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Moose and Byrd
2007-08-11 15:18
by Cliff Corcoran
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The Indians got five men on base last night and only one of them scored. Place your bets as to when they'll equal those totals tonight against Mike Mussina. Before you do, note that Moose has gone 3-0 in his last three starts with a 3.06 ERA and a 1.30 WHIP. Going back further, Moose has a 3.68 ERA and 1.29 WHIP over his last 11 games. Not so bad for a guy who might just be the Yankees' fifth starter if Phil Hughes can put a few good starts together.

Paul Byrd is the same guy he's always been: a shade better than league average, control/contact junkballer, and Kelsey Grammar look-alike with an odd crouching-dragon delivery straight out of the 1930s. Byrd faced the Yanks twice last year, his first with Cleveland. The first time he held them to one run over seven innings but lost 1-0 to Chien-Ming Wang. The second time he got rocked for nine runs (only four earned) in 3 2/3 innings as the Tribe lost 11-3. Byrd is 4-1 with a 3.34 ERA over his last nine starts and is coming off a shutout of the Twins in Minnesota. Key stat: Byrd has walked just 1.07 men per nine innings on the season. The Yanks will have to hit their way on tonight, not that they've had much trouble with that of late.

Jorge's still out with that stiff neck. Jim Brower's away to be with his wife and newborn baby. And Pete Abe reports that the "Joba Rules" stipulate one day off for each inning pitched, so no more Joba in this series.

Update: Joe Torre suggested that Posada is actually feeling better and will likely return to the lineup in tomorrow's day game.

Comments (184)
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2007-08-11 15:47:22
1.   RIYank
Joba Rules. Cool.
Okay, so Vizcaino tonight. But this really makes me wish Mariano hadn't pitched yesterday. It would be nice to think he could go tonight and tomorrow. Otherwise we'll be seeing a lot of Villone and Farnsworth.
2007-08-11 15:53:00
2.   joejoejoe
The "Joba Rules" seem like good rules for bullpen management. A reliever could have 54 appearances and pitch 102 innings under the "Joba Rules" or pitch 81 games and 81 innings.
2007-08-11 15:54:16
3.   RIYank
Oh, gosh. There goes Beckett's shut-out. What a shame.

Sorry, now I'll turn my attention to Cleveland.

2007-08-11 15:56:41
4.   monkeypants
1 Mo pitching last night was stupid. If he needed work, he should have pitched in the blow out loss in Toronto, which would have been followed by an off day. Then he could go back-to-back tonight and tomorrow (if needed), followed by another off day.
2007-08-11 16:08:37
5.   JL25and3
0 I like the headline. There aren't nearly enough Frostbite Falls references going around these days.
2007-08-11 16:13:00
6.   oldschoolrozelli
hello all

very excited about jaba chamberlain last night - the 'jaba rules' from torre are classic - what's the chances he honors them in late september - yankees clinging to one run in the late innings and mo has already worked 6 of the last 7 games?

we'll see, i guess.

found a good jaba chamberlain article if anyone wants to see why i'm so excited:

anyway - Let's Go Yanks!

2007-08-11 16:24:36
7.   Chyll Will
cricket, cricket...
2007-08-11 16:26:17
8.   bobtaco
Anyone think the Moose cleared waivers?
2007-08-11 16:28:07
9.   Chyll Will
right behind Manny...
2007-08-11 16:31:50
10.   bobtaco
Man, those Cano hits down the line are beautiful.
2007-08-11 16:32:10
11.   Chyll Will
2007-08-11 16:33:01
12.   3rd gen yankee fan
Melky Melky Melky Melky Melky Melky Melky! Happy birthday Melky.
2007-08-11 16:33:30
13.   Chyll Will
and Melky, too!

Man, Robbie could've walked to third on that throw.

2007-08-11 16:34:21
14.   Chyll Will
Oh, he did walk to third...
2007-08-11 16:35:39
15.   Chyll Will
Is anyone watching on YES? Did they not just indicate a man on third a moment ago?
2007-08-11 16:37:13
16.   JeremyM
Damon needs to blow this thing open right now.
2007-08-11 16:37:14
17.   Chyll Will
Never mind, they're having a technical meltdown, apparently...
2007-08-11 16:37:18
18.   OldYanksFan
Jason? Jason? Where are you Jason?
2007-08-11 16:38:21
19.   yankz
5 Wossamata, U?
2007-08-11 16:38:45
20.   3rd gen yankee fan
2007-08-11 16:38:52
21.   Chyll Will
16 All you need to do is ask >;)
2007-08-11 16:38:58
22.   OldYanksFan
yup... JD looks done.
2007-08-11 16:41:42
23.   Chyll Will
Bullshyt. That was below the knees...
2007-08-11 16:43:36
24.   RIYank
I have an internet disability this evening, but I'm tracking Banter sporadically, and definitely following the game. I miss my Gameday crutch, though, and more important, I will not be able to contribute much. For example, I feel that Jeter strike out was my fault. So yous will have to concentrate extra hard on this game, to make sure we get the win.
2007-08-11 16:44:40
25.   3rd gen yankee fan
24 But I gotta go clean the bathroom. :-(
2007-08-11 16:45:48
26.   Chyll Will
24 Bobby made them pay for it!
2007-08-11 16:45:50
27.   bobtaco
Goodnight Fraiser.
2007-08-11 16:48:40
28.   3rd gen yankee fan
WOO HOO!!! Bye bye.
2007-08-11 16:48:58
29.   OldYanksFan
2007-08-11 16:49:31
30.   Chyll Will
HA!! 502, baybee!! Ze game, she is o-vehr... it is time to seperate ze men from ze rah-beets!! (blam-blam-blam!!)
2007-08-11 16:50:01
31.   OldYanksFan
Almost Farnsproof...
2007-08-11 16:50:11
32.   tommyl
Wow, A-Rod might be the only player that can take a short swing with two strikes and still hit the ball over 400 feet. I mean, wow.
2007-08-11 16:50:59
33.   RIYank
Wow. Not many of you, but you guys are seriously concentrating.

Awesome. I'm looking for seven runs every game, to make 1000 with a little margin this year. But it would be nice to get a bunch in the bank, for when we have to face the great Josh Beckett, for example.

2007-08-11 16:51:19
34.   Chyll Will
29 Do that Yosemite Sam thing >;)
2007-08-11 16:51:24
35.   3rd gen yankee fan
Beer, baseball, & burritos = yum.
2007-08-11 16:52:05
36.   OldYanksFan
That shot by ARod... the CFer was playing very deep, and he still did not have time to get back to the wall before the ball was over it. Amazing. The announcer thought it was a fly out. ARod's shots just keep going and going and going...
2007-08-11 16:53:02
37.   joe in boston
Wow, Arod hit that a friggin' mile. What a year he's having (stating the obvious)
2007-08-11 16:53:29
38.   Chyll Will
I felt that breeze all the way over here!
2007-08-11 16:55:06
39.   Chyll Will
Melky's got to take command, or be more assertive (or one of them needs a hearing aid...)
2007-08-11 16:55:12
40.   OldYanksFan
Crap. Seattle up 3-0 already. I like these announcers. They talk more about the Yankees then their own players. They seem in awe of our team.
2007-08-11 16:56:10
41.   Chyll Will
Did Trot Nixon's gotee spoil on his chin?
2007-08-11 16:57:29
42.   nyy jim
Good inning for Moose.
2007-08-11 16:57:37
43.   Chyll Will
Anyone think Moose goes past six tonight?
2007-08-11 16:57:43
44.   3rd gen yankee fan
39 Sterling sez Melky was calling for it.
2007-08-11 16:58:25
45.   3rd gen yankee fan
43 I'm shocked he didn't get bored during the last half and lose focus.
2007-08-11 17:00:58
46.   Chyll Will
45 The future is at hand. He may well be pitching for his spot right now, believe it or not.

44 Then he needs to carry a bigger stick >;)

2007-08-11 17:03:27
47.   OldYanksFan
How bad are the Giants? There weren't sure if they wanted to sign Bonds, he of 1.088 OPS. Their NEXT best player's OPS is more then 300 pts lower then Bond's.

I don't know what he took or what he's still taking... but he's 40 friggin 3 and leading MLB in OPS. Amazing.

2007-08-11 17:03:28
48.   3rd gen yankee fan
46 I believe it. I've seen it all year. Moose is in decline. It's okay, everyone's time passes.

Agreed on the stick. ;-)

2007-08-11 17:07:12
49.   Chyll Will
47 It is worth mentioning that they threw their backs out on Zito and Bonds, so there wasn't much left after that (their free-spending has limits, apparently)...
2007-08-11 17:09:40
50.   OldYanksFan
48 Well... Moose is 38.5 yrs old. But his numbers are very similar to 2004 and 2005, so it's not like he's dropping off a cliff. And like last year, he might still have something to surprise us with.
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2007-08-11 17:11:47
51.   Mattpat11
Just tuned in. How has Moose looked so far?
2007-08-11 17:13:25
52.   monkeypants
49 Barry Zito...I forgot about him. Remember when some people on these threads were calling for Cashman's head for not going after Zito in the offseason? Look at his numbers now, even in the pitcher-friendly park in SF...
2007-08-11 17:14:58
53.   Chyll Will
51 He brought his command and focus with him to the park, but we'll see how long they stay...
2007-08-11 17:16:21
54.   Mattpat11
52 I was so happy when I saw Cashman avoid alot of the traps in the off season (Zito, Meche, Lilly, Marquis)

Which is what made the Igawa debacle all the more confusing.

2007-08-11 17:18:45
55.   OldYanksFan
49 It is also worth mentioning that Bonds, who leads ARod in OPS by 50 pts, is being paid $15.5m. Aside from pre-arb players, he is about the best bang-for-the-buck in MLB. Wow... he just might be on the A's next year.

San Franscisco is not a poor area. Their payroll is similar to LAs, Mutts, Cubbies and Atlanta. I think they just have a terrible FO.

2007-08-11 17:20:32
56.   Mattpat11
53 How's the fastball?
2007-08-11 17:20:33
57.   OldYanksFan
Looks like Bobbie wants to wear Pinstripes next year.
2007-08-11 17:21:21
58.   RIYank
Odds that Farnsworth pitches today?

I say 3:1 that he does.

2007-08-11 17:22:17
59.   Gagne55
55 But he doesn't play every day and often leaves games in the 6th or 7th inning. He sure can hit, though.
2007-08-11 17:26:49
60.   Mattpat11
58 Ugh.

I have to admit. I really, really like Mike Mussina. He may be one of my favorite Yankees. I want nothing more for him to be recognized as the HOF pitcher he is, and to get that, he's going to have to rack up wins. I may not be as confident in him this year as I have been in years past, but I we owe him some wins and would like to see him get them.

Farnsworth is a deterrent to that.

2007-08-11 17:27:04
61.   Chyll Will
56 He's been going mostly with his curve, but painting corners every now and then.

55 No arguing with that. They're what the Yanks would be if Tampa had their way, honestly...

57 Not even in sentiment. He's said time and time again, "if they Yankees wanted me, they would have got me a long time ago." They're all waiting on the grand jury, I bet...

2007-08-11 17:30:18
62.   Mattpat11
Andy Phillips looked sixty years old there. He was sort of masked by shadows and looking down and he looked like Jon Voight
2007-08-11 17:31:29
63.   Mattpat11
I despise Trot.
2007-08-11 17:33:49
64.   Chyll Will
63 Then I'll ask you, 41 ?
2007-08-11 17:36:01
65.   Chyll Will
That Miller beer commercial... is Big Papi getting a jump on life after Boston?
2007-08-11 17:37:17
66.   OldYanksFan
61 Bobbie Abreu. Bobbie ABREU
2007-08-11 17:40:38
67.   Chyll Will
66 Eh? He's been painting the corners too...
2007-08-11 17:43:48
68.   monkeypants
Go A's!
2007-08-11 17:45:05
69.   RIYank
Nice. Maybe Moose can pitch the seventh! Then Farns can close.
2007-08-11 17:45:26
70.   OldYanksFan
67 "if they Yankees wanted me, they would have got me a long time ago." They're all waiting on the grand jury, I bet"

Too much time in the southern sun?

2007-08-11 17:46:55
71.   Chyll Will
43 (wait for it...)
2007-08-11 17:49:02
72.   Chyll Will
70 ? I don't get it...
2007-08-11 17:50:15
73.   Raf
Eh, when the Indians stop trying to score runs, the Yanks'll stop trying to add on.
2007-08-11 17:50:55
74.   bobtaco
Jeter is getting hot again
2007-08-11 17:52:46
75.   Mattpat11
69 And set up a save for Mo.
2007-08-11 17:53:41
76.   Chyll Will
74 Yep, that was a hot ground out >;)
2007-08-11 17:54:26
77.   Mattpat11
I'll admit I was awfully young when Mattingly was in his prime. Did he bunt alot?
2007-08-11 17:54:51
78.   Mattpat11
76 What?
2007-08-11 17:55:20
79.   Mattpat11
77 After all, he was the slowest human being I've ever seen
2007-08-11 17:55:22
80.   Matty B
Think O'Neill could say "time and time again" anymore in this broadcast?
2007-08-11 17:55:48
81.   Chyll Will
73 Kay just said it, too. I guess when he says it, it's immediately followed by a loud "D'uh!"
2007-08-11 17:56:06
82.   Raf
77 I remember very few Mattingly bunt attempts. He probably has more stolen base attempts than bunt attempts.
2007-08-11 17:57:37
83.   OldYanksFan
In comment 61 you referenced 57 "He's said time and time again..." Who's he?
2007-08-11 17:58:04
84.   Mattpat11
82 So this is like when they had Cano teaching the kiddies how to steal bases?
2007-08-11 17:59:10
85.   RIYank
Moose is dealin'. No doubt about his starting the seventh, anyway.
2007-08-11 17:59:47
86.   monkeypants
Whoa--Moose has got the big hook working tonight.
2007-08-11 18:00:18
87.   Mattpat11
67 through six for Mussina.
2007-08-11 18:01:19
88.   monkeypants
87 With some efficiency, maybe Moose can finish eight, and with a few more runs the ninth would be Farnsworthy.
2007-08-11 18:02:42
89.   Chyll Will
83 Oh, let me check my notes... Bonds, sorry. I thought you meant Bonds because of the subject we were discussing before, and now I realized two things: I mixed Barry and Bobby Bonds, and I'm very hungry, but didn't want to leave the scintillating banter.

I could lose a lot of weight here if it didn't make me more screwy than I already am (I have no problem admitting that >;) Sorry for the mix-up.

76 Spot sarcasm, nothing important >;)

2007-08-11 18:03:03
90.   Mattpat11
88 Bring Worthless into the ninth to set up the save.
2007-08-11 18:06:39
91.   OldYanksFan
Please wear a hat and drink plenty of fluids. That southern sun is brutal!
2007-08-11 18:06:43
92.   monkeypants
Is it my imagination, or is Cano walking a good bit more the last few weeks?
2007-08-11 18:07:46
93.   OldYanksFan
Melky with a bellyflop into 1st base :-)
2007-08-11 18:10:12
94.   sabernar
Jose Molina tonight: 3-for-4; 8 pitches; 8 strikes; swung at 6 of the pitches
2007-08-11 18:10:24
95.   Mattpat11
92 Cano has 13 walks (and two IBB, 2 HBP)in 29 games in the second half. He had 15, 1 and 5 in the first half over 84 games.
2007-08-11 18:10:30
96.   Chyll Will
Lofton was probably right about Torre thinking he sucks... yunnow... because he sucks...
2007-08-11 18:11:08
97.   Mattpat11
Come on Moose.
2007-08-11 18:11:33
98.   Mattpat11
96 Kenny Lofton could have won the 2004 ALCS for us.
2007-08-11 18:12:12
99.   OldYanksFan
89 By the way... BOBBY Bonds DID wear pinstripes... in the most heartbreaking trade in post WWII Yankee history. However we would never get BARRY as you are only allowed one steroid pumped DH per team.
2007-08-11 18:13:12
100.   Chyll Will
91 I need a good burger or two, that's all...

92 You are correct, sir. He and Melky were talking it over, it's been said.

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2007-08-11 18:13:31
101.   RIYank
89 Hmmmm....
Very suspicious.
2007-08-11 18:14:19
102.   Mattpat11
Traht looked silly on that change.
2007-08-11 18:15:25
103.   Mattpat11
Either 74 or 76 pitches through 7 for Mussina.

YES and Sportsline can't seem to agree.

2007-08-11 18:15:44
104.   RIYank
Moose for the eighth for sure! Maybe a CG! When was his last CG?
2007-08-11 18:17:08
105.   Mattpat11
104 May 31 2006 in Detroit
2007-08-11 18:17:46
106.   Chyll Will
99 Wow, even I knew that >;)

98 You're probably right about that under one or two circumstance, but most of the team spit the bit at the worst time, so we'll never know...

2007-08-11 18:20:17
107.   Mattpat11
106 If they would have sent him in to run for Sheffield when Wake was throwing the ball all over New England, I think we would have won. If they would have used him, Jeter and maybe someone else to bunt early and often on fat ass gimpy Schilling in Game six, we may have won that.
2007-08-11 18:20:29
108.   Chyll Will
101 If you don't believe me, ask Larry Jones >;)
2007-08-11 18:21:26
109.   bobtaco
76 Another hit for the Cap'n
2007-08-11 18:22:37
110.   Mattpat11
2007-08-11 18:23:34
111.   RIYank
105 More recently than I thought.

Speaking of May 31st...

Red Sox' record since that day this year: 33-31.

2007-08-11 18:23:42
112.   Mattpat11
I'm going to the game on Thursday. Is that supposed to be a hughes game?
2007-08-11 18:24:24
113.   Mattpat11
2007-08-11 18:25:52
114.   bobtaco
This team is looking really good right now.
2007-08-11 18:26:12
115.   Chyll Will
107 See? You are right under certain circumstances >;) No, I agree, but it's water under the bridge. I was just hyperbolizing Lofton's lollipop arm, not that we don't have one of those now.

A-Rod, A-Rod, A-Rod... what else can you say?

2007-08-11 18:26:44
116.   OldYanksFan
Unclutch prick.
Whew! I was getting a little worried about these scoring in the single digits games.
2007-08-11 18:30:20
117.   RIYank

I miss Hideki.

2007-08-11 18:31:28
118.   Mattpat11
Starting to hit the ball a little harder.
2007-08-11 18:31:33
119.   monkeypants
Whew-eee. That Damon saves five, ten runs a game in LF.
2007-08-11 18:32:07
120.   Chyll Will
110 Chipper says that all players who approach the HR Record will be under suspicion... I figure that since he's apparently a charter member of the Skeptics Society, he could cast doubts on RI's suspicions >;)

(I said I'm very hungry, okay? You guys have to start crunching mucho stats again if you want me to go eat, hint-hint)

2007-08-11 18:32:34
121.   OldYanksFan
117 Let's give JD a little time to adjust. He is still faster and a much better fielder then Hideki.
2007-08-11 18:33:14
122.   Mattpat11
Strike two was in the same spot as ball one.
2007-08-11 18:34:09
123.   Mattpat11
Damn. Not sure I'd call that pitch, but it worked.
2007-08-11 18:34:18
124.   monkeypants
121 I don't know--using your argument, my eyes don't deceive me...

; )

2007-08-11 18:35:23
125.   Mattpat11
2007-08-11 18:37:25
126.   Chyll Will
116 After this game, they have a pre-season matchup with the Browns. Yanks and the over by a touchdown...
2007-08-11 18:37:50
127.   yankz
Hey, maybe we do belong.

Vizcaino in an 8-run game, when Farns is available? Let me guess, he needs work.

2007-08-11 18:38:20
128.   RIYank
We want Farns!
We want Farns!
We want Farns!

120 Yeah, but that's exactly what you would say...

2007-08-11 18:38:33
129.   OldYanksFan
He should have had that. But his misplays are his not being able to judge these shots correctly. That has a lot to do with not being familar with LF. But Mats is afraid of the wall and afraid to dive, which JD is not. I like Mats, I just think given some more time, JD is a much better fielder. And while he had misjudged some balls, he has already made a number of plays that Mats doesn't make.

Other opinions?

2007-08-11 18:39:08
130.   monkeypants
Vizcaino, huh? Old Mordechai still can't quite figure out how to use a BP.
2007-08-11 18:39:47
131.   Mattpat11
That was sad and embarrassing.
2007-08-11 18:40:50
132.   Chyll Will
Surprise, another blown call by the umps...
2007-08-11 18:41:01
133.   Mattpat11
Vizcaino also hasn't pitched since Monday.
2007-08-11 18:41:21
134.   OldYanksFan
He may have been out twice on that play.
2007-08-11 18:42:18
135.   Mattpat11
134 I still want to know how the hell that play happened.
2007-08-11 18:42:40
136.   OldYanksFan
Seattle looks like a winner, and probably Detroit. I guess we will have to do it head-2-head.
2007-08-11 18:43:07
137.   RIYank
129 I have no idea whether he will eventually adjust. He is right now a very bad left fielder, I feel confident. I feel much more secure when Hideki is out there.

Mean while, we are now making Viz. unavailable tomorrow, and we know about the Joba rules. So Farns for sure tomorrow! Yeah!

2007-08-11 18:43:15
138.   Schteeve
I don't buy this baloney that Matsui is afraid to dive. He's a little cautious around the wall, but I've seen him execute the same dive at least three times since he broke his wrist doing it.
2007-08-11 18:43:27
139.   OldYanksFan
Nasty pitch from the Vizard!
2007-08-11 18:44:37
140.   Mattpat11
137 I'd rather see Villone.
2007-08-11 18:45:10
141.   Mattpat11
We can get the "inside dish" from Eric Duncan.

Has he started hitting yet?

2007-08-11 18:45:22
142.   OldYanksFan
138 He will occasionally slide on his ass, but he doesn't like to leave his feet. You think that Mats is a better LFer then Damon (will be)?
2007-08-11 18:45:48
143.   Chyll Will
A-Rod took his time and loped the ball over and pulled Phillips off the bag, yet he had his foot back on two steps before the runner. McClelland caught that weird anti-Yanks disease going around and blew the call by a mile. No excuses for that bad call.
2007-08-11 18:46:04
144.   Mattpat11
Mussina is smiling?
2007-08-11 18:46:04
145.   monkeypants
129 Well, Zone Rating is based on the 'opinion' of three neutral observers at every game (if I recall correctly). According to them:

Matsui 2007: .840 ZR
Damon 2007: .815 ZR (admittedly very small sample size)

Make what you will of their opinions. Oh yeah, Matsui has a better arm.

2007-08-11 18:46:13
146.   Raf
129 He played plenty of LF while with the Royals @ A's
2007-08-11 18:47:52
147.   Raf
make that royals and a's...
2007-08-11 18:48:19
148.   bobtaco
Gee Bomb Bee
2007-08-11 18:48:25
149.   nyy jim
Giambino has arrived.
2007-08-11 18:48:31
150.   monkeypants
Hmmm...Giambi looks like he's back. Less PT for Damon?
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2007-08-11 18:48:34
151.   3rd gen yankee fan
The Giambino is back!
2007-08-11 18:48:37
152.   Raf
Shelly's a funny man
2007-08-11 18:48:47
153.   Eirias
Wow, every Yankee has scored a run other than Melky Cabrera.
2007-08-11 18:49:34
154.   OldYanksFan
145 What was JDs ZR in CF? And comparing an average of the last 3 years, might be better then just 2007. And should JDs ZR in CF translate to LF when he is accustomed to the position?

Jason's back! (how un-weeping-like)

2007-08-11 18:49:36
155.   RIYank
Who the hell was that big guy? He hits far.
2007-08-11 18:52:25
156.   OldYanksFan
Is anyone else digging how enamored the Indian announcers are with our team?
2007-08-11 18:52:51
157.   sabernar
Molina tonight: 5 AB, 9 pitches
2007-08-11 18:53:57
158.   Mattpat11
157 If he's going to get four hits out of it, i'm fine.
2007-08-11 18:55:06
159.   OldYanksFan
Our pitching is only slightly better then average (although Philthy and Hutty could change that) but our offense is just stunning. I want to see ARod at bat with Giambi on deck. He will see better pitches.
2007-08-11 18:55:07
160.   sabernar
158 True, but that's an incredibly small number of pitches for 5 AB.
2007-08-11 18:56:57
161.   Mattpat11
I HATE Trot.
2007-08-11 18:58:21
162.   monkeypants
So, apparently this situation is not Farnsworthy enough for Mordechai, huh?
2007-08-11 18:58:43
163.   3rd gen yankee fan
161 He IS a PITA.
2007-08-11 18:59:27
164.   OldYanksFan
Ouch... that lady got a full frontal face shot of FrankenShelly. Sweet dreams tonight.
2007-08-11 19:01:25
165.   Mattpat11
162 Maybe he'll never use him again. That would be nice.
2007-08-11 19:01:58
166.   RIYank
Great game. Not exciting, but satisfying.

So now will everyone say, "Yeah, but Cleveland is obviously in a nose-dive. Wait till they play good teams."?

Oh, also, I guess Vizcaino is available tomorrow after all. So a good performance by Andy would mean the late innings could be pretty safe.

2007-08-11 19:05:42
167.   monkeypants
166 Of course EDLV is available tomorrow, you silly.
2007-08-11 19:05:45
168.   OldYanksFan
I would think Mo can go tomorrow. Todays bench: Giambi, Duncan, Posada, Betemit. Not too shabby JIM DEAN!
2007-08-11 19:06:40
169.   OldYanksFan
And the Yankees now have the best record in New York. Sorry Willie.
2007-08-11 19:08:52
170.   RIYank
168 Of course Mo can go. But I was wondering how to get there, so to speak.

167 No Vizcount Rules?

2007-08-11 19:11:14
171.   monkeypants


Rule #1: Modechai will use Viz in any situation, as often as possible.

Rule #2: There is no rule #2.

2007-08-11 19:28:03
172.   Mattpat11
YES is showing the most hilarious picture of Mike Mussina giving us a stern look in front of the fakest, grade school picture day Yankee Stadium background.
2007-08-11 19:39:49
173.   rbs10025
EDLV? Pete Abe just pointed out that Viz hadn't pitched since Monday.
2007-08-11 19:48:29
174.   monkeypants
173 Fair enough, except that Thursday was an off day. So he hadn't pitched in a whopping three games. And instead of using him (and/or Mo) in a blowout the day before an off day (Wednesday), he gets used ina low leverage situation in teh middle of a series. Now, what if tomorrow presents a high leverage situation?

Look, sometimes you have to use a reliver to keep him fresh, no doubt. But there is also no doubt that Mordechai's strength does not lie in managing a BP.

2007-08-11 19:57:09
175.   Mattpat11
I think it's ridiculous to dismiss the off day. Its not a matter of games he pitches in. Relief pitchers tend to pitch poorly when they've been off for a week. Asking Vizcaino to be sharp in a high leverage situation when he hadn't pitched for six calendar days is looking for disaster.

But you did get to use your clever nickname, so props to you.

2007-08-11 20:05:07
176.   monkeypants
175 You're ecaxtly right. My point point is that there have been chances to usevaluable relievers to keep them fresh, like the Wednesday blowout. If Mo and/or Viz have not been used in a couple of days, then they should just about always be used in games before off days, to keep them fresh. Sabe the first games of series for Villone and Farnsworth, at least if they are blowouts. Then manage the other games accordingly. Such staff management is not Torre's strength--I'm not saying anything radical here.

Of course, the real root of the problem is the silly 13 man staff, which makes it very difficult to find adequate work for everyone in the pen, without overworking the valuable members.

2007-08-11 21:40:14
177.   OldYanksFan
Brain Buster: What do these 12 Yankees have in common?

-Jorge Posada
-Robinson Cano
-Shelley Duncan
-Derek Jeter
-Andy Phillips
-Melky Cabrera
-Joba Chamberlain
-Phil Hughes
-Jeff Karstens
-Andy Pettitte
-Mariano Rivera
-Chien-Ming Wang

Hint: In 2000, we only had 6.

The answer is pretty amazing, no?

2007-08-11 22:35:16
178.   Yu-Hsing Chen
177 we probably had even fewer between 2001-2004 unless my memory falters.

Though Andy Phillips and to a lesser extend Jeff Karsten /Shelley Duncans arent exactly awsome prospects. (the former being an organizational bench guy at best, the other 2 being iffy 5th starter / decent reliever and a power bench bat)

Still though, does anyone not realize how ridiculas Cano's career start is? he's on a HOF pace and then some, he's career start completely owns Kent / Biggio / Utley . and at least 2 out of those 3 will be a HOFer.

2007-08-11 23:03:05
179.   nemecizer
168 My highly trained Jedi instincts suggest there is a dissatisfaction in the Banter force regarding certain posters.

The Force is with the Yankees, OldYanksFan, no matter what certain malcontents might say!

We are going to take the whole fucking thing the way we are playing. Here's a drink to regression to the pythagorean mean.

2007-08-12 00:50:16
180.   rbs10025
174 To be fair, I did wonder why Farnsworth wasn't thrown out there Saturday.

177 You're day late. One of the beat writers made this point on his blog on Friday. Personally, I do think that counting Pettite toward the total is a bit of a cheat, since his present incarnation is as a free agent signing.

178 Bidge spent the first several years of his career as a catcher, so that comparison is a little weak. That he played three positions, played two of them well and made it to the All Star game in two different positions -- along with the 3000 hits of course -- helps provides enough distinction for him to make it into the HOF. BTW: I'm not knocking him. I am a long-time Astros fan, so plan to attend the HOF ceremony when Bidge goes in, and hopefully Bagwell too.

2007-08-12 06:25:44
181.   OldYanksFan
I may be wrong but it seems like our team when from old, slow and inflexible to young, energetic and flexible. It's hard for me to believe that the team I see now is the same team I saw last September.

Can this be by accident? Or is Cashman a lot friggin' smarter then we ever give him credit for?

And all this is without a big name trade in 2 years. And even with the kids we have up, there is still a healthy farm waiting.

We have always had some big name vets and sluggers, but this is the best shape IMHO that the organization has been in in a long time. A dynasty awaits....

2007-08-12 06:41:30
182.   monkeypants
181 Last September or this April and May! Man, those early months seem like whole different season (and whole different team).
2007-08-12 09:00:07
183.   OldYanksFan
My name is OldYanks Fan...
and I...
(ducks head to dodge flying objects)

This guy has taken a lot of sh*t here.
Can I solicit some Judos?
Are we nothing if not fair minded here?
Is the topic of our future and direction worthy of debate?

2007-08-12 12:36:30
184.   rconn23
Martinez up. Two on. I can't look.

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