Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Take Two
2007-06-20 17:08
by Alex Belth
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to

The Yanks look to bounce back in Colorado tonight. They'll need to be on point against the Rockies best pitcher, especially seeing as how the Red Sox are beating up on the Braves in Atlanta. As we wait for the first pitch, check out our man Cliff talking about the state of the team in a podcast interview by Joe Aiello, which also features Padres news from Geoff Young, one of the best, and probably the longest-running baseball blogger on the net.

Then kicked back, relax and get ready to root like hell for our boys.

Let's Go Yan-Kees.

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2007-06-20 17:16:01
1.   cult of basebaal
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Matsui LF
Cano 2B
Phillips 1B
Pettite P

evidently, torre and cashman have been discussing whether or not to DL damon ... as I said last night, it probably should have been done after sunday's game

2007-06-20 17:22:54
2.   Shaun P
1 Agree totally on Damon. Why they waited until game 2 of 6 in NL parks is beyond me.

On another note altogether, my wife finally gave birth (this past Monday) to a healthy, smiling baby boy, and we brought him home today. Wireless Internet at the hospital is a wonderful thing. Alex, your fantastic piece about you, your dad, and Reggie was his first story - thanks for sharing, so that I could share it with him.

C'mon boys, let's get a win tonight.

2007-06-20 17:24:54
3.   cult of basebaal
2congrats! what's his name?
2007-06-20 17:29:45
4.   Shaun P
3 Thanks! His name is Matthew, because my wife liked how it sounded with our last name. I suggested "Melky" as a middle name, but was voted down - too many Ms, she said.

I got her to name our pet bird Soriano when we got him a few years ago, and since then I haven't had any luck working Yankee names in. =)

2007-06-20 17:33:05
5.   51cq24
4 you should have tried "seven." congratulations
2007-06-20 17:34:15
6.   Sliced Bread
Congratulations, to you and your wife Shaun P -- and of course your little player to be named Matthew!

Go Yanks!

2007-06-20 17:41:40
7.   Chyll Will
Congrats all around, Shaun and Mrs Shaun P! Welcome aboard, kid {;)

(Psst... since his name already begins with 'M', you can always call him 'Melky' when Mommy's not lookin' >;)

2007-06-20 17:43:16
8.   kylepetterson
2 Congrats dude. My little boy is 8.5 months now and let me tell you, when you get home from work and that little boy smiles up at you, it doesn't matter whats happened during the rest of the day, it's the best day of your life.
2007-06-20 17:50:18
9.   Cliff Corcoran
2 Congratulations to you and your wife, Shaun.
2007-06-20 17:52:48
10.   RIYank
Way to go, Shaun, and Matthew, and Mrs. P.

Hm. Some day he could close for Hughes. The age spread is less than Clemens - Hughes. And by then we'll probably need a closer...

2007-06-20 18:03:02
11.   51cq24
10 i think joba chamberlain is the next closer. just a guess.
2007-06-20 18:09:04
12.   RIYank
11 Works for me.
But when Matthew P. is ready to step up in May of 2028, Joba might have to move to set-up guy.
2007-06-20 18:11:37
13.   Mattpat11
I'm ready for some fine Yankee baseball.
2007-06-20 18:11:57
14.   mikeplugh
Congrats Shaun! It's the best thing ever to have a child. Mine is noisy as can be at nearly 6 months now, but he stops everything and totally focuses when we watch baseball together. The first time it happened, I finally knew there was a God.

On a Yankees note: Melky is back to a .368 OBP in June, which is what he did last season, but he still shouldn't lead off. Why not put Jeter there?

2007-06-20 18:13:20
15.   randym77
Gotta feel good for Andy Phillips. After all he's been through, it's nice to see him get another shot. And they really like him in the clubhouse.

Now, please don't suck, Andy.

2007-06-20 18:14:27
16.   mikeplugh
Inauspicious start to this game.
2007-06-20 18:15:33
17.   51cq24
14 jeter should be leading off. i think he should be leading off when damon plays (even when he's healthy)
2007-06-20 18:16:13
18.   Shaun P
5 - 10 12 14 Thank you all. If he shows any use of his left hand, I'm going to explain to my wife what a LOOGY is and why we should tape down his right arm. =) (Just kidding!)

8 You are so right. We also have a daughter who's 18 months, and just getting used to talking on the phone a little bit. The best phone calls I get at work are when I pick up, say hello, and hear a cute little voice say "Dad".

14 My daughter won't sit still long enough to watch games anymore, but she smiles and claps when she hears me cheering for a run or a nice play. I'm looking forward to watching many games with little Matthew.

2007-06-20 18:17:51
19.   mikeplugh
Sounds like we have the makings of a little Yankees farm system, although mine might have to go through the posting system....
2007-06-20 18:20:07
20.   Mike T
Andy with a good start retiring the side on nine pitches.
2007-06-20 18:21:50
21.   Mattpat11
18 Lets be honest Shaun. You named him Matthew P after the gleam of light that you see on the Bronx Banter every evening
2007-06-20 18:22:37
22.   Chyll Will
19 All we ask is that you keep them as far away from the Ded Sox as possible >;)
2007-06-20 18:23:08
23.   mikeplugh
Before he bats, how many hits for Andy Phillips today? And, who gets more hits Phillips or Pettitte?

I'm going with 1 hit for Phillips and none for AP.

2007-06-20 18:24:09
24.   Shaun P
19 You could always be Boras's test case to break the posting system. ;)

17 Maybe Jeter hitting leadoff would cut down on his ridiculous 4th inning sac bunts, with no outs and the pitcher throwing poorly.

His career avg/obp/slg are almost exactly the same whether he leads off or bats 2nd. The one big difference is steals. He steals more bases successfully, and is caught less often, when hitting 2nd - even when you factor in he has over twice as many ABs hitting 2nd than hitting leadoff.

2007-06-20 18:24:34
25.   51cq24
23 probably 0 for both, but at least pettitte's swings will be funny
2007-06-20 18:24:54
26.   Mattpat11
Bad swing by Matsui.
2007-06-20 18:25:53
27.   Mattpat11
23 Phillips may benefit from Colorado air. The pitches won't break, so it will be just like AAA. I think he can have four hits in the next two games.
2007-06-20 18:27:00
28.   Shaun P
18 =) Not many famous Matts in Yankeeland, after all.
2007-06-20 18:27:41
29.   Shaun P
C'mon Andy!
2007-06-20 18:28:33
30.   Mattpat11
28 For such a common name, I find there aren't too many famous Matt's in general. My Push for Pope Matthew the First died a miserable death a couple years ago.
2007-06-20 18:29:09
31.   Mattpat11
Come on Andy! Prove me wrong!
2007-06-20 18:29:42
32.   Mattpat11
Well, there's always next time AAAAndy.
2007-06-20 18:29:57
33.   51cq24
honest question: if phillips had the same career numbers but were ugly or not white, would so many people still root for him so much?
2007-06-20 18:29:59
34.   randym77
Aw, Andy. :-P
2007-06-20 18:30:58
35.   Yankees Brasil
Andy doing what was expected of him...
2007-06-20 18:33:13
36.   Mattpat11
33 Phillips has a certain charm and charisma to him. He may not be particularly good, but that and good looks attract people to him.

He's like an athletic John Edwards.

2007-06-20 18:34:35
37.   Mattpat11
Chipper has 836 hits at the Ted. 137 at Fulton County
2007-06-20 18:35:25
38.   Shaun P
30 Maybe choosing a Papal name after one of the writers of the Gospel is just too easy?

33 People think Phillips is attractive? =)

In all seriousness, I'd hope so. I think his "underdog" status gets him as many cheers as anything else. And he's an underdog, not because he's Ecksteinian in statute or Erstadian in playing, but because he should have been given a chance back in '04, and a real chance in '05, and he wasn't. Then he got hurt last year, and was buried again (maybe rightfully so).

2007-06-20 18:35:31
39.   mikeplugh
Ooph. I suppose the one thing that happens if Phillips stinks up the joint, is Cashman's hand is forced and we make a trade that may end the revolving door. I'd love to have Andy prove himself, but what is the timeframe he's allowed to do that with the deadline a month away?
2007-06-20 18:35:59
40.   mehmattski
21 Nonsense, he's named after me.

Congrats as well, Shaun.

2007-06-20 18:36:38
41.   Shaun P
40 Thanks mehmattski!
2007-06-20 18:36:44
42.   mikeplugh
Does anyone buy the Yankees' interest in Helton. The press LOVES to play that up with both of these teams meeting, but I don't see it.
2007-06-20 18:38:44
43.   ny2ca2dc
Congrats on the whippersnapper Shaun P.

Atta boy Andy, leadoff single, followed by 2 Ks, now wrap this up and get a hit!

2007-06-20 18:39:05
44.   51cq24
36 i guess my question is about what people define as "charm and charisma." it sure seems like it's the nice looking white guys who people label as nice guys and underdogs, who people root for when it's unwarranted.
2007-06-20 18:39:37
45.   ny2ca2dc
43 I jinxed it. sorry.
2007-06-20 18:39:58
46.   Mattpat11
39 We said the same thing last year. Andy fell on his face, six or seven other people played first since then, and Cashman's solution was The Stink.
2007-06-20 18:40:19
47.   mehmattski
42 I think Cashman is just sending pictures of Kyle Farnsworth and Tyler Clippard to Dan O'Dowd's blackberry.

Text of message: "Do it. Come on. Do it. You won't! Do it."

2007-06-20 18:40:40
48.   Shaun P
43 Thanks ny2ca2dc!

Don't the Rockies have a young catcher who was supposed to be all that, Chris Ianetta (I think is how you spell it). Where is he?

2007-06-20 18:41:08
49.   Mattpat11
44 Kevin Thompson gets his share.
2007-06-20 18:42:40
50.   mikeplugh
Ianetta was the starting catcher out of Spring Training, billed as Mike Piazza II with better defense, but he flopped. He had a long leash but finally they had to bench him. He'll get there, but they rushed him.
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2007-06-20 18:43:39
51.   51cq24
44 really? i don't hear it. and thompson has actually been quite good in his very limited opportunities.
2007-06-20 18:44:03
52.   51cq24
51 i meant 49
2007-06-20 18:45:36
53.   51cq24
ugh don't give yourself back spasms
2007-06-20 18:46:27
54.   mikeplugh
My wife is Japanese, and she often has a hard time with less common Western last names. Years ago when we first started dating she had a devil of a time remembering Andy Pettitte's name, so she kept calling him "Peepot". That's Andy Pettitte in our house now. "Peepot".

Better luck with the bat next time Peepot.

2007-06-20 18:47:36
55.   Mattpat11
51 Thompson is still a 27 year old career minor leaguer that has taken three years to start to figure out AAA. He has no real future and he has a pretty big following.
2007-06-20 18:47:57
56.   Shaun P
54 As long as Peepot doesn't get hurt. Remember when El Duque got hurt from swinging the bat during an interleague game a few years ago? Its fun to watch those guys bat, because its rare, but injuries take the fun out of it.
2007-06-20 18:49:27
57.   ny2ca2dc
1,2, (sorry for chiming in late) what annoys me the most is that Phelps is gone now; the best move would've been to DL Damon, call up Andy, and retain Phelps.

Isn't the rule that you can revoke a guy from waivers, with the penalty that you have to keep him on the roster the rest of the year or something? How does all that apply to a rule 5 pick anyway?

2007-06-20 18:50:12
58.   51cq24
55 i'm not saying thompson is the next bernie, but at least he has been good the few times he's played for the yankees. and i don't think his following is that big anyway.
2007-06-20 18:51:52
59.   randym77
38 Yeah, even Yankee fans like rooting for the underdog sometimes. ;-)

And Andy's had such a rough time of it. His wife's first pregnancy turned cancerous, and he couldn't be with her because he was at spring training. He said he thought about quitting baseball, but then he'd lose his health insurance, and so would she.

Then this year, his mom got t-boned by a truck, and he missed most of spring training and lost his spot on the roster.

It just seems like if anyone deserves a second chance, he does.

2007-06-20 18:52:04
60.   Max
Shaun, yet another congratulations on your new baby boy. I fondly remember my first months with my daughter watching World Series games late into the night, rocking her on my lap.

I hope Matthew can bring Andy Pettite more luck than he's had so far this season, but it looks like that may be too much to expect from the newborn, especially based on the way things are going so far tonight. :-)

2007-06-20 18:53:39
61.   Mattpat11
58 I'm not sure he's going to be the next Aaron Guiel.

And you have to wait to see an outfielder go down to hear the Thompson push hit its boiling point. Its the same with AAAAndy. If we had a first baseman, people wouldn't want to try this experiment again.

2007-06-20 18:58:28
62.   51cq24
honestly, yes is the worst channel at broadcasting baseball. and that takes a lot since all channels are bad. but how many times do they show the wrong replay, or no replay at all (just a shot of someone picking his teeth in the dugout) right after a close play or a close call like that one to bobby?
2007-06-20 18:59:48
63.   Mike T
Can someone put out an APB on our offense please.
2007-06-20 19:00:15
64.   monkeypants
This is shaping up to be another Yankees offensive snoozefest. I guess that humidor works.
2007-06-20 19:00:59
65.   Mattpat11
62 And if Kay tells that same fucking story about Troy Tulowitzki one more time I'll lose it.
2007-06-20 19:01:19
66.   mehmattski
61 But if the alternative was overpaying for some aging firstbaseman or fourth outfielder? Even if Phillips and Thompson are the definition of replacement player, the point is that they are cheap fill-ins, and if they can raise their performance to that of Average major leaguer, that's a lot of value to the Yankees.
2007-06-20 19:02:03
67.   tommyl
Argh, its Jeff Francis guys.
2007-06-20 19:04:17
68.   yankz
What the deuce? Why can't they score?

BTW, Jeter has now hit in 14 straight games. Are you f'ing kidding me?

2007-06-20 19:04:27
69.   Mattpat11
66 If we're not going to go out and get a real first baseman, I'd rather just stay the way we are than sit around and hope that this will be the year Andy Phillips figures out the curve ball.
2007-06-20 19:04:46
70.   mehmattski
67 Jeff Francis, he of an ERA+ of 126 this year? With eight starts into the seventh inning?
2007-06-20 19:05:10
71.   Yankees Brasil
67 And it was Josh Fogg yesterday, what's the deal with our offense
2007-06-20 19:05:23
72.   51cq24
the shane co. is the jeweler of the rockies! i don't know why but that cracks me up. they haven't exactly had to provide much jewelry.
2007-06-20 19:05:23
73.   yankz
Man, I feel really bad for Andy.
2007-06-20 19:07:14
74.   tommyl
70 Yeah, I'm just frustrated. It was wasn't a well thought out comment. Sorry.
2007-06-20 19:07:30
75.   Shaun P
60 Thanks, Max. My wife took a lot of pictures of my daughter and I watching her first playoff game last year. I will be very grateful if both of them get to see a Yankee World Serious win they can remember.

I also wouldn't mind if they got one when they were babies too. I could always tell them about it later. =)

Maybe if I let baby Matthew cry in front of the TV, the offense will wake up.

67 Jeff Francis is a pretty good pitcher.

2007-06-20 19:07:57
76.   Mattpat11
67 Olmec was behind the lousy offense yesterday.
2007-06-20 19:08:17
77.   51cq24
73 he's pitching beautifully. let's wait for there to be a score before we feel really bad for him. francis is good. but pettitte is better.
2007-06-20 19:08:45
78.   Shaun P
62 pitches for Francis through four. If the Yanks can really work him this inning, we may yet see the soft underbelly of the Rockies bullpen early in the game.
2007-06-20 19:08:48
79.   Mike T
Andy is having a solid night with 48 pitches through 4 innings. Our guys need to get some runs on the board to support him.
2007-06-20 19:09:12
80.   yankz
77 I was referring mostly to the year as a whole.
2007-06-20 19:09:28
81.   monkeypants
69 Yep, that's perfect logic. After all the years that the team gave Andy a chance (1, sort of), they should have learned not to bother meanwhile. So, instead of "sitting around" waiting for him to play like a major leaguer, they should proactively sit around with a back-up infielder at first base. I give up--you win.
2007-06-20 19:09:44
82.   mehmattski
74 Understandable. Amazingly the Rockies started the year with like 19 of 20 games with quality starts. Francis wasn't among those, but has had a really good May and June to make up for a bad April.

72 That commercial with the team tipping over the sleeping mascot was hilarious.

2007-06-20 19:12:46
83.   Shaun P
Or the Yanks could go up there hacking away. Sigh.
2007-06-20 19:14:22
84.   Mike T
Francis is mowing our guys down. It's a good thing Pettitte is having a great night.
2007-06-20 19:18:19
85.   Mattpat11
81 Baseball is not a charity. Neither the Yankees nor any other team in baseball is obligated to give Andy Phillips a chance.

If by the time he reaches 30 years old, not only the Yankees, but no other team in baseball deems him good enough to waste a roster spot on, that should be some kind of warning bell.

And when the only time we see him, he can't hit a breaking pitch, that, to me, paints a picture of the kind of player Phillips is.

2007-06-20 19:18:41
86.   OldYanksFan
While we still have a good offense, without Damon and Giambi, we are missing some important pieces. This team is NOT the offensive monster we had in April.
2007-06-20 19:20:35
87.   mehmattski
85 Remind me again- who do you think should be playing first base regularly for the New York Yankees?

In the future, I envision fearless leader Ken allowing us to have profiles so we can put our Yankee Fan Platforms.

2007-06-20 19:20:35
88.   ny2ca2dc
86 But nor is it the pitching nightmare we had in April. We do need another big bat to replace Giambi though, I wouldn't count on him coming back effective this year...
2007-06-20 19:22:32
89.   ny2ca2dc
Well, Andy's pitching really well, and it looks like he's going to have to win this himself - so lets get a hit Andy!
2007-06-20 19:23:39
90.   mehmattski
Andy Pettitte attempting to do something resembling hitting is the best defense of the DH rule I can think of.
2007-06-20 19:24:06
91.   Max
Andy having a really nice game. I really hope that this isn't yet another pitchers's duel where Andy blinks first (or is victimized by our defense) because our offense can't break through.
2007-06-20 19:24:26
92.   OldYanksFan
The Sox knew what they were doing when they 'let' Damon go. While I was pleased with his game last year, I was very against the signing.

Even in Boston, there were signs that his range was diminished. That, along with constant nagging injuries, made him very unattractive to me.

I hope he can come back, but I think he will not offer us much over the next 2.5 years.

I don't want A.Jones, but I'd jump on Ichiro. Still an excellent fielder, great arm, great speed, and the type of body that ages well.

2007-06-20 19:25:13
93.   monkeypants
85 I'm not arguing for charity. I'm arguing that allowing him to play 1B has a good chance to improve the team over playing Cairo. He outhit Cairo last year despite "falling on his face' (as you put it. He produced more runs in the same number of ABS, and he had a far higher RC/27 out rate. You are correct, roster spots should not be asted. But at the same time, arguing that the team should sit pat with an even worse player--a player with a ten year career of proven badness--makes no sense to me.

It seems as though you can only understand Phillips in the context of a false dichotomy--either the team gets a "real 1B" (which you have not defined: Pujols? Phelps? Tino?), or they do nothing. But building and continuing to modify a major league roster over the course of teh season does not involve such false dichotomies.

And for the record, I would prefer that they find a "real" 1B as well, but I am still convinced that playing Phillips at 1B is an imporvement over Cairo, even if marginally.

2007-06-20 19:25:17
94.   Mike T
Pettitte hits a home run to total out the scoring in his 1-0 complete game shutout win. Imagine that.
2007-06-20 19:25:19
95.   Shaun P
Gameday says its 93 degrees in Colorado right now. That humidor must be working overtime. Who would have expected pitcher duels two nights in a row?
2007-06-20 19:25:37
96.   mehmattski
Got Melk?
2007-06-20 19:26:23
97.   Mattpat11
85 I don't know. I think this problem should have been addressed months ago, because even without injury, the Stink would have put us in this same position right around now anyway.

I just don't see why Andy Phillips, who has been nothing but horrific for us, was even considered.

Hell, I'd try fellow career minor league and likely total failure Shelley Duncan before I went back to the guy who couldn't get the job done last year.

2007-06-20 19:26:27
98.   ny2ca2dc
we will get this run in. we will get this run in.
2007-06-20 19:28:17
99.   monkeypants
92 Would you pick up Abreu's option and play Ichiro at CF (Melky at BUOF), or would you move Ichiro back to RF (or LF) and play Melky in CF?

I'm not debating, just curious.

2007-06-20 19:28:34
100.   yankz
I <3 Derek Jeter
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2007-06-20 19:28:40
101.   Mike T
It's about damn time our guys scored.
2007-06-20 19:29:21
102.   3rd gen yankee fan
98 It worked!
2007-06-20 19:30:15
103.   Chyll Will
Another day, another 15 cents. Good night, people (off for home now...)
2007-06-20 19:30:33
104.   Bluebleeder87
humidor be damned, i wanna see some bombs!
2007-06-20 19:30:38
105.   monkeypants
97 OK, I disagree with you about Phillips, but I do agree that they could have (maybe should have) given S. Duncan a whirl, especially when he was hot a few weeks ago.
2007-06-20 19:31:45
106.   ny2ca2dc
102 shit ya it did.

And for all the overplaying of veteran-ness, that's a veteran, calm, cool, quality set of base running right there. Good job boys, play it like pros.

2007-06-20 19:32:02
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2007-06-20 19:32:27
108.   mehmattski
Andy Pettitte, in his 2002 appearance at Coors:

3.2 IP 8 H 8 ER 3 BB 0 K

Yanks won the game 20-10 though.

2007-06-20 19:32:49
109.   ny2ca2dc
Bomb, right now. Alex saw all his shit, and saw the giant strike zone last AB, now he punishes the ball.
2007-06-20 19:33:12
110.   3rd gen yankee fan
For the gameday people: there's a heckler yelling, "Let's go Mr. April!"
2007-06-20 19:34:34
111.   mehmattski
110 And I think it's a Yankee fan, cause he also yelled "Balk!" at Francis when he spun around to pick off Abreu.
2007-06-20 19:34:48
112.   Shaun P
99 The only way the Yanks can really 'afford' to do either of those things is to make sure A-Rod says in pinstripes. Power is not the name of Melky's game, or Bobby's, or Ichiro's.

Even still, if the Yanks were to sign Ichiro, I'd still like to see a non-Giambi big bopper at 1B/DH. Giambi's age and this foot injury worry me a lot. Even with A-Rod, the Yanks need another big bat.

2007-06-20 19:34:50
113.   ny2ca2dc
another time A-Rod gets pitched around. good as JoPo is (and especially has been lately), sure would be nice to have a healthy Giambino backing up Arod....

the field mic really is picking up a lot of pinheads...

2007-06-20 19:35:12
114.   Bama Yankee
Just getting here. Congrats on the new addition to the family, Shaun P.
2007-06-20 19:36:15
115.   Mattpat11
93 I'm not a big fan of making marginal improvements. The upgrade from hideous to horrific is really not a huge move for me.

But more than anything else, I liked Cairo there because when he bombs, I knew he'd be removed. I don't have that same feeling with Phillips. Mainly because there is now no one better to replace him with. But I also have an awful feeling that the Yankees will fall into that "if we just give him his AB he'll start to hit!" and we'll get 250 AB of sub .700 OPS.

2007-06-20 19:36:17
116.   OldYanksFan
99 I might take Bobby for one more year, but I can't see more. I think it depends on the market.

I'd have to look at Ichiro's numbers in CF, but I believe he is doing well. He is still much faster then Melky, and I'd tend to keep him in CF, move Mats to RF and play Melky in LF.

A lot also depends on if Giambi comes back strong next year and ties up the DH spot.

2007-06-20 19:36:17
117.   Bluebleeder87
Nice K by Francis.
2007-06-20 19:36:53
118.   Shaun P
Good to see that Tavarez doesn't shut down only the Yankees. Sheesh, doesn't Atlanta allegedly have a really good offense?

Oakland and Detroit also won.

Carp, Jorge!

2007-06-20 19:38:10
119.   Shaun P
114 Thanks Bama. Got my fingers crossed for you guys - all the best!

Now let's hope the offense will score a couple more next inning. Insurance is never a bad thing.

2007-06-20 19:38:53
120.   Mattpat11
105 And I think Duncan probably would have fallen right on his face as well. But at least it won't be the equivalent of repeatedly smashing your head against the wall.

Speaking of, Igawa returns Friday.

2007-06-20 19:39:44
121.   monkeypants
112 Yeah, I think Giambi is really cooked this time. That foot injury has Mark McGuire written all over it
2007-06-20 19:40:17
122.   ny2ca2dc
2007-06-20 19:40:36
123.   Mike T
Walking the opposing pitcher? Oops.
2007-06-20 19:40:39
124.   Max
Andy walks the pitcher. Ugh, ugh, triple ugh.
2007-06-20 19:43:47
125.   mehmattski
120 So, if I've got this correct, your belief in a minor leaguer is entirely based on whether that player 1) is young and 2) is ranked highly on prospect charts? Because up until now I've seen you bash every minor leaguer the Yankees have above 25 years old, saying they should make the majors by then if they are amounting to anything, and backpedaling when people bring up Posada because he was "supposed to be promising."

That's the only reason to call up a minor leaguer, ever? Improving from horrible to mediocre is improving, and keeping the status quo is an alternative that makes the team worse. Further, you also believe in the power of small sample sizes- if someone is bad in one month of play at the major league level, he will never ever be of any value to the team. I would think that Melky Cabrera would have issue with your snap judgments.

2007-06-20 19:44:15
126.   Mattpat11
2007-06-20 19:44:16
127.   tommyl
2007-06-20 19:44:40
128.   yankz
2007-06-20 19:44:56
129.   randym77

They give Andy a lead, and he gives it back.

2007-06-20 19:45:07
130.   pistolpete
Ok guys, can we just put up a 4 spot against the Rockies? Seems to be all that we need...
2007-06-20 19:45:13
131.   Yankees Brasil
thats what happens when you walk the opposing pitcher..
2007-06-20 19:45:50
132.   tommyl
129 He can't pitch a shutout every single time. He's given up 2 runs.
2007-06-20 19:45:57
133.   monkeypants
Damn humidor.
2007-06-20 19:46:08
134.   Max
The saddest part about this inning is that it wasn't even a big surprise. You could just smell trouble from the moment Andy went to 3-1 on Francis.

Better hope we get to the bullpen.

2007-06-20 19:46:20
135.   Shaun P
131 Thank God Clint Hurdle loves to sacrifice with Tavares, otherwise it could be 3-0.

C'mon offense, WAKE UP!

2007-06-20 19:47:30
136.   monkeypants
125 Moreover, it's better to play a worse player (in this case, Cairo) because he'll be so bad they will make a change. But when they make a change (in this case, Phillips), the danger is that he'll actually be better, because improving a little doesn't really count as improving.
2007-06-20 19:49:02
137.   tommyl
Well that's one way
2007-06-20 19:49:20
138.   pistolpete
Thank god for that throw - 1 run down is quite enough, thank you...
2007-06-20 19:49:26
139.   randym77
Wow. Nice throw by Godzilla.
2007-06-20 19:49:30
140.   mehmattski
Safe. Whew.
2007-06-20 19:49:31
141.   yankz
Boo ya!

OK, time to punish them. The nerve...

2007-06-20 19:49:51
142.   Bluebleeder87
that dinger was unhumidor like!
2007-06-20 19:50:09
143.   Kels
Helton was safe.
2007-06-20 19:50:35
144.   Max
That play looked pretty close. That could have been a four or five run inning easily, the way Andy was scuffling.
2007-06-20 19:50:55
145.   Mattpat11
125 Jorge Posada was 25 years old when the Yankees decided he was ready to take a roll on the major league club. Andy Phillips was 29.

And yes, if a minor leaguer has no real potential or future on the team, I'm really not in favor of wasting three months of an already shaky year waiting for the man to adjust to major league curve balls.

And mediocre is generous. Its an upgrade from horrible to awful.

2007-06-20 19:52:05
146.   monkeypants
Yikes, Andy looks out of gas (great bail out, Matsui). If anyone gets on for the Yanks in the 7th, you have to PH for Andy. If they go 1-2-3, though, would you leave Andy in for the 7th?
2007-06-20 19:52:27
147.   Mattpat11
136 No, my fear is that Phillips we be just as miserable as he was last year but have a longer leash than Cairo.
2007-06-20 19:52:34
148.   randym77
Yeah, the Yanks lucked out. He was safe.
2007-06-20 19:54:31
149.   tommyl
So when A-Rod doesn't hit, the Yankees suck? or is it the lack of Miggy Mantle?
2007-06-20 19:55:39
150.   pistolpete
If the Rockies can play this way against the Yankees and the Red Sox, why the heck aren't they in first place?
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2007-06-20 19:55:48
151.   Yankees Brasil
What an AB Andy, way to go!!
2007-06-20 19:56:37
152.   thelarmis
sosa hit his 6ooth
2007-06-20 19:56:45
153.   williamnyy23
These last two games really exposes the folly in dumping Phelps when they did. Watching Cairo PH as the tying run last night topped off by Andy Phillips ineptitude tonight makes one wonder if Phelps in both spots would have been a better option.
2007-06-20 19:56:59
154.   Hank
How many pitches in that inning? Five? Six?
2007-06-20 19:57:32
155.   monkeypants
147 I guess. What evidence is there that he would have a longer leash? Is it all the other times that Yankees have given marginal players a long time to adjust? Phelps was given two bad throws and was banished. Philips last year had a hot month followed by an awful month and then was banished. The only players who get long leashes on the Yankees are Proven Veterans™ like Stinky Minky.
2007-06-20 19:58:12
156.   3rd gen yankee fan
Wow catch by Mats. Man that musta been scary for him.
2007-06-20 19:58:28
157.   Mattpat11
On top of everything else, it really baffles me that after watching Andy Phillips for parts of three seasons now (four if you count 2004) people will get upset when someone suggests he doesn't recognize breaking and offspeed pitches
2007-06-20 19:59:05
158.   Max
154 It's a broken record, but Cano swinging at the first pitch really ticked me off.
2007-06-20 19:59:21
159.   pistolpete
C'mon guys, I really don't want to be 10 games out tomorrow... yeesh.
2007-06-20 20:01:15
160.   Max
159 And I don't want this to be loss number 21 out of 27 in games decided by 2 runs or less.

Though the way Andy is going this inning, the lead may stretch quickly.

2007-06-20 20:01:22
161.   Hank
158 I don't think Cano needs to walk a hundred times a year, but it would be nice if he had just a little bit of patience...
2007-06-20 20:04:36
162.   Mattpat11
155 I think the very fact that he's back after last year, combined with being placed on the post season roster for no good reason last year and the spring training "competition" indicates that somewhere last year he became a Joe Torre boy.
2007-06-20 20:04:43
163.   monkeypants
157 No one gets upset by that observation, as far as I can tell. People do seem to object to your disregard for (adjusted) minor league track record a indicative of major league potential, and willingnss to rely on smallish sample sizes. In fact, I don't even challenge the observation--off speed pitches and curve balls are hard to hit, and it's not surprising that a fringe player has trouble with them.
2007-06-20 20:06:22
164.   pistolpete
And to think we all probably snickered when the Eox took 2 out of 3 from Boston...
2007-06-20 20:07:05
165.   tommyl
I can't believe we are going to lose another game. Sigh
2007-06-20 20:08:09
166.   monkeypants
162 You mean the spring training competition in which the worst performance (veteran Minky) was rewarded with teh starting job, the best performance (Phelps) was rewarded with a bench position, and the middle performance (Phillips) was rewarded with demotion. Doesn't that indicate a lack of Torre's loyalty, not the opposite?
2007-06-20 20:09:19
167.   tommyl
Shoot. There we go, game over
2007-06-20 20:09:33
168.   yankz
Man, this sucks.
2007-06-20 20:09:59
169.   Knuckles
Someone wake Joe up and tell him to push the "A-Rod Grand Slam" button...
2007-06-20 20:10:16
170.   Yankees Brasil
2007-06-20 20:10:28
171.   monkeypants
160 well, that problem might just be solved.
2007-06-20 20:10:33
172.   Max
Andy just imploded...completely brought this on himself the last two innings.
2007-06-20 20:10:39
173.   williamnyy23
Horrible effort by Pettitte. He has pitched pretty well this year, but there have now been 3 or 4 occassion when he completely caved once the team got him a lead. Usually Wins is a meaningless stat, but in Pettitte's case his low total is telling.
2007-06-20 20:10:58
174.   mikeplugh
Kaz Matsui sucks.
2007-06-20 20:11:21
175.   mikeplugh
174 That was for Schteeve.
2007-06-20 20:12:13
176.   Yankees Brasil
Back to the 2007 suckitute..
2007-06-20 20:12:39
177.   JeremyM
Why did he leave Pettitte in? Granted, I'm not watching, but I saw the replay of the homer in the sixth and it looked like a total meatball.
2007-06-20 20:13:09
178.   thelarmis
and everyone else ahead of us pretty much won or is winning. this is the road trip from hell thus far and it's only 2 days old. i am seething mad...
2007-06-20 20:13:10
179.   Mattpat11
163 If he can't hit anything but a fastball (and not a good fastball, as the Kazmir and Santana experiments showed) what value does he have to us as a first baseman?

The Stink was going to start no matter what. I blame Cashman for that disaster. I can't give any good reason why Phillips, who was horrid for us, was given a shot to be the other part of the platoon, nor do I understand why he went into the situation with the advantage. Phelps had to clearly beat Phillips to win out.

2007-06-20 20:13:38
180.   JeremyM
And seriously, Vizcaino?
2007-06-20 20:13:38
181.   Mattpat11
Return of the 2007 yankees.
2007-06-20 20:14:02
182.   thelarmis
let's just forfeit that last two innings and save our bullpen. this is crap.
2007-06-20 20:16:09
183.   Yankees Brasil
The Yankees scored 2 runs in 16 innings so far in Colorado, thats really bad
2007-06-20 20:16:13
184.   weeping for brunnhilde
Well, Team, it would seem we're in a tight spot.
2007-06-20 20:17:22
185.   monkeypants
179 You do live in an all or nothing world.
2007-06-20 20:17:44
186.   pistolpete
181 And return of the doom sayers, I suppose. ;-)
2007-06-20 20:17:47
187.   mikeplugh
Johnny Damon? Is he or isn't he going on the DL? In a 6-1 game what the f is the deal? Why?
2007-06-20 20:18:44
188.   williamnyy23
Cano and Damon are back to hitting like crap. That doesn't bode well for a lineup now committed to Cabrera/Cairo/Phillips.
2007-06-20 20:18:45
189.   monkeypants
Every day Damn bats is another day the DL can't be retroactive.
2007-06-20 20:18:59
190.   Mattpat11
And I can't be the only one who thinks Chico Esceula and Bonds return to power is more than some huge coincidence.
2007-06-20 20:19:30
191.   randym77
177 Andy clearly had nothing left. He was lucky to get out of the previous inning, with that blown call at home plate.

Maybe Torre didn't have anyone in the pen he trusted.

2007-06-20 20:19:31
192.   monkeypants
189 Tee-hee, of course that should have been Damon, but it did capture the sentiment.
2007-06-20 20:19:58
193.   Mattpat11
185 I don't differentiate the levels of miserable.
2007-06-20 20:20:33
194.   Mattpat11
186 We're back to ten games out. Its nowhere near encouraging.
2007-06-20 20:22:32
195.   Yankees Brasil
Even Hawkins seems like a good pitcher against this offense
2007-06-20 20:23:02
196.   Mattpat11
Kay has been especially brutal lately.
2007-06-20 20:23:22
197.   DougP
191 No question Andy didn't have anything left. But Torre refused to pull him because he kept hoping that Andy would make it through the inning so that he wouldn't then need to bring in a relief pitcher only to have to pull him for a pinch hitter. Very short sighted managing on Torre's part.
2007-06-20 20:23:22
198.   weeping for brunnhilde

We sure can't afford to start backsliding now.

Can't afford it.

2007-06-20 20:24:07
199.   Mike T
Through 17 innings of play over two games, our guys have a grand total of two runs.
2007-06-20 20:25:05
200.   williamnyy23
194 I haven't even started paying attention to Boston yet. Even at 7 1/2 the deficit was too big to think division. The WC is still the best chance for the playoffs...with Cleveland and Detroit playing well, the Yankees don't have the luxuryt of another losing streak.
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2007-06-20 20:25:13
201.   williamnyy23
194 I haven't even started paying attention to Boston yet. Even at 7 1/2 the deficit was too big to think division. The WC is still the best chance for the playoffs...with Cleveland and Detroit playing well, the Yankees don't have the luxuryt of another losing streak.
2007-06-20 20:25:44
202.   monkeypants
197 Especially since he could have pulled a double switch with Phillips spot in the line up, who made the last out in the Yankees half of the inning. Methinks Torre has forgotten some of them ol' NL rules?
2007-06-20 20:26:12
203.   Yankees Brasil
I just hope we don't get swept tomorrow..
2007-06-20 20:26:44
204.   monkeypants
193 That does make things easier.
2007-06-20 20:27:05
205.   Mattpat11
202 Maybe he thinks Phillips is about to turn the corner and doesn't want to remove his bat.
2007-06-20 20:28:39
206.   Mattpat11
And just to keep up with the theme, Igawa goes Friday! Hooray!
2007-06-20 20:30:48
207.   monkeypants
205 Even if so (and I recognize your sarcasm), Phillips wouldn't have come up before the end of the game. If the ninth spot came up in teh 8th, the Yankees would have scored at least three runs anyway. So, even if we assume--as you do--that Torre has this undying manlove for Andy Phillips, he still lost track of the game situation.
2007-06-20 20:31:39
208.   Mattpat11
Someone needs to kick Kay in the throat.
2007-06-20 20:33:17
209.   Mattpat11
I'm going to concentrate on the positives. Its just two games. Roger and Wang are pitching in the next three days. Even a blind Igawa sometimes finds a nut.
2007-06-20 20:34:08
210.   pistolpete
208 Ok, now you're just getting nasty.
2007-06-20 20:36:06
211.   DougP
209 Shouldn't that be "Even a blind Igawa sometimes finds the strike zone"?
2007-06-20 20:37:45
212.   pistolpete
Gosh, Affeldt puts on a different uniform and suddenly he's unhittable?
2007-06-20 20:38:10
213.   tommyl
I hate this freakin' music. It grates on my brain.
2007-06-20 20:38:16
214.   williamnyy23
11Ks? Could it be jet lag? Fogg and Francis can be "nice" pitchers, but this is inexusable.
2007-06-20 20:38:17
215.   Mattpat11
210 Getting?
2007-06-20 20:39:14
216.   weeping for brunnhilde
2007-06-20 20:40:29
217.   williamnyy23
I think this series reaffirms that the Yankees making the playoffs is going to be a whole season effort. I guess I was kind of hoping they'd erase the entire deficit quickly, but emerging from the hole they created wont be so easy.
2007-06-20 20:41:04
218.   DougP
214 Or the altitude? Or the inability to hit a breaking ball? Or the general overall suckiness?
2007-06-20 20:42:24
219.   Mattpat11
Kay just alerted us that the Rockies are the best team in baseball since some utterly arbitrary date. My favorite stat ever.
2007-06-20 20:43:11
220.   Mattpat11
Okay. There's always tomorrow.
2007-06-20 20:43:28
221.   Max
Boy, the air just went out of this one in a hurry. When Andy gave up that third run, the deficit looked ten times bigger all of a sudden, just with one extra run.

In the past, I would linger and watch for the hint of an improbable comeback...but I just don't get that sense with this team. They did some nice things during the winning streak, but the long stretches of futile at bats don't inspire confidence.

2007-06-20 20:45:22
222.   Mattpat11
221 Remind you of a month ago?
2007-06-20 20:48:51
223.   monkeypants
217 Unfortunately, even with the whole rest of the season, even making up 6 or 7 games for the WC is going to be difficult. The winning streak gave the impression that 100 games is a lot of time to make up ground, but when all is said and done, the team is in the same place they were three weeks ago (beofre the mini-run). At some point they will have to make the call whether to pull the plug on the season or make a bunch of moves at the trade deadline to make one last big push.
2007-06-20 21:04:31
224.   Max
I'm still not ready to even consider blowing up the team. There's a greater sense of urgency and concern regarding the remainder of this road trip, though, and the ten games at home against good teams.

Even though the Dbacks and Pirates aren't great teams, it was nice to see us make a few runs work against their best pitchers (who otherwise kept our bats in check). But these last couple of games have been a return to the horror show and a revival of all the usual debates (Damon sucks, all the first base options suck, Cano sucks, Melky sucks, Torre sucks, etc etc)

2007-06-20 21:09:59
225.   Just fair
Just a blip on the radar. It is nowhere near impossible to 5 back of division or wild card by the ASB. Then the fun begins all over. If they continue to suck in S.F., that's another story and I might go find the proverbial ledge. Let's stick a Rocket up their humidor next noon.
2007-06-20 21:16:08
226.   monkeypants
224 The interesting (if that is the word) thing is that the Yankees can't really be blown up. Realistically, they are not going to trade any of their major assets, and few of the other spare parts have much trade value anyway. Maybe they could dump some relievers; maybe a team would rent Abreu for half a season (does he have a no trade clause?); maybe Melky could help some team as a back up. Cano would be attractive, but he's not going anywhere.

So really, the only decision the Yankees will face (unless they snap off another run and cut the WC deficit) is whether to make a move to add player(s) at the deadline, or just sit pat and ride out the season (like the Sox did last year).

2007-06-20 21:18:19
227.   monkeypants
Jeff Weaver just pitched a CG shutout against Pitt, just to remind us how bad the Pirates are.
2007-06-21 05:30:59
228.   3rd gen yankee fan
If At First You Don't Succeed . . .

suck, suck again.

2007-06-21 05:38:56
229.   Sliced Bread
228 Word.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2007 Bronx Bloombergs: wealthy, heavy-hitting candidates on paper, but steadfastly vague about their chances of running.

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