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2007-08-21 21:51
by Cliff Corcoran
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Hide this one from the kids.

The Yankees scored five runs in the first three innings last night against Kelvim Escobar, but it didn't much matter. Mike Mussina, who was throwing 86-mile-per-hour fastballs and an assortment of hanging curveballs, didn't make it out of the second inning, and Ron Villone, who replaced him, only managed to record one out.

Mussina put the Yanks in a 7-1 hole after two. The Yanks rallied to make it 7-5 heading into the bottom of the third, but Villone, who got the final out of the second in relief of Mussina, loaded the bases with none out then walked in the eighth Angel run. Looking to keep his team in the game on the heels of their rally, Joe Torre called on Edwar Ramirez to minimize the damage. It was a gutsy move, and it almost paid off. Hideki Matsui ran down an Orlando Cabrera drive tailing toward the left field corner to turn a would be extra-base hit into a sac fly for the first out. Ramirez struck out Vlad Guerrero for the second out, but then he fell in love with his changeup against Garrett Anderson. Anderson took the first three changeups to get ahead 2-1, swung over the fourth, then parked the fifth in the left field seats for a three-run homer that made it 12-5 and put the game back out of reach.

Ramirez allowed another run in the fourth, though he did strike out four men in his two innings of work, including Guerrero twice. Sean Henn then came on to take one for the team, allowing five more runs in the sixth, the capper being a Garret Anderson grand slam that gave Anderson a franchise record ten RBIs on the night. The Yankees got four consolation runs off rookie reliever Marcus Gwyn in the top of the ninth on homers by Wilson Betemit, a three-run shot, and Alex Rodriguez, his second solo shot of the game and third tater of the series, to put the final score at 18-9.

Mussina's start (1 2/3 IP, 7 R) was his worst in his seven years with the Yankees and one of just four starts in his 17-year major league career in which he failed to complete two innings. Mussina is now 0-6 in seven starts following Yankee losses this season. The most impressive part of Mussina's night was that he faced the media after the game and offered no excuses.

And so the Yankees are four games behind the Wild Card-leading Mariners in the loss column. The good news? They've got their ace, Andy Pettitte, going tonight followed by a day off.

2007-08-22 00:41:08
1.   rabid stan
You must be a very nice guy, Cliff, to show such restraint.

From the title of the post, I expected a profanity-laced rant and a graphic description of how you would murder Ron Villone.

But I see that the advisory was necessary, since a factual recap of the game is ugly enough.

I'm not going to watch tomorrow's game, and hereby swear off all other regular season Yanks/Angels games until the Yanks take a season series from them.

Four years is enough. By 2009, I expect to be watching these games again.

2007-08-22 04:10:21
2.   rufuswashere
Without being overly emotional (hard after a drubbing like that), I will write this just to reassure myself that the season is not over.

1) Seattle must be considered the real deal (even though they're doing it with smoke and mirrors).

2) That Cleveland and Detroit are most likely fighting it out for the Division, not the WC.

3) That it would take some sort of miracle to win the East.

4) That we still have a decent chance of making the post-season via the WC.

Thank you, I feel better now.

2007-08-22 04:34:36
3.   ChrisS
I think we've seen enough of Mike Mussina to justify not paying him a lot of money to stink up the rotation next year.

Edwar, Edwar ...

2007-08-22 04:41:33
4.   rbj
I haven't seen any of these Angels - Yankees games. That means they didn't happen, right?
2007-08-22 05:07:47
5.   Yankee Fan In Boston
yesterday i was trying to defend the yankees when commenter Mike T said that they were afraid of the angels.

i take it all back.

it may not be fear precisely, but perhaps Mike T was onto something.

please accept my apologies, sir.

dang it... we needed 2 of three...

2007-08-22 05:19:11
6.   3rd gen yankee fan
0 2.5 games back of Seattle...
2007-08-22 05:22:01
7.   Rob Middletown CT
Brutal. The offense scores 15 runs in two games and both are losses.

Garret Anderson is bad. As in he hasn't been any good for 4 years. But against Yankee pitching, he's a minor diety.


2007-08-22 05:23:21
8.   vockins
6 Four back in the loss column, like he wrote.
2007-08-22 05:31:29
9.   Shaun P
Where's the guy who questioned the other day how we could possibly dislike or even hate the Angels?

This, sir, is why. It makes no logical sense, because our team crapped the bed for sure, but these kind of mind-numbing frustrating games always seem to happen against the Angels.

Free Chris Britton?

2007-08-22 05:48:20
10.   Knuckles
Only good thing about the gap b/w games back and the loss column w/ regards to Seattle is the M's need to make up at least a game or two with Cleveland, who will probably be playing for something, rather than going thru the motions on a random makeup game.

I'm going to bed at 10 tonight to make sure I don't watch any of the game. The last 2 nights have been beyond brutal, and I fear for my direct reports' psyche at work the day after latenight debacles like these.

2007-08-22 05:48:31
11.   Sliced Bread
Our Moose is cooked.

Recipes for the following dishes can be easily obtained via a routine Google search:

Moose Roast, Sauerkraut Moose Balls, Moose Hoagies, Teriyaki Moose Kabobs, Moose Parmesan, Moose Pot Pie, Moose Chili, Moose Stew, Moose Stroganoff, Moose & Tomato, Braised Moose, Moose Pemmican, and last but not least (I kid you not)... Moose Nose In Jelly.

2007-08-22 05:53:57
12.   Yankee Fan In Boston
11 hilarious.

you weren't kidding about the jellied moose nose, either.

sounds yummy.

2007-08-22 06:01:53
13.   unpopster
From here are in, EVERY game is a must win. Therefore, Mussina must not start another game for the Yanks for the remainder of this year. I don't know who takes his place but whoever it is can't pitch much worse.

Maybe, just maybe, in the offseason Moose will learn to pitch like Glavine or Maddux, but right now his 85mph fastballs and hanging curves are living in the middle of the plate. And, that my fiends is a RECIPE (see 11 ) for an October-less season.

2007-08-22 06:14:25
14.   AbbyNormal821
11 Brilliant. I'm being taken to Benihana for some hibachi this weekend, so I'll see if they serve that Teriyaki Moose. Mmmmm, wash that down with a Sapporo beer and deeeeelish!
2007-08-22 06:19:12
15.   Yankee Fan In Boston
last week there was mention of the book of poetry taken from phil rizzuto's broadcasts.

i just saw a similar thing over at the new yorker, this time with excerpts from joe dimaggio's diaries.

"Searching through the couch
Something caught in the cushions
Lookee there, a dime."

2007-08-22 06:31:55
16.   Sliced Bread
14 If you prefer something less gamey than Moose, try the Shank of Ron Veallone.
Osso Pukeo.
2007-08-22 06:35:51
17.   spufi2007
OK, great, so by some miracle we make it to the postseason.

Then, we get to face who? The Angels.

Ooh, can't wait.

2007-08-22 06:37:23
18.   AbbyNormal821
16 I think they serve that at the sushi bar!
2007-08-22 06:45:08
19.   rsmith51
Maybe Seattle will overtake the Angels, no thanks to the Yanks.

Maybe the Yanks overtake the Angels, somehow.

A fan can dream...

2007-08-22 07:08:57
20.   mehmattski
11 I think I'll settle for a Sean Cornish Game Henn (too easy?).
2007-08-22 07:15:38
21.   pwicked
Slip slidin' away... We score our normal post all-star break 7+ rpg and lose two... All streaks come to an end eventually. The post season streak is just one of them. Oh well, on the bright side of life, hockey starts Oct 3rd. Sorry Rangers fans... GO 'CANES!!!
2007-08-22 07:16:45
22.   Sliced Bread
20 Too easy? 3 pointer!
2007-08-22 07:22:02
23.   dianagramr
But Moose still does a mean NY Times crossword in record time!

But seriously, I think Mussina's pride might take over and he'll call it a career after season's end.

2007-08-22 07:48:41
24.   pistolpete
I turned it on at 5-1, switched over to TBIB.

Came back it was 7-1, went to make my lunch for today. Got finished with that and they had closed to 7-5. At that point I thought we might have a shot.

Then there was Villone. ::shudder::

I stayed up late enough to see poor Edwar taken deep, and then I knew I'd be getting more sleep than usual during a West Coast game.

So what's the deal with Moose's contract? Is 2008 an option year or...? I sure wish he had a few more stinkers before last night, though - Joba could have slid right in there as the #3 starter.

2007-08-22 07:57:34
25.   JL25and3
23 Actually, I've read that Moose rarely does the Times crossword - he sticks to USA Today. I lost a lot of respect for him when I read that.

There's pride, and then there's pride. I see Mussina as having more of the Steve Carlton sort of pride. He may well think that if the ump would just give him a pitch or two, or if he could get a little better feel on his fastball, everything would turn around.

3 The Yankees don't really have that choice. No matter what happens, they're paying Mussina a lot of money. Difficult as he is, I don't know if he'll accept a trade. The only other choice is to release him, and I don't know if the Yankees would be willing to pay his entire salary (minus ML minimum) to pitch for someone else, with nothing in return.

Besides, he'd be walking away from $11.25M. That's a whole lot of pride.

2007-08-22 08:01:45
26.   JL25and3
13 The alternative would probably be Kei Igawa. Are you OK with that?

That also begs the question of what you do with Mussina.

2007-08-22 08:05:35
27.   spufi2007
Moose 2007: 8-9, 5.22 ERA. Gettin' better with every start...or not.

The Angels are our daddy.

2007-08-22 08:11:51
28.   pistolpete
23 Nah, he's too stubborn.
2007-08-22 08:14:56
29.   Ken Arneson
11 I have actually eaten a Moose Taco.

2007-08-22 08:26:21
30.   Mattpat11
26 I'll send Mike Mussina out there 50 times before I ever put Kei Igawa in a Yankee uniform again.
2007-08-22 08:28:48
31.   ny2ca2dc
Oh boy, this would've upset Jim Dean, wasn't Carter someone he hoped the Yanks would've gotten for Unit? From Boston Globe:

The Sox, as expected, acquired first baseman Chris Carter from the Nationals as the player to be named later in the Wily Mo Peña deal. The Nationals sent a minor league pitcher, Emiliano Fruto, to Arizona for Carter, who was assigned to Boston's Pawtucket roster. Carter, a 17th-round draft pick out of Stanford in 2004, is regarded for his bat -- he was hitting .324 with 18 home runs and 84 RBIs in 126 games for Tucson, Arizona's Triple A affiliate -- but has major defensive shortcomings both at first base and in the outfield. "I watched him play first base, and popups gave him a lot of trouble," said one big league scout. "I can't imagine him playing the outfield. He's going to the right league -- he can be a DH in the American League.

2007-08-22 08:30:32
32.   yankz
Chone Figgins: The most annoying career 100 OPS+ player ever.
2007-08-22 08:36:46
33.   pwicked
32 Chone Figgins... I guess all the good names were taken.
2007-08-22 08:54:14
34.   Mike T
5 No sweat.
2007-08-22 08:56:53
35.   dianagramr

I prefer Mousaka to Moose Taco

2007-08-22 09:00:00
36.   dianagramr

ocd: Moussaka

2007-08-22 09:04:21
37.   Ken Arneson
35 The Moose Taco was actually quite good. I was living in Sweden at the time (1988), and really missing Mexican food. So when some people came over to visit us from the US, we told them to bring some tortillas and taco mix. Then we went to the store to find some meat, and found that the ground moose was on sale. Next thing you know--moose tacos.
2007-08-22 09:05:19
38.   debris
15 The book is called "Oh Holy Cow," and is still available. A blow in sheet (stating which of Phil's favorite charities were receiving his royalties) suggests that the book was published with Phil's blessings. Whatever shortcomings the Scooter may have had as a broadcaster, he was not lacking in either heart or sense of humor.
2007-08-22 09:06:39
39.   yankz
Chone Figgins: League Average players:: Miguel Cairo: .260 hitters. Just the best.
2007-08-22 09:08:40
40.   Simone
I hate that Steve Phillips may be right. He keeps saying that the Yankees won't make the playoffs because of their pitching and the Yankees are proving him right. It is incredible that the offense is scoring all these runs against the Angels and the Yankees have no victories.
2007-08-22 09:12:28
41.   JL25and3
33 D'Brickshaw must have been on line behind him.
2007-08-22 09:19:11
42.   dianagramr
Take a number behind this guy ...

2007-08-22 09:34:11
43.   Bama Yankee
42 and then there's this guy...

2007-08-22 09:36:13
44.   JL25and3
43 Wasn't she in a James Bond movie?
2007-08-22 09:42:25
45.   Zack
31 I really really really just don't get it. I mean, the Nationals really suck and don't know how to run a team/minor league system, but the Sox were literally GIVING Pena away, so what do the Nationals do? Trade from their barren system for a "decent" prospect and then give him to the Sox. For a guy they have no use for. I just don't get it.
2007-08-22 09:45:50
46.   Zack
Craphonso could very well be one of the worst names ever
2007-08-22 10:02:46
47.   C2Coke
11 I am glad the Banter has figured out what to do with our Moose. At least something good has came out of last night's game.
2007-08-22 10:51:04
48.   3rd gen yankee fan
8 Duh, sorry, not enough coffee.
2007-08-22 11:09:41
49.   ny2ca2dc
45 I have to root for these guys, believe me, it's maddening. At least the stadium next year will be sweet... And there's always Zimmerman, he's a likeable lad.
2007-08-22 11:17:18
50.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
40 Those fearsome Mariners getting pounded today by Minnesota, 8-0 in the 4th.

Despite last night, and despite Steve "It's a wonder that he still knows how to breathe" Phillips prognosticating, I'll take our pitching over theirs. And as for their offense compared to ours . . .

Mariners lose, I think maybe the Rays can pull one out as well tonight (they've beaten Dice 2x in the past 3 weeks), and we win behind Andy and Joba, which I think we will, and all of a sudden things don't look so dire.

Imagine that.

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