Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
The Chicago White Sox
2007-07-31 12:06
by Cliff Corcoran
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The Yankees are 4-3 against the White Sox thus far this season and most recently took three of four from the Chisox in Chicago in early June. This week's three-game series marks the Sox's only visit to the Bronx on the season. Since the Yanks were last in Chicago, the Sox have gone 22-27 (.449), which is a pretty close match for their overall winning percentage of .457. That's just what this team is. The Sox have won three of their last four series, losing to Boston, but beating the Indians, Tigers, and Blue Jays, still, they're a mere 8-7 over that stretch. One thing that has changed is that the Sox are finally scoring some runs, scoring 5.21 runs per game in July after scoring just 3.90 per game over the first three months of the season. Of course, they've started allowing runs too, giving up 6.11 per game in July after allowing 4.68 per game through the end of June.

And so it goes for the White Sox, who have tossed in the towel by flipping free-agent-to-be Tad Iguchi to Philadelphia where he'll fill the second base hole vacated by Chase Utley's broken hand. Twenty-four-year-old lefty Danny Richar, whom the Chisox picked up from the Diamondbacks in a swap of minor leaguers back in mid-June, and veteran backup Alex Cintron will look to fill that hole for the Pale Hose now. The Sox were unable to deal fellow pending free agent Jermaine Dye, however, or tonight's starter Jose Contreras.

No surprise about Contreras, who has been awful since the end of May. After posting a 3.71 ERA in his first nine starts, six of which were quality starts, Contreras has posted a 8.27 ERA and a 1-9 record over his last 11, only three of which have been quality starts. Limit it to his last eight starts and that ERA swells to 9.32, and 11.05 over his last five (all loses). Things have just taken a nose dive from there. Here's Contreras's line in his last two starts combined:

12 IP, 22 H, 19 R, 6 BB, 5 K, 3 HR

El Titan de Bronze has actuall pitched fairly well against his former team in two starts this year (14 IP, 9 H, 7 R, 5 ER, 4 BB, 11 K, O HR) despite losing both, but one assumes some correction will occur to that line tonight.

Mike Mussina's two starts against the White Sox have been more of a mixed bag, but in his last he locked horns with Contreras and hurled six innings, allowing just one run on four hits, no walks, and no homers. Chances are Moose, who will looking for his first quality start in three tries, won't be quite that sharp tonight, but it shouldn't take much to outpitch Contreras.

Note: I'll update this post with news of the roster changes resulting from the Betemit deal when I have them. Peter Abraham reports that Phil Hughes is in the Bronx and will pitch on Saturday, but he doesn't say that Hughes has been activated yet. The Yanks could just let Betemit replace Proctor and let Hughes replace Chris Basak on Saturday, but I'd imagine they'll farm out Basak for a stop-gap reliever before game time.

Update: No moves today. Proctor is gone, but Betemit isn't here yet and the Yanks will play a man short for tonight as a result.

Chicago White Sox

2007 Record: 48-57 (.457)
2007 Pythagorean Record: 43-62 (.414)

Manager: Ozzie Guillen
General Manager: Kenny Williams

Home Ballpark (2007 Park Factors): U.S. Cellular Field (103/102)

Who's Replacing Whom?

Danny Richar replaces Tad Iguchi
Josh Fields (minors) replaces Joe Crede (DL)
Scott Podsednik (DL) replaces Rob Mackowiak
Darin Erstad (DL) replaces Luis Terrero (DL)
Charles Haeger replaces Nick Masset (minors)
Gavin Floyd replaces Dewon Day (minors)
Ehren Wassermann replaces Bret Prinz

25-man Roster:

1B – Paul Konerko (R)
2B – Danny Richar (L)
SS – Juan Uribe (R)
3B – Josh Fields (R)
C – A.J. Pierzynski (R)
RF – Jermaine Dye (R)
CF – Jerry Owens (L)
LF – Scott Podsednik (L)
DH – Jim Thome (L)


S – Alex Cintron (IF)
L - Darin Erstad (CF)
R – Andy Gonzalez (IF)
R – Toby Hall (C)


L – Mark Buehrle
R – Javier Vazquez
R – Jose Contreras
L – John Danks
R – John Garland


R – Bobby Jenks
L – Matt Thornton
L – Boone Logan
R - Ryan Bukvich
R - Charles Haeger
R - Ehren Wassermann
R - Gavin Floyd

15-day DL: R – Luis Terrero (OF), R - Mike MacDougal
60-day DL: R - Joe Crede (3B), R - Pablo Ozuna (UT)

Typical Lineup:

L – Jerry Owens (CF)
R - Josh Fields (3B)
L - Jim Thome (DH)
R – Paul Konerko (1B)
L – A.J. Pierzynski (C)
R – Jermaine Dye (RF)
L – Scott Podsednik (LF)
R – Juan Uribe (SS)
L - Danny Richar (2B)

Comments (288)
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2007-07-31 15:18:45
1.   OldYanksFan
How about a BB pool on what game and AB ARod hits #500. I am soooooooooo looking forward to it.
2007-07-31 15:25:41
2.   cult of basebaal
How about this for equivocating ... IF Bonds hits 755 or IF Glavine wins his 300th tonite, THEN A-Rod will hit his 500th too ... or the other way around, if you prefer ... i call 2 of those 3 things happening 2nite!
2007-07-31 15:59:02
3.   Javi Javi
1 I'm in for tonight, off of a fat Contreras splitter that doesn't dip.
2007-07-31 16:03:28
4.   mehmattski
I think A-Rod just waited until after the Orioles series so that I could watch his 500th homer. However, I can't blame Angelos, it's actually Time Warner Cable who won't add a sports station. Oh well.

FWIW, the only White Sox pitchers off whom A-Rod has homered are John Garland (2) and Ryan Buckvich (1).

2007-07-31 16:09:31
5.   RIYank
I wanted tonight. Can I split it with J-J?
2007-07-31 16:12:19
6.   RIYank
Yeah, I think Damon has seen his last glimpse of CF.
2007-07-31 16:13:16
7.   RIYank
Also, no way Gagne would have made that catch.
2007-07-31 16:15:07
8.   RIYank

So, will an inning like that inspire Moose to have a good game? I'll say yes. (Banking on the cruddy CWS line-up.)

2007-07-31 16:15:23
9.   pistolpete
Did I miss the reason why A-Rod's at short?

Oh, was that just for the Thome shift? LOL, my bad... I thought Derek was hurt.

2007-07-31 16:15:50
10.   pistolpete
9 I JUST turned it on as they were showing Alex at SS, fwiw.
2007-07-31 16:16:20
11.   BklynBmr
7 Nice...
2007-07-31 16:16:38
12.   RIYank
9 10 Hee hee.
2007-07-31 16:16:55
13.   OldYanksFan
From Lohud:
Brian Cashman said emphatically that Joba Chamberlain will be a starter come 2008. He is close to his innings cap this season, so using him as a reliever makes sense in that regard.

A Little rest for Jetes?

2007-07-31 16:17:02
14.   BklynBmr
10 Me, too. The Thome shift, I was guessing...
2007-07-31 16:21:22
15.   RIYank
Guillen is fun. He's an idiot, but he's a fun idiot.
2007-07-31 16:21:31
16.   Zack
Wow, that was a quick ejection
2007-07-31 16:22:08
17.   Marcus
Why did he get ejected? (Not watching right now)
2007-07-31 16:23:01
18.   Zack
Ok Ozzie, get off the field already
2007-07-31 16:23:11
19.   Mike T
Way to go Ozzie! Earliest ejection I've ever seen.
2007-07-31 16:23:24
20.   Zack
Being his normal idiot self and yelling about balls and strikes from the dugout
2007-07-31 16:24:06
21.   Mike T
15 So true.
2007-07-31 16:25:24
22.   OldYanksFan
9 ME TOO! I was still trying to figure it out until I read your post. Funny....
2007-07-31 16:26:04
23.   RIYank
Bobby unclogs the base paths!

Now Alex has nobody to knock in.

2007-07-31 16:26:32
24.   Zack
Bobby Abreu beat a-Rod to it!
2007-07-31 16:28:21
25.   Zack
Oooh, that was his pitch
2007-07-31 16:29:23
26.   RIYank
Crowd got fooled on that one. Some of them. Wishful thinking.
2007-07-31 16:30:56
27.   RIYank
Oh, now Alex feels silly.
2007-07-31 16:31:58
28.   cult of basebaal
Dammit A-Rod, you're being shown up! Now man up and crank one next AB!
2007-07-31 16:33:01
29.   RIYank
So, is Ozzie text messaging right now? "PLS PUL JOSE NOW LOL"
2007-07-31 16:33:29
30.   BklynBmr
This would be a nice inning if it wasn't for the third baseman...
2007-07-31 16:33:48
31.   Marcus
29 Hahaha, nice.
2007-07-31 16:33:58
32.   vockins
White Sox bullpen? YES, PLEASE.
2007-07-31 16:34:27
33.   RIYank
I hope Robbie just makes an out. I don't want Contreras yanked before A-Rod gets a few more cuts.
2007-07-31 16:35:04
34.   OldYanksFan
This is fun!
2007-07-31 16:35:21
35.   cult of basebaal
33 with moose going tonite, i'll take all the runs i can get and more ...
2007-07-31 16:35:24
36.   RIYank
30 Betemit?
32 But not better for us than leaving in Contreras!
2007-07-31 16:37:30
37.   OldYanksFan
All and all, a pretty quite Trade day.
Next week or so: Hughes, Giambi and Joba. Looking good.
2007-07-31 16:37:49
38.   cult of basebaal
33 see what you've gone and done???
2007-07-31 16:37:53
39.   BklynBmr
32 We can wreck 'em for the rest of series...

36 He's late and should be fined. That swap was discussed for a month. I don't like this guy already...

2007-07-31 16:37:55
40.   RIYank
Hm. In the first inning, our infield slugged .250. Our catcher slugged 2.000, our DH, 1.000, and our outfield, 4.000.
2007-07-31 16:42:01
41.   cult of basebaal
joe sheehan over at BP isn't very happy with Cashman ...

David (San Francisco, CA): Who's the biggest loser for NOT making a move? Yankees? Angels?

Trade Deadline Team: Nationals. For the second year in a row, Jim Bowden let trade value go uncashed. The Nationals just don't have enough talent in house to do that.

I'm probably going to lead with this in PT, but I'll throw a nod the Yankees' way as well. I just keep coming back to this notion: if Kason Gabbard, David Murphy and Elgin Beltre yielded Eric Gagne, why isn't Eric Gagne a Yankee?

Joe (Washington, DC): Well, Brian Cashman claims that the Rangers insisted on Ian Kennedy or Melky Cabrera. If that's true, then isn't it wise that he didn't make the move for Gagne?

Trade Deadline Team: Ian Kennedy is exactly the kind of guy you move at the deadline. Lower-upside, your fourth-, fifth- or sixth-best prospect, someone who is unlikely to go Jeff Bagwell on you.

Cabrera is more or less the same guy, with the caveat that the Yankees need him right now, as he's their only CF.

You have to mentally divide the guys you don't trade from the guys you do. Kennedy is in the latter category, and if not dealing him was the stumbling block, Cashman made a mistake.

2007-07-31 16:43:07
42.   OldYanksFan
Contreras for Farnsworth straight up?
Everyone saves a fortune in travel expenses.
2007-07-31 16:45:29
43.   mehmattski
42 Er, did you see the frisbees he was throwing in the first inning? I want no part in Contreras.
2007-07-31 16:45:39
44.   RIYank
Our corner infielders have played well, even though they can't 40 hit.
2007-07-31 16:46:36
45.   OldYanksFan
Clippard can thank Joba for still being a Yankee.
2007-07-31 16:46:58
46.   Vandelay Industries

He's spot on. And if they don't get Joba et al. up to help in the bullpen, Mo is going to a lot more than simply "explore" the free agent market, count on it.

2007-07-31 16:48:19
47.   OldYanksFan
Moose looks OK tonight. He ball has a lot of movement.
2007-07-31 16:48:25
48.   RIYank
I despise Podsednik.
2007-07-31 16:50:24
49.   RIYank
Two months of Eric Gagne for Ian Kennedy? That would have been a terrible trade. As someone pointed out in the previous thread, Gagne adds maybe two wins if you have him for two months. It would be different if he were under contract for three years, or if he weren't intent on testing free agency.
2007-07-31 16:51:37
50.   RIYank
Ugh. Uribe sucks.
I guess Moose doesn't have a lot of movement after all.
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2007-07-31 16:51:49
51.   Vandelay Industries
Yankee fans, please meet Mike Mussina.
2007-07-31 16:52:04
52.   Yankees Brasil
Brian Roberts 2 for 2, 2B, HR and 2RBI's againts the Sox.. I love that guy now!
2007-07-31 16:52:25
53.   Alex Belth
Moose is awful.
2007-07-31 16:53:23
54.   RIYank
51 Thanks, we've met.
2007-07-31 16:53:49
55.   cult of basebaal
and Melky for Gagne is even worse ...
2007-07-31 16:54:11
56.   tommyl
47 Yup, sure is moving, just out of the ballpark.
2007-07-31 16:55:05
57.   cult of basebaal
33 if this game goes in the crapper, i'll be right cross with you!


2007-07-31 16:55:21
58.   ny2ca2dc
41 I think Sheehan is overreacting. Also, Kennedy has to be thought of as Moose/Pettitte insurance - they're no lock for effectiveness next year, nor are the younger guys for that matter. If the asking price was, say, Horne & Garnder, then go for it, but keeping Ian Kennedy, while arguable, is defensible.

Blows that the BoSox got him though.

2007-07-31 16:56:18
59.   OldYanksFan
I just stepped out a minute.
Did Uribe (10 for 66) hit a HR against Moose?
Please... break it to me gently.
2007-07-31 16:56:37
60.   Hocakes
Good old Moose, keeps it interesting.
2007-07-31 16:56:53
61.   cult of basebaal
53 which is another reason i don't give up kennedy for gagne ... quite frankly, i can easily forsee needing 3 youngsters in next year's rotation
2007-07-31 16:57:16
62.   OldYanksFan
Are we going to need 10 runs to win tonight?
2007-07-31 16:58:52
63.   RIYank
57 Oh, uh, yeah. {Whistling, edges toward the door...}
2007-07-31 17:00:09
64.   Alex Belth
Contreras uses the breaking ball to cruise through the second...
2007-07-31 17:00:54
65.   OldYanksFan
O's up on the Sox, 4-0.
2007-07-31 17:01:25
66.   Yankees Brasil
and I thought this was going to be an easy game..
2007-07-31 17:06:48
67.   RIYank
Sure, that was an easy inning, but next inning if a couple of guys get on... Uribe will bat again.
2007-07-31 17:07:23
68.   Marcus
So far we've got:

1st: Good Moose, Bad Contreras
2nd: Bad Moose, Good Contreras
3rd: Good Moose, ?

If the pattern continues, the Yanks will be in good shape.

2007-07-31 17:07:35
69.   Mattpat11
I've just returned from work.I can't find information on the Farnsworth deal. It appears to be hidden.
2007-07-31 17:08:50
70.   RIYank
69 Cash dealt him for Randy Johnson.
2007-07-31 17:09:24
71.   Mattpat11
70 I consider than a net positive.
2007-07-31 17:11:15
72.   mehmattski
Man, get rid of this guy. He only has warning track power.
2007-07-31 17:11:25
73.   RIYank
The crowd is kind of jumpy this evening.

I figure next AB should be The One. Assuming Contreras is still pitching.

2007-07-31 17:11:57
74.   Mattpat11
I'm going to offer Michael Kay some friendly advice. If the outfielder stops at a spot and camps out there with his glove up, HE'S GOING TO CATCH IT.
2007-07-31 17:12:09
75.   ny2ca2dc
69 - 71 good stuff.
2007-07-31 17:12:52
76.   RIYank
Uribe is pissing me off.
2007-07-31 17:14:34
77.   Hocakes
68. I love Sabermetrics!
2007-07-31 17:16:11
78.   RIYank
Posada's splits against righties surprised me when I looked just now. He's really good.

Why did Matsui not advance to third?? It's not likely to matter, but still.

2007-07-31 17:17:04
79.   RIYank

And I was just going to complain that the Caught Stealing was a rally-killer.

2007-07-31 17:17:08
80.   mehmattski
So, will Abreu, Matsui, and Cano get to 500 before A-Rod?
2007-07-31 17:17:14
81.   Mattpat11
Now Michael, when the outfielder reacts like that, THATS a homerun.
2007-07-31 17:17:43
82.   Vandelay Industries

Keep 'em coming. Still not Moose proof.

2007-07-31 17:19:21
83.   RIYank
Our lefties were crushing him, righties not so much. Maybe this is better for Alex, therefore.
2007-07-31 17:19:36
84.   cult of basebaal
bring on the knuckler!
2007-07-31 17:20:10
85.   RIYank
Oh, and 68 you've obviously got a future in this business, Marcus.
2007-07-31 17:20:48
86.   Mattpat11
What in hell was that?
2007-07-31 17:21:19
87.   RIYank
I had no idea the WSox had a knuckleballer. I thought Tim Wakefield was the only one.
So let's get some walks!
2007-07-31 17:22:11
88.   RIYank
I love knuckleball pitchers.
2007-07-31 17:22:45
89.   Mattpat11
87 Steve Sparks is out of baseball?
2007-07-31 17:23:24
90.   RIYank
62 OldYF, that question doesn't seem quite so troubling anymore, huh?
2007-07-31 17:23:25
91.   BklynBmr
Cashman is a pure genius...
2007-07-31 17:24:08
92.   Mattpat11

He cut Farnsworth?

2007-07-31 17:24:17
93.   mehmattski
Abreu + Matsui + Cano + Melky = 363 career homers.
2007-07-31 17:24:56
94.   RIYank
89 Seriously? I thought he was like 47.
2007-07-31 17:25:10
95.   Marcus
I want to see everyone in the lineup get a home run but A-Rod. That'll teach him to slack off since #499.
2007-07-31 17:25:48
96.   Mattpat11
94 Apparently he is. I thought he was pitching mpre recently than 2004 though
2007-07-31 17:25:53
97.   OldYanksFan
80 bada-boom.
OK. Ten runs it is.
Big Papi goes yard. O's over Sox, 4-2, but Beckett looking good.
2007-07-31 17:28:11
98.   Mattpat11
Aw shit. here we go.
2007-07-31 17:29:05
99.   OldYanksFan
It is amazing how absolutely hot and then absolutely cold this lineup can be. I mean when JD is you worst offensive player, ya got a good lineup. I wonder how we can get shut down so often.
2007-07-31 17:29:20
100.   mehmattski
95 It would be Damon's first homer since June 26.
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2007-07-31 17:30:08
101.   RIYank
Our infield is fielding like mad today.
2007-07-31 17:30:13
102.   Mattpat11
He's so good at that play, but scares me every time.
2007-07-31 17:30:46
103.   RIYank
100 If Contreras were still pitching, I'd give him even odds.
2007-07-31 17:32:36
104.   Mattpat11
I can't figure out this strikezone.
2007-07-31 17:33:09
105.   RIYank
I really can't stand Podsednik.
2007-07-31 17:33:24
106.   Mattpat11
105 Ditto
2007-07-31 17:34:49
107.   RIYank
104 105 Now the rest of you have to say what you can't do.

Mattpat: figure out this strike zone.
RIYank: stand Scott Podsednik.

2007-07-31 17:35:16
108.   OldYanksFan
Baltimore gets out of a bases loaded, 1 out jam. Still 4-2 after 4.
2007-07-31 17:38:28
109.   OldYanksFan
2007-07-31 17:39:11
110.   RIYank
Oh, cripes. Damn.
2007-07-31 17:39:22
111.   OldYanksFan
How do you hit with all those flashbulbs?
2007-07-31 17:42:36
112.   RIYank
This is very humiliating for Alex.
2007-07-31 17:42:44
113.   Mattpat11
The White Sox aren't very good.
2007-07-31 17:43:08
114.   Hocakes
This is how they have to hit with their fifth starter on the mound.
2007-07-31 17:43:21
115.   cult of basebaal
According to Chad Jennings, Joba left SWB before tonite's game to go to New York and acquire a passport ... signs look good for him coming up before we head to Toronto next week ...
2007-07-31 17:44:53
116.   RIYank
All three of our outs this inning were really good hits. This means we will not score again this game.
2007-07-31 17:47:03
117.   OldYanksFan
95 Geez... I was kinda kidding about the 10 runs. How about you?

I hope ARod is relaxed enough to have a laugh at whats going on around him. JD, Jetes and Philips left.

2007-07-31 17:47:39
118.   RIYank
115 Hey, I had to get a passport for my son this summer, and it took eleven weeks. Still, cool report. And I'm not begrudging the passport.
2007-07-31 17:49:47
119.   Mattpat11
Serious question. Is there any competition for Matsui as player of the month?
2007-07-31 17:49:57
120.   51cq24
118 the passport situation is absurd now. do you think that the yankees will be able to get one quicker? in principle, that would be horrendous. but if it means joba pitching as soon as possible, i'll look the other way.
2007-07-31 17:51:19
121.   RIYank
Mmmmmm, pasta.
2007-07-31 17:51:24
122.   Mattpat11
2007-07-31 17:53:00
123.   RIYank
120 There's little doubt in my mind. I bet Hillary would phone the State Department personally.
2007-07-31 17:55:23
124.   Mattpat11
76 through five. he can go seven
2007-07-31 17:55:57
125.   51cq24
123 she's running nationally now so she doesn't have to pretend to be a yankee fan anymore
2007-07-31 17:56:39
126.   Shaun P
49 RIYank, that was me who said Gagne was worth two wins at most in the last thread. I'm glad someone thought I had a good point!

61 I think Sheehan is over-reacting too, but its clearly because he doesn't value Kennedy highly. I don't see how he ranks Kennedy at the 4th, 5th, or 6th best Yanks prospect.

Here is Kevin Goldstein's top 10 list from January, with my comments:

Excellent Prospects
1. Philip Hughes, rhp
2. Jose Tabata, rf
Very Good Prospects
3. Joba Chamberlain, rhp
4. Humberto Sanchez, rhp
5. Dellin Betances, rhp
Good Prospects
6. Kevin Whelan, rhp
Average Prospects
7. Tyler Clippard, rhp
8. J. Brent Cox, rhp
9. Ian Kennedy, rhp
10. Alberto Gonzalez, ss

Let's start with the obvious. Hughes is out, since he's in the bigs now. Cox is penalized for missing most of the season; so is Sanchez, who'll miss all of it. I think, given his recent struggles, Clippard is now behind Kennedy. Whelan is at AA, with a great K/9 (11.5) but an awful BB/9 (7.9!) and a crappy K:BB (1.45), so he's behind Kennedy, who was great at AA.

That leaves Joba (who's probably #1), Tabata, and Betances. Kennedy has succeeded at AA and (so far) at AAA; Betances hasn't played in a full season league yet. I think Kennedy has to be above Dellin. And depending on how you dock Tabata for his lack of power (.386 SLG compared to .420 last year at the same level!), you might even put Kennedy ahead of him.

And I can't think of anyone else in the system who's played so well this year that you have to list them ahead of Kennedy.

I might send this to Joe, see what he thinks.

2007-07-31 17:57:47
127.   cult of basebaal
120 could you imagine if the Yanks couldn't pull any strings to expedite the process? jim dean's head would cronenberg in fury at cashman's lack of foresight and preparation ...
2007-07-31 17:59:23
128.   mehmattski
With 11 runs coming entirely from homers, I bet "weeping" is curled up in a ball in the corner or something ;-)

For those keeping track:

Abreu + Matsui + Cano + Melky + Posada = 573 career homers.

2007-07-31 18:00:12
129.   Mattpat11
I hate him.
2007-07-31 18:00:24
130.   RIYank
125 Hm, true.
126 Credit where credit is due.

Good god. The White Sox bullpen seriously sucks. Or I guess it wouldn't make sense for them to wheel out good pitchers now, would it?

2007-07-31 18:01:40
131.   cult of basebaal
126 exactly, at worst, i'd say he's #4 on the list (if you were being extremely kind to horne) and he's the best bet besides joba to pitch a meaningful amount of big league innings next year ...
2007-07-31 18:02:51
132.   RIYank
128 Ouch. Yeah, this bodes very poorly for the next game, huh? You know that when you hit a lot of homers, that's a sign of inconsistency. We'll probably be shut-out tomorrow.
2007-07-31 18:06:54
133.   ny2ca2dc
126 I think Sheehan maybe isn't that up to date on Kennedy's progress - With what he's done this year, he's got to have gained some respect. I saw reports he had picked up some ticks on his fastball, which would add weight to his statistical success.
2007-07-31 18:11:31
134.   51cq24
what's the story with farnsworth? he purposely crossed up posada? i wasn't around this weekend. what are they gonna do about it?
2007-07-31 18:13:50
135.   RIYank
134 Not purposely, I'm sure. But the thing is, Jorgie was plainly not happy. He gave Kyle a kind of glare, evil eye.

Moose now inches away from a Q-Start, after that disgusting second inning.

2007-07-31 18:14:25
136.   Yankees Brasil
good job ump!
2007-07-31 18:15:18
137.   RIYank
The White Sox would prefer not to be present at White Sox games, looks like. Understandable.
2007-07-31 18:17:29
138.   Mattpat11
Bugs Bunny pitch
2007-07-31 18:18:51
139.   51cq24
135 i guess he wasnt wearing his glasses
2007-07-31 18:20:26
140.   OldYanksFan
O's up on Sxo, 5-2 after 6.
Texas up on Cleveland, 3-1 after 7.
Could be a very good day.
2007-07-31 18:20:41
141.   RIYank
We want Farns! We want Farns! We want Farns!
2007-07-31 18:21:22
142.   nemecizer
132 You know, I've always felt that. But then again, after a game with 5 HR, I also wonder if it's not just regression to the mean in that expectations become temporarily inflated and a "normal" game lets you down more.

Does any one have any stats or studies they can link to? I've always wondered about a time series analysis that might show whether a team, after a 15 run game, is more or less likely to score under their running average in the next game or two. That would kind of support the Rickey Henderson/Pedro Cerrano theory that bats have a certain number of hits "in them". I don't buy that, these should be (mostly) independent probabilities.

Yanks doing well tonight.

2007-07-31 18:21:34
143.   RIYank
140 Great, now the Rangers can just go to their closer...
2007-07-31 18:21:38
144.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Wow, that last pitch by Moose was crazy
2007-07-31 18:22:08
145.   Mattpat11
135 Elton wanted them back.
2007-07-31 18:22:31
146.   Yankees Brasil
Erstad and Podsednik, now thats a killer combo
2007-07-31 18:22:45
147.   ny2ca2dc
THis is going to get Mattpat going, from Pete Abe: "It seems the Yankees could have gotten rid of Krazy Kyle. Atlanta was willing to trade the Yankees Bob Wickman but wanted all $7.1 million of Farnsworth's salary. That was a no deal for Cashman."

I wonder who would've come over for Kyle.... If it was Davies, who they sent to KC for Dotel, seems like a pretty big mistake by Cash - Davies maybe could'a been flipped to Texas for part of Gagne... or something.

All speculation though on the return, cuz i doubt anything other than a bag o balls would've been coming back from ATL.

2007-07-31 18:24:05
148.   Mattpat11
2007-07-31 18:24:36
149.   RIYank
Wow. Six dingers and not one of them by the king!
2007-07-31 18:24:39
150.   Mattpat11
147 Well then
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2007-07-31 18:24:49
151.   ny2ca2dc
147 GEEZ, i need to read my own quotes. What a moron i am... anyway, maybe would'a been a deal worth doin
2007-07-31 18:25:30
152.   Shaun P
147 Dotel >> Farnsworth, so no way Kyle Davies was coming to the Yanks. As much as I want Farnsworth gone, I think the Yanks did the right thing by not picking up Wickman. He would have slotted right into the 8th inning role, along with taking Proctor's place on the Wheel of Guts - and that would be trouble.

My lord Godzilla is a monster! (Poor A-Rod!)

2007-07-31 18:25:34
153.   vockins
I'd like to tell everyone that wanted to dump Matsui earlier this year to jump in the river.
2007-07-31 18:25:42
154.   RIYank
148 In answer to your earlier question, I don't think anyone is close to Matsui in the Player of July contest.
Thirteen dingers this month for him.
2007-07-31 18:25:47
155.   cult of basebaal
from petey at lohud ...

UPDATE, 9:03 p.m.: It seems the Yankees could have gotten rid of Krazy Kyle. Atlanta was willing to trade the Yankees Bob Wickman but wanted all $7.1 million of Farnsworth's salary. That was a no deal for Cashman.

Meanwhile, Cashman was praising Ross Ohlendorf, saying he hit 97 in a recent relief outing and could be somebody in the mix.

Tell you what, for years people have been saying the Yankees need to get younger. I agree with them. Younger player have hunger and passion and they need some doses of that. Using Chamberlain, Ramirez, Ohlendorf and Hughes down the stretch will be pretty interesting to watch. Gagne is good but giving up Melky or Kennedy for 20 innings makes no sense.


i'm all for making krazy go away, but not the cost of all his dough AND having to take on someone who's not much of an improvement on the mound while having to pay that player's salary as part of the priviledge of ridding ourselves of worthless

it's not like anyone's going to claim worthless on waivers, and it's not like cashman's going to stop trying to make kyle disappear, we can always DFA the lunk and save ourselves some money over what this proposed deal would have cost us ...

2007-07-31 18:25:49
156.   Mattpat11
That was Matsui's 99 HR. Who hits the milestone first? :)
2007-07-31 18:27:19
157.   Mattpat11
155 Cashman started trying to make him disappear?

I missed that.

2007-07-31 18:28:35
158.   ChrisS
156 Based on tonight's game, Matsui by the end of the inning.
2007-07-31 18:29:33
159.   cult of basebaal
155 as usual ... i'm slow on the posting ... where did THIS Matsui come from ... crikey!
2007-07-31 18:29:36
160.   Shaun P
156 At this rate, Matsui does. =)

154 Boy I hope he keeps up a bit of this.

2007-07-31 18:30:25
161.   ChrisS
And Cano is now up to .301; dude likes the heat, apparently.
2007-07-31 18:31:24
162.   ny2ca2dc
155, etc: I guess we just have to hang our hopes on this BS with nailing & disrespecting Po (and Joe earlier) being the last last last straw and just DFA his arse. Jays got something for Hillenbrand, A's something for Bradley, Cubs for Barret, etc (OKOK, not same guys/situations, but the point really is, waive him & see what happens - worst thing is that Farnsworth is no longer a Yankee, and no longer a threat to the second most valuable Yankee {Po}).
2007-07-31 18:31:46
163.   Shaun P
142 I don't know about one team, but my experience (from paying attention thanks to my fantasy team) is that whenever there's a slugfest between two teams, the next day is always a pitcher's duel (provided the same two teams are playing against each other again).

If the Yanks get shut out tomorrow, we're all going to wish that they saved some runs. =)

C'mon on Baltimore bullpen! Bedard was awesome, but he's over 110 pitches, so its in the O's relievers' hands now.

2007-07-31 18:33:10
164.   RIYank
161 No kidding. A couple of weeks ago I was suggesting Torre could buy him some long underwear for April.

Whoa, boos for Kyle. Harsh. Deserved, but harsh.

2007-07-31 18:33:25
165.   cult of basebaal
all i have to say to the indians and mariners is ... objects in the rear view mirror may be closer than they appear
2007-07-31 18:33:38
166.   nemecizer
I can't believe Krazy Karl is still with this team. Oh well, at least in this case he cant hurt us that much.

Can he? Can he?

2007-07-31 18:34:13
167.   cult of basebaal
well, hey now, guess worthless is getting some of that work he was bitching about
2007-07-31 18:34:58
168.   mehmattski
163 I did some research about the Yankees runs/game following blowouts in 2006. The Yankees scored about half a run per game more in games following blowouts than their season average.
2007-07-31 18:35:16
169.   Shaun P
/dream on

Maybe Kyle being 'demoted' to the 7th inning (or mop up situations) will be the kick in the rear he needs to get righted.

/dream off

Hey, I just realized - Moose pitched a really good game with Posada behind the plate!

2007-07-31 18:36:58
170.   RIYank
Bedard is dominating. Big Papi aside, of course.
2007-07-31 18:37:09
171.   cult of basebaal
wow ... joe torre actually attempting to get a bench player some decent playing time in a blow out ... Krazy having a 1-2-3 inning ... HAS THE WORLD TURNED UPSIDE DOWN?!?!?!?
2007-07-31 18:37:14
172.   Yu-Hsing Chen
How much better can a day gets when even Krazy Kyle has a good inning? maybe they'll announce the cure for cancer or something
2007-07-31 18:37:35
173.   ny2ca2dc
Wow, listening to Po, throwing sliders, getting goodish results, he's turned the corner!!!!!!!!!

ya, that's sarcasm. seriously though, F this guy. almost broke Po's wrist, and like the booth boys are saying, how do you get crossed up with just a guy on first, no switched signs... just F this guy.

Po and the others being gracious with Farns in the dugout, that's good of them.

2007-07-31 18:37:45
174.   OldYanksFan
"Farnsworth works a 1-2-3 inning"
Did I ask this before? What's that?
2007-07-31 18:38:46
175.   Shaun P
170 I'd say (in an equitable world where wins don't matter) that Bedard is probably the best or second-best pitcher in the AL right now (Haren might ahead of him, but I haven't checked on him in a while).
2007-07-31 18:38:47
176.   ChrisS
I'll really feel bad for A-Rod if Shelly smacks a longball.
2007-07-31 18:39:09
177.   RIYank
168 This is my fault. I reacted to your comment with a little ironic jab at Weeping, and without the context some others thought I was serious.
2007-07-31 18:39:45
178.   Yu-Hsing Chen
biggest deadline upgrade = someone scerwing Torre's head on strait?
2007-07-31 18:40:13
179.   Shaun P
171 Even better, a Shelley sighting - in the OF!!!

174 I believe its when Kyle throws three straight balls . . . except I don't think he did that. Hmm.

2007-07-31 18:40:51
180.   pistolpete
OMFG, even Damon gets in on it...

This is a cruel joke for A-Rod, isn't it?

2007-07-31 18:40:54
181.   Shaun P
176 Well its just him and Andy now who don't have one. =)
2007-07-31 18:41:17
182.   ChrisS
176 or Damon
2007-07-31 18:41:33
183.   ny2ca2dc
just shat my pants. random nature of baseball..... my god. Come on Jete, Shelly get yours..
2007-07-31 18:41:53
184.   RIYank
100 There ya go.
2007-07-31 18:41:57
185.   OldYanksFan
Oh man, this is FUN!
Jetes and Andy left,
2007-07-31 18:42:15
186.   pistolpete
174 Maybe this non-trade will be like a fresh start for Kyle - in a game like this, Torre should run him out there again for the eighth and have him work on the slider.
2007-07-31 18:42:43
187.   ChrisS
181 and Jetes
2007-07-31 18:42:56
188.   mehmattski
BOOOOO, Jeter sucks!
2007-07-31 18:44:21
189.   nick
quite a day!....I say Joe makes Farns pitch two innings, just to show him who's boss--why waste another arm?
2007-07-31 18:44:53
190.   mehmattski
Uh oh, I think Shelley just broke Wonderboy.
2007-07-31 18:44:55
191.   pistolpete
Shelley Duncan has the most violent swings I've seen since Dave Winfield.
2007-07-31 18:45:11
192.   nemecizer
This Jeter guy hasn't hit a home run all night long. What's wrong with him?
2007-07-31 18:45:35
193.   OldYanksFan
A Lot of people respect Girardi and Leiter. They both think Krazy can be fixed and become an important guy. Are they nuts? Are we just reactional? Can he do some work in MiLB with no pressure?
2007-07-31 18:45:35
194.   RIYank
Shel BABY.
2007-07-31 18:45:43
195.   Marcus
I hate to be superficial, but looking at Shelley Duncan's Gameday picture, am I the only one who thinks, "Baby...Ruuuth?"
2007-07-31 18:45:48
196.   Mattpat11
Is A-Rod weeping in the corner?
2007-07-31 18:45:57
197.   nemecizer
This Jeter guy hasn't hit a home run all night long. What's wrong with him?
2007-07-31 18:46:14
198.   OldYanksFan
A Lot of people respect Girardi and Leiter. They both think Krazy can be fixed and become an important guy. Are they nuts? Are we just reactional? Can he do some work in MiLB with no pressure?
2007-07-31 18:46:17
199.   ChrisS
2007-07-31 18:46:23
200.   Shaun P
187 Somehow I forgot about the Captain. Thanks.
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2007-07-31 18:46:49
201.   nemecizer
You have to be fucking kidding me.
2007-07-31 18:46:51
202.   OldYanksFan
Oops. Sorry. Is this nuts, or what?
2007-07-31 18:47:06
203.   Shaun P
I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

If Andy hits a home run . . .

2007-07-31 18:47:26
204.   nemecizer
These Jeter and A-Rod guys, they don't seem to hit Home Runs...
2007-07-31 18:47:47
205.   ny2ca2dc
quite a thing. quite a damn thing.
2007-07-31 18:48:11
206.   pistolpete
A-Rod, he's so unclutch. We could have broken the all-time Yankees single-game HR record...
2007-07-31 18:48:22
207.   ny2ca2dc
204 Well, they're just shortstops, can't expect HRs from the SS types
2007-07-31 18:48:27
208.   Mattpat11
198 I think they're too nice to bury him. Its like when Mattingly said he thought Bubba could hit.
2007-07-31 18:48:44
209.   cult of basebaal
you see??? THAT'S why Jetes is our Captain ... everybody else is being selfish and showing up AROD by hitting homeruns and Derek goes out there and sacrifices himself by making an out ... we all know he could have hit a homerun there, too ...
2007-07-31 18:49:44
210.   Mike T
195 I beat you to that one last week bro, but it hasn't lost its comedic value at
2007-07-31 18:50:16
211.   Yu-Hsing Chen
who are these guys and what have they done with the NY Yankees?
2007-07-31 18:50:31
212.   Jeteupthemiddle
"So Arod just goes in a corner and cries right?" ~Jeteupthemiddle's mom.
2007-07-31 18:50:45
213.   Alex Belth
You KNEW Shelley was going to hit one there.

A Rod had a couple of good at bats tonight. Got robbed by Dye, hit the ball square in his last at bat. Just wasn't his night.

Listening to Michael Kay's preamble each time A Rod comes to bat is nothing short of exhausting.

2007-07-31 18:50:54
214.   Shaun P
206 Still lots of game left!

Torre has to leave him out there at 3B too - can you imagine if he took A-Rod out, and then Cairo or Basak homered in his place?

2007-07-31 18:51:33
215.   tommyl
Man, I'm so glad we're winning with smallball tonight. Bunting, moving the runner over, its awesome, no?

Oh wait, 8 HRs, hmmm....but you can't hit those consistently I thought?

2007-07-31 18:51:37
216.   ny2ca2dc
Basak's still on the roster, right? Might be nice to get him some AB's, and rest Jeter. Nice kid ought to get some AB's as a party favor day before he's shipped out.
2007-07-31 18:51:53
217.   Shaun P
214 Never mind. Boy I hope I didn't just jinx Basak into a home run.
2007-07-31 18:51:58
218.   OldYanksFan
Matsui, in a sign oif respect for ARod-san, does not hit another HR. Shelly the Kid however, has something to learn about manners.
2007-07-31 18:54:05
219.   Marcus
Jeter is the only one on the Yankees to ground out (twice). Only two Ks by the Yanks hitters.

All runs in the game except Phillips's sac fly scored by HR.

2007-07-31 18:54:30
220.   pistolpete
The one guy Kim HAS to pull off the field after the game is A-Rod.

His response will most likely be the textbook definition of magnanimity.

2007-07-31 18:54:34
221.   Mattpat11
This is the second time I've heard "Glavine has never missed a start"

He missed a month last year. Did he have no starts planned?

2007-07-31 18:54:55
222.   nick
now that we've sucessfully "showcased" Kyle, you think somebody will give us three used jockstraps for him?
2007-07-31 18:55:28
223.   Shaun P
OK, who pitches the 9th? Myers gets two innings, or Bruney gets a shot before being shipped out?
2007-07-31 18:55:43
224.   pistolpete
Golly our bullpen looks dominating with a 13-run lead. Gagne, who needs him?
2007-07-31 18:56:46
225.   Shaun P
OK, Ortiz has cut the lead to 5-3, but the O's have brought in competent relievers now.
2007-07-31 18:57:05
226.   RIYank
Ortiz goes yard again! With nobody on. Manny's out, so one out in the eighth, 5-3.
2007-07-31 18:57:40
227.   OldYanksFan
Clevealnd loses.
Papi hits another. O's up 5-3, 1 out, bottom of the 8th at Fenway. Make that 2 outs.
2007-07-31 18:57:41
228.   Shaun P
Anyone on Gameday - flip over to the Red Sox game, and see the path of the ball when Bradford throws - its wild. Talk about a low release point!
2007-07-31 18:59:15
229.   Shaun P
226 227 Well, I see what game YOU guys are focused on. ;)

228 And if you're faint of heart, don't look at Mike Lowell's Gameday photo.

2007-07-31 18:59:27
230.   RIYank
That ends the eighth in Boston.
Also, Cleveland has lost.
2007-07-31 18:59:31
231.   OldYanksFan
Top of the 9th in Boston.
2007-07-31 19:00:23
232.   OldYanksFan
230 Ahem.... I thought Boston was MY territory...
2007-07-31 19:01:00
233.   nemecizer
222 This is going to sound creepy, but I literally had a dream last night that we used him as part of the mound. I woke up feeling very happy.

I know, I know, time to get on a couch in someone's office....

2007-07-31 19:01:34
234.   Shaun P
230 232 Tut tut, gentlemen, we can share. I went first last time, this time was RIYank, now its your turn OYF. ;)
2007-07-31 19:02:55
235.   OldYanksFan
Honestly... at the ASB, did anyone really believe we would be THREE games out of the WC before August. And Hughes, Joba and Giambi coming. I feel really good about our chances.
2007-07-31 19:04:30
236.   OldYanksFan
2007-07-31 19:04:36
237.   nick
ok, looks like Shelley's shot was of historical proportions--

the team record for home runs, single game, was 8, against the Philadelphia A's, June 28, 1939--

let's break it!

2007-07-31 19:05:19
238.   Jeteupthemiddle
Only way we'll break it is if there is one hell of a come back by the White Sox.
2007-07-31 19:06:10
239.   OldYanksFan
Doesn't age have any privilages around here? I mean the Yankees might be around for October... but me?
2007-07-31 19:07:17
240.   RIYank
Okay, I'll report on the PawSox. Southern New England only.
(But the O's are threatening. SORRY!)
2007-07-31 19:07:25
241.   nick
ps--ok, so who would have predicted the most historic blast of the night (yeah, yeah, so far...) being hit by Shelley?
2007-07-31 19:07:42
242.   Shaun P
239 Well then what's going on in Boston already? =)
2007-07-31 19:08:19
243.   nick
238 damn, posted too late....
2007-07-31 19:08:27
244.   OldYanksFan
oh oh... it's Mr. Gritty BFOG at bat.
2007-07-31 19:08:36
245.   Shaun P
240 And what are the PawSox up to anyway?
2007-07-31 19:10:19
246.   OldYanksFan
And the carnage ends.
2007-07-31 19:10:44
247.   OldYanksFan
Bottom of the 9th coming in Boston. 7-8-9 due up.
2007-07-31 19:11:37
248.   nemecizer
244 "BFOG"?

I have an idea what that means, but it has a dirty word in it...

2007-07-31 19:11:37
249.   Shaun P
247 Thank you, OYF.
2007-07-31 19:12:09
250.   Shaun P
248 "Belly Full of Guts". I forget who came up with that one.
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2007-07-31 19:14:35
251.   OldYanksFan
Tek up, count 1-2.
2007-07-31 19:15:17
252.   OldYanksFan
Full count!
2007-07-31 19:16:09
253.   RIYank
245 Damned if I know.
2007-07-31 19:16:19
254.   OldYanksFan
Fly out to CF. He Gone!
(Just saying that makes me want to punch myself in the face)l
Crisp up.
2007-07-31 19:17:20
255.   OldYanksFan
Single up the middle. Lugo up, man on 1st, one out.
2007-07-31 19:18:59
256.   pistolpete
Hinske pinch hitting.
2007-07-31 19:20:05
257.   mehmattski
250 joejoejoe has the first recorded use of 'BFOG' on the Banter, in comment #38 on April 4, 2007.

A Google-wide search for the term does not reveal any results outside of the Banter.

2007-07-31 19:21:13
258.   Shaun P
257 So now we know who came up with BFOG and we know from my research in today's earlier thread that Zach first used EDSP on the Banter back in August 2006. Cool.
2007-07-31 19:21:53
259.   OldYanksFan
Did you Google 'RCNB'?
Full count to Hinske
2007-07-31 19:22:25
260.   OldYanksFan
Shit! Ball 4. 1st and 2nd, 1 out, top of the oder.
2007-07-31 19:22:59
261.   Jeteupthemiddle
Ack. Hinske walks.

2 on 1 out.

Lugo up.

Baltimore isn't going to blow this, are they?

2007-07-31 19:23:45
262.   OldYanksFan
0-2 on Lugo...
2007-07-31 19:23:56
263.   RIYank
Oh man, Lugo JUST beat out the DP.
2007-07-31 19:24:41
264.   RIYank
It would be cool, but not in a good way, if Ortiz got a shot to win this game.
2007-07-31 19:24:55
265.   OldYanksFan
ALMOST a DP!!! 2 out, 1st and 3rd, Pedroia up.
2007-07-31 19:25:12
266.   OldYanksFan
Game ovah!!! O's win!
2007-07-31 19:26:01
267.   RIYank
Oh, nice. Ballgame over. That was better than Ortiz coming up.

Ah, a good day.

2007-07-31 19:26:13
268.   OldYanksFan
And 10,000 toilets in Boston flush simultaneously.
2007-07-31 19:27:16
269.   pistolpete
I'm happier about the Indians losing, but I'd gladly give the Sox a good scare as well before this thing is over - if not overtake them. ;)
2007-07-31 19:27:26
270.   OldYanksFan
I'm out RIY. Enjoy. See ya tomorrow.
2007-07-31 19:28:35
271.   Shaun P
268 But they got Garnett! And Gagne!

257 A not very scientific Google search leads me to believe that Zach is the first person to use EDSP as the shortened form of "Every Day Scott(ie) Proctor". It seems Steve L at WasWatching came up with the full version first.

The Dodgers will find a way to use him tonight, won't they?

2007-07-31 19:28:36
272.   RIYank
So who will take Gabbard's spot in the Sox' rotation? He was supposed to pitch, uh, tomorrow? Very soon.
2007-07-31 19:30:13
273.   RIYank
Also, which was your favorite home run of the game?
2007-07-31 19:34:34
274.   Shaun P
273 Shelley's, because so many called it.

And I have no idea who pitches for the Sox tomorrow, unless Mr. Blowhard is ready to come back already.

With that - g'night, all.

2007-07-31 19:36:20
275.   Chyll Will
I missed something, didn't I?
2007-07-31 19:39:58
276.   RIYank
275 There were some fireworks. And some ha-has.

Shelley's was my favorite, too. Because now he has 4 HR in 21 AB, which I consider good. Joe apparently does not.

2007-07-31 19:41:03
277.   RIYank
Okay, buenas noches. (I'm not leaving because of you, C-Will. Really.)
2007-07-31 19:45:45
278.   Schteeve
163 What on earth are you talking about. Just looking at the month of July the Yanks had consecutive games in which they scored the following number of runs:

July 21: 7, 17
July 22: 21
July 23: 9
July 24: 9
July 25: 7

July 29: 10
July 31: 16

That's just one month, but I would hope it would finally put to rest this nonsense about "the day after you score a lot of runs you can't score any runs."

2007-07-31 20:03:29
279.   Chyll Will
277 It's cool. I was driving all day, I probably would have wrecked considering what I've read already. I'll take it as everyone pulling for A-Rod for his 500th, kinda "showing him how it's done" so they can get on with winning the rest of the way... g'nite >;)
2007-07-31 20:04:53
280.   Zack
271 I also came up with [Wacky Dance!] and [Extended Wacky Dance!], but haven't had any reason to use either this season. Hughes' no-no would have warranted it..

I can't really take credit for EDSP, it was a team effort. I'm just really glad to make my contribution, you know, its all about the Banter. I just hope to continue my run of it :)

Just read that the Sox don't expect Gagne to resign with them, which does make him a bit on the expensive side...

2007-07-31 20:32:02
281.   Vandelay Industries

One more bad injury and poof, Papelbon into the roation, and Gange closes. Then he'd be a lot more likely to sign. Either way, if Mo really does decide to sign elsewhere, we can make a run at Gange, should he stay healthy. Well, unless the skies open, pigs fly, or Jesus shows up in Times Square, and Joe allows a kid to get some quality innings in relief.

2007-07-31 20:51:30
282.   Schteeve
There's something about this Betemit deal that doesn't sit right with me. We are essentially getting him to fortify the bench, right?
2007-07-31 21:07:27
283.   Mattpat11
281 For a two month rental as the setup man for marginal players, I'd be fine. But as the primary closer over the length of a long contract, I wouldn't touch Gagne with a ten foot pole.
2007-07-31 21:42:32
284.   Vandelay Industries

Fortifying the bench is a fringe benefit of the deal. If Rodriguez stays put, we can let Cairo go or trade Betemit, but more importantly, at least to me, it states clearly to Alex that Cashman was serious about not talking with him should he opt out. We already have his replacement in a young talented player who can be developed. Now the ball is in his court.

2007-07-31 22:17:43
285.   yankz
Boy am I mad I missed this game.
2007-07-31 22:54:04
286.   yankz
204 That's why they're our two best hitters.

I think I've mentioned before how much I love reading through game threads on monster wins.

2007-07-31 22:54:36
287.   yankz
And 286 was obviously for weeping.
2007-08-01 07:57:12
288.   Schteeve
So we got Betemit to use as leverage to negotiate with A-Rod. That's a horrible idea in my opinion.

Here's how I would negotiate with A-Rod:

Cashman: Hi Alex.

A-Rod: Hi Brian.

Cashman: So, uh, how much do ya want?

A-Rod: A million Billion Dollars.

Cashman: Ok.

A-Rod: Cool.

Cashman: Wanna grab lunch? My treat?

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