Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
2007-08-14 15:25
by Cliff Corcoran
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It sounds like a curse word, or a sneeze. It's tonight's starting pitcher. This is what Rod's "Ha!" hath wrought. The O's counter with the untamable fastball of Daniel Cabrera. Three of the last four Oriole games have ended in the victor's last at-bat, all to the Yankees' favor. Could more late-inning heroics be in the works? That might be the only way the Yanks get out of this one with a win.

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2007-08-14 15:37:14
1.   Cliff Corcoran
Hey, keep the previous thread alive with Scooter memories if you've got 'em.
2007-08-14 15:39:02
2.   cult of basebaal
it sounds more like the name of an intestinal bug to me ... as in, "man, last weekend sucked, i caught a bad case of the karstens down in tijuana ..."

Mientkiewicz, on the other hand, definitely sounds like a sneeze ...

2007-08-14 15:39:30
3.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ah, Cliff, ye of little faith.

We play today, we win today.

2007-08-14 15:40:34
4.   Cliff Corcoran
3 Hey, I didn't say they wouldn't win, just that it won't be easy.
2007-08-14 15:42:40
5.   weeping for brunnhilde
My God, it's amazing how many vacant seats there were in the upper deck back in the seventies and eighties.

Compared to today, it almost looks like a minor league game.

2007-08-14 15:43:14
6.   weeping for brunnhilde
4 All right, then.


2007-08-14 15:46:21
7.   yankz
Call me crazy, but I'm sticking to my wish from yesterday. 6 IP, 4 R, Yanks win big.
2007-08-14 15:46:36
8.   weeping for brunnhilde
"And while it's in the air, happy birthday to Dorothy Lapazan!"
2007-08-14 15:47:39
9.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, God, this is a fantastic montage of Scooter clips.

It's all coming flooding back.

What a beautiful man.

2007-08-14 16:03:57
10.   weeping for brunnhilde
Look at Joe with his hand affectionately, protectively placed on Yogi's shoulder.

Very touching.

2007-08-14 16:09:24
11.   Vandelay Industries
Go Karstens GO! You are the spitting image of my cousin in Elmira....make the Yankees proud today.
2007-08-14 16:09:39
12.   weeping for brunnhilde
Singleton just praised Scooter for his unfailing enthusiasm with the game, day in, day out, win, lose or draw.

He really loved the game.

2007-08-14 16:09:51
13.   Alex Belth
Pretty tough watching Yogi there. Man, I've been thinking that Torre looks old this summer but he looks young next to Yogi--which of course he is comparitavely. But Yogi looked especially small and fragile with all those microphones jammed in his face, all the cameras clicking away. His eyes were watery and Torre had his arm around his shoulder in a reassuring, guiding way. Very touching.
2007-08-14 16:10:42
14.   nemecizer
Let's win this one for the Scooter.
2007-08-14 16:10:46
15.   weeping for brunnhilde
A nice 86 mph fastball over the dish to start it off.
2007-08-14 16:10:59
16.   Vandelay Industries
Wow! An 0-2 count!
2007-08-14 16:11:27
17.   Alex Belth
Scooter might have loved the game but he loved playing golf, talking about Cannolis and leaving the game early to beat the traffic as much as anything I can remember. They put together a nice package before the game with some of Scooter's good moments. It was always the dead air stuff, the random slip-ups and goofs that made him so great. Just like baseball, where you have to endure so much tedium. It was during those moments when Scooter could come out with his best stuff.
2007-08-14 16:12:20
18.   weeping for brunnhilde
13 That's exactly right, Alex. I had the same impression about Joe suddenly looking young and sprightly again next to Yogi.
2007-08-14 16:12:56
19.   Vandelay Industries
Every time a pitch is hit to right center, I feel like Abreu and Cabrera are going to go to war over it.
2007-08-14 16:13:04
20.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow, Karstens got away with one there.

I fear this will be a long night.

2007-08-14 16:13:30
21.   Vandelay Industries
20 Shhhhhhhhh......
2007-08-14 16:14:14
22.   weeping for brunnhilde
17 Yes, absolutely.
2007-08-14 16:14:40
23.   monkeypants
Karstens, Shelly Duncan...separated at birth?
2007-08-14 16:14:47
24.   Vandelay Industries
Looks like he and Posada had a long chat with Kerrigan and Guidry prior to this game. Nice mixing of pitches right there.
2007-08-14 16:14:50
25.   Alex Belth
Cliff's Humphrey Bogart call on Kartsens is still the best...
2007-08-14 16:14:56
26.   weeping for brunnhilde
So that's a change from Karstens.

One of those changes that's just this side of being a breaking ball.

2007-08-14 16:15:27
27.   weeping for brunnhilde
19 Hehhe heh.
2007-08-14 16:16:36
28.   weeping for brunnhilde
25 Cliff thinks Karstens looks like Bogart?
2007-08-14 16:17:10
29.   weeping for brunnhilde
Don't pitch out!

Just get Tejada out.

2007-08-14 16:17:34
30.   weeping for brunnhilde
Don't worry about the runner, just get Miggy out.
2007-08-14 16:18:29
31.   Vandelay Industries
One C, of the C & C boys makes a great play.
2007-08-14 16:18:43
32.   weeping for brunnhilde

God, I HATE watching Cano go get those.

It's amazing to me A) that Abreu never calls him off on those and B) that Robby actually catches them every time, even though I'm sure everything's about to end in fiasco.

2007-08-14 16:19:35
33.   monkeypants
Hmmm...Cano calling off Abreu, relatively deep in RF.
2007-08-14 16:20:16
34.   weeping for brunnhilde
33 I really don't like it, but it seems to work.
2007-08-14 16:22:16
35.   weeping for brunnhilde
33 Maybe Robby really gets off on the adrenaline there.

Maybe it's something to do with his competitive instinct needing indulging.

2007-08-14 16:23:46
36.   Vandelay Industries
Kazmir against the Lester love fest.....we need to win this game.
2007-08-14 16:24:56
37.   weeping for brunnhilde
I think Alex's going to hit one here.
2007-08-14 16:26:30
38.   weeping for brunnhilde

No way, that's outside.

2007-08-14 16:26:33
39.   Vandelay Industries
Yikes.............only 6 inches off the plate....
2007-08-14 16:27:05
40.   weeping for brunnhilde
He'll hit one later.

He's looking locked in.

2007-08-14 16:28:29
41.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, does Hideki look to jerk it out on this pitch?
2007-08-14 16:28:51
42.   weeping for brunnhilde

He was, but bad pitch to drive.

2007-08-14 16:29:06
43.   OldYanksFan
That 2nd strike to ARod was AT LEAST 5" outside. How can you stand right behind the plate and not see that?

I honestly believe the Umps are trying to keep the games as short as possible.

It I had my say, I would raise the mound and make the plate 'intelligent' so there were no more wrong inside/outside calls.

2007-08-14 16:29:34
44.   Vandelay Industries
Now can Kazmir get Lowell out?
2007-08-14 16:30:18
45.   monkeypants
43 The overhead camera showed that the pitch was much closer than that, though it certainly was a ball.
2007-08-14 16:31:03
46.   RIYank
Yankee Stadium does not have QuesTec, right?
2007-08-14 16:31:36
47.   weeping for brunnhilde
44 Why yes! Yes he can.
2007-08-14 16:32:55
48.   weeping for brunnhilde
I think if Alex hadn't have been there, Derek comes close to catching that.
2007-08-14 16:32:58
49.   Vandelay Industries
That was odd between Alex and Jete. That looked catchable.
2007-08-14 16:33:45
50.   Vandelay Industries

I agree. What are the chances that Alex falls into the stands? No to be critical, just not his style.

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2007-08-14 16:34:01
51.   monkeypants
48 It's all A-Rod's fault.
2007-08-14 16:34:23
52.   Vandelay Industries
Two Walks and COUNTING!
2007-08-14 16:34:49
53.   weeping for brunnhilde
51 Heh.
2007-08-14 16:34:58
54.   RIYank
The presence of QuesTec reduces the chance that a pitch is called a strike. That's why I ask.
2007-08-14 16:35:47
55.   weeping for brunnhilde
50 Exactly. That's Derek's ball or it's no one's ball.
2007-08-14 16:35:49
56.   Vandelay Industries
Three Walks and COUNTING!
2007-08-14 16:36:35
57.   RIYank
The pitches are close. I'm not sure what that means. I think it means he's more scared than wild. But maybe not.
2007-08-14 16:36:57
58.   monkeypants
54 et al.

Calm down boys. Did any of you see the overhead replay? The pitch was really pretty close--certainly it didn't warrant this much commentary.

2007-08-14 16:37:03
59.   3rd gen yankee fan
Wow, "Louisiana Lightnin" came from the Scooter? Cool.
2007-08-14 16:37:19
60.   weeping for brunnhilde

Here we are, in a tight spot.

Nice bunt, nice play.

2007-08-14 16:38:54
61.   weeping for brunnhilde
58 I did and it was close, yet clearly off the plate.
2007-08-14 16:39:00
62.   RIYank
58 It's just that I've been reading about this.
It looks like umpires call more strikes than they should, in general -- and they probably do it deliberately. The evidence is that when they know that QuesTec is watching them, they call fewer strikes. (Umpires get graded in QuesTec parks.)
2007-08-14 16:39:41
63.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice play, Alex.

Please stay.

2007-08-14 16:39:53
64.   RIYank
Ooof. Three more inches and Alex catches that, no damage.
2007-08-14 16:40:05
65.   weeping for brunnhilde
That's really an amazing play for a guy with his frame.


2007-08-14 16:40:21
66.   Vandelay Industries
What do you know, the leadoff walk scores.
2007-08-14 16:40:57
67.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, nice job.

They're on to Karstens, though.

Not sure how we're going to get through this one.

Let's go, sticks!

2007-08-14 16:41:25
68.   RIYank
So, that was a bad inning. But I think it wasn't such a bad sign. The O's have only one hit in the two innings, so JK might be okay if he can throw more strikes.
2007-08-14 16:42:16
69.   RIYank
67 They're onto him, meaning they won't swing at bad pitches, right? I agree. So he has to stop throwing bad pitches! Can he? That's the question.
2007-08-14 16:42:50
70.   David
If Karstens can go 6 giving up 1 run every 2 innings then he will have done his job. Let's go hitters!
2007-08-14 16:43:00
71.   monkeypants
62 I'm not sure how many strikes an umpire 'should' call (other than the obvious--all of them that are strikes), but the fact that they call fewer in Questec stadiums is interesting.
2007-08-14 16:43:07
72.   weeping for brunnhilde
68 Maybe.

But if he throws strikes, they'll probably hit them.

He's just managing to keep them off-balance with that breaking ball, but that's a pretty transparent ruse.

2007-08-14 16:43:35
73.   RIYank
Lester with 4 K, 1 BB, no H through two innings.
2007-08-14 16:44:25
74.   cult of basebaal
man you guys should have been with me the last time i went to the local yankees bar to watch a game ... i ended up sitting next to a yankee fan and we started talking ... turns out, he just moved out here from brooklyn to start a new career ... as a scout for the Dodgers

then it turns out, his previous career was as an Umpire; he'd made it all the way to AA before deciding to call it quits

we started talking about umpiring and i made the mistake of saying i thought the biggest problem was when umps were inconsistent ... you'd have thought i'd pissed on his cat or something, he got all agitated and started ranting about having to be perfect all the time and how i should try doing my job that way

as an aside, for somebody who wanted to be a scout and had obviously spent a lot of time on a baseball diamond, this guy was completely clueless ... he thought our dear own jeff karstens was going to be a good ML pitcher (as in we talked about hughes and joba pitching the night before and then brought up karstens as the next in the line of good young pitching ... 1 of these things is not like the other), that hopefully joba could replace EDSP (he essentially called joba's 2ip 4k performance, "proctor-like") and that the reason he didn't like robbie cano was that cano was "the laziest guy" on the field

interesting instincts for a wanna-be scout ...

2007-08-14 16:44:30
75.   weeping for brunnhilde
Jorgie's been getting overwhelmed with the high heat, lately.
2007-08-14 16:44:37
76.   monkeypants
70 Yep, all he needs to do is go through the line up twice. If he can minimize damage for five or (ideally) six innings, he'll have done the job of a long man/spot starter.
2007-08-14 16:45:14
77.   cult of basebaal
argh, that should be he brought up karstens ...
2007-08-14 16:46:26
78.   RIYank
71 Oh, well, here's how I understand it. They call fewer strikes (but only slightly, I think it's 1% fewer) when they know that QuesTec is checking up on them. So they think they're calling the strikes they "should" in those games. So in other games, they are calling more strikes than they (think they) should.

The study, by the way, was looking for racial bias in calling balls and strikes. It found some, a very small amount.

Yeesh, good inning for Cabrera.

2007-08-14 16:47:14
79.   Vandelay Industries
That was a nice pitch. Cabrera isn't good enough to get the call, but it was a nice pitch.
2007-08-14 16:47:26
80.   weeping for brunnhilde
74 Wow, indeed.
2007-08-14 16:47:58
81.   cult of basebaal
62 yes, but they aren't racists when they know questec is watching them either
2007-08-14 16:48:38
82.   weeping for brunnhilde
79 It was a nice pitch.

The perfect 0-2 pitch.

2007-08-14 16:49:08
83.   cult of basebaal
ah, i see that's already been brought up ... never mind

that's what happens when i sit down to type out telling a story


2007-08-14 16:49:18
84.   weeping for brunnhilde


Just like that.

2007-08-14 16:49:18
85.   Vandelay Industries
Yankee bats making Steve Phillips look prophetic.
2007-08-14 16:49:33
86.   RIYank
81 Right. But why "but"?
2007-08-14 16:50:09
87.   RIYank
Well, Weeping, you were wrong. They're still swinging at bad pitches!
2007-08-14 16:51:10
88.   cult of basebaal
ya know, scott kazmir might really be something ... if he didn't throw 20 pitches a damn inning
2007-08-14 16:51:34
89.   weeping for brunnhilde
87 Yes, they are, but they're also hitting everything hard.
2007-08-14 16:53:21
90.   RIYank
And again a ball out of the zone! How did he hit that hard when he fouled off five pitches?
2007-08-14 16:53:34
91.   cult of basebaal
85 ?
2007-08-14 16:53:37
92.   Vandelay Industries
78 If I recall correctly, there were some serious scientific concerns with the efficacy of that study.
2007-08-14 16:53:41
93.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh fuck.

Miggy's ready to tee off.

2007-08-14 16:54:17
94.   Mattpat11
Apparently Kei Igawa is Japanese for Jeff karstens.
2007-08-14 16:54:32
95.   weeping for brunnhilde
90 Those were solid foul balls.

Good defensive swings.

2007-08-14 16:54:56
96.   monkeypants
78 If it's less than 1%, can we really posit conscious effort or motivation? Are we talking sample error?
2007-08-14 16:55:10
97.   Vandelay Industries
91 He said the Yankees will miss the playoffs becuase the offense will fade from this pace, and our pitching cannot overcome it. But then again, I predicted that goatees would lose favor somewhere around 1999, but yet he keeps his.
2007-08-14 16:55:41
98.   monkeypants
94 : )
2007-08-14 16:55:46
99.   cult of basebaal
jesus, karstens really does look like the reversed image of shelley duncan ... except somehow he's grown mustaches where his eyelids should be

damn, between duncan, karstens and matsui, we've got some real heavy hitters in the major league all-ugly team

2007-08-14 16:56:02
100.   Mattpat11
Someone really needs to explain the purpose of Steve Phillips to me.
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2007-08-14 16:56:10
101.   weeping for brunnhilde
I guess he's too ready to tee off.

Man, he's a dangerous hitter.

More junk low and away.

You have to get him out there, or you won't get him out.

2007-08-14 16:56:22
102.   Vandelay Industries
96 That study was about as scientific as the poll you take at the mall. Much like the hokus pokus study the NBA did.
2007-08-14 16:56:42
103.   weeping for brunnhilde
Or you could put him on.
2007-08-14 16:57:02
104.   cult of basebaal
argh ... eyebrows!!! where his EYEBROWS should be ... sigh ...
2007-08-14 16:57:03
105.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ok, that's fine.

I'll take that.

2007-08-14 16:57:12
106.   Mattpat11
99 Jay Gibbons is in the ballpark. No one compares, until you start hitting the Julian Taverez and Kevin Youkilis of the world.
2007-08-14 16:57:15
107.   Vandelay Industries
Four Walks and COUNTING!
2007-08-14 16:57:45
108.   RIYank
92 Like what?
It was in TIME magazine, and David Pinto discussed it -- I haven't read it or any serious scientific critique of it. (It was done by an economist.)

96 Well, it was a very big sample, so the result is significant.

2007-08-14 16:57:56
109.   weeping for brunnhilde
But now it's Millar.

How we gonna get him out?

2007-08-14 16:58:21
110.   weeping for brunnhilde
Got away with one there.

Hittable breaking ball right over the dish.

2007-08-14 16:58:34
111.   weeping for brunnhilde
Two in a row!
2007-08-14 16:59:06
112.   RIYank
102 What was the matter with it?

The NBA didn't do a study. You're thinking of one done by a couple of economists (again! they love this stuff). But that one wasn't "hocus pocus".

2007-08-14 16:59:06
113.   weeping for brunnhilde
Third time's a charm.


Three in a row?

2007-08-14 16:59:41
114.   weeping for brunnhilde
What the hell kind of pitch selection was that?
2007-08-14 16:59:58
115.   weeping for brunnhilde
And another one!

God, make him stop!!!

2007-08-14 17:00:17
116.   monkeypants
Hmmm...I retract my "only needs to go through the line up twice" comment. This is shaping up to get ugly.
2007-08-14 17:00:23
117.   RIYank
Wow. Aubrey Huff.

Oh well!

2007-08-14 17:00:23
118.   weeping for brunnhilde
2007-08-14 17:00:47
119.   pistolpete
so who's the long man for this disaster?
2007-08-14 17:01:01
120.   Vandelay Industries
There's your ball game.
2007-08-14 17:01:05
121.   weeping for brunnhilde
This is what I meant when I said they were on to Karstens.


2007-08-14 17:01:10
122.   cult of basebaal
100 to make people like john kruk and eric young look smart?

err, make that smarter ... i'm afraid nothing is going to make either of them look smart

2007-08-14 17:01:17
123.   3rd gen yankee fan
Yuk! Karstens looked so good in that start where he broke his leg!
2007-08-14 17:01:17
124.   SF Yanks
I never want to see Karstens face again in Pinstripes. Never. Again. He sucks.
2007-08-14 17:01:23
125.   RIYank
Man. I had some hopes for Jeff. Poor kid.
2007-08-14 17:01:32
126.   monkeypants
This is making me wish Igawa was starting.
2007-08-14 17:01:49
127.   weeping for brunnhilde
Now, if Igawa were pitching...
2007-08-14 17:02:17
128.   weeping for brunnhilde
125 Poor kid indeed.
2007-08-14 17:03:03
129.   weeping for brunnhilde
As I mentioned yesterday, it's a good thing we stole the previous two ballgames, no?
2007-08-14 17:03:12
130.   Mattpat11
Jeff Karstens has allowed 34 baserunners in 13 innings
2007-08-14 17:03:24
131.   Vandelay Industries
I guess I can deal. Clemens had to do what he did, and I expected this result today.
2007-08-14 17:04:00
132.   cult of basebaal
the problem with karstens is he doesn't have the stuff to get people out ... so he nibbles, without the command or the reputation to get alot of borderline calls ... so he walks people ... then he throws fat pitches ... then he gets shelled

there is no reason he should be on this team ahead of sean henn ...

2007-08-14 17:04:37
133.   Mike T
The boos must be raining down on Karstens.
2007-08-14 17:05:51
134.   cult of basebaal
actually, this destruction is probably for the best long term ... there's just no hiding the fact that karstens isn't any sort of answer for a team fighting for a playoff spot
2007-08-14 17:06:44
135.   weeping for brunnhilde
124 I wouldn't go that far.

His stuff is good enough to be a middling pitcher if he learns to pitch and can work on control.

His problem is that he throws too many meatballs. If he can learn to live on the corners and keep 'em off-balance (as he did a few batters), he might not suck.

2007-08-14 17:07:04
136.   Vandelay Industries
134 I agree. Go Minnesota!
2007-08-14 17:07:07
137.   Vandelay Industries
134 I agree. Go Minnesota!
2007-08-14 17:07:21
138.   weeping for brunnhilde
132 Yup.
2007-08-14 17:08:10
139.   OldYanksFan
Lets hope Kazmir has our back
2007-08-14 17:08:34
140.   weeping for brunnhilde
In fact, his breaking balls are so hittable that they basically become glorified changeups.

In that case, perhaps he's better off just abandoning the breaking ball altogether.

I don't know.

Nice job, Robby.

Thanks for that, Peyton.

2007-08-14 17:08:58
141.   weeping for brunnhilde
Come on, Team, let's win this one for Scooter!
2007-08-14 17:09:20
142.   yankz
Well this sucks.

Eh, we all expected to lose. Just hope SEA and BOS do too.

It's not over. Even if they are being no-hit.

2007-08-14 17:10:18
143.   weeping for brunnhilde
RI, I think when I said they were on to him, I meant that the break on his breaking ball wasn't fooling anyone.
2007-08-14 17:11:30
144.   weeping for brunnhilde
Come on, Derek, let's rally here.
2007-08-14 17:12:02
145.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn it.

Bad pitch to swing at, Derek.


2007-08-14 17:12:25
146.   Mattpat11
134 I agree.

For months, people were talking about how the Yankees had help coming in the form of Phil Hughes and Jeff Karstens

I was sure I was just missing something. Turns out I wasn't.

2007-08-14 17:12:27
147.   Mattpat11
134 I agree.

For months, people were talking about how the Yankees had help coming in the form of Phil Hughes and Jeff Karstens

I was sure I was just missing something. Turns out I wasn't.

2007-08-14 17:12:43
148.   cult of basebaal
135 of the rookies i have seen this year, karstens has the worst stuff ... i have zero confidence in his ability to be even an average ML pitcher
2007-08-14 17:13:00
149.   RIYank
143 Yeah, that turned out to be true.

Well, I'm outa here, for about an hour. See youse.

2007-08-14 17:14:06
150.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn it.

Both Derek and Melky made outs on bad pitches.

No problem, though.

We play today, we win today.

Next inning.

Karstens coming back?

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2007-08-14 17:14:09
151.   Mattpat11
148 Lets be fair. Matt DeSalvo was probably the worst.
2007-08-14 17:14:18
152.   yankz
I wonder if the ceremonies/sadness have anything to do with it.
2007-08-14 17:14:29
153.   weeping for brunnhilde
149 Later.
2007-08-14 17:15:19
154.   Yankees Brasil
Man, Cabrera has a no-hit going so far..
bad bad game
2007-08-14 17:15:20
155.   Mattpat11
150 I can't imagine they send him back out. You know they were praying he'd get through the inning so he wouldn't hear as bad it from the crowd when he was taken out.
2007-08-14 17:15:51
156.   Yankees Brasil
154 no-hitter that is...
2007-08-14 17:16:02
157.   OldYanksFan
I wish they would Yogi alone. Death of a loved one is hard on anybody, but especially on the elderly.

What do you expect him to say? Lets give the guy a few weeks to grieve before we ask him to memorialize Scooter for our own needs.

2007-08-14 17:16:09
158.   monkeypants
131 I'm not sure Clemens had to do anything, but he certainly didn't have to drop his appeal and take his suspension this week.

Ah well, I guess the piper was going to be paid sometime. It's too bad Wang couldn't give more yesterday, so that the BP was set up better.

2007-08-14 17:16:39
159.   OldYanksFan
Leave him the Hell alone!
TB rallying...
2007-08-14 17:16:44
160.   Vandelay Industries
Rays with runners on third and first no out.
2007-08-14 17:17:14
161.   weeping for brunnhilde
151 Agreed.

148 Yeah, whatever. I'm not going to start talking up Jeff Karstens. Just saying that with some effective coaching, he might not suck someday.

That's all.


2007-08-14 17:17:59
162.   Vandelay Industries
158 I don't want to rehash this, but when a team thows at your best player four times in three games, yes, you have to do something.
2007-08-14 17:18:00
163.   cult of basebaal
147 perhaps you can come up with a charming mantra for all of us here at the Banter to use in subconsciously convincing Cashman to ship Karstens back to AAA ...

though maybe you should find a way to incorporate "GONE" into it ... otherwise we might find ourselves stuck with Igawa in exchange

2007-08-14 17:18:11
164.   yankz
158 Yeah, I really hope Wang's not hurt. As our ace, I really expected him to step up big, knowing what lay ahead. They need to be able to count on him the rest of the season- a fingernail problem would get in the way of that.
2007-08-14 17:18:17
165.   Vandelay Industries
The Rays score a run!
2007-08-14 17:19:24
166.   weeping for brunnhilde
What the hell, is Roberts going to steal home, now?

Please, let's not be embarrassed tonight.

Those days are over.

2007-08-14 17:19:41
167.   yankz
Why not just let him take home?
2007-08-14 17:19:41
168.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Melky.

Thank you.

We needed that.

2007-08-14 17:19:46
169.   Vandelay Industries
Both the Clevaland and Boston games look like pretty competitive affairs, if anyone doesn't want to watch Yankee slop day.
2007-08-14 17:20:06
170.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn, what a fine play.

Damn, that was really amazing.

2007-08-14 17:20:47
171.   yankz
Wow. Go Melk.
2007-08-14 17:21:05
172.   3rd gen yankee fan
Melky just makes it look so easy.
2007-08-14 17:22:01
173.   Vandelay Industries
I have almost nothing bad to say about Cashman these days, but this game really exposes how bad our bullpen still is when we're behind big. Once we fall behind, our pen makes it impossible to stay in the game.
2007-08-14 17:22:03
174.   weeping for brunnhilde
158 It is too bad, but let's just be grateful we won.

That alone softens this one considerably.

2007-08-14 17:22:39
175.   weeping for brunnhilde
172 He really does.
2007-08-14 17:22:47
176.   3rd gen yankee fan
I love these older timers' stories.
2007-08-14 17:23:25
177.   yankz
176 Yeah, definitely the bright spot so far.
2007-08-14 17:23:55
178.   Mattpat11
163 All we'd have to do is convince Cashman that he was a "Tampa signing"

And Karstens is American Igawa.

2007-08-14 17:24:33
179.   David
This game will give Torre and Cashman a chance to see which guys in the bottom half of the pitching staff can't help the team. I hope they take the message to heart and give some other guys a chance in the majors while post-season eligibility is still possible.
2007-08-14 17:25:58
180.   cult of basebaal
alright ... i'm a bad fan and an even lousier human being for it, but i'm gonna take one for the team and say it anyway ...

for the good of the season ...brower needs to take a beating here too ... a nasty, ugly, illusion-exposing beating

2007-08-14 17:26:34
181.   JeremyM
173 I agree, especially since an instant upgrade is available: drop Karstens and Brower, add Ramirez and Britton.

I don't know what the team sees in Karstens, if you feature a fastball in the 80s you have to have good control. You see what happens when you don't. It's second guessing, but I would've given Kennedy the shot.

2007-08-14 17:27:20
182.   yankz
Did they just say Joe D introduced Scooter to Marilyn?
2007-08-14 17:27:57
183.   Yankees Brasil
If not for Melky things would be much uglier
2007-08-14 17:28:10
184.   Mattpat11

I agree. Karstens and Brower getting crushed will do the team more good than a win would.

I said the same thing about the likes of Bubba Crosby and The Stinkster. And Aaron Small 2006 version, for that matter.

2007-08-14 17:28:20
185.   yankz
Too bad Brower can't deliver like his wife. Zing!
2007-08-14 17:29:46
186.   weeping for brunnhilde

Nice hit, Hideki!

Nice hit.

Just as I'm thinking that we have to hit, whether we win or not.

2007-08-14 17:29:58
187.   cult of basebaal
well ... in reality, there ought to be a 4 spot overhaul

farnsworth, brower, karstens and villone out

henn, bruney, britton and ramirez in

that's probably far too much upheaval and not enough "experience" to attempt at this point of the season ... but i'd bet my 401k in vegas that that would make a better bullpen than the current one if given a chance

2007-08-14 17:30:12
188.   Mattpat11
181 "I don't know what the team sees in Karstens"

Whatever it is, they really seem to like it. They just keep bringing these people in.

2007-08-14 17:30:40
189.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn it.

Jorgie just missed driving that one into the gap.

2007-08-14 17:30:49
190.   Mattpat11
A hit. That's all I ask for.
2007-08-14 17:31:23
191.   Mattpat11
190 asked for. I'm happy now.
2007-08-14 17:31:38
192.   weeping for brunnhilde
Good cut, Jason.

Let's go!

2007-08-14 17:32:16
193.   cult of basebaal
184 at least crosby was good at his primary job as a LIDR ... neither of these guys can say that
2007-08-14 17:32:32
194.   weeping for brunnhilde
Come on, Jason.

Base hit.

Let's cash this one in.

2007-08-14 17:33:04
195.   yankz
In 8 games last year, Karstens had a 115 ERA+. He did pretty well in his starts last year-

8/22/06: 5.2 IP, 3 ER
8/27 (beat LAA): 6 IP, 3 ER
9/2: 7 IP, 2 ER
9/14: 5 IP, 4 ER
9/19: 6.1 IP, 3 ER
9/30: 6.1 IP, 2 ER

IIRC, he did well in spring and his rehab starts. Breaking his leg essentially meant he had to go through spring training again. I can definitely understand the FO's thinking that he might be an average pitcher when he gets back to normal.

2007-08-14 17:33:12
196.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, good.

Nice ab, Jason.

Come on, Robby.

Keep your cool.

2007-08-14 17:33:47
197.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow, nice take.

That was a good breaking ball.

2007-08-14 17:34:13
198.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice rip.

Ok, good.

He's got the breaking ball down.


2007-08-14 17:34:28
199.   3rd gen yankee fan
182 No, to Cora.
2007-08-14 17:34:44
200.   weeping for brunnhilde

Look breaking ball, Robby.

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2007-08-14 17:34:59
201.   weeping for brunnhilde

Nice swing.

2007-08-14 17:35:09
202.   yankz
188 What do you mean, keep bringing him in? This is his first and most likely last start since being injured. It's also just his third appearance since returning. Were there any other options? Igawa maybe?
2007-08-14 17:35:39
203.   weeping for brunnhilde
Man, Robby's locked in.

Come on, Robby, you can do it!

2007-08-14 17:36:00
204.   weeping for brunnhilde

The worst hack of the ab!

Damn it damn it damn it.

2007-08-14 17:36:10
205.   Mattpat11
193 Bubba Crosby was the worst baseball player I've ever seen. Even in what he was "good at" defense and running, he seemingly paid no attention to his surroundings and repeatedly ran into people. There was a game, in Cleveland, IIRC, where that idiot almost killed Melky Cabrera by diving at him while Melky was camped under a ball. If I was Joe Torre I would have marched out right there with his bags and cut him on the spot.
2007-08-14 17:36:43
206.   randym77
Well, that was almost a nice 2-out rally. :-P
2007-08-14 17:37:16
207.   cult of basebaal
you know, the scary thing is that if it weren't for the fact i have no confidence in the part of the bullpen that's going to get used tonite to hold the orioles down, i'd actually feel like we're totally in this game with the way our offense is clicking right now ...

[cano grounds out weakly, making him 0 for his last 6]

then again ... maybe it's just not our night

2007-08-14 17:37:20
208.   Yankees Brasil
Today is just not the day..
2007-08-14 17:37:35
209.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn it, what happened there.

He looked so good and then he ends up dribbling the ball.

Was he a bit off balance, or did he not hit the ball squarely, or both?

2007-08-14 17:38:45
210.   weeping for brunnhilde
205 You know what, I think I remember that play.
2007-08-14 17:41:04
211.   weeping for brunnhilde
You know what, I worried that was going to get by Derek.

I'm glad it didn't.

2007-08-14 17:41:59
212.   cult of basebaal
205 and here i swear you've always decried that wil nieves was the worst ballplayer you've ever seen ...

your cheating heart ... will tell on you ...

2007-08-14 17:42:03
213.   weeping for brunnhilde
God, Melky!

What a fucking monster!

2007-08-14 17:42:26
214.   Vandelay Industries
Ok need to risk injury. Get the bench guys in there.
2007-08-14 17:43:33
215.   yankz
OK, I'm blaming this on heavy heart syndrome.
2007-08-14 17:43:49
216.   cult of basebaal
well ... at least brower is consistent ... 1 run per inning pitched!
2007-08-14 17:43:49
217.   nyy jim
What an ugly game so far. O's doing everything right and yanks not doing anything. We better have an offensive explosion soon.
2007-08-14 17:43:52
218.   weeping for brunnhilde
The fact that Melky's throw wasn't just strong, but so accurate is amazing.

You'd expect some sloppiness on a play like that, where the chances of success are remote.

But he didn't throw it away in a fit of adrenaline.

Nice and easy.

He's a special kid.

2007-08-14 17:44:30
219.   Vandelay Industries
Is it wrong to want to see Tina Servacio naked?
2007-08-14 17:45:59
220.   cult of basebaal
man ... petey's indignant recaps of the chatter over at LoHud are far more amusing than actually reading the posters there:

UPDATE, 8:31 p.m.: Golly, it appears the Yankees are not going to end the season with a 47-game win streak. Clearly Karstens should be executed, Torre and Cashman fired and Steinbrenner forced to sell the team.

Some of you need to get realistic. The Yankees did not feel one game was worth taking a player off the 25-man and 40-man rosters to bring up Ian Kennedy. Beyond that, they owed Karstens a shot. He threw five pitches with a broken leg on April 28. I'll repeat that, he threw five pitches with a broken leg. He's also not some bum, he had a very good spring training and an 0.92 ERA in six rehab starts in spring training.

Yes, the Yankees might lose and Karstens didn't pitch well. But I suspect they'll show up tomorrow to play.

2007-08-14 17:46:21
221.   williamnyy23
I apologize if I am just repeating a theme, but it really is a shame that the Yankees as an organization essentially decided to toss this game away. Kartsens and Brower shouldn't even be on the major league roster, not to mention featured prominently in an important game. Unfortunately, I don't really know who is to blame: Torre, Cashman or both? Regardless, to go into this game undermanned when other resources were available is either irresponsible or incompetent.

Also, it is very disappointing that the offense seems as if it quit on the game. Despite facing a notoriously wild pitcher, the Yankees have gone up hacking since falling behind. Jeter's 2-0 pop up set a very bad tone of resignation, a feeling that had been missing. Hopefully a game like this one followed by the challenge of Bedard and Verlander doesn't throw this team back into funk.

2007-08-14 17:47:10
222.   Mattpat11
202 Its not just him. It seems we have a never ending run of pitchers with no fastball, no control, an alleged breaking ball and the change that's never anywhere near the zone. If I have to hear "His best pitch is his changeup" one more time I'll scream. Because they don't mean that in the Trevor Hoffman sense. That's "everything else sucks"

Chase Wright and DeSalvo and Igawa and Karstens

I've never seen so many people with absolutely no control that can barely break a pane of glass. And everytime I turn around, there's another one.

2007-08-14 17:47:37
223.   pistolpete
215 Oh whatever. The Yanks buried their teammate in '79 and still won the damn game.

I'd prefer to blame it on awful Karstens.

2007-08-14 17:48:37
224.   williamnyy23
Another first pitch swing by the Captain...he's not showing very good leadership tonight.
2007-08-14 17:48:44
225.   weeping for brunnhilde
What's up with Derek?

Second poor ab of the night.

Why is he flailing at that pitch?

2007-08-14 17:49:17
226.   cult of basebaal
222 you should take up scouting ... i know a guy with an in with the Dodgers!!!
2007-08-14 17:50:28
227.   weeping for brunnhilde

What's Peyton doing so shallow?

Nicely struck, Bobby.

2007-08-14 17:50:59
228.   randym77
It always comes back to pitching, doesn't it? I was worried about this team because of their pitching before the season started, and I was still worried about it when the Yanks were hitting like crazy.
2007-08-14 17:50:59
229.   Mattpat11
220 I was wholly unaware that the Yankees owed anyone anything in the heat of a pennant race.
2007-08-14 17:51:19
230.   monkeypants
222 Every team has the same collection of clowns at AAA--that's why they are at AAA. Few teams also call up a Hughes and Chamberlain in the same season.
2007-08-14 17:52:16
231.   yankz
223 That explains the pitching, not the hitting. Cabrera sucks.

222 You just cited two minor league pitchers who were only called up because the major league rotation was falling apart and the Yankees didn't want to rush Phil and Joba. Again- who else?

Igawa's in the minor leagues. Karstens, Pete, cult, and I have already covered.

Seriously- who else tonight?

2007-08-14 17:53:23
232.   yankz
Perhaps Brower should've gotten the start.
2007-08-14 17:53:45
233.   cult of basebaal
230 and a ramirez ...
2007-08-14 17:53:46
234.   Mattpat11
215 They did, however, lose the first game they played after he died
2007-08-14 17:55:37
235.   Mattpat11
230 I'm including Igawa. Since they broke the bank for Igawa and refuse to give him up, I can only assume they like this type of pitcher.
2007-08-14 17:55:59
236.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Hideki.

See, this I can't abide.

Just because Karstens is a bad pitcher doesn't mean our defense and hitting get to pack it in.

2007-08-14 17:56:44
237.   yankz
236 Apparently it's not plausible to think something might have disrupted their focus.

Peace, guys. I'm going to read while keeping one ear tuned into

2007-08-14 17:56:54
238.   cult of basebaal
christ ... error on cano ... this game is past ugly ... hopefully they'll get it out of the way, like a drunk who falls off the wagon in a spectacular fashion for 1 night, then wakes chastened and remorseful the night morning, penitent and ready to regain the sober life ...
2007-08-14 17:58:01
239.   yankz
235 Yeah, because Phil, Joba, Kennedy, Clemens, Sanchez, and a bunch of other pitchers they've acquired recently totally fit that description.

Also, Edwar's best pitch is his changeup. That doesn't mean he sucks.

2007-08-14 17:58:19
240.   randym77
Christ on a cracker. This is turning into a disaster.
2007-08-14 17:58:44
241.   williamnyy23
What an absolutely disgusting effort...I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise though...when management quits on the game, one should expect the players to soon follow.

Maybe I am panicking, but a game like this holds a real danger of carrying over, which, considering the tough stretch of games aheads, could put the Yankees back in the hole from which they just recently emerged.

2007-08-14 17:58:44
242.   Mattpat11
238 Its one game. The possible benefits of ridding the team of Karstens and Brower might be worth the loss.
2007-08-14 17:59:20
243.   monkeypants
236 Yep. The biggest weakness still is not the pitching, but the moral character of this team. Sure, it's OK when they're winning 70% of their games since the ASB. But once they get behind, they're laziness and moral weakness really come out. That's not going to cut it in the playoffs, should they have the will and intestinal fortitude to make it.
2007-08-14 18:00:13
244.   cult of basebaal
you know the game's long past ugly when you're sitting there following gameday while singing the words to "Jim Gordon" by the Stormtroopers of Death, substituting Jim Brower's name in whereever (in)appropriate ...
2007-08-14 18:01:19
245.   weeping for brunnhilde
238 ha ha hah ah a!!

Indeed, cob.

But here's the thing, because we managed to steal the previous two, something we'd never have done two months ago, at least now we're not staring down the barrel of a three game funk, which could very easily have been the case.

Tomorrow's the Big Test.

2007-08-14 18:01:52
246.   weeping for brunnhilde
Bases juiced and no out.

Are we having fun yet?

Joe's not, here he comes.

2007-08-14 18:02:37
247.   cult of basebaal
243 i appreciate the effort, i really do ... but i think that you should look to "Cool Hand Luke" and heed the wisdom of Strother Martin ...
2007-08-14 18:02:55
248.   nyy jim
I don't mind when a team has a day off I just hate when they take it on a day they are scheduled to play a game.
2007-08-14 18:03:14
249.   monkeypants
241 You are panicking. There is no observable, verifiable "carry over" effect in baseball. At worst, tonight means the BP gets burned and hurts the team the following couple of days, but that's it. And since Mo and Joba are available tomorrow, I'm not worried about that.
2007-08-14 18:04:20
250.   weeping for brunnhilde
241 Shhhhhhh!!!

Jesus, William, please. You're freaking me out.

Of course that's the danger, of course I'm praying to God this isn't Colorado Part II.

But man, you're going hex everything with all this anxiety.

It's just one game as far as we know, right?




(Please God.)

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2007-08-14 18:04:31
251.   nemecizer
Ugh, one of those nights. At least Boston is losing 1-0 in TB. We'll probably lose a game in the standings this evening.

I am consoling myself by watching my new 1977 World Series DVD set. Thanks for the recommendation, Alex!

2007-08-14 18:05:24
252.   weeping for brunnhilde
They sure are smacking the baseball around the old yard, aren't they?
2007-08-14 18:05:30
253.   monkeypants
247 Thanks, man. By the way, nice post at 244 -- singing such lyrics is one of my favorite guilty pastime.
2007-08-14 18:05:38
254.   williamnyy23
245 But, they Yankees are now staring down the barrel of three game funk because Bedard and Verlander are the next two bullets in the chamber.

Aside from foolishly starting Karstens in this game, the Yankees should have had Clemens appeal his suspension until after his Sunday start. With an off day next Thursday, they could have managed it so that another starter wouldn't have been needed. Anyway you slice it, the Yankees essentially handed this game to the Orioles. If they miss the playoffs by one game, Cashman/Torre will have no one to blame but themselves.

2007-08-14 18:05:48
255.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn, Mora sure looks like Tejada up there.
2007-08-14 18:07:12
256.   weeping for brunnhilde
243 What?

I didn't say that.

2007-08-14 18:07:32
257.   williamnyy23
250 OK...I'll stop. I guess it just really angers me that the Yankees don't feel the same urgency that I do.

If Brower and Karstens are replaced by Edwar and Britton, at least I'll be able to take some consolation.

2007-08-14 18:08:08
258.   cult of basebaal
ooooh, villone is sucking too! maybe we can kill 3 birds with 1 stone tonite ...
2007-08-14 18:08:47
259.   Mattpat11
239 Edwar's changeup is effective because he has something to set it up. If all your other pitches are utter shit, its a disaster, as we learned smashing our heads against the wall with Kei Igawa.

And yes, I was somewhat tongue in cheek when I said we like this shitty type of pitcher. I'd like to think we don't. Its just frustrating as all hell to me that a) I keep seeing this same pitcher over and over again b) Kei Igawa is inexplicably not in Southern California.

2007-08-14 18:09:25
260.   monkeypants
I really hope that they just leave Villone in for the rest of the game. They should have just bit the bullet and sent Karstens out for four or five regardless of the score, but continuing to use pitchers every inning or two wil really burn the BP. Sometimes you have to lose the battle and make some painful sacrifices to win the war.
2007-08-14 18:10:25
261.   weeping for brunnhilde
254 Right, and two months ago it would have been a six-game funk.

Right now, as of right now, they'll have lost one in a row, barring a miracle.

2007-08-14 18:11:31
262.   cult of basebaal
257 yes, but you won't stop thinking it, now will you???

for that, i'd recommend a beer, a bong hit, a steak and a blow job ...

2007-08-14 18:12:28
263.   joe in boston
260 either that, or bring Farnsworth in. Man, what a bummer of a day to be a Yankee fan. I feel bad for the people at the Stadium watching this mess
2007-08-14 18:12:46
264.   Mike T
Our guys only have one measly hit. How pathetic.
2007-08-14 18:12:48
265.   monkeypants
254 261 If they miss the playoffs by one game, this game will sting. The shit ass first two months of te season will sting more.
2007-08-14 18:12:56
266.   David
Given how thin our available pitching staff is tonight, the good news is that extra innings are unlikely. ;)
2007-08-14 18:13:04
267.   cult of basebaal
and now the Times of Trouble begin in Boston ... kazmir is out and the Devil Fishies bullpen is IN
2007-08-14 18:13:15
268.   randym77
On the bright side, Brian Roberts can't steal with the bases loaded.
2007-08-14 18:13:16
269.   weeping for brunnhilde
262 :)
2007-08-14 18:13:30
270.   nyy jim
TB still up 1-0 but Kazmir has been taken out.
2007-08-14 18:13:38
271.   Yankees Brasil
257 Big If, and it gets me worried that it took a beating like this for them to realize that Brower and Karstens shouldn't be here..
2007-08-14 18:14:19
272.   weeping for brunnhilde
263 Ooooh, yes!

Let's do bring in Kyle!

He's a vital element of the circus.

For old times' sake.

2007-08-14 18:14:31
273.   Mike T
260 I imagine a lot of them would have left by now. Why stay when your team is turning in a performance like this?
2007-08-14 18:14:39
274.   Mattpat11
254 I'm not that worried about Verlander because the Yankees knocked him around last year, and to my untrained eye, he really seems to pitch poorly in the big game. He pitched poorly during the pennant race and playoffs last year, and he really wasn't very good in the sllstar game, when in theory, he was playing for his team's HFA.
2007-08-14 18:15:08
275.   Vandelay Industries
271 Yep. And it pains me to say this, but what makes the Sox so much better is that they are capable of winning games like the one they are playing right now, while the Yankees cannot.
2007-08-14 18:15:16
276.   weeping for brunnhilde
268 :)
2007-08-14 18:15:37
277.   Raf
240 Turning? Methinks the game is already there
2007-08-14 18:15:44
278.   cult of basebaal
ooooh ... that's a perfect 3 for 3 for ronny in letting inherited runners score 2nite ... with the way he's failed to pick them up at all this seasons, the rest of the pitching staff should order a Code Red on ron villone's sorry ass ...
2007-08-14 18:16:23
279.   3rd gen yankee fan
Ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly.
2007-08-14 18:16:51
280.   Mattpat11
271 The Yankees (like most MLB teams) really want to desperately catch lightning in a bottle. And like most MLB teams, they're unable to determine that that's not coming any time soon.
2007-08-14 18:17:10
281.   joe in boston
Foul ball - that's the way the cookie crumbles tonight ...
2007-08-14 18:17:24
282.   weeping for brunnhilde
274 It's nice to hear you say that about Verlander.

Frankly, I'm not worried about anyone, the way the sticks have been going, but I will start to worry if we don't put some token runs up on the board.

Like four or five.

2007-08-14 18:17:40
283.   Mattpat11
268 Jhonny Peralta can.
2007-08-14 18:17:58
284.   monkeypants
I pretty much blame this whole game on A-Rod, for getting in Jeter's way in the second inning.
2007-08-14 18:18:42
285.   randym77
What's the worst beating the Yanks have ever suffered? Something like 20 runs down to Cleveland? (More than once, IIRC.)
2007-08-14 18:18:54
286.   weeping for brunnhilde
What's up with Alex?

He almost bit at that slider there, and then swung way out in front of the next one.

His first ab looked very strong.

2007-08-14 18:19:29
287.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ok, nice.

He reached base, good enough.

Let's rally here, Team!

2007-08-14 18:19:44
288.   Mike T
OMG, a hit!
2007-08-14 18:19:45
289.   Yankees Brasil
Another hit!!!!
2007-08-14 18:20:14
290.   Mattpat11
273 I'm in a foul mood. Don't get me started on people who leave baseball games.
2007-08-14 18:20:28
291.   cult of basebaal
and ... you know what ... let's say torre's forced, by conditions completely beyond his control, to pitch Krazy for ... hold on to your hats now, 'cause this is really gonna be crazy!!! ... for MORE THAN ONE INNING???

why maybe, Krazy's arm would fall off or something awful ... and we could DL his sorry ass

this could be the Night of the Long Knives for shitty Yankee pitching

karstens, brower, villone and farnsworth ... all "disappeared" in the dead of night!


2007-08-14 18:20:29
292.   weeping for brunnhilde
284 :)
2007-08-14 18:21:25
293.   monkeypants
286 Dude, calm down. In the same AB he just missed a HR by about three feet--a would be monster shot into the upper deck in LF. I know that HRs are a sign that a hitter is not approaching his AB the right way, but I don't think there is anything "wrong" with A-Rod because he checked his swing on a slider.
2007-08-14 18:21:47
294.   Yankees Brasil
291 sounds great to me..
2007-08-14 18:21:52
295.   Mattpat11
285 22-0 August 31, 2004. Javier Vazquez.
2007-08-14 18:22:27
296.   weeping for brunnhilde
291 Sounds like a plan.

Come on, Jorgie.

Pretend it's a scoreless game.

2007-08-14 18:22:45
297.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn, just missed it.
2007-08-14 18:23:50
298.   cult of basebaal
mattpatt ... do you have a fake ID? Would you like me to go down to Olvera Street here in LA and buy you one?

These kind of games go better for everyone with a liberal application of alcohol ... just sayin'

2007-08-14 18:24:35
299.   weeping for brunnhilde
293 Sure, I'm not trying to say he's in a funk, I was just asking.

Because he didn't seem in his first ab like he'd even think about swinging at that pitch.

I was just comparing ab, honestly wondering.

2007-08-14 18:25:37
300.   weeping for brunnhilde
293 In fact, I don't think that was about approach so much as pitch recognition.

It seemed poorer than in his first ab and I was wondering why.

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2007-08-14 18:25:40
301.   Yankees Brasil
298 Thank god we don't have a drinking age here in Brasil
2007-08-14 18:26:03
302.   RIYank
293 It's a sign that he just doesn't care enough.
A good old fashioned horse-whipping would shape these guys up. Then they'd care.
2007-08-14 18:26:33
303.   cult of basebaal
301 where in brazil are you? and how are you a yankee fan?
2007-08-14 18:26:59
304.   monkeypants
299 I try not to get into what he is or was thinking. But then, this is a consistent difference in approach that we have. In comparing the two Abs, I would simply say that in one he got (almost) fooled by a slider, in the other he didn't. What more is there to ask? If he gets fooled for another few games or a week, then we talk about something.
2007-08-14 18:27:01
305.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
275 Que?

The Sox are so much better?

The Yanks couldn't come back from a 1-0 deficit to TB?

Let's recap. Over the last 2 1/2 months the Yanks are something like 10 1/2 games better than the Sawx. That's more than 1/2 the season as thus played. And the Sawx are what 2 or 3 games over .500 during that 10-11 week stretch?

2007-08-14 18:27:08
306.   3rd gen yankee fan
291 298 I think I love you.
2007-08-14 18:27:19
307.   Mattpat11
298 I have enough booze here. This game is a lot less frustrating that a 3-1 loss. Because good can come of it.
2007-08-14 18:27:30
308.   Eirias
291 An Operation Hummingbird reference? Interesting.
2007-08-14 18:28:04
309.   nyy jim
TB bases loaded, BJ Upton up, 2 out.
2007-08-14 18:28:48
310.   cult of basebaal
wow ... we're all wrapped a bit too tight tonite, just remember the trenchant wisdom of Lionel Hutz, "Sweet Liquor ... eases the pain"
2007-08-14 18:29:16
311.   OldYanksFan
221 I agree. Clearly Karstens should be executed, Torre and Cashman fired and Steinbrenner forced to sell the team.
2007-08-14 18:29:22
312.   weeping for brunnhilde
304 It's just that when I watch these guys hit, I identify with them. I kind of get a sense of what they're likely to swing at, what they're liable to do with certain pitches, how confident they feel, etc.

It's just an intuitive kind of thing, not really something I can turn off.

2007-08-14 18:30:15
313.   RIYank
309 And Timlin is replacing Delcarmen.

310 Bourbon tonight. And cashews. Mmmm. I wish Chyll Will were here.

2007-08-14 18:30:23
314.   Mattpat11
310 I like to quote Ben Franklin

Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

2007-08-14 18:30:30
315.   cult of basebaal
308 wow ... ummm ... not intentionally, at least ... explain, please
2007-08-14 18:31:12
316.   Vandelay Industries
305 No, they don't have the pitching to keep any team from scoring. To be fair you have to look at the Red Sox Team ERA of 3.79 and understand that with their offense, ranked fourth in the AL, that they are better. I am trying to be objective here.
2007-08-14 18:31:18
317.   JeremyM
It's petty and meaningless, but I really wanted a run to score there.

I had this chalked up as a loss and was hoping to be surprised, so eh. Like others have said, if we can clear out some dead wood and were going to lose anyway, it's worth it.

2007-08-14 18:31:38
318.   Max
309 That's the game, there. If TB doesn't score, no way they win a 1-0 game.
2007-08-14 18:31:43
319.   cult of basebaal
310 i like bourbon myself ... well, not as much as now that i got into sipping tequila, but it's a strong second ... what are your favs?
2007-08-14 18:31:45
320.   Yankees Brasil
303 Rio de Janeiro. The first baseball game I watched was a Yankees game, and they won it.. so I decided whenever I'd watch baseball I'd root for the Yankees. But I only started following them regularly in 1996.
2007-08-14 18:31:52
321.   3rd gen yankee fan
At least the Orioles know that we're not hitting them on purpose.
2007-08-14 18:31:55
322.   RIYank
311 This is what I'm saying. Punishment. That's the ticket.

Hey, Ken Arneson fixed the Toaster so that you can now click on a bracket-number link to a Hidden comment and it gets unhidden. Ken's a genius.

2007-08-14 18:32:34
323.   weeping for brunnhilde
304 And there's a lot more to ask.

Just imagine yourself in the batter's box trying to get a hit.

What would you do?

What parts of your body might hurt, forcing you to favor others?

What would you do if the pitcher threw too hard?

I don't know, it's just that having played baseball and playing softball, I imagine myself in those spots.

Just like you can become more aware of your own body, you can become more aware of how an athlete uses his, no?

2007-08-14 18:33:08
324.   Vandelay Industries
316 Sorry, fourth in all of MLB.
2007-08-14 18:33:34
325.   williamnyy23
DRays just wasted a golden opportunity, which pretty much ensures they'll blow the game.
2007-08-14 18:33:46
326.   monkeypants
316 I would argue that, objectively, the Sox are about 4 games better than the Yankees so far this season. However, run differential suggests that they are about even, objectively speaking.
2007-08-14 18:33:58
327.   nyy jim
Upton strikes out on 4 pitches. TB still up 1-0 going into bottom of the 8th.
2007-08-14 18:34:25
328.   RIYank
Timlin gets the K. Ugh.

319 I am very undiscriminating.
Okay, I like Makers' Mark. But right now I'm drinking Evan Williams, which is much cheaper. I have a lot of ice.

And cashews.

2007-08-14 18:34:43
329.   pistolpete
Paging Edwar & Britton, paging Edwar & Britton.
2007-08-14 18:35:09
330.   cult of basebaal
thealarmis texts in saying that he needed to go to his local sports bar in atlanta to see the boys for scooter

to which i texted in return that obviously scooter must have sensed this one coming and decided to check out in the warm afterglow of last night's walk off win ...

2007-08-14 18:35:20
331.   RIYank
326 Objectively schmobjectively. You and your "numbers".
2007-08-14 18:36:10
332.   RIYank
Hey, the D-Rays bring a Rhode Islander to the mound! Good karma, baby.
2007-08-14 18:37:06
333.   Vandelay Industries
326 Huh? The Yankees are first in offense and fourteenth in pitching, while the Sox are second and fourth respectively. The Yankees have won a ton of games by blowing teams out, while not doing so great in close games, meaning the run differential is decieving. I am not trying to bash the Yankees, nor do I think those stats are the end all and be all. Seattle stinks in almost every category, but they are about to make the playoffs.
2007-08-14 18:37:12
334.   monkeypants
331 Fucking stat head 226 .

; )

2007-08-14 18:37:28
335.   pistolpete
330 IMO, Scooter had a hand in making this game so out of reach that everyone could beat the traffic tonight.
2007-08-14 18:37:48
336.   monkeypants
333 Thank you--that was a very objective analysis.
2007-08-14 18:39:27
337.   RIYank
333 Why is the rank order important?

The Yankees run difference is just about the same percentage of the total runs scored in their games, as the Red Sox' is of their total runs. That means they've played just about even with each other, counting both offense and defense.
But the Sox win close games -- their pen is much better. That's most or all of the difference in their actual records.

2007-08-14 18:40:49
338.   RIYank
Of course, tonight our Pythagorean Record is going to get a lot closer to our actual record.
2007-08-14 18:40:59
339.   cult of basebaal
320 if you lived here, that would make you a bandwagon fan ... but hell, you're a baseball fan living in Brazil, you can write your own rules!


how do you follow the games???

2007-08-14 18:41:00
340.   monkeypants
333 More seriously, you can't have it both ways. If your evaluation of the Sox greatness rests on their #1 pitching, #4 hitting (as opposed to the Yankees #14, #1 ranking), then you can't also argue that Seattle is the team to beat for the WC, as you have, but in so doing ignore their own poor rankings in those categories.
2007-08-14 18:41:16
341.   randym77
Well, the fans are pretty much sticking it out. They showed the stands, and they looked reasonably full.
2007-08-14 18:41:35
342.   Mattpat11
311 I'm not entirely against whacking Karstens.


From the team, I mean.

2007-08-14 18:41:50
343.   RIYank
Gagne is warming up.
I'm just sayin'.
2007-08-14 18:42:45
344.   monkeypants
337 340 Correct--ordinal ranking is not nearly as important as percentage differences.
2007-08-14 18:43:56
345.   cult of basebaal
328 ah ... makers mark and knob creek are about where i begin ... except for what i'll mix with coke
2007-08-14 18:43:58
346.   RIYank
The Rhode Islander delivers! 1-2-3 go the Sox.

Quick Quiz:
Who is the best Rhode Islander baseball player in history?

2007-08-14 18:44:05
347.   OldYanksFan
Papi makes the last out of the 8th. TB holdin' on 1-0 after 8.
2007-08-14 18:44:23
348.   Yankees Brasil
339 Yeah I know I know, but we don't get many games here (2 per week maybe) so I thought it was a sign from above that they were showing the Yankees..

I have now, but in the past I'd use gameday and watch the few games they show here..

2007-08-14 18:45:26
349.   Vandelay Industries
337 Agreed. I know their pen has struggled a bit recently, but with Viz, Mo, and Joba being the only guys we have capable of getting anyone out, and the fact that they only pitch when we're ahead late, we still have a downright shitty pen.

Edwar still isn't capable of throwing strikes consistently enough. Why Britton doesn't get a shot is beyond me. I thought using lefty splits as the only criteria to dump Myers over Villone, given Myers was much more effective on the whole, was a mistake. Brower is also a mistake, but I don't see them promotng Kennedy or Britton. Why, I have no clue. Part of developing into a big league pitcher is taking your lumps. Why not let Edwar and Britton take some lumps, when we can take to the bank the fact that Villone and Brower will give up just as many runs?

2007-08-14 18:45:54
350.   RIYank
345 Yeah. Well, I jumped to bourbon from Scotch, largely because my taste in Scotch was getting too expensive for my wallet.

But you don't seem to be noticing the cashews.

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2007-08-14 18:47:07
351.   cult of basebaal
weird ... so they occasionally show baseball games on tv down there?

are there expat sports bars that get them on cable or something???

2007-08-14 18:47:14
352.   Vandelay Industries
347 Yep. He and Andruw Jones will be on the phone later discussing how to talk up their phantom injuries. Jones injured because he would rather swing for the fences in a contract year than help the team, and Papi because he doesn't keep in good enough shape.
2007-08-14 18:47:27
353.   Mattpat11
346 Konerko
2007-08-14 18:47:46
354.   RIYank
349 I totally agree about Edwar and Britton. Well, I don't agree that Edwar can't throw enough strikes, but I mean I agree it would be good to see him get a shot.

Wow, nice sarcastic crowd response for Gagne. I think it's sarcastic.

2007-08-14 18:48:11
355.   cult of basebaal
350 oh, i did, i was getting to those ... salted?
cajun spiced???

do tell ...

2007-08-14 18:48:13
356.   weeping for brunnhilde
Saranac, for me.

And something a little greener to chase.

2007-08-14 18:50:02
357.   RIYank
355 Salted. Halves.
356 Mmmmm. (Fact is, bourbon saves me a whole lot of Calories over the long haul. But I do love microbrews, as a general rule.)
2007-08-14 18:51:13
358.   Vandelay Industries
354 Yep. And if they don't want to call them up this season, then grab someone off waivers that has some kind of a track record who isn't thirty seven, and dump Villone and Brower. They are just plain bad, and even below average would be better than bad as an alternative to Edwar and Britton.
2007-08-14 18:51:32
359.   Chyll Will
313 Did I miss something?

306 "Mmmmm, spank-it... ever so gent-ley... spank-it..." >;)

2007-08-14 18:52:19
360.   RIYank
Ahhhhhh. Gagne gags up a double.
2007-08-14 18:52:44
361.   monkeypants
356 357 Saranac is pretty good, considering it's made by Utica Club.
2007-08-14 18:52:45
362.   Mattpat11
I hope Mo is saying "Do NOTHING this man does."
2007-08-14 18:53:41
363.   cult of basebaal
356 heineken? grolsch?? steinlager???
2007-08-14 18:54:05
364.   RIYank
359 Yeah, let's get this pahty stahted!

Oh, Quiz Answer:
Nap Lajoie.
But I'm impressed, Mattpat.

2007-08-14 18:54:35
365.   Vandelay Industries
Gagne is back! UGH!
2007-08-14 18:54:37
366.   Mike T
Farnsworth is in! Now my night is complete.
2007-08-14 18:54:37
367.   Mattpat11
I'm trying this Sam Adams Summer Ale. I like Regular Sam and the Cherry Wheat, so i thought I'd enjoy this.

I do not.

2007-08-14 18:55:13
368.   weeping for brunnhilde
362 Blah ha ha ha hah aha !!!!!!!!!!!
2007-08-14 18:55:38
369.   3rd gen yankee fan
I never saw the point in drinking something that was going to make me cringe. If I'm going to drink Scotch, it's going to be the Macallan all the way for me, baby. Save your pennies and buy a bottle, the ten-year is acceptable but the 18 is smooth smooth smooth.
2007-08-14 18:56:05
370.   Mattpat11
364 Kay mentioned it at some point and it stuck with me for some reason.

Speaking of Kay, he's blowing Worthless again.

2007-08-14 18:56:14
371.   monkeypants
366 Don't get too excited. Torre may stil use Viz tonight, instead of making Farnsworth take one for the team and finish the game.
2007-08-14 18:56:18
372.   RIYank
Gagne Ks the side around the double.

This is odd. Joe Castiglione keeps saying that Gagne has the old heater back. And I look at Gameday and it says the release speed of the "fastballs" is 80, 88, 88. Is Castiglione partly blind, or is Gameday waaaay off?

2007-08-14 18:56:35
373.   Vandelay Industries

I agree. They have some issues with the Summer Ale. And I too am a Saranac fan, although I cannot get it out here on the west coast.

2007-08-14 18:57:06
374.   Vandelay Industries

Gameday is way off.

2007-08-14 18:57:16
375.   weeping for brunnhilde
367 It never rains but it pours, huh?
2007-08-14 18:57:18
376.   3rd gen yankee fan
Kyle is such a dick. He only pitches well when there's no pressure.
2007-08-14 18:57:39
377.   pistolpete
365 Oh yeah, Gagne's great in a game they're already losing... ;)
2007-08-14 18:57:43
378.   OldYanksFan
Manny leading off...
2007-08-14 18:58:43
379.   OldYanksFan
Farns has absolutely proven he can be effective and trusted in 12-0 games.
2007-08-14 18:58:58
380.   cult of basebaal
if fucking farnsworth doesn't suck up 2 for the team here, i'm gonna ... i'm gonna ... i'm gonna let mattpatt get mad for me ...

mmm ... bridlewoods estates reserve syrah

2007-08-14 18:59:09
381.   RIYank
My absolute favorite beer now is Cadillac Mountain Stout. It just beats the pants off Guiness.
2007-08-14 19:00:05
382.   RIYank
Manny! Way to go! Backward K for the Man Ram!
2007-08-14 19:00:09
383.   OldYanksFan
Manny Ks looking. 1 out.
2007-08-14 19:00:11
384.   Vandelay Industries
376 Yes. If only the Yankees had paid attention to that the past eight years! I blame the scouts for that signing. This is the same guy he has always been. Fold under pressure while having flashes of brilliance along the way.
2007-08-14 19:00:20
385.   cult of basebaal
man-ram down on strikes
2007-08-14 19:00:31
386.   3rd gen yankee fan
mmmm.... beer... thanks for the stout reco.

So bottom line, 90% of Banter is drinking tonight?

2007-08-14 19:00:36
387.   Mattpat11
373 It was worth a try. Back to the cherry wheat for me.
2007-08-14 19:00:52
388.   Vandelay Industries
385 Please, please, no Jim Rome quotes.
2007-08-14 19:00:54
389.   OldYanksFan
Lowell up. 2-0 count.
2007-08-14 19:01:01
390.   RIYank
Lowell homers, fucker.
2007-08-14 19:01:13
391.   cult of basebaal
hmmm ... what's the "gayer" nickname?




gonna have to have i'll let boston win that one ...

2007-08-14 19:01:18
392.   OldYanksFan
FUCK! HR! Tied game.
2007-08-14 19:01:49
393.   Vandelay Industries
Tie game in Boston! We will fall back to five games out. Go Minnesota. Aint no way we are catching Boston with their pitching.
2007-08-14 19:02:17
394.   OldYanksFan
I will spare you any more details.
2007-08-14 19:02:23
395.   Mattpat11
and yet I got up and got another one. I may have a problem.
2007-08-14 19:02:43
396.   pistolpete
Lowell? Jesus Christ...that washed up so-and-so is having the best years of his career with Boston.

And they want A-Rod why?

2007-08-14 19:03:12
397.   Zack
Pretty much sure everyone saw the Boston HR off the crappy Devil Rays closer coming a mile away. oh well...
2007-08-14 19:03:23
398.   3rd gen yankee fan
Pete's Wicked has a good summer ale. It has a pic of a baseball diamond on the label as an added plus.
2007-08-14 19:03:26
399.   cult of basebaal
386 well, at least the 90% of us who aren't in a corner hyperventilating into a paper bag or kicking their dogs ...
2007-08-14 19:03:36
400.   monkeypants
393 Or Seattle, now that they are "clicking".
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2007-08-14 19:03:58
401.   RIYank
396 SS.
2007-08-14 19:04:09
402.   Mattpat11
396 Lugo.
2007-08-14 19:04:42
403.   Max
392 I called it in 318 , not that I was exactly going out on a limb. No way Tampa wins a 1-0 game unless Kazmir was able to go 8. Expecting their bullpen to shoulder that kind of pressure was totally out of the question.
2007-08-14 19:04:45
404.   Zack
The three Rays relievers who came in after Kazmir sport eras of 5.34, 7.94, and 4.25. I kid you not
2007-08-14 19:05:27
405.   Vandelay Industries
404 You sure that isn't the Yankee releivers that came in after Karstens?
2007-08-14 19:05:40
406.   cult of basebaal
jesus ... way to waste another pitcher joe ... mattpatt, get MAD for me!!!
2007-08-14 19:06:06
407.   Zack
On the plus, today probably means the promotions of at least Edwar if not Britton too, no?
2007-08-14 19:06:15
408.   pistolpete
Sigh. Well, the worst we can be in the WC is a paltry 1 game out at the end of the night.

I'll take it.

Don't forget, 6 games left with Bahstan. It's still doable.

2007-08-14 19:06:25
409.   RIYank
The real problem is that the tenth (if they get there) will feature Okajima and some guy for the Rays who is not as good as those three pitchers 404 .
2007-08-14 19:07:01
410.   cult of basebaal
407 son, you're about 300 posts and 6 alcohol beverages behind ...
2007-08-14 19:07:19
411.   bartap74
Why is one of the Yankees' top set-up men pitching the 9th inning of a 12-0 game?
2007-08-14 19:07:34
412.   monkeypants
IS that Vizcaino I see. Ah, Mordechai returns.
2007-08-14 19:07:57
413.   RIYank
Ground rule double for Tek.
I guess everyone's following it.
2007-08-14 19:08:02
414.   cult of basebaal
proving a point, that's alcohol*ic* beverages
2007-08-14 19:08:38
415.   RIYank
411 All together now:
2007-08-14 19:08:55
416.   Chyll Will
Why am I here? Everyone's lubricated their brains on some hard stuff tonight (not that I blame yah's), so I'm basically redundant. Oh well, back to SpongeBob... >;)
2007-08-14 19:09:15
417.   Zack
410 Well, at least the 300 posts part, but the other...well...

I had a strong feeling today's game would go as it did, so I steered clear. Plus I had some dog issues to deal with, so be it.

And Torre just can't resist pitching Viz for some inexplicable reason thereby tiring him for tomorrow

2007-08-14 19:10:08
418.   pistolpete
Oh they're probably worked up into a good lather up in Boston considering they might pick up a game on us tonight...
2007-08-14 19:10:24
419.   3rd gen yankee fan
BS Singleton, why can't farns pitch the 9th!
2007-08-14 19:10:46
420.   RIYank
Wouldn't it really suck if Roger were pitching and he'd given up just one run over eight innings? That would suck.

So does this, but in a different way.

2007-08-14 19:11:27
421.   RIYank
Sox win.


2007-08-14 19:11:51
422.   yanster
What better way for Viz to demonstrate his BFOG than wasting his arm in a 12-0?

Farnswacker should have insisted on pitching the 9th. It's the only thing a man of character would have done. After 9 pitches...

2007-08-14 19:12:17
423.   Zack
Wow, letting Coco Crisp beat you, if that isn't a sign that you suck, not sure what is...
2007-08-14 19:12:20
424.   Mattpat11
Fucking Tampa bay
2007-08-14 19:12:37
425.   cult of basebaal
yup, gotta love those devil fishies
2007-08-14 19:13:02
426.   Vandelay Industries
Sox win another CLOSE game. I look at it this way: If the Yankees' starters can average 6+ innings per start the rest of the way, we make the playoffs. If they don't, we don't.
2007-08-14 19:14:10
427.   RIYank
I'm gonna check out now.
Unless someone wants to fight with me. If this were a real bar one of us would have broken a bottle by now.
2007-08-14 19:14:15
428.   pistolpete
Anyone watching the Sox game on TV? Were they celebrating like they just won it all (again)?
2007-08-14 19:14:25
429.   williamnyy23
Head turns back toward the WC...the perils of giving away games in August.
2007-08-14 19:14:37
430.   Zack
426 Sox have also lost a heck of a lot of close be it. This game doesn't really demonstrate anything. You had to expect the Yanks to drop a game or two in the standings during this stretch, and today was one of the most likely candidates. The Rays have been the Sox's doormat for awhile...
2007-08-14 19:14:57
431.   Mattpat11
2007-08-14 19:15:21
432.   Kered Retej
I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but is there any possible justification for pitching Vizcaino in a 12-0 game? I'd rather see Johnny Damon out there lobbing some batting practice rather than Viz. Or couldn't we just forfeit the game?

And is it really that unreasonable to ask your crappiest "last man out of the bullpen" to thrown more than 9 pitches in a blowout? Is his arm really that fragile?

2007-08-14 19:15:51
433.   cult of basebaal
431 he get the record for ejections?
2007-08-14 19:16:06
434.   RIYank
428 Radio, but they're definitely celebrating, pumped up.
2007-08-14 19:16:28
435.   Vandelay Industries
Oh CHRIST! Now we have to wait for the freakin' Marlins game to watch Seattle?
2007-08-14 19:16:37
436.   Mattpat11
433 Yep. balls and strikes on Chipper.
2007-08-14 19:16:39
437.   Max
428 They'll look to this game as the one that turned around their season when the Evil Empire was breathing down their necks...Gagne gets his groove back, keeps his team in the game by striking out the side, while the home team heroically comes back in the ninth against the worst team in baseball.
2007-08-14 19:17:03
438.   RIYank


Jesus, read the fucking Rules.

2007-08-14 19:18:08
439.   Mattpat11
Its sort of funny. I'm getting used to Shelley's face. I no longer recoil in horror when i see it.
2007-08-14 19:18:58
440.   cult of basebaal
man, some of you guys crack me up ... at this rate, i'm upgrading my medication recommendation from mere booze to heavy pharmacuticals
2007-08-14 19:19:36
441.   3rd gen yankee fan
Here we go!


2007-08-14 19:20:14
442.   Chyll Will
439 Not exactly My Fair Lady, but hey, whatever floats your root beer... zzzzz
2007-08-14 19:21:31
443.   Vandelay Industries
Man, it looks like it might be about time to put a fork in Cleveland.
2007-08-14 19:21:31
444.   RIYank
440 Sweet!
Can you really write prescriptions?
Nah, if you could write prescriptions you'd also be able to spell "pharmaceuticals".

Wait, unless you've been tippling, too. Hmmmm.

2007-08-14 19:21:47
445.   nyy jim
Thank Christ it's over. Hopefully the Twins will help give this night a little something to cheer about.
2007-08-14 19:22:01
446.   cult of basebaal
well, that was a forgettable game ...

anyways, on with life ... off to get sushi for dinner and then sit down with season 2 of rome

which i highly recommend, btw


2007-08-14 19:23:18
447.   RIYank
443 We'll be helping them out, though, with our 8-game sweep of the Tiggers.
2007-08-14 19:23:20
448.   Vandelay Industries
440 I know. It is bigget than just this one game. It's just that our pitching, 1-5 is simply incapable of ever giving the offense a break. They just can't ever take the pressure off them.
2007-08-14 19:23:23
449.   cult of basebaal
444 sweet jesus ... i've been drinking all game ... i saw this trainwreck coming from last week!

though i do know a guy who knows a guy ...

2007-08-14 19:24:11
450.   cult of basebaal
they'll go running for the shelter, of the banter's little helpers ...
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2007-08-14 19:25:19
451.   Mattpat11
I like to think The Scooter is here in spirit getting hammered off this shitty beer with me.
2007-08-14 19:25:58
452.   Vandelay Industries
Minnesota got through one inning without giving up a run to Seattle. That's something at least.
2007-08-14 19:26:25
453.   RIYank
Wait, is that what Weeping meant by "something greener" to chase?

Well, the bourbon worked wonders for me, anyway. See youse tomorrow, for a Phil-harmonic symphony.

2007-08-14 19:27:26
454.   cult of basebaal
451 jesus, you do need some heavy pharmies ... you gotta let go man, let go and let the scooter go to the happy place with the clouds and the light, okay?
2007-08-14 19:30:19
455.   Mattpat11
2007-08-14 19:31:09
456.   Chyll Will
...zzzzz wowzers, you guys are LIT. Go to bed >;) zzzzz...
2007-08-14 19:32:09
457.   cult of basebaal
don't keep him there in the apartment with the bad beer and the Nickelback playing ... the scooter wants to see The Mick and Joe D and Bauer and Billy

well, maybe not Billy, he was kind of a prick ... he's prolly not there waiting for Scooter

2007-08-14 19:33:38
458.   Vandelay Industries
Pigs are flying. The seas are parting. The Knicks are in the Finals.

Minnesota just scored a run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2007-08-14 19:34:17
459.   cult of basebaal
and with that, it really is time for sushi ... g'nite all

sweet dreams of phil franchise pitching tomorrow for all (in a totally chaste man-crush kinda way)

2007-08-14 19:36:29
460.   Vandelay Industries
459 You cant say sushi in one sentence and then deny a non-chaste man crush in the next :)
2007-08-14 19:37:50
461.   Schteeve
This loss doesn't bother me. I saw it coming up Michigan Avenue. Can't win every game.
2007-08-14 19:40:23
462.   JeremyM
458 Knicks in the Finals...priceless! Last time that happened, they had to cancel the World Series.....
2007-08-14 19:47:54
463.   Mattpat11
457 he knows the door is open whenever he wants to leave
2007-08-14 19:49:18
464.   Mattpat11
Karstens is all sorts of fugly. He has this enormous forehead, and then his eyes nose and mouth are right on top of each other.
2007-08-14 19:53:01
465.   ny2ca2dc
Desperately trying to search for some good in this shit... Well, maybe Karstens, Brower, & Villone (and/or Farns somewhere in there, but hey, 1,2,3 inning! HA!) will be sent out for Bruney, Britton, & Henn. Villone just for starting shit with the frigin O's in a blowout - the O's broadcasters were all in a tizzy about Miggy & Markakis getting plunked. What idiocy. We're in a pennant race, and these dirtbag relievers are starting beanball wars. Because that stuff always works out so well for the Yankees...


2007-08-14 20:43:35
466.   monkeypants
Pete abe is reporting that some bullpen is probably on the way. I suspect that Karstens and (probably) Brower are gone. I'll go out on a limb and say Britton and Igawa are called up. I have no evidence at all for that assertion, but they do seem driven to have a "long man" in the pen, and neither Britton nor Edwar will fill that perceived role.
2007-08-14 20:49:45
467.   Vandelay Industries
466 I'm on the same limb with you. Stop jumping on it or Ill fall.
2007-08-14 20:53:02
468.   3rd gen yankee fan
I dunno if anyone's posted this yet, but Cliff has a great article on the Scooter over on SI:

Thanks Cliff.

2007-08-14 20:53:46
469.   monkeypants
467 The thing is, why bother with a long man? In these days of five starters and 12 and 13 man staffs, long relivers are only needed a few times a year. And Torre seems unwilling to use his long relivers more than a couple of innings anyway, unless they are lights out (which they never are). Really, by the third inning tonight they should have shifted into cannon fodder mode, and just thrown Karstens-Villone for about 100 pitches each.

Oh well, I'd like to think that the team's success will not rise and fall on the performance of the long man out of the pen.

2007-08-14 21:02:22
470.   Mattpat11
466 And people think we got rid of Michael Myers.

Everytime you think Kei Igawa is dead, he comes back for no logical reason. That 4.76 ERA and 1.5 WHIP against minor league hitters is just too enticing to pass up.

2007-08-14 21:31:26
471.   JL25and3
469 Because early this season, the bullpen went spinning out of control partly because they had no one who could eat up 2-3 innings in the middle of a game. The starters were getting shellacked, and Joe had to use 4 relievers every game, for one inning each.
2007-08-14 21:32:08
472.   JL25and3
Frankly, I'm regretting the decision to DFA Myers.
2007-08-15 04:51:10
473.   Raf
462 Actually, it was '99 against the Spurs

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