Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
The Baltimore Orioles
2007-08-13 15:31
by Cliff Corcoran

The Orioles are the only team to take a series from the Yankees since the A's won a rubber game in the Bronx on July 1. Now 25-22 under replacement manager Dave Trembley, the O's have gone 5-7 since taking two of three from the Yankees in Baltimore three weekends ago. Included in that 5-7, however, is a six-game split with the Red Sox which the O's just completed by taking two of three from the Sox at Camden Yards. On Friday night the O's rallied four four runs in the eighth against Eric Gagne and Hideki Okajima, then pushed accross the winning run against Okajima in the ninth following a leadoff double by Brian Roberts. Yesterday, the O's rallied for two in the eighth against Okajima and Gagne (in the opposite order) to tie, then won on a three-run Kevin Millar walk-off homer in the bottom of the tenth.

So the O's are feeling good, but so are the Yanks, who should be extra determined to put Baltimore in their place as they visit the Stadium over the next three nights. The only problem is they'll have to start things off against Jeremy Guthrie, who has already beaten New York twice this season (12 1/3 IP, 13 H, 4 R, 1 HR, 4 BB, 10 K -- Johnny Damon hit the homer). The good news is that Guthrie's last start, which came against those inexplicable Mariners, was one of his worst of the season and he's allowed nine runs (eight earned) in 9 1/3 innings since last facing the Bombers, who are bombing a lot more now than they were back in Baltimore as they were suffering from a brief team slump that weekend. Of course the O's could say similar things about Chien-Ming Wang, who is coming off the worst start of his major league career tonight.

Jorge Posada is finally back in the lineup. Wilson Betemit curiously draws the start at first behind the groundballing Wang. Damon starts at DH, perhaps because of that homer. As for the O's, they have Melvin Mora, back, but have lost Jay Gibbons to the DL for the season following labrum surgery and Chris Gomez to the Indians via waivers (in case you didn't notice who started at third base for the Tribe yesterday). Sorry for cutting this one so close, folks. Game on!

Baltimore Orioles

2007 Record: 54-62 (.466)
2007 Pythagorean Record: 57-59 (.495)

Manager: Dave Trembley
General Manager: Mike Flanagan

Home Ballpark (2007 Park Factors): Oriole Park at Camden Yards (99/99)

Who's Replacing Whom?

Melvin Mora (DL) replaces Jay Gibbons (DL)
Tike Redman (minors) replaces Chris Gomez
J.R. House (minors) replaces Luis Hernandez (minors)
Garrett Olson (minors) replaces John Parrish
Jim Hoey (minors) replaces Cory Doyne (minors)

25-man Roster

1B - Kevin Millar (R)
2B - Brian Roberts (S)
SS - Miguel Tejada (R)
3B - Melvin Mora (R)
C - Ramon Hernandez (R)
RF - Nick Markakis (L)
CF - Corey Patterson (L)
LF - Jay Payton (R)
DH - Aubrey Huff (L)


L - Brandon Fahey (UT)
L - Tike Redman (OF)
L - Paul Bako (C)
R - J.R. House (C/1B)


L - Erik Bedard
R - Jeremy Guthrie
R - Daniel Cabrera
L - Brian Burres
R - Steve Trachsel


L - Jamie Walker
R - Danys Baez
R - Chad Bradford
R - Rob Bell
R - Paul Shuey
L - Garrett Olson
R - Jim Hoey

15-day DL: L - Jay Gibbons (OF/1B), L - Freddie Bynum (UT), R - Chris Ray, R - Sendy Rleal
60-day DL: R - Kris Benson, R - Jaret Wright, L - Adam Loewen

Typical Lineup:

S - Brian Roberts (2B)
L - Corey Patterson (CF)
L - Nick Markakis (RF)
R - Miguel Tejada (SS)
R - Kevin Millar (1B)
L - Aubrey Huff (3B)
R - Melvin Mora (3B)
R - Ramon Hernandez (C)
R - Jay Payton (LF)

Comments (430)
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2007-08-13 16:07:40
1.   Vandelay Industries
I'll tell you. This ceremony at the Stadium for Alex is pretty darn cool. I just hope this doesn't follow the same path as Roger's farewell ceremony. Although I do get the impression that Alex's wife could do without all the attention that the Yankees bring. I hope she keeps her trap shut if she feels leaving NY is best for her.
2007-08-13 16:08:41
2.   BklynBmr
1 Yeah, she didn't look too thrilled...
2007-08-13 16:11:13
3.   Bob Timmermann
Oh, it's for Alex Rodriguez. I thought it was for Alex Belth.
2007-08-13 16:13:00
4.   Vandelay Industries
2 Between Boras and the wife, I sure hope Sweet Lou, Joe, or someone who has his ear is able to keep him in the Bronx by giving him good advice.
2007-08-13 16:13:22
5.   seamus
3 Alex Beith bobblehead day?
2007-08-13 16:13:28
6.   Vandelay Industries

For his 3000'th post?

2007-08-13 16:14:32
7.   Vandelay Industries
Scooter gets the cow! Alex gets the Easel!
2007-08-13 16:15:40
8.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
What means "Delayed (ceremony)"?
2007-08-13 16:16:30
9.   Ravenscar
Would it be so hard to have a live brass band play the national anthem once in awhile? That recording is getting old.
2007-08-13 16:17:48
10.   Vandelay Industries
9 George knows how to win titles, he doesn't have taste in music. There can be no doubt about that.
2007-08-13 16:18:57
11.   BklynBmr
4 You said it. And if the Yanks pull it off, I'm not sure whether Alex getting a ring would be a good thing or a bad thing for the decision.
2007-08-13 16:19:34
12.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey Team. I have a dinner date, but hopefully I'll be back for the late innings.
2007-08-13 16:21:25
13.   Ravenscar
Whoa - I leave the room for 30 seconds and there's trouble already.
2007-08-13 16:21:29
14.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Sheet. Get Joba up.
2007-08-13 16:22:14
15.   BklynBmr
12 We're playing the Birds. See ya in the bottom of the 5th!
2007-08-13 16:23:15
16.   Eirias
2007-08-13 16:23:21
17.   ny2ca2dc
this is not cool at all...
2007-08-13 16:23:29
18.   weeping for brunnhilde

We're in a tight spot, eh?

At least it's only the first.

Come on, Chien, regroup.

You can do this.

2007-08-13 16:24:01
19.   weeping for brunnhilde
15 ha ha haah ah ah!



2007-08-13 16:24:18
20.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Christ.

What a slopfest.

2007-08-13 16:24:21
21.   Ravenscar
Holy cow. This is odd.
2007-08-13 16:24:23
22.   ny2ca2dc
something is really wrong...
2007-08-13 16:25:10
23.   Vandelay Industries
15 I am glad I have to run to dinner. Looks like Wang is off to another shitty start. Given the way he has pitched the past month, something is going on with him. The numbers are only beginning to show it.

UGH! We may need Kennedy after all. Get you control together Wang! This is no time to go into the tank.

2007-08-13 16:25:35
24.   weeping for brunnhilde
Tejada's a great hitter.

That was a very pretty stroke right there.

2007-08-13 16:25:50
25.   Yankees Brasil
He must be hurt, only explanation
2007-08-13 16:26:03
26.   ny2ca2dc
24 at a ball over the plate...
2007-08-13 16:26:07
27.   yankz
God, I hate the Orioles.
2007-08-13 16:26:31
28.   3rd gen yankee fan
Uh, whoa, man I hate to open the box score and see ugliness. Something is definitely wrong!
2007-08-13 16:26:32
29.   BklynBmr
Who is #40 and what has he done with our ace?
2007-08-13 16:26:59
30.   ny2ca2dc
these balls are going all over the place... wtf!
2007-08-13 16:27:16
31.   weeping for brunnhilde
26 Yeah, but it was a little down. Had he tried to elevate, he may well have popped it up.

He just hit it nice and easy, where it was pitched.

2007-08-13 16:29:07
32.   ny2ca2dc
O's announcers mention that's only the second double play Wang has gotten in the last 8-some starts... WTF
2007-08-13 16:29:09
33.   yankz
OK, 2 runs is nothing.
2007-08-13 16:29:25
34.   Vandelay Industries
31 "He just hit it nice and easy, where it was pitched."

Yep. Right over the plate, where every strike Wang has thrown in the past month has been.

2007-08-13 16:29:41
35.   yankz
Oh my god, I thought there was already one out.
2007-08-13 16:30:17
36.   ny2ca2dc
well, the pitches to that batter were pretty decent.... at least not a bunch of uncorked slop. that fingernail, or something else, must be acting up.
2007-08-13 16:30:51
37.   BklynBmr
Here's hoping third time is a charm vs Guthrie. Let's go, bats!
2007-08-13 16:31:13
38.   Vandelay Industries
Ask not what Kennedy can do for Scranton, ask what Kennedy can do for the Yankees.
2007-08-13 16:31:38
39.   OldYanksFan
9 There is no dirt as old as Kate Smith's GBA. It is making me un-patriotic!
2007-08-13 16:32:48
40.   yankz
See? It's nothing.
2007-08-13 16:32:51
41.   nyy jim
That's how to get it started Johnny. Let's get those runs back now.
2007-08-13 16:33:05
42.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
WEll, that could have been much much worse, especially as, acc to Gamedday both Huff's and Millar's grounders were off pitches straight down the middle belt high.
2007-08-13 16:34:41
43.   OldYanksFan
I don't want to get all doomsday on you, but we really need Wang to be right to get to the PS. This is not good.

A few runs here would help soften the blow.

2007-08-13 16:35:18
44.   BklynBmr
Get a hold of one, Bobby!
2007-08-13 16:35:50
45.   OldYanksFan
Man on 3rd, less then 2 out. This is where the little things count big.
2007-08-13 16:36:05
46.   BklynBmr
It's contagious! Oh, no. 5 hour game tonight...
2007-08-13 16:36:15
47.   ny2ca2dc
this could be a long night.

43 talk about a truism...

2007-08-13 16:36:15
48.   OldYanksFan
2007-08-13 16:36:37
49.   Gagne55
I'm calling an A-Rod homer right now.
2007-08-13 16:37:00
50.   yankz
Drop a 12-spot here, and nobody remembers Wang's rocky inning.
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2007-08-13 16:37:35
51.   Ravenscar
39 - definitely. It's very odd how no one in power really cares about music. Ah well.
2007-08-13 16:37:59
52.   OldYanksFan
Ouch. How many A-Bombs are we gonna need tonight?
2007-08-13 16:38:24
53.   ny2ca2dc
wowzerz. that's a homer & a nearly-a-homer... long night indeed.
2007-08-13 16:38:27
54.   Ravenscar
Your wild pitches and HR's are taking RBI away from my fantasy god, A-Rod!
2007-08-13 16:38:29
55.   yankz
See? Nothing.
2007-08-13 16:38:50
56.   OldYanksFan
I should say that by 'a few', I meant 3.
2007-08-13 16:38:56
57.   3rd gen yankee fan
Well I think I'm okay with this. Wang has some time to figure his problems out tonight.
2007-08-13 16:38:56
58.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Didn't we get the runs back right away for Wang his last start?

And then he . . .

2007-08-13 16:39:30
59.   yankz
See, Damon's run was some pure, wonderful baseball. A double, a productive out, and some gritty hustle- that's what I like to see. A thing of beauty.

Don't get me wrong, the HR is nice and all, but we just can't count on the long ball all the time.

2007-08-13 16:40:12
60.   Ravenscar
Great play by Tejada.
2007-08-13 16:40:31
61.   yankz
He dares do that move in Jeter's house?!
2007-08-13 16:40:41
62.   ny2ca2dc
59 but you CAN count on wild pitches???
2007-08-13 16:41:11
63.   Gagne55
49 ... at some point in the game.
2007-08-13 16:42:01
64.   BklynBmr
61 He gets a pass for the 2 run dinger off Gagne yesterday. But that's it. No more.
2007-08-13 16:42:45
65.   OldYanksFan
51 Actually, the rendition of GBA at the A.S. game was really nice. With all the talent in NY, and almost 6 years of doing this, a dead Kate Smith and live Ronan Tynan is the best we can do?
2007-08-13 16:44:25
66.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Bullpen please.
2007-08-13 16:44:45
67.   ny2ca2dc
here we go again with the uncorked pitches...
2007-08-13 16:44:52
68.   OldYanksFan
If you're Torre, and Wang doesn't have it, do you let this game get away. It's Joba day. How many innings can we get from him?
2007-08-13 16:45:42
69.   kylepetterson
Who broke our Wang?
2007-08-13 16:48:45
70.   cult of basebaal
68 well, supposedly Joba's on a 35 pitch limit ... so 3 innings max ... me? i'd throw karstens in the fire and find another starter for tomorrow (like kennedy)

how did betemit do on that grounder? should he have turned 2?

2007-08-13 16:48:46
71.   ny2ca2dc
O's guys with a reasonable point (wow, good points from these jokers, wow) - that wang is still working out the mechanical problems they spotted last outing...

maybe Wanger grew a bad habbit a dozen or so starts ago, maybe as a result of the fingernail thing, and it's only gotten worse till it became egregious last start.... who knows... just searchin for straws...


2007-08-13 16:49:14
72.   3rd gen yankee fan
Melky da man.
2007-08-13 16:50:14
73.   cult of basebaal
71 ,72 it couldn't have been much of a catch if a 4th outfielder made it ...
2007-08-13 16:51:01
74.   ny2ca2dc
73 Steve Phillips, did you hack basebaal's Toaster password?
2007-08-13 16:53:25
75.   Bob Timmermann
Josh Phelps is starting at catcher for the Pirates tonight in the second game of their doubleheader.
2007-08-13 16:56:10
76.   rbj
75 Just listening to the Mudhens (vs. the Norfolk Tides) game while mowing the lawn; the hens turned a 1-3-6 caught stealing; their announcer said that Phelps (last year) wouldn't have made that throw -- not his strong suit. His reputation is everywhere.
2007-08-13 16:56:47
77.   bartap74
They played Pearl Jam's "Betterman" when Betemit came up to the play. Bet-a-mit, beta-a-man...get it?
2007-08-13 16:57:03
78.   cult of basebaal
c'mon betemit ... help joey joe joe learn that playing you at 1st is the best option
2007-08-13 16:57:21
79.   nyy jim
Scott who?
2007-08-13 16:57:33
80.   ny2ca2dc
2007-08-13 16:57:36
81.   rbj
2007-08-13 16:57:45
82.   cult of basebaal
2007-08-13 16:57:53
83.   nyy jim
We certainly got the better of that trade
2007-08-13 16:58:07
84.   ny2ca2dc
A homer from a first baseman! who'd'a thunk?!?!?
2007-08-13 16:58:07
85.   3rd gen yankee fan
2007-08-13 16:58:13
86.   BklynBmr
81 Nice...
2007-08-13 16:58:20
87.   seamus
woo hoo Betemit!
2007-08-13 16:59:25
88.   seamus
83 Proctor has been good for the dodgers so far.
2007-08-13 17:00:05
89.   cult of basebaal
78 they really ought to start playing the intro to Phish's "Wilson"

especially since it evolved in concert to an awesome call and response

the band would play the opening notes, the crowd would response by screaming, "Willlllllssssssssooooooooonnnnnnnnn!!!!"

get that going with 50k yankee fans in a big game and WOW!

2007-08-13 17:00:08
90.   Bob Timmermann
But I may get a chance to watch Scott Proctor pitch tonight at Dodger Stadium!

So there!!!!

Woo hoo! Scott Proctor!!!

2007-08-13 17:01:08
91.   Bob Timmermann
Home run Josh Phelps!
2007-08-13 17:07:46
92.   ny2ca2dc
I'm gonna stick with my delusion/hope/rationalization in 71 , Wanger going pretty good now...
2007-08-13 17:16:01
93.   ny2ca2dc
Buck Martinez on the O's broadcast just called Jason Giambi talking to Shelly Duncan "Rocket Clemens talking to one of the young pitchers on that pitching staff"... Christ.
2007-08-13 17:17:37
94.   thelarmis
89 how bout "Mr. Wilson" by King's X?! sure it's kinda obscure, but WSOU used to play it! : )
2007-08-13 17:17:51
95.   nemecizer
71 92 Actually, I think that makes quite a bit of sense.

We'll see in a minute. Dammit, A-Rod...

2007-08-13 17:20:12
96.   OldYanksFan
For any folks here who love our Vice President as much as I do...
2007-08-13 17:20:42
97.   cult of basebaal
94 back in the ATL?
2007-08-13 17:21:36
98.   ny2ca2dc
Man. shoulda gone to second.... Wang must be psyched out...
2007-08-13 17:24:39
99.   thelarmis
97 just got back and out of a rehearsal, must go eat soon. i might do JnJ tomorrow and watch the game, we'll see. will email you...
2007-08-13 17:26:34
100.   cult of basebaal
devil fishies being no-hit by wakefield through 5 ...
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2007-08-13 17:26:36
101.   OldYanksFan
Boston No-hitting TB. 1-0 after 5. Detroit down 4-2 after 4. Wang settling down.
2007-08-13 17:29:14
102.   ny2ca2dc
man, 4 innings, 4 yankee lead off men on base... we need to win this for the Wanger
2007-08-13 17:30:07
103.   rbj
Wow, never would think that the Devil Rays would be no-hit, they do at least have some good hitters, guys you'd think wouldn't be no hit.
2007-08-13 17:30:18
104.   OldYanksFan
99 Buddy! Had the dis-pleasure of seeing what should have been a great concert, but sucked. The Allman Brothers. They did a 10 minute percussion solo during 'Elizabeth Reed' (3 percussionists). Unbelievable dull, boring, uncreative. What a drag.
2007-08-13 17:39:06
105.   cult of basebaal
there's that 9spot pop for the melkman!!!

70+ pitches for guthrie in the 4th ... bring on the weak underbelly of the bullpen

mmmm ... weak underbelly

2007-08-13 17:39:10
106.   thelarmis
no hits, huh?! well, hopefully the d-rays will keep it close. it'd be a thing of beauty for gagne to give up the winning runs in the 8th : )

104 hey OYF!!! man, i hear ya on that. it's tricky for me, b/c i know about half of the band personally. i can completely see that it could be insipid though. mark quinones, however, is a brilliant percussionist! and it's always an honor to be in the musical presence of Oteil & Derek Trucks. as for the drum solo part, i totally hear ya though. ABB is playing out in Atlanta's 'Central Park' (called Peidmont) w/ dave matthews band in about 3-4 weeks.

cult - Piedmont Park is right up the street from where we watched the Yanks game last week...

LECHE!!! that's 18 games. cool.

2007-08-13 17:39:12
107.   OldYanksFan
Hello? Hello?
2007-08-13 17:42:36
108.   cult of basebaal
if anyone missed it in the last thread, melky's got interesting numbers based on whether he's in the leadoff or 9th spot

looking at the numbers, it melky has been noticeably more patient when batting leadoff rather than 9th (.283 BA, but .368 obp leadoff vs .336 BA and only .358 obp batting 9th) but has much more power (.549 9th vs .424 leadoff) when he's not concentrating on getting on base

i can't find anywhere that i can break down P/PA by lineup spot, but i'd say that double fits the pattern we've seen from melky this year, attacking from the 9 spot ...

2007-08-13 17:45:23
109.   3rd gen yankee fan
101 Yeah I noticed that WAKEFIELD has a NO-HITTER through 6.
2007-08-13 17:45:32
110.   thelarmis
12 pitch AB for fat papi - flied out. nice.
2007-08-13 17:46:01
111.   cult of basebaal
2007-08-13 17:46:20
112.   OldYanksFan
106 No Dickie Betts. No piano player (no less Chuck Leavell). Trucks on guitar was fast and nasty, but without Dickie it sounded like someone else playing ABB tunes.
NOTHING from Brothers and Sisters. Hardly any of their vocal numbers (like one long instrumental)

I named my daughter Jessica in 1973, although she was born in 1988. Took her to the show. They played a long time, but the sound mix was terrible. Terrible! The song choice was really bad. The did NOT play:
Whipping Post, Trouble No More, Melissa, Blue Sky, Ramblin Man, Jessica, Southbound, Leave My Blues at Home, Statesboro Blues, or Midnight Rider. WTF!

2007-08-13 17:46:21
113.   3rd gen yankee fan
Ah poop.
2007-08-13 17:46:48
114.   thelarmis
thaz not good. ooh, i wish damon singled in those 2 extra runs last inning. least we still have the lead...
2007-08-13 17:48:14
115.   thelarmis
a homer and a 4-pitch walk? bollocks.
2007-08-13 17:48:27
116.   OldYanksFan
TB no hits after 6, Detroit down 6-2 after 5.
2007-08-13 17:48:34
117.   rbj
112 When they can resurrect Duane, I'll go see 'em. Nothing against the current lineup, just my purist nature.
2007-08-13 17:49:04
118.   cult of basebaal
argh! WTF wang??? throw strikes!!!
2007-08-13 17:50:02
119.   cult of basebaal
2007-08-13 17:50:19
120.   cult of basebaal
for crawford vs wakefield, that is
2007-08-13 17:52:14
121.   SF Yanks
119 And he steals 2nd too. No one out, man on 2nd, down 0-1.
2007-08-13 17:52:27
122.   3rd gen yankee fan
2007-08-13 17:54:29
123.   rbj
Aw shucks, I hope we didn't jinx Wakefield's no-hitter. Wouldn't want that to happen to his shutout either.
2007-08-13 17:54:53
124.   thelarmis
112 ooh, i've got some good dickie betts stories for you! he's a sunuva gun, but he sure was nice to me the 1 time i met him and played a little bit. he was still somewhat nice when he found out i was close w/ the Trucks family! : )

derek is like duane incarnate, so i can't agree there. chuck was very cool. for years, i played in a band w/ Butch's son and he graces the album cover of Brothers & Sisters. not many vocal tunes, huh? i wonder if gregg is not healthy...???

ha, if you come to my gig Saturday night, i'll be playing Whipping Post and Southbound, i'm sure! ; )

2007-08-13 17:55:43
125.   cult of basebaal
crawford really ought to have stolen 3rd ... now they need a hit to get him in
2007-08-13 17:56:03
126.   thelarmis
117 derek is duane. and coltrane. and jaco. and sun ra. and bukka white. and a genius!
2007-08-13 17:57:47
127.   cult of basebaal
and they fail to score ... and that's why they're the devil fishies
2007-08-13 18:00:57
128.   thelarmis
127 hopefully gagne/okajima can continue to give up runs. boston has won too many close, low-scoring games - time to even it out!

let's go jorge, give us some insurance...

2007-08-13 18:02:44
129.   ny2ca2dc
Hip Hip! One more inning from Wang, then Joba time, then Mo. phew.
2007-08-13 18:04:52
130.   cult of basebaal
well, hopefully, we score a few more and we can give mo the night off ... maybe joba can close it out himself
2007-08-13 18:07:23
131.   cult of basebaal
hmmm ... if cano reaches, does joe go for the kill and pinch hit for betemit with shelley?
2007-08-13 18:08:02
132.   thelarmis
hey cult - i've got to go now. if joba pitches, we win or TB comes back, can you possibly text me if you're around? i appreciate ya!

king felix vs. supernatural tonite. hopefully we can scoot ahead of the M's and Tigers tonite.

here's to The Hut closing it out and d-rays coming back and winning!!!

2007-08-13 18:08:46
133.   cult of basebaal
damn ... got ahead of myself there
2007-08-13 18:09:18
134.   cult of basebaal
132 sure thing eric
2007-08-13 18:10:47
135.   cult of basebaal
shit ... 2-0 boston ... two 2 out walks and a single ... and again, that's why they're the devil fishies
2007-08-13 18:15:50
136.   monkeypants
Kay just commented that Huff was always a great "pure hitter." What exactly does that mean? With a .282 BA, we're not talking about Tony Gwynn here.
2007-08-13 18:20:56
137.   cult of basebaal
i see CMW's gone back to his non strikeout ways
2007-08-13 18:22:12
138.   cult of basebaal
anyone see if Joba's up in the pen?
2007-08-13 18:22:23
139.   monkeypants
That was one fugly AB.
2007-08-13 18:23:34
140.   ny2ca2dc
wow. this is a hell of a move.... i think i like it. giambi to pinch hit for duncan later. wow.
2007-08-13 18:23:37
141.   rufuswashere
Betemit and Melky: not so good from the right side.
2007-08-13 18:23:38
142.   monkeypants
138 When they cut to commercial before, the RP was number 30-something, but I didn't see who. Not Joba, though.
2007-08-13 18:24:52
143.   ny2ca2dc
142 138 Brower was warming during the 6th
2007-08-13 18:25:49
144.   monkeypants
142 If I was correct, I wonder why not Joba here, unless Mo is not available. Then maybe a mystery reliver for the 7th and Joba for the 8th and 9th?
2007-08-13 18:26:32
145.   cult of basebaal
141 this is true ... if phillips was coming in as the LIDR, he should have taken the at bat in the last inning
2007-08-13 18:27:44
146.   cult of basebaal
well ... since CMW's back out there ... and Joba won't come into a game unless he starts an inning ... guess JT's trying to get 1 more from wang then go to Joba for the 8th and 9th
2007-08-13 18:28:31
147.   cult of basebaal
so i guess brower is our first line of defense ... soooooooo glad he's here instead of edwar or britton
2007-08-13 18:28:46
148.   monkeypants
145 Unfortunately, Andy Phillip's splits against LHP is pretty bad. But I see now that he is the defensive replacement. Hmmm...awkward personnel use there.
2007-08-13 18:32:52
149.   ny2ca2dc
Villone has been taking notes on Pettitte's pickoff move...
2007-08-13 18:33:05
150.   cult of basebaal
148 argh, i forgot about andy's reverse splits ... that makes things a little trickier ... since betemit is worse against LHP too ... i guess i would have used duncan for betemit, since damon's alright vs lefties
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2007-08-13 18:35:50
151.   cult of basebaal
meanwhile, tampa is imploding, down 3-0 now
2007-08-13 18:40:47
152.   monkeypants
Cripes, for only three batters this inning has been painfully slow.
2007-08-13 18:41:20
153.   ny2ca2dc
you've got to be kidding me
2007-08-13 18:42:15
154.   monkeypants
Just handed them a friggin' run there.
2007-08-13 18:42:25
155.   ny2ca2dc
Joba vs Viz to start the next inning, who do you go with. I go Joba time.
2007-08-13 18:43:04
156.   OldYanksFan
Crap... No Gagme to kick around tonight.
2007-08-13 18:43:35
157.   cult of basebaal
well, that was a novel way to give up a run ... it'd better be joba time in the 8th ...
2007-08-13 18:43:58
158.   monkeypants
Now could come the real BFOG test. Does Joba come in to a one run game, in the eighth? Or do we see EDLV? Or (shudder) Farnsworth?
2007-08-13 18:44:07
159.   OldYanksFan
Detroit pitching is shitting the bed in a big way.
2007-08-13 18:45:29
160.   monkeypants
156 Yeah--three run lead in the ninth...that's a save situation, so you use your best reliever. Not like a tie game in the ninth...

Oh well, maybe Gagné will help us out tomorrow.

2007-08-13 18:46:30
161.   fansince77
Hate to say but that run was on Jorge's laziness...I've noticed he has been a little slow getting to balls in the dirt this year...not many get by but he doesn't always take the baserunners seriously.
2007-08-13 18:47:35
162.   cult of basebaal
anyone see who's warming?
2007-08-13 18:47:45
163.   monkeypants
161 I think the wonder duo of Jorge and Villone have to share credit.
2007-08-13 18:48:10
164.   monkeypants
162 #62.
2007-08-13 18:48:20
165.   ny2ca2dc
Joba warming
2007-08-13 18:48:39
166.   ny2ca2dc
Joba warming all alone I might add
2007-08-13 18:48:49
167.   cult of basebaal
2007-08-13 18:52:11
168.   Mike T
This supposed Oriole "weak underbelly" bullpen is mowing our guys down pretty easily.
2007-08-13 18:53:07
169.   monkeypants
OK, what d'y'all think. Is this Joba for two, or Joba-Mo to close the game? I still wonder if Mo is 100% available tonight, after getting cuffed around for four outs last night.
2007-08-13 18:54:06
170.   Eirias
How can Kay mispronounce Joba's name differently every time Joba pitches?
2007-08-13 18:54:35
171.   cult of basebaal
169 i think it's joba-mo ... mo threw a few last night, but not too many ... and he hadn't really worked much in the days before ... if he feels ok, i assume he'll be in there
2007-08-13 18:55:16
172.   monkeypants
170 : )
2007-08-13 18:56:45
173.   tommyl
Woah, that was nasty.
2007-08-13 18:57:39
174.   bartap74
170 To be fair, Joba's name is a mispronounciation in itself.
2007-08-13 18:57:39
175.   rsmith51
I heart Joba
2007-08-13 18:58:04
176.   ny2ca2dc
171 Uh, that was a pretty tough 4 out save man. I say 2 innings for Joba - probably a better work load for him anyway.
2007-08-13 18:58:21
177.   monkeypants
171 I would prefer Joba for two innnings...not because I don't trust Mo, but because I would rather see him stay on a two inning every three days rotation (which I suspect is more like starting, but I have no evidence for that).
2007-08-13 18:59:13
178.   rsmith51
177 I like your thinking, but it is much too logical for JT.
2007-08-13 19:00:03
179.   tommyl
Its kinda nice to have two Mo's in the pen, isn't it?
2007-08-13 19:00:05
180.   ny2ca2dc
You can 'heart' Joba all you like, i FEAR him
2007-08-13 19:00:20
181.   bartap74
175 +1
2007-08-13 19:00:33
182.   rsmith51
Didn't seem like he was within a foot of that strikeout pitch.
2007-08-13 19:00:54
183.   monkeypants
Christ..this guy is a beast. Maybe the league will figure out the two-strike slider (or whatever that is), but so far he is just blowing people away.
2007-08-13 19:01:04
184.   tommyl
I love that fist pump, the kid looked like Clemens. I am drooling over next year's rotation.
2007-08-13 19:01:44
185.   glennrwordman
Jeebus, who might want to face this team right now?
2007-08-13 19:01:58
186.   rsmith51
183 I was thinking he should throw a fastball with 2 strikes, but until they stop swinging at his slider...
2007-08-13 19:02:08
187.   tommyl
183 I don't think they will. You can't really sit on that slider when he can throw 100.
2007-08-13 19:02:09
188.   OldYanksFan
161 Agreed. Earlier, one went right between his legs, with a man on 3rd. Gotta squeeze those knees and block the ball in the dirt. With man on 3rd, you can't let stoppable balls get by.
2007-08-13 19:02:10
189.   nemecizer
Holy Shit, this Joba guy is amazing. I am so sad we didn't trade for Gagne.


2007-08-13 19:02:22
190.   Mike T
Does Chamberlain now have 6 strikeouts in nine batters faced?
2007-08-13 19:03:36
191.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
183 CAN anyone figure out a 89-90 mph breaking pitch? That's just nasty.

How's the Stadium reacting to Joba? Tomahawk chant?

2007-08-13 19:03:39
192.   ny2ca2dc
Mo Warming
2007-08-13 19:04:01
193.   cult of basebaal
176 not saying it wasn't, but mo hasn't been pitching all that much, and if he comes in here, it certainly isn't inconsistent with the way JT has handled him in the past ... it's hard to say what's right (if, of course, mo feels ok tonite) ... if you use mo here, both mo and joba are out tomorrow, but joba can pitch in the hughes game ... if you use joba for the 2nd inning, he won't pitch until the next series
2007-08-13 19:04:21
194.   Eirias
174 Huttese is a difficult language to speak.
2007-08-13 19:04:39
195.   OldYanksFan
177 Agree. Let Mo sit this one out. Let Joba get his legs.
2007-08-13 19:04:44
196.   nemecizer
190 That sounds about right. He does have 8 strike outs for 4 innings, unless I am mistaken.
2007-08-13 19:04:47
197.   ny2ca2dc
191 "Joba, Joba" chants is what is sounded like
2007-08-13 19:05:25
198.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Jorge owes us a friggin run here dammit. Jose Pipp waiting in the wings if he can't hack it.
2007-08-13 19:05:28
199.   nemecizer
Me want insurance run(s)
2007-08-13 19:05:29
200.   tommyl
191 A huge change of "Joba" just continuous. Sounded almost like a South American soccer crowd. Then when he got the final K, Joba did a Clemens fist pump and let out a roar. The crowd went crazy.
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2007-08-13 19:06:43
201.   nemecizer
BTW, I just watched the Matt Damon-on-Letterman clip on YouTube. I want to ram this season in his smug face, the fucker.


Fucker lives down the block from me. I WANNA GLOAT IF I EVER SEE HIM.

Ahem, no more caps. Sorry.

2007-08-13 19:07:05
202.   nemecizer
Feck. Mo or the Hutt in the 9th?
2007-08-13 19:07:16
203.   nemecizer
Feck. Mo or the Hutt in the 9th?
2007-08-13 19:07:33
204.   nemecizer
What happened there?
2007-08-13 19:07:33
205.   monkeypants
193 Good point about the upcoming Hughes game. They could save him for that game, on the assumption that Hughes+Chamberlain go 5+2 or 6+2.

Well, Mo is coming in. We'll see if yesterday was just a bit of rust.

2007-08-13 19:07:39
206.   Mike T
Wow, way to put up a fight that inning
2007-08-13 19:07:55
207.   tommyl
190 8 strikeouts in 5 innings I think.
2007-08-13 19:08:20
208.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
198 Of course that should be Jorge Pipp and Jose Gehrig. I'm an eejit.
2007-08-13 19:09:03
209.   nemecizer
207 Oh, right, sorry. 2 against the Jays, 2 against the Tribe, and one tonight.

Did I mention I have a degree in math?

2007-08-13 19:09:05
210.   cult of basebaal
206 looked like cano just missed one, the way the graphic looked on gameday
2007-08-13 19:10:10
211.   OldYanksFan
I would prefer Joba in now. I suspect his 2nd innings will be better then his 1st.
2007-08-13 19:11:04
212.   tommyl
Oh no no no, its bad command version of Mo.
2007-08-13 19:11:19
213.   nemecizer
C'mon Mo.
2007-08-13 19:11:19
214.   cult of basebaal
c'mon mo ... bad time turn into a pumpkin
2007-08-13 19:11:22
215.   JeremyM
201 Man, you must be doing OK....
2007-08-13 19:11:41
216.   JeremyM
211 Is it heresy that I feel the same way?
2007-08-13 19:11:59
217.   monkeypants
Mo's control is off again tonight, at least so far.
2007-08-13 19:12:20
218.   tommyl
209 S'ok, I'm a string theorist. We're better with symbols. Preferably greek ones.
2007-08-13 19:13:17
219.   bartap74
209 Wasn't it two tonight?
2007-08-13 19:13:36
220.   JL25and3
218 Violin, viola or cello?
2007-08-13 19:13:37
221.   bartap74
Never mind. I thought you meant Ks.
2007-08-13 19:13:58
222.   tommyl
Jesus, Felix Hernadez is hitting 100 in Seattle. Wish I also got that game, Santana vs. Hernadez could be mighty entertaining.
2007-08-13 19:14:59
223.   ny2ca2dc
2007-08-13 19:15:02
224.   BklynBmr
Melky for President!
2007-08-13 19:15:03
225.   tommyl

Oh my G-d.

2007-08-13 19:15:15
226.   Raf
2007-08-13 19:15:20
227.   rsmith51
Thank you, O's! What was the 3b coach thinking?
2007-08-13 19:15:38
228.   nemecizer
That was lucky.
2007-08-13 19:15:58
229.   BklynBmr
Kudos to whoever positioned the outfield, too. Everyone is getting the job done these days!
2007-08-13 19:15:59
230.   bartap74
The future is now!
2007-08-13 19:16:13
231.   cult of basebaal
2007-08-13 19:16:14
232.   nemecizer
Can you imagine if we had Damon in center?


2007-08-13 19:16:23
233.   tommyl
Oh man I hate the Orioles
2007-08-13 19:16:29
234.   Raf
f'n roberts... gnat
2007-08-13 19:16:30
235.   ny2ca2dc
oh. my. god. what the fuck is wrong with mo.
2007-08-13 19:16:37
236.   Jeteupthemiddle

That was anticlimactic.

2007-08-13 19:16:42
237.   nemecizer
2007-08-13 19:16:43
238.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Um, can we get Joba back out there?
2007-08-13 19:16:44
239.   cult of basebaal
c'mon mo ... 1 more out
2007-08-13 19:16:49
240.   bartap74
Anyone else suddenly having D-Backs WS flashbacks?
2007-08-13 19:16:53
241.   cult of basebaal
2007-08-13 19:17:24
242.   Mike T
Well that's just fuckin' great.
2007-08-13 19:17:50
243.   BklynBmr
C'mon, Mo. Hold it for a Melkman walkoff...
2007-08-13 19:17:57
244.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Sorry, but this goes down as a Torre loss if we do lose.

After Mo's outing yesterday to bring him in tonight . . .


2007-08-13 19:18:13
245.   nemecizer
Mo's control seems off. I wonder if something is wrong. Wasn't it this time last year that he had elbow problems?
2007-08-13 19:18:40
246.   tommyl
235 Nothing, his command is a bit off. Two of those hits were bloops, one was a broken bat. He's Mo, he gives up a run every so often.
2007-08-13 19:19:02
247.   rsmith51
I would say that the OF should be playing shallower, but Mo has been tagged recently.
2007-08-13 19:19:18
248.   monkeypants
On the one hand, that was really the result of three bloopers. On the other hand, I miss the Mo who gets lots of grounders. These flairs are killing him.
2007-08-13 19:19:55
249.   rsmith51
I would have stuck with Joba, but Mo is certainly an obvious option.
2007-08-13 19:20:07
250.   bartap74
Would a Shelley Duncan walk-off make him a True Yankee(tm)?
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2007-08-13 19:20:14
251.   ny2ca2dc
looked like reasonable line drives to me...

this might be emotion speaking, but i call this a torre loss too - villone should've never been in (viz hasn't worked much, now?), and Joba should'a been left in. christ.

2007-08-13 19:20:29
252.   tommyl
Ok, time to go to work boys.
2007-08-13 19:20:45
253.   Chyll Will
Not Mo's fault. Roberts is a good hitter, and Bobby's throw in was high. What can you do?
2007-08-13 19:20:53
254.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
2007-08-13 19:20:57
255.   bartap74
Villone's wild pitches loom pretty large right now.
2007-08-13 19:21:10
256.   nemecizer
Okay, we get out of it. Time for some bottom of the ninth magic. This is still our game.
2007-08-13 19:21:18
257.   rsmith51
Matsui appeared to be playing shallow.

It looks like a good throw from Abreu would have ended the game. Time for some heroics please, Yankees!

2007-08-13 19:21:28
258.   BklynBmr
248 Mo rarely gets killed by anything else, huh?

And that was a scary route by 'Zilla! Whew!

Now let's launch one and call it a night...

2007-08-13 19:21:33
259.   cult of basebaal
alright ... let's get a walk off here
2007-08-13 19:21:33
260.   OldYanksFan
Matsui back-peddling scares the shit out of me!
2007-08-13 19:22:07
261.   nemecizer
251 Agreed, I would have left Joba in. But we might be grateful come Wednesday that he wasn't. Who knows.

Key question is, who comes in in the 10th if needed?

2007-08-13 19:22:25
262.   rsmith51
I prefer being tied at home to on the road.
2007-08-13 19:22:36
263.   Jeteupthemiddle
A Torre loss?


Because he went to his closer in the 9th inning of a 1 run game?

Rivera wasn't even hit was all bloops.

Some of you guys are simply too much.

Oh, and some of you guys aren't aware that it isn't exactly a loss at the moment.

2007-08-13 19:22:37
264.   monkeypants
251 Tonight? There wasn't a hard hit ball between them that inning.

Tough call on Villone. I agree that he should not have come in (in that I am not convinced he should even be on the team). But they had two lefties coming up, so in theory he was the right call.

2007-08-13 19:22:55
265.   nemecizer
Is it me, or does Chad Bradford look and have the name of a porn star?
2007-08-13 19:23:05
266.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Sorry, but Mo looked poor yesterday, and gave up 3 hits today, and not only couldn't get the ball by Cory Friggin Patterson, but allowed him to drive the ball the other way.
2007-08-13 19:23:08
267.   Chyll Will
I agree, Villone hurt the cause more than Mo just did.
2007-08-13 19:23:08
268.   tommyl
I can't fault Joe here. Viz has been overworked a ton. He brought in Villone with a 2 run lead and one runner on. That's mid leverage, but who else to go to besides Viz? Brower? Farnsworth?

As for Joba going for 2, his going 1 leaves him available for Wednesday which is the Hughes game. The only questionable move was going to Mo after he threw a lot of pitches last night, but he's Mo. Look, that's his first blown save since April 20th. I mean, the guy is going to mess up sometimes.

2007-08-13 19:23:15
269.   OldYanksFan
2007-08-13 19:23:26
270.   Yankees Brasil
251 Can't disagree about Villone, he shouldn't even be on this team..
but to not trust Mo, that sounds a bit absurd.. sure he had a bad outing yesterday, but comon, he's the best ever, if you can't trust him you can't trust no one else.
And I'm sure everybody would be complaining if Joba or Viz pitched the 9th and blew the save...
2007-08-13 19:23:33
271.   bartap74
No, not Worthless!
2007-08-13 19:23:35
272.   rsmith51
And look who's warming...
2007-08-13 19:23:44
273.   tommyl
Oh dear lord, Farnsworth for the 10th? Seriously? does Kyle have Weaver on the back of his jersey?
2007-08-13 19:24:05
274.   cult of basebaal
chad bradford's photo on gameday looks like he should have been in Super Troopers
2007-08-13 19:24:26
275.   nemecizer
272 No!
2007-08-13 19:24:29
276.   Chyll Will
Oh, no. We'd better get a walk-off here, or it's a done deal.
2007-08-13 19:24:31
277.   monkeypants
261 A tall bespectacled gentleman appears to be warming in the pen.
2007-08-13 19:24:59
278.   Yankees Brasil
where's Giambi?
2007-08-13 19:25:08
279.   bartap74
Why pinch hit for Duncan instead of Phillips when a homer wins it? I don't understand.
2007-08-13 19:25:10
280.   cult of basebaal
c'mon melky ... flash the 9spot power!!!
2007-08-13 19:25:40
281.   BklynBmr
WTF? Do we have to fight the whole division?
2007-08-13 19:25:52
282.   cult of basebaal
pinch hit the giambino!!!
2007-08-13 19:26:22
283.   Jeteupthemiddle
Why not pinch hit for Duncan when Phillips is playing first and Duncan is the DH and Duncan is guaranteed to get up anyway?
2007-08-13 19:26:34
284.   tommyl
Jason should bunt down the 3rd base line :). Sets it up for the Cap.
2007-08-13 19:26:49
285.   rsmith51
Let's go Jason, XBH!
2007-08-13 19:27:25
286.   tommyl
2007-08-13 19:27:28
287.   BklynBmr
Way to go, Jason! Huge!
2007-08-13 19:27:43
288.   williamnyy23
You can't blame Torre for bringing in Mo, but it does make you think about all those meaningless games into which Rivera has been brought. If Mo is tired, it's because he hasn't been used properly.

Now, if Krazy Kyle comes into the game instead of Chris Britton...uhm I mean Edwar Ramirez...uhm...forget about it.

2007-08-13 19:27:43
289.   Chyll Will
Okay, Fly ball wins it...(!!!)
2007-08-13 19:27:49
290.   rsmith51
Nicely placed, Jason! Perhaps you should be starting?
2007-08-13 19:28:00
291.   nemecizer
Sac fly, Captain. Sac fly.
2007-08-13 19:28:12
292.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
269 Actually, I'm not shitting you.

Mo threw 30 pitches yesterday, and didn't exactly shine doing it. Sorry, but even Mo needs a rest.

2007-08-13 19:28:13
293.   ny2ca2dc
man, no pinch runners left, no? danger of a double play here... just smack a sac fly cap, gitrdone!
2007-08-13 19:28:20
294.   monkeypants
279 Cuz someone's got to play 1B if he doesn't hit the HR. Torre burned three of them, and Giambi is not going into the field.
2007-08-13 19:28:22
295.   JL25and3
This Giambi kid looks like he can hit a little.
2007-08-13 19:28:24
296.   Mike T
Come on guys, sac fly wins it!
2007-08-13 19:28:24
297.   bartap74
2007-08-13 19:28:33
298.   OldYanksFan
Giambino! Just your typical washed up slugger...
2007-08-13 19:28:47
299.   Chyll Will
That'll do... (WHEW!) >;)
2007-08-13 19:28:51
300.   BklynBmr
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2007-08-13 19:29:03
301.   williamnyy23
Something about that meager rally was more satisfying than a walk off homerun.
2007-08-13 19:29:35
302.   ny2ca2dc

and i recall my hysterical torre-loss shit - just emotional. fuck me. this is actually a pretty big win - we can even win without Mo being invincible.

totally wrong about the torre stuff - for my complaint about villone, he mixed the position players quite well, and giambino delivers!

2007-08-13 19:29:54
303.   BklynBmr
There are few things in life I like seeing more than Cap's fist raised in that position...
2007-08-13 19:29:58
304.   Mike T
And the captain comes through!!!!!
2007-08-13 19:29:59
305.   JL25and3
Piece of cake. Had that one all the way.
2007-08-13 19:30:11
306.   nemecizer
Alright, 4 in a row. Let's keep rolling.
2007-08-13 19:30:17
307.   monkeypants
Wow...watching both teams bloop and bleed each other to death in the ninth!


2007-08-13 19:30:17
308.   OldYanksFan
What a crappy pitch to swing at. I guess the breaks are going our way...
2007-08-13 19:30:20
309.   cult of basebaal
2007-08-13 19:30:38
310.   Zack
Worst. Walk-off hit. Ever. And by that I mean the best :)

That Derek Jeter, he just knows how to win :)

2007-08-13 19:30:46
311.   Jeteupthemiddle
288 But that doesn't make sense.

Rivera hasn't been overworked.

Tonight was his 10th appearance since July 18 (including that night).

That hardly screams overworked.

Tonight was actually his first consecutive game appearance since he pitched three in a row July 14, 15, and 16.

2007-08-13 19:31:01
312.   williamnyy23
With Mo in need of rest and Chamberlain already used tonight, tomorrow's game could get dicey, which makes this win very important.
2007-08-13 19:31:17
313.   BklynBmr
301 Great take. That speaks volumes...
2007-08-13 19:31:30
314.   yankz
Boy, I just caught the Jeter interview. Sweet!!!
2007-08-13 19:32:03
315.   weeping for brunnhilde
So you know what?

I'm driving home just in time to catch Mo blowing the save and, though it always hurts inside to see Mo fail, I knew this was our game.

We're hot, we're at home.

I knew we'd win.

Sorry I missed the game, though.

Perhaps I'll catch the rebroadcast, if for nothing else than to see Joba, whom I missed again.

I caught his first appearance, but I've missed the last two.

2007-08-13 19:32:48
316.   weeping for brunnhilde
308 Indeed they are.
2007-08-13 19:33:17
317.   rsmith51
Mo and Joba available on Wed.

I guess Farns and Viz or pray for rain tomorrow...

2007-08-13 19:33:29
318.   nemecizer
Remember when we used to lose close games? That was, like, in May.
2007-08-13 19:34:15
319.   williamnyy23
311 Being overworked doesn't have to be a season issue. Yesterday, Mo threw 30 pitches in a 1+ inning outing. Now, had he not been brought into a 6-1 game on Friday as well, he may have been more fresh today. I am not saying Mo was tired, but if he was, then it would definitely call into question the Friday appearance.
2007-08-13 19:34:46
320.   JL25and3
312 It would have been nice to get a little more out of Wang tonight, for just that reason. Neither Rivera or Chamberlain will pitch tomorrow, which leaves them Karstens, Villone, Farnsworth and Vizcaino.

Any word on when Brower will be back? Not that he's a savior or anything, but they sorta need someone who can eat up 2-3 innings in a blowout.

2007-08-13 19:34:54
321.   Chyll Will
302 S'okay, just figure that Villone was either a piece that didn't work like it was supposed to, but Torre course-corrected (and got lucky doing so). I still don't like Villone in that situation, but perhaps Joe's options were limited. It's moot now, and oddly satisfying to boot >;)
2007-08-13 19:34:59
322.   fansince77
Giambi was big- HUGE. Nice to have a bench. A bench like this for a change.

I thought they shoulda let Jabba go two. Mariano pitched an exhausting outing yesterday. Joba was already in the Bird's heads...I thought it was a really bad move to go to Mo then (even before the debacle).

2007-08-13 19:35:37
323.   nemecizer
16 games above .500. What a turn around. Weren't we about .500 at the break?
2007-08-13 19:35:51
324.   monkeypants
312 317 Yeah, Karsten starting and a shot back end of the pen...could be ugly. I'm probably overreacting, but they might want to call someone up for tomorrow. Unfortunately, there isn't really anyone to send down, except Brower, who is probably going to pitch tomorrow anyway. Yikes.

Break out the bats, boys!

2007-08-13 19:35:56
325.   BklynBmr
315 I missed Joba live, too, but have it on DVR. Can't wait to see that inning. 14 pitches, 9 stikes, 2 Ks according to YahooSports....
2007-08-13 19:36:52
326.   OldYanksFan
317 I'd call the BP and go with rain.
2007-08-13 19:37:10
327.   williamnyy23
317 I really wish the Yankees could get the O's to switch Bedard and Cabrera. Is it too late for Clemens to appeal? Seriously, Karsten will be hard pressed to give a solid five innings, which means Viz and Farnsworth will have to pitch high leverage innings. If the Yankees win tomorrow, it will be with the bats.
2007-08-13 19:37:16
328.   JL25and3
319 He threw 13 pitches Friday night, then had a day off. The 30-pitch outing may have tired him out, but I can't believe that the Friday appearance affected that.
2007-08-13 19:39:02
329.   monkeypants
328 I complain a lot (too much?) about Torre's BP management, but I agree with you here. Friday should not have been an issue. More relevant is what impact yesterday's long, difficult outing had.
2007-08-13 19:39:13
330.   tommyl
2007-08-13 19:39:40
331.   joe in boston
303 One of the best Banter entries ever. So true !

I loved his comment in the postgame interview about Joba: "Yankee fans know their stuff" or something like that ....

2007-08-13 19:40:24
332.   fansince77
We need Johann to deal right now.
2007-08-13 19:40:38
333.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn, Bobby hit a shot.

And nice play by Melky!

Damn, look at Betamit.

I don't much care for that golf swing, but it's hard to argue with success.

2007-08-13 19:40:38
334.   cult of basebaal
gotta thank the O's for not pitching their closer in a tie game on the road ...

seattle up 2-0 on santana and the twins ... meh

2007-08-13 19:41:08
335.   weeping for brunnhilde
Jorgie, going the other way, as usual. Beautiful. That's why he's hitting .340.
2007-08-13 19:41:14
336.   OldYanksFan
I'm on record 211 as wanting to stay with Joba, for a number of reasons. And I agree that Mo worked hard yesterday. But calling it a 'Torre loss' for going with Mo is WAY overboard.

There's an article on ESPN called:
Jeff Pearlman: Sorry, Mr. Torre
Frustrated fans should not be using this man as a whipping boy.

2007-08-13 19:41:28
337.   williamnyy23
Seattle is getting annoying...2 runs in the first against Santana.
2007-08-13 19:41:58
338.   ny2ca2dc
i tend to agree on the BP stuff, but my friends, balance that with the use of the bench, PHing Shelly, Giambi - good usage.
2007-08-13 19:41:59
339.   weeping for brunnhilde
Melky's a golden god out there.

Oh, man, Abreu should have had that blooper off Mo, no?

It actually looked catchable off the bat.

2007-08-13 19:43:06
340.   yankz
Definitely not a Torre loss, nor did it have the potential to be one.

Captain Clutch does it again, though not in that usual beautiful-liner-to-RF kind of way.

Giambi comes up huge.

Torre PH for Damon with a rookie. Mad props.

And we have a 21-year old setup guy with an ERA+ of infinity and a K/9 through the roof.

It's good to be a Yankee fan today.

2007-08-13 19:44:44
341.   williamnyy23
328 329 It's more than the pitches though...Mo had to warm up as well. Even though it wasn't taxing, there was no reason to use Mo in a 6-1 game. I am not willing to dismiss the possibility that pitching Friday combined with yesterday's tough outing might have limited Mo's velocity and command tonight.
2007-08-13 19:45:01
342.   weeping for brunnhilde
Giambi comes up huge indeed.

What a monster off the bench, like Straw.


That's gotta make him feel great, too, contributing like that.

It's all clicking, friends, it's all clicking.

2007-08-13 19:46:47
343.   williamnyy23
339 I thought so fact, my initial reaction was that it might be over Abreu's head. Perhaps the big swing also fooled Abreu and caused him to take a step back.
2007-08-13 19:47:03
344.   nemecizer
Can someone explain why the Tigers are 2 games back in the WC and the Indians are apparently in first place in the AL Central, but the teams have identical records at 65-53?

I have to assume it's because the Indians are winning the season series against the Tigers. Is that right?

2007-08-13 19:48:42
345.   OldYanksFan
The Yankees have played .750 ball over there last 40 games.

According to Buster O:
If the Yankees don't make the playoffs, manager Joe Torre may well be dismissed, and Cashman might be shoved out of power -- "tagged out," to use the phrase of the club's executives. But Phil Hughes is here to stay, and so are Joba Chamberlain and most of the other young pitchers who make up what is considered, by rivals, to be the best collection of mound prospects in any organization.

2007-08-13 19:48:43
346.   williamnyy23
344 That's probably the reason. Although, if the season ended today, the two teams would play one game to determine the division winner.
2007-08-13 19:50:18
347.   Chyll Will
339 Bobby should have had the throw down like Melky. Oh well. Guys picked him up lovely in a way I'm certain you appreciate >;)
2007-08-13 19:50:43
348.   nemecizer
345 They all said it would never happen, but it has. The Yanks have played over .660 since June 1st. This is a long term trend, not just a post-break sprint.
2007-08-13 19:51:29
349.   Max
339 Roberts got jammed, but he got a pretty good stroke on it...I think Abreu was undecided on how hard to charge the ball. The way it fell in surprised me...shallower than I thought.

Melky obviously played the previous bloop much better, but in fairness to Abreu, he had to make a perfect throw to get Redman, who was really motoring. I think between the way the ball fell in, and Redman's speed, he just couldn't compose himself to make a good throw the way Melky did.

2007-08-13 19:52:12
350.   yankz
The commenter "rLr" over at RLYW wrote this gem that I feel obligated to pass on:

"Chamberlain is probably wondering how long he has to pitch in this league before he gets promoted again."

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2007-08-13 19:52:28
351.   monkeypants
341 I don't know..he's the closer, right. He should be able to make thre appearances in five or six days. I don't think Friday's appearance was really an issue today, but you may be right.

That said, I do wish Torre would use the games before off days more strategically. The Wednesday blowout loss was a perfect time to get Mo an inning of work without the risk that it would hurt his performance the next day.

2007-08-13 19:54:11
352.   cult of basebaal
350 hahahahaha!
2007-08-13 19:54:19
353.   Chyll Will
350 Classic...
2007-08-13 19:56:28
354.   williamnyy23
350 That's kind of like Tom Kelly's comments about Mo early in his career. Kelly pretty much went on a rant about how Mo belonged in another league because the majors was beneath him.
2007-08-13 19:56:37
355.   yankz
Boy, lots of pressure on the kid tomorrow. No Joba or Mo. Hopefully he can go 6 IP, 4 ER, the Yanks drop a few 6 spots, and EDLV and Farns can hold it down.
2007-08-13 19:57:21
356.   Chyll Will
I've never heard of Bigalow tea... do they even sell that around here??
2007-08-13 19:57:49
357.   nemecizer
350 Nice \(-_-)/
2007-08-13 19:57:55
358.   RIYank

I was in time to catch Joba's eighth (YAY!), Melky's throw (WHEW!) Mo's blown save (NOOOO!), and then of course the Big Exhale.

Melkman was the hero of the game, huh?

And was everyone cursing Joe for yanking Joba after that superb inning?

2007-08-13 20:01:32
359.   williamnyy23
This team is almost perfect...if they would only replace Farnsworth and Brower with Ramirez and Britton (since coming off the DL, Britton has thrown 5.1 IP, 1R, 5H, 1BB, 6K), then I wouldn't have anything to complain about.

All kiding aside, what does Britton have to do to get a promotion? I mean Brower?

2007-08-13 20:02:49
360.   Jeteupthemiddle
The thing is, that it is hard to criticize Torre for only using Chamberlain for only one inning when you know that he gets a day off for every inning he pitches.
2007-08-13 20:02:49
361.   Chyll Will
Joba's so cool. He said he didn't even know who he was facing, just left-right-whatever, and he likes it better that way.

Jorge said something cool to him as well: "Slow it down; this game doesn't go until you go." Nice...

2007-08-13 20:05:56
362.   RIYank
360 Good point. But that wasn't the only reason. The biggest reason to leave Joba in was that if the O's tied the game and the Yanks didn't score, you really don't want to see Krazy Kyle warming up for the tenth. (Which we did see, but fortunately that was the only work he got.)
2007-08-13 20:06:12
363.   monkeypants
359 The Brower promotion was indeed perplexing; Torre's explanation that he can 'pitch back-to-back days' rings hollow. My only thought is that he's the first one to get DFA'd if the team makes another 40-man roster move. But then again, what move could there be, unless the mythical Igawa trade nets two players for the 40-man??
2007-08-13 20:06:21
364.   williamnyy23
359 Since returning to the minors, Edwar is 11.1 IP, 6H, 1R, 1BB, 19K. I can't come up with one good reason why he isn't up here. If Cashman is worried Torre wont use him, then he should demand it.
2007-08-13 20:08:37
365.   cult of basebaal
situations like we saw here tonite don't occur very often ... looking at the gamelogs on baseball-reference, i found 3 similar examples in the last 3 years


22 pitches on 4/23
28 pitches on 4/28
1 inning no runs on 4/29

23 pitches on 7/14
26 pitches on 7/16
1 inning no runs on 7/17

7 pitches on 8/8
31 pitches on 8/10
1.1 innings no runs on 8/11

joe has used mo like this before in the past and mo has been successful, i don't have a problem with the decision to bring him in ...

2007-08-13 20:08:49
366.   RIYank
361 Very cool. (He was asked about facing Tejada, and he said he hadn't realized who it was, just that it was a righty.) Now compare Eric Gagne's feelings about facing Miguel Tejada...
2007-08-13 20:11:37
367.   Jeteupthemiddle
362 Fine, but it wasn't like Joba was leaving the game for Farnsworth. He was leaving the game for Mariano Rivera.

I understand that Joba is practically God, but he does only have a handful of ML innings, and it was his first appearance in Yankee Stadium. Asking him to pitch a second inning and save a 1-run game may have been too much.

I'm not saying that leaving him in would be a bad decision (I do think he could have gotten the save). What I am saying is that taking him out in favor of Rivera is a sound decision.

2007-08-13 20:11:48
368.   monkeypants
365 A lot of tonight was fluky. Some, I think, is that Mo 2007 is not the same guy who pitched in those situations you cite from 2005 & 2006.
2007-08-13 20:12:52
369.   cult of basebaal
i think the brower promotion was due to a couple of factors ... britton was either injured or just off the dl when the callup occurred ... there's the whole trust issue with joe and edwar ... brower was having a good year and i think they wanted to take a look at him and see what they had before they absolutely had to set the rosters for postseason eligibility ... i think if brower struggles much more, he'll be gone within a week or so ... then again, yaneverknow
2007-08-13 20:16:51
370.   yankz
I really wonder if it has anything to do with Edwar crying after getting shelled. I really do.
2007-08-13 20:17:43
371.   williamnyy23
368 I don't think Mo is far off from his best days (if you eliminate 2 bad outings, his ERA is almost as low as ever). Also, he didn't exactly get smacked around today. My only point was there was no reason to pitch him on Friday. I know Mo needs work, but it's August now. I think we've reached the point where Torre should only use Mo in high leverage situations. As I've posted many times before, over 19 of Mo's 46 appearance have come with the team ahead or behind by at least 4 runs. That is simply too high a percentage.
2007-08-13 20:18:07
372.   RIYank
367 Huh?

I'm aware that Joba was not removed for Kyle and that he was removed for Mo!

My point was that by removing Joba for Mo, you force Farnsworth to pitch the tenth if there is a tenth. Are you saying that's not true, or that it's not a bad thing?

2007-08-13 20:18:26
373.   cult of basebaal
entering 2nite since the 1st of may, rivera had pitched:

40.1 innings
35 hits
7 runs
2 walks
45 ks

i'd say that's right about in line with the mo from the previous 2 years ...

2007-08-13 20:24:22
374.   Max
360 Agreed. You can bitch about Joe all you want (I've done my share), and he's not a very creative guy, but there's only so much youth you can throw at him at once. Brower had decent numbers and he's a's not that inexplicable that he would be brought up to eat some innings with Proctor gone.

People constantly bitch and moan about Britton's absence, but I haven't seen anyone talk about the nature of his injury and his recovery. I want to see him up here as well, but he seems almost more useful as a symbolic stick to beat Torre and Cashman with, no matter how few innings he's pitched...for several weeks, no one even mentioned he was on the DL.

I think Edwar will be back, and hopefully his second audition will go much smoother (with a more regular schedule), especially with Joba and Hughes greasing the wheels for the new wave. And hopefully Brower doesn't do too much damage (or his damage is contained to a couple of blowouts) before he's shipped out.

2007-08-13 20:25:32
375.   Max
Sorry, post 374 was referring to 369 re the Brower promotion.
2007-08-13 20:25:37
376.   BklynBmr
355 Guidry has to tell Karstens there is no pressure. Be yourself. Do what you did to get to this level. We have some bats to pick you up. And obey Jorge. (I'm praying for the bats myself, but would love to see JK represent, just because.)

361 Tools of ignorance, my azzzz. Catchers rock, and Posada is the most successful since he's been starting. Great line.

The Boids aren't pushovers, but this is winnin' time, baby. Everyone has got to pick each other up. Can't wait 'till "Play Ball" tomorrow night!

2007-08-13 20:25:47
377.   cult of basebaal
we can't have this both ways ... if joe hadn't pitched mo on friday and mo had thrown the sloppy game he had yesterday after 7 days off, everyone would have been bitching about how joe fucked up and didn't get him work to keep him sharp
2007-08-13 20:27:46
378.   monkeypants
371 But what should Torre have done since the all star break, when there really have not been that many close games? Yes, he should use him in higher leverage situations in the middle of games, but we all know that is not going to happen (nor would any manager use his 'closer' thus). If he doesn't pitch in the 6-1 game on Friday, or any of the surrounding blowouts, then you are looking at about a week between appearances. I'm not sure that's a good thing.
2007-08-13 20:29:17
379.   williamnyy23
377 In April and May, I can accept the Mo needs work argument. It's August now and I think Mo can stay sharp with a few extra days rest when the opportunity presents itself. The dangers of over use are much more significant than under use.
2007-08-13 20:34:31
380.   monkeypants
373 You're right. I was going to argue that Rivera's stats (beside ERA) were off this year, but then I checked and they really look right in line with the last couple of years.

So, I'll make an emotional, perceptual argument: he doesn't seem as dominant to me this year. It seems that he has more 2 and 3 ball counts, and that he is giving up more fly balls. His BB and K look really good; his H totals are up some (but overall his WHIP is almost identical).

2007-08-13 20:36:19
381.   RIYank
I'm not particularly optimistic about tomorrow, either, but don't forget: the Orioles aren't really very good. They've been shut down by some Jeff Karstenish pitching before, and they will be again. Why not a big night for Jeff tomorrow?

Yeah, probably not. But not inconceivable.

2007-08-13 20:37:58
382.   williamnyy23
378 Here's a quick illustration. On July 25 and 29, Rivera pitched in a 7-1 and 10-6 game, yet, he didn't pitch in 4-2 and 7-5 losses on July 28-29. In each instance, the Orioles scored late inning runs to bolster their lead.

Similary, on August 2, Mo could have been used against the White Sox when the Yankees were trailing 11-9. He hadn't pitched since 7/29, so that would have been a good spot to get an inning of work. Instead, Kyle gives up two runs in the 8th and then Torre uses Mo the next day in a 7-1 victory (and then again the following day in a 16-8 win).

I'm sorry, but I see no logic in that pattern of use.

2007-08-13 20:40:44
383.   BklynBmr
At this moment in time, Yanks have the third best record in MLB...
2007-08-13 20:41:50
384.   monkeypants
379 It is interesting to note that his ERA is highest this year when he has either one day rest or more than two days rest. So perhaps he really does need more regular work to stay sharp?

Warning--ridiculously small sample sizes:

Days rest/INN/ERA
0 Days 9.2 3.72
1 Day 12.1 0.73
2 Days 8 1.12
3 Days 10.2 6.75
4 Days 5.2 3.18
5 Days 1.2 0.00
6+ Days 1 0.00

2007-08-13 20:42:28
385.   cult of basebaal
who was it that was complaining the yankees don't have guys with cool enough names in the other thread???

how about this guy playing over in the dominican summer leagues:

Jahdiel Santamaria

2007-08-13 20:43:50
386.   monkeypants
382 I agree with you, man. But no manager uses their closer in close losses, let alone other higher leverage situations.
2007-08-13 20:47:08
387.   Vandelay Industries
Not to rain on the parade, but those "weak" Mariners are up 3-1 against Santana.
2007-08-13 20:49:11
388.   monkeypants
387 They, too, are perplexing.
2007-08-13 20:51:52
389.   thelarmis
385 i went to a minor league game on thursday nite up in PA. the Spikes had a player named:

Smelin Davis

!!! who names their kid "smelin"?!

2007-08-13 20:52:20
390.   BklynBmr
387 I'm watching. M's are officially in the 'pesky' column. Can they sustain? Personally, I'd like to see them overtake the Halos, especially if the WC comes from the East...
2007-08-13 20:55:27
391.   Max
386 Bingo. How many managers use their closers before the ninth inning in close games where the team is trailing? Especially on the road (as was the case for the games referenced on the 27th and 28th against Baltimore).

Does anyone realistically expect Mo to be brought in a game in the 7th inning with his team trailing 3-1, just because the alternatives are so much suckier? This stretches the concept of "high leverage" to the order of a lab experiment. Maybe in the playoffs or in the final week of a pennant race, but not for games in July.

This isn't an RJ or Sheffield type dead horse argument yet, but it's starting to get there.

2007-08-13 20:56:14
392.   Vandelay Industries
388 And the Mariners face Minn, then CHW, then Minn, then Texas, Anaheim, then Cleveland for one game, then Toronto, then the Yankees, then Detroit, then Oakland, then Tampa, then Oakland, then Anaheim, then Cleveland, and end with Texas.

I'd say that schedule certainly favors the Mariners finishing up pretty strong.

In other words, I thinks we needs to win the division.

2007-08-13 21:01:24
393.   monkeypants
392 True, but something's got to give between SEA and ANA. If the Yanks keep winning, things will probably work themselves out.
2007-08-13 21:08:17
394.   monkeypants
Hmmm...twins inexplicably bunt with men on 1st and 2nd, no outs, down by 2, against a pitcher making his frst MLB appearance.
2007-08-13 21:08:42
395.   Vandelay Industries
390 I've been screamimg from rooftops all season. Yes, they can sustain it. They have a great lineup, which is only now clicking along. They have an ace and a few serviceable guys with a good bullpen. I could care less what the pythagreon record is, they have the best team in the AL West. Although, I don't think they can overtake the Angels, but I still think they will make the playoffs, and either the Yankees or Boston will not.

Of course I hope I am very very wrong. But if we miss, I'd rather it be Seattle over the fighting Leylands, who couldn't even make a series against a .500 team in the World Series. And it doesn't hurt that they have two huge malcontents in Sheffield and Ordonez. How soon people forget what an utter and complete ass hole he was while in Chicago.

2007-08-13 21:10:24
396.   Vandelay Industries
Holy Shit! The Twins managed to plate a run.
2007-08-13 21:13:05
397.   cult of basebaal
395 be careful where you go screaming, else they'll come for you with the tranquilizers and the nets ...
2007-08-13 21:13:23
398.   Vandelay Industries
And od course Mauer does his best Jorge Posada imitation on the basepaths. Are Pudge and Kendall the only catchers in MLB who have the slightest clue what to do once they reach base? But score tied 3-3.
2007-08-13 21:14:01
399.   thelarmis
twinkies tied it up! i gotta go practice, hopefully i'll come home to a seattle loss...
2007-08-13 21:14:39
400.   monkeypants
398 Kendall reaches base so infrequently these days, he has a lot of time to plan properly.
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2007-08-13 21:15:20
401.   Vandelay Industries
397 I know, the latest moron to grace BBTN, Eric Young, also picked the Mariners. I don't like what that says about me. ESPN should have just settled any Reynolds related law suit and kept him on. It has been unwatchable since he got the boot.
2007-08-13 21:18:29
402.   cult of basebaal
401 well, and steve phillips did too ... with friends like those, as they say ...
2007-08-13 21:18:43
403.   Vandelay Industries
Pete Abraham made a good point tonight. It is one thing for Mo to be human every so often, but not backing up (twice no less!), considering he is one of the most fundamentally sound pitchers out there, is a bit disconcerting.
2007-08-13 21:22:10
404.   Vandelay Industries

Like I said. I hope I am very wrong, and Boston fades and the WC comes from the Central. The key will be for us to put some distance between us and Seattle, should they faulter for a few games like they did a month ago. We west coast people get to watch Seattle and Anaheim et al., play on a regular basis, and I haven't really seen anything from Seattle to indicate they are going to hit the skids.

2007-08-13 21:27:15
405.   yankz
Here's Joba:

And the Captain:

2007-08-13 21:29:50
406.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh my God, what a hideous pair of paintings!

Wtf are those?

Those are the most garish things I've ever seen in my life.

If you're going to give the man a portrait, find yourself a real artist.

2007-08-13 21:30:13
407.   cult of basebaal
seattle's september schedule is going to be the real test for them ... they've got the yankees, tiger, a's, angels and cleveland
2007-08-13 21:31:22
408.   BklynBmr
395 Still far too early to count anyone out or in. Twinkies could turn this into a rout tonight, and M's could lose next 8 straight. Who knows? We'll see. Whatever happens from Opening Day through mid-August is four letter network ad sales fodder, and blogger's reaching for some (any) editorial angle to show how smart they are. Usually dead wrong, but we love them anyway, huh ;-)

Also, Yanks and Boston control their respective outcomes.

Relax. Things are just getting interesting, and no one has a clue. Let's just watch and see what happens...

2007-08-13 21:33:50
409.   cult of basebaal
wow ... the assclown on ESPN News just called him Bubba Chamberlain ... nothing but the best from the "worldwide leader"
2007-08-13 21:36:59
410.   kdw
405 Thanks very much!!!!
2007-08-13 21:37:48
411.   yankz
410 My pleasure!

409 Are you kidding me? How f'ing stupid can they be...

2007-08-13 21:37:56
412.   BklynBmr
409 You can block that channel on your cable system. Highly recommended during the regular season for Yankees fans.
2007-08-13 21:41:11
413.   monkeypants
So, do the Twins just throw away outs on purpose?
2007-08-13 21:48:42
414.   BklynBmr
Sexson walkoff. Good for the M's. Plenty of ball to play. Deep breaths all...
2007-08-13 21:54:10
415.   weeping for brunnhilde
I just had a flashback of Derek hitting a homerun into the black.

Am I making that up, or did he once hit such a shot?


2007-08-13 21:57:51
416.   yankz
415 Mr. November.

2001 World Series off Kim of Arizona. First home run ever hit in November.

2007-08-13 21:59:00
417.   yankz
416 Whoa, wtf, I somehow, in my lack-of-sleep induced dyslexia, morphed posts 414 and 415, and thought you were asking if Jeter ever hit a walkoff home run. Hehe. My bad.

Didn't his only career grand slam go into the black? Or did I make that up.

2007-08-13 22:00:33
418.   weeping for brunnhilde
416 No, I'm talking dead center.

That was to right.

2007-08-13 22:01:20
419.   weeping for brunnhilde
417 :)

Ah, that's possible...that's possible.

2007-08-13 22:08:17
420.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow, Jorgie was pretty quick inside there.

That was impressive.

(Watching the recast, btw. Bottom 2, no out, Cano at the bat.)

2007-08-13 22:18:38
421.   yankz
I found this on some dude's blog:

"Take the 2004 Division Series. Leading off Game 2, a night after the team had been shutout by Minnesota, Jeter launched a monster homer into the black seats of Yankee Stadium."
(article's not really a good read, it's one of those "Jeter has heart so he's better than A-rod" pieces.)

2007-08-13 22:20:40
422.   Vandelay Industries
408 I agree. I seem to recall some here, and for that matter, one of them being a name which appears at the top of this page almost every day, writing off the Yankees chances of taking the division before the All-Star Break. But I have been consistent all season, I like the M's chances, and the Yankees aren't done until the math says so.

414 My fellow banterer. . . I don't think the words "Good for" should ever be followed by the name of a team that is ahead of us in the standings. Just a thought. It must be the San Francisco fog or something.

Nite nite bro.

2007-08-13 22:44:52
423.   Mike T
This of course won't come as a surprise to anyone on here, but Steve Phillips just said on Sportscenter, for the second night in a row, that the Yankees won't be making the playoffs.
2007-08-13 23:02:51
424.   Vandelay Industries
423 It is just sensationalistic fodder to keep those below twenty-one, and those with IQ's about the speed of Moose's fastball tuning in.

He also says that the Yankees don't have any pitching and too much offense, so they won't make it. But yet he claims that Atlanta will make it because they have tons of offense and only two pitchers. There is a reason not one team has offered him a real job since leaving the Mets.

But hey, just be happy they took their lips off Tiger Woods' ass long enough to run something else. Unfortunately, that something else will be three hours of coverage on Vick and the NFL, and I believe it is almost a month before Goodell begins handing out HGH and Steroids like candy. He has to finish up burying all the evidence that professional football has ignored such evidence of concussion related injuries and depression and suicide. Oh shit, I forgot, he has to complete his utter screwing over of former players first. Sorry, it is just so frustrating to watch all the coverage of PED's in baseball while football gets a free pass, while it runs rampant on every team to this day. ESPN did try to illustrate that once, but the NFL threatened to pull their television contract. No more talk of steroids and PED's in the NFL, or else! I about fell off my chair when I saw them run a special on concussions.

2007-08-13 23:06:27
425.   BklynBmr
422 On 408 , we definitely agree. Against better judgment, just tuned in and saw a segment where four letter network 'expert' Steve Phillips told us why both the Yanks and Mutts will not reach the postseason. Is there money is this? How do we get a slice?

It reminded me of a FOX News business program promo I've never forgotten (circa 2003). Voiceover: "Now that Osama Bin Laden is on the run, what stocks should you have in your portfolio? We'll tell you." Really?

Ahh, the fog of a pennant race. Everyone goes sideways, from the first pitch of game one on...

Seattle? They're sitting on a fault line, literally and figuratively. The team has the most brutal schedule of all "remaining contenders" and the city itself is long overdue to rock, so to speak...

Let's revisit things a month from now and see what's what...

2007-08-13 23:28:42
426.   Mike T
424 Don't forget how the NBA is labeled the "thug league" while the NFL has had hundreds of arrests just since 2000. The only ones you really hear about for more than an initial announcement, though, are ones like Vick, Pacman Jones here in Vegas, or Tank Johnson violating probation by keeping an arsenal in his house. I can barely watch the NFL anymore. Even my team, the Dolphins, have had their share of player run-ins with the law. Thank god for the English Premiere League, which just opened up their 07-08 season of the beautiful game this past weekend. Go Arsenal!
2007-08-14 04:30:09
427.   Raf
401 He said it again? He said it before, then towards the end of the show said that it was too early and too close, and that he couldn't pick anyone.
2007-08-14 04:42:28
428.   Jeteupthemiddle
Not sure if the thread will still be active, but I'll answer a question directed to me.

372 Sure, because Joba was removed for Rivera we would have been forced to use Farnsworth in the 10th.

But the bigger point, is that no one should expect to need the tenth inning when you are brining in Rivera to protect a 1 run lead.

It is still a sound decision on Torre's part.

2007-08-14 05:00:43
429.   RIYank
On the Mariners:
If they're that good, Vandelay, how come they've scored fewer runs than the Indians have, and allowed just eight fewer than the Indians have allowed? Which is really good: their pitching, or their offense?

428 I don't know what that means, "no one should expect to need the tenth." Do you mean that everybody should assume that there is no chance whatsoever that Rivera would give up a run? Obviously not, that's ridiculous. So, since we all know that even top closers sometimes give up runs, it's relevant and important who will be available for the tenth in the event that the game does get tied up.

2007-08-14 05:35:19
430.   3rd gen yankee fan
406 Aren't they awful? When I saw them I thought, oh cool, some little kid did those. Then they showed the artist watching the ballgame.

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