Baseball Toaster was unplugged on February 4, 2009.
On an unseasonably cool June evning in the Bronx, the stage was set for Mike Mussina to have a productive night. Home plate umpire Tim Welke was calling strikes--though he still managed to irk the Yankees' starting pitcher--and the opposing team was hacking. Mussina came through, pitching into the eighth inning, striking out a season-high seven batters. Although his fastball didn't break 90 mph, Mussina painted the corners, had good control and a sharp breaking ball.
"His stuff seemed real similar to what I've seen in the past," said Eric Byrnes, who was 1 for 4. "People talk about how his stuff's declined, but obviously it didn't look like that tonight. He comes right at you and throws strikes. He made us get ourselves out, and we continued to do that all night."
(N.Y. Times)"It's all about keeping us off balance, and that's exactly what he did," [Chad] Tracy said. "He took something off his fastball at times, put something on his fastball, in and out, up and down. He did his job."
(Arizona Republic)
Alex Rodriguez, Jorge Posada and Godziller Matsui all homered as the Yankees cruised to a 7-2 win, their eighth straight victory. Combined with a Red Sox loss, the Yanks now trail Boston by 8.5 games.
Rodriguez's home run hit off the facing of the upper deck in left field. "You never had to look twice," said Joe Torre. "He killed that ball." Rodriguez now has 25 dingers--a number he didn't reach until the middle of August last year--and 66 RBI. Mmm, Mmm Good.
Dang, it was friggin' cold. Why does beer still warm you up on cold days? Felt like October baseball (a hint of things to come, perhaps?). Whatever...last night was another feel good game and I left a happy camper!
Amazingly- only seven home runs in the majors this season have had bat speeds of greater than 120 mph, and Hideki Matsui has TWO of them (4/24 off Scott Kazmir and 5/28 off Dustin McGowan).
(www.hittrackeronline.com is awesome, by the way)
Mike Mussina has 242 career wins, 95 of which are with the Yankees. There have probably been many different catchers for those wins. With the Yankees, Jorge Posada has been the catcher for the overwhelming majority of them. In some of those games, Mussina has pitched really well:
http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2007/06/ten_best_ny_gam.html
Mussina began the year injured and pitched poorly when he returned - poor velocity and location. Recently, he has pitched more in keeping with his 17 year record of excellence. The Yankees manager, who has been in the dugout for everyone of Mussina's Yankee wins, attributes this to Will Nieves (15 games started as a catcher in MLB since 2002) being the starting catcher. Predictably, the Yankees beat writers follow suit, citing miniscule statistical samples comparing Mussina's ERA with the two catchers this season.
Almost every year Torre pulls this nonsense with Posada (usually only for a few games, during which it's proven to be arrant nonsense). Most egregious was 05 when Johnson blamed his poor start on Posada and Joe "Mr. Loyalty" Torre backed him up. Both Johnson and Torre were deserving of Johnson's awful Game 3 start in the Division Series against the Angels with Flaherty catching.
Maybe Mussina, the Stanford Economics graduate, can explain to Torre the difference between coincidence and causation.
Personally, I have no problem with it as long as they get Jorge's bat in the lineup at DH - provided he's hot at the time, that is..
It seems like he's at least aware of how it looks and wants to make it clear that he doesn't dislike working with Jorge.
thanks.
Is there a reason the Yanks won't take a stab at a Ben Broussard type? He's a good defensive first basemen and he can play against righties.
Credit goes to the lousy player who happened to be there.
The Yankees start winning because Arod resumes his assault on MLB pitchers, Abreu starts being lights out at the plate, the starting pitchers have a long string of quality starts, but the reason they're winning is because Cairo is playing 1B.
Again, credit goes to the lousy player who happened to be there.
Arod makes a great play at 3rd, Cairo makes a routine swipe tag that Giambi or Phelps make 99 out of 100 times, and once again the credit goes to the lousy player who happened to be there.
The end result is Nieves, who should obviously be replaced by a real MLB backstop, now has an "important function" on the team. Cairo and his 76 career OPS+ continues to get starts at 1B and nobody calls Torre out for such a ridiculous move and Cashman doesn't try to get a real 1B who Torre will "have confidence in" and nobody calls him on that, either.
1B has been officially Womacked, and a AA player is the BUC for all of 2007 and probably 2008 as well.
60 catchers have over 30 ABs so far this year, in all of MLB. Over half of those 60 are sub-catcher-replacement level. In other words, there aren't exactly a lot of good-hitting Cs to go around.
I imagine Cashman will try to make a change, like he did last year (Sal!). Its also very early to make trades. There are barely a handful of teams (outside of the AL East) who are probably out of playoff contention - KC, Texas, ChiSox, DC, maybe the Reds and 'Stros. Give it time.
I happen to like Cairo at first base, but I honestly can't recall having claimed that "the reason they're winning is because Cairo is playing 1B."
Is anyone making that analysis? If so, I've not seen it.
And as far as Nieves, you call him a "lousy player" but that seems to me fallacious in this context, which pertains not to his bat, but to how well he works with Mussina.
That's it.
In that context, he could be a stellar player for all you know.
Or maybe he works poorly with Mussina, but at least let's be clear about what we're discussing.
What's your opinion of Nieves as a catcher?
Not as a hitter, but as a catcher?
And more precisely, what's your opinion of how he works with Moose?--that's what's germane here.
The guy's doing a bang-up job out there and seeing as how he's playing, why not appreciate that? He makes fine plays every night that ought to be enough to make a baseball fan smile.
Why not give it a rest and pull for them a little? They're emminently likeable characters and they're doing their best.
And moreover, they're not like Farnsworth, who falls short of expectations and was counted on to be a Big Man. These guys aren't supposed to be Big Men so why evaluate them according to those standards?
Take what they can give you.
I prefer the proactive approach and want to see the best lineup thrown out there that we have, and that doesn't include Cairo and his 'situational' hitting in it...
Me, I'm enjoying watching the Yankees, and Cairo's playing isn't ruining that, but it annoys me...so be it...
Having a guy with a 76 career OPS+ at 1B is absurd. I don't care if you "enjoy watching him play" there or not. That has zero to do with the fact that 1B is only below DH as a place that requires a good offensive player.
As for Nieves, there's a reason he couldn't get a job in the majors. His career didn't start in 2007. He's been awful everywhere he's been. Playing most of his AAA career in SLC-a great hitter's park and a lot of the rest of it in A or lower, he's managed a 737 OPS in 11 minor league seasons. That's really bad: using league & park factor for the PCL, it's probably under 700. His MLB OPS is .418.
He doesn't block the plate or throw out runners any better than average.
Giving him credit for Mussina's turnaround is silly. Mike Mussina has been able to fix his own problems and is the first guy a lot of pitchers we trade for go to talk to for advice.
Do you really think I root for these guys to fail? I don't blame them-I blame Cashman for not getting a real 1B or BUC in the off-season, knowing how Torre manages baseball teams (Sojo at 1B, Zeile against RH with Nick Johnson available).
As far as "take what they can give you", why not get players who can give you (a lot) more?
But am I to understand that when you actually watch the man make a graceful play, you feel nothing?
You're really unmoved?
I don't mean to be patronizing, so please don't take it that way, but I guess it's just hard to understand not appreciating a good play.
But we all watch baseball in our own way, so I respect that. But I'd like to do more than respect it, I'd like to understand it.
So if you could tell me what about his defense leaves you unmoved, I'd appreciate it.
Is it that you just don't think his defense is as good as I do? Because frankly, I'm really impressed by his glove. Perhaps our standards are different?
Just trying to understand here.
Who the hell is Torre suppose to put at first? If the lineup dynamics change because of Cairo, where more responsibility falls on ARod, Abreu, Jeter, Matsui, Damon, and Posada, and those guys know they have to deliver then that's a good thing. I firmly believe it plays in the psyche of all players - if they know they have a great lineup then they probably think that they'll be picked up by the next guy in the batting order. Not saying they don't try that hard, they just don't feel they need to try that hard because everyone is all so great. I felt that crept in during last year's ALDS. If a team has guys that aren't all-stars, then that puts more attention and responsibility squarely on the guys that should be delivering.
Every now and again Cairo will surprise with the bat, but on defense he's every bit as good as the best first basemen. His presence in the lineup, at least I believe, puts more onus on the players ahead of him to deliver. It might be a reach on my part, but it happened last year with Melky and they played well, and then the team went flat once Sheff and Matsui were in the lineup for the ALDS and Melky was pushed out.
18 As for Mussina fixing his own problems, wasn't it just last year when he started hot that Mussina supposedly got some profound insight from Posada--at least that was the story last year.
I agree with Zack, and while I'm glad this winning streak is happening to make me excited about baseball again... I'm saving unrestrained glee for the stretch against Oakland, Minnesota, and LAoA. Beating up on the NL is one thing... facing Haren, Santana, and Lackey is another. The Yankees would have to win at least six of those ten games to really convince me they will contend this year.
.217/.208/.304.
Ouch. We all acknowledged that Minky was not good for just these reasons. A not hit, all glove 1B is, well, a waste.
Its good to see Cairo out there making some nice plays at 1B, but me, I get a heck of a lot more satisfaction from watching a guy hit then watching the occasional niceish play at 1B...
Oooh, try as you might, you won't lure me in with this juicy bait.
For the Giants series, the plan is to produce and sell foam asterisks in place of those fingers. Cute.
I don't want to sound patronizing, but I think you might want to investigate raising your standards a bit.
The one thing i think MKZ's injury has shown is that Cairo can be the 1B LIDR, so when we go get that real starting 1B, MKZ has no role, Cairo can still be the LIDR.
Cairo so far has been just fine, I might even say he's been a godsend. I expect him to be a serious offensive liability in the future, and that puts a crimp in my optimism. I'm hoping Cashman has this year's Abreu-type move on the back burner.
There's talk of the Red Sox getting involved in a 3-way deal with Cincinnati in which Boston would deal Crisp and maybe Tavarez and end up with Teixeira. It seems unlikely -- all 3-ways do, I guess -- but there's a lot of buzz.
By the way, did any see Goldman's entry on Pinstriped Blog yesterday?
I think my head just exploded.
headline: MIGGY'S DOUBLE STEAL!
I'll check back in a couple of hours (my son is graduating... from fifth grade).
Do you remember Trak-Ball? Is that what you meant by Cairo's fling? >;)
But I like Cairo at first purely as a short-term stopgap. As long as his throws are kept at a minimum, he can do no worse than Phelps and Scrabble combined. But I suspect the only reason most people don't notice his presense in the lineup per se (as in, not costing the team potential winning runs) is because everyone else has stepped up. Let's see how that plays against the AL West.
Just a way to amuse myself cheaply, and it's fun to play on the Banter once in a while as well. I'd like to see a real first baseman show up at some point, but I prefer Cairo to existing alternatives certainly (which I realize is damning with faint praise). I root for the underdog as much as anyone, and I have a soft spot for a decent utility player like him.
47 Word, Chyll. Word. Miggy in the short-term = OK, I guess. Miggy in the long-term = cover your eyes!
he'd come cheaper than dunn, he's sporting a .828 ops and he's a good fielder (by past metrics and reputation, anyway, i haven't looked at this year)
he's sort of an actually useful version of what Stinky actually is ...
Anyone watching the game on tv? Is Davis really this bad? (Not that I'm complaining.)
42 (pssst... notice how everyone's so seriousness and statistically these past few weeks? Really hard to get a fundamental joke in edgewise nowadays. My throat's getting awful dry from the wind, closing in on my wit I suppose...)
Tight strikezone today?
Only two runs? Meh.
None of the Yankees in that inning had a good swing, except for Melky maybe. Jeter was trying to reach out and hit the curve before it broke, and just missed it.
Abreu, Matsui and Cano all hacked the ball into the ground.
Davis' curve is pretty nasty.
64 Krivsky would take Farnsworth + a pitching "prospect" + Viz for Dunn. If only the Reds will fight back into contention . . .
http://blogzarro.com/?p=71
he's an awful defender (dial has him at -12 and 3rd from the bottom in LF for last year), which really limits his appeal to an NL club
he becomes a free agent at the end of the year if he's traded, which limits what teams are going to want to give up for him
the reds don't seem to really value him very highly
i think that if he is traded, he's going to come cheaper than most would guess
http://tinyurl.com/2nh7q7
"hi, friend!"
his response?
"i'm not your friend."
i like that guy. not as an everyday 1B... or any position on a daily basis really, but as a person.
i hurt myself i was laughing so hard.
it was cold and i was wearing a sweatshirt over my yankees shirt... he might have thought i was trying to mess with him... i guess... i don't know...
i do know that it was funny.
and banging A-Rod's wife.
RUSTY KUNTZ.
How do you live with that name?
But I love the editorial:
"DICK FOWLER. The most disturbing name ever?"
Nice hit, Alex.
Ha!
Bobby could use a pitch-back in right instead of the warning track.
Cripes!
Yes, his name was (I kid you not) Dick Liss.
HA! A-Rod!
not Dick Trickle?
He's gotta learn to lay off that pitch next.
Hang in there, Robby.
From what people say, it seems like it's not just the DH, but that AL lineups simply have better hitters at each position on average than NL ones.
Anyone know why this should be?
Of course, the Yankees contradict my thesis the last few years, by building a bench dedicated exclusively to defense, with little attention to offense.
Peter Schmuck !!!
Maybe in a couple of years after he fills out a bit that ball's gone.
Rusty Kuntz
Peter Schmuck
Dick Pole
i mean, c'mon, go Under "Russell" or "Richard" or "Pete" - something, anything
God, it's so good to have him back.
I don't think he was ever this good the first time around. I mean, he was pretty great then, but he seems to have kicked it up a notch.
He just looks so smooth and confident out there day in and day out, like an ace.
What a fine pitcher.
Dick Hurtz
Red Ruffansore
Mike Hunt
Hit that big-ass hook out of sight.
138 Yes, but just about every other stadium in the NL is a pitchers park. And some of them - RFK, Petco, PacBell, Dodger Stadium and Dolphins Stadium (143 notwithstanding) - are severe pitchers parks.
Safeco is the only severe pitchers park in the AL, traditionally, though I'll bet Oakland looks like one this year given how the pitchers are pitching.
Did you see him reaching, there?
Oh well, he's on first, so I'll take it.
149 those aren't real names... are they?
If someone wants to do ths for the last few years, have at it. Of course, PF is rather flaky (last year Yankee Stadium played as an extreme pitcher's park, #27 out of 30 in PF), so far this year it has played as an extreme hitter's park.
(i'm only half joking.)
Ok, boys, we have to plate Jorgie.
Big run here.
it states that murray is one of THREE players to amass 500 homers & 3,000 hits. wow, they've really blackballed Raffy from the game. that was fast...
last i checked, that list was Aaron, Mays, Murray and Palmeiro
Big hook, right over the middle.
That's a good breaking ball.
Still, I wonder if it would be easier to hit if they went up there looking for it.
Day: 84 PA .163/.179/.263
Night: 173 PA .329/.376/.503
In his career, its similar, although still marginally better at night.
;-)
I knew you'd come around.
Can Andy make it through the 8th?
Because we're not scratching out any more runs, which is a bit dismaying.
:) I know that wasn't you in the thread last night that made me commit suicide. I just think it's funny.
Anyone else notice that?
1) He doesn't start the curve out high enough and it flattens out.
2) He doesn't get the 2 seamer in enough to righties.
In other words, take Coors out of the '05 calculation, and what do you get?
Old Reliable.
http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/CharacterBios/kif.dhtml
Come on boys, bring him home!
Happened all the time until he went down.
I think the most interesting, and least utilized, aspect of park factors is something that Dayn Perry pointed out at BP a couple years ago. We ignore their components too much. Dodger Stadium depresses runs, for example, but not because it depresses all offense. It depresses singles, doubles and triples - but actually increases home runs.
Anyway, that sounds right. NL with slightly more depressed run scoring than the AL. I'm guessing that the .003 difference isn't all that significant, though.
I think the most interesting, and least utilized, aspect of park factors is something that Dayn Perry pointed out at BP a couple years ago. We ignore their components too much. Dodger Stadium depresses runs, for example, but not because it depresses all offense. It depresses singles, doubles and triples - but actually increases home runs.
Anyway, that sounds right. NL with slightly more depressed run scoring than the AL. I'm guessing that the .003 difference isn't all that significant, though.
Is there a game going on? monkeypants, mehmattski and I are having a great discussion about park factors. =)
The one problem now is that Abreu and Jorgie have both swung the bat poorly today.
But maybe they'll get some better hacks off this new guy.
He was in there.
Fuck.
Was the play at home close? Gameday doesn't say. =(
Meanwhile, more winning baseball.
That was a big play.
235 fair enough.
Does that sound like a good plan?
The play with Phelps and Andy, that little dribbler, may have been made with guys used to working together.
So I hope Melky just stays out there and learns to work with his corner guys.
It was terrible watching Sheff collide with Bubba.
Nice work, Andy.
Old Reliable.
I say they've all got it wrong - it's the other guy from Texas who seems to have pulled this team up on his back & carried us to this point.
244 Better EDSP than Farnsworth.
The guy made a nice strong and accurate throw, reaching the catcher on a hop or two.
Miggy slid in just as the ball arrived and seemed to get a limb in there under the catcher, but was called out.
It was bang-bang.
How many is he at, does anyone know?
I say definitely trot him back out, he's looking really strong.
And just get Mo up.
No fucking around.
I love that glare of his.
I also love his delivery. It's about as pretty as Mo's.
Jorgie's not swinging too well today.
Nice going on the defensive side! I wish you guys had slightly better concentration at bat, though -- we could have six or seven runs if you'd stop talking about "park factors".
Joe brings him in, sees the guy walk two guys and goes to get Myers to pitch to a lefty in the 4th inning.
Ha!
Well, that's why he's such a great hitter this year. He looked poor earlier and managed to adjust in the space of one ab.
That was very impressive.
NO BUNTING.
"You have to attack the strike zone, and trust your fastball, and above all else, throw strikes."
- If you are going to split hairs, I am going to piss off.
Excellent!
Just a blooper, but it got the job done.
Put it in play, boys, put it in play!
Wow, the "D"-backs do play atrocious D.
...well, that's what my oldest sister told me all the time.
Godzilla Matsui!
The guy was a major league baseball player, you know.
But yeah, to hear Farns go on like that would be funny.
I guess I just think Flaherty's a stand-up guy and deserves some respect.
not that torre could ever think that far ahead, or that strategically
It's not like he's talking himself up or anything.
I would have had Andy continue, but it's been a loooong half inning.
312 You guys rocked those first 50 or 60 comments. I will not forget it for a long time.
I couldn't stop laughing there. Man, does anyone like Unit?
322 That darn Phelps. He gets to first base but of course he doesn't score a run. What's wrong with him?
Mmm, coffee.
3.5 back in the WC if Milwaukee holds up their end of the bargain.
343 To me, Pavano is still in the rotation. He's resting, missing a start, you know.
Is it just me?
Guidry: But he's pitched really well... just let him finish it.
Torre: We can't let him finish the game! He might get to 120 or 130!And his elbow would immediately implode!
Guidry: But we can save our relievers for the weekend.
Torre: I must use Scott Proctor!
355 Awesome...
Not that I'm thinking Wildcard.
372 Nice to have it in the back pocket while we go after the division, tho'...
But I think his point is that for a backup guy to make a routine play is not something to take for granted, especially when the backup guy is a utility guy and not a career 1B.
"Routine" is obviously relative.
Major league baseball players make "routine" plays all the time, yet a good many of them are actually not "easy."
And as to Phelps not hustling out of the box, all jokes aside, I think he might have had a shot at getting to second there, that's all I was saying. It wasn't a knock, just an observation.
Maybe I don't get the joke, but I think it's fair to call a guy out for not running hard.
Actually, that reminds me of something I was thinking last night. Our runs/game production has been damped by the fact that we haven't actually batted in the ninth inning during this home stand! We've lost 1/9 of our run chances. I wonder how that figures in fancy sabermetric predictive hoo-has.
Or O'Neill?
Or Murcer?
(Not that I'm even listening to YES, but I understand.)
368 It should be more like:
"Ron, how many pitches has Andy thrown?"
"101, Joe."
"101!? Christ Ron, we can't let him throw that many pitches. He might finish the game! We can't let him finish the game! (and so forth)
Somehow, whenever someone starts out a thought in that manner, it never ends in a good place...
So it means that teams who aren't scoring many runs actually look better in runs/game than they are, and teams who are scoring a lot of runs look worse than they are.
Ice cream for everyone.
This would be such a good time to visit Fenway! Can't have everything.
HA!
398 I second that HA!
"Personal Message from Jeter, Ortiz, and Ripken
Too busy to call your dad? Allow us"
Apparently they'll send a "personalized" phone call to your dad.
What an ugly thing.
If you're too busy to call your dad on Father's Day, you need a different life.
405 Its a promotion thing for MLB on XM. Its actually pretty funny (and cool). I wouldn't use it as a Father's Day substitute though. What a horrible suggestion. MLB ought to know better . . .
Oh wait. We're talking about MLB! Almost forgot. I'm not surprised those brain-dead half-wits approved something that dumb.
413 Only because he's here. Apparently it doesn't work any other time >;)
*I'm too lazy to find out who originally coined this nickname, but props because it's money.
http://tinyurl.com/37f5z2
(Not the tinyurl, the actual one.)
Via firejoemorgan.
At 64 games apiece the Yankees have scored 360 and allowed 327 runs. The Red Sox have scored 327 and allowed 256 runs.
With rounding the scoreboard should read:
Red Sox 40 24
Yankees 38 26
If we track to our expected mean we should be closing in rapidly.
6/3 Clippard: 5 IP, 1 ER
6/4 Wang: 9 IP, 1 ER
6/5 Mussina: 6 IP, 1 ER
6/6 Pettite: 8 IP, 4 ER
6/7 Clemens: 6 IP, 3 ER
6/8 Clippard: 3 2/3 IP, 6 ER (oops)
6/10 Wang: 7 IP, 1 ER
6/11 Mussina: 7 2/3 IP, 2 ER
6/12 Pettitte: 8 IP, 1 ER
Outside of Clippard, Clemens had the worst start. :)
grand slam off beckett! wooh!
Almost as much fun as when Schilling gets smacked around.
No one is fooled by his split-finger. I think in the 2 games I watched, Cano was the only one who swung at it. Everyone else just watched is dive to the dirt. Which is why he had to start using his curve more, when you'd think a 95 mph fastball and a splitter would be enough.
He must be tipping the splitter, no?
I thought about this watching BPT show how Rogers's release of his fastball and splitter vs Pitts were identical. Guess not for Becks.
However, the next two batters will be huge...
Geez, the guy's a great hitter, but he really looks like a clown.
Colorado over Boston 6-1 in the 7th!
Yaaayyyyyyy!!!
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