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You Can't Win If You Don't Score
2007-06-16 08:22
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to bronxbanterblog.com.

The Yankees didn't score last night, and they didn't win. They did manage to put eight runners on against Oliver Perez, getting a man as far as second base in each of the game's first four innings, but Perez rallied to strike out Bobby Abreu, and Alex Rodriguez in the first, Melky Cabrera in the second, and Jorge Posada in the third. Meanwhile a big fly to center in the third that looked like a two-run home run off Alex Rodriguez's bat fell short and into Carlos Beltran's glove.

Indeed, the Mets played fantastic defense all night. The key play came in the bottom of the fourth. After Hideki Matsui took six straight pitches to draw a leadoff walk, Perez walked Robinson Cano on four more tosses. Josh Phelps, DHing in place of late-scratch Johnny Damon, then took ball one, but swung through ball two to even the count before working it full and flying out to right for the first out. Miguel Cairo followed by looking at strike one, then yanking Perez's next pitch to the top of the Cannon sign in the left field corner. Rookie Carlos Gomez, who showed his lightening speed in the third inning by reaching on a bunt single, stealing second, then scoring the game's first run on a Jose Reyes single, drifted back to the wall and made nice leaping catch a foot above the wall to take a would-be three-run home run away from Cairo. Gomez then fired a one-hop strike from the wall to second base to double off Matsui, who had inexplicably ranged almost all the way to third base.

That ended the Yankee threat in both that inning and for the game. Reyes hit the only curveball Roger Clemens threw all night for a solo home run in the top of the fifth and Perez set the next ten Yankees down in order before a one-out Derek Jeter double in the eighth ended his evening. Jeter was followed by a shot off Bobby Abreu's bat that imitated Alex Rodriguez's third-inning fly out almost exactly--a two-run homer off the bat that died in deep center and settled in to Carlos Beltran's glove. That was the last gasp. 2-0 Mets.

As for Clemens, he pitched well again, striking out eight in 6 1/3 innings and, other than Reyes's homer of his lone curveball, allowing only six singles, two of them on bunts, and walked one. This was my first look at the 44-year-old version of Clemens and I can't say I was terribly impressed, but you can't argue with the results (12 1/3 IP, 12 H, 3 BB, 15 K, 3.65 ERA). Clemens looks a little chunky and his fastball now tops out at 91 miles per hour. According to the YES broadcasters, however, Andy Pettitte says that's as fast as it's going to get and that he wasn't throwing any harder in Houston, where he posted a 2.40 ERA over three seasons. Instead Clemens's game is now location and the still nasty Mr. Splitee, which was indeed his outpitch again last night (just ask Carlos Delgado). Hey, with Wang and Pettitte cruising, Clemens only needs to be one of the top three guys, not the full-blown ace, and the sort of performances he's turned in in his first two starts this season are everything the Yankees had hoped for, and he's likely still tuning up.

Today, the Yankees throw a pitcher 22 1/2 years Clemens' junior at the Mets. Tyler Clippard made his major league debut at Shea, holding the Mets to one run on three hits and three walks (one intentional) while striking out six in six innings and earning the win. Clippard hasn't been quite that good since, but he's shown flashes. Unfortunately, he's coming off his worst major league outing (3 2/3 IP, 6 H, 3 BB, 6 R), which came against the lowly Pirates. He'll have to rebound from that this afternoon to keep the Yankees from thinking about spinning that fifth-spot revolving door again.

Clippard's opposite number, 19 years his senior, is also coming off his worst outing of the year. Tom Galvine was lit up by the Tigers for nine runs on 11 hits and a pair of walks in 4 1/3 innings last weekend. Otherwise, he's been remarkably consistent, turning in ten quality starts in his previous 13 games, only once failing to complete six innings and only twice allowing as many as four earned runs. Glavine's job is not in danger.

In the big picture, the Yankees need a win today to avoid slipping back down to .500 and to have a chance to keep their four-series winning streak going.

Comments (418)
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2007-06-16 09:36:39
1.   rbj
Sigh. The reason today's game is not available out of market is ?
I mean, you'd figure that Fox would highlight the NY vs. NY game, just as ESPN is doing tomorrow night.
2007-06-16 09:47:46
2.   yankz
Check it out- Big Unit goes on DL with a strained gluteus. Guess he's been hanging out with old He Who Must Not Be Named.

Oh Jim Dean...

2007-06-16 09:57:10
3.   Rich
I don't think Cairo's ball was going out. The fans in the LF stands had their hands over the wall in a failed attempt to Jeffrey Maier it. That, imo, is a good barometer of it's ultimate distance.

It was still a very good catch though, but it was likely going to be a double or, if it caromed the right way, a triple

2007-06-16 10:06:20
4.   Paul in Boston
Can anyone send me the "magic" link? psax78@gmail.com, gracias.
2007-06-16 10:07:19
5.   Ravenscar
Mets fan here, but don't worry, I'm not trolling, I'm a respectful alternate view and regular Banter reader.

That fly ball definitely wasn't going out, but no matter what happened, it was going to hurt us if it hit the ground. Badly.

2007-06-16 10:08:18
6.   Ravenscar
I would likewise love that link, if it works on Macintosh - orlandolassus@yahoo.com
2007-06-16 10:08:24
7.   seamus
3 that is less the point to me. I'd a been fine with him not catching it and it landing inside the field of play.
2007-06-16 10:09:54
8.   rbj
5 That's ok, Ravenscar, we all have our flaws --jk.
2007-06-16 10:13:05
9.   Ravenscar
OK, there is our trouble in a nutshell right there, what Beltran did. Without Reyes last night, we were dead dead dead.
2007-06-16 10:17:22
10.   Mattpat11
ech.
2007-06-16 10:18:27
11.   Zack
pastadiving Jeter...very fieldable ball
2007-06-16 10:22:33
12.   seamus
the walk to reyes was infuriating. That should have been a fairly easy inning for clippard.
2007-06-16 10:24:14
13.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ah, I see there's a new thread, so I'll stop posting on the previous one now.

:)

2007-06-16 10:27:30
14.   SF Yanks
If anyone is in the magic link giving mood, I would be an appreciated Yankee fan:
Topher00ATcomcastDOTnet
2007-06-16 10:30:23
15.   Ravenscar
OK, this is scary. Um, for me, anyyhow.
2007-06-16 10:32:51
16.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, team, this is our game.

We're hitting the ball hard, it should only be a matter of time.

2007-06-16 10:33:05
17.   Zack
Nerts...DOn't let this be another one of those games please
2007-06-16 10:33:58
18.   Ravenscar
Hey, two lovely humans mailed me the link, but if I need an email and password, I'm not sure what is particularly magical about it. Does it get around some blackout or....?
2007-06-16 10:34:22
19.   Zack
14 Magic link as in how to avoid the dreaded Fox saturday?
2007-06-16 10:35:30
20.   seamus
18 you have to subscribe to mlb-tv.
2007-06-16 10:35:56
21.   seamus
14 did someone hit you up?
2007-06-16 10:37:07
22.   Ravenscar
Ah - I expected more magic. Like a free hack of the game or something. My bad.
2007-06-16 10:38:47
23.   seamus
22 just a way around the blackout for subscribers. pretty magical actually.
2007-06-16 10:42:18
24.   weeping for brunnhilde
I don't believe that!

I was just beginning to get a sense of what Clippard's doing, using the changeup, and I said to myself, "He's not going to get that fastball over the plate he's looking for."

Not 5 seconds later...

Terrible, terrible, pitch selection.

2007-06-16 10:42:59
25.   Ravenscar
Our slap-hitters are homering you guys to death.
2007-06-16 10:43:57
26.   weeping for brunnhilde
I can't believe he grooved him that fastball.

His off-speed stuff has been effective.

Ok, let's hope he adjusts, because he can keep these Mets off-balance if he gets it together.

2007-06-16 10:44:26
27.   weeping for brunnhilde
25 87mph over the dish.

That's what happens.

2007-06-16 10:44:33
28.   Ravenscar
23. - Thanks for the explanation.
2007-06-16 10:45:15
29.   Ravenscar
27 - I'm just on the radio, so it's harder for me to see the pitch. Er, impossible, that is.
2007-06-16 10:49:23
30.   seamus
That was a very good at bat by cano.

superchunk is better audio...

2007-06-16 10:50:59
31.   yankz
Bunting with CAIRO on deck?!

Prove me wrong, Miggy Mantle...

2007-06-16 10:51:11
32.   yankz
Woohoo!
2007-06-16 10:53:45
33.   Ravenscar
It is still difficult for me to root for Glavine. But it would be easier if he could start winning a bit.
2007-06-16 10:53:51
34.   weeping for brunnhilde
I love this team.

We just got 'em both back with smallball.

I love watching that kind of execution.

Hats off.

2007-06-16 10:54:51
35.   weeping for brunnhilde
With the bottom of our order, that's the point.

The bottom of the order can still be effective and that's "winning baseball," howsoever much you guys like to mock the platitude.

It rings true to me.

2007-06-16 10:56:08
36.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees-Mets game fell victim to the Barry Bonds home run record chase. Fox is going hot and heavy for the Giants and are showing the Giants three straight Saturdays. Last week against Oakland, today against Boston, and then next week against the Giants.

There are a couple more games against the Giants scheduled in July for Fox.

The problem with all that is that the Giants are really dreary to watch unless Lincecum is pitching.

2007-06-16 11:05:12
37.   seamus
yeah bobby!
2007-06-16 11:06:45
38.   Ravenscar
OK, can any of you watchers tell me if that was a good call? Objectively?
2007-06-16 11:07:15
39.   Zack
The terrible umping strikes again
2007-06-16 11:07:30
40.   Chyll Will
I can't watch this game. They're showing it on CW11 and the homerism for the Mets there is worse than anything I've seen.

Akk! Rookie mistake...

2007-06-16 11:07:59
41.   seamus
well. that sucked. the vibes of these games is bothering me. If Clippard would just throw strikes to Reyes this may not be an issue.
2007-06-16 11:08:07
42.   Zack
Terrible terrible call. He asked for time, Jorge jumped up to stop Reyes, and meanwhile Clippard twitched...The Ump has to grant the batter time....Just been our luck
2007-06-16 11:08:39
43.   weeping for brunnhilde
Damn it, damn it.

We almost got out of that.

That Reyes is a fucking one-man run machine.

2007-06-16 11:08:44
44.   seamus
38 it was but it kind of sucked. A rookie mistake in stepping off when Delgado called time and it wasn't granted.
2007-06-16 11:09:26
45.   Max
Clippard on his way out...not just of this game, but out of the rotation. Walking Reyes was beyond stupid.
2007-06-16 11:10:02
46.   Zack
If anyone, its Jorge's fault, as he jumped up towards Reyes assuming Time was called...
2007-06-16 11:10:29
47.   weeping for brunnhilde
38 You mean the balk?

I've never been precisely clear as to the definition of a balk, for instance, why Andy's move isn't a balk, but they showed an angle from which Clippard did appear to my eyes to make a sort of funky move towards third.

2007-06-16 11:11:14
48.   Chyll Will
38 Delgado was calling for time and Clip stopped before the ump granted it, which he never did. CW calling for Torre to be ejected for arguing a balk call. Clip should have just threw the ball, but the ump didn't help much.
2007-06-16 11:11:17
49.   weeping for brunnhilde
45 I don't think he did it on purpose, Max.

He's a kid, for Christ's sake.

He'll learn.

He's the guy we need to be patient with.

2007-06-16 11:12:03
50.   seamus
45 that is beyond reason. He is a rookie and it is fair to jump on him. But out of the rotation? Don't be silly.
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2007-06-16 11:12:14
51.   Zack
If Joe allows Clippard to stay in the game, I see him going about 6 with 4 runs. Thats pretty good for a #5, and certainly no reason for 45, especialyl when the other option is Kei Igawa
2007-06-16 11:13:31
52.   Ravenscar
Chyll, I went back and forth between 11 and 9 and then the postgame on YES and SNY last night. There is no amount of homerism from the Mets or Yankees that is any worse than any other, seriously. It's tiresome no matter who is doing it. And the fans of the home team (me included) just cannot see how it is as bad on their own stations as it is on the other ones. It's just the way it is.
2007-06-16 11:13:52
53.   matt nokes forever
HA!
2007-06-16 11:14:14
54.   Chyll Will
Day-amm!! We're supposed to win this game!!
2007-06-16 11:14:18
55.   seamus
A-God strikes again!
2007-06-16 11:14:21
56.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh my God did he turn on that!

And we got to see it from the catcher-cam angle!

How very beautiful.

Right off the bat, no question.

2007-06-16 11:14:31
57.   seamus
53 and Ha!
2007-06-16 11:14:40
58.   Zack
I feel like A-Rod has taken over Bernie's old role, that is, as A-Rod goes, so goes the Yankees' offense. Which of course might then be tied into Bobby A too. But more than ever, this offense revolves around A-Rod, and when he produces in a game, it seems like we win...

And holy crap was that a bomb!

53 Youa re obviously watching this live

2007-06-16 11:14:51
59.   Max
Screw smallball. That's more like it.

Not meant at you weeping, just tired of playing this cat and mouse game with a struggling team.

2007-06-16 11:15:43
60.   mishka
Ahh, such a familiar sight - #53 and #13 crossing the plate.
2007-06-16 11:15:45
61.   Chyll Will
52 You're right. I don't like it either way. Still, it's pretty damn bad.
2007-06-16 11:15:54
62.   weeping for brunnhilde
What a beautiful game, so far.

It's got everything.

Speed, pitching, small ball, long ball.

I love it when our attack is diversified. We're unbeatable when we can do small-ball/long-ball in the same game.

2007-06-16 11:16:26
63.   Zack
Clippard needs to go out and have a quick inning now...At least not allow a run.
2007-06-16 11:16:38
64.   Chyll Will
52 At least I missed Gollem...
2007-06-16 11:16:51
65.   weeping for brunnhilde
Man, Glavin's getting whacked around.
2007-06-16 11:17:14
66.   matt nokes forever
58 Guess I'm the lucky one with the TV in the office.

And of course, jorge and matsui both just missed depositing theirs over the fence too.

2007-06-16 11:17:24
67.   Zack
Glavine seems to have morphed into Karstens this inning...
2007-06-16 11:17:31
68.   seamus
hitting the ball hard. should have more to show for it. but we've got the lead so... Ha!
2007-06-16 11:17:58
69.   Ravenscar
Having A-Rod on my fantasy team is a real emotional problem for me today.
2007-06-16 11:18:05
70.   weeping for brunnhilde
All right, if we could somehow manage to keep Reyes off base, there's no way they win this game.
2007-06-16 11:18:41
71.   matt nokes forever
Is there any chance T-Clip can have a less-than-20-pitch inning now?
2007-06-16 11:18:41
72.   matt nokes forever
Is there any chance T-Clip can have a less-than-20-pitch inning now?
2007-06-16 11:18:48
73.   seamus
69 I recommend not getting emotional about fantasy baseball. problem solved.
2007-06-16 11:19:16
74.   weeping for brunnhilde
68 It's only a matter of time, seamus. Can't will the ball to drop in, all you can do is hit it hard.

Mostly good swings, except for Robby.

And Derek was off balance his second AB, but otherwise, we should send Glavin out by the sixth.

2007-06-16 11:21:09
75.   seamus
74 it is setting up as a game of the bullpens.
2007-06-16 11:22:20
76.   Ravenscar
I have always said reality trumps fantasy every time. But even I'm allowed small emotions over fantasy performance. I'm not throwing things or weeping. ;-)
2007-06-16 11:22:37
77.   seamus
I like Clippard. But he has this occasional control issue that drives me nuts. Presumably, with experience that will fade. How old is he anyhow?
2007-06-16 11:23:05
78.   seamus
76 that is good to hear! :)
2007-06-16 11:23:47
79.   matt nokes forever
72 guess not
2007-06-16 11:23:58
80.   Ravenscar
Well I'll be damned.
2007-06-16 11:24:06
81.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fuck.

Was that an 82mph fastball over the plate at the knees?

2007-06-16 11:24:33
82.   Yankees Brasil
Ok..he probably lost his job after that pitch
2007-06-16 11:24:40
83.   seamus
ok. THAT might knock Clippard out of the rotation. His walks are the real problem though.
2007-06-16 11:24:56
84.   matt nokes forever
81 No, that was a BP fastball over the plate at the knees.
2007-06-16 11:25:13
85.   weeping for brunnhilde
77 I don't know, he looks about 22 with those big ears of his.
2007-06-16 11:25:23
86.   Ravenscar
Nice play, Melky. Where's Damon when we need him? ;-)
2007-06-16 11:26:51
87.   Zack
Geez, I cut away for a minute, come back, and another homer to another scrub. Sigh. Ty, I think we might see the last of you, Joe has no time for rookie pitching...
2007-06-16 11:27:37
88.   Max
49 weeping, I like the guy, but he's not ready...the reason he's up pitching every five days is pure desperation. HRs from Castro and Gotay?

I feel bad for him, but I hope he regroups in the minors.

2007-06-16 11:28:21
89.   seamus
Drives me crazy that he gets knocked out on a good pitch. But you can't leave him in there the way he has struggled with men on.
2007-06-16 11:28:34
90.   matt nokes forever
Sooo I'm guessing that after yesterday, no one bothered to discuss how to handle those drag/push bunts the Mets beat us to death with? Wasn't really that important to strategize about huh?
2007-06-16 11:28:41
91.   Zack
Ahh, well, there goes this game. SO much for our momentum, eh? Isn't the whole point of Sean Henn being on this team is for him to be the long man???
2007-06-16 11:29:13
92.   weeping for brunnhilde
Torre should have left him in.

He's not pitching well, obviously, but I think he could have gotten out of that inning. If both guys score, all right, but he's got to be able to learn.

We should be able to score more runs and it's certainly not as if Viscaino is any great shakes anyway.

2007-06-16 11:29:19
93.   rbj
Shoot, I just woke up from a nap for this? If Clippard is the answer, I don't think I want to know what the question is.

Hope Igawa's gotten himself straightened out.

2007-06-16 11:30:08
94.   matt nokes forever
91 He's not in the Torre-circle-of-trust. Viscaino is, though, apparently.
2007-06-16 11:30:27
95.   weeping for brunnhilde
88 Ok, fair enough. If you think he has more to learn in the minors, I agree.

Otherwise, is it possible that it's time for him to learn for real?

You know what I mean?

How do you know what can be worked out in the minors and what through major league experience?

2007-06-16 11:31:08
96.   Zack
94 Right, which of course means he fills the last guy out of the BP never going to pitch role except on 10 days rest and therefore stink role. Sure is a good thing that Britton is rotting in the minors...
2007-06-16 11:31:30
97.   Ravenscar
Reyes thought he was a little TOO invincible there. Not a great AB.
2007-06-16 11:32:04
98.   matt nokes forever
96 Is it really better than rotting in the majors?
2007-06-16 11:32:20
99.   seamus
91 I think that is because of runners on. I wouldn't be surprised to see Henn start off the next inning.
2007-06-16 11:32:21
100.   Zack
Its amazing how much more hype Reyes gets than Sizemore, almost purely because of where they play...
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2007-06-16 11:32:56
101.   seamus
nice play by hip hip!
2007-06-16 11:32:57
102.   weeping for brunnhilde
Phew!

Nice work, team, nice work, Jose, excellent work, Jorgie!

All right bats, back to business.

2007-06-16 11:33:09
103.   Zack
well damn if that wasn't good pitching by Viz. huh..
2007-06-16 11:33:13
104.   randym77
40 No YES?
2007-06-16 11:34:12
105.   seamus
103 back to back good performances. (knocks on wood)
2007-06-16 11:34:22
106.   Ravenscar
As I have Sizemore ALSO on my fantasy team, allow me to say he is no Jose Reyes this year. He's actually been struggling and isn't anything like he was last year.
2007-06-16 11:34:31
107.   weeping for brunnhilde
Jorge!
2007-06-16 11:34:40
108.   seamus
104 yes NO?
2007-06-16 11:35:20
109.   seamus
why isn't melky trying to work the count there? anyone?
2007-06-16 11:37:12
110.   randym77
108 LOL. Will was complaining about the coverage on 11. I meant, doesn't he get YES? It's airing on both today.

I'm enjoying the YES coverage today. That overhead shot of the new and old stadiums was great. And I'm a big fan of Leiter. (As a broadcaster, that is.)

2007-06-16 11:37:20
111.   Max
109 "Hacker throughout count"
2007-06-16 11:37:36
112.   Zack
106 That is where you are wrong though. Sizemore has a higher OPS, a higher OBP despite a lower BA, Far more power. The only thing he lacks riught now is a higher BA (slow start) and more steals (20 to 34). Me, I will take OPS, power, and OBP over steals any day.

Even you are falling victim to the hype. Sizemore is the better player...

2007-06-16 11:37:52
113.   Ravenscar
OK, I was totally wrong. I checked the numbers. Sizemore and Reyes are very close, almost equal, and Sizemore is probably better.

HOMERISM STRUCK! But I struck back.

2007-06-16 11:39:01
114.   Ravenscar
Oh hell.
2007-06-16 11:39:09
115.   matt nokes forever
DJ! HA!
2007-06-16 11:39:25
116.   randym77
Yeah, Jeet. Capt. Clutch strikes again.
2007-06-16 11:39:29
117.   seamus
see ya!
2007-06-16 11:40:18
118.   matt nokes forever
What would possess Glavine to throw that 86 mph fastball on the inner half to guys like Jeet and ARod?
2007-06-16 11:40:21
119.   Shaun P
Cap'n!!!

Man, this is going to be one of those back and forth slugfests, huh? Always seems to follow a low-scoring night game.

113 Nice to see you, Ravenscar.

2007-06-16 11:40:22
120.   Zack
Wow, you guys area way ahead of my buffer! Yay Cap!

113 If we can remove the bias one day at a time, I am doing my job :)

2007-06-16 11:40:40
121.   Max
This is going to be one of those 11-10 games in the sweltering heat of Saturday afternoon.
2007-06-16 11:40:53
122.   Ravenscar
But in my defense, Sizemore's OPS as of yesterday beats Reyes's by .008

:-)

2007-06-16 11:41:59
123.   matt nokes forever
122 Soooo how long is Sizemore still under contract? I mean... until we can start bidding on him.
2007-06-16 11:42:30
124.   Zack
Of course, neither Grady nor Jose have anything on A-Rod
2007-06-16 11:43:02
125.   seamus
122 lol! btw, you aren't all that homerish. we're glad to have you join us here.
2007-06-16 11:43:37
126.   Bob Timmermann
Most half innings scored in both teams, one game: 15. Philadelphia vs. Detroit on July 1, 1887.
The record since 1900 is 14 and has been done three times, the last time in 1940.
2007-06-16 11:43:48
127.   Shaun P
I know Clippard didn't exactly pitch well, but Glavine threw fewer strikes today (77 pitches, 42 strikes) than Clip did (77 pitches ,44 strikes). I know Torre's impatient with young pitchers who don't throw strikes, and I know he doesn't want to let this game get away, but why bring in Vizcaino - who throws even fewer strikes? Why not let Clippard try to work his way out of it?
2007-06-16 11:45:21
128.   weeping for brunnhilde
Great 3-1 call by Leiter, "I would say Tommy'll try to get Arod out down and away."

He did and Alex was way off balance, lofting a soft one into left.

What a great game.

How can you not love baseball?

2007-06-16 11:45:33
129.   Ravenscar
I think Sizemore just signed some kind of extension or something. Of course, I'm pulling that information from nowhere.
2007-06-16 11:45:52
130.   rbj
127 "Why not let Clippard try to work his way out of it? "

Because the Yankees are 8.5 games behind Boston. If we had a sizable lead, or were totally out of it, then it's fine. But right now we've gotta win games.

2007-06-16 11:46:35
131.   weeping for brunnhilde
And my God, what amazing hitting by Derek. Is he a lot stronger than he used to be, or just quicker inside? I mean, he seems quicker inside, but still, getting that fly ball out of the park is new for him.

His homers used to be mostly line drives, no?-- especially to left.

2007-06-16 11:46:35
132.   Chyll Will
104 No cable box >:'
2007-06-16 11:47:29
133.   weeping for brunnhilde
130 Yeah, I know, I get it, but is there any reason to believe Igawa's going to do any better?

Losing the battle (or rather risking losing the battle) to win the war kind of thing?

2007-06-16 11:48:13
134.   weeping for brunnhilde
109 Yeah, good question, seamus.

He's been kind of jumpy again of late.

2007-06-16 11:49:36
135.   Ravenscar
Delgado is about to begin to face the ugly wrath of Shea unless he goes about 10 for 12 to start the next homestand.
2007-06-16 11:50:02
136.   Shaun P
130 I can accept that. But why bring in Vizcaino? I know he's miraculously throwing strikes today, but Torre's stated reason for keeping Henn over Britton was "to have a long guy in the pen". Isn't the long guy there to cover for the 5th starter (ie, Clippard)? That's what I really don't get.

129 You're right: http://tinyurl.com/kfsbh Sizemore is signed through 2011, with an $8.5M team option for 2012 which they will certainly exercise.

2007-06-16 11:50:47
137.   matt nokes forever
131 And mostly to right, with that inside out swing of his. He's definently gotten stronger because he's pulling those inner half pitches alot more, where he used to flare them out to right for soft singles all the time.
2007-06-16 11:52:44
138.   matt nokes forever
Do you think Bobby has nightmares of walls trying to attack him? Does he wake up screaming at 3 a.m. with night terrors of pieces of giant blue padding coming to get him?
2007-06-16 11:53:14
139.   Shaun P
Why is Torre obsessed with Vizcaino and intentional walks?
2007-06-16 11:53:44
140.   Ravenscar
You guys are worse on Bobby's fear of the wall than the Mets radio guys. ;-)
2007-06-16 11:54:05
141.   Chyll Will
138 Somebody needs to buy Bobby a Pitch-Back...
2007-06-16 11:54:25
142.   weeping for brunnhilde
The other reason I would have kept Clippard in (and I know, it would have been a risk) is that his off speed stuff was working well, so he was able to get hitters out with it.

He seemed to have enough that, with some adjustment, he might have been able to battle his way through the inning.

Maybe not, but he could have induced Reyes to hit a lazy fly ball with something off speed.

2007-06-16 11:54:27
143.   Zack
Now Myers warming up and no Henn still. Sure is good we have a "long man"
2007-06-16 11:55:15
144.   Ravenscar
I can't believe this is only the bottom of the 5th. It seems like I've been here for hours.

Oh wait.

2007-06-16 11:55:49
145.   rbj
136 That I can't answer.
133 From Pete Abraham's blog, he's saying that Igawa's pitching well; though granted it is AAA. I'd really like Clippard to succeed, but not at the risk of missing the post season.
2007-06-16 11:55:49
146.   randym77
138 Yes, I think so. He was really bad last year. Even if he wasn't running, he was scared to get near the wall. It was bizarre. It was like he thought it was going to bite him. He's actually much better this year.

Torre once said it was because there were wires along the fences in Philly, that would break your fingers if you got caught in them.

2007-06-16 11:56:27
147.   matt nokes forever
140 It's just become comical at this point, b/c whenever he feels dirt from the track under his cleats (and sometimes even before that) you can see him jump a little or start to shy away. I still think he's an above average outfielder, but it has become blatantly obvious that he's got something in his head about the wall.
2007-06-16 11:57:41
148.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Yes!

Beautiful pitch by Viz!

This is our game.

2007-06-16 11:57:46
149.   Shaun P
143 Oh yes. A long man is much better than a guy who could pitch in the late innings and actually get guys out, without giving up walks and homers.

As for Myers - better to blow the LOOGY now, with the lefty-hitting second baseman having the fluke month of his life due up next! Why save him for Delgado or Beltran late in a game?

And if having a lefty ready for Gotay is so important, why not Villone? Or Henn?

I'm sorry, I'm in a heck of a sarcastic mood.

2007-06-16 11:57:50
150.   Zack
145 Pitching well, but still with scary GB/FB ratios...
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2007-06-16 11:57:58
151.   matt nokes forever
146 And fans that like to throw batteries at you... the closer you get to the bleacher seats, the better their aim.
2007-06-16 11:58:02
152.   Max
I am actually one of the very few people who believes Viz is capable of getting people out...as far as relievers who you're forced to bring in early, I've seen enough to prefer him to alternatives like Henn and Villone. He's gotten lucky to be sure, but I like the way he's navigated out of some jams.

I even prefer him to Farns, who I don't want to see in anything less than a 10 run game.

With that said, the hook on Viz has to be quick, quick, quick, once he shows signs of losing it.

2007-06-16 11:58:04
153.   Chyll Will
I called that pitch 1/2 hour ago...
2007-06-16 11:58:26
154.   Ravenscar
OK, as a Mets fan, I would like to bitch for one second about Vizcaino's WEAK pitch-don't pitch-pitch-don't pitch strategy that sadly worked against Castro.

There.

2007-06-16 11:59:16
155.   weeping for brunnhilde
146 The FAN guys said Bobby actually did run into a wall in Philly and they suspect that was the pivotal moment in his demise.
2007-06-16 11:59:51
156.   Shaun P
148 What's happening? Gameday is stuck on Vizcaino's second pitch to Castro (a strike!).
2007-06-16 12:00:47
157.   Ravenscar
Jorge couldn't let LoDuca show him up, double-wise.
2007-06-16 12:00:58
158.   Zack
And no Proctor is up? WHaaaaa?
2007-06-16 12:01:04
159.   matt nokes forever
155 They may be right, but anything coming from the FAN I take with a grain of salt.

And I do remember Rowand breaking his nose on the wall in Philly too. I'm sure it was different than the padded walls at the Stadium. Whatever the case, though, Bobby Abreu is scared of the wall. It's really an undebatable issue.

2007-06-16 12:01:53
160.   weeping for brunnhilde
See, 'cause we've been hitting Glavin really hard all day.

They didn't really hit Clippard so hard, so I would have given him a shot.

2007-06-16 12:02:03
161.   Chyll Will
155 Yeah, those walls in Philly are tough. It's a good thing it only mugged him and took his wallet.
2007-06-16 12:02:41
162.   weeping for brunnhilde
155 Perhaps, but I'm talking about the broadcast team, not their hot-button talkshow people.
2007-06-16 12:03:40
163.   weeping for brunnhilde
110 Yeah, me too, on both counts. I think Leiter's great and that overhead shot is just a thing of beauty.
2007-06-16 12:04:07
164.   Ravenscar
Zambrano no-hitter thru 7. 4 walks, 90 pitches.
2007-06-16 12:04:17
165.   Chyll Will
159 All in all, it's just another brick in the wall...
2007-06-16 12:04:47
166.   matt nokes forever
160 T-Clip was on a short leash, especially after the rough outing against AAA Pittsburgh a couple of days ago. And rightfully so. He's got tons of upside, but he's young and the only reason he's here right now is b/c of injuries.

Send him down, let him work it out, and let's all pray they fixed the Made-In-Japan lefty.

2007-06-16 12:05:04
167.   Shaun P
There's something pretty exciting happening with the Cubs, if anyone is interested. Keep your eyes on ESPNEWS I guess.
2007-06-16 12:05:49
168.   matt nokes forever
164 And Young was throwing a no-no to match him into the fourth, until he and Carlos Lee mixed it up and both got tossed. Could have been one of those unbelievable matching no-hitters.
2007-06-16 12:06:17
169.   Ravenscar
The Shawn Green Fielding Experience. A little bit like the Spinal Tap Jazz Odyssey.
2007-06-16 12:07:01
170.   matt nokes forever
HA! The undisciplined wonder Cano coming through to plate the speed-demon Posado... this is our game.
2007-06-16 12:07:03
171.   weeping for brunnhilde
Wow!

Everybody's safe!

Just as I'm cursing Robby for that weak-ass ground ball, it actually finds the hole and we get a run!

I love this game.

2007-06-16 12:07:04
172.   randym77
147 I think he would be an above average outfielder if he weren't so scared of injury.

I was just reading the Baseball Think Factory 2006 AL GG picks. They noted that the Yankees outfielders were pretty awful. Damon scored well by their system, but Bernie, Melky, and Abreu were terrible. They thought the Yanks' bad OF defense was the reason they couldn't get back the Tigers.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but I do think Abreu's fear of the wall and reluctance to dive compromise his defense.

When the Abreu trade was announced, some Phillies fans came here and warned that we'd get sick of him shying away from wall, letting balls drop in in front of him, and whining if he's not batting third.

They were wrong about the batting third thing.

2007-06-16 12:07:15
173.   Zack
Robbie, bout time!
2007-06-16 12:07:19
174.   Chyll Will
Pastadiving Gotay!
2007-06-16 12:09:49
175.   matt nokes forever
172 But Melky has turned into an above-average outfielder, Matsui at least has a quick release to compensate for some of his inadequecies, and Abreu has decent speed and a very strong arm... Yes, they do miss plays that others would get too, but they are not awful defensively.
2007-06-16 12:10:10
176.   weeping for brunnhilde
I love this game and I love Miggy.
2007-06-16 12:10:18
177.   Ravenscar
Thanks for nothing, Schoenweiss.
2007-06-16 12:10:30
178.   matt nokes forever
Atta Boy, Miggie! A text-book RBI dying-quail to right!
2007-06-16 12:10:34
179.   seamus
miggy mantle!
2007-06-16 12:10:57
180.   Bob Timmermann
Just 6 more half innings with runs scored to tie the modern record and 7 more to tie the alltime record.

The alltime record could be tough to make if the Yankees don't bat in the 9th however.

2007-06-16 12:11:04
181.   thelarmis
i'm watching the Cubs game on WGN. it's really been a great game all around. Big Z's about to come out for the 8th. he made an unbelievable play w/ 1 out in the 7th to maintain the no-no. announcers haven't mentioned it, which is nice. big brawl early on with chris young & derrek lee. little marcus giles helped quell it very nicely.

CAIRO!!!

2007-06-16 12:11:34
182.   Max
Yeah Miggy!! That almost makes up for the Castro and Gotay bombs.
2007-06-16 12:12:45
183.   matt nokes forever
181 And before the brawl in the fourth, Young hadn't given up a hit either. BTW, is Barrett catching? That would be amazing.
2007-06-16 12:13:37
184.   Chyll Will
Wow, is it pouring down there? It's dry as a bone in the North Bronx...
2007-06-16 12:13:53
185.   Shaun P
Miggy Miggy Miggy, can't you see, sometimes your craptastic bat just hypnotizes me -

Sorry. Couldn't help myself there.

181 Phew. Just saw an SD baserunner, but it was a walk.

2007-06-16 12:14:16
186.   matt nokes forever
181 But it might be tough to finish off b/c the Cubbies still haven't given him a run to work with. 0-0 in the 8th.
2007-06-16 12:15:27
187.   Ravenscar
If Zambrano has to leave after 125 pitches and no score, maybe he'll punch Barrett.

Who isn't even playing.

2007-06-16 12:16:28
188.   thelarmis
no hitter gone. high chopper off zambrano's glove. 7 1/3rd. there was a leadoff walk and a strikeout, so 1st & 2nd w/ 1 out. he could lose...
2007-06-16 12:16:40
189.   matt nokes forever
Proctor time! Does this mean we see two innings of Scott or two of Kyle? God, I pray this thing is a rain-shortened win so that we don't have to see any of Kyle.
2007-06-16 12:18:31
190.   thelarmis
god do i HATE leadoff walks. no matter the situation. bollocks!
2007-06-16 12:18:37
191.   Chyll Will
Marcus Giles singled. End of no-hitter...
Now he can go punch Barrett.
2007-06-16 12:19:59
192.   Ravenscar
And now, we wait.
2007-06-16 12:21:34
193.   OldYanksFan
Has anyone suggested wrapping Bobby in bubble-wrap? Remember that movie (Mighty Ducks?) where the tied the goalie to the goal and everyone shot pucks at him? So he would see getting hit wasn't so bad?

Maybe everyone on the team should run with Abreu into the wall. "See Bobby.. no wires! 10 fingers! Life is good!" This guy needs some aversion therapy.

2007-06-16 12:21:50
194.   Chyll Will
How about that? If we can get twenty minutes out of this, maybe Proctor doesn't come back to walk in the go-ahead run. Okay, who was the wise guy praying for rain?
2007-06-16 12:23:47
195.   Zack
Ok, so while we are in this delay, can we all declare that since Henn didn't come into this game, it is officially rediculous to ahve him on the roster if he won't pitch in Villone's spot. So Free Chris Britton!
2007-06-16 12:24:20
196.   thelarmis
big Z up at bat, so he'll come out for the 9th. cubs only have 2 hits. carlos swinging for the fences. good stuff.
2007-06-16 12:24:54
197.   weeping for brunnhilde
185 :)

Two rbi is nothing to sneer at.

Just saying.

2007-06-16 12:25:08
198.   thelarmis
what's the delay - is it raining up there? boo. it's gorgeous here in the Atl...
2007-06-16 12:26:52
199.   weeping for brunnhilde
198 'Tis.
2007-06-16 12:28:52
200.   Chyll Will
Here's an idea: Off-season, send Bobby to China to train with the Beijing Opera Company, so that next season in game situations, when he runs to the wall he can float away at the last moment before impact.
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2007-06-16 12:30:37
201.   matt nokes forever
194 My prayers are answered... My only fear is a multi-inning Farnsworth appearance.
2007-06-16 12:31:03
202.   seamus
200 we need to do that now just so I can see it!
2007-06-16 12:31:09
203.   thelarmis
padres homerun for branyan. 1 out in the 9th. big z will lose this one...
2007-06-16 12:31:32
204.   Chyll Will
198 It's nice north of the Cross Bronx Exwy.
2007-06-16 12:31:36
205.   matt nokes forever
200 Or remove the padding from the right field walls and replace it with delicious churros... mmmmm... yummy... Bobby like churros.
2007-06-16 12:32:05
206.   thelarmis
199 thanks weeping. is it pouring? or look like a possible quick delay?
2007-06-16 12:32:41
207.   3rd gen yankee fan
...Carlos Zambrano... come pitch for the Yankees... we'll give you run support...
2007-06-16 12:32:59
208.   matt nokes forever
204 and its nice on the other side of the verrazano too... unfortunately that is also not where the Stadium is located
2007-06-16 12:33:19
209.   thelarmis
starting to rain in chicago too. here's comes trevor...
2007-06-16 12:33:29
210.   seamus
207 and we have a long history of punches in the dugout.
2007-06-16 12:33:52
211.   matt nokes forever
209 bye-bye, cubbies.
2007-06-16 12:34:17
212.   thelarmis
207 zambrano throwing to georgie - that's A LOT of red ass right there! might as well set the ball aflame...
2007-06-16 12:35:11
213.   matt nokes forever
210 Let's turn Pavano into the back-up catcher, and he can be behind the dish for all the Big Z's starts. Let that bitch earn his friggin money. Takin' haymakers from Carlos.
2007-06-16 12:37:49
214.   Chyll Will
212 Farnsworth's been trying to do that since he got here, but he's only really succeeded with the stuff under his cap. Oh, and Schteeve.
2007-06-16 12:40:41
215.   Chyll Will
Is this a good time to mention I've finally started a blog?
2007-06-16 12:40:45
216.   rockymtnyankee
Padres-Cubs - Every time I see Hoffman, I think of that huge, game-winning Scott Brosius HR in Game #3 of the '98 World Series.
2007-06-16 12:41:44
217.   thelarmis
215 sure, what's the addy?

hoffmann = 501 saves. zambrano = loss.

how's the rain lookin' in da bronx - pouring or light?

2007-06-16 12:42:05
218.   3rd gen yankee fan
Oh! That is a HARSH loss for the Cubbies!
2007-06-16 12:43:03
219.   Shaun P
215 Of course it is! Now quick, what's the URL?
2007-06-16 12:43:08
220.   thelarmis
218 and they'll probably lose D-Lee for a few games due to suspension.
2007-06-16 12:45:45
221.   matt nokes forever
220 What about Peavy, coming out of the dugout during the fight? Miss a start maybe?
2007-06-16 12:47:29
222.   Chyll Will
217 seriousconsideration dot blogspot dot com
2007-06-16 12:49:59
223.   thelarmis
221 yeah, peavy will probably miss a start. he got ejected. in fact, they were tracing the entire incident back to him. sori really showed up boomer wells on a homer yesterday and peavy said something in the paper about drilling a cub in the ribs. something like that. padres have thrown 11 shutouts already this year.

thanks for the link chyll, gonna check it soon!

2007-06-16 12:54:19
224.   Shaun P
222 Read and bookmarked. Looks good so far. I'm looking forward to your comic strips, myself.
2007-06-16 13:01:27
225.   Ravenscar
Errrrr we're back.
2007-06-16 13:06:20
226.   rockymtnyankee
Watching the College Baseball World Series during the delay...love this event, despite the metal bats. Watch out for the UC-Irvine Anteaters.....first time in the College World Series.....tied 4-4 today with Arizona State.
2007-06-16 13:06:22
227.   matt nokes forever
225 And so is the Proctologist.
2007-06-16 13:06:24
228.   pistolpete
Jesus, about time they got Reyes....
2007-06-16 13:07:41
229.   matt nokes forever
That was alot easier than I thought it might be.
2007-06-16 13:08:22
230.   Chyll Will
224 Wow, thanks! I'm getting them lined up, so don't worry. Come by tomorrow too, I'll have a rather revealing Father's Day post up for anyone who's into that kind of thing...
2007-06-16 13:12:07
231.   matt nokes forever
Three-hit day for Jeet! And Human-Highlight-Reel couldn't quiet get to that grounder up the middle... so he is mortal.
2007-06-16 13:13:40
232.   matt nokes forever
And we can steal bases too! So there, bitches!
2007-06-16 13:14:26
233.   Chyll Will
I don't want to stir up trouble (or maybe I do), but tell me exactly why Bud and Mitchell are not showing the same concern and drive to investigate the issue of "performance enhancing drugs" with someone who actually has admitted to using them, as opposed to starting a proxy war over someone who kinda admitted, but not really?
2007-06-16 13:16:55
234.   3rd gen yankee fan
223 Take attention away from the fact that he doesn't want to be at the game when Bonds hits HR #756?
2007-06-16 13:17:22
235.   3rd gen yankee fan
oops, meant 233
2007-06-16 13:18:06
236.   matt nokes forever
233 Because they are currently "investigating" to find a suitable scapegoat to take the owness off of them and the other owners and administrators in baseball who turned a blind eye to the issue for as long as humanly possible. It's like O.J.'s search for the "real" killer. Riiiite.
2007-06-16 13:19:36
237.   matt nokes forever
Atta Boy, Deki! Two-run seeing-eye single. HA!
2007-06-16 13:20:02
238.   3rd gen yankee fan
buh bye metsies!
2007-06-16 13:20:17
239.   rockymtnyankee
Chyll Will - I have the same question......Why so much attention to Giambi, who at least was honest with the Grand Jury, vice Bonds who obviously lied, or others?? Maybe because of Mitchell's BoSox links.......
2007-06-16 13:20:18
240.   seamus
ha! now we got a run cushion that we can use.
2007-06-16 13:20:52
241.   matt nokes forever
240 Maybe a Henn siting?!?
2007-06-16 13:21:14
242.   Max
Deki loves that NL pitching. Those tack on runs are sweet.
2007-06-16 13:21:23
243.   seamus
241 that would be appropriate.
2007-06-16 13:22:03
244.   weeping for brunnhilde
How 'bout that!

The second time today.

Off the bat, I started to curse Hideki for rolling over but somehow the ball dribbled through!

Two runs!!

Yaayyy!!

2007-06-16 13:25:35
245.   rockymtnyankee
Godzilla is an absolute terror against NL pitching!...even if this one was of the seeing-eye variety.
2007-06-16 13:31:00
246.   matt nokes forever
Did Scott just paint the black on Castro with a 97 mph fastball? Wow. Who knew?
2007-06-16 13:31:19
247.   Chyll Will
Proctor, doing an impressive Wetteland impersonation. Only, it's too early for that...
2007-06-16 13:32:23
248.   Chyll Will
247 Only, it's never really the right time for that...
2007-06-16 13:35:40
249.   seamus
good game for Farns to get action.
2007-06-16 13:36:52
250.   Chyll Will
234,236,239 Okay, so I'm not crazy... or at least not the only one, hmmm... (strokes bristly chin contemplatively)
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2007-06-16 13:38:07
251.   Chyll Will
Okay, walking double!
2007-06-16 13:39:29
252.   rockymtnyankee
The best parts of this game have been all the 2-out RBI hits by the Captain (3 hits, including a 2-run HR, and a stolen 3B), Cairo, Damon, and Godzilla....to go along with AROD's usual HR.
2007-06-16 13:40:27
253.   Chyll Will
Better!
2007-06-16 13:40:43
254.   pistolpete
Jeter is an absolute hitting machine. Check under his hat - there's wires & circuits!
2007-06-16 13:40:57
255.   seamus
This Jeter guy is pretty good.
2007-06-16 13:42:27
256.   Chyll Will
Good to see him trying to go the other way...
2007-06-16 13:44:10
257.   thelarmis
i wanna keep up this 2 runs per inning thing. deuces are wild!
2007-06-16 13:44:22
258.   Chyll Will
Bobby sure has a loose grip on the bat. Not that it did him any good, but wow...
2007-06-16 13:44:38
259.   thelarmis
ah, it didn't work. oh well. who pitches the 8th - kyle?
2007-06-16 13:45:21
260.   Max
249 I would have felt better with two more runs in that last inning before bringing in Farns. But that's just me.

At least Mo is fresh today.

2007-06-16 13:45:48
261.   Chyll Will
Rachel Ray is officially Not That Important.
2007-06-16 13:47:02
262.   seamus
260 5 runs is plenty. if he looks bad you pull him before it gets close.
2007-06-16 13:47:04
263.   Chyll Will
Who was Farns trying to say Hi to there?
2007-06-16 13:48:26
264.   thelarmis
i hate having to repeat myself: i absolutely LOATHE leadoff walk. no matter the situation. throw strikes, dammit!
2007-06-16 13:49:35
265.   seamus
geez. farns. 1 more batter for you. and thats it.
2007-06-16 13:49:56
266.   Chyll Will
263 Oh, I see. He jumped the gun on Gomez...
2007-06-16 13:50:56
267.   rbj
Ah, nice to see that Farns is looking out for Mo and trying to give him a save opportunity.
2007-06-16 13:51:08
268.   matt nokes forever
Really?! A five-run lead and we have to get Mariano up in the pen? Ridiculous... Someone please eliminate the Farns.
2007-06-16 13:51:18
269.   thelarmis
ugh. i'd love to get rid of this guy. free chris britton!
2007-06-16 13:53:01
270.   3rd gen yankee fan
Free Chris Britton!
2007-06-16 13:53:17
271.   Chyll Will
Burst into flames! Burst into flames!
2007-06-16 13:54:46
272.   Max
262 Not with Farns. Though that strikeout did shock me.
2007-06-16 13:54:56
273.   thelarmis
i don't know about anyone else but i'm kinda curious to see how Quest is gonna look upon his return. we know he can strike batters out and if he's straightened out his head, as well as his mechanics, he might be a worthy addition. i'd like to see kei and britton on the staff.
2007-06-16 13:56:29
274.   seamus
272 sure it is. just like it was earlier this week.
2007-06-16 13:57:39
275.   matt nokes forever
274 It's never enough with him... ever.
2007-06-16 13:58:45
276.   Chyll Will
273 Maybe wait and see how the market shapes up (can we move Farns, et al) into the All-Star break?
2007-06-16 13:59:18
277.   seamus
275 if that were true, we'd be down right now...
2007-06-16 13:59:25
278.   pistolpete
I could definitely see an NL team taking a chance...
2007-06-16 13:59:35
279.   thelarmis
nice. 20 pitches though...
2007-06-16 14:00:08
280.   seamus
Farns is moveable. Though only Cashman knows what kind of offers are coming his way.
2007-06-16 14:01:41
281.   Chyll Will
279 Yep. He's toast 'til Tuesday...
2007-06-16 14:02:35
282.   thelarmis
He's toast 'til Tuesday...

Voices Carry!

2007-06-16 14:03:50
283.   Max
280 When was the last time he had an inning of less than ten pitches though?

I just think it's absurd to be sweating a five run lead at 5 in the afternoon with your "primary set up guy" on the mound, because the guy can't throw strikes and insists on making every at bat an adventure.

2007-06-16 14:04:55
284.   Max
283 Woops, I meant 279 on my last post.
2007-06-16 14:06:04
285.   seamus
283 I think a bunch of NL teams believe he can be effective in the NL.
2007-06-16 14:08:23
286.   Chyll Will
282 >;) You and macedonia will get along at my blog...
2007-06-16 14:09:16
287.   seamus
i was shocked to not see beltran run that down.
2007-06-16 14:09:21
288.   matt nokes forever
285 What about the Phillies with their disasterous bullpen? And they're a team still in both races.
2007-06-16 14:09:30
289.   thelarmis
atta boy, robbie!
2007-06-16 14:09:32
290.   3rd gen yankee fan
I just had a premature HA! escape me.
2007-06-16 14:09:33
291.   Chyll Will
A Robbie-ribbie. Nice going with it, man!
2007-06-16 14:10:56
292.   thelarmis
290 channeling sterling? ; )
2007-06-16 14:11:40
293.   Chyll Will
288 Who do we get back?
2007-06-16 14:11:44
294.   Mattpat11
Just returned from the beach. Was listening on the radio. Farnsworth still sucks.
2007-06-16 14:12:27
295.   Max
285 I hope you're right. It would be nice to see us get something of value for him. :-)

His stuff looks amazing. But I have completely lost faith in his mental makeup. Sort of like I did with Contreras, though I always felt he would do well somewhere else.

2007-06-16 14:13:46
296.   thelarmis
manny went yard. bosux up 1-nil, man on 2nd, 1 out, bot 4
2007-06-16 14:14:17
297.   Chyll Will
290 Proud to say I've never had that problem >;)
2007-06-16 14:14:39
298.   Mattpat11
I think dumping Farnsworth would be addition by subtraction. Don't worry about who we'd get.
2007-06-16 14:18:01
299.   Chyll Will
298 I worry if he performs well for someone else without the expectant injury (Randy). You don't sit him on the curb until you find out what you can get first.
2007-06-16 14:19:21
300.   Mattpat11
299 If he does well somewhere else so be it. He's been an incompetent setup man for us for a year and a half now. Its time to cut ties and wish him the best.
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2007-06-16 14:19:46
301.   3rd gen yankee fan
292 ... don't you dare go there.

297 and remember I'm a chick. ;-)

2007-06-16 14:20:27
302.   thelarmis
c'mon scoreless inning for Mo. i wanna see that era keep getting lower and lower and lower...
2007-06-16 14:21:45
303.   thelarmis
301 hey, i didn't get a wink face. i was only kidding! : )
2007-06-16 14:22:23
304.   Mattpat11
That was scary.
2007-06-16 14:22:58
305.   Chyll Will
300 Oh I agree with you, but not for nothing. We got something for Chacon last year, why not get something for Farns? 100mph oughtta bag us a mid-level prospect at least.
2007-06-16 14:23:11
306.   Mattpat11
302 Or at the very least someone needs to commit a big error if it looks like a run might score.
2007-06-16 14:24:14
307.   Mattpat11
305 Because keeping Farnsworth and allowing him to pitch for this team until we get an offer hurts our team.
2007-06-16 14:24:24
308.   thelarmis
306 i like the way you think!
2007-06-16 14:24:42
309.   thelarmis
alright, DP time...
2007-06-16 14:24:46
310.   Mattpat11
come on DP.
2007-06-16 14:25:05
311.   Mattpat11
That'll do.
2007-06-16 14:25:09
312.   3rd gen yankee fan
303 I'm sorry. Just the thought of channelling Ster... UGH!!!! I can't even type it!
2007-06-16 14:25:24
313.   thelarmis
nice! 1 more...
2007-06-16 14:26:08
314.   thelarmis
312 remember, i'm in atlanta, so i really never see/hear him except for when i watch the yankeeography dvd sets...
2007-06-16 14:26:19
315.   Mattpat11
308 I want the ERA to drop just as much as you. :)
2007-06-16 14:26:27
316.   matt nokes forever
312 Don't worry... you'ld burst into flames immediately if it actually happened. You wouldn't feel a thing.
2007-06-16 14:26:53
317.   matt nokes forever
314 Does it make your ears bleed too?
2007-06-16 14:27:07
318.   Mattpat11
where was that?
2007-06-16 14:27:17
319.   Chyll Will
301 I know, I heard that happens on this end too >;)
2007-06-16 14:27:59
320.   Mattpat11
Uh oh.

Just throw it down the middle and let the chips fall where they may.

2007-06-16 14:28:18
321.   matt nokes forever
318 Fleming said it caught too much of the plate.
2007-06-16 14:28:37
322.   Mattpat11
DAMNIT TO HELL.
2007-06-16 14:29:19
323.   matt nokes forever
Shit, shit, shit!!!
2007-06-16 14:29:33
324.   thelarmis
bollocks. i didn't see it, can we give cap an error instead?!
2007-06-16 14:29:42
325.   matt nokes forever
323 Or should i say, "Oh, carp!"
2007-06-16 14:30:05
326.   murphy
this has been the worst f-ing game ever. if it ends in a loss, the whole rest of my day will be ruined.
2007-06-16 14:30:15
327.   Mattpat11
324 We can give Mo one.
2007-06-16 14:31:31
328.   thelarmis
carp, tying run at the plate. dispose of him.
2007-06-16 14:31:57
329.   thelarmis
Moses at over 30 pitches...
2007-06-16 14:31:59
330.   matt nokes forever
YES just showed a stat... Mo's also already thrown 31 pitches
2007-06-16 14:32:08
331.   murphy
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2007-06-16 14:32:23
332.   Mattpat11
We're gonna lose this game.
2007-06-16 14:32:50
333.   rbj
Man this is an infuriating game.
2007-06-16 14:33:11
334.   seamus
getting nervous. cannot lose this one...
2007-06-16 14:33:15
335.   Mattpat11
Okay, maybe not. But those two runs piss me off. Can we add them to Farnsworth's stats?
2007-06-16 14:33:17
336.   murphy
worst. game. ever.
2007-06-16 14:33:18
337.   3rd gen yankee fan
We are not gonna lose this game. I simply refuse to.
2007-06-16 14:33:19
338.   thelarmis
5 singles. winning run at the plate, in form of our should be CF'er... : /
2007-06-16 14:33:21
339.   Chyll Will
HA!
2007-06-16 14:33:22
340.   matt nokes forever
Thank god!!! Holy carp.
2007-06-16 14:33:32
341.   seamus
yes!
2007-06-16 14:33:37
342.   3rd gen yankee fan
HA! Phew!
2007-06-16 14:33:56
343.   seamus
Ha!
2007-06-16 14:34:01
344.   thelarmis
335 absolutely! let's give 1 run to farns and another to Viz, just because...
2007-06-16 14:34:06
345.   murphy
HA! indeed.
2007-06-16 14:34:34
346.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Gameday has all 5 hits this inning as groundballs. Was this just a case of grounders w/ eyes? Or were they hitting Mo hard?
2007-06-16 14:34:46
347.   Mattpat11
338 He got dinked and donked to death on those singles.
2007-06-16 14:34:49
348.   thelarmis
niiiiice! let's take the series tomorrow nite. it's john & joe, but at least i get to watch my boyz in person. mute button rules! have a great nite all...
2007-06-16 14:35:01
349.   matt nokes forever
344 Nonsense... they'll both get charged to Britton. Who cares that he's in AAA? It's probably his fault in Torre's eyes anyway.
2007-06-16 14:36:34
350.   nemecizer
Shouldn't Mo get the save? Or does he not get it because he put himself in the position of the tying/winning batter coming up?
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2007-06-16 14:36:46
351.   thelarmis
349 great! so i say, bring britton up and give him a chance to lower that stinkin' era of his : )
2007-06-16 14:37:00
352.   Mattpat11
344 Deal.
2007-06-16 14:37:16
353.   rbj
350 Yes -- you can't put yourself in the position to get a save.
2007-06-16 14:37:18
354.   Ravenscar
Carlos Beltran: 0-6

You knew it was coming.

2007-06-16 14:37:23
355.   Mattpat11
350 No save.
2007-06-16 14:37:38
356.   thelarmis
350 he won't 'coz he started the inning with a nice 5-run cushion...

bonds is up at the fens. showered with boos.

2007-06-16 14:37:53
357.   Chyll Will
349 A-Rod just said it's all Britton's fault...
2007-06-16 14:38:30
358.   thelarmis
dice-k - only 2 hits thru 5.
2007-06-16 14:40:06
359.   Chyll Will
350 That would be like being your own grandfather.
2007-06-16 14:40:50
360.   rockymtnyankee
That was painful.....Given the pitching match-ups, I figured the Yankees had the advantage last night, and the Mets today.....so today, painful as it was, made up a little bit for last night's very disappointing loss. Now, let's hope CMW the Worm-Killer is on tomorrow night, and we win the win the series. Then, I'll be at the next 3 games against the Rockies here, and hopefully the Yankees will have a 5-game winning streak.....with the Giants and O's up next. Now is the time we need to keep gaining ground.

And, my vote is to send the Clippard down, and give Igawa another chance.

2007-06-16 14:41:01
361.   thelarmis
mattpat - ugh, mo's era up to 4.50. me no likey.

bonds getting squeezed at the fens.

2007-06-16 14:41:57
362.   Mattpat11
361 Okay. Just need to start again and bring it down.
2007-06-16 14:46:04
363.   Mattpat11
360 I've had my fill with Igawa.
2007-06-16 14:49:00
364.   Mattpat11
The flaw in putting your hopes on Rich Aurilia is that he's Rich Aurilia.
2007-06-16 14:52:09
365.   thelarmis
yeah, that year aurilia hit 37 homeruns, screams out like luis gonzalez, brady anderson, bret boone...
2007-06-16 14:59:44
366.   Mattpat11
On the postgame they're speculating about the Kei Igawa return. Its looking good. Or bad, however you want to look at that.

I CAN'T WAIT.

2007-06-16 15:14:11
367.   3rd gen yankee fan
Matt Cain is pitching another gem, poor guy.
2007-06-16 16:05:03
368.   JL25and3
Just back from the game...366 I'm not thrilled about the prospects of Quest II either. But the fact is, Clippard's looking more and more like he's just not ready.

Man, that Reyes can play ball. There were two things that really impressed me, beyond little things like hitting and fielding and running. One was his persistence at the plate - I don't know how many balls he fouled off today, but it was at least a buttload, maybe a buttload and a half. The other was a throw he made from deep short, where he didn't even look like he was throwing hard, just a nice easy throw that went like a clothesline to first base. Great stuff.

2007-06-16 16:16:36
369.   Mattpat11
368 I've always had far less problems watching a player with some potential struggle than watching a poor signing, proven failure, or career minor leaguer signing struggle.

I'd much rather watch Clippard try to play through it than repeatedly smash my head against the wall with Kei Igawa.

2007-06-16 16:25:28
370.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Igawa's last outing for Scanton he may only have given up 1 er in 6ip, but check out his gb outs vs flyball outs: 1-13 GB/FB

That does not bode well. I see a lot of homeruns in the future.

2007-06-16 16:36:05
371.   RZG
370 Like Clippard won't give up homers? Let Clippard get some work in and when he comes back up maybe he'll be able to get ahead of the hitters.

Right now Clippard's not improving.

Let's see after a few starts if Igawa has improved, otherwise you can always go back to Clippard.

2007-06-16 16:36:45
372.   Mattpat11
I see a lot of homeruns in his past as well.
2007-06-16 16:42:41
373.   Mattpat11
371 I can see "wait to see if Igawa improves" turning into a Ponson thing where he hangs around for a month, pitching to an 11 ERA, and we pretend there's still a chance that things will get better.
2007-06-16 18:11:05
374.   Zack
Eh, Igawa's as good a choice as Clippard is right now. Actually, he's better, because Clippard HAS regressed and CAN learn in AAA. Remember, hes only pitched about 1/4 of a season there. Igawa, on the other hand, could probably use some more time in AAA too, as it's helping, but on the other hand, hes not as young as Clippard, so theres less to lose in terms of development.

Sure, Clippard "could" fight it out in the majors and try to learn on the job, but he;d be far better off doing so in AAA. We aren't talking about Hughes here, who clearly had nothing left to do in the minors...

2007-06-16 18:24:22
375.   markp
Igawa's problem was his control. Since that hasn't been a problem in the past, it's unlikely he can't fix it. Other than that he was pretty effective, as his K/9 show.
Meanwhile, it's obvious Clippard needs a bit more work. It's a logical move.
2007-06-16 18:37:42
376.   seamus
375 agreed. There is potential. We don't know if we'll see it, but he is as good as anyone we have right now for the 5th starter spot.
2007-06-16 18:37:45
377.   RIYank
Yo.
Missed all of that game except for a half inning, uh, I think it was the bottom of the seventh, one of those rare uneventful ones.

I still like Clippard in the long run, but I'd give Quest another shot if somebody watching certifies that he's recovered. What we need now is the mostest innings with the fewest runs so we can win as many of those 5-starts as possible, and I'm afraid Clippard isn't the man. I'm not at all sure that Igawa is the man, but it's pretty clear that Clippard isn't.

Ha!

2007-06-16 18:41:40
378.   Mattpat11
Well, if he strikes people out...

Hey, it netted us Farnsworth.

2007-06-16 18:52:34
379.   weeping for brunnhilde
Tough win there, team.

I sure didn't like that 9th. Good thing the Mets can't hit these days, viz. Beltran.

I have pretty high confidence for tomorrow.

I'm a great fan of Duque and he's been pitching great (last outing was poor, however), but seeing as how we thumped Glavine, I'm pretty sure we'll thump Duque too.

Strange, because I often feel like our boys can't hit the slop-throwing junkballer types (Moyer and Wakefield come to mind, but anyone with good junk seems to keep us off balance) and yet we got to Glavine.

(I know we hit Wakefield sometimes too, but I'm always surprised. When he's at all on, we have no chance.)

Anyway, if we could take care of Glavine, we'll handle Duque.

So don't worry.

Too bad the Bostons won tonight, but we just have to keep pace, more or less, and we'll be fine.

2007-06-16 19:09:24
380.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, and I just have to say that Jeter is amazing.

What a game, eh?

He can hit the ball anywhere. Double down the right field line, groundball up the middle, dinger to left.

I'm amazed he has the strength to get that inside pitch out of the park.

Is that all shoulders and forearms, or what?

Do .300 hitters often get this much better at this age?

I know this sounds crazy, but this guy has an outside shot at 4000 hits.

So far he's indestructable, knock on wood (unless he dives headlong into a catcher's knee, and even then, he manages to put up 156 hits).

Anyone know how his hit total stacks up against the greats at this age?

What would he have to do to make a run at 4000?

Anyway, that's just a fantasy. The real point is that his learning to turn on that inside pitch with such authority is just ungodly.

He's really not a bad player, cringe though I do watching him go to his left.

And how 'bout that Jorgie?

People keep saying he won't hit .340, but I have to say, I'm not so sure.

He seems to be getting his hits by spraying the ball around more and reacting to the ball rather than guessing, as he used to do. He's just not getting fooled nearly so much as he used to and he seems to be hitting the ball where it's pitched way more.

Are these skills that are subject to decline with fatigue?

He could slump, of course, but it's hard to see how, given his approach, because I've seen him look very bad and very good in the space of one game, which suggests he's adjusting with unwonted alacrity.

I don't know, it's hard to see how he'll manage to squander so many points off his average by year's end, catcher's fatigue or no.

And when people point to the fact that he's never hit this well before, as if that alone makes it unlikely he will now, I just have to say, he's never hit this well before because he's never hit this well before.

Meaning, it's not just that he's locked in with the same old approach, but he's actually reinvented himself, as far as I can see, which could mean that all bets are off, no?

Either way, we've got some amazing talent on this team and it's a pleasure to watch.

2007-06-16 19:24:33
381.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh my God, did you guys see Sori showboating there in Chicago?

Unbelievable.

Makes Manny look like Joe D.

The guy actually started back-pedaling down the line while doing a little jig.

That was a whole new level of showboating: I can't say I've ever seen anything quite like it. It was really like a little touchdown dance.

2007-06-16 19:32:34
382.   yankz
380 "He's really not a bad player"

Please tell me you're intentionally understating for effect...

As for 4k hits, I don't think he'll get it, but deep into the 3000s is easily possible he stays healthy, especially if he continues to age like the finest of wines.

2007-06-16 19:33:52
383.   yankz
Oh, and he's always had the ability to turn on the inside pitch with authority. One of my favorite memories involving Jeter happened in I think '99. Pedro was on the mound and struck out Jeter on a fastball up and in. Next AB, Pedro tries the same thing, except this time, Jeter deposits it over the monster.
2007-06-16 19:35:58
384.   weeping for brunnhilde
382 I am, I am!!

There's a rhetorical term for it, but I forget.
Reverse hyperbole.

Of course, you never know with me, right?

;)

2007-06-16 19:37:00
385.   Shaun P
380 IIRC weeping, Jeter is ahead of Rose's 'pace' at the same age. Jeter could get 4000 hits, but he's going to need some luck. Mainly staying healthy and still being a decent enough hitter to play until he's in his early 40s. Pete Rose was awful after his 40th birthday, but he kept getting playing time - enough to get over 2100 more ABs. (Of course, it helps when you're also the manager).

The question is, what position will Jeter play when he's 40? Probably not SS, not all the time, because his range will have shrunk, and his bat isn't likely to compensate like it does now. CF? I can't think of anyone that 'old' learning to play CF. I can't think of anyone learn to play CF for the first time at 35, or 33 for that matter. So probably not. Third? Possibly, but the question will be, is his arm still strong enough - and is A-Rod still a Yankee? First? That's where Rose got most of his post-40 playing time - but again, A-Rod may be at first by then.

2007-06-16 19:39:26
386.   DadinIowa
If Cash and Brass can show some patience, we look pretty good in the next year or two with the Yankee Clippard and other young pitchers coming up. Combined with Cano, Melky, Tabata, and the old guys (Jetes, A-rod, Matsui) I feel good about this year and the next few. Any concrete word from the Yanks on when Hughes will be ready? The more time he can spend with the big club this year with Clemens, the brighter his future will be.
2007-06-16 19:39:38
387.   Schteeve
379 I think the Yankees handle soft tossing junkballers pretty well of late. Wakefield, Davis the other night, Glavine today. What keeps me up at night, are memories of the Yankees looking completely unable to hit Bonderman, Verlander, and Zumaya last October. I think we have hitters who kill pitchers who fall behind in counts, but fireballers with good command.... forget it.
2007-06-16 19:43:24
388.   Shaun P
384 That's what I mean. pastadiving Jeter is still funny now, sort of, but is only going to get worse the older he gets. Yes, he's a speedy player, so he should age like the finest of wines (hap tip to yankz 382), but if he doesn't, the move off of SS has to happen that much sooner. And then we're back to, what position does he play?

Even Joe D. and the Mick got moved off of CF eventually, because they just couldn't do it - and they were awesome defensive players! The question is, will Jeter hang around to play another position, like Mickey did (and will that position be available?), or will Jeter hang 'em up, like Joe D. did?

My guess is he hangs around (I guess he could DH?), but that's going to depend. By 2011 (when Jeter is 37), I'll be surprised if Mo, Posada, and Andy aren't all gone. Torre too. Maybe there won't be enough reason for Jeter to keep playing. Who knows?

2007-06-16 19:43:41
389.   DadinIowa
All clubs have trouble with those type of pitchers. The keys are patience, and men in blue who will not expand the zone. Like today's game (as frustrating as it was)
2007-06-16 19:44:33
390.   yankz
384 I had to ask! HA!
2007-06-16 19:47:11
391.   yankz
My best guess is Jeter to third a la Ripken Jr. A-God at first, someone (Attorney General?) at short.
2007-06-16 19:51:34
392.   Mattpat11
Isn't Gonzalez projected as a utility player?
2007-06-16 20:02:42
393.   weeping for brunnhilde
385 Well you know the obvious answer, right?

First base!

;)

No, seriously, he'll have to just suck it up and volunteer to move to first or left. He'd learn anything well enough to do a passable job, so that's not a concern.

How cool would it be if he worked out a deal with Arod whereby the latter promised to re-sign on condition the two good buddies switched positions?

The team would be so much the stronger for it, can you imagine? Alex at short? That'd get us a few extra games surely, by some sabermetric or another, no?

Or actually, how 'bout second? Valentin's gotta be about forty, isn't he? He does a very fine job for the Mets.

Wow, if I ran the zoo...

2007-06-16 20:08:12
394.   weeping for brunnhilde
386 Hey, do you really live in Iowa? I used to live in Iowa!

I agree, I feel good about the future, but provided the front office strikes the right development between youth and experience and has a real long-term plan, which at this point has to begin facing squarely what to do with and how to use Mo, Derek, Jorgie, etc. They should by this point be actively thinking about a replacement shortstop, so when the time comes, something's in the hopper. Even if it's not the best choice, at least it would be a plan.

I hate the desperation moves because they've become routine, i.e., not desperate, but only lazy and impatient.

Clemens would be the obvious example of that, but maybe it's less egregious because he's a pitcher, I don't know.

Agreed about Hughes learning from Clemens. Oh, and speaking of which, they mentioned that Mo's been working with Vizcaino lately.

2007-06-16 20:10:24
395.   weeping for brunnhilde
387 Yeah, I agree, but it is of late, right?

Because it seems like for the past several years at least, these guys would just eat us alive, keeping us constantly off balance in that maddening way where you get a game's full of lazy flyballs, a couple of them mildly threatening, maybe a couple of walks sprinkled in, but never the solid line drives.

I wonder what's changed, 'cause it seems that something has.

2007-06-16 20:11:03
396.   weeping for brunnhilde
390 :)
2007-06-16 20:17:52
397.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, and btw, I think Robby's going to drive me insane. I don't know if I'll ever get used to this if he doesn't make an adjustment.

I feel like he's toying with me. He's right on the cusp of being great, and then you see greatness for a few days, when he's on every pitch and he's just a force of nature, and then he goes back to the flailing-and-pulling style of hitting. But his swing is still just good enough that even doing that, he'll get his hits by accident, but you want to see his greatness unleashed and made consistent.

I think my greatest pet peeve about hitting, which might be at the root of how I experience the game, is inconsistency. About fielding, too.

I get frustrated by what appears to me to be wasted potential.

I hope Cano never becomes a Farnsworth figure, how tragic would that be?

2007-06-16 20:26:14
398.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, and re: Jeter and injury, is there a point past which the likelihood of losing major time to injury decreases?

I mean, by now, it's not just luck that's kept Jeter healthy, but constitution, right? I mean, is it safe to speak of him as an iron man by now?

How many times has he been on the DL?

Other than the Huckaby thing, his low in games is 148. The man just doesn't miss games.

At this point, unless there's really something catastrophic, he's not going to be nagged to death by injuries like, say, Bernie with his shoulders.

It seems likely, in other words, that he will in fact remain healthy, doesn't it?

2007-06-16 20:43:41
399.   weeping for brunnhilde
I can't believe how the Mets and the Yankees have completely switched MOs. Mets fans talk of the Mets the we we did the Yanks not so long ago.

The abject frustration, the calls for people's heads, the disgust.

Glavine's their Moose, "He's not fooling anybody! He's pitching bp! He misses the corners and when he throws a strike it's deposited in the left field seats. He's done."

Delgado is Abreu. Everyone's now convinced he's done.

It's nice we're playing good ball again; that shit sucked.

2007-06-16 20:56:52
400.   Shaun P
398 I'm not sure. Intuitively, you'd think the older someone gets, the greater the chance of injury. But I seem to remember Will Carroll writing about how that wasn't true. I could be wrong - its late, I'm tired, and I don't have the energy to try to look it up.

400 posts. Not bad.

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2007-06-17 04:41:55
401.   RIYank
394 Oh, and speaking of which, they mentioned that Mo's been working with Vizcaino lately.

Aha.

Apparently they forgot to explain properly. "No, no, Luis, you are supposed to be getting tips from Mariano."

2007-06-17 06:17:14
402.   RIYank
T-Clip optioned back to S-WB after the game, and K-Thomp returns (to pinch hit, I guess). Igawa is expected to start in SF.

Happy Father's Day!

2007-06-17 06:58:25
403.   seamus
Clippard saw enough to know what he needs to work on. Clearly, consistent control comes to mind. Also, did his fastball top out in the mid 80s or something? Hopefully we get to see more of him in September with the callups, though I suspect we'll be fighting over our playoff opportunities.
2007-06-17 07:20:18
404.   weeping for brunnhilde
403 I think he hit 88-89 a couple times on the YES gun.

You're right, it's all about control. He looks great getting the hitters to flail at his junk, though, so he just has to set it up consistently and he'll be a pretty good pitcher.

Also, he doesn't seem to come unraveled, at least, so far as I could tell.

2007-06-17 08:22:23
405.   Bags
Hi all. I'm a die hard reader, but an infrequent poster. Sorry for the digression, but does anyone have driving/parking tips for the stadium? I normally take the 4 train from the city, but tonight I'm driving in with relatives from CT. Any tips would be most appreciated.
2007-06-17 08:24:19
406.   Chyll Will
400 Wow Shaun, that's harder to find than you would think. I poked around and found little to work with on that particular account, though there is evidence to suggest it exists, perhaps at BP (which I don't subscribe to, so it's moot.)

I will put out there a crazy theory that conditioning has a lot more to do with risk of injury than age. Age is a natural component of the body's ability to withstand and recover from injury, but as Olympic athletes had shown over time, conditioning and injury history are stronger factors in determining an athlete's projected injury risk, not to mention the type of action an athlete is used to doing.

To use extreme examples of that point, thrusting your fist into a bag of rice will likely have a stronger conditioning effect than thrusting your fist into a dugout wall >;)

But on the point that weeping makes, Jeter has a strong chance of having a long career free of major injury as A-Rod or say Omar Vizquel, excepting that Jeter has a longer injury history and, by nature of his position and style of play, a higher risk.

That risk, however, is lowered to a discernible degree by the training and conditioning that he's involved in. With some adjustments for age, and barring major injury (which is to say, luck), I wouldn't be surprised if he was still manning SS at 40, provided another star hasn't been produced by that point.

But that, like most things I say, is theoretical and subject to scrutiny and ridicule, but more likely ignored >;)

Speaking of ignore, why don't you all come by and ignore me at new blog when you don't have the time. That said, I will not make any more announcements about it, as I do not ever want to be confused with Reader 11375 or whatever the devil his name is >;)

www.seriousconsideration.blogspot.com

2007-06-17 08:52:47
407.   Chyll Will
405 Hey Bags, I've seen you before. If you want to save yourself from Stadium traffic hassle, why not do this:

Since you're familiar with the 4 train, maybe it would be easier to drive to Woodlawn (E 233 Street exit off of Major Deegan south) and park your car in that area, then take the 4 train down? I know that there's a paying parking lot only a block-1/2 off that stop under the tracks. This way, you save yourself a real headache from Major Deegan traffic near the Stadium. Or, you might find a decent parking spot in that area anyway, but it never hurts to park in a lot.

To get there from CT, I would advise taking I -684 South to Saw Mill River Parkway, then take that South to Cross County Expwy East, then merge right and take the Exit South for Major Deegan. From there, take the E 233 Street Exit, but don't turn onto E 233rd (go straight along Jerome Avenue) until you hit the 4-train Woodlawn stop. Under the tracks and to your left will be the parking lot.

It's a little more complicated from the NE Thruway, and if that's the way you'd be coming then you might as well take that to the Hutchinson Pkwy South, then take the Westchester Avenue-Pelham Bay exit (I think that's the second exit coming off the ramp) and park underneath the 6 Train, which will take you to 125th Street Station, transfer to the uptown 4 Train and go from there. Either way you avoid the heavy-duty crowd traffic, but add about an hour to your trip for subway purposes.

Good luck Bags, and I hope that wasn't too much spaghetti-logic >;)

2007-06-17 08:53:20
408.   Raf
405 Yeah, take the train in. Or if you all really want to drive in, leave earlier than you normally would. With a combination of Sunday night game opponent & construction traffic, it's going to be a PITA no matter where you go
2007-06-17 08:56:15
409.   3rd gen yankee fan
Happy Father's Day, alla youse fadders!
2007-06-17 09:03:32
410.   Raf
I'd like to add that you'd probably want to avoid the 6 if you could. The 6 runs local all the way to Pelham Bay. I don't live too far from the Castle Hill stop, and that's a long ride @ night. If you're coming down the thruway, you may as well make the extra effort and take 287 to the Sprain to the Cross County to the Saw Mill ad then to Woodlawn
2007-06-17 09:28:23
411.   Chyll Will
410 Raf's absolutely right, I used to live near that same exact stop (how about that, Close Encounters!). Forget what I said about the 6 train, either drive in really early or try the 4-train method (and sit in the front car on the way back up).
2007-06-17 09:29:06
412.   Count Zero
Anybody else catch this in the Star-Ledger?

"JEFF CONINE An official with a National League team, speaking on the condition of anonymity because discussions are ongoing, was asked if he thought the Yankees would make a play for Dunn. He said no, but he also said, "But the Reds have two first basemen." The veteran Conine, a smooth glove man at first base who's making just $2 million, might be a more reasonable fit for the Yankees, who probably don't need a ton of offense from whomever they get."

I wouldn't be opposed to that rental...I like it a lot better than Dunn. Although he's probably getting some park benefit this year...

vs. Left .286/.356/.506/.862
vs. Right .318/.354/.409/.763

2007-06-17 09:46:12
413.   markp
Conine is a career OPS+ 108 guy, has been well below that in recent years, and is 41. Phelps is more valuable than he is right now.
2007-06-17 10:03:59
414.   Bags
Thanks for the help all. Most appreciated.

Will, I almost feel like I know you by now. Your good nature, not to mention good humor, is one of the great things about this great place.

2007-06-17 10:20:47
415.   Chyll Will
414 (blushing) and here I thought people thought I was like that paper clip mascot on Microsoft Word. To borrow an expression from Brother weeping, :)

Actually... ?

2007-06-17 10:27:39
416.   alasky
Joba strikes out the side to start the game...I'm very excted that by next June, we could have a staff with Hughes, Joba, Britton Edwar Ramirez, and Kennedy. At least one or two of our awesome starters should turn into beast relievers!
2007-06-17 10:38:01
417.   alasky
5 ks in 2 innings...
2007-06-17 10:57:13
418.   Shaun P
412 413 Conine's one advantage over Dunn is that he's a righty. But I'd rather see Phelps (also a righty) play too over a 41-year-old who hit .265/.325/.401 in '06 with Baltimore.

Conine is getting a power boost from the GAB (.731 OPS on road, .930 OPS at home including all homers hit at home); otherwise his other rates are about the same. But why give up something to get a guy like Conine, when you have his younger, cheaper, more powerful version sitting on the bench in the form of Josh Phelps? Or when you can get an equivalent guy from the free talent pool, and pay next-to-nothing for it?

No, if the Yanks are giving up anything, I'd rather see them get something of real value in return.

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