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2007-07-10 09:38
by Alex Belth

Dude, it is hot in New York. Dog Day Afternoon/Do The Right Thing Hot. Hey, anyone stay up and watch The Bronx is Burning? The Home Run Derby put me to sleep. I did wake up to catch a few minutes of the mini-series and thought it was a mess. But I only saw a few minutes. Was it any good?

Meanwhile, links: Pete Abraham on Phillip Hughes; Jack Curry on Alex Rodriguez; SG on the Bombers' offense at the break; John Helyar on George Steinbrenner, and, finally, Steven Goldman caught up with Dr. Bobby Brown and Rick Cerrone last weekend at Old Timer's Day. Check it out. The bit with Cerrone is especially good.

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2007-07-10 10:13:11
1.   standuptriple
Not to brag, but I saw it live and enjoyed it. Bonus: I didn't have to hear Berman say "Back, back, back" all evening.
2007-07-10 10:21:48
2.   JL25and3
0 Just saw Do The Right Thing again the other day. It's still an astonishing movie, still the best he's ever made. Too bad about the Bill Lee music, but the Public Enemy kicks ass.

And I've loved Dog Day Afternoon since it came out. The opening sequence - various shots of NY in summer, with the Elton John tune whose name I can't remember - is one of the best New York sequences on film.

2007-07-10 10:32:34
3.   Jim Dean
BTW: Sandomir has quotes ion the ESPN early leaking/"no BBTN platform for you!" fun times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/10/sports/10sandomir.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin

2007-07-10 10:32:55
4.   alsep73
The performances of the actors playing George, Billy and (especially) Reggie are all very good, but it's a really disjointed production. The archival footage isn't integrated very well with the new material, and they're really half-baking it with the rest of Mahler's book, relegating the election and other stories to more archival footage but giving the Son of Sam storyline its own set of actors. Better that they had just eliminated everything but the Yankee storyline than do this weird fish-nor-fowl adaptation where it feels like a sports story with a police procedural awkwardly welded on.
2007-07-10 10:48:59
5.   Cliff Corcoran
2 "Amorina" (sp?) -- one of my all-time favorite movies, if not my very favorite.

On Bronx Is Burning, Oliver Platt's Steinbrenner is damn good, but I agree that it's a bit of a mess. I'll give a few more weeks to hit stride, but I think 4 nails my impressions of the first episode.

2007-07-10 10:54:52
6.   Zack
I looked at the weather report today and thanked my lucky stars I live in San Diego. Memories of New York in the 90s with 50% humidity are not fond ones for me...
2007-07-10 11:00:34
7.   mehmattski
From the Goldman-Cerrone interview, I find it interesting that Cerrone took great offense to Guidry playing CF in that game. If I remember it was all in good fun to the NY fans and players, and people have joked that Mo Rivera should do something similar sometime, since everyone on the Yanks says he'd make a great outfielder. If injury wasn't a concern, it'd be neat to see. But I wonder how many opposing players would take offense to that.

But to them, I'd just say: HA!

2007-07-10 11:03:04
8.   Start Spreading the News
For those interested, I posted the defense metrics links in the previous thread.
2007-07-10 11:09:16
9.   Mike from Hoboken
Yep, I stayed up (sooo sleepy today). Really liked what I saw so far. I'm figuring/hoping that the threads we saw last night get knit together better over the next few weeks.

Impressions:
--Turturro's Martin is incredible--uncanny.
--It's amazing how feeble George has become in recent years.
--I had forgotton what a trip Mickey Rivers was
--The guy playing Breslin was so spot-on that I expected him to break into a Piel's commercial ("That's why I like Piel's. It's a good drinkin' beeh.").
--Caught Giambi's cameo. Heh.
--And Gawd, Abe Beame--the last time I saw someone who looked that overmatched it was Farnsworth with men on base.

2007-07-10 11:12:54
10.   Shaun P
1 Where were you sitting? That places looks so gorgeous. I think I've convinced my wife that we need to take a trip to SF sometime and see a Giants game.

Between the interviews that limited commentary on the first round, and the general lack of homers in the first and third rounds, there weren't nearly as many "back back backs" as usual. Dusty and Joe Morgan were also very entertaining, for a change.

Haven't watched TBIB yet. Its sitting on the TiVo, waiting for me to get a minute of free time. I really need to get that book.

2007-07-10 11:16:10
11.   Start Spreading the News
10 The book is great. I highly recommend it.
2007-07-10 11:22:15
12.   cult of basebaal
8 thanks for the links, not that anybody in that thread will actually take the time to read them ... glad i checked out of that one halfway through ...

10 i've only been there once, for game 3 of the NLDS Giants v Marlins in 2003, but it's a gorgeous park and well worth the trip

2007-07-10 11:25:25
13.   cult of basebaal
i had seats here:

http://www.seatdata.com/html/mlb_giants/section_mlb_giants_310.htm

really, really nice angle and plenty close ... i'm a big fan of good upper deck behind home plate (or close to it) seats

2007-07-10 11:28:29
14.   unpopster
2 here's the opening credits to 'Dog Day Afternoon':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-3wza6rnck

2007-07-10 11:29:59
15.   standuptriple
10 Club level, second deck looking down the 3B/LF line. Tremendous seats, but I've sat just about everywhere in that park and can honestly say there is not a bad seat in the house. I would suggest making the trip, especially if you want to escape summer temps. Didn't need a jacket last night, but if it had gone an hour later I would have wanted one.
2007-07-10 11:33:58
16.   standuptriple
10,12,13

http://www.seatdata.com/html/mlb_giants/section_mlb_giants_211.htm

Nice little site

My favorite seat ever was here...

http://www.seatdata.com/html/mlb_giants/section_mlb_giants_110.htm

(handicap seats, front row)

But the arcade is pretty cool too...

http://www.seatdata.com/html/mlb_giants/section_mlb_giants_147.htm

2007-07-10 11:39:11
17.   pistolpete
14 Damn you! Now I have to go rent it...
2007-07-10 11:48:37
18.   Shaun P
13 15 Thanks!
2007-07-10 11:49:38
19.   vockins
I love me some 77 Yankees and John Turturro, but I was seriously non plussed by last night's episode. Just bumbling. It's going to have to get good fast.
2007-07-10 11:50:14
20.   OldYanksFan
3. Red Sox, 5-1

"This would be a coup that Larry Lucchino would appreciate, taking A-Rod away from the "Evil Empire" and then setting him on the pinstripers 19 times a year. "They love that kind of PR," one competing GM said. Several baseball executives called the Red Sox the likely landing spot - after all, the Sox tried to trade for him before he became a Yankee. Rodriguez might have his pick of positions, too, because third baseman Mike Lowell will be a free agent and the Sox are disenchanted with shortstop Julio Lugo, who's hitting .197. The Sox might have to move Lugo's contract, though, a four-year, $36-million albatross signed before this season. But they could have plenty of A-Rod dollars free if they get rid of Manny Ramirez and don't re-sign Curt Schilling."

This could ruin baseball for me.

I also read a few of SSTN's links. It's interesting stuff, but still does not go into enough detail about the formulas, so it's imposible to analyze.

Also, the guys who come up with these stats are obviously 'selling them'. They are not exactly impartial.

2007-07-10 11:57:00
21.   jedi
6 i'm sorry, i'll take today's heat over anyday i have to live with the worry that the whole city of san diego can go under water when the big one comes.

don't me wrong, i love san diego to visit, but it pays to live in paradise.

2007-07-10 11:58:45
22.   pistolpete
20 Deep down I'd like to think that never in a million years would A-Rod defect to the Sawx, but I guess anything could happen.

Would just be interesting to see the 180 flip by the fans up there after basically ridiculing him for going on 4 years now...

2007-07-10 11:58:53
23.   Shaun P
20 I think A-Rod is now too Northeast media-savvy to even think about playing in Boston.

I still believe he stays put.

2007-07-10 11:59:53
24.   williamnyy23
8 Thanks....I look forward to reading the ones I hadn't seen before, although several are familiar. Ironically, it seems as if this field of research is more antagonistic than cooperative, as each system proponent seems to very skillfully poke holes in the others (which goes back to the point about defensive metrics not yet attaining a sufficient level of credibility).

Thanks again...I think the defense of defensive metrics can rest until further work is completed.

2007-07-10 12:02:31
25.   mehmattski
21 A common joke is that the fearful easterners will get theirs when everything east of the San Andreas Fault falls into the Atlantic Ocean.

And besides, when the ice caps melt, Manhattan is just as under water, being under sea level and all. Not to mention the threat of even a category 3 hurricane, which modelling shows can happen to NYC and would drown the entire island.

2007-07-10 12:09:19
26.   williamnyy23
I still find it hard to believe that the Yankees would be willing to let Arod go, especially when you consider they have the benefit of a $21mn subsidy thanks to the generosity of the Texas Rangers. Let's assume that if Arod opts out he would be able to sign a $175mn/7 year deal ($25mn per). Well, that means the Yankees only have to sign him to a $88mn/4 year extension to match the hypothetical offer. As long as the Yankees can get Arod to sign an extension before he opts out, they would then be able to subtract $21mn off the total cost. I can't see the Yankees being outbid when they start off $21mn ahead of everyone.

As long as its about money, the Yankees should be in good shape. My biggest concern is that Arod will either want to get out of New York or come to the opinion that the Yankees will not be contenders over the next few seasons. Otherwise, the ball is in the Yankees court.

2007-07-10 12:09:41
27.   Zack
25 Besides which, San Diego is pretty safe from Earthquakes, as the fault runs inland from here. Tsunamis, wildfires, mudslides, and global warming, however, are the enemies, not to mention soccer moms in SUVs...

However, 21 there is no way I can live here forever, the East Coast, heat and all, beckons me home...at some point...

2007-07-10 12:11:58
28.   williamnyy23
6 This is nothing compared to what I experienced in Baltimore during the Yankees series. After that, I almost felt like pulling on a sweater this morning.
2007-07-10 12:19:26
29.   ny2ca2dc
28 Word; glad another Banterite was there to share the soup. I chickened out for the last 2 games (more because of the traffic than anything), but i snapped a cell phone pic that shows the steam of that night in the lights - the steam was as thick as San Fran morning fog! (Hey look, reference back to SF/ASG, sweet).
2007-07-10 12:35:25
30.   Shaun P
27 I'm told Maine is rather cool in the summer, but NH-resident OldYankeeFan could maybe answer that better than I.

26 That's a great point. I don't think the Yanks will let money be an object, either. Let's say A-Rod leaves; the Yanks will need to sign a major talent to (try to) replace his bat. That's going to cost almost as much as just signing A-Rod will, and no one out there comes remotely close to replacing A-Rod's bat. So why not just sign A-Rod, since he's the best? Add in the subsidy from Texas, and its a no-brainer.

But I wonder if Boras would agree to an extension, since that would mean A-Rod does not test the market.

2007-07-10 12:46:25
31.   mehmattski
30 In the end, it is up to A-Rod. Boras is shrewd, he is responsible for much of the salary inflation the last decade, but he is also very good to his clients. If A-Rod tells Boras that he wants to stay with the Yankees, and his best chance of doing that is through an extension, then Boras will get it done.

On the open market, I'm not sure what Boras would be trying to accomplish. Normally he's trying to raise the bar for his other clients by putting above average players on high salaries. But will it really accomplish anything if A-Rod is making $10 million more than the next player as opposed to $5 million? Are there any other players that will ever reach $25 million/year?

The 3B free agent pool, meanwhile, is a whole lot of Yuck. If the Red Sox let Lowell go, then a year or two of him wouldn't be terrible.

In the end, I agree with the premise of williamnyy23 that the Yankees will start $21 million higher than any other team and try to convince A-Rod to stay off the open market. I see three years tacked on the end of A-Rod's deal for $25-$27 million each.

2007-07-10 12:46:29
32.   Zack
30 in truth, Maine is where I hope to return to, having gone to school there. Its great.

My friend from Austin, Texas swears that summer there is by far the most heinous thing imaginable, but I think a lot of that probably has to do with the fact that its in Texas...

2007-07-10 12:50:15
33.   weeping for brunnhilde
2 Agreed that's Spike's best, but if you haven't seen it, I think Summer of Sam's a close second.
2007-07-10 12:55:18
34.   weeping for brunnhilde
14 Cool.

Great shot around 1:00 in, the shot with the toll booth and the plane overhead; seems pretty clear the Sopranos opening sequence is a direct imitation.

Imitation is the highest form of flattery, right?

2007-07-10 12:55:19
35.   JL25and3
33 I did see Summer of Sam, didn't like it all that much. Malcolm X is terrific, with that tour de force by Denzel - too bad about the drawn-out ending, not to mention the obligatory and gratuitous role for Spike.
2007-07-10 12:56:10
36.   JL25and3
12 Hey, not fair.
2007-07-10 12:59:57
37.   Sliced Bread
Let's face it, everybody: A-Rod is outta here like Vladimir.

the idiot booers + the NY papers in his personal life X playing 3rd base and 2nd fiddle to Jeter = 100% opt out

And that's before factoring in other stuff like the dirty sexy money he's probably already sniffing from the likes of the Angels, Dodgers, Giants, Cubs, and yes, Red Sox.

Driving home yesterday afternoon I caught the tail-end of an interview A-Rod did with Chris Russo. Mad Dog fished but came up with nothing noteworthy or intriguing from Alex Almighty.

More revealing was an interview with Boras The Spider that followed on Michael Kay's show. I don't speak spider but he seemed to be cooly suggesting if you thought $252 million was big stuff, you ain't seen nothing yet.

I will be stunned if he's not in a new uniform before Thanksgiving Day.

The suck is yet to come, my fellow A-Rod fans.

2007-07-10 13:02:22
38.   JL25and3
37 Having nothing but speculation to work with, I'd prefer to think he's going to stay. I think he'd be a fool to leave. He does seem to be handling the tabloid crap just fine this year - he talked about that with Russo. I think the Yankees will pony up.
2007-07-10 13:04:17
39.   mehmattski
37 I wish Vladimir (Guerrero) were in here like Vladimir. Why didn't that deal happen again? Oh, right, Sheff. Blech.
2007-07-10 13:05:20
40.   Shaun P
31 The biggest "name" big bats on the market (without A-Rod) will be Bonds, Andruw Jones, and . . . that's it. (Ichiro is not a big bat, i.e., "slugger".) Barry is a special case, who probably retires or goes back to SF (again). Which just leaves Jones.

Given how crappy a year Andruw is having, he might not get a big money long term deal. So Boras could use A-Rod to push Jones's price up.

OTOH, if keeping A-Rod off the market essentially makes Jones the only big bat on the market, that could makes Jones's price skyrocket. Teams in need of a big bat (and with cash to burn) would be falling over themselves to heap money on Andruw, whether he hit .211/.310/.410 or not, because there's no one else.

2007-07-10 13:08:28
41.   Shaun P
39 You mean George. It was George who signed Sheff. If Cashman had his way, the Banter would have been filled last night with the lot of us cheering Vladi on in the HR derby, instead of . . . let's just not speak of that unpleasantness, shall we?

That the Angels, with no real big bat, would be hurting, would have been the icing on the cake. C'est la vie.

2007-07-10 13:10:39
42.   JL25and3
Zack: yeah, be thankful you're not in NY today. It's not nice. Back of my neck gettin' dirty and gritty.
2007-07-10 13:12:01
43.   williamnyy23
37 I don't disagree with you IF Arod does feel that way about New York. If the issue revolves around money though, which it often does with Boras, I can't see the Yankees forfeiting their $21mn advantage, especially because I don't think Boras needs free agency to reach his price. After all, it's not like anyone was really bidding with Tom Hicks for Arod in the first place. Now as then, Boras will name a price and it will be up to the Yankees to match it.
2007-07-10 13:13:11
44.   OldYanksFan
26 My head agrees with you... no one, considering our discount, should be able to outmoney us. I just think that NY has treated ARod really badly... to the point of effecting Mrs. Rods wardrobe.

I believe we are heading into a younger, Pitching strong team. Next year is Giambi's last. The 'new' Yankees don't look to have a lot of slugging and I believe ARod is critical to our team.

He wasn't in 2004 when we got him, but he is now. It will be a terrible lesson if ultimately this historically great player and very decent human being was driven out of NY.

I want NY to glory in all the records he breaks and to have a monument in CF.

2007-07-10 13:20:25
45.   OldYanksFan
32 Sucks in winter too.
NH gets summer heat. We usually have a hot week or 2, staying in the 90's. Remember, NY is cooled by the ocean, so even though I'm 200 miles North, it not much cooler in the summer.

Muggy as hell today. Had to get off my shaded porch and pull a few weeds from my flower garder. Its so sticky out, I was forced to dunk my feet in the stream. If this torture keeps up, I may have to head for one of 3 pristine lakes here in town.

What a bitch!

2007-07-10 13:30:31
46.   williamnyy23
45 And you can live like that? In about an hour, I'll be basking in 110 degree heat on the 6 Train platform, which really makes me pity those of you who are cooped up by nature.
2007-07-10 13:31:54
47.   Emma Span
Re: The Bronx is Burning, I pretty much agree with 4 too - solid cast, but weak writing, I thought. A lot of it felt choppy and oddly paced. Of course, just mentioning Dog Day Afternoon and Do the Right Thing in the same paragraph makes it seem that much worse by comparison...

The guy who plays Reggie was very good, I thought - Daniel Sunjata. I couldn't place him for the longest time, but I finally realized: I saw him in a really neat, funny play years ago called Take Me Out, about a very Jeter-ish superstar NY shortstop who surprises everyone by coming out of the closet one day. He really nailed it... I bet the Bronx is Burning casting director saw that, too.

2007-07-10 13:33:20
48.   Emma Span
46 110 degree heat? Optimist.
2007-07-10 13:34:22
49.   OldYanksFan
I think the real issue is how attuned ARod is to his place in history. While SF is a big city, if Bonds played on the Yankees, you LI commuters would be driving over the 'Barry Bonds Neck' bridge everyday.

I don't think the history of all of baseball outside of the Bronx equals the history of the Yankees. It really doesn't matter who you play for. When it comes to baseball history, you are a Yankee, or you're not.

Visiting players are still in awe of our stadium and its monuments to history. If ARod stays, this will be the reason. To go into Cooperstown as a Yankee, to have a Yankee uniform #13 retired, to be with the Babe, Joe and Mickey for eternity.

Nobody can offer anything even remotely close. It's a question if how well Alex understands this.

2007-07-10 13:39:39
50.   yankz
I think the Yanks have to do whatever it takes to keep A-Rod. Not only is he the only power threat, but aren't the Yankees supposed to have the immortals of the game? Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle...then A-Rod.

However, I think he's gone. Why would he play in New York, on an aging team, where many hate him, when he could be the leader on either of the young, solid teams in sunny California (with outstanding farm systems) that will be willing to throw record money at him? I couldn't blame him if he walked.

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2007-07-10 13:40:06
51.   yankz
Yeah, so 49 kind of beat me to that first part.
2007-07-10 13:50:39
52.   OldYanksFan
52 I fear him leaving, but in 2009, when we enter the new park, we will not be an old team.

Aside from Mo and Po, ARod might be the oldest guy (is ARod older then Jetes? I know its close). Oh... Mats will have one year left. But with our pitching, and Cashmans new attitude, and Andy, Moose and Giambi gone, we will have a new guard.

2007-07-10 14:00:06
53.   OldYanksFan
2009 Lineup
-----------
Ichiro - CF
Melky - LF
Jetes - 1B
ARod - 3B
Matsui - DH
Posada - C
Cano - 2B
Tabata - RF
AG - SS/trade

Damon - DL/Bench

2007-07-10 14:10:28
54.   Shaun P
For those interested:

MGL recently released UZR numbers for 2003-2007. http://tinyurl.com/2c3a52

2007-07-10 14:12:19
55.   Zack
53 If Action Jackson keeps up his pace (I really want to believe that about two months ago, "it clicked", whatever that it might be, as he has been tearing it up since). Add to that Gardner and Christian:, and I have a suspicion the Yanks won't sign a CF this off season, but go with a Melky/Gardner/Christian combo until Jackson is/isn't ready. Just my hunch. I really think next year will be a transitional one, and their FA signings might be limited to, say, Sabathia and some filler. That is, as you all say, IF A-Rod stays...
2007-07-10 14:14:47
56.   yankz
I think it's hilarious that you predict Damon to be on the DL.
2007-07-10 14:15:55
57.   Start Spreading the News
According to those numbers, of the shortstops with significant playing time, jeter was better than only, Michael Young, Christian Guzman and Angel Berroa.

Meanwhile Adam Everett and Neifi Perez were the two best.

2007-07-10 14:16:15
58.   Start Spreading the News
according to 54 that is.
2007-07-10 14:17:17
59.   alsep73
47 Emma, I had forgotten Sunjata was in "Take Me Out." More recently, he's been playing Franco on FX's "Rescue Me." He's really very good in this. The "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" monologue may be the highlight of the three episodes I've seen.
2007-07-10 14:57:55
60.   JL25and3
55 Sabathia would be nice. They've got a couple of real chunky relievers - Bruney holding the spot until Britton settles in - but no one really porky in the starting rotation. Sabathia's good for at least 0.50 guapos.

Zack - Wasn't C.C. "Rider" Sabathia the first player younger than you to hit the majors?

2007-07-10 15:39:08
61.   williamnyy23
53 Back to the drawing board...the hot rumor is Seattle and Ichiro are close to a 5 year/$100mn extension. That number shocks me. I was also pining for Ichiro, but at that price? Also, maybe Arod will really crack the $30mn mark. Of course, the irony of that would be after all these years, Arod would not have only been worth his $250mn contract, but have wound up actually being worth more!
2007-07-10 15:44:32
62.   JL25and3
I figured Ichiro! would re-up with Seattle. Replacing Hargrove with McLaren seemed like the bellwether.
2007-07-10 15:45:24
63.   JL25and3
Start Spreading The News and ShaunP - thanks for the links. Very much appreciated.
2007-07-10 16:48:21
64.   OldYanksFan
54 Has anyone taken a hard look at these numbers? Do they concur with your beliefs? Do you feel they are an accurate representation.

If so, Cano and Damon are the only Yankees in the plus column.

2007-07-10 17:13:01
65.   Zack
60 He very may well have been. It could by any number of Devil Ray though...

Sabathia is a "workhorse" (sorry Deadhorse!), a lefty, getting better, and, of course, as you mentioned, rather portly. Throw Joba Chamberlain and maybe Sanchez, plus Britton and Bruney in the pen, and we have quite a hefty pitching staff

2007-07-10 18:40:36
66.   Raf
39,41 Don't forget that in 2003, Vlad was coming off a back injury.

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