Edwar fans, here's a profile of sorts: http://tinyurl.com/2ndtnw

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1 What are these new age "stats" things you are talking about? Its clear that Edwar was picked up because some scout saw his glasses and said, "Those glasses, they look gritty and old."

current rumor over at MLBtraderumors ... dan johnson for scott proctor, though supposedly the two teams haven't talked in about a week

frankly, i'd be surprised if that's all beane would want for johnson

and what the hell would the wheel of guts look like if joe didn't have EDSP to run out there every game?

3 Ugh, can we please instead trade a package of Myers and Farnsworth for a bucket of balls?

3 The Wheel of Guts might not survive the loss of EDSP.

4 If no team wants to trade for him, I don't see why the Yanks shouldn't just release Myers. He's not making much money, he's ultimately redundant - Igawa or Villone could easily be used to deal with LHB, shoot even Edwar - and he hasn't done his job. Its dicey with relievers, especially LOOGYs, because everything is a small sample, but c'est la vie.

5 I'd put the guy on waivers then, if someone makes a claim you can always try to make a trade. If not, see ya. Frees up a spot on the 25 and the 40-man.

6 Speaking of which, someone is going to have to be taken off when Hughes comes back. He's presently on the 60-day DL. Hmmm...I wonder if that is why they are waiting?

4 if getting DJ means JD meets the DL, we might actually get something resembling production out of our DH slot

8 Because its clear that getting DJ means that Andy Phillips rides the bench while JD continues to DH.

Is this the first time Madonna has made an appearance in the thread title?

If they had any intention of DLing Damon, they would've done it by now. They're not waiting around for a new bat. Unless he tears something or breaks a bone, I don't see it happening.

4 That should be "Myers and his 7 RSAA".

Apparently we're going into a double header with Kei Igawa and Matt DeSalvo.

I think that's carny for "we're not trying"

13 Well, at least it's a good thing that both will probably pitch deep into their games, to save the bullpen.

"He had a short ST, a short rehab"

And on top of that, he's not very good.

Where the hell was Jeter on that grounder? I know he has his problems with ranging that way, but he wasn't even in the shot.

13 Yeah, and Hughes is in direct competition with Igawa for a starting slot. Seriously? Let's see, on the one hand you have a 21 year old with great stuff, makeup, impeccable minor league stats and in two starts he has pitched decently and taken a no hitter into the 7th. On the other you have a guy who manages to throw over 100 pitches in 5 innings, give up HRs at a prodiguous rate. Hmmm...but I guess its the lack of regular work that has impeded Igawa, huh?

17 That's just talk. If Cash were really serious about putting Igawa and Hughes on an even footing, he'd already be in the loony bin.

Hughes is coming to the big club the next start after reaching 95 pitches in the minors.

You can always tell when Kay likes a guy or not by the way he calls their failures. If someone he likes (Pettitte, as an example because he happens to be pitching) gives up runs, he says it very quickly. When someone he doesn't like does it, (Mussina, for example) He drags it out.

18 I'd have put him in the looney bin when he spent all that money on Igawa.

Andy hasn't been that bad so far. The only reason he gave up a run is because the Yanks apparently had only eight men on the field when Rios was at the plate.

20 Touche.

Now let's see if Damon can make himself useful on the base-paths.

Very nice.

WHOOO

That Matsui is a speedster

Melky! You're time is over in Center Mr. Damon.

Nice quick inning for Pettitte would be great here.

45 pitches. Umm....I think he'll have to use Edwar today, no?

KC up 2-0 in Boston.

That play on Matsui right there shows how much more range other shortstops have. Jeter wouldn't have even been in frame.

Where is everyone tonight?

32 biker night at nathans

29 Well, Rivera isn't available tonight, so Joe may well use Edwar. Provided, of course, that he's already used Proctor, Vizcaino, Myers, Proctor, Farnsworth, Proctor, Bruney, Villone and Proctor.

I love this talk of the Gold Glove. Chavez hasn't been the best defensive 3B in three years, but its a non-award award. Beltre is better than Chavez using just one hand.

How long are we going to be stuck with a lead-off hitter with a .340 OBP?

35 And it sounded like Kay admitted as much with the slighting of Tino Martinez despite Palmeiro only playing 25 games at first base.

Also... Man, I was really hoping Girardi would rip Loria there.

37 he just went totally silent when kay asked who was the worst

Naaaa. Girardi has too much class.

I like watching Melky play centerfield.

Well done Andy!

Well done Andy!

Anyone else watching this commercial for Fox News' version of the Daily Show? How awful does this piece of crap look?

43 you don't think it's funny to laugh about global warming and women's rights?

ah man that pitch was sooo low

Um, wasn't that pitch a little low? Like say, almost in the dirt?

44 And NAMBLA, those three issues are all about the same, right?

the liberal agenda?

this umpire is pretty inconsistent

Andy's really coming back for more high-wire antics?

44 Stay tuned. Lynching at 9:00

It looks like Halladay has been killing the lefties with that backup two-seamer. He's been throwing it at will all day.

Anybody know how many pitches Doc has?
I missed 4 innings (preping dinners) and exactly one Yankee hit. Is Doc that good tonight? Is this what our team does? Heal opposing pitchers?

53 Halladay's at 96, and yes he is good.

I wonder if ARod enjoys playing 3rd base? I hope when they vote for MVP, they consider defense (Sorry Papi and Haf)

Doc has thrown close to 95 pitches through 6.

Andy's lucky that stayed in the park.

He was shaky early controlling his pitches (his fastball was moving too much), but he's been killing them since the second.

So we need to work him in the 7th, so he's not back for the 8th.

Poor Andy.

60 More like, poor troy glaus.

NOOOOOOOOO

61 He never gets runs. He should just shake Igawa until all those runs Kei's sopped away from him fall out.

Farnsworth for the 8th? Argh....

64 maybe it's a decoy so halladay thinks "i can ease up this inning"

Hell of a bunt there. Perhaps we should let him swing away?

the first pitch to damon was the same pitch he called a strike on arod

some hard-earned boos

I was really rooting for Johnny- but now it's time to go to the DL.

And here comes Farnsworth.

umpire really in love with Halliday- gave him two pitches- How many close calls did he give Pettitte? - I counted none. Pettitte really earned every strike. 3-0 to Damon makes for a different inning (possibly)

God damnit

Kyle lost the glasses.

Maybe Kyle sees better without the glasses. He's ahead in the count

Kay is frigging in love with Farnsworth and I don't understand it.

This should at least be entertaining

73 Or did the glasses lose Kyle?

Kay is frigging in love with Farnsworth and I don't understand it.

68 I'm booing right along with them. Sorry, but the guy just isn't earning his keep, and needs to sit for a while.

I like him personally, but right now he's ticking me off much more than Nieves or Miggy ever did. Only Cano frustrates me more, but that's more of a wasted potential thing.

wow that was a dangerous pitch to FT

Still your 8th inning guy huh Joe? Fuck you!

Good God. Stop the insanity.

74 Nope, there's a doctor Suess poem you could write here, something like:

I do not like Kyle
I do not like him one bit

I do not like him wearing glasses
I do not like on the mound

I do not like him at home
I do not like him away

'cept I suck at rhyming.

Ok that Kyle.

We need the sad trombone wah wah wah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah to play every time Worthless comes in

and Farnsworth does as Farsworth does as Farnsworthless does...

How much does Torre need to see before he figures Farnsworth out? Is there a possible defense for his insistence on making him an "8th inning" guy. The Yankees can't afford to lose games because their manager is mired in formulaic nonsense.

I sense some Howie Clarke related comedy before this inning ends.

84 That is the best suggestion for theme music in the history of baseball.

I have a very bad feeling about this inning.

86 "Farnsie has the most experience doing that for the eighth and the ninth; he was a closer, too," Torre said. "I'd have to see something really bad from him where he was very inconsistent, and I haven't seen that."

How the hell many times has he done that?

How the hell hard is it to throw the fucking ball to first?

Dogshit.

Could this be any more ridiculous? Fire Joe yesterday!

Wow, he was on the base. Oh good, and Myers is warming to pitch to a lefty. This should all go smoothly.

I thought for sure that Viscaino was unavailable -now seeing him in the pen...what the Fuck Joe- you finally have an eigth inning guy and this dumbass is in the game! THanks for wasting my Tuesday evening.

there's no explanation for this whatsoever. he's been awful since he came here and there are better options. there's no sense and i'm tired of even thinking about it.

Can we shoot Farnsworth instead?

91 Is it perhaps a signal that Kyle has awful control if he can't throw to first base?

Worthless needs to buy Phillips a watch

WAKE UP JOE! PLEASE!

Somebody take this horse to the back of the barn and shoot it, please.

So, does Farnsorth now only get outs on line drives to Andy Phillips?"

Girardi is basically saying that Fansworth doesn't belong in this role. Again, another reason Joe should have been shit-canned for Girardi last season!

95 No, its the best reasoning ever. Joe says that he doesn't think Kyle can pitch unless he starts an inning. So he uses Kyle first and then Viz to bail him out, but not the other way around. I kid you not, he said this.

98 That would be an especially sad situation.

Second time this week Farnwacker let up a rope line drive that went his way-- even his outs are fucking lucky

103 he also wanted Andy Phillips bunting.

According to LoHud, DeSalvo will be up for a game, only to be replaced by a position player. Scranton has also signed Durazo.

Makes me think that Shelley is the position player, and Durazo will take his spot.

Yep.

Well, there you go. This is a Torre loss if I've ever seen one.

if F'wacker gets this guy....PLEASE BRING IN VIZCAINO?!?

damn it turns out he's actually even worse when he can't see posada's signs

CUT THE CRAP, JOE.

I believe that Cashman shares some of the blame for Farnsworth. Remember last year how Farnsy bitched and moaned when they asked him to come in mid-inning, or pitch two innings in a row?

Remember that?

Well, Cashman should have shipped his stupid ass out of town right after that nonsense.

howduzjoelivewithhimselfrightnow?

I would just like to note that in September 2005, when it was fairly certain we would sign Worthless, I was vehemently against it. I was shouted down as being negative and not recognizing that Farnsworth had "turned the corner"

This is a Joe Torre loss...pure and simple. If Torre isn't fired, the Yankees are going nowhere. I can't get mad at Farnsworth...he sucks...it's not his fault. For some reason (mostly incompetence), Torre continues to trot him out there. Clueless Joe is back.

It's 8-1 in Boston, but the Sox are rallying...

107 from girardi's commentary, i wouldn't vote him the best replacement at this point. flaherty and leiter seem to be smarter.

108 The naive part of me is excited by this. The cynic is sad that poor Shelley Duncan will ride the pine for a week or two before being shipped back to AAA. The lost ABs might cost him a chance at a AAA club record or something.

I was also told that it would be nice to "get in on the ground floor of something for once."

Yeah.

117

The question of the year: Is it worth missing the playoffs to guarantee a new manager next season?

"Farnsie has the most experience doing that for the eighth and the ninth; he was a closer, too," Torre said. "I'd have to see something really bad from him where he was very inconsistent, and I haven't seen that."

"Farnsie has the most experience doing that for the eighth and the ninth; he was a closer, too," Torre said. "I'd have to see something really bad from him where he was very inconsistent, and I haven't seen that."

"Farnsie has the most experience doing that for the eighth and the ninth; he was a closer, too," Torre said. "I'd have to see something really bad from him where he was very inconsistent, and I haven't seen that."

This is actually smart. It saves a run as neither Farns nor Myers pitches to Stairs.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."

123124125

He's broken.

This has to be a failed attempt at showcasing him.

The sad thing is that you could see that ball being smoked as soon as it left Farnsworth's hand. Total meatball from a unreformable meathead.

Now he is talking shit to the fans? WTF?

123 124 125 127 Well, Farnsy has not exactly been 'inconsistent'--Joe's right on that one.

Papi flys out with a leaping catch against the monster, and Pet-roya is doubled off first. 8-1 after 7.

129 Riiii-ght.

133 If the sox lose, and the yankees lose, it's going to make losing feel worse. At some point we have to start making up ground.

And Worthless' ERA doesn't even go up.

Ok, A-Rod, a clutch HR would be really, really nice right here.

122 If making the playoffs means another 3-year deal for Clueless, then I think i'd opt for the team crapping out. Having said that, we shouldn't have to choose. All that prevents this team from making a real run is the manager and his dependence on underperformming veterans.

I think Bobby's headed into another swoon. Another weak-ass AB. At least he didn't try to bunt again.

Joe is looking for Alex to bail him out yet again.

136 run may be unearned but the loss is very well earned.

what the hell is wrong with this umpire? that pitch was down and in.

How many times has F'wacker gone 1-2-3 this year? Anyone know? Because in a game like this that is what you have to expect when you bring someone in. Did ANYONE expect that? Joe?

You know what's amazing, Kyle can have no one on base and I'm sure he's going to give up a run. Mo can have a runner on third and no outs, and I'm sure he's going to get out of it.

142 Once.

142 2 or 3 times in forty appearances, or something like that.

What makes me feel worse is that not one reporter will challenge Joe's use of Farnsworth and at no point will he even think he made a bad move.

Man I wish we had Shelly Duncan to PH here.

Come on Cano...swing at strikes!!!

c'mon excuse me blooper from Cano....!

142 4 times.

Robbie inspires no confidence.

141 Should the run be unearned, since he scored on a double that got past Matsui? Is that a judgement call by the scorer?

147 that might be going a little too far. he might be good but i don't think he'll be pinch hitting for cano anytime soon.

152 Worthless' error is what caused it to be unearned

153 Against a lefty?

152 that's a good question i was just listening to michael kay and didn't think about it. never a good idea.

155 i mean we haven't even seen him in the majors yet. maybe, but i probably wouldn't.

Another horrible AB for Cano with RISP. That leaves the 9th inning set up rather weakly. I really wish Gibbons would have pulled a Torre and brought in one of his weakest pitchers in the 8th inning.

Well, saw that coming,

we all know Cano is swinging at the next pitfch

154 Right, but as I asked, would the runner have scored from first (ie, no error) on the double? Is that up to the discretion of the scorer? Or must the scorer by rule only assume the runner would have gone two bases (first to third) on the double?

ugh

158 i'm not trying to make excuses for him but that was a pretty nasty pitch. 3 of them actually (except maybe strike 2)

He didn't throw a strike in that entire at-bat.

Does Gibbons send a thank you card to Torre after the game or when the series is over?

Joe should at least give Edwar a shot here, but nooooooooooooooooooo. He'll just sit in the dugout shaking his head as if he had nothing to do with what happened in the 8th.

Edwar? Edwar? Bueller?

"if you're looking ahead to the bottom of the 9th inning, just stop"

What a great showcase for the 07 Yankees. Damon pathetic, Farnsworth pathetic, Robbie swinging helplessly at one breaking ball after another with RISP. He never had a chance in that at-bat.

What makes Farnsworth even worse is that he had the nerve to bark at the fans coming into the dugout! Not only does he suck, he doesn't understand that he needs to get better. But what can you do? The Cubs, Braves, Tigers et al., must have all been wrong about him, and Cashman is right.

Sigh, to think this could have been the 8th.

170 I missed that

171

No, you have to make at least $3,000,000 or have been in the league 5 years, or be Mo, to pitch the 8th for Joe Torre.

Where are the "Joe was an MVP," and "Joe doesn't pitch," and "Joe knows more than we do about baseball" people on the banter today? Chirp fucking chirp chirp.

86 I agree with you, but its about 11 years too late for that. I remember cursing at Torre when he'd bring in Nelson in tight spots the year Nelson was useless - but then there was always Stanton to call on to bale him out, because there were two 8th inning guys.

Another year the roles were reversed - Nelson was lights out, but Joe would go to Stanton (who sucked) first.

129 Probably, but its time to stop showcasing Farnsworth. With every run allowed, and every poor performance, he just loses more value.

173 mo qualifies under the 1st 2 requirements.

the question about whether it's worth it to not make the playoffs to get rid of torre is off. the question is whether we could make the playoffs even without him. who is going to be a good manager for us? girardi is hard to judge because he seems too nice to argue a lot, but he also says a lot of questionable things. what if he's just as bad? did anyone actually watch him manage in florida? didn't he make some questionable calls in spring training or something?

We get to see Damon as the last out of the 9th!

Slow developing single there. That looked a lot better than that off the bat.

Please don't bunt! Please!

174 I've never heard anyone at the Banter argue that Torre was an MVP, or that he knows more about baseball than we do, and thus he shouldn't be questioned. WTF? Relax, dude.

Well at least Andy can still play.

Its one thing when the manager has no effect on the guys when they are really trying to win. But he shouldnt be actively thwarting them.

I like both these moves.

no bunt! no bunt! no give away outs dammit!

please dont bunt

Hit and run? With Phillips?

Oh no, we'll have Damon up with 1 out and a runner on third.

180

That is exactly what I was told the last time Farnsworth imploded. But Im like Giambi, I wont name names:)

Go Miggy Henderson!

looked out

186 Cairo

I would have no problem with letting Milky swing away...go for the win

186 Missed that...Cairo is in the game.

DON'T $##@'IN BUNT!!!!!!!!!!

God fucking damnit to motherfucking hell.

WHAT THE FUCK!!! WHY...NO OUTS!!!!

bunt should have definately been off there! Three chances for a hit!

Oh man, horrible, horrible, horrible baserunning. There's NO outs.

Oh my God! Are you kidding me?

Oh that is disgusting by BOWA!

What the hell was he running at? He was three feet away from homeplate even if Zaun wasn't there.

Cairo didnt even have a line to the plate? What the hell?

Cairo is an ass...what a horrible slide. Bowa should take some real heat for that move...it was an all-time awful send.

Did Bowa try to score on that too?

Uhhhh, why send Cairo with first and third with no one out?

Should the third base coach end up standing at home plate?

may have been safe with a better throw

Is Bowa a blue jay??

That was bad. I guess even the best baserunner on the team screws up sometimes. :-P

Melky! Now Damon, please please please do something useful here.

Now the inevitable failure to score will be even more depressing. I predict pop up and hard liner.

I love you Melky. Too bad you'll be benched for Damon when Giambi comes back.

Ok, Captain is up in the clutchiest clutch situation of all.

Maybe Bowa was just being a good soldier by trying to take the heat off Joe. Now, the post game will be about Bowa's gaffe instead of Joe's.

This is sora like "who wants to lose more."

Um, what the ______ just happened? Cairo out at the plate? Bad slide? Bowa being too aggressive? Haven't they seen Rios's arm?!?!?!

Send em home Soho!

Damon manages to do the one thing he's good at these days- walk.

Come on, Cap!

The Yankees are doing everything to win despite their COACHES! Someone put duct tape over JOE and Larry's eyes and mouths- tape them to a chair and let the players win!

Suicide squeeze?

HA!

Thank you Mr. Accardo.

ok great but this is my least favorite rule in baseball

Balk baby! Joe did everything he could, but we still tied the game.

Bizarre.

MELKY! ON HIS OWN!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A-Rod walkoff grandslam?

And while I'm typing a comment advocating a safety squeeze, they balk home the tying run.

217 That's a great way to look at it...if this team showed up with no coaches today, they'd be showering in the clubhouse with a win.

Um, or that... reminds me of Cone's game-losing balk against the Mets.

Stupid rule, but I'll certainly take it.

222 They still need one more run to avoid putting the game back in his hands.

this kinda feels like playoff baseball.

232

For the Yankees, it is.

Where is my Cap i tan?

Damn...I thought Jeter was going to come through. That check swing really changed the AB.

Who does he go to, Villone? Lol.

So... who's gonna play first base?

IF BOBBY does not try to pull this we are good and its a walk off

Well, Bobby was sure as hell hustling there.

Just remember we're playing a 10th because of Andy Phillips and Melky Cabrera. No one else.

Extra innings is not where the Yankees want to be with this bullpen. They let a huge opportunity get away there.

214 It was both. Bowa shouldn't have sent Cairo, but he was so far off the plate with that lame-ass slide it was ridiculous. He didn't have a chance. He'd have missed the plate even if no one was there.

And he may have hurt himself.

All that, and the best they can do is tie the game? It's better than losing of course, but come on.

232 Its got to feel that way the rest of the season, or the season is over. Every game counts, more than usual.

OK, tied going into extra innings. Does Bruney come back out, or are we going to see Myers or Villone, because the first two guys up are lefties?

237 Um, that's a good question.

239 Bruney should get some credit too.

237 The back-up first baseman, you silly: Cairo.

Or was Cairo really hirt on that play? I guess then you move Posada to 1B and play Nieves at C.

239 To be fair, Miguel Cairo tried his fucking damndest as well.

Hasn't Viz pitched a bunch the last few days? Is Mo not available?

they should have won it though

241 Thanks.

Cairo better get his ass out there at 1B! For that teeball slide!

Good Job Joe...Bruney was way too effective in the 9th to warrant another inning. The Yankees let the Bluejays off the hook and Torre is back to work on handing the game back.

241 I think he was trying to sneak around Zaun.

247 Good point, apologies.

Quick 3 outs, just get the game to A-rod.

246 Hurt.

I spall and tipe realy goood.

248

MO. Are you kidding me? Joe Torre bring in MO here? Wow! Have you met Mr. Torre?

246 Or you can move Damon to first and lose the DH. I think Bruney is a better hitter than Nieves.

Cairo looks like he's hurting bad.

249 Yes, but . . .

248 I was going to be sarcastic, say something about the formula and saves, but I'd rather Mo be held back for the meat of the lineup.

241 Are you serious? Zaun had the plate totally blcoked and Miggy tried to go around him. Would you slide head first into a Zaun wearing gear?

It was either through him or around him. Not a lot of time to decide.

Bowa really screwed the pooch- and I am sure he knows it...never make the first out at home or third...especially in a game like this.

Why does Halladay get that pitch all game and now nothing! THIS UMP sucks!

258 Right, but who's the better 1B, Posada or Damon?

Aha, Cairo is out there. Mute point.

9-3, bottom of the 9th in Boston.

261 You should never slide head first into home. If Cairo goes feet first into the plate, he would have had a good chance to be safe. It was a bad decision compounded by an awful slide.

On a side note, Cairo could have been called out for interference because Bowa ran all the way down the line. If the umps determined that Bowa distracted the defense, Cairo would have been an automatic out.

Cairo should have slowed up, let Bowa pass him and block Zaun and then dove in for the TD!

moot

265 Is Boston up?

261 Agreed. He was out by a mile, would only score on a bad throw. Either Cairo or Bowa made a bad, bad decision.

264 Moot point...

This is disgusting.

Strong throw to second nips the runner.

Quick question, how much better would people feel if the relievers still available were Britton and Henn, instead of Myers and Villone?

Great throw Vizcaino- was that ball hot...or did the music just stop.

260 Also Mo has pitched three days in a row. According to my quick research, Mo has never pitched four days in a row in his career.

Who's throw day is it? I'd go to them, after Edwar.

9-3, bottom of the 9th in Boston.

Is Jim Leyritz available?

274 I'd have been very comfortable with Britton or Edwar in the 8th inning and then Bruney, Viz or Proctor in the 8th depending on who is throwing well.

I would think its Moose's throw day. I don't think old schedule nazi is going to be coming in.

Game over in Boston

It never fails...botch an easy DP and you pay big time.

268 271

: )

Yep, I'm having an unusually illiterate day.

264 Posada might be better, but probably not by enough to make up for Nieves's defence behind the plate.

But yeah, moot point.

wastes bruney to begin extra innings what a smart move

Wow, just imagine if that had been the 8th?

BALLSY pitch VIZ!

285 Huh? What was wrong with using Bruney for 2?

I can't remember the last time I saw a major league hitter that far out in front of a pitch.

I love how Torre now holds Mo for the lead when they're at home. Brilliant!

Just end it.

284 You're right--I forgot that Nieves can't hit or play defense, and Moose isn't pitching.

Müt point!

Ok, here we go, its defnitely A-G-d time.

286

By my math, that makes 4 consecutive ineffective innings for Farny. How many does it take exactly? One for Edwar, ten for Farny?

290 A really crappy strategy on the road, makes double the sense at home!

290 Mo...not...available...tonight.

Thought that was going to be called a strike.

Question: Has A-Rod been as good in the field tonight as Sterling has made it sound?

MAKE THEM PAY GODZILLA

290 Better to have Mo face Rios, Wells, and Glaus, than waste him on Clark, Overbay, and Hill.

I would have used Bruney for a second inning, but I don't have the Wheel of Guts.

exactly the value of AROD.

288 exactly

Well, there goes their best chance to score.

298 He did make some slick plays.

And Jim/Schteeve/Vandelay: Mo is not available. Get over it.

298 Yes...he has made several great plays.

296 What? Really? Because he's thrown 38 innings this year?

dble play scares me here

302 Sorry, I forgot that he warmed up and then was taken out. Confused me.

307 I didnt want to be the one to say it

294 Of course, Joe will finally use Edwar after weeks of inactivity. Then, for some reason, he wont have command of the change and get hit hard, at which point, Joe will confirm his thesis that young pitchers can't be trusted in a pennant race.

That looked good.

That really sucks...it really does...sucks...a lot.

304 What part of "Mo has never pitched four consecutive games" did you not figure out. Said Torre before the game, regarding Mo's lack of work in the first half, and whether it meant he could be used more in the second half:

"If the doctor lets you have an ice cream a day. That doesn't mean you can save up 30 days and have them all on the last day of the month. That's not really healthy,."

Why do we mock when Proctor gets used every day and worry about him burning out, but it's okay to use Mo four straight days and five out of six?

306 See 276.

AHHHH

Oh man...sooooo close....

I hate Sterling. Why can't he just hold the fucking call until he's sure?

Fuckwad.

Matsui was trying to hold him back too. Nice play by Alex.

307 Another mute point. :-)

Hobbsian.

"A-Rod goes to second! And he goes to second."

Is there anything Arod hasn't done this year. Offense - A+; Defense - A+; Baserunning A+; Clutchness - A+

His new nickname should be A+Rod.

Nice AB by Matsui.

Oh, I predict another HA! on a popup. Isn't Clark in the game?

313 Uh, maybe cause there might be no reason to "save" Mo - this week, this month, or this year.

Haven't we already learned that lesson? So he can pitch in a blowout on Thursday?

Maybe not.

underated in baseball altogether- why not more stolen bases on balls that get away?

What an icky way to end a great at bat.

323 Uhm...maybe not.

SHIT!!!!!!!!

That was an Igawa strikeout. Matsucky

329 see 326 :)

TAKE IT PERSONALLY, ROBBIE

This has double play written all over it.

325 Maybe Mo's shoulder is a bit tired? Do you really want to see him blow it out? I have no problem at all with Mo being unavailable with how much he's pitched lately.

Cano with RISP - .206 BA. Yikes.

Duz Arod swipe third? and they say "HA!"

ROBBIE!

HA!

336 Make that > .206!!!!!

Well, all that worked out then. So many me-ut points now.

HELL F'ING YES!!!

325 I don't think it's an issue of "saving him," so much as figuring his effectiveness would be greatly lessened.

Any, Cano makes this a...

MUTE POINT!!!

Cano nize him!

That a BOY Robbie!!!!!

325 No, so he can pitch period. You are a piece of work.

I wonder if Arod said anything to Glaus on the way by.

I hope A-Rod yelled HA in Toronto's dugout as he rounded 3rd.

So the only poor moment of this game=Kyle Farnsworth. That's 8 back from Boston, 6 back from the Indians.

shit - Bowa's been in the way all night- does he have an inner ear infection or something?

340 Whoo for .206 and percentage points!

Wow. That was close. It would've been unbelieveably bad had Rodriguez collided with Bowa.

344 St. Robinson, patron saint of all who swing at pitches way out of the zone, and miss.

HA!

"Here's comes A-Rod....He hits home plate.....
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[Why the big pause?]

Duuuuuuhhhh.....Yaaannnnkkeeeesss Wiiiinn!!!"

Even on a good win, that fuckwad screws it up.

Michael Robinson? Kim Jones...my god woman.

And this STUPID fucking McDonalds commercial kills my mood.

Maybe Kyle can be the mopup man? I'd love to see Joe stick him in one day in the 4th innings and every inning just keep sending him out saying, "Who are you looking at Kyle? Just go on back out there."

Tonight it was the Yankees versus the Blue Jays + Farnsworth + Torre + Bowa's inner ear infection + Umpire's generous zone for Halladay and in the end it was still "THE YANKEES WIN, THUUUUUUUUH Yankees Win!"

And they celebrate like they just won a playoff series or something. :)

Boy, I thought 2005 was nerve-wracking. That was just one month of playoff-like games. Am I going to survive 2-1/2 months of playoffs?

354 She said, "Thanks Michael (sic) Robinson." The (sic) was a missing comma.

356

If only my friend, if only. He's still the 8th inning guy, notwithstanding his channeling of the Tigers middle relief's pickoff move from the WS.

Boo Fucking Ya!

Farns & Meyers need to go - they're just taking up roster space. They could be useful as mop up-ers, but that'll never happen, so ship them both to Philly for their BUC & a nobody from their farm. Good riddance & hello Chris Britton.

359

Good point. I was a little jumpy after they won it.

Nice to win a game where 1 through 3 go 0 for 13 with 4 K and 10 LOB.

And Tavarez goes tomorrow for the rubber game. There's hope in Mudville.

354 She didn't call him Michael Robinson. She was taking the handoff from Michael Kay. "Michael" was her saying goodbye to Kay.

Just imagine if Torre and Cashman actually trimmed some fat on this team and developed great big huge balls to put the best team out there...bring in some young studs to balance this slowly building avalanche and this could be a special year...but if F'Whacker and Myers stay we are not going to have enough.

363 Another mewt point!

; )

Over the last 10 games, we have gained 4 on Boston and 4 on Cleveland. This indeed, will be a brutal season.

361 Swapping out Britton for Myers and picking up a Hatteberg or Dmitri Young for cheap (maybe Farnsworth + cash) would be two significant changes that I think would make a difference.

Freddy in the MLB Dreams commercial....sweet!

368 They've been down this path before. If it's four or five games at the deadline, then maybe I get excited. I'm still sticking with my prediction from a month ago that the deficit is just too big this year.

I think someone would want Farnsy and his 102 mph fastball. He was a closer, and maybe could be again.

Did anyone else see how happy A-Rod was when Robbie hit that? He looked just as happy as when he hit the walkoffs. Say what you will about him, but he really does seem to want to win badly.

372 He's got such great stuff! He's used to closing!

372

Yes, the Dodgers want him or Proctor. Texas could use him, and Cincinatti needs to dump Dunn. But this team doesn't "deserve" reinforcements.

Bobby Jenks is an ass.

WPA has a funny take on Melky's game tonight.

Melky went 3 for 4, singled, stole third and scored the tying run in the ninth, and his Win Probability Added? -0.35, second worst on the team tonight.

376 I said this last year and I'll say it again now. ESPN always rants about what a great closer Jenks is, but he gives up a LOT of runs for a late inning reliever.

I like the YES team's dress casual outfits.

377 Can you elaborate?

371 I'm an optimist, but I have to say that I agree for now...eight games back is eight games back. However, I think this team is capable of playing .700 ball for a stretch of 50 to 60 games, just like the As, Twins, Indians, and Yankees have all done the last 4 years.

The only problem is that even at that pace, they need help. If the Sox and Indians really do come back to earth or fall on some misfortune, then yes, I'll start scoreboard watching more seriously.

According to Suzie:

Q: Can you take Farns out of the 8th inning?

Torre: What does it matter what inning he comes in?

380 I can't elaborate because I don't know the niceties of WPA. Look on fangraphs.

They got the line right, and by the graph, Melky is properly credited with a boost for his single in the ninth, but on balance WPA says he hurt the Yanks tonight.

381 The Indians have a very tough schedule in their division. I think the wild card is a lot more realistic at this point.

381 The Sox really are coming back to earth. The first half surge was built on Wakefield tossing 2.x era, schilling tossing eq=200 innings of 3.5, same for Beckett at DiceK, and Varitek, Youk, Pedroia (post april) and Lowell way playing WAY over their heads, while Papi was pretty much himself (with a couple less homers), and Manny swooning & coco, lugo & drew pretty much sucking. Also the bullpen wasn't exposed because the starters were going so deep.
Manny is still swooning, and the over-their-heads guys are coming down. Wakefield is almost at a 5 era, schilling is out, and Beckett & DiceK are looking at like high 3 ERAs (and i still think DiceK is their best pitcher, inconsistent as he's been...)

I still think catching them is highly improbable, but it's not impossible (think injury to Oritz, and remember his knee is barking, and maybe more time on the DL for Beckett or DiceK, who's agent is squawking about his workload) that the yanks overtake the sox. what a hoot that would be. Of course, shaking out the Yanks roster would be a prerequisite to making a run...

Torre just said Worthless threw the ball well.

386 Hit hit 105 on the gun with that pick-off throw.

386 He did, that ball to first was 90+

387 True--he just blew Andy Phillips away with that heater!

Joe: "There's really nothing to do in that dugout between innings than look at the scoreboard".

I assume he means besides review matchups, plan strategy and try to come up with a better reason for using Farnsworth than simply stating he is my 8th inning man.

386 The sad thing is I really think he believes it. As nice a win as this was, it illustrates the (even more) up hill battle the Yankees will have as long as Torre remains at the helm.

386 At what point does it begin to register with everyone that: 'Hey, we're trying to trade this bum already, so stop asking me these stupid f*cking questions.'? Take it easy. It'll all be over soon...

392 There's one small problem with that logic -

He was put into a close game in the eighth inning - again.

392 Do you honestly believe that other GMs will be swayed by Torre's post game comments? Even if you are trying to trade him, that doesn't excuse his continued use in high leverage situations. I'd rather just cut him than lose 1 game in an attempt to showcase. Cashman should simply make the case that Farnsworth has a good arm but hasn't handled the NY pressure well (which is really bull), and then offer to send him along with some cash for just about anything he can get in return.

393 Exactly. With the brass praying for a 1-2-3 power inning, and the deal would be done tonight. P.T. Barnum, baby...

394 C'mon. Who would think a GM would be swayed by spin? They have eyes. But they also have weaknesses. They see 100mph and the thought that they'll be the one to set him straight. Happens time and time and time again. Sell high, brah. If Farns was lights out tonight, Cashman would have on the phone '4AM.

396 Your saying that there is a GM out there who would allow one inning to override Farnsworth's entire season? You really believe that? If such a moron exists, then I don't think he'd even need to see one good inning. The bottom line is that the Yankees need to win every game and there is no reason why Farnsworth should ever pitch a high leverage inning.

397 Yup.

pavano - verb - To hold onto a player long past their expiration date because their future once held promise in the eyes of the general manager.

"Cashman has been pavanoed on Farnsworth for so long that there's no chance he'll ever trade him."

397 Farnsworth has played on four teams in the last four years, which although bespeaking a certain journeymanism, also shows that more than one GM has been been willing to trade for/sign him.

Look around the league--there are tons of mediocre and worse relievers, and a surprising number of them continue to find employment as they rotate from team to team. If you're LH, you can find a job. If you throw hard, you can find a job.

The question is not whether Cashman can find a GM who would take him. Rather, the questions are A] What would they get in return? B] How much salary do they have to eat? C} Will Cashman actually trade him if a deal is there?

Hey, the boys not only won the day Igawa pitched, but also the day Doc pitched. Nice. And Farnsworth, maybe he can go for the old school sport goggles next time. Preferably not in the 8th inning. Shut 'em down tomorrow, Rocket.

397 You miss the point. When you want to move a guy, you put him out there, you don't hide him. Your bottom line is the Yanks need to win every game. Their bottom line might just be to get rid of this guy right now so they have a better shot to win in the remaining 71 games. A solid outing or two will bring a better deal.

Sounds illogical, but that's what happens. Everyone knows what Farns is, but again, there is no shortage of think tanks on teams that believe they can turn straw to gold. Apparently this organization was one of them, and don't fret, there are more in line.

400 i think Farnsworth needs to let go of inhibitions. My solution? He should wear a blindfold on the mound and then uncork that 100 MPH heater.

402 He thinks too much. He just needs to throw. Preferrably in the direction of home plate. Whichever guru can unlock that in Farns noodle will be manager material...

402 But with the blast shield down how will I be able to see?

404 Wonderful!

No one is going to read this, but I agree with Bklyn about Farnsworth.

397 As for a GM dumb enough to let a small sample size overrule a large body of work, the line starts with Jim Hendry of the Cubs, who's followed at least by Wayne Krivsky, Bill Bavasi, and Dave Littlefield. Terry Ryan of the Twins, for all his savvy, also seems to have "veteran pitcher fetish" - how else do you explain Ortiz and Ponson?

100 MPH and that shiny "C" for closer blind a lot of people. Remember Billy Koch?