-29 17:50:47
108.   JeremyM
107 He's at 75 pitches.
2007-08-29 17:50:53
109.   ny2ca2dc
102 Command has seemed to desert him for flashes - 2 walks on 8 pitches in the second & all... But atta boy Rocket, good game so far, he could go 7 at this rate. Then maybe Viz or Farns & Mo, assuming we don't break it open right quick. Pete Abe's right, time to step on Beckett's neck. Too bad Alex ran out of that single, Matsui's trip would'a made it a comfortable 4-zip...
2007-08-29 17:51:12
110.   ChrisS
107 He's up around 70 now.
2007-08-29 17:51:33
111.   C2Coke
108 Thanks. It's certainly nice to know.
2007-08-29 17:51:49
112.   OldYanksFan
This old guy seems like he knows how to pitch.
2007-08-29 17:52:16
113.   monkeypants
105 I stopped watching the LLWS years ago--I find imposing nationalist pressures and cultural stereotypes onto ten year olds a bit depressing.
2007-08-29 17:53:50
114.   williamnyy23
109 Step on his neck? They are kind of lucky to have scored three runs.
2007-08-29 17:53:56
115.   OldYanksFan
3 runs is still not a real comfortable lead. I think we could use an A-Bomb.
2007-08-29 17:54:54
116.   Zack
Just like Yesterday, we have allowed the SP to settle in...Let's hope we can finish it up like yesterday...

That's what, the 5th little dinky hit like that today?

2007-08-29 17:55:37
117.   JeremyM
Well that was a horsehit at bat.
2007-08-29 17:55:41
118.   williamnyy23
I'm shocked they turned two on that.
2007-08-29 17:55:50
119.   OldYanksFan
OH @#)@OUK)@KKK@@@@+_!
2007-08-29 17:56:39
120.   williamnyy23
116 Had the Yankees simply kept their bat on their shoulders over the past two innings, Beckett's night would be done. Instead he could 7 innings.
2007-08-29 17:57:16
121.   C2Coke
Arod, one solo homer later is not gonna cut it now.
2007-08-29 17:59:12
122.   C2Coke
120 Easy there, man. If tonight's game is making you somehow angry, just think back to their road trip. Now...isn't everything just look a little brighter?
2007-08-29 17:59:39
123.   Zack
Nice sequence to little Dustin there
2007-08-29 17:59:46
124.   ChrisS
So, have Edwar, Viz and Britton close this one out and have Mo at the ready so he can rest? Then both he and Joba will be ready for tomorrow if the sweep game is a real squeaker?
2007-08-29 18:00:12
125.   williamnyy23
122 No anger in that statement at all, but the 30 pitches it likely would have taken would have Beckett on the brink of departing.
2007-08-29 18:00:55
126.   Zack
Figured that was coming. Now ESPN will show it all game and talk about it for three days
2007-08-29 18:01:22
127.   williamnyy23
124 Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

3-1 now...this game had the feel of a blow out, but you can bank on it that the Red Sox will threaten in the later innings.

2007-08-29 18:01:30
128.   Zack
124 Joe will go with Farns before Edwar and Britton


2007-08-29 18:01:37
129.   williamnyy23
Beautiful play Robbie...spectacular.
2007-08-29 18:01:46
130.   ChrisS
or, well shit, there goes the no-no and the shut out.
2007-08-29 18:02:14
131.   Zack
if the Yanks don't score at least two more runs soon, this game is quite unsafe...
2007-08-29 18:02:48
132.   williamnyy23
128 In the pregame he is said Farnsy is back and he wouldn't hesitate to bring him in any kind of situation. I almost drove off the road listening.
2007-08-29 18:03:10
133.   Zack
Roge is starting to hang some pitches...
2007-08-29 18:03:31
134.   Schteeve
Ortiz is such a dick. He couldn't let an old man have one more night of glory. God I hate him.
2007-08-29 18:03:36
135.   ChrisS
127 I just threw it out there for discussion. I think that makes sense, Joe of course would go to Mo if it was 3-0 in the 9th, because it's a save situation.
2007-08-29 18:03:59
136.   williamnyy23
131 Beckett is only at 82 pitches, so they'll have to score those runs off him.
2007-08-29 18:04:05
137.   Schteeve
132 Farns has looked damn good the last 2 times I've seen him pitch.
2007-08-29 18:04:13
138.   OldYanksFan
However, without Manny, this lineup has a lot less punch. Maybe we will pitch around Papi in the 8th.
2007-08-29 18:04:47
139.   OldYanksFan
Not good. Might have cost us Roger going 7.
2007-08-29 18:05:06
140.   ChrisS
Youk is completely unafraid of NYY pitching.
2007-08-29 18:05:22
141.   Zack
So what's that, 10 replays so far?
2007-08-29 18:05:49
142.   monkeypants
137 With Houston this is about the time Roger would get PH for--I think we're looking at the bottom of the tank now.
2007-08-29 18:06:08
143.   williamnyy23
139 At his point, I'd settle for 6...this is getting a little uncomfortable very quickly.
2007-08-29 18:07:01
144.   C2Coke
137 It's funny, since Joba, the other man who can throw 100 miles and for strikes, came up, Farns hasn't been the Farns we've came to know.
2007-08-29 18:07:09
145.   Mattpat11
137 He's still no good. Don't be fooled.
2007-08-29 18:07:48
146.   Gagne55
ESPN announcers disapproves of the "Joba Rules."
2007-08-29 18:07:52
147.   Zack
And the Yanks offense going to sleep coming back to haunt, as expected...
2007-08-29 18:08:35
148.   williamnyy23
Something tells me that Varitek has a big hit coming...Roger has pitched around him all night, so maybe he knew something?
2007-08-29 18:09:12
149.   Gagne55
Varitek likely Clemens last batter.
2007-08-29 18:09:27
150.   ChrisS
146 Go figure. I haven't seen one media person that approved of them.
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2007-08-29 18:09:39
151.   Zack
More Red Sox highlights. Has there been a Yankee highlight tonight? (not that there are that many)
2007-08-29 18:10:26
152.   Mattpat11
148 I hate Varitek more than anyone else on that team.
2007-08-29 18:10:47
153.   joejoejoe
146 I thought Orel H. made a good point about the "Joba Rules" - why are they public? Orel speculated (accurately I think) that they are to preempt Joe Torre from taking the usage decisions into his own hands.
2007-08-29 18:10:47
154.   monkeypants
147 They have scored 3 runs in six innings off a pitcher with a 3.21 ERA--they haven't exactly been somnambulent tonight.
2007-08-29 18:11:00
155.   williamnyy23
Great composure by Clemens...but three more big innings to go.
2007-08-29 18:11:11
156.   Zack
Roger is the man. Gutsy job by him. Of course, for what he is being paid, he should go two more at least, but I'll take it
2007-08-29 18:11:16
157.   C2Coke
151 My sympathies, man. I've been getting YES on MLB.TV.
2007-08-29 18:11:43
158.   monkeypants
Yay, Roger! Let's get that oneback and give Viz a nice lead for the 7th.
2007-08-29 18:12:21
159.   Zack
153 By all accounts, it was SUPPOSED to be private, but Torre went public with it...

154 Its less Beckett's era and more that they had their chances and had him throwing a lot of pitches, but have done diddly-squat since

2007-08-29 18:13:14
160.   JeremyM
Man, if he had his control tonight, it could've been a special night, but I'll take 6 strong. It seems such a shame that he's never had a no-hitter.
2007-08-29 18:13:59
161.   monkeypants
146 150 It's win-win for them. If the rules are followed, the media can make fun of them. If they break the rules, they can wet themselves over 100-MPH heaters (Kay). And when he blows out his shoulder, they can turn around and blame the organization on overusing him.
2007-08-29 18:14:19
162.   Mattpat11
Nice catch there Nancy.
2007-08-29 18:14:28
163.   joejoejoe
150 I think the Joba Rules should be used for every pitcher in the bullpen not named Rivera. You can get 54 appearances and 108 innings out of a RP using the Joba Rules or 81 appearances and 81 IP. That's plenty of available innings. Too bad if your "gut" tells you that Scott Proctor is the best choice for the fourth night in a row. It's more likely to be indigestion than a good baseball decision.
2007-08-29 18:14:31
164.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Really hard for me to root for Clemens, still hate the guy...but what the hell!
Late this morning, how sharp has he been?
2007-08-29 18:14:34
165.   Zack
160 Shows you how much of throwing a no-no is luck and chance
2007-08-29 18:15:36
166.   Mattpat11
159 I think people would have figured it out at some point.
2007-08-29 18:15:45
167.   Zack
ten hits, three runs? blah
2007-08-29 18:16:32
168.   monkeypants
165 Getting back to the Nolan Ryan discussion from a few nights ago!

Couple of hard hit balls by Matsui and Jorge--matbe Beckett's running out of gas too.

2007-08-29 18:16:41
169.   Zack
166 They would have figured out the pattern I'm sure, but not nec. that there were rules mandated from above. Whatever, to me, its a good thing
2007-08-29 18:17:09
170.   ChrisS
Apparently Jorge discovered the only way to get real MVP consideration as a catcher is to have a high BA.
2007-08-29 18:17:32
171.   BklynBmr
167 Yeah. And most of those were hard shots. Seems like we should have at least 6 runs...
2007-08-29 18:17:47
172.   Zack
Although I just read this on my fantasy team note for Joba: "Kat O'Brien, of, reports New York Yankees RP Joba Chamberlain could be given an increased role down the stretch, possibly being used for three innings at a time."
2007-08-29 18:18:25
173.   ChrisS
Absolutely agree with his use rules, he only just started pitching a few years ago, he's had arm trouble already. No reason to burn him out.
2007-08-29 18:19:06
174.   monkeypants
172 I'd rather three innings (with appropriate rest) than more appearances.
2007-08-29 18:20:08
175.   OldYanksFan
2007-08-29 18:20:15
176.   Zack
Jesus Cano, that is unacceptable!
2007-08-29 18:20:35
177.   Mattpat11
What the hell is on Eric Hinske's head?
2007-08-29 18:20:37
178.   Schteeve
I have a good feeling about Melky
2007-08-29 18:20:59
179.   Mattpat11
Andy Phillips may be slower than Giambi.
2007-08-29 18:21:21
180.   Zack
174 If it went with 3 days of rest, I think its probably even better for Joba, but its not that great for the stretch run, to take that many days off...

Ahh, the Joe Torre patented "pull Giambi in the 7th in a close game for a pinch runner"

2007-08-29 18:21:53
181.   monkeypants
Ah yes, PR Phillips for Giambi...this worked out so well earlier this year.
2007-08-29 18:22:02
182.   BklynBmr
177 The squirrel.
2007-08-29 18:22:22
183.   Mattpat11
169 When we were using the dregs of the bullpen instead of that exciting fat kid that throws strikes, I really think people would look at his age and put two and two together.
2007-08-29 18:22:46
184.   Zack
182 No, I think thats in the back of Magglio Ordonez's helmet...
2007-08-29 18:23:41
185.   Zack
Nice running Melky!
2007-08-29 18:23:52
186.   BklynBmr
180 Which guarantees an extra inning game, where you'd like to be able to end it with one swing...
2007-08-29 18:24:04
187.   Mattpat11
180 I'm not just annoyed that they PR for Giambi, but used someone that's painfully slow. What advantage does this give us?

However, if it gets to that point, I do think the chances of a big single are better for Phillips.

2007-08-29 18:24:38
188.   BklynBmr
Do what you did to us, Johnny!
2007-08-29 18:25:49
189.   monkeypants
187 Of course, he may be the fastest PR on the bench when JD starts. Now, if that 13th pitcher we Kevin Thompson...
2007-08-29 18:26:17
190.   Zack
189 I bet Edwar is fast...
2007-08-29 18:26:34
191.   monkeypants
189 were Kevin Thompson...
2007-08-29 18:26:42
192.   Mattpat11
189 I refuse to believe that Andy Phillips is faster than anyone thats not Posada.
2007-08-29 18:27:07
193.   Mattpat11
He was safe.
2007-08-29 18:27:10
194.   Zack
don't dive!!!!!
2007-08-29 18:27:21
195.   Mattpat11
No he wasnt. Nevemind
2007-08-29 18:27:30
196.   BklynBmr
The Melky memo didn't make it around the clubhouse...
2007-08-29 18:27:35
197.   tommyl
Please stop sliding into 1st base.
2007-08-29 18:27:56
198.   monkeypants
Johnny with the goddamned slide at 1B.
2007-08-29 18:27:58
199.   williamnyy23
Nice dive Damon...any chance to beat the play was lost when you decided to slide.
2007-08-29 18:28:00
200.   Zack
Well, there we go again, now 11 hits, 3 runs...that Josh Beckett, is stuff is just so good that he can allow 11 hits and get away with it
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2007-08-29 18:28:32
201.   williamnyy23
With all the chances they've squandered, you just know something bad awaits.
2007-08-29 18:29:22
202.   monkeypants
192 A foot race b/t Phillips, Molina, Duncan, and Betemit would be something else.
2007-08-29 18:29:59
203.   OldYanksFan
If we WHEN we make the PS, I'm sure Joba rules will relax a bit. Maybe 2 innings, 2 days off, 3 innings, 2 days off. I think limiting the appearences but upping the innings a tad will be deemed reasonable.

After all, in the PS, that 1 extra inning a week can make a difference.

2007-08-29 18:30:36
204.   C2Coke
201 Perhaps I have mistaken pessimism for anger before?
2007-08-29 18:30:52
205.   Mattpat11
202 I forgot about Molina.

I'm still not sure who's faster.

2007-08-29 18:31:06
206.   monkeypants
203 The PS has extra off days, fortunately.
2007-08-29 18:31:24
207.   OldYanksFan
181 Bad move. The potentail 5th run is not that important.
2007-08-29 18:32:09
208.   Yankees Brasil
Farnsworth pitching the 8th?
2007-08-29 18:32:18
209.   seamus
202 molina comes in last without a doubt.
2007-08-29 18:32:23
210.   Zack
Hmm, so Viz in the 7th, does that mean Farns in the 8th? methinks so, sigh...
Come on Viz!
2007-08-29 18:32:24
211.   C2Coke
Beckett is not done yet, apparently. No one warming yet.
2007-08-29 18:33:05
212.   JeremyM
Huge K, because you know Crisp was taking 2nd if he walked.
2007-08-29 18:33:05
213.   Zack
Yeah, up close, Crisp is an adonis compared to Lugo
2007-08-29 18:33:08
214.   BklynBmr
201 Of course. But we're trying not to think about it. Thanks for the reminder, though.
2007-08-29 18:33:19
215.   williamnyy23
204 Not sure...I'm paying attention to the game.

208 Scarily...yes...and it could be the heart of the order too.

2007-08-29 18:33:47
216.   monkeypants
210 Have faith. Sometimes things work out...
2007-08-29 18:34:09
217.   Zack
215 I realized that. If so, there is 100% no reason not to walk Ortiz...
2007-08-29 18:35:27
218.   Zack
Ugh, who really wants to watch Marc Cuban try and dance?
2007-08-29 18:35:35
219.   OldYanksFan
201 In 90% of ALL games played, EVERY team 'squanders' many opportunities. It's kinda silly to be mad that we don't score everytime there's a decent probability.

And in some distant way, it may even have something to do with facing a very good pitcher.

2007-08-29 18:36:19
220.   williamnyy23
Of all the broadcats in baseball, no team does the game less than YES. When Michael Kay is behind the Mike, the pbp sounds more like a talk show.
2007-08-29 18:36:19
221.   Mattpat11
Kay LOVES Kyle Farnsworth.
2007-08-29 18:36:30
222.   Yankees Brasil
217 Farnsworth is going to K Ortiz on 3 pitches..
2007-08-29 18:37:11
223.   monkeypants
205 But Andy looks so fast with those high socks! Did you see that quick jog to tag the bag?
2007-08-29 18:37:11
224.   Mattpat11
220 Kay is just awful.
2007-08-29 18:37:26
225.   williamnyy23
219 If I was mad, I wouldn't be typing in complete sentences. But, when you have a good pitcher on the ropes and do several things to shoot yourself in the foot, well, those things usually come back to get you.
2007-08-29 18:37:29
226.   JeremyM
218 Yeah, how does that make the "ticker?" Who cares?
2007-08-29 18:38:08
227.   Mattpat11
223 I'm not sure he was the faster of the two in the pinch running equation.
2007-08-29 18:38:31
228.   Zack
Ugh, Viz, don't walk Lugo...
2007-08-29 18:38:50
229.   williamnyy23
You can't get a worse walk than Lugo...hopefully Papi doesn't come up in this inning.
2007-08-29 18:38:58
230.   ChrisS
Throwing strikes is not an option for the Yankees tonight.
2007-08-29 18:39:18
231.   Mattpat11
How tall do you think Pedroia legitimately is?
2007-08-29 18:39:25
232.   Marcus
217 Remember Farns has a great record against Ortiz. something like 5 Ks in about 10 ABs? I don't know the exact numbers and I'm too lazy to find them.
2007-08-29 18:40:22
233.   monkeypants
227 Oh neither am I...I'm just having some fun. It was an odd spot to PR, whatever the case.
2007-08-29 18:40:32
234.   williamnyy23
At least Farns can't face Ortiz as the tying run.
2007-08-29 18:40:35
235.   Zack
I really don't want to watch Farns in the 8th. Torre is really amazing for his Farnsworth love...
2007-08-29 18:40:41
236.   JeremyM
Nonetheless, I'm going to walk my dogs during Farnsoworth's inning.
2007-08-29 18:41:08
237.   monkeypants
Ahhh...setting up the perfect Ortiz situation.

OK, this dude is gassed--they've got to pick up a run or two here...

2007-08-29 18:41:08
238.   vockins
Oh man, Beckett's face was classic.
2007-08-29 18:41:39
239.   vockins
Oh man, Beckett's face was classic.
2007-08-29 18:42:09
240.   Mattpat11
233 And that's a sad state of affairs in itself. When there is legitimate doubt about whether someone is faster than Jason Giambi.
2007-08-29 18:43:27
241.   monkeypants
240 You have to admit that the injury risk is less with Andy (or anyone not named Carl) running.
2007-08-29 18:44:17
242.   williamnyy23
The stands are packed with celebrities!
2007-08-29 18:45:01
243.   Schteeve
240 Joe pinch ran Shelley D. for Giambi the other night. My head exploded.
2007-08-29 18:45:07
244.   vockins
238 239 What's the internet etiquette on the double post? Do I apologize and acknowledge my screw up but make another worthless post, or do I ignore it and leave everyone thinking I'm a moron?

I guess most would go with moron regardless.

2007-08-29 18:45:08
245.   williamnyy23
241 I dont have a problem with the PR for defense reasons, but why wait until there was two outs.
2007-08-29 18:45:24
246.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
221 wait...M.Kay loves Farnsworth?? why???
2007-08-29 18:45:51
247.   williamnyy23
I am terrified of Farnsworth.
2007-08-29 18:46:26
248.   Hocakes
244 Man, you really screwed up. You can't comment for two weeks:)
2007-08-29 18:46:35
249.   lenyc
I find it hilarious that orel hersh on espn said that he thinks its insullting to torre that he is not allowed to manage the arm of Joba out of the Pen, clearly Orel doesnt wathc or pay attention to the reckcless abuse that happens to our relievers arms...I mena for god sake there is a blog called named after one of our ex-relievers arm...haha
2007-08-29 18:46:44
250.   Zack
244 Eh, happens all the time. Just make some funny comment about it. But of course, make sure its funny or else it only adds to the moronic-ness :)
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2007-08-29 18:47:02
251.   monkeypants
245 Why PR for defensive purposes, when you can make the change after the inning ends? The only reason to PR is if the PR gives you a tactical advantage.
2007-08-29 18:47:18
252.   williamnyy23
249 Thankfully, Brian Cashman doesn't care.
2007-08-29 18:47:20
253.   Zack
Man, our offense has GONE TO SLEEP
2007-08-29 18:48:03
254.   ChrisS
I don't really know why the Red Sox need Beckett out there to run his pitch count way up, it' not like their bullpen sucks and hasn't been rested.
2007-08-29 18:48:06
255.   lenyc
man i hate the fact that we should be destroying this guy and that we aren't.
2007-08-29 18:48:37
256.   Marcus
It's about time for A-Rod to GO DEEP.
2007-08-29 18:48:53
257.   williamnyy23
A perfect spot for an A-bomb.
2007-08-29 18:48:54
258.   Zack
HA!!! I really really felt that coming!! I swear! I had thought about posting a future post of Ha!
2007-08-29 18:48:54
259.   Marcus
There you go.
2007-08-29 18:48:55
260.   BklynBmr
2007-08-29 18:49:03
261.   Eirias
Who was complaining about A-Rod solo home runs?
2007-08-29 18:49:04
262.   Mattpat11
Look at that smug look on that Jackass' face.

Good job Alex.

2007-08-29 18:49:43
263.   Schteeve
That's why they call him A-Rod!
2007-08-29 18:49:45
264.   williamnyy23
254 Something tells me Francona was trying to get Beckett a win, maybe with a nod toward helping him out in the Cy Young race.
2007-08-29 18:49:56
265.   Zack
262 I thought the same thing. he's standing on the mound laughing it off like, "psh, if I had wanted to get him out I would have"
2007-08-29 18:49:56
266.   mehmattski
But C2Coke says 121 A-Rod's homer doesn't make up for his base-running blunder and GIDP.
2007-08-29 18:49:59
267.   lenyc
I spoke to soon.. I guess that was a good time for a jinx. Let the cute and yet very odd tag team celebration in the dugout begin
2007-08-29 18:50:06
268.   C2Coke
Arod, didn't I say a solo homer is not gonna cut it? Ah, fine, I will take it.
2007-08-29 18:50:11
269.   monkeypants
253 255 et al. Sooner or later he was going to make a mistake.
2007-08-29 18:50:18
270.   Chyll Will
See, now you can overrun first base the right way >;)
2007-08-29 18:51:27
271.   ny2ca2dc
For the record, I'm sitting watching the game with my Red Sox fan wife, and called that homer 30 seconds before it went out. And she's saying she wasn't listening to me. I think she's just pissed the sawx best two starters just got beat!!
2007-08-29 18:51:58
272.   ChrisS
well a three run lead is plenty for Krazy Kyle to work with ... or is it?
2007-08-29 18:52:16
273.   OldYanksFan
ARod with ANOTHER linedrive over the SS's head.
2007-08-29 18:52:38
274.   Zack
271 Easy now, Farns still has to pitch...
2007-08-29 18:53:11
275.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
if they can sweep against George W. Schilling tomorrow it will be the perfect celebratory Friday...
2007-08-29 18:53:33
276.   Zack
What exactly defines "of late' in terms of Gagne pitching "better?"
2007-08-29 18:53:34
277.   williamnyy23
Arod has caught the Big Hurt...nice.
2007-08-29 18:53:43
278.   3rd gen yankee fan
yeaaaaaaah two out ralleeees two out ralleeees...
2007-08-29 18:54:19
279.   Mattpat11
What is that shithead doing?
2007-08-29 18:55:31
280.   ny2ca2dc
Why not pinch hit betemit here
2007-08-29 18:55:32
281.   ChrisS
278 part of which is why the Yankees have 17 base runners and only 4 runs. They've started every inning with at least 1 out.
2007-08-29 18:55:34
282.   Mattpat11
276 Same thing that constitutes Worthless being so totally awesome. The immediate past.
2007-08-29 18:55:41
283.   monkeypants
And Phillips bats...Oh the humor of it all!
2007-08-29 18:55:51
284.   uburoisc
God, I can't stand Beckett's little soul patch thing; grow a beard or don't for Chrissake.
2007-08-29 18:56:04
285.   ny2ca2dc
276 anything is better than he was going. Even Farnsworth level
2007-08-29 18:56:08
286.   C2Coke
278 issssssss definaaaately the beeeeeest.
2007-08-29 18:56:23
287.   ChrisS
280 or Duncan.
2007-08-29 18:56:42
288.   monkeypants
280 No, no no. You need to PH duncan here, then PR Betemit for him.
2007-08-29 18:57:25
289.   ny2ca2dc
288 Good enough for me
2007-08-29 18:57:36
290.   Schteeve
alright you guys, I have to leave the office now. It should take me 21 minutes to get home and sign back on. DO NOT let the Yankees blow this lead in that time. Got it?
2007-08-29 18:57:48
291.   williamnyy23
No Betemit against a right hander?
2007-08-29 18:58:03
292.   OldYanksFan
I'm scared he won't, but I THINK ARod will stay with the Yankees. He's going to break so many records over the next years... doing so as a Yankee will have greater meaning. I think he knows this.

Plus, the press has been pretty quiet (relatively) this year. He has shut them up.

Cashman should take a walk with ARod after the season, and show him exactly where his monument will be.

2007-08-29 18:58:18
293.   OldYanksFan
Giambi up?
2007-08-29 18:59:08
294.   williamnyy23
292 Not plaque...momument...I like that idea.
2007-08-29 18:59:43
295.   Zack
Of course Timlin has a camo glove, of course...
2007-08-29 19:00:14
296.   Zack
292 Of course, it won't be in THIS stadium...
2007-08-29 19:00:51
297.   C2Coke
290 Got it! And lucky you to work that close from home.
2007-08-29 19:00:54
298.   Zack
Good thing Andy was batting there...
2007-08-29 19:01:57
299.   DougP
292 Right next to Derek Jeter's? Not sure which way that cuts.
2007-08-29 19:02:45
300.   ny2ca2dc
297 290 Seriously, 21 minutes. even at 10pm, don't mock us
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2007-08-29 19:03:04
301.   Zack
299 I think the key would be "much much bigger than Derek Jeter's"
2007-08-29 19:03:07
302.   JeremyM
Timlin had nothing, and Phillips did nothing with it.
2007-08-29 19:03:40
303.   Zack
Dear God could John Madden look any scarier and have any more necks?
2007-08-29 19:03:57
304.   Zack
Ok, I can't really watch
2007-08-29 19:04:23
305.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
Noooooooo........Farnsworth vs. Ortiz????
2007-08-29 19:04:30
306.   OldYanksFan
I think 600 HRs deserves a monument, no? 700? 800? I mean this guy is SERIOUS talent.
2007-08-29 19:04:41
307.   Mattpat11
There ya go Kyle.
2007-08-29 19:05:07
308.   Chyll Will
Vintage K
2007-08-29 19:05:27
309.   Zack
Just walk him, you know you want to anyway
2007-08-29 19:05:28
310.   Chyll Will
Vintage K
2007-08-29 19:05:29
311.   OldYanksFan
Farnsworth being Farnsworth.
2007-08-29 19:05:44
312.   williamnyy23
306 If he retires as a Yankee, Arod will merit the Babe/Joe D./Mantle treatment for sure.
2007-08-29 19:06:30
313.   Zack
You know Papi is hurting when he can only pop up a fat farnsworth FB
2007-08-29 19:06:45
314.   williamnyy23
I'm still not sold on Kyle, but why did it take him 5 months to find 97 mph?
2007-08-29 19:06:48
315.   DougP
301 That could be the difference between A-Rod staying and going.
2007-08-29 19:07:13
316.   monkeypants
306 Yeah, except he hit about 360 for other teams. Now, if he gets to 700 with the Yanks, we can talk...
2007-08-29 19:07:24
317.   C2Coke
311 Well, Manny is not here to be Manny.
2007-08-29 19:07:51
318.   Eirias
Farnsworth has the same ERA over the past seven innings as Chamberlain.
2007-08-29 19:07:52
319.   Chyll Will
See, this is where that pitch would have been right. Yep, Krazy Mixed-Up Kyle...
2007-08-29 19:08:24
320.   Zack
If A-Rod does walk, it would be really interesting to see who he would go into the hall as--Seattle I guess? Or whomever he moves on to?

Damn you Lowell and Farns!

2007-08-29 19:08:33
321.   williamnyy23
What's the deal with Lowell?
2007-08-29 19:08:41
322.   rsmith51
Lowell and Tek are Yankee killers, I guess a single up the middle is expected.
2007-08-29 19:08:54
323.   C2Coke
314 I thought he's always had 97 mph. Isn't it the stirke zone he can't find?
2007-08-29 19:08:57
324.   Zack
God damn you Fanrsworth
2007-08-29 19:09:02
325.   Mattpat11
Well, everything's back to normal.
2007-08-29 19:09:04
326.   Eirias
218 That is no longer true. I apologize for the jinx.
2007-08-29 19:09:15
327.   rsmith51
Crap! Mo for 5 outs?
2007-08-29 19:09:15
328.   Zack
If that enough Joe? really, do you still trust him??
2007-08-29 19:09:15
329.   tommyl
Hey look, Kyle sucks. Who's surprised?
2007-08-29 19:09:22
330.   williamnyy23
Welcome back Kyle Farnsworth...what do you think about that Joe?
2007-08-29 19:09:32
331.   monkeypants
320 Whoever the Hall decides, in theory.
2007-08-29 19:09:53
332.   Zack
Youkilis hasn't been able to hit anything for the past three months, but along comes Kyle!
2007-08-29 19:09:59
333.   Mr OK Jazz TOKYO
I can't even comment...!@#$%^&*()+!

Bring in Mo NOW!!!!!!

2007-08-29 19:10:02
334.   Chyll Will
Well, A-Rod coming through last inning was... ahem...
2007-08-29 19:10:26
335.   Chyll Will
Well, A-Rod coming through last inning was... ahem...
2007-08-29 19:10:28
336.   BklynBmr
WTF were all those arms raised in left for that HR?
2007-08-29 19:10:29
337.   Mattpat11
326 it was bound to happen. Kyle is not good.
2007-08-29 19:10:31
338.   williamnyy23
It's funny...after all the changes and five months of baseball...we are still sitting here watch Joe let Kyle turn wins into losses. Incredible.
2007-08-29 19:10:34
339.   monkeypants
A-Rod's HR the difference now, and Torre's PR for Giambi backfires AGAIN.

Maybe there need to be a few more 'rules.'

2007-08-29 19:10:35
340.   Zack
Jesus, Joe, Keyle, don't do this to us
2007-08-29 19:11:33
341.   tommyl
332 Youk has been heating up as of late to be fair. But Kyle still sucks, a lot.
2007-08-29 19:11:51
342.   uburoisc
Regarding A-Rod, does 150 for 5 sound about right?
2007-08-29 19:12:25
343.   Chyll Will
I don't double-post for months... making up for lost time I guess...
2007-08-29 19:13:09
344.   rsmith51
Lowell and Youkliss got pitches right down the middle. Farns needs to stay away from there.
2007-08-29 19:13:18
345.   Zack
341 Chicago doesn't count, and take out that series, and his #s for August are horrifying...
2007-08-29 19:13:24
346.   Mattpat11
Does Hinske think that looks good?
2007-08-29 19:13:56
347.   williamnyy23
Amazing...the team battles hard for 7 innings and Joe single handedly puts the team in the position to lose. That's how managers make a difference.
2007-08-29 19:15:21
348.   tommyl
Way to go Kyle. 2 walks and a HR in 0.2 innings of work.
2007-08-29 19:15:25
349.   Zack
And now Joe can say that "he had" to use Mariano for more than one inning
2007-08-29 19:15:28
350.   C2Coke
343 Just like what Farns is doing come to think of it.
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2007-08-29 19:16:03
351.   monkeypants
A well earned hold.
2007-08-29 19:16:34
352.   williamnyy23
What I wouldn't do to be a beat reporter after this game and get to ask Torre to explain why continuing to let Farnsworth be awful is helping the team.
2007-08-29 19:16:48
353.   rsmith51
I thought Farns had turned a corner. I would say he ran into a couple good hitters but...
2007-08-29 19:16:48
354.   Mattpat11
I think Kay might cry.
2007-08-29 19:17:00
355.   Chyll Will
344 See that mound of dirt out there in the middle of the infield? Farns needs to stay away from there
2007-08-29 19:17:40
356.   ny2ca2dc
347 Who would you have had in for the 8th?
2007-08-29 19:18:13
357.   BklynBmr
347 HeyZuse H. F'nChrist! Enough already...
2007-08-29 19:18:17
358.   monkeypants
Now, how about this. If Mo finishes the game successfully, is he available tomorrow, or is Joba the closer for the next game? Would you pitch him for the 8th and 9th tomorrow, depending on the score?
2007-08-29 19:18:30
359.   Mattpat11
353 I could have told you.

Mainly because I don't believe in this corner bullshit.

2007-08-29 19:19:06
360.   williamnyy23
347 Viz for 2 innings...but if that wasn't an option, Britton or Edwar. Relying on Farnsworth in a big spot is suicide. If this game gets away, it'll be yet another Torre loss.
2007-08-29 19:19:13
361.   Mattpat11
352 And then march up to Cashman and ask him to give a good reason why Farnsworth is still on this team.
2007-08-29 19:19:48
362.   tommyl
And that Kyle is why you suck and Mo is the greatest relief pitcher in history.
2007-08-29 19:20:39
363.   williamnyy23
362 Not only does he give up two runs, but he now puts Ortiz in a position to be the winning run.
2007-08-29 19:20:52
364.   Mattpat11
360 Am I the only one who really doesn't think Edwar has been very good?
2007-08-29 19:21:07
365.   C2Coke
358 Sounds really good to me, but how does it sound to Torre?
2007-08-29 19:21:10
366.   tommyl
353 That ball to the backstop in the first AB told you all you needed to know. He's amped up, he's overthrowing and he can't adjust. Notice how Joba calmed himself down last night. Kyle is not a pitcher, he just rears back and throws really hard.
2007-08-29 19:21:45
367.   ny2ca2dc
360 There are very few, if any, ML managers that would've gone to Britton or Edwar there - and Edwar, as we know, gives up bombs... I think this is overkilling the Torre blame, my friend.

362 yes. yes in so many ways.

2007-08-29 19:21:52
368.   monkeypants
360 Right..if you are willing to use Mo in the 8th anyway, you can afford to start the inning with another pitcher (maybe Britton with a three run lead, or go back to Viz), and go to Rivera if he gets into trouble.
2007-08-29 19:21:53
369.   tommyl
358 Can't pitch 2 tomorrow. He needs a day off previously for every inning he pitches and then the same number off afterwards.
2007-08-29 19:21:56
370.   DougP
360 Gotta say I wouldn't be comfortable with Britton or Edwar in that situation.
2007-08-29 19:21:59
371.   Zack
I woulda pitched edwar/britton for the 7th and Viz for the 8th figuring that the better part of the order would be up, ergo, your better pitcher.

358 All depends on the game. Most of the BP will be somewhat tired. I'd do Viz for another 1 and Joba for 1

2007-08-29 19:22:45
372.   C2Coke
358 On second thought, the better the scenario is that Wang goes 8 and Joba in the 9th, no?
2007-08-29 19:22:59
373.   ny2ca2dc
363 It's Hinskie then Lugo, then Pedrioa next inning, right - so no Oritiz if Mo goes 123
2007-08-29 19:23:43
374.   seattleyank
Does Robbie get fined every time he takes the first pitch?
2007-08-29 19:24:30
375.   williamnyy23
367 I'm sorry, but anytime Farnsworth is used in a key situation it's a gaffe. Add that to allowing Phillips to make an out with men on base and you get another example of Torre mismanaging the end game. Did you agree with both moves?
2007-08-29 19:24:37
376.   C2Coke
374 Man, I hope he does.
2007-08-29 19:25:09
377.   monkeypants
369 Are you sure that's the way it works? I thought it was just one day off after for each inning pitched. Are you being sarcastic?
2007-08-29 19:26:00
378.   williamnyy23
I thought Francona did us a favor leaving Timlin in against 3 lefties, but I guess not. That move is as bad as Krazy Kyle, but it paid off.
2007-08-29 19:27:38
379.   Zack
COme on mo!
2007-08-29 19:30:14
380.   ny2ca2dc
375 see 280 . Torre loss is not pitching Mo in a tie game on the road on day, then pitching him in garbage time the next day to get him some work (Giants series). this hardly rises to the level. I get your sentiment bud, but think an outright blaming the manager for if this were it a loss would be a stretch, is all. This is more just the results of having a mostly shitty bullpen.
2007-08-29 19:30:22
381.   OldYanksFan
364 I agree. He's fun, but not the answer. I think he will be very HR prone.
2007-08-29 19:31:49
382.   Zack
Perfectlly reasonable time to cut away to a sportscenter
2007-08-29 19:32:07
383.   williamnyy23
380 I completely's about a manager who can't divorce himself from Farnsworth.
2007-08-29 19:32:23
384.   Chyll Will
one more!
2007-08-29 19:33:04
385.   Mattpat11
From Lohud

UPDATE, 10:16 p.m.: This is where one pitch changs so much. Farnsworth's wildness forced Mo into the game for a four-out save. He threw only 14 pitches yesterday, but these extra pitches could mean he's not available for the day game tomorrow.

This really is Farnsworth in a nutshell. Not only does he suck when he pitches, but he's a hindrance on the entire team. And his useless ass can't even pitch tomorrow.

2007-08-29 19:33:20
386.   monkeypants
How did Lugo even make contact with that?

And yes, the replay confirms that he does run funny.

2007-08-29 19:33:49
387.   Mattpat11
383 Its about an entire organization that refuses to divorce itself from Farnsworth.
2007-08-29 19:34:51
388.   Zack
2007-08-29 19:35:06
389.   OldYanksFan
HA! Farnsworth with an IMPORTANT hold!
2007-08-29 19:35:26
390.   C2Coke
380 I agree with you except the only reliever who's entirely shitty is the one just pitched before Mo the Man.
2007-08-29 19:35:28
391.   williamnyy23
What a play by Mo...yet again, Rivera saves the day and makes all mistakes go away.
2007-08-29 19:35:29
392.   monkeypants
2007-08-29 19:35:36
393.   Mattpat11
Sportsline is ahead of me on TV. It gave away the game for me.
2007-08-29 19:35:43
394.   Zack
Ok Wanger, you are you up for another 8 innings?
2007-08-29 19:35:47
395.   seamus
there it is! Nice to have Mo back!
2007-08-29 19:35:49
396.   Chyll Will
Mo!! Scaring the shyt out of Andy! Ah, now for SpongeBob and bedtime >;)
2007-08-29 19:36:35
397.   Mattpat11
For all the talk of Boston winning five of the first six, the Yankees have won six of the last eight.
2007-08-29 19:36:36
398.   OldYanksFan
387 Really? How many managers of the 30 would rather have Britton or Slim in there, considering Farns has 7 scoreless IPs? Yes, I know he sucks, but there's a reason there are 25 guys on a team.
2007-08-29 19:36:40
399.   Zack
And ESPN cuts immediately to sportscenter, which starts by kissing Beckett's ass
2007-08-29 19:37:53
400.   C2Coke
Turns out that solo homer I hesitated to accept is what made the difference.
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2007-08-29 19:37:57
401.   Mattpat11
399 No.


2007-08-29 19:37:58
402.   ny2ca2dc
399 He of the bajillion hits allowed...

Anyone else notice the felating of Hinskie approached the Cairo love level

2007-08-29 19:39:52
403.   OldYanksFan
NESN headline:
ARod leads the Yankees to a win over Boston.
The Sox will go after ARod HARD if the Yankees don't resign him.
ARod might bat .350 in Fenway park.
2007-08-29 19:39:53
404.   Chyll Will
398 Just curious... how many of those innings have been holds in pressure situations?
2007-08-29 19:40:05
405.   Mattpat11
398 I've said all along that managers in baseball aren't all that different from each other. If you replace Torre, someone else will just follow the baseball playbook and put Worthless out there.

I just can't find a way to justify Worthless' presence on this team.

2007-08-29 19:42:15
406.   OldYanksFan
404 The guy sucks, but managers use all 25 guys. That's just the way it works.
405 I guess you know something the other 30 managers don't.
2007-08-29 19:42:19
407.   Mattpat11
I saw the headline "Two former Sox give Yankees lift over Boston" and couldn't imagine who the other man was for like 45 seconds.
2007-08-29 19:43:02
408.   monkeypants
402 Well Hinske has been a whole lot more valuable than Cairo was. Now, whether that warrants fellatio...
2007-08-29 19:43:51
409.   Mattpat11
406 Yes. Kyle Farnsworth is awful. I'll give them that information for free.

I keep saying I don't blame Torre for this. I blame the organization for keeping this lug for two years now for no good reason.

2007-08-29 19:44:20
410.   BklynBmr
385 How many pitches tonight? Please...

399 ESPN is to sports fans what AOL is to Internet users.

2007-08-29 19:44:41
411.   williamnyy23
404 The last three games were high leverage, but the rest were garbage time.
2007-08-29 19:47:45
412.   JeremyM
Awesome win, a sweep would be sweet!
2007-08-29 19:48:20
413.   Chyll Will
406 Tell that to Tony LaRussa...

411 Thanks. All in all, it was bound to happen, which is likely everyone's point?

2007-08-29 19:50:42
414.   Mattpat11
Sportsline's players of the game are Rivera and Beckett

The hell?

2007-08-29 19:51:46
415.   monkeypants
Now, things can all change in a day or two. But where are all the handwringers who just a few days ago announced the season over, lost to the unbetable Mariners?
2007-08-29 19:52:26
416.   seamus
414 don't you know that Beckett's 3 runs and 11+ hits were more impressive than Clemens 1 run on 2 hits.
2007-08-29 19:52:50
417.   Mattpat11
The only place we can get Peter Gammons pack of lies and half baked speculation is Baseball Tonight.

Well I need to Tivo this more often.

2007-08-29 20:08:06
418.   yankz
Boy am I pissed I missed this one.
2007-08-29 20:08:41
419.   yankz
Great to see another XBH from Captain.
2007-08-29 20:09:41
420.   yankz
301 What the fuck?
2007-08-29 20:14:04
421.   Chyll Will
421 That's not what he meant. G'nite >;)
2007-08-29 20:15:12
422.   Chyll Will
421 (hiccup) 420
2007-08-29 20:37:21
423.   yankz
421 Yeah, I got it. But I couldn't resist.

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