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The Arizona Diamondbacks
2007-06-12 11:29
by Cliff Corcoran
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The Arizona Diamonbacks are one of the most interesting franchises in baseball right now. The most obvious reason is that they've won more games than any other team in the NL thus far this season and the oldest player in their starting line-up is 31-year-old Eric Byrnes. In fact, Byrnes and old man Tony Clark (now 35) are the only two Arizona position players over 30. Meanwhile, four of the D'backs' regulars were rookies last year and three of the men on their bench are rookies this year. Things are only slightly different on their piching staff as the oldest man in their pen is 28-year-old failed prospect Juan Cruz and their rotation is led by 28-year-old defending NL Cy Young award winner Brandon Webb and 24-year-old rookie Micah Owings.

Thus far it's been that pitching staff that's put them on top as the D'backs are tied with the Mets as the second stingiest staff in the NL (fourth in the majors), allowing just four runs per game. The average Arizona starter has lasted 6 1/3 innings per start and posted a 3.51 ERA. Of the seven men to start for the D'backs this year, only rookie Edgar Gonzalez had an ERA over Owings' 3.76 in the role. Gonzalez has since been bumped to the bullpen (by Owings) where he is the only man with an ERA above closer Jose Valverde's 3.33.

Things are less encouraging on offense, but Byrnes, who looked like a right-handed platoon player who was on his way out of baseball two years ago when he jumped from Oakland, to Colorado to Baltimore over the course of a single season, has been mashing (.319/.379/.518) and doing the bulk of his damage against righty pitchers (.332/.384/.508). Orlando Hudson, the second oldest Arizona starter, was worth keeping in the lineup for his glove while in Toronto, but since joining the D'backs has come into his own at the plate to the point that he's legitimately the second best second baseman in baseball (behind Chase Utley and ahead of Robinson Cano). In his best season as a Blue Jay, Hudson hit .270/.341/.438. In his career as a Diamondback he's hitting .288/.360/.456.

As for the youngsters, Conor Jackson is from the Mark Grace school of first-basemen: high average, high on-base, but not the sort of power expected from the position. Catchers Chris Snyder and Miguel Montero aren't hitting enough to make Yankee fans regret the fact that neither was included in the Randy Johnson Deal. Right fielder Carlos Quentin started the season on the DL, then went 4 for 8 with three doubles and a walk in his first two games of the year, but has hit just .200/.289/.345 since. Shortstop Stephen Drew raked as a rookie in the second half last year, but has struggled over an equal number of games this year.

Then there's center fielder Chris Young. Young is considered one of the top prospects in the game and was the ultimate prize from the original Randy Johnson deal (he came to Arizona from the White Sox in the Javy Vazquez-El Duque deal). Like fellow prospects Drew and Quentin, Young got off to an awful start, but he's hit .315/.330/.528 since May 7 and was even hotter than that before a groin injury slowed him at the end of the month.

Of course the two Randy Johnson deals, along with the now-ancient 2001 World Series, provide ample opportunity for rivalry here, but the most compelling angle to tonight's game is the pitching matchup of Webb and Chien-Ming Wang, last year's NL Cy Young winner and AL Cy Young runner up and two of the most extreme and most successfull groundball pitchers in the business. Oh yeah, and if the Yankees win they reach .500 for the first time since May 9, when they improved to 16-16 by beating Robinson Tejeda and the Texas Rangers.

Here's to wondering if either team will play a seven-man infield at some point tonight.

Arizona Diamondbacks

2006 Record: 76-86 (.469)
2006 Pythagorean Record: 80-82 (.494)

Manager: Bob Melvin
General Manager: Josh Byrnes

Home Ballpark (2006 Park Factors): Bank One Ballpark (107/106)

Who's Replacing Whom?

Chris Young replaces Luis Gonzalez
Carlos Quentin replaces Shawn Green
Stephen Drew takes over for Craig Counsell
Chris Snyder and Miguel Montero take over for Johnny Estrada
Scott Hairston replaces Jeff DaVanon (DL)
Alberto Callaspo replaces Damion Easley
Mark Reynolds replaces Andy Green aned some of Craig Counsell
Randy Johnson replaces Miguel Batista
Doug Davis replaces Claudio Vargas
Livan Hernandez replaces Orlando Herandez and Juan Cruz's starts
Micah Owings takes over Enrique Gonzalez's starts
Jose Valverde takes over Jorge Julio's save opportunities
Doug Slaten replaces Luis Vizcaino
Tony Peña takes Jason Grimsley's innings
Jailen Peguero replaces Greg Aquino

25-man Roster:

1B – Conor Jackson (R)
2B – Orlando Hudson (S)
SS – Stephen Drew (L)
3B – Chad Tracy (L)
C – Chris Snyder (R)
RF – Carlos Quentin (R)
CF – Chris Young (R)
LF – Eric Byrnes (R)

Bench:

S - Tony Clark (1B)
R - Mark Reynolds (3B)
S - Alberto Callaspo (IF)
R - Scott Hairston (OF)
L - Miguel Montero (C)

Rotation:

R - Brandon Webb
R - Livan Hernandez
L - Doug Davis
R - Micah Owings
L - Randy Johnson

Bullpen:

R - Jose Valverde
R - Brandon Llyon
R - Tony Peña
L - Doug Slaten
R - Juan Cruz
R - Edgar Gonzalez
R - Jailen Peguero

15-day DL: L - Jason Smith (IF)
60-day DL: S - Jeff DaVanon (OF)

Typical Lineup:

R - Eric Byrnes (LF)
R - Chris Young (CF)
S - Orlando Hudson (2B)
L - Chad Tracy (3B)
R - Conor Jackson (1B)
L - Stephen Drew (SS)
R - Carlos Quentin (RF)
R - Chris Snyder (C)

Comments (407)
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2007-06-12 14:47:39
1.   yankz
Great writeup.

I'm just disappointed the nickname "DBags" never caught on. Same with "BJays."

2007-06-12 15:23:45
2.   Chyll Will
1 Not wholesome enough for family conversation. However, if the games were on Cinemax...
2007-06-12 15:29:57
3.   Gagne55
Sweep 'em!!!
2007-06-12 15:30:28
4.   yankz
2 If Wang isn't throwing bowling balls tonight, you'll hear far worse soon enough...
2007-06-12 15:42:11
5.   Chyll Will
4 It can't be worse than having to listen to Sterling and Soozie or watching on E@$%...

Oh yeah, it's on My9 tonight, my bad.

2007-06-12 15:42:42
6.   underdog
Go Yankees!! is all I can say. Hope there's a lot of "Hah!"-ing here this week. ;-)

The D-Backs are a tricky team. They have vulnerabilities but now that they're young 'uns are starting to gel they're tough - they're no Pirates, is all I can say. I don't see them has having much depth, and their bullpen can be "got" but they're tough. Good luck!

2007-06-12 15:43:49
7.   underdog
now that their young 'uns, that should read. You'd never know I edit for a living.
2007-06-12 15:45:25
8.   Chyll Will
4 (sigh) Soon enough? I'll be hearing worse regardless.
2007-06-12 15:47:49
9.   Chyll Will
7 Are you on vacation? >;)
2007-06-12 16:01:18
10.   mehmattski
"Catchers Chris Snyder and Miguel Montero aren't hitting enough to make Yankee fans regret the fact that neither was included in the Randy Johnson Deal."

Jim Dean is like an elephant. And an elephant never forgets. Or gives up regret. Something like that.

2007-06-12 16:11:45
11.   ny2ca2dc
anyone watching on yes/my9 got a report on the delay? MLB.tv blacks pre-game & rainout chatter...
2007-06-12 16:20:23
12.   RIYank
7 9 I think it's cool that the Angelino vacations here in the Bronx.
2007-06-12 16:20:55
13.   OldYanksFan
Can you spare a poor out-of-stater a Bronx weather report? Are we gonna play tonight?
2007-06-12 16:24:52
14.   underdog
Mentally, I'm spot-vacationing in the Bronx. Physically, I'm in San Francisco. Spiritually, or my heart, tonight, is at Dodger Stadium, hoping the Mets get smacked. But, yeah, mentally, I'm clearly not at work, at any rate. ;-)
2007-06-12 16:26:04
15.   iicollies
News about the Bronx weather

http://host202.ipowerweb.com/~eve6medi/StadiumInsider/NYYStadiumInsider.html

2007-06-12 16:26:20
16.   RIYank
Jeez, Underdog, you're all over the place. Does this have anything to do with your forthcoming movie?
2007-06-12 16:28:32
17.   Marcus
Looking at the weather.com "map in motion" it looks like the rain will pass pretty soon.
2007-06-12 16:32:58
18.   OldYanksFan
15 Thanks. It doesn't appear to be raining in the Bronx?

This may be dumb, but I hate sports Blogs that post like once-a-week or less. Not much help.

2007-06-12 16:41:42
19.   monkeypants
Hmmm. Rain delay means that the local sports channel has switched over to the Sox-Rockies game. Now, the Sox announcers are, in my opinion, pretty good when it comes to calling a game, and they seem fairly knowlegable even if things are views through slightly red-tinted glasses. Still, if I have to hear the term "Red Sox Nation" one more time, I may have to stick sharp pencils in my ears.
2007-06-12 16:45:31
20.   cult of basebaal
14 speaking of which, sorta ... are there any LA or Bay area Banterers around here?
2007-06-12 16:45:36
21.   iicollies
may be 7:55 start
2007-06-12 16:46:30
22.   ny2ca2dc
20 Former Bay Area, right here!
2007-06-12 16:46:45
23.   RIYank
19 How does Wakefield look?
2007-06-12 16:47:58
24.   monkeypants
23 Pretty good, I guess (not paying much attention)--scoreless in the third.
2007-06-12 16:48:31
25.   rilkefan
20 Stanford here.
2007-06-12 16:50:18
26.   mishka
20 Palo Alto Yankee here
2007-06-12 16:50:46
27.   RIYank
24 Oops, I was thinking they were in Colorado (where the knuckler could be like BP).
2007-06-12 16:51:24
28.   iicollies
Odd man out, Cedar Rapids IA
2007-06-12 16:52:30
29.   Marcus
20 Live in Berkeley, work in SF
2007-06-12 16:52:34
30.   cult of basebaal
just curious, since i'm thinking of using the games next weekend as an excuse to go up and see friends as well as catching the yanks (most likely the 23rd)... i've only been to Random Phone Company Park once (2003 Divisional Playoffs vs the Marlins) so i don't know it all that well, and was wondering if anyone had any tips on prime under-the-radar seating spots
2007-06-12 16:54:34
31.   Mattpat11
I'm ready for some quality Yankee baseball.
2007-06-12 16:56:58
32.   ny2ca2dc
God, the cairo worship continues. Shut up Flaherty & Kay. You'd think these guys, after just talking about how unreal Abreu's been, they'd realize what's going on.... and maybe notice Cano heating up....
2007-06-12 16:57:17
33.   Mattpat11
In a sad note, I have been alerted that neither Roger nor Randy will be pitching in the game I'm going to. Thats what i get for listening to Sterling.

Cripes. Kay is rambling about chemistry. Maybe pixies will come out next.

2007-06-12 16:58:24
34.   Kered Retej
20 25 Santa Clara/San Jose here, and a Stanford alum. For anyone visiting the area, I always recommend a stop at the world's most beautiful ball park (IMHO), Sunken Diamond at Stanford.

Anyone going to the the Giants-Yanks series next week? The one upside to the previous poor play of the Yankees (and Bonds's power outage) was that ticket prices seemed like they were coming down, and that I might be able to afford to see a game. Now that the Yankees are red hot, I expect tickets to go up, but I'd gladly take that trade-off.

2007-06-12 16:58:53
35.   ny2ca2dc
33 and they just put up the team BA, which is like .333, which they still fail to realize is despite Cairo, not because of him... OK, going to let this dead horse lie now.
2007-06-12 17:00:57
36.   Mattpat11
35 I'm not even annoyed with the Cairo love. i think he's a fine utility player. I just get annoyed when people bring up the fictional team chemistry
2007-06-12 17:02:27
37.   Kered Retej
30 When I inquired a week or two ago, the 30-seat Diamond Suite was available at $25,000 for the Sunday game (includes food). These are some of the best seats in the house, if you can afford them, as they are on a lower level than the rest of the suites. I was lucky enough to catch a game there (on someone else's nickel).
2007-06-12 17:05:13
38.   monkeypants
35, 36 Oh I am annoyed by the completely irrational Cairo love--like pointing out that he's a whole 7-24 since becoming the starting firstbaseman, like that's a good thing--but I have conceded that this will be the case until the return of the somwhat less stinky than Miggy Minky.
2007-06-12 17:06:10
39.   ny2ca2dc
37 Mother of god. did you add an extra zero, or am i totally out of touch with what these crazy suites cost?
2007-06-12 17:06:40
40.   cult of basebaal
38 at this point, i'd much rather see any of the Duncans given a chance ... and that includes Tim
2007-06-12 17:08:30
41.   RIYank
40 I think Tim may be busy. But what a stretch!
2007-06-12 17:11:00
42.   RIYank
Uh oh. The Worm Liberation Army has kidnapped Wanger and replaced him with this unconvincing duplicate.
2007-06-12 17:11:02
43.   monkeypants
40 Or Mariano!
2007-06-12 17:13:57
44.   Kered Retej
39 Well, that includes the "Yankees" markup (note - the Giants not only marked up tickets for certain "premium" games, including the Yanks and LA, but forced you to buy 5 tickets to crappy games to get single game tickets to see the Yankees), and they really are among the best seats in the house, a tight little suite that is right in the middle of the rest of the lower section.

For a regular midweek NL game it is $8,000 (plus food).

2007-06-12 17:15:07
45.   bobtaco
29 Ditto! North or South Berkeley?
2007-06-12 17:16:36
46.   Marcus
45 South Berkeley, just up the street from Berkeley Bowl. You?
2007-06-12 17:17:43
47.   Mattpat11
I've never been able to put my finger on it, but there's something about the way Byrnes wears his uniform that makes him look really doofy. It may just be way too big
2007-06-12 17:17:46
48.   bobtaco
46 Pretty close, Ashby near Telegraph...
2007-06-12 17:20:16
49.   RIYank
He's back, whew.
2007-06-12 17:20:35
50.   Mattpat11
38 The return of Mientkiewicz makes me far more irrationally angry than a Cairo stint at first. I'm not sure why. Its possible that, deep down, I think everyone knows that Cairo is really a utility player that fills in during emergencies. But people really seem to think Mientkiewicz is a legitimate starting first baseman for a team that hopes to contend.
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2007-06-12 17:21:19
51.   Marcus
48 Small world! We probably ride the same BART train into work and don't even know it.
2007-06-12 17:22:08
52.   Mattpat11
40 I'm really weary of a Shelley Duncan promotion.
2007-06-12 17:24:27
53.   bobtaco
51 Or casual commute in the mornings ;-)
2007-06-12 17:27:36
54.   Mattpat11
This game is fun
2007-06-12 17:28:03
55.   bobtaco
HA! Bobby! That was swing was Plus 20db Hot.. True Quam.
2007-06-12 17:29:13
56.   iicollies
Bobby, how cam A-Rod get a good look at the pitches if you insist on homering on the second pitch?
2007-06-12 17:30:06
57.   monkeypants
52 I would be too, if the starting first baseman was not a career back-up middle infielder who can't hit. Starting first baseman.

Wow, moonshot by Abreu!

2007-06-12 17:32:57
58.   OldYanksFan
Ya think the DBacks are wondering how they got 6 games in a row against the Sox and the Yanks? And not even both on the road.
2007-06-12 17:33:24
59.   RIYank
Cy Young for the NL: not impressive.
2007-06-12 17:38:13
60.   monkeypants
Wang looks up in the zone tonight--a few more fly balls and liners.
2007-06-12 17:40:52
61.   RIYank
Sometimes the sinker sinks more as the evening progresses.
2007-06-12 17:41:31
62.   seamus
61 was just gonna say that. as he tires it tends tosink more.
2007-06-12 17:41:59
63.   bobtaco
60 He looks like he is feeling more comfortable now
2007-06-12 17:42:10
64.   seamus
did webb look like he was up in the zone too?
2007-06-12 17:42:29
65.   Mattpat11
57 As opposed to a man who has spent his entire seven year career in the minor leagues? And not hitting there? That's not much of an upgrade.
2007-06-12 17:43:15
66.   Mattpat11
59 Must you taunt? He will now get the next 11 men out.
2007-06-12 17:44:02
67.   OldYanksFan
Colorado gets out of a 1st and 2nd, no one inning. Sox up 1-0 after 6. Wake with a 2 hitter.
2007-06-12 17:44:04
68.   RIYank
We all know the Wanger!

On Gameday the pitches are not up in the zone, except for that pop-out to Jorgie which was waist hight. So I think they just aren't sinking.

2007-06-12 17:44:20
69.   Mattpat11
Bush threw a curveball strike. Years later, John Kerry throws a wild pitch in Fenway. And so an election was decided.
2007-06-12 17:45:21
70.   RIYank
67 I've been keeping an eye on that one -- the Rockies have avoided disaster by two GIDP, one by Mirabelli (my favorite part of a Wakefield start) and the other by Steve Drew's brother.
2007-06-12 17:46:50
71.   Mattpat11
70 The Drews numbers are almost identical. Gotta love brothers.
2007-06-12 17:46:54
72.   bobtaco
69 Bush has a thing for Curveballs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant)

2007-06-12 17:47:13
73.   Mattpat11
Flash wearing the world's ugliest tie.
2007-06-12 17:47:51
74.   RIYank
Ha!
2007-06-12 17:48:35
75.   monkeypants
65 I'd take my chances.

Oops, a seeing eye single by Cairo--I retract all of my previous comments.

2007-06-12 17:49:42
76.   Schteeve
73 Jeter disagrees apparently.
2007-06-12 17:50:12
77.   Mattpat11
65 I've had my fill of experimenting with late 20s career minor leaguers. I'd much rather try Eric Duncan, like you said.
2007-06-12 17:50:25
78.   RIYank
Rox are totally baffled by Wakefield. Could we fax them some tips or something? Actually he must be about at his pitch limit.
2007-06-12 17:50:42
79.   Schteeve
I can't bloody believe that the dudes at MLBTV haven't started selling ads into the break between innings.
2007-06-12 17:51:07
80.   OldYanksFan
We need to petition for a special UIF spot in the HOF. Somewhere in the gritty, gutsy wing.
2007-06-12 17:51:36
81.   seamus
78 does wake actually have a pitch count?
2007-06-12 17:51:42
82.   Schteeve
80 You mean the Eckstein/Erstad wing.
2007-06-12 17:51:56
83.   RIYank
Now Wang looks like the wormburner we love.
2007-06-12 17:52:48
84.   RIYank
HA!
2007-06-12 17:53:07
85.   bobtaco
Keep talkin haters
2007-06-12 17:53:13
86.   Schteeve
HA!
2007-06-12 17:53:17
87.   randym77
Cairo earning his keep tonight.
2007-06-12 17:53:25
88.   monkeypants
80 Can you imagine if the veterans committee got ahold of that wing??

Cairo with a diving stop, saving at least 14 runs!!!

2007-06-12 17:53:28
89.   ny2ca2dc
nice frigin snag
2007-06-12 17:54:01
90.   OldYanksFan
HOF! HOF! HOF!
2007-06-12 17:54:25
91.   Schteeve
That was a nice half inning.
2007-06-12 17:55:02
92.   randym77
78 What is his pitch count? 400-500?
2007-06-12 17:55:23
93.   iicollies
Six pitch inning. I like that efficiency
2007-06-12 17:55:32
94.   seamus
i missed the top of the 1st. Did Wang throw a lot of pitches there?
2007-06-12 17:55:39
95.   Schteeve
Here's a "Getting way ahead of ourselves" question:

Of the current Yankee starters rank them in the order in which you'd like them to start a playoff game.

2007-06-12 17:55:54
96.   Mattpat11
88 And I'll still take it over Mientkiewicz. If The Stink made that play, he'd play every day though a 3-67. I have to assume Cairo will sit when he goes 0-16 or so.
2007-06-12 17:56:01
97.   seamus
94 because he is at 43, and as 93 notes that was a 6 pitch inning.
2007-06-12 17:56:13
98.   RIYank
81 He does, yeah. It's surprising how they limit him. Knuckleballers often can throw all night, right? But Wakey hits the wall at 90 or so.
Well, he's starting the eighth, at 86...
2007-06-12 17:56:31
99.   Mattpat11
95 Wang and take your pick.
2007-06-12 17:56:49
100.   OldYanksFan
Leadoff double for some kid wearing a Colorado uniform.
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2007-06-12 17:57:15
101.   Mattpat11
100 I've been following that guy
2007-06-12 17:57:35
102.   seamus
98 that is what I thought too. Maybe he becomes too predictable, hangs his change or something.
2007-06-12 17:57:39
103.   monkeypants
95 I would start Cairo in game one, Wang in Game two, CAiro in game three (if there was an off day), Pettitte in four, Clemens in five (for six innings, with Cairo in relief), throw away game six, and then start Cairo in game seven.
2007-06-12 17:58:21
104.   Schteeve
99

Here's my list:

1) Wang or Pettitte
2) Pettitte or Wang
3) Roger
4) Clippard
5) Mussina

2007-06-12 17:58:54
105.   seamus
i love bobby now. :)
2007-06-12 17:59:41
106.   Mattpat11
104 I always found Pettitte to be a supremely overrated big game pitcher. I remember some high profile bombs by Pettitte that either cost us dearly or could have.
2007-06-12 18:00:20
107.   seamus
ugh. 1 out. man on 3rd and the rockies can't get hime home.
2007-06-12 18:00:24
108.   RIYank
97 Seamus, he gave up two singles in the first but pitched out of the jam with a pop-out. That must have been a bunch of pitches. Then another single in the second, but after that he found his groove.
2007-06-12 18:00:53
109.   bobtaco
104 I think Joe always likes Andy as the Game 2 pitcher.
2007-06-12 18:01:04
110.   Schteeve
106 Yeah, he's had some beauties too, though. But he definitely has gotten lit up at times.
2007-06-12 18:01:23
111.   seamus
108 thanks. i was at softball practice. now i'm sore and wodering about his pitch count. thanks.
2007-06-12 18:01:44
112.   RIYank
107 Not so fast!!!
2007-06-12 18:02:13
113.   seamus
112 yay! i was dejected.
2007-06-12 18:02:13
114.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Sorry to interrupt the game thread, but I just wanted to disagree w/ Cliff's comment that Hudson is the 2nd best 2nd baseman in baseball.

Ignoring Cano for the moment -- who I'm convinced will still end up w/ a higher ops than Hudson by the end of the season, despite playing in the vastly superior league -- both Uggla at Fla and Atlanta's Kelly Johnson are putting up superior ops, and both are significantly younger than the 30 yr old Hudson.

Not only that, but both these two, like Cano, are having far superior seasons in the field to Hudson, who's turned into something of a butcher in the NL (hmmm, exposed by being moved off the turf?) with a 90 RATE acc to BP.

I know what Cliff was thinking -- this guy was a great fielder in the AL, and now he's finally hitting, but . . .

2007-06-12 18:02:16
115.   Marcus
97 108 If I remember correctly, he threw 22 pitches in the 1st.
2007-06-12 18:02:39
116.   Mattpat11
110 I remember Smoltz called him the best playoff starter he'd ever seen a few years ago. And I was sitting here thinking "Dude, look in a mirror"
2007-06-12 18:04:11
117.   seamus
115 more than half his pitches through 3. webb at 50 pitches.
2007-06-12 18:04:31
118.   OldYanksFan
Rox tie the Sox.
2007-06-12 18:05:05
119.   seamus
gotta give cairo credit. he looks pretty good over there.
2007-06-12 18:05:50
120.   RIYank
Yow.
No problem, Wanger, you'll be fine...
2007-06-12 18:06:03
121.   Mattpat11
ech
2007-06-12 18:06:18
122.   bobtaco
Chad Tracy would have been a good player to have gotten in the RJ trade.
2007-06-12 18:06:26
123.   seamus
crap.
2007-06-12 18:06:41
124.   randym77
Well, that one was waaay over Cairo's head. :-P
2007-06-12 18:07:00
125.   monkeypants
123 Do you mean 'carp'?
2007-06-12 18:07:11
126.   seamus
124 he should have had it. scrub.
2007-06-12 18:07:37
127.   seamus
125 sounds fishy.
2007-06-12 18:08:44
128.   Hocakes
Colorado must have an awful bullpen. Cook has been out there for a while. 118 pitches. I guess they want to hand the ball to Fuentes.
2007-06-12 18:09:06
129.   RIYank
Whew, he did settle down.

I checked, it was indeed 22 pitches in the first inning for C-M W.

2007-06-12 18:09:33
130.   cult of basebaal
verlander with a no-hitter through 8 vs the brewers
2007-06-12 18:09:49
131.   Mattpat11
122 Hey now. We got whatever the hell they were willing to offer. No need to look back on that deal.
2007-06-12 18:10:28
132.   RIYank
128 Well, he's holding the Sox to one run, I guess I'd leave him in too.
Boston is in a serious scoring drought. Too bad they're either pitching brilliantly or facing bad line-ups (can't tell which).
2007-06-12 18:10:44
133.   monkeypants
122 Well, he can play first base, but apparently that position is clogged. Maybe he would start at third and A-Rod move to DH?
2007-06-12 18:10:58
134.   seamus
130 mlb.com is making it known. damn i'm sore.
2007-06-12 18:11:24
135.   Mattpat11
Is ESPN showing the no hitter?
2007-06-12 18:11:50
136.   RIYank
Cook is out now, with one out in the eighth.
2007-06-12 18:12:27
137.   monkeypants
132 The gyroball has a ripple effect that improves the whole staff.
2007-06-12 18:12:34
138.   Mattpat11
122 Clogged by what?

And we got NotRandy in that trade. I can't frown on it.

Gonna watch Verlander.

2007-06-12 18:12:49
139.   cult of basebaal
135 yes
2007-06-12 18:13:24
140.   Schteeve
Nice hustle by 'ziller.
2007-06-12 18:13:36
141.   Mattpat11
one away in Detroit
2007-06-12 18:13:55
142.   Mattpat11
Tony Graffanino up.
2007-06-12 18:13:58
143.   seamus
not looking good in fenway.
2007-06-12 18:14:53
144.   seamus
wow. that had to be embarassing.
2007-06-12 18:14:58
145.   monkeypants
138 Do you need to ask? Number for-ty-one, my friend.
2007-06-12 18:15:03
146.   Mattpat11
Got him!

One more out to go.

Fuck the wild card tonight. I want to see this.

2007-06-12 18:15:06
147.   ny2ca2dc
mother of god verlander is filthy!
2007-06-12 18:15:06
148.   RIYank
We are really lucky today, I must say. (And I have to withdraw 59.)
Dang, ran out of luck. Melkman can't deliver.
2007-06-12 18:15:15
149.   OldYanksFan
JD up with bases loaded, 2 out...
2007-06-12 18:15:38
150.   Mattpat11
145 And Stink a Palooza.
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2007-06-12 18:15:41
151.   OldYanksFan
shit... 1 out
2007-06-12 18:15:58
152.   ny2ca2dc
holy shit, 102 from verlander on the FSN gun.
2007-06-12 18:16:24
153.   cult of basebaal
no-hitter
2007-06-12 18:16:25
154.   Mattpat11
GOT HIM!
2007-06-12 18:16:25
155.   bobtaco
He did it.
2007-06-12 18:16:30
156.   randym77
He did it. Wow.
2007-06-12 18:16:41
157.   seamus
ugh. why won't he thrikes to drew> He sucks.
2007-06-12 18:17:11
158.   OldYanksFan
Sac fly. Sox up 2-1, still up, bottom 8th.
2007-06-12 18:17:34
159.   cult of basebaal
152 that's what espn was showing too ... figure it's a 3-4 miles fast ... that's still 97-98 to the last batter of the game ... and his slider was just plain FILTHY
2007-06-12 18:18:34
160.   Mattpat11
Verlander has a hot wife.
2007-06-12 18:19:50
161.   Schteeve
160 Don't most professional athletes?
2007-06-12 18:19:51
162.   cult of basebaal
man, it's moments like that when i realize how much i love baseball ...
2007-06-12 18:20:12
163.   ny2ca2dc
160 noticed that too. good eye.
2007-06-12 18:20:12
164.   Mattpat11
And back to poker.
2007-06-12 18:20:56
165.   Mattpat11
163 I sort of said that before I saw her face. She has an awesome ass. The face confirmed that.
2007-06-12 18:20:58
166.   ny2ca2dc
is this the second time this year the white sox have been no hit? err, oh, no, it was Buherle that tossed the nono, right?
2007-06-12 18:21:03
167.   cult of basebaal
160 she's got a nice squeal, too
2007-06-12 18:21:53
168.   Mattpat11
160 I've always felt bad about this, but I think Mo can do a hell of a lot better.
2007-06-12 18:22:09
169.   seamus
nice inning by wanger.
2007-06-12 18:22:19
170.   RIYank
Nice, that's what Jeter really does well.
Wang could go eight. And we might need it, the way Webb is throwing.
2007-06-12 18:22:35
171.   ny2ca2dc
168 JoPo's wife makes up for a host of sins
2007-06-12 18:23:09
172.   RIYank
168 I think the players who are really nice guys sacrifice a certain amount of hotness for other qualities. Doesn't it seem that way?
2007-06-12 18:23:55
173.   seamus
170 it seems we are the only two not looking at verlander's wife's ass.
2007-06-12 18:24:17
174.   RIYank
Limited damage in Fenway, but I guess Papelbon will dazzle the Rox in the ninth for the save...
2007-06-12 18:24:43
175.   monkeypants
Great at bat! I'm a believer now!
2007-06-12 18:24:51
176.   Mattpat11
171 Posada's wife is great. Wetteland's wife was pretty hot as well, IIRC. I once sat in the same row as her for a playoff game.
2007-06-12 18:25:26
177.   Mattpat11
173 You really should.
2007-06-12 18:25:42
178.   RIYank
Yeah, I do apologize for bringing up the baseball game taking place in the Bronx.
2007-06-12 18:26:09
179.   seamus
177 i believe you.
2007-06-12 18:26:51
180.   seamus
kaz matsui is hitting.314. Did he find his swing?
2007-06-12 18:26:53
181.   RIYank
Abreu's bomb is our only real hit in the game, right? There was the hit-and-run single, and Cairo's seeing-eye grounder, and something else.
2007-06-12 18:27:17
182.   bobtaco
176 Damon's is not bad either...
2007-06-12 18:27:53
183.   seamus
181 yeah. I didn't post this but when he hit it I said "Thank god"outloud because I was worried about an extended shutout by webb.
2007-06-12 18:28:15
184.   cult of basebaal
man, that first pitch to jj hardy was just the stuff of legend ... 102 with movement that ran it back over the outside corner ... that's just plain unfair
2007-06-12 18:28:28
185.   Mattpat11
176 The stripper is. I don't know if I ever saw the first wife.

A-Rod's is well, which sort of begs the question why he was dating Chyna.

2007-06-12 18:29:10
186.   seamus
papelbon must look extra tough after wakefield.
2007-06-12 18:30:12
187.   RIYank
Up to Helton in Boston...
2007-06-12 18:30:15
188.   seamus
rockies almost done. bummer.
2007-06-12 18:30:17
189.   Mattpat11
185 That should be 182
2007-06-12 18:30:43
190.   cult of basebaal
this just in, brandon webb is good ... weak sister league or not ... 'course i get to watch him pitch against the dodgers a bunch, so i already knewed that, but he's real fun when he's on
2007-06-12 18:31:05
191.   ny2ca2dc
183 You're right, it did feel like one of those Bomb in the first, sleep rest of game, from the start... Lets hope Wang & our BP holds up & their BP stinx
2007-06-12 18:32:13
192.   RIYank
191 Better yet, let's hope we don't need our bullpen.
2007-06-12 18:32:48
193.   RIYank
Boston wins as Helton Ks on full count.

Oh, Steve Drew hates Cairo.

2007-06-12 18:32:52
194.   Mattpat11
MIGGYMANIA
2007-06-12 18:33:35
195.   ny2ca2dc
192 there's the pitch count for Wang: 24balls 48strikes 72total; probably will need the BP... Some deep counts today.
2007-06-12 18:35:22
196.   Yankees Brasil
Weird to see a 7-7 ground outs - fly outs
2007-06-12 18:35:49
197.   Yankees Brasil
196 Weird to see it from Wang I mean
2007-06-12 18:36:22
198.   RIYank
195 Maybe just Mo (he said hopefully).
2007-06-12 18:37:04
199.   Mattpat11
This game is sort of boring.
2007-06-12 18:37:38
200.   monkeypants
199 I never get bored watching #41.
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2007-06-12 18:38:16
201.   seamus
i don't understand the miggy obsession with turning everything miggy into a sarcastic cheer.
2007-06-12 18:40:30
202.   Mattpat11
201 Hey, I like the guy on the bench. But I'd rather he not become the regular starting first baseman.
2007-06-12 18:40:48
203.   RIYank
199 Boring's good when you're winning.
2007-06-12 18:42:04
204.   bobtaco
203 Word
2007-06-12 18:42:21
205.   mehmattski
199 Just caught up to present tense via DVR... and I have to agree. And with 203 when the Yankees score three in the first and slowly pull away...
2007-06-12 18:42:27
206.   RIYank
First walk of the game! Of course, Bobby draws it.
2007-06-12 18:42:52
207.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice running, Bobby!
2007-06-12 18:43:00
208.   ny2ca2dc
atta boy Bobby. time to do some damage while he's tired, and/or on the middle relief.
2007-06-12 18:43:18
209.   RIYank
205 Okay, that would be more fun, yes. But you can't do that every time...
2007-06-12 18:43:21
210.   monkeypants
Nice baserunning by Abreu--running away from the 2B prevented the DP. And that's not sarcasm.
2007-06-12 18:43:57
211.   seamus
202 i understand that. i've understood that for some time. :)
2007-06-12 18:44:43
212.   monkeypants
Hmmm...what happened there?!?
2007-06-12 18:44:51
213.   weeping for brunnhilde
Um, Alex, what was that?

Yeah, I guess it was a hit and run, Alex wasn't running very hard.

2007-06-12 18:45:48
214.   Mattpat11
Alex was power walking there. It had to be a hit and run.
2007-06-12 18:46:09
215.   cult of basebaal
well, that inning went nowhere ...
2007-06-12 18:46:39
216.   seamus
wasted abreu's walk and good base running. argh!
2007-06-12 18:49:00
217.   weeping for brunnhilde
Aw, fuck. Right up the middle.

Not hit very hard, but solidly.

2007-06-12 18:49:39
218.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice, Melk!

I was scared there, off the bat.

Melk made it look easy.

2007-06-12 18:50:03
219.   OldYanksFan
Man... how old is Tony Clark?
2007-06-12 18:50:34
220.   weeping for brunnhilde
Ok, two hard hit flyballs.

This is it for Chien-Ming, right?

2007-06-12 18:51:25
221.   monkeypants
Lotta fly balls for Wang, but aside from the HR, he's managed to control the damage. Maybe only seven innings tonight (though I would love to see Torre go batter-to-batter in the eighth).
2007-06-12 18:51:37
222.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh!

That's not good.

2007-06-12 18:51:51
223.   seamus
220 not necessarily. but possibly. I have faith that wang can right the ship.
2007-06-12 18:52:17
224.   cult of basebaal
Eeek. Bugger!
2007-06-12 18:52:34
225.   RIYank
Dang, stinky Chris Snyder. Ugh.
2007-06-12 18:52:36
226.   weeping for brunnhilde
221 Batter-to-batter.

I don't know about that.

That's kind of playing with fire, I think, we've only got 2 runs to work with.

2007-06-12 18:53:07
227.   monkeypants
219 Surprisingly, only 35.
2007-06-12 18:53:36
228.   RIYank
Captain Clutch!!!
2007-06-12 18:53:41
229.   bobtaco
Jeter!
2007-06-12 18:53:45
230.   seamus
i have to agree that wang looks fatigued.
2007-06-12 18:53:54
231.   ny2ca2dc
226 the alternative could be Farnsworth...
2007-06-12 18:54:06
232.   weeping for brunnhilde
Holy fuck!

Wow!!!!!

DE-REK!!

(Hopefully that'll do it for Chien-Ming. Nice outing, Wanger!)

2007-06-12 18:54:08
233.   monkeypants
226 After that liner, you're right--no argument from me (and that's saying something!).
2007-06-12 18:54:42
234.   RIYank
Weeping, Wang in this condition is almost certainly better than any non-Panamanian in our bullpen. Seriously.

Hey, our defense has been just flawless today! That's a pleasant surprise.

2007-06-12 18:55:05
235.   monkeypants
231 Another (probably) sad reality...
2007-06-12 18:55:44
236.   RIYank
I disagree. Wang often throws 110 pitches. Mild fatigue is good for his pitches. I definitely want him to start the eighth.
2007-06-12 18:56:08
237.   BklynBmr
Just rolled in. What is Wang's pitch count?
2007-06-12 18:56:28
238.   bobtaco
234 I think Torre spins the Wheel and gets Proctor for the 8th and Mo for the 9th...
2007-06-12 18:56:59
239.   RIYank
237 He's thrown 95.
2007-06-12 18:57:03
240.   weeping for brunnhilde
234 I know, that's the thing.

You are right about that, but if that's the case, then there's no reason to even have these guys on the roster.

God, doesn't this suck?

Or no, I think we should bring in Mo for two in that case.

If we're to make a serious run, we'll have to lean on him more.

That's our best option.

2007-06-12 18:57:05
241.   ny2ca2dc
236 Word, Tired Wang > any Farnsworth when he's throwing low 90's, like this year
2007-06-12 18:57:35
242.   seamus
236 I wonder though because he seems to be having control problems. I would normally agree with you.
2007-06-12 18:58:24
243.   weeping for brunnhilde
This Spud Webb guy's pretty good, btw.
2007-06-12 18:58:29
244.   BklynBmr
239 Thanks.

Why not one more on a short leash?

2007-06-12 18:59:26
245.   RIYank
242 Is he? No walks. That HBP, but what other control problems?

I'd like to see Wang start. If he gets an out, then Mo can always get a 5-out save...

2007-06-12 18:59:47
246.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oooh, nice job, Hideki.

He almost bit there.

2007-06-12 18:59:59
247.   OldYanksFan
238 That's the ticket
2007-06-12 19:00:29
248.   seamus
245 his balls just seem up like he can;t keep it down and over the plate. Though that is a good point. His strike ratio is good.
2007-06-12 19:00:36
249.   RIYank
Patience, Rob, patience...
2007-06-12 19:00:36
250.   BklynBmr
239 Thanks, RI.

Why not one more on a short leash?

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2007-06-12 19:00:44
251.   ny2ca2dc
OK, another lead off walk, lets git er done this time. small ball guys coming up, if robby can advance him, should be able to tack on a run here....
2007-06-12 19:01:03
252.   weeping for brunnhilde
This Webb guy makes our guys do what Wanger makes them do.

Very nice sinker or whatever that is that the lefties bang into the ground.

2007-06-12 19:01:59
253.   RIYank
HA HA HA HA!
2007-06-12 19:02:08
254.   bobtaco
There ya go!
2007-06-12 19:02:25
255.   weeping for brunnhilde
Robbie.

Wow.

He's so good.

Nice quick hands.

2007-06-12 19:02:43
256.   seamus
huge robbie hit. huge.
2007-06-12 19:03:02
257.   weeping for brunnhilde
Good cut, Melky!

Come on, you can do it!

2007-06-12 19:03:07
258.   RIYank
252 Exactly, they're very similar pitchers. Webb has a mean curve; Wang's sinker is a harder, faster pitch. Otherwise very similar.

Man, Cano pulled it, too!

2007-06-12 19:03:12
259.   cult of basebaal
CANO-BIWAN!
2007-06-12 19:03:56
260.   weeping for brunnhilde
Fuck.

Robbie.

Not good.

Nice job, Melky.

And very nice play by that Hudson.

2007-06-12 19:04:00
261.   bobtaco
How did he make that play on his stomach, man.
2007-06-12 19:04:04
262.   Mattpat11
Ech. Well, its a run.
2007-06-12 19:04:16
263.   ny2ca2dc
well... at least the runner got it..... christ. at least the BP should be able to hold this
2007-06-12 19:04:37
264.   RIYank
Nice job by Melk, nice job by Hudson. Why didn't Matsui go home? Weird. I can't complain about what Cano did there, giving up the out but getting that run, which is a big run.
2007-06-12 19:05:20
265.   monkeypants
...
2007-06-12 19:05:34
266.   cult of basebaal
eh, wtf just happened there?
2007-06-12 19:05:47
267.   weeping for brunnhilde
That's a very big insurance run and I'm glad we nabbed it.

A big inning would have been nice, but again, the bird in the hand.

We've been doing that much, much more lately it seems to me.

Now we can go back to Wanger on a batter-by-batter basis.

Huge run.

2007-06-12 19:05:48
268.   RIYank
Cano thought Hideki was heading home, that was the problem -- why didn't he? Would have had Robbie on third instead of out.
Well, the run is goooooood.
2007-06-12 19:06:41
269.   ny2ca2dc
267 Totally. With this BP, and the way it's used, a 3 run lead vs. a 2 run lead is a Big Ass Deal.
2007-06-12 19:07:00
270.   weeping for brunnhilde
268 Yeah, Flaherty speculated about missed signs.
2007-06-12 19:07:33
271.   Mattpat11
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2007-06-12 19:07:46
272.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, look who's coming in?

It's our old buddy Kyle!

Come on, Kyle, you can do it, man, you can do it!

2007-06-12 19:07:54
273.   Javi Javi
gameday isn't working for me. Can anyone tell us blind readers what happened on that DP/run scoring play?
2007-06-12 19:08:07
274.   Mattpat11
Come on Kyle. Just make yourself tradeable.
2007-06-12 19:08:33
275.   bobtaco
271 Torre is standing in a pool of gasoline with a lit match, but I guess he is feeling good.
2007-06-12 19:08:35
276.   RIYank
I think even Big Inning lovers like me can agree that that run was huge. :-)
2007-06-12 19:08:47
277.   OldYanksFan
That was a tough play. Cano thouight it was thru, Mats not running until it went through. At least Mats has the smarts to score. Ugly, but no one at fault.

Farns????
What happened to EDSP?
Trouble....

2007-06-12 19:09:19
278.   ny2ca2dc
well, 96mph from kyle, low in zone....
2007-06-12 19:09:19
279.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hoooww many walks must a pitcher allow.

Before. He's for-ever banned.

Yes'n how maany runs must-a one team score.

Before the game's well in hand.

The answer...

2007-06-12 19:09:22
280.   Mattpat11
Worthless has given up 3 ER, 4 H, and 2 BB in his last 2 1/3 IP. What is this "better of late" nonsense?
2007-06-12 19:09:26
281.   RIYank
No it isn't. It's not Farnsworth. I'm sure it's not. That would be nuts.
2007-06-12 19:10:24
282.   Mattpat11
yep.
2007-06-12 19:10:45
283.   weeping for brunnhilde
277 Nice analysis, OYF. I agree. it was very in-between.
2007-06-12 19:11:00
284.   Mattpat11
Have I noted that I hated this signing from way back in 05 when it was just the Yankees intended move?
2007-06-12 19:11:12
285.   BklynBmr
276 Understatement of the year ;-)
2007-06-12 19:11:13
286.   tommyl
Well Kyle sucks, surprise surprise.
2007-06-12 19:11:16
287.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nooo!

What's he still doing in???

Get him out of there, get him out of there!

2007-06-12 19:11:54
288.   cult of basebaal
jesus fucking christ, joe ... just because it's the 8th inning, doesn't mean farnworth has to pitch ... fuck!
2007-06-12 19:12:10
289.   ny2ca2dc
paging MO...
2007-06-12 19:13:02
290.   nemecizer
Just back from work, just checking in, see Farnswacker is in, know that I am cursed when he is pitching so ... just checking out.

You can thank me later.

2007-06-12 19:13:04
291.   tommyl
Britton, we hardly knew ye
2007-06-12 19:13:16
292.   weeping for brunnhilde
Yes.

Nice job, Kyle, nice job!

Keep it up!

2007-06-12 19:13:40
293.   nemecizer
And of course the motherfucker gives up a double on 2 strikes when I write that.

That's it, I am gone.

GO YANKEES!

2007-06-12 19:13:41
294.   RIYank
I miss Wang.
2007-06-12 19:13:55
295.   ny2ca2dc
well, procter still warming in the pen, so maybe that's an implication of the pecking order
2007-06-12 19:13:57
296.   yankz
Good: Seeing the boys up late against a good team!

Bad: Seeing Farnsworth in there.

2007-06-12 19:14:36
297.   OldYanksFan
So Mattpat11... how do you feel about Farnsworth?

I think Torre and Guidry feel that 'Good' Kylr is needed for a successful PS. I guess they have faith that they can turn him around. It's sorta like brain surgery. Great when it works....

2007-06-12 19:14:37
298.   RIYank
Oh, nice work nemecizer. Jeez. Go hang out at Dodger Thoughts or something.
2007-06-12 19:15:15
299.   cult of basebaal
291 that's "The Make A Wish Kid", yo
2007-06-12 19:15:24
300.   Mattpat11
297 "I think Torre and Guidry feel that 'Good' Kylr is needed for a successful PS."

Then we're screwed.

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2007-06-12 19:15:40
301.   RIYank
Ahhhh. Four outs to go, it's Mo-If-Needed territory.
Oh, why not Mo now?? Or at least Myers.
2007-06-12 19:16:25
302.   weeping for brunnhilde
That was fucking scary.

I don't like the way that was played at all.

Shouldn't Abreu have called off Robby?

Or something.

That was dangerous.

I mean, he made the play (nice play, Robby), but still.

2007-06-12 19:16:28
303.   ny2ca2dc
man, and to think our worry with Robinson when he came up was his ability to stick as a decent 2B... musta learned to go back from Jeter!
2007-06-12 19:16:31
304.   OldYanksFan
At least Cleveland loses.
2007-06-12 19:18:50
305.   ny2ca2dc
well, maybe Farns' velocity is coming around. that 5 mph is the difference between last year's "OK Farnsworth @ 98mph" and this year's "Dog Shit Farnsworth @93mph"
2007-06-12 19:19:32
306.   Mattpat11
I must have missed okay Farnsworth.
2007-06-12 19:20:04
307.   BklynBmr
Anyone getting the Arizona announcers? Are you longing for 'The Hawk", too?
2007-06-12 19:20:06
308.   ny2ca2dc
306 When he struck out Ortiz.
2007-06-12 19:20:15
309.   RIYank
Tracy's a good hitter.
2007-06-12 19:20:27
310.   Mattpat11
308 I see.
2007-06-12 19:20:48
311.   weeping for brunnhilde
Well folks, it's interesting!
2007-06-12 19:20:57
312.   RIYank
I want Mo.
2007-06-12 19:21:00
313.   Mattpat11
Hopefully Tony ClarKKKKK shows up.
2007-06-12 19:21:30
314.   weeping for brunnhilde
309 Yes, that was a fine ab.
2007-06-12 19:21:36
315.   Mattpat11
Clark has a slider bat. Don't throw the GD slider.
2007-06-12 19:21:43
316.   RIYank
This is the critical situation in the game. Why not have the best pitcher in???
2007-06-12 19:22:31
317.   cult of basebaal
urge.to.kill.rising.
2007-06-12 19:22:41
318.   fansince77
duz anyone else see this coming?
2007-06-12 19:22:53
319.   Mattpat11
Kyle has no idea where the ball is going. If the batter happens to miss, good.
2007-06-12 19:22:56
320.   RIYank
Whew.
2007-06-12 19:23:01
321.   weeping for brunnhilde
exhale
2007-06-12 19:23:08
322.   Mattpat11
TRADE HIM NOW.
2007-06-12 19:23:08
323.   bobtaco
exhale... sigh.
2007-06-12 19:23:23
324.   WeMissPaulie
Farns has to learn how to get out of this....
2007-06-12 19:23:44
325.   cult of basebaal
phew
2007-06-12 19:24:03
326.   fansince77
Farnsworth absolutely sucks...I don't ever WANT him in the game...EVER.
2007-06-12 19:24:05
327.   cult of basebaal
urge.to.kill.fading ...
2007-06-12 19:24:26
328.   RIYank
Okay, that worked out very well. Still, I'm sure the 'right' move was to have Mo pitch with two on and two out. Unless this is some kind of psychological training for Farnsworth, it just doesn't make sense not to call in Mo there.
2007-06-12 19:24:46
329.   Mattpat11
324 Why?
2007-06-12 19:25:27
330.   fansince77
Sorry to beat it to death - but when T. Clark hits a laser on a 1-2 count- there is something that does not bestill confidence...
2007-06-12 19:26:54
331.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Joba k'd the side in his 1st ip for Trenton.
2007-06-12 19:27:42
332.   weeping for brunnhilde
328 Of course. I think Joe would probably say something about Farns' confidence. He probably figures that he's got to be able to rely on him so he's got to put us all through the agony of watching him dodge bullets.

But that begs the question, of course, because there's no reason he has to rely on him in that spot.

He could make up some kind of rule about when Mo comes in if that helps. Whatever, but Mo has to be in there.

2007-06-12 19:27:42
333.   BklynBmr
328 Has to be 'psych-ops' for Farns. At home, with a lead, winning streak, etc. Did I mention salary? But, I'd love to know the real deal with this...
2007-06-12 19:29:57
334.   Mattpat11
332 I have no idea why we can't just trade this man. I've been asking this for a year. Its like a Pavano situation where I suspect Cashman doesn't want to admit a mistake.
2007-06-12 19:30:24
335.   weeping for brunnhilde
He sure is banging the baseball around the place.
2007-06-12 19:31:13
336.   ny2ca2dc
hey look, a 1-2-3 eight inning!
2007-06-12 19:31:40
337.   seamus
334 pavano was untradeable. farnsworth is actually dealable.
2007-06-12 19:32:11
338.   Mattpat11
336 I do not know what that is.
2007-06-12 19:33:14
339.   RIYank
I wonder if the idea is to keep using Farnsworth until he makes, say, two good appearances in a row, to buoy his trade value.
2007-06-12 19:33:17
340.   cult of basebaal
c'mon mo ... send me off to the tv happy
2007-06-12 19:33:27
341.   weeping for brunnhilde
334 Perhaps we don't need to trade him.

Perhaps we might just try to re-harness him.

There's no reason he needs to be the 8th inning guy, but who knows, he might be ok to have out there if you need a strike out.

I don't know...

2007-06-12 19:33:46
342.   ny2ca2dc
why did they have to show that flashback...... fuckers. fuck you fuckers.
2007-06-12 19:34:45
343.   ny2ca2dc
341 or a walk. or a home run. or a double. or single. not too many triples though, there's something.
2007-06-12 19:34:49
344.   weeping for brunnhilde
Mo just has the most beautiful delivery I have every seen.
2007-06-12 19:34:56
345.   cult of basebaal
the shitty thing about the yankees bullpen situation this year is that there actually appear to be favorable alternatives that just aren't being tried ...
2007-06-12 19:35:08
346.   Mattpat11
337Pavano was no untradeable. He had a pulse in a year Gil Meche was raking in paydays. Pavano was untradeable if you're hellbent on proving he was worth the hideous contract you gave him. If he followed the Randy Johnson plan and traded Pavano for whatever the hell was offered, we'd be rid of him.
2007-06-12 19:35:25
347.   RIYank
Happy. This makes me happy.

Don't forget, an A1 start from Wang. And now this. I don't remember the eighth. I don't think we played an eighth inning today.

2007-06-12 19:35:39
348.   cult of basebaal
me likey old schooly mo
2007-06-12 19:35:53
349.   Mattpat11
334 No, we need to be rid of him.
2007-06-12 19:35:59
350.   ny2ca2dc
341 Don't mean to be lame though, I see your point & i can see him as useful if he were dropped in the pecking order below mo, procter, bruney and britton.

I think Viz has to go before Farns.

damn, Mo is back.

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2007-06-12 19:36:23
351.   weeping for brunnhilde
"Soft groundball to second base."

Ahh, such sweet music.

2007-06-12 19:36:31
352.   seamus
346 that doesn't make any sense. You would have railed for what cashman would have gotten. you would have called them notcarl and all kinds of crap. lose lose situation for cash once pavano was on the payroll.
2007-06-12 19:37:18
353.   seamus
341 i agree with re-harnessing. I'd like to see him used in less pivotal situations.
2007-06-12 19:37:21
354.   yankz
I love Mo.
2007-06-12 19:37:48
355.   BklynBmr
341 For the youngsters, Google 'Full Pack Stanhouse'. This may be our fate given Farns is untradeable..
2007-06-12 19:37:56
356.   RIYank
Pavano was untradeable, for sure. Unless the Yankees ate his salary, maybe.
2007-06-12 19:38:14
357.   RIYank
HA!
2007-06-12 19:38:23
358.   bobtaco
500!
2007-06-12 19:38:30
359.   Mattpat11
Mo update. AB (After Beltre)

14.1 IP 8 H 1 R 1 HR 2 BB 1 HBP 15 K 5 SV .63 ERA

2007-06-12 19:38:37
360.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice job, Mo, nice job, boys!

This feels so good.

2007-06-12 19:38:53
361.   yankz
I love Mo.

Holy sh1t, SEVEN!!!

2007-06-12 19:39:00
362.   BklynBmr
The best .500 team in MLB! Upward and onward...
2007-06-12 19:39:31
363.   weeping for brunnhilde
343 ha ha hah a!!!

Indeed.

2007-06-12 19:40:02
364.   ny2ca2dc
booya! we beat their ace, good chance to sweep! Mo=god.
2007-06-12 19:40:16
365.   thelarmis
ballgame! i never thought i'd be so happy to see .500 in almost mid-june. let's put .500 in the rear view mirror. upwards and onwards. go yanks!!!
2007-06-12 19:40:57
366.   OldYanksFan
What a different 7 days makes...
2007-06-12 19:41:13
367.   Mattpat11
346 "that doesn't make any sense. You would have railed for what cashman would have gotten."

Clearly you underestimate my hatred of Carl Pavano the baseball player and the signing there of. I would have taken a three legged dog to be rid of him, his attitude, his baggage and his lack of talent.

2007-06-12 19:41:21
368.   fansince77
wonderful...seven...swagger...

it's nice to have a down night and win 4-1. What happens tomorrow when the Bombers are actually ON?

2007-06-12 19:41:38
369.   seamus
very nice win. Thanks to Wang. I've been thinking about this 7 game streak and how it would have been impossible pre-clemens. just saying...
2007-06-12 19:42:10
370.   seamus
367 then how is trading him any better than him on the DL?
2007-06-12 19:42:29
371.   cult of basebaal
excellent ... now off to watch the last sopranos episode ... c'y'all tomorrow
2007-06-12 19:43:42
372.   RIYank
Suzyn interviewing Mo. He doesn't really say much of anything, but his voice is very soothing to me.
2007-06-12 19:44:29
373.   RIYank
We should score a pile of runs tomorrow.

Let's go Yankees!

2007-06-12 19:44:33
374.   Mattpat11
356 Then do it. The idiocy of not only hanging on to this man like a security blanket, but actually COUNTING ON HIM this year boggles my mind to the point where I can only attribute it to a stubborn man trying not admit a massive mistake.

I can almost, almost understand refusing to trade him. WHY WAS HE MADE A MAJOR PART OF THE 2007 YANKEES?

When the inevitable happened we were left with our dicks in our hands.

2007-06-12 19:44:53
375.   bobtaco
Can we trade him to the Astros? Their BP has blown yet another Oswalt win for my fantasy team. I hate them.
2007-06-12 19:45:11
376.   weeping for brunnhilde
362 I'll drink to that!
2007-06-12 19:45:57
377.   Mattpat11
370 Trading him rids us of him and prevents the mind boggling stupid move of making him a major part of the Yankees 2007 starting rotation.
2007-06-12 19:46:25
378.   seamus
g'night all. onward and upward!
2007-06-12 19:48:29
379.   Mattpat11
Further more, I only call whatshisface Notrandy because he is indisputably not Randy Johnson and that was apparently the only criterion he had to meet.

NotCarl would be a badge of honor.

2007-06-12 19:50:07
380.   weeping for brunnhilde
372 Yes, he's a special person.
2007-06-12 19:56:57
381.   Shaun P
377 I agree with you, sort of.

But consider this - if the Yanks had traded Pavano, they'd have to eat most, probably all, of his salary. And they'd get squat in return.

If the Yanks kept him, and he pitched OK, no harm no foul - and they could trade him if he's doing well, without having to eat all the salary. And maybe even get something decent in return.

If the Yanks kept him, and he got injured again, at least they could collect insurance on his salary.

All things being equal, I'm much happier with the ~$20M for the next two seasons.

2007-06-12 20:02:47
382.   RIYank
Who's ahead of us for the WC now? Detroit, Oakland, Seattle. I guess the Twins are even, and Detroit has pulled up with Cleveland.

We'll catch them. I actually think we will. Not for sure, but I'm getting confident.

2007-06-12 20:03:58
383.   Shaun P
380 I think that having Mo back in form is the most comforting part of this season so far. Better than a single digit deficit in the East; better than being back at .500; better than a 7 game winning streak.

Watching Mo be so un-Mo was probably the most disturbing part of April and May. Even if we could say it wasn't his fault, doubt was creeping into my mind. I know there will come a time when there is no more Mo, or when Mo isn't Mo anymore, but I was not ready to face that this year. I'm glad I don't have to. =)

2007-06-12 20:05:42
384.   weeping for brunnhilde
382 Yeah, me too.

Boston beat Colorado 2-1 behind Wakefield.

Damn, I wish we could get a piece of them right now.

2007-06-12 20:08:10
385.   yankz
384 I wish I could get a piece of Rachel Specter, the woman responsible for the hot streak. George should fly her out and give her her own box in the new stadium.
2007-06-12 20:08:31
386.   RIYank
384 I know, the Sox are in a horrible scoring slump but are still managing to win. I said earlier that the Yanks should have sent a "How to Hit the Knuckler" fax to the visiting clubhouse in Fenway.
Ah, well. We keep winning, and the Sox' bats stay cool, and we're going to start closing hard.
2007-06-12 20:08:44
387.   weeping for brunnhilde
383 Oh, agree wholeheartedly.

What do we do when that time comes?

I was completely dejected when we let Andy walk.

And it was all right watching the gradual decline of Bernie, Tino and Paulie.

But Mo's a whole nother story. A whole nother level of emotion.

I just can't bear to watch him play mediocre baseball, it hurts more with him than it did with the position players.

2007-06-12 20:10:27
388.   BklynBmr
Congrats to Verlander tonight. And how about that DP started by Perez? Spectacular.

Now, a pox on their house. Let 'em drop 10 straight. The iceholes.

It had to be said.

2007-06-12 20:13:10
389.   Mattpat11
381

If the Yanks kept him, and he pitched OK

I'll stop you right there. It wasn't going to happen. I knew it. You knew it. Cashman knew it. If Pavano pitched a VERY liberal 150 IP of league average ERA, it would be the second time in ten tries.

Carl Pavano was an oft injured pitcher that was bad when he could be bothered to show up. This should have been obvious in 2004 when Carlapalooza was going on. By 2007, a blind man could see it.

2007-06-12 20:13:25
390.   weeping for brunnhilde
386 Oh, speaking of the visitors' clubhouse, I saw the strangest thing last night during the Mets game.

Peterson tried to go the phone, but there were three boxes on the wall and--get this--he actually couldn't find the telephone!

He was looking around for it and he went to the first box and it was locked, and proceeded to screw around with the boxes in sequence until finally he found the magic button to open the box, but the phone wasn't behind door number 1!

He found the thing, finally, but man, what vaudeville.

But seriously, the man was trying to win a baseball game and there he is, fucking around with the communications device as play continues.

Seemed really unfair to me, but man, was it funny.

2007-06-12 20:16:27
391.   Mattpat11
383 Agree completely.
2007-06-12 20:19:19
392.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hey, that's some cheap-ass scoring! Did you know Melky didn't get an RBI there because techically it was a gidp?

That's nonsense, that's not a gidp, that's a baserunning error.

2007-06-12 20:20:56
393.   RIYank
392 Yep, I did see that. And I don't see how it can be scored a DP. Oh well, that's another reason that RBI are a stupid statistic. ;-)
2007-06-12 20:21:31
394.   weeping for brunnhilde
:)
2007-06-12 20:24:44
395.   BklynBmr
383 Bingo! Mo being Mo again is the real 'under story' of late. In character, he's quietly righted himself while the starters and the bats grab the headlines. And I'm sure he could not care less...
2007-06-12 20:27:16
396.   RIYank
Well, that was a good one, and another excellent day for Abreu. Let's keep it rolling tomorrow against these pretenders! They aren't very good, really, despite their record. The DBax have outscored their opponents by a mere 10 runs this year, while a certain .500 team in the AL has outscored its opponents by 54. Let's pound Livan and give Moose a cushion, then roll up the score against the bullpen.

HA!

2007-06-12 20:30:11
397.   weeping for brunnhilde
Does anyone recall that amazing catch Abreu made to save the game? The one where he was running full steam ahead and stuck the glove out? Men on base, late?

It was at Fenway, right? The game when Alex touched Papelbon?

That was Farns too, right? (Or was it?)

Because that out by Tony Clark could have gone otherwise too.

Never again.

Good God, never again.

2007-06-12 20:46:19
398.   bobtaco
397 Yep, it was.
2007-06-12 20:50:33
399.   weeping for brunnhilde
397 Thanks. Even when he's "effective" it basically comes down to hoping the ball is hit at somebody. Of course he might strike you out, too, but if not, brother, hold on.
2007-06-12 20:59:27
400.   3rd gen yankee fan
OH MY GOD, WE BEAT BRANDON WEBB!
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2007-06-12 21:00:03
401.   Schteeve
I'm not much for "I told you so" but, when the Farnsworth signing was announced, I, being a Yankee fan living in Cubs territory, said something to the effect of, "Oh my f'n God are you f'n kidding me??? No!!!"
2007-06-12 21:31:33
402.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Joba tonight in his 1st AA start:

5 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 9 K, 4-2 GB/FB

Big man making it look easy.

2007-06-12 21:45:36
403.   Mattpat11
401 I said it well before they signed him, when the rumors started in late Summer 05.

So I win.

2007-06-12 22:08:57
404.   underdog
A very belated "Ha!" to y'all. Congrats and thank you for the smackdown of the DBacks. A good night all around (sorry if you're a Mets fan, but I'm tickled by that). Congrats to Justin Verlander. This Glen Park resident (see some of you on BART) bids you good night.
2007-06-12 22:15:59
405.   weeping for brunnhilde
404 Ha!
2007-06-12 22:47:56
406.   BklynBmr
404 The city of Colma is working on a special 2007 Red Sox commemorative headstone as we speak. ;-)

/regional joke/

2007-06-12 22:56:05
407.   Marcus
406 Ha! (I get it!)

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