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Catch A Tiger By The Tail
2007-08-18 20:23
by Cliff Corcoran
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The day after his best bud Andy Pettitte broke the Yankees' three-game losing streak by shutting down the Tigers over eight innings, Rocket Clemens turned it into a winning streak with six strong frames of his own. As has been his way this season, Clemens used up a lot of pitches and gave up a fair number of hits, but he clamped down with runners on base yesterday afternoon, didn't walk anyone, and used a particularly crisp and accurate fastball to rack up eight strikeouts, four of them coming with runners on base.

One of those strikeouts started an extremely rare 2-1 double play in the third inning. With one out, rookie Cameron Maybin on first via his first major league hit, a groundball through Robinson Cano's vacated second base position on a hit-and-run play, and Brandon Inge on third, Marcus Thames battled Clemens to a full count. Maybin took off on the next pitch, which Thames swung through for Clemens' sixth strikeout of the game (91 mph fastball up and in). Jorge Posada then fired to second, but Clemens cut the ball off and charged Inge, who had taken off for home when Posada released the ball. Inge was a dead duck as Clemens applied the tag for the final out. According to the FOX broadcast, the last time a runner was caught stealing by a throw to the pitcher was a whopping 21 years ago, when the Cardinals Vince Coleman was nabbed by the Giants Bob Melvin and Juan Berenguer in the fifth inning of this game (note how the play-by-play differs from the play in the second inning of this game, on which a runner was thrown out at home trying to advance on a wild pitch with the pitcher covering the plate), and even that wasn't a double play. I find it both difficult to believe and very disappointing that no pitcher has caught a runner by cutting the throw from his catcher with runners on the corners and the man on first stealing second in 21 years. I am, however, encouraged by the fact that, in this case, the play was entirely premeditated as Posada and Clemens had conferenced at the mound before the previous pitch.

Despite nailing Inge (and nail him he did, Clemens almost knocked Inge into the Tiger dugout with the tag) and stranding eight other men, Clemens left the game trailing Detroit. In the fourth, Clemens got into a one-out, bases loaded jam and escaped after allowing only one run on a sac fly. In the fifth, the rookie Maybin led off the inning by hitting what looked like either a lame splitter up in the zone or a rare curveball (Clemens' fourth if not fifth best pitch) to dead center for his first major league homer and just second career hit. The Yankees, meanwhile, had managed just one run off quadruple-A journeyman Chad Durbin, who was making just his third start since mid-June.

Durbin allowed just three hits and a walk through the first five innings, one of those hits being a solo Jorge Posada homer to the retired numbers in the second inning. He then allowed three more hits to start the sixth, including a two-run Bobby Abreu tater off the left field foul pole that would give Clemens the win. The Yanks then scratched out two more in that inning against relievers Tim Byrdak and Jason Grilli and shut the door with Farnsworth, Vizcaino, and Rivera each pitching a scoreless inning to wrap up the 5-2 win.

For what it's worth, Farnsworth looked as good in the seventh inning yesterday as I've seen him all year. It took him ten pitches to get leadoff hitter Sean Casey to fly out, but he came back from that to strike out Gary Sheffield and Magglio Ordoñez, the two most dangerous hitters in the Detroit lineup, on a total of eight pitches, finishing both off with high heat in the upper 90s. The last pitch to Ordoñez was 98 mph, but the third strike to Sheffield was the most exciting as it was 97 miles per hour and literally head-high. In his last four outings, Farnsworth has allowed just one baserunner, no hits, and struck out five in four scoreless innings. That's his best multi-game stretch of the season.

The Yanks look to take the series this afternoon in a matchup of excellent young pitchers who have struggled of late. Chien-Ming Wang has allowed 20 baserunners and 13 runs in his last two starts totaling just 8 2/3 innings. Most of that was his disaster outing in Toronto, but his last start was one of just three others in which he's allowed five or more runs this season. Jeremy Bonderman was actually excellent in his last start in Cleveland (7 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 BB, 8 K), but before that he put together a 11.28 ERA across his previous four, all losses. Like Wang, most of that damage came in a single disaster start (Bonderman's came in Anaheim), but he still posted an 8.10 ERA in the remaining three starts from that rough patch.

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2007-08-18 21:37:09
1.   Mattpat11

Don't praise Worthless. Someone might hear you.

2007-08-18 21:47:25
2.   Shaun P
I still can't believe KF struck out Sheff AND Mags. Or that the Angels blew their 5-0 lead.
2007-08-18 21:49:00
3.   nemecizer
Cliff, excellent details. I was at the game with my 2 brothers today and we saw the Clemens play. In almost 20 years of watching baseball I've never seen anything like that. Everyone in Section 5 was like "WTF just happened, that was cool!" It was a special moment.

It was a good game, and Military Appreciation Day was cool. The parachutists had a bit of trouble hitting their spots because the wind came up just as they were landing, and one had to literally "slide" to land on his feet. The F-18E/F flyover was cool, those suckers are pretty silent even when just overhead. Not as cool as the B2 flyover last year, but still amazing.

All in all a great day at the stadium (with a Peter Luger's dinner afterwards!) Too bad Boston won.

2007-08-18 22:04:53
4.   Cliff Corcoran
3 Good lord, Peter Luger's? Did you have the bacon? Unreal. (as is their hot fudge sundae)

Speaking of which, Shaun, what was the name of your family's bakery in Utica?

2007-08-18 22:16:31
5.   yanster
3 Great yanks game and then Lugers... That's heaven - it really doesn't get any better than that.

By the way, nice wrap. I love the way Joba and Hughes are making the rest of the pitchers self-conscious. Farnswacker has definately taken notice, and I'm glad for him that he has.

I hope great Wang shows up tomorrow - I miss him.

2007-08-18 22:20:25
6.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Seattle keep winning, at this rate, they might actually knock out the Angels. wtf. still though, i think if giving a choice 11 out of 10 Yankee fans would agree they much much rater see Seattle in the playoffs than LAA.
2007-08-18 23:13:48
7.   rilkefan
0 Terminology question - if Posada had arranged the trick with Clemens, is "fired to second, but Clemens cut the ball off" correct?

It looked to me like Clemens did in fact cut off the throw (he had to lunge a bit as I recall), but that he was surprised that Inge was off base.

2007-08-18 23:25:26
8.   rilkefan
Is Wang still throwing mostly sinkers? I've read speculation that he has a fingernail problem which makes it hard for him to throw that pitch.
2007-08-18 23:28:30
9.   Cliff Corcoran
7 When I wrote that he cut it off I was describing the action from the fan's point of view.

Now, with hindsight you can see that Clemens didn't duck the throw or roam too far off the mound. He took one step toward third to get out of the direct line of the throw and reached out and grabbed it. See, the key to the play is convincing Inge Posada's throw is going to second. So to everyone else, he cut it. But to Clemens and Posada, he was supposed to.

2007-08-18 23:31:29
10.   Cliff Corcoran
8 He split his nail early in the season and has been wearing a press-on nail over that to keep it from bothering him. He's mixed in more sliders this season, which has resulted in some extra Ks, but that's more about staying ahead of the league than anything else. Supposedly the fingernail hasn't been that much of a problem, and is something he's dealt with in the past. He's still throwing mostly sinkers.

At least that's the story. Hey, it's only been two bad starts.

2007-08-18 23:35:03
11.   rilkefan
9 Ahh, that's extremely cool, thanks.
2007-08-19 00:28:31
12.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Wang 's last 2 start seem more terrible luck and just tyring a bit too much more than anything else.

he's still throwing strikes and getting most of it on the ground, but trying to be too fine and ended up getting hit a bit harder. combined with too many things finding hole is what's undoing him.

He should match up favorablly with the Tigers though, a no speed team that really go after everything , in YS no less. a favorable matchup.

i think Betemit needs to start for Jeter or something, El Captian's looking pretty bad over the last few games. he needs a rest

2007-08-19 01:05:52
13.   SF Yanks
Farnswhacker's performance tonight actually worried me a bit. The stadium was getting loud and you could see it in Farnsy's face that he wanted to rear back and fire it past Sheff and Magglio. So what's he do? Throws instead of pitches like he always does. Except this time, he got away with it. Everyone in the world new fastballs were coming and that's the problem with him, he wants to blow it by everyone especially in situations like that. So all in all, I think he was lucky he wasn't shelled. Yeah it was fun to watch, but to me, it tells me he hasn't learned much.

Re: Clemens cut-off. I really thought that Clemens just cut it off on his own. Posada rifled the ball and he just stuck his glove out and like rilkefan said, he looked surprised to catch Inge that far off. I have to hear Clemens or Posada say themselves that it was planned before I believe it because it sure didn't look that way. Have they already said it?

Re: Wanger. Yu-HC mentioned that Wanger has been getting the same amount of ground balls in his last two starts compared with all his other starts. I have to disagree, but I'm basing this solely off my memory and not stats. It looked like, in his last two starts, he had given up more flyballs and line drives then ever before. Again, I'd have to check the stats on that, but hopefully someone else can because I'm not good with that website. Was it is,

My two (and a half) cents.

2007-08-19 05:41:53
14.   Cliff Corcoran
13 Torre said in the in-game interview that it was planned. Is that enough for ya?

As for Wang's ground balls, he got lit-up in Toronto, so there's not much to go on there. He only got eight outs, three on Ks, four on double plays (one a line-drive, one a groundball), and the last out on a grounder. In his last start he got 18 outs, two on Ks, five on fly balls, and 11 on grounders including one DP.

Of course, Wang at his best has a 3:1 or better GB to FB ratio

2007-08-19 05:48:17
15.   joejoejoe
Great recap Cliff. I'm amazed that the "pitcher cutting off the throw to second" play hasn't worked in 21 years. I know it's rare but I knew about that play as an option as a catcher in Little League. I would have thought it worked only slightly less often than the "pitcher fakes the throw to the bag, pivots and throws to the other bag" play but I guess it's even more rare. It was a cool play, especially since Clemens putting the firm tag on knocked the baserunner to the ground. Clemens is King Redass.
2007-08-19 06:31:52
16.   mehmattski
Excellent trick-play analysis, Cliff. However you didn't mention a solid performance by Rivera to close out the game (though I acknowledge that the strikeouts by Farnstantinople are more significant). Mostly it would have given you the chance to end the post titled "Catch a tiger by the tail" with "Eeeny Meeny Miney Mo."
2007-08-19 08:08:19
17.   Raf
3 I had a couple of games on Randalls Island, and my teammates and I couldn't figure out why there were fighter jets in the air. We didn't worry too much, as we didn't see any evidence of smoke.

Still kinda freaks you out a bit

2007-08-19 09:12:34
18.   cult of basebaal
from petey at LoHud:

Damon LF
Cabrera CF
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Betemit SS
Phillips 1B
Wang RHP (13-6, 4.09)

Pregame chatter: Derek Jeter is out of the lineup. Joe Torre said yesterday that the shortstop is "pretty banged up" and needs the time. I also suspect Hideki Matsui is more banged up than the Yankees are letting on. This will be the fifth time this month that he has been the DH. Godzilla has two big ice packs on his knees after every game.

2007-08-19 09:16:59
19.   JeremyM
You have to love Pettitte and Clemens coming up with trick plays to get out of trouble spots, like the deal with Phillips sneaking back to pick a runner off first a couple starts ago.
2007-08-19 09:29:22
20.   rilkefan
To slightly confuse matters on the trick play, I've seen differing accounts on whether it was planned from Clemens and Posada. If Torre said it was planned, though, then never mind.
2007-08-19 09:41:37
21.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Would anyone else be more comfortable with Arod at ss, and Betemit at 3rd, especially w/ Wang on the hill?
2007-08-19 09:45:04
22.   Ravenscar
WOW - I wish I'd seen that Clemens caught-stealing play. Does anyone know if there's a highlight somewhere with that included?
2007-08-19 09:46:59
23.   seamus
22 oddly enough the espn highlight video doesn't include it, though ESPN highlighted it on sportscenter.
2007-08-19 09:48:13
24.   Ravenscar
Are a Utica native, Cliff? I'm also interested in the name of that bakery and where it was.
2007-08-19 09:55:47
25.   JeremyM
22 Go to, on the Yankees page, it's in the highlights section there.

21 I agree, but it sounds kind of "controversial" in New York. It'd be a fine move for the Kansas City Royals....

2007-08-19 09:57:40
26.   JeremyM
22 Or, just go this URL:
It's called "Yanks turn rare DP."
2007-08-19 10:07:37
27.   Ravenscar
Arrrrrrgggh wants me to download a new microsoft videoplayer to my MAC. hates macintosh, seriously.

Anyhow, thanks for the links.

2007-08-19 10:08:48
28.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
25 Who cares about "controversy"? I just want Wang's wormburners fielded.

(I guess the Royals are smarter than us then . . .)

2007-08-19 10:11:47
29.   matt nokes forever
Looks like he's got that good bite on the slider today, if that K by Granderson is any indication... A good sign after those last two bad starts.
2007-08-19 10:12:05
30.   JeremyM
28 I agree, but I'm just trying to think like they think. If A-Rod goes out there and makes a bunch of great plays, it's going to be a "story."

Man, I hope Wang brings the goods today.

2007-08-19 10:14:03
31.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Game in Boston starts an hour later.

If our game is short, and the Angels is loooooong, could be an advantage for us tomorrow night. Both teams should be tired after the cross-country trip, but an extra 2-3 hours could help us.

2007-08-19 10:16:55
32.   Mike T
Sheff down on one pitch. Nice.
2007-08-19 10:17:09
33.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Hmmm. 9 pitch ab by Casey. And he gets a pitch he can get in the air.

I don't like that. Especially since he sucks and the next 3 batters, um, don't.

But wait, thank you Sheff!

2007-08-19 10:17:17
34.   matt nokes forever
Nice inning... but K, line-out, pop-out is very un Wanglike...
2007-08-19 10:17:53
35.   JeremyM
Casey's power numbers have sure went down (3 homers this year). Eyeballing certain players, it seems to be the case across the majors; hard to believe we're in mid-August and nobody has hit 40 yet (although I hope that changes in the next at-bat or so from a certain someone).
2007-08-19 10:21:09
36.   cult of basebaal
35 yup, 3 is so much less than 3 ... which is what he hit last year ...
2007-08-19 10:25:22
37.   JeremyM
36 He hit 8 (he was in the NL with the Pirates as well, but I guess you were in too much of a hurry to punk me), but it's been a general trend downward for him although maybe he's not the best example.
2007-08-19 10:26:00
38.   matt nokes forever
36 He hit 3 with the Pirates before the trade to the Tiggers, who he hit 5 for... still 8 total homers is a drastic dip from the 24 he hit in 2004 when he was an all star...
2007-08-19 10:30:01
39.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Wang's fastballs were hanging a bit, not a good sign, hope he could get it down more later. he did lower it more to Sheff though (but it was one pitch)
2007-08-19 10:30:36
40.   Mike T
Bases loaded with one out, and one measly run.
2007-08-19 10:31:55
41.   Yu-Hsing Chen
boo bad Jorge.. can't always get it i guess
2007-08-19 10:32:56
42.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Matsui, who, iirc, has been money w/ the bases juiced in previous seasons, has a .365 ops in that situation this year, and a ba well below the mendoza line.
2007-08-19 10:38:13
43.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Was that a ball that Arod could've gotten an out on, if, you know, he was at ss today instead of Betemit?
2007-08-19 10:39:42
44.   Yu-Hsing Chen
that last pitch on Inge... VERY good sign
2007-08-19 10:40:37
45.   Yu-Hsing Chen
43 either way, we can be sure that would have surely been a "past the diving Jeter" play ;)
2007-08-19 10:41:15
46.   Yu-Hsing Chen
holy shit, Wang so far

29 pitches, 24 strikes

2007-08-19 10:41:54
47.   matt nokes forever
45 Or a "just out of the reach of Jeter" play b/c we don't really see him dive so much anymore.
2007-08-19 10:42:13
48.   matt nokes forever
46 And just one groundout. Intriguing.
2007-08-19 10:42:57
49.   Bob Timmermann
Uh oh, Kay is talking about "Moneyball."
2007-08-19 10:43:37
50.   matt nokes forever
Who's that in the booth with Kay today?
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2007-08-19 10:44:24
51.   Bob Timmermann
Flaherty and Leiter.
2007-08-19 10:45:38
52.   Bob Timmermann
They're actually having a somewhat rational discussion.
2007-08-19 10:46:56
53.   rbj
Ugh, I've got the Tigers' broadcasters. They're actually not too bad today.
2007-08-19 10:48:57
54.   rsmith51
Does Matsui have another streak going? It seems like he is not getting full days off.
2007-08-19 10:50:03
55.   cult of basebaal
46 meanwhile, we're making bonderman work ...
2007-08-19 10:50:49
56.   rsmith51
Wily Mo was traded for PTBNL?
2007-08-19 10:51:42
57.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
From gameday at least, it seems like Bonderman's afraid to throw inside to lefties. It's all away, away, away.
2007-08-19 10:51:43
58.   matt nokes forever
Two innings, four LOB... God, I hope this isn't one of those games...
2007-08-19 10:52:26
59.   matt nokes forever
56 Yep... to the Nationals. Those crafty Red Sox turned Bronson Arroyo into a PTBNL. What geniuses.
2007-08-19 10:53:12
60.   Yu-Hsing Chen
still though, Bonderman is looking like shit. what the hell happned to him, after last year you thought he was going to be a Cy Young contender
2007-08-19 10:55:58
61.   Bob Timmermann
The Tigers TV announcers are never all that good. When the Tigers picked up Neifi! last year, Rod Allen said that fans in Detroit would like him because he had a "nice personality."
2007-08-19 10:55:59
62.   matt nokes forever
60 Cy Young? He went 14-8 (tied for highest win total of his career) with a 4.08 era. This year he's 10-5 with a 4.65. What's so different?
2007-08-19 10:57:43
63.   cult of basebaal
man ... we got bizarro wang today ... 4ks in 2+ innings, 3-1 FB/GB rate ... weird
2007-08-19 10:59:07
64.   rbj
61 I was speaking relatively, but not to worry Rod Allen is now saying that he's a bit surprised the Yankee fans are booing Shef.
2007-08-19 10:59:31
65.   matt nokes forever
Keep those fly ball outs coming, Wanger.
2007-08-19 11:00:20
66.   Yu-Hsing Chen
very strange outing by Wang so far, but really can't blame the result, only Casey seem to be on him .. and Casey is basically a powerless threat
2007-08-19 11:01:49
67.   Yu-Hsing Chen
62 that he'd taken a huge step foward and had a exellent K/BB ratio (still do) at age 23 suggest he would go on a Curt Schillingeque tear.... hadn't happened... yet
2007-08-19 11:05:04
68.   cult of basebaal
67 he also had a very good 1st half this year ... 9-1 with a mid-3's era at the ASB ... although, it was really a great march, april and may ... since the beginning of june he's been pretty bad
2007-08-19 11:10:55
69.   Shaun P
4 24 Cliff and Ravenscar - its The Florentine Pastry Shop, on Bleeker St. near downtown -

(The second picture down on the left is my great Uncle Gabriele, who was, like so many other Italian immigrants, a huge Yankees fan, because of Lazzeri, DiMaggio, Yogi, and the Scooter.)

2007-08-19 11:11:22
70.   Yu-Hsing Chen
I love you Bobby
2007-08-19 11:12:34
71.   matt nokes forever
67 At age 24, baseball-reference has him most similar to Pedro Ramos, Jon Garland and Sidney Ponson. There is no reason to even imply a Schilling-like parallel. Curt began as a reliever, but in his first year as a starter with Philly notched a 2.54 era. When Bonderman finally breaks the 4.00 mark, then we can compare him to someone worthwhile. Until then, he's just the next Ponson.
2007-08-19 11:18:46
72.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Damn. Why give Raburn anything to hit with 1st open and that bottom of the order coming up?
2007-08-19 11:20:31
73.   matt nokes forever
Dammit, Johnny. No friggin arm in left.
2007-08-19 11:20:42
74.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Crud. Everything's up.
2007-08-19 11:21:41
75.   JeremyM
What have they done to our Wang?
2007-08-19 11:21:46
76.   randym77
Damon really ought to let Melky/Abreu get those, if it's that close. They can throw them in.
2007-08-19 11:22:56
77.   matt nokes forever
76 Even if they're not, he should just flip them the ball anyway.
2007-08-19 11:24:03
78.   Yu-Hsing Chen
scary, but Wang's working out of them jams quiet well in his career.
2007-08-19 11:24:17
79.   nemecizer
69 Oh, man, now I am hungry. And for a minute I thought your shop was in NYC on Bleecker (where I live). That's false advertising! Now I gotta figure out where to get a cannoli.
2007-08-19 11:24:21
80.   matt nokes forever
2007-08-19 11:24:49
81.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Nicely done Wang. What'd he throw 3-2 to k Inge?
2007-08-19 11:25:13
82.   Yu-Hsing Chen
59 pitches, 43 strikes, he's really pounding the zone and adjusting his stuff well so far
2007-08-19 11:26:19
83.   matt nokes forever
69 You ever catch any Blue Sox games up there, Shaun? My uncle's got a farm up in Troy, and I saw a matinee on my way up to visit. Not a bad time at all.
2007-08-19 11:29:50
84.   Mattpat11
Phillips is hitting again. That's encouraging. Anything that prevents a return of The Stinkster gets a plus in my book.
2007-08-19 11:31:02
85.   JeremyM
77 Maybe Melky can cut it off on the way to the infield....? :)
2007-08-19 11:31:52
86.   matt nokes forever
85 You mean like Manny did a few years ago? :)
2007-08-19 11:33:45
87.   JeremyM
86 Exactly.

84 I think we're lucky to have such a reinforcement on the way for September....

2007-08-19 11:36:20
88.   matt nokes forever
84 Minkalsld;fhas will be fine in September as a late inning, defensive replacement... for the first baseline ballgirl.
2007-08-19 11:37:13
89.   seamus
Is there a chance the Yanks just DFA Minky? I mean even Torre has to see that we don't need him.
2007-08-19 11:38:32
90.   Yu-Hsing Chen
71 that's because Curt at that age wasn't even a starter. BR's comp compare similar numbers at similar age, it works better for hitters IMHO, for pitchers it gets a bit more questionable due to relative age and things. but if you look at it, the high K low walk results are VERY similar to what Curt does, he had 202/64 K/BB last year in 214IP Curt in his first full year starting had 59BB 147K in 2226IP, he actually did better, but Curt was REALLY a late starter.
2007-08-19 11:38:43
91.   OldYanksFan
I'm not real good with numbers but is Wang giving up a lot of hit?
2007-08-19 11:41:08
92.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Hey, we got Babe Casey out.
2007-08-19 11:41:57
93.   matt nokes forever
91 Just over a hit per inning, which is about his career average. I think it just seems like it
2007-08-19 11:43:17
94.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Pretty bone-headed to balk with a runner on 2nd. The only way to do it is to forget to step off the rubber, no?
2007-08-19 11:44:50
95.   Raf
94 Wang was caught in between.
2007-08-19 11:45:31
96.   Raf
Sheffield's trying to hit the ball to westchester. The man doesn't like to cut down the swing
2007-08-19 11:47:10
97.   Mattpat11
Mags would have hit a double off that check swing
2007-08-19 11:47:33
98.   matt nokes forever
2007-08-19 11:49:29
99.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
My kingdom for a dp.
2007-08-19 11:49:36
100.   JeremyM
What is wrong with Wang? Is he sleeping out there? Those guys pull off a double steal?
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2007-08-19 11:49:43
101.   matt nokes forever
Pay attention to the friggin baserunners! Jesus, another rookie mistake by Wang. What is with this guy lately?!
2007-08-19 11:50:03
102.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Well, so much for a dp. Dammit.
2007-08-19 11:51:44
103.   matt nokes forever
And now a wild pitch. Ummm, why are we giving this game away? Why?
2007-08-19 11:52:16
104.   Raf
83 The Blue Sox haven't been up there since 2001
2007-08-19 11:52:27
105.   Zack
Is it just me or do the Yanks seem to be throwing a lot of wild pitches lately?
2007-08-19 11:52:59
106.   Yu-Hsing Chen
wtf is Rayburn thinking?
2007-08-19 11:53:23
107.   Raf
Still plenty of game left, I wouldn't worry yet
2007-08-19 11:54:13
108.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Oh my, Raburn's been killing us, and they have him squeeze. Thank you.
2007-08-19 11:54:29
109.   matt nokes forever
104 Really? I think I was up there in either '98 or '99... where'ld they move to?
2007-08-19 11:54:32
110.   Yu-Hsing Chen
to be fair, he made the pitch he should have made on Ordonez that should have saved a run
2007-08-19 11:55:05
111.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
105 It's not you. And it seems to be taking placing with runners on 3rd.
2007-08-19 11:59:38
112.   Yu-Hsing Chen
yeah, this Abreu dude is really non-chalant and dont hustle! :P
2007-08-19 11:59:50
113.   matt nokes forever
Way to be Bobby! He remembered that the rook in left field has a Damon arm. Second and third, no out. Nice.
2007-08-19 12:01:06
114.   JeremyM
After the Dye deal this week, there's no question that his option will get picked up I think. And it should.

Come on Matsui, drive em in.

2007-08-19 12:01:38
115.   Raf
109 Cal bought them, moved them to Aberdeen, and renamed them the Ironbirds.

This was around the time a lot of MiL teams were getting new stadiums. Utica didn't want to pony up for a new park (nor should they), and they lost their team.

2007-08-19 12:02:18
116.   3rd gen yankee fan
Is terribly slow for anyone else right now?

Yay Mats

2007-08-19 12:02:25
117.   bob34957
Brandon Inge , thank you very much!!!!!!
2007-08-19 12:02:44
118.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Maybin just gave Damon a run for the wussiest throw ever
2007-08-19 12:03:22
119.   JeremyM
115 Apparently Aberdeen isn't happy with that deal now, either. I think they (the local govt.) likened Ripken to Don Corleone at one point!

Posada is hacking today.

2007-08-19 12:03:55
120.   matt nokes forever
115 So that's the team in the NY Penn League now? Didn't realize that was the team Ripken bought and moved to NJ.
2007-08-19 12:04:09
121.   Shaun P
83 104 109 Yeah, the Blue Sox haven't been around in a while, but I saw a ton of games as a kid/teenager. I even have an old Blue Sox pennant somewhere. =)

The Blue Sox were bought by Cal Ripken Jr and moved to Aberdeen MD to become the Aberdeen IronBirds - and I've had no use for that team stealer ever since.

2007-08-19 12:04:19
122.   Zack
2nd and 3rd no out and only one run in would really hurt
2007-08-19 12:04:30
123.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Guess Detroit isn't impressed with Betemit.
2007-08-19 12:04:33
124.   matt nokes forever
I think that was Bonderman's fourth four-pitch walk today.
2007-08-19 12:05:05
125.   matt nokes forever
And the other three weren't on purpose.
2007-08-19 12:05:50
126.   Yu-Hsing Chen
shit, that was well hit
2007-08-19 12:06:13
127.   matt nokes forever
Second and third. No out. Just one run. Ugh.
2007-08-19 12:09:16
128.   thelarmis
everything is frozen - scoreboard, gamecast - i have no clue what happened...

tie game?

2007-08-19 12:09:41
129.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Well so much for getting this game in quick and jetting to Cali. At the rate the 2 games are going, the Halos will be home in their beds napping by the time our game ends.
2007-08-19 12:10:22
130.   JeremyM
128 3-3, one out in the top of the 6th, runner at first.
2007-08-19 12:10:48
131.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Rabelo is killing us. Wish they'd played Pudge.
2007-08-19 12:11:13
132.   thelarmis
thanks jeremy!
2007-08-19 12:12:04
133.   matt nokes forever
128 Matsui sac fly scored Abreu, but a Posada shallow fly left ARod at second with two out. IBB for Cano and Betemet drilled one to right, but right at Ordonez.
2007-08-19 12:12:06
134.   Shaun P
115 119 Oops, I'm late to the party. Yeah, Aberdeen is losing money hand over fist to their homeboy Ripkens, who got one hell of a sweet stadium deal. Way to screw over your hometown, boys.

Wasn't just the stadium stuff - the Blue Sox's old "stadium" was really just a grandstand and bleechers, and can hardly be called a stadium. Attendance hadn't been great either, which is and was sad.

2007-08-19 12:14:09
135.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I hope someone's up in the pen.
2007-08-19 12:14:12
136.   JeremyM
Just walked Granderson on 4 pitches, 2 outs, 2 on, Casey up.
2007-08-19 12:16:14
137.   matt nokes forever
134 I think b/c it was just a grandstand, though, was why the players were so personable. There was really no major separation between the bleachers and the field, so after the game, they stayed around to b.s. and sign autographs. One of the guy even gave my little sis a broken bat from the game. It definitely wasn't a spectacular complex, but I can't complain about the one afternoon I spent there.
2007-08-19 12:16:33
138.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Wang is killing me. Throw bloody strikes dammit. Casey has to be his last batter.
2007-08-19 12:18:47
139.   thelarmis
133 thanks matt nokes, that's what i was looking for.

what's up with all the wildness - balks, wild pitches, double steals. sheff have 20 SB's this year? he had 18 in atl in 03...

2007-08-19 12:18:49
140.   matt nokes forever
Whew! Nice grab, Robbie. I can't believe Wang has only thrown 93 pitches. The way he's been laboring, I feel like it's been twice that.
2007-08-19 12:19:17
141.   Yu-Hsing Chen
whew, thank you Cano
2007-08-19 12:20:05
142.   thelarmis
93 shaky pitches for wang thru 6. a 'quality start', however. throw him out for the 7th or go edwar for 7th, joba for 8th?
2007-08-19 12:20:09
143.   williamnyy23
5 of Wang's last 6 starts have been kind of shaky. That has me worried a bit.
2007-08-19 12:20:18
144.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Joba for the 7th? I don't think Wang can run the Sheff, Mags, Guillen, Raburn gauntlet again.
2007-08-19 12:20:44
145.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Wang wasn't exactly creamed on most of his hits. he gave up one extra base hit and it was a ball that just flew over 3rd and bounced into the stands.

overall it's a vast improvement over the last 2 start for sure, but he's still not completely right right now.

2007-08-19 12:20:45
146.   Raf
119 I'm not surprised. The minors took a page from the majors WRT stadium deals.

134 But Donovan was typical of A-ball stadiums. The A-C Yankees played in a park with a similar configuration.

Sometime in the late 90's an edict was handed down for minimum ballpark standards, and Utica was unable or unwilling to upgrade Donovan Stadium.

2007-08-19 12:22:54
147.   Ravenscar
Yeah, I used to go to games there with my mom. I still have a couple of pictures of Murnane on my rotating desktop.

In fact, there was a thread on BTF recently where a story was reprinted from the OD regarding a really small league that just folded up there because after the first game, there were always more people on the field than in the stands.

Boy, that was a bad sentence.

Regardless, I always hated Ripkin for stealing that team. I Was hoping the re-shuffle this offseason would bring a Single-A team back to Utica. I guess the lack of the bells-and-whistles stadiums keeps them away. After all, it's working SO WELL for the Pittsburth Pirates and everywhere else that has a new park. (Exception being San Francisco)

2007-08-19 12:23:52
148.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
John-ny Base-ball!

I'm surprised they ran Bonderman out there again, considering he's over 100 pitches, and barely got out of the previous inning.

2007-08-19 12:23:57
149.   thelarmis
2007-08-19 12:24:18
150.   Eirias
149 Positively.
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2007-08-19 12:24:37
151.   Raf
found it!

1991--Baseball's Facilities Standards went into effect, setting minimum standards for Minor League ball parks and touching off the biggest building boom in history. More than half the teams in the Minors now play in stadiums built or completely renovated since that time.

2007-08-19 12:28:43
152.   matt nokes forever
Dulche and Leche; K and CS. We've missed a lotta opportunities today.
2007-08-19 12:29:21
153.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Ugh. On gameday that looked like Abreu swung at ball 4 and got Melky thrown out. Crap, crap, crap.
2007-08-19 12:29:46
154.   thelarmis
bollocks. our pen must hold this slimmest of leads...
2007-08-19 12:29:54
155.   williamnyy23
Very curious send probably took Abreu out of his patience mode and cost the Yankees a chance of having Arod with two men on.

Also, it looks like they got Chamberlain up too late with the inning ending so suddenly.

2007-08-19 12:30:14
156.   Raf

"Then, in 1990, the renaissance began. Like so much else in the fabled history of baseball, it happened by accident. Major League Baseball forced stricter standards on the minors for clubhouses, fields and such. That led to a boom in construction. More than 100 new stadiums with modern amenities (like expanded restrooms) married major-league economics—gross revenues are up 91 percent in the past 10 years, while franchise values have rocketed as high as $20 million—with traditional minor-league whimsy."

2007-08-19 12:31:45
157.   Raf
Chamberlain - Sheffield. Should be fun
2007-08-19 12:33:14
158.   tommyl
Not that I object to Joba being used, but its good Joe took notice of Edwar and has sat him on the bench again.
2007-08-19 12:33:27
159.   rbj
152 I just had to run a couple of errands. The Tigers' radio guys are brain dead. They were saying that the Yankees were finishing rallies today, and that was why the Yankees were winning. Mind you, this was right after Damon's homer that gave them one more run than the Tigers.
2007-08-19 12:34:08
160.   williamnyy23
158 No work for a change-up pitcher is a recipe for disaster. It really is a shame that Torre refuses to utilize the weapons that he has been given.
2007-08-19 12:36:55
161.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I'd like to see Edwar for the 8th, run out against the bottom of the lineup. But for the middle of that Tiger order? You've got to go with Joba.
2007-08-19 12:37:03
162.   thelarmis
let's hope for a 1-2-3 from joba and then we can see edwar. that'd be sweet.
2007-08-19 12:37:27
163.   JeremyM
My God, he struck out Magglio Ordonez on 3 pitches.
2007-08-19 12:38:12
164.   thelarmis
do they have Joba shirts yet? i want one!

his etopps card (looking like old 1985 topps) isn't available til november, or some shit...

2007-08-19 12:38:14
165.   tommyl
161 I was also referring to last night as well. 3 run lead, use the kid instead of Viz. You still have Viz and Mo in the pen if he gets in trouble.
2007-08-19 12:38:31
166.   3rd gen yankee fan
This kid is amazing.
2007-08-19 12:38:47
167.   thelarmis
joba will probably go 2 and then Mo... (hat tip to Cult...)
2007-08-19 12:38:57
168.   Raf
I can't wait to see Joba in the rotation next year
2007-08-19 12:39:17
169.   rbj
Me like this kid.
2007-08-19 12:39:17
170.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
165 Agreed.
2007-08-19 12:39:45
171.   thelarmis
2007-08-19 12:39:45
172.   JeremyM
This is awe-inspiring. Nine pitches to get out 3 hitters that scare the crap out of me.
2007-08-19 12:40:30
173.   williamnyy23
165 That's my point too...he also could have used him instead of Chamberlain in the 6-1 game on Friday. Edwar can be a real weapon for this team, but like last time, Torre doesn't seem interested in using him.
2007-08-19 12:40:39
174.   Yu-Hsing Chen
2007-08-19 12:40:52
175.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
DAmn you Sheff. If that had been a pop foul, Joba would've struck out the side.

9 pitches, 8 strikes, 2ks and an infield pop.

I hope Farnsworth has to carry Joba's bags in the airport.

2007-08-19 12:42:22
176.   Yu-Hsing Chen
172 not just that, the 3 hitter is the 345 guys of the second highest scoring team in the majors, and he made them look like minor leaguers .
2007-08-19 12:43:13
177.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
This game demands an Ayyyyyy-bommmmmbbbb, by Ayyyyyyy-rod.
2007-08-19 12:44:27
178.   thelarmis
177 my sentiments exactly. it's about time. oh, and prince is catching up - hit #38 earlier today...
2007-08-19 12:44:44
179.   Eirias
Kay is sounding surprisingly intelligent.
2007-08-19 12:45:16
180.   marc
Joba feels like when we first saw K-Rod
2007-08-19 12:45:26
181.   thelarmis
eh, i'll take a rally starting walk...
2007-08-19 12:46:08
182.   thelarmis
180 except he's on our side, so it's a much more exhilirating feeling : )
2007-08-19 12:46:19
183.   tommyl
179 Only because Leiter is sounding retarded.
2007-08-19 12:47:21
184.   tommyl
173 I guess Edwar only gets to pitch when we're losing by a few runs. After all Kyle has great "stuff" and he's been there before.

I predict another 10 day layoff and some crappy pitching as a result for our favorite Edwarrior. Sigh.

2007-08-19 12:48:04
185.   tommyl
And...Edwar was no less dominant than Joba was last time out. He pitched 2.1 innings, no walks, something like 3 or 4 Ks and the one hit he gave up was a freakin' bunt single. What more does he have to do?
2007-08-19 12:49:13
186.   matt nokes forever
Leiter is most definitely sounding retarded. He's bitching about his last appearance when he threw 162 pitches, comparing it to Joba's nine pitch inning. The difference is Al, that you were in the twilight of your career and no one cared. Joba has all the potential in the universe to be the next Clemens-Ryan-Etc. Michael Kay sounds like a Yankee version of Peter Gammons next to that schmuck.
2007-08-19 12:49:50
187.   seamus
184 i'm worried about edwar's inactivity. again. What does it take?

173 On Friday, Chamberlain hadn't been used in many days, whereas Edwar had. But he should have been used yesterday.

2007-08-19 12:50:46
188.   matt nokes forever
Why do I feel like trying to get Edwar on the mound is like trying to find Waldo? Every time you think you've got it, it turns out you were wrong.
2007-08-19 12:50:47
189.   thelarmis
nice. alex racking up the steals lately. c'mon Po, we need insurance runs...
2007-08-19 12:51:18
190.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
And with that, Jorge's left 5 on base. Maybe Jose should've played today.
2007-08-19 12:52:22
191.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Wow, the Tigers must really think Betemit sucks.
2007-08-19 12:52:42
192.   bobtaco
Edwar still up in the BP?
2007-08-19 12:53:27
193.   thelarmis
supernatural w/ 14 k's thru 7. smoltz had 11 today...

c'mon Willy B. you're due today! do your best Captain Clutch impression.

2007-08-19 12:54:04
194.   thelarmis
190 i thought molina would've caught today to begin with. hmmm...
2007-08-19 12:54:16
195.   bobtaco
Booyah Betemit!
2007-08-19 12:54:52
196.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
2007-08-19 12:56:04
197.   seamus

good to see Betemit make them pay!

2007-08-19 12:56:59
198.   thelarmis
Willie B! 1 more from joba, then edwarrior...
2007-08-19 12:57:38
199.   JeremyM
Nice job Wilson, Phillips!
2007-08-19 12:58:05
200.   thelarmis

we want the Warrior!!!

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2007-08-19 12:58:06
201.   seamus
I want Andy to knock in some runs here so that Edwar becomes a possibility in the 9th.
2007-08-19 12:58:35
202.   seamus
201 it loks like with my delay i posted that after it happened... :)
2007-08-19 12:59:41
203.   tommyl
Is anyone up in the Yankee pen?
2007-08-19 13:00:43
204.   thelarmis
203 hopefully edwar! but i want one more inning from joba first...
2007-08-19 13:01:25
205.   tommyl
204 Why? he has an innings cap and every inning pitched is a day off. Take him out, he can pitch again on Tuesday.
2007-08-19 13:01:27
206.   Yanks Fan in Chicago
Wow, death by a thousand cuts for Detroit here.
2007-08-19 13:02:15
207.   thelarmis
alright, still alive.

got leche?

2007-08-19 13:03:23
208.   tommyl
Who's pitching?
2007-08-19 13:03:45
209.   thelarmis
205 ah, good point. i was doing my math wrong. it's sunday ; )

we'll find out in a sec who it is...

2007-08-19 13:04:17
210.   OldYanksFan
Meanwhile, The Angels blow a big rally but get one on a wild pitch. 3-0 in the bottom of the 7th.
2007-08-19 13:04:54
211.   thelarmis
it's edwarrior!!!
2007-08-19 13:05:42
212.   tommyl
Ok, c'mon kid, just shut them down.
2007-08-19 13:06:07
213.   tommyl
Here it comes.....
2007-08-19 13:06:31
214.   matt nokes forever
Edwar still filthy!!!
2007-08-19 13:06:48
215.   tommyl
There we go...1 K
2007-08-19 13:06:49
216.   bartap74
Man does our bullpen have the potential to be ridiculously good.
2007-08-19 13:07:17
217.   matt nokes forever
This kid makes me giddy. Not Joba giddy, but giddy nonetheless.
2007-08-19 13:07:24
218.   thelarmis
i can't stop smiling! : )
2007-08-19 13:08:30
219.   tommyl
2 Ks
2007-08-19 13:09:37
220.   tommyl
Man, can't command the fastball. He's a strike machine so far.
2007-08-19 13:09:43
221.   matt nokes forever
C'mon kid!!!
2007-08-19 13:10:37
222.   bobtaco
2007-08-19 13:10:43
223.   matt nokes forever
2007-08-19 13:10:56
224.   williamnyy23
Joba who?
2007-08-19 13:11:06
225.   Yanks Fan in Chicago
2007-08-19 13:11:20
226.   tommyl
3 Ks. And that is the end of Kyle as the 8th inning guy. Welcome to the closer of the future.
2007-08-19 13:11:21
227.   Yu-Hsing Chen
that just made me feel all warm and fuzzy
2007-08-19 13:11:21
228.   bartap74
It feels like '96 all over again, only this time we have two dominant young set-up men.
2007-08-19 13:11:27
229.   bobtaco
Joba and Edwar, it's like Fire and Ice :-)
2007-08-19 13:11:56
230.   matt nokes forever
224 I think that's our 7th inning guy haha. :)

Seriously, though, I hope this plus that last outing move the kid up in the pecking order.

2007-08-19 13:12:04
231.   thelarmis
17 k's for santana thru 8! he needs to strike out the side in the 9th to tie the record...

and edwar bests joba by 1 k! ; )

2007-08-19 13:12:23
232.   SF Yanks
218 I know what you mean. He makes me smile more than Joba does, although it looks like Joba will be the more dominating pitcher. The change-up is so filthy, you can't help but smile.
2007-08-19 13:12:28
233.   matt nokes forever
I feel like riverdancing!
2007-08-19 13:12:44
234.   Yanks Fan in Chicago
It's like Joba and Edwar are having a strikeout pissing contest
2007-08-19 13:12:54
235.   Bags
wow. that was even impressive on gameday.
2007-08-19 13:13:42
236.   C2Coke
229 Great metaphor! It's such a treat to watch them.
2007-08-19 13:13:47
237.   thelarmis
what's the stadium like? ooh, i wish i was watching this game on tv...
2007-08-19 13:14:13
238.   williamnyy23
186 Leiter was referring to early in his career when Dallas Green tried to toughen him up. At that point, he was the future. Leiter's point is some point, there may be a need/temptation to go back to back.
2007-08-19 13:14:52
239.   thelarmis
edwar for 2?
2007-08-19 13:15:12
240.   thelarmis
...since there aren't any 'warrior rules'...
2007-08-19 13:15:49
241.   C2Coke
And the Yanks have Mo warming up!
2007-08-19 13:16:09
242.   bartap74
I think Mo's pitching the 9th. I've heard he's pretty good too.
2007-08-19 13:16:44
243.   thelarmis
boBBy sees soooo many pitches. i'd love nothing more than this setting up an A-Bomb!
2007-08-19 13:16:56
244.   matt nokes forever
Maybe a day off for Mo would be nice with that big set against the Angels coming up... Eddie wasn't dominating enough in the 8th to try to go one more frame?
2007-08-19 13:17:23
245.   seamus
242 I would rather give Mo the day off. I would not like to see Edwar, Mo, and Chamberlain be unavailable tomorrow night. Though I think Edwar would remain available.
2007-08-19 13:17:41
246.   matt nokes forever
That ARod is a helluva singles hitter.
2007-08-19 13:17:50
247.   thelarmis
i guess it'll pad Mo's save stat...

meanwhile, king felix got out of early trouble vs. the last place pale hose...

2007-08-19 13:18:54
248.   thelarmis
246 and watch him steal 2nd. nah, not the time. would be fun though... ; )
2007-08-19 13:19:04
249.   OldYanksFan
3-0 in Bawstom. Bottom of the 8th.
2007-08-19 13:19:50
250.   matt nokes forever
248 He reminds of this Cairo guy that used to play in pinstripes. Gritty. Hustles alot. ;)
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2007-08-19 13:20:07
251.   thelarmis
seattle now up 2-0 on garland in the 1st...
2007-08-19 13:20:58
252.   bartap74
The hip-hip Jorge chants are very enthusiastic today.
2007-08-19 13:21:41
253.   thelarmis
250 i'm not sure the x-ray would reveal the same amount of guts in the belly, however ; )
2007-08-19 13:22:21
254.   thelarmis
252 maybe folks read Pete Abe's sunday in-focus article before heading to the stadium?
2007-08-19 13:22:29
255.   OldYanksFan
Seattle up 2-0 after 1. Cleveland and YB tied 2-2 after 9. Sox w/1 out in the 8th.
2007-08-19 13:23:05
256.   matt nokes forever
Who is this Betemet guy?! Wowee! And Mo gets the night off. Maybe he can leave now and catch the early flight to Anaheim.
2007-08-19 13:23:20
257.   seamus
Pena on 2nd with 1 out in the bottom of the 9th. TB has a chance.

Nice Betemit!

2007-08-19 13:23:51
258.   bartap74
Maybe this really is a team of destiny. All the parts are in place (well, except for Britton) for a legendary playoff push.
2007-08-19 13:24:00
259.   C2Coke
Now Mo just sat down.
2007-08-19 13:24:15
260.   OldYanksFan
Obviously we are a better team with Jeter on the bench. :-)
2007-08-19 13:24:37
261.   seamus
259 best part of that double by betemit!
2007-08-19 13:24:39
262.   rbj
Three outs for six runs -- Farnsworth proof?
2007-08-19 13:24:42
263.   OldYanksFan
Red Sox out in the 8th.
2007-08-19 13:24:48
264.   thelarmis
we sure are making them throw an awful lot of pitches today.

santana out after 112 pitches. finishes w/ 17 k's. nathan in to preserve the 1-0 lead.

2007-08-19 13:25:37
265.   thelarmis
send in villone...
2007-08-19 13:25:41
266.   OldYanksFan
I want 'the Farns'
2007-08-19 13:26:25
267.   thelarmis
i love 2-out rallies : )
2007-08-19 13:26:32
268.   C2Coke
260 Didn't you know? The whole team needs a full time cheerleader on the bench.
2007-08-19 13:26:37
269.   williamnyy23
251 Maybe catching the Red Sox is the best bet. Seriously, the White Sox are tailor made for Seattle. Their schedule gets a little tougher going forward.
2007-08-19 13:27:16
270.   seamus
uh oh. edwar is losing it. He didn't K him.
2007-08-19 13:27:19
271.   OldYanksFan
Oops - 2 out in the 8th for the Sox. Senility sets in.
2007-08-19 13:27:55
272.   thelarmis
3-0 seatlle, via 2 homers...
2007-08-19 13:28:19
273.   C2Coke
270 You are right. He has yet to K anyone this inning.
2007-08-19 13:28:22
274.   thelarmis
um, that would be seattle. ahem.
2007-08-19 13:28:24
275.   bartap74
270 Better send him down to the minors for more seasoning.
2007-08-19 13:29:07
276.   matt nokes forever
270 Joe has lost faith. Fly outs and pop outs instead of Ks. He is out of the circle of trust.
2007-08-19 13:29:21
277.   rbj
Save for Edwar
2007-08-19 13:29:56
278.   thelarmis
that was funny - edwar vs maybin and my game cast had "no photo" vs. "no photo". the "phantom matchup" cool.

since he's a stringbean, maybe we can call Edwarrior "Phantom" - any takers?

2007-08-19 13:29:59
279.   matt nokes forever
We win again! Screw the Tiggers! Halos, you're next.
2007-08-19 13:30:12
280.   JeremyM
OK, the save rule confuses me, but wouldn't that be considered a save for Edwar?
2007-08-19 13:30:16
281.   williamnyy23
Wang - Chamberlain - Edwar = Yankee farm dominance.

Nice to see Edwar pick up his first MLB save. Hopefully, he is now established in the pecking order.

2007-08-19 13:30:36
282.   JeremyM
280 Nevermind, Gamecenter just updated it to a save.
2007-08-19 13:30:38
283.   OldYanksFan
Wow... Torre the 2nd winningest manager in Yankee History.

Sox with 1st and 2nd, Lowell up, 2 out in the 8th.

And Edwar finishes it. How sweet it is!

2007-08-19 13:30:56
284.   thelarmis
22 pitches in 2 innings for "Phantom"! (hey, i figure if i keep referring to him as that, it may stick... : p)
2007-08-19 13:31:11
285.   bartap74
280 He came in with the Yankees up by 3 and held it down. Sounds like a save to me.
2007-08-19 13:32:09
286.   thelarmis
281 don't forget about Hughes. and hopefully we can add Kennedy to that list soon.

283 congrats, Mr. Torre! wow, indeed...

2007-08-19 13:32:35
287.   williamnyy23
What's the deal with Scott's amazing how the Angels could look so great against the Yankees and so timid against the Red Sox.
2007-08-19 13:33:10
288.   matt nokes forever
284 22 of which were absolutely filthy! Not for nothing, nice way to end it after laboring through six tough ones with the Wanger. Three frames of dominance by Joba and "the Phantom."
2007-08-19 13:33:15
289.   OldYanksFan
Wallball single for Lowell. 3-1 Halos. Pitching change and it ain't K-Rod.
Sox still with 1st and 2nd, 2 out in the 8th.
2007-08-19 13:34:04
290.   thelarmis
of course, boston is on the board and threatening late. ooh halos, please hold them and win. then lay down and die in anaheim for the next 3 games. thanks.
2007-08-19 13:34:17
291.   Yu-Hsing Chen
great great series. if you look at it, it was tight all series long and a lot of of key ABs and plays. (even in the first series, had A-rod not made an error at 1st, it woulda have been awsome)
2007-08-19 13:35:17
292.   thelarmis
288 ah, that's got a nice ring to it! thanks for using "the Phantom" keep it up! : )

One "T" (shields) vs. Nancy

2007-08-19 13:35:34
293.   JeremyM
287 I guess Yankee fans need to be more 'racist' according to Gary Matthews. He claims New York fans are fine, but Boston fans drop racist bombs and intimidate them. I don't know, but the disparity in play is bizarre.
2007-08-19 13:35:52
294.   bartap74
YES is not acknowledging Edwar's save.
2007-08-19 13:36:22
295.   Yu-Hsing Chen
plz lay down and die JD
2007-08-19 13:36:56
296.   bartap74
Justin Spieir vs. Nancy
2007-08-19 13:37:08
297.   JeremyM
Gagne is warming up too, that will be interesting.
2007-08-19 13:37:40
298.   OldYanksFan
Sox FINALLY out of the 8th. 3-1 (I'm sure).
2007-08-19 13:37:50
299.   seamus
Drew Ks in the 8th. 3-1 Angels going into the 9th!
2007-08-19 13:38:00
300.   bartap74
Nancy strikes out looking.
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2007-08-19 13:38:09
301.   thelarmis
294 espn box score is.

296 my bad. spieir struck his ass out!

2007-08-19 13:38:37
302.   matt nokes forever
Thank you useless Mr. Drew. Whew!

Too bad "No H" (Jon Garland) sucks and the Ms are already up 3-0.

2007-08-19 13:39:40
303.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Good job by JD Drew there watching a ball go right down the middle.
2007-08-19 13:40:22
304.   OldYanksFan
Wow... after that magnificent game, Santana is only 13-9. Maybe he wants to leave. And in to HOLD the game is Gagme... and a line drive lead off single to greet him.
2007-08-19 13:41:07
305.   thelarmis

Tiger hasn't really stuck for wang, which is fine as that would've been quite confusing today. : ~

if it did, from the farm, we would've had:
The Hut

pretty cool.

ok, i'm getting restless. good thing i've got a gig in 2 hours - i get to hit stuff and kick stuff at the same time! ; )

2007-08-19 13:42:04
306.   bob34957
gagne got smoked by Garret Anderson. Fenway sounds like a cemetary.
2007-08-19 13:42:18
307.   OldYanksFan
Ride stuff and Crash stuff too.
2007-08-19 13:44:03
308.   OldYanksFan
1st and 2nd, 1 out for the Halos
2007-08-19 13:44:07
309.   thelarmis
307 : )

unfortunately, i've gotta tone it down on tonight's gig. i'll be using Hot Rods (dowel/bundle stix) more than regular stix. no brushes tonight though. if i still need to rock out, i'll head to my studio after...

go halos! (ooh, i hate writing that...)

2007-08-19 13:44:31
310.   matt nokes forever
Another win thanks to the Jim Dean Memorial Bench (Betemet, Damon) and Bullpen (Joba, "the Phantom").

258 Maybe you're right bartap, there's something special going on right now. Destiny might just be the word.

2007-08-19 13:48:49
311.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Gagne doing his best Kyle Farnsworth impression.
2007-08-19 13:49:17
312.   Yu-Hsing Chen
too bad the guy at the plate is batting .100
2007-08-19 13:49:32
313.   thelarmis
and cleveland scores in the top of the 10th
2007-08-19 13:49:39
314.   OldYanksFan
Sox up in the 9th with 7-8-9.
2007-08-19 13:49:54
315.   seamus
313 just saw that. :(
2007-08-19 13:51:04
316.   OldYanksFan
Cleveland up 3-2, bottom of the 10th.
2007-08-19 13:51:15
317.   thelarmis
gagne 'strikes out the side'

seattle up 5-0. M's are 10th in AL in ERA. how are they doing this? then there's the shit bax in the desert defying the run differential.

go K-Rod. (if he's pitching...)

2007-08-19 13:51:35
318.   SF Yanks
I like Edwarrior over Phantom. Sorry, but it's Edwarrior for me.
2007-08-19 13:52:01
319.   OldYanksFan
Coco up against K-Rod.
2007-08-19 13:53:51
320.   SF Yanks
Nothing would be better than to see a Sox/Angels brawl and watch them beat the $h!t out of each other.
2007-08-19 13:53:53
321.   OldYanksFan
K looking. 1 out, Lugo up.
2007-08-19 13:54:18
322.   seamus
1 out in the bottom fo the 10th in tampa. Norton Pinch Hits
2007-08-19 13:55:25
323.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Coco whiffs
2007-08-19 13:55:57
324.   seamus
Norton Ks. Navarro is Tampas last chance.
2007-08-19 13:56:20
325.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Lugo follow suit
2007-08-19 13:56:25
326.   OldYanksFan
K swinging. 2 out, Tek up to PH.
2007-08-19 13:57:21
327.   OldYanksFan
Game OVAH. 4 games out!
2007-08-19 13:57:53
328.   rbj
Yes! Lead now back down to 4. Should be fun on BBTN tonight.
2007-08-19 13:58:12
329.   seamus
Navarro walks. Iwamura up.
2007-08-19 13:58:28
330.   OldYanksFan
Wow... Seattle up 5-0. They seem to be smelling something special this year too.
2007-08-19 13:58:32
331.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Red Sox 's captian of grit at least manage to put the bat on the ball, 4 games back.
2007-08-19 13:59:06
332.   SF Yanks
Ha! Did you see G. Anderson fake throwing the ball into the stands and then not throw it as if to say, "F you" to the fans?
2007-08-19 13:59:17
333.   williamnyy23
All things considered, not a bad week. If they could have avoided using Karstens or pulled out the Bedard game, it would have been a great week, but after starting 1-3, I'll take it.
2007-08-19 13:59:28
334.   seamus
oh nice. white sox put 2 on the board. 5-2 seattle.
2007-08-19 13:59:55
335.   seamus
Iwamura singles. 1st and 2nd with 2 out. bottom of 10th. 3-2 indians.
2007-08-19 14:00:22
336.   williamnyy23
332 According to Gary Matthews Jr., there has been a lot of race baiting, so perhaps Anderson has experienced the same.
2007-08-19 14:00:55
337.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Mura shows the samuria spirit and singles. now up to Crawford.
2007-08-19 14:01:08
338.   OldYanksFan
TB ties it!
2007-08-19 14:01:13
339.   williamnyy23
330 They are playing well, but let's see what happens after the White Sox leave town. If there was ever a team that has quit, it's them
2007-08-19 14:01:14
340.   SF Yanks
336 Yeah, I figured he was just trying to get back at em.
2007-08-19 14:01:41
341.   seamus
woo hoo! Tampa ties it on a crawford single! Goes to second on throw. 2nd and 3rd, 2 out, 3-3 game.
2007-08-19 14:02:24
342.   Yu-Hsing Chen
NICE, Crawford comes through and ties it, Upton then flies out.. 11th inning we go
2007-08-19 14:02:46
343.   seamus
Cleveland and Tampa going into the 11th inning.
2007-08-19 14:02:48
344.   OldYanksFan
Top of the 11th in TB.
2007-08-19 14:03:44
345.   OldYanksFan
Anybody know what's happening in TB?
2007-08-19 14:04:33
346.   seamus
damn, white sox strand man on 3rd.
2007-08-19 14:04:47
347.   seamus
345 lol!
2007-08-19 14:05:32
348.   alterity
With 38 games to go, if we go 27-11 (which is exactly our record since the break) we finish with 97 wins. That HAS to worth a playoff spot. If it ain't, well you tip your cap [/John Sterling].

Of course, 27-11 is no mean feat, but it seems very realistic now. Two month ago I was preparing my "Well it's been a good run. . ." speech.

2007-08-19 14:05:36
349.   OldYanksFan
the Other Sox with 1st and 3rd, 1 out.
2007-08-19 14:07:17
350.   OldYanksFan
Inning over. Man, how did the White Sox get so bad so fast?
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2007-08-19 14:09:32
351.   OldYanksFan
348 It shouldn't take 97 to win the WC. The division, yes.
TB coming up, 3-3.
2007-08-19 14:09:42
352.   seamus
cleveland down in the top of the 11th.
2007-08-19 14:10:34
353.   thelarmis
318 i hear ya man, Edwarrior is a great nickname. i'd like to hear others chime in on Phantom, too...

hey, Guidry has THREE nicknames - gator, rajun cajun (seldomly used) and louisiana lightning (which scooter apparently bestowed on him, much to guidry's chagrin).

nice work TB. now, pull out a victory. keep comin' back white sox...

2007-08-19 14:12:53
354.   seamus
353 I'm not a big fan of phantom. edwarrior i do like.
2007-08-19 14:13:52
355.   seamus
i give up on chicago. 6-2 seattle now.
2007-08-19 14:16:20
356.   thelarmis
354 i like 'em both! i'm totally down w/ edwarrior. phantom, kinda fits though, too.

the seattle game is probably done as it's now 8-2. garland has nuthin'... be nice if tampa pulls this out...

2007-08-19 14:17:37
357.   seamus
356 it could grow on me. Maybe if I think of it as a pseudo sun ra reference. :)

ok, time for me to log off...

2007-08-19 14:18:52
358.   bartap74
The YES coverage is all about Joba, which is fine, but they're treating Edwar as an afterthought. It was Edwar who pitched two dominant innings and picked up his first career save.
2007-08-19 14:18:57
359.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Wow, wtf is happening with Jon Garland?
2007-08-19 14:19:12
360.   SF Yanks
353 Well, it really doesn't matter, because you're right. He can have a bunch of nicknames. Look at everything we call Doug Mentiakhdfghg: Alphabet soup, MCI (Man Cave Itch), Doug Out, Eye Chart... So really, call him whatever you want. You say Phantom, I say Edwarrior, we all say STUD!
2007-08-19 14:28:34
361.   thelarmis
360 sounds good! i'll call edwar both names. for doug m, i like both Scrabble and Eye Chart. both are pretty friggin' funny : )

ooh, i got it! The Phantom Warrior -- maybe knuckles can turn that into a comic book hero! ; )

2007-08-19 14:30:53
362.   Yu-Hsing Chen
TB managed to get out of the top of the 12.. let's see if they can win this..
2007-08-19 14:34:37
363.   thelarmis
banter favorite jonny (no H) gomes w/ a leadoff double. seattle 10-2.
2007-08-19 14:35:15
364.   thelarmis
yanks: 70 wins. 16 over .500

edwar: 2 nicknames ; )

2007-08-19 14:37:36
365.   thelarmis
aaaaand, the tribe loses!
2007-08-19 14:41:06
366.   OldYanksFan
354 Sorry... I can only call him 'Slim'.
2007-08-19 14:46:09
367.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Tampa walks off
2007-08-19 14:48:51
368.   alterity
351 I know. It shouldn't take 97 to win the WC. I'm just saying that if they close as well as they have been playing since the break they ought to run away with a playoff spot one way or the other (again, recognizing that doing so is not going to be easy). Of course, if Seattle keeps scoring runs like they have today. . .
2007-08-19 14:55:17
369.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Fields homer off Felix, 10:5 SEA lead , still early enough...
2007-08-19 16:13:58
370.   Start Spreading the News
I just noticed that the backup catcher for the Sox has a career OPS of 495. Here's hoping that Varitek needs a lot of rest.
2007-08-19 16:19:18
371.   bobtaco
354 I still like Nuclear Edwar
2007-08-19 16:43:07
372.   seamus
371 nuclear Edwar - yeah eh
nuclear Edwar - yeah eh

It's a motherf&*$^#@
Don;t you know
it's a m@#&%@$%&
Don't you know

nuclear Edwar - yeah eh

2007-08-19 16:59:30
373.   Mattpat11
2007-08-19 17:56:37
374.   alterity
"It's pronounced 'nucular'. Nucular."
2007-08-19 17:59:53
375.   Shaun P
I don't know what irks me more, that the M's and their crappy offense and crappy starting pitching are doing so well, or that the "mighty Angels" who always play so well vs the Yanks blew that 5 run lead last night vs the Sox.

I think its the Angels, 'cuz if they had won the Sox lead would be down to 3.

373 PECOTA .5*, White Sox 0.

*The starting pitching hasn't been nearly as bad as PECOTA predicted; the hitting has been.

2007-08-19 18:06:48
376.   RIYank
I spent the afternoon in the damn airport because of the damn weather in goddam Chicago. O'Hare, White Sox, the whole place sucks. When it became clear I wouldn't make my connection, I came home to try again tomorrow, rather than spend the night in O'Hare.
At least there was good news when I got home.

(And actually I like Chicago, so YF in Chicago don't get huffy or anything!)

2007-08-19 18:43:18
377.   Mattpat11
375 They're 12th or 13th in the league in pitching in most categories. What was PECOTA predicting?
2007-08-19 19:04:09
378.   Shaun P
377 Very poor numbers for all starters. Contreras has been even worse than projected, (weighted mean projection of 4.96 ERA, 1.43 WHIP, vs current 6.18 ERA, 1.60 WHIP), and they hit Garland (weighted mean projection of 4.77 ERA, 1.42 WHIP vs current 4.63 ERA, 1.36 WHIP) and Danks (weighted mean projection of 5.53 ERA, 1.56 WHIP vs current 5.30 ERA, 1.51 WHIP) just about right.

But PECOTA whiffed big time on Vazquez (weighted mean projection of 4.50 ERA, 1.31 WHIP vs current 3.74 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, with a 144:39 K:BB ratio in 163.7 IP!) and Buehrle (weighted mean projection of 4.83 ERA, 1.42 WHIP vs current 3.36 ERA, 1.22 WHIP).

Vazquez is thrashing his 90th percentile projection, while Buehrle is just about at 90, and (FWIW) so is Jenks.

The Sox FO and some of the Chitown media gave BP a hard time in springing when (based on PECOTA) the Sox were projected to finish sub-.500 (72-90 I think?). If the Sox keep up their current 'pace', they'll finish 71-91 (tied for 4th worst record in MLB).

2007-08-19 19:18:34
379.   Shaun P
PS - Commence drooling:

"An important moment in the Yankees' season came on July 20, in a blowout loss to Tampa Bay, when Edwar Ramirez imploded on the mound.

. . .

It also seems to have convinced Manager Joe Torre that resting a rookie for two weeks, as he did in that case, is counterproductive.

. . .

But now that he has two prized young arms in his bullpen in Ramirez and Joba Chamberlain, Torre says he is committed to using them regularly."

(From Tyler Kepner's awesome BATS blog at the Times.)

2007-08-19 19:40:24
380.   Mattpat11
With any luck, there's still time for Vazquez to completely fall apart and match those projections.
2007-08-19 20:02:36
381.   Jeb
When the Yanks take the Sawx out of the division, whip the Tigers in the ALDS, beat the Angels in the ALCS and take out the D-Backs in the series, I will come back here and post the following:

"The Saw are dead. So ar the Tigers...The Angels....D-Backs. Today I took care of all family business."

2007-08-19 20:19:26
382.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
376 No offense taken RIY: everyone hates O'Hare.
2007-08-19 20:32:44
383.   tommyl
379 I'm impressed he brought in Edwar today, instead of waiting for another "situation" suited for him or whatever. The kid can deal. I'm still skeptical on Torre though. Lets see what happens after Edwar gives up the inevitable run or two. Does Joe continue to go to him?

Meanwhile Joba is freakishly good so far. He made Magglio look like a little leaguer, almost as bad as Tejada last week.

2007-08-19 20:52:41
384.   Vandelay Industries
383 You and me both. Villone was warming today after all. Check out the Abraham writeup on Wang. Yet another reason why keeping Myers made more sense.

I would actually rather see Joba pitch two innings or three innings at a time rather than one. In the old days, when they would call guys up who were planning on becoming starters, they would put them in the pen and build up their arm strength. With all the babying of pitchers these days, I find it ironic and downright stupid that clubs call youngsters up and throw them right into the rotation, almost guaranteeing more injuries than if they had used them out of the pen first. I think Joba's development would be better served by pitching a couple or three innings and then taking two days off, rather than one inning every other day, which, according to the evidence, is actually harder on the arm and shoulder than the former.

But I don't think it will matter. Joba in the rotation is a pipe dream if he keeps this up. He will go the way of Papelbon and never see the light of day in the Yankees rotation. There was a spirited discussion here some time back as to what role would make him more valuable, and although I think he has more value as a starter, given the evolution of the bullpen, that may not be true anymore. Most notably because Joe Torre has such a short hook. Almost never letting a pitcher stretch into the seventh or eighth inning once he gives up a hit if his pitch count is at or over one hundred. This short hook creates a situation where the Yankees routinely need someone to pitch the seventh inning. So Joba is certainly more valuable as a starter on a team with a manager who understands his starters, on the Yankees however, he may have more value in his current role, so long as Joe is at the helm.

2007-08-19 21:33:54
385.   Mattpat11
I do think its funny. ESPN and Baseball Tonight, who have been insisting for two years that the Blue Jays are the real deal, have just completely given up on reality. They still insist on calling them a contender.
2007-08-19 21:34:41
386.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I'm really impressed by Edwar, not just his stuff but as a person.

I think he has a burning desire to succeed in the big leagues.

You can sort of sense that just in his interviews, but then in the postgame today, when Joba was asked about Edwar, Joba said that he and Edwar had talked a bit in the pen in Scranton, specifically about what it was like pitching out of the pen in NY, but then Edwar had added, "when I get back up there I'm never coming back down to the minors again."

I think this kid is special, and per today, I think maybe the 8th inning, sandwiched between a hard thrower like Joba/Farns and Mo in the 9th, would be ideal for him.

2007-08-19 21:44:17
387.   Mattpat11
And "like Mariano Rivera" Joe Borowski has "run into a little bit of a brick wall."

Apparently this brick wall is "the 21st century"

2007-08-19 21:47:18
388.   Vandelay Industries
386 I agree. I do think they found a role for Farny. Pitch him in the sixth or seventh, but no later. I would use Joba for two innings more often than for one, but Farny, Joba, Ramirez, MO looks pretty good to me. Now if we could just take away the Villone button, unless we're up or down by ten, we'd be looking as good as any bullpen in the AL.

It is just too bad that Seattle chose this time of year to really get that offense clicking, ot we would be pulling away right now. We have to paste the Angels.

2007-08-19 21:49:33
389.   Mattpat11
386 Now now, there's no reason to add Worthless into that mix. Such a Buzkill.
2007-08-19 21:51:53
390.   Mattpat11
388 YES. We need to beat the Angels. If I hear one more person say "Well, its the Angels, you have to expect to lose" I'll scream.

Guess what people. If we make the playoffs, we're probably facing the Angels in the first round. Should we forfeit the first round of the playoffs because "well, we always lose to the Angels!"

2007-08-19 22:01:13
391.   Vandelay Industries
The Yankees don't "Always Lose" to any Team. Let's just make that clear.
2007-08-19 22:40:15
392.   Yu-Hsing Chen
To be fair, the Jays had been just as injury plagued and underperforming as the Yankees had been this season, if they had gotten fully healthy seasons out of Doc and Burnett and BJ Ryan, i'd think they'd be right there with Seattle at the least.

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