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Hell's Angels
2007-05-26 09:21
by Alex Belth
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The Angels were in town to beat the Yankees about the face and neck once again. The Yanks should just say, "Thank you sir, may I have another?" when they play these dudes. Jared Weaver wasn't great, but it didn't matter because the Yankee pitchers were far worse. So the Angels did what they normally do against New York--they smacked the ball around the field, ran around the bases, and flashed some leather (Orlando Cabrera robbed Alex Rodriguez of a hit and an RBI and first basemen Casey Kotchman was nothing short of outstanding). 10-6 was the final, but it wasn't even that close. The Bombers fell another game behind Boston who beat the Rangers last night.

Johnny Damon looked terrible in center field and left the game early with cramps in his calves. Damon is not in the line-up this afternoon.

Meanwhile for the first time in a long time, The Boss speaks, un-cut.

As for today's game, no better time than the present for the Yanks to turn their luck around against the Angels. I've got faith. Bombers will roll today.

Heaven Help Us: Let's Go Yan-Kees.

Comments (178)
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2007-05-26 09:41:39
1.   Mattpat11
I posted this in the last thread, but I think this deserves to seen by as many people as possible.

The family of Josh Hancock, a man that got blitzed, stoned and was talking on his phone when he crashed, and by the grace of God, only killed himself, is suing. Who you ask?

The restaurant. The tow truck company. The tow truck driver. The DRIVER OF THE CAR THAT BROKE DOWN.

Class all the way, those Hancocks.

In Yankee related news, I have a good feeling about this game.

2007-05-26 09:46:07
2.   Zack
Stinky Minky is still playing, despite having really only hit for about 2 weeks. Its where I am choosing to focus my frustration...
2007-05-26 09:47:24
3.   seamus
1 what are the facts? Is the case frivolous? What would be the grounds for dismissal if you were the defense attorney? How do you know that there wasn't negligence on some or all of those parties counts? Maybe his family is just doing what most folks do when they lose a loved one, blaming others reflexively. Maybe their case is weak, I don't know. But why is it classless?
2007-05-26 09:47:49
4.   Zack
Oh yeah, and Fox too. Insted of the Yanks-Angels game, even though I live in freaking So-Cal, I get NASCAR. Grrr...
2007-05-26 09:49:31
5.   seamus
2 I wish we would see more of Phelps.
2007-05-26 09:49:41
6.   Mattpat11
2 Define "hit."

He's been as bad as ever over his last two weeks. He's hit for more power of the last week, but he's still not getting on base or hitting for average.

2007-05-26 09:49:50
7.   bartap74
The Yes team explains that the reason Joe used 5 pitchers yesterday was that he knew Wang was pitching today and would give him innings. No mention of the fact that Joe uses 5 pitchers or more in nearly every game. Also no explanation yet for the quick hook of Clippard last night.
2007-05-26 09:50:23
8.   seamus
4 same here. gotta watch it via super, double secret method.
2007-05-26 09:51:15
9.   Paul in Boston
Any way to watch this game on line? Someone seemed to know a few weeks ago ...
2007-05-26 09:51:34
10.   Mattpat11
3 I believe the facts are their asshole son got smashed and high, refused to wait for a cab and plowed into a tow truck.
2007-05-26 09:51:42
11.   seamus
9 do you have mlbtv?
2007-05-26 09:52:06
12.   Mattpat11
10 That head its warning lights blinking. While he was talking on the phone.
2007-05-26 09:52:44
13.   seamus
10 those are only some of the facts. Those facts do not tell you whether or not the other parties have some negligence involved.
2007-05-26 09:53:42
14.   seamus
the game is at 1pm no? mlbtv guy keeps sayng 3:55pm start.
2007-05-26 09:56:10
15.   Mattpat11
13 How could the driver possibly be negligent?
2007-05-26 09:57:14
16.   Mattpat11
YES is blowing Matsuzaka. I wonder if they'll mention he was awful.
2007-05-26 09:57:23
17.   Paul in Boston
11 I have it, yes.
2007-05-26 09:57:43
18.   seamus
15 i don't know. I wasn't there. maybe he ran out into the road in front of hancock's car? Why is it bad for a jury to come to rationale conclusion on this?
2007-05-26 09:58:06
19.   seamus
17 if you post your e-mail i can email instructions.
2007-05-26 09:58:59
20.   Paul in Boston
2007-05-26 09:59:42
21.   Bob Timmermann
Zack, turn on Channel 13 if you're in Southern California.
2007-05-26 10:01:11
22.   Mattpat11
18 Because there has been no indication that anyone but The Asshole was at fault. Asshole Sr. is grasping at straws and trying to ruin other peoples lives because his son was such a worthless shit.
2007-05-26 10:03:11
23.   seamus
22 and a jury would determine that if that is the truth. So, answer, what is wrong with that?

In any case, neither one of us knows what is true. There is no question that his son screwed up. But we don't know that other parties aren't negligent.

2007-05-26 10:04:50
24.   Mattpat11
Are Kay and Singleton in a closet?
2007-05-26 10:05:09
25.   LI yankee
19 Hey I'm having the same problem (blackout). I'd greatly appreciate it if I got some help as well.

2007-05-26 10:07:06
26.   bartap74
Once again, they spend several minutes lambasting the bullpen but there is no mention of the serial overuse/misuse that has brought the pen to such misery. Even Vizcaino was pitching well before he had to pitch in every single game. I don't think he's ever recovered.
2007-05-26 10:07:30
27.   yankz
I think the impatient Angels will help out Wang. Won't be able to resist that sinker.
2007-05-26 10:12:27
28.   weeping for brunnhilde
Re: Steinbrenner: "Steinbrenner said Clemens is capable of sparking the team but thought the Rocket needed another start in the minors. He also praised Derek Jeter and Andy Pettitte, calling Pettitte "gutsy.""

Funny, as I recall, George never liked Andy when he was here, and nearly traded him away on several occasions ca. '98, '99.

And when Andy was allowed to walk I have to believe that if George had wanted to keep him on, it would have happened.

Now he's gutsy.

I told you so, George.

2007-05-26 10:14:57
29.   seamus
28 to be fair, a lot of fans wanted him gone too (price was too high) because they thought he'd have elbow problems (which he has). But we all seem to be happy he is back.
2007-05-26 10:15:24
30.   yankz
Guess I'm in China for the afternoon.
2007-05-26 10:16:04
31.   seamus
30 huh?
2007-05-26 10:16:16
32.   yankz
I think Vlad can hit anything. Even bean balls.
2007-05-26 10:17:09
33.   yankz
31 Chinese IP address to get around the blackout. Shhhh...
2007-05-26 10:17:44
34.   Mattpat11
Well, this is going poorly.
2007-05-26 10:18:42
35.   weeping for brunnhilde
I hate to sound like a broken record, but I think winning baseball games all comes down to going the other way.

Matthews just laced a ball into the left-center field gap in a way I think our hitters need to do far more regularly.

Par for the course with these Californias, it seems.

2007-05-26 10:18:51
36.   williamnyy23
Wang is leaving the ball up...which makes me think that if it aint broke, don't fix it. I know he pitched ok against Boston, but Wang has been effective for one reason...because of the hard sinker. This effort to diversify could very well wind up making him a mediocre pitcher.

3-0 ...that wsa fast.

2007-05-26 10:19:46
37.   yankz
Oh yahoo.
2007-05-26 10:19:54
38.   williamnyy23
7 So much for Joe's master plan.
2007-05-26 10:22:36
39.   weeping for brunnhilde
And another thing--I've been really grateful we have Mientkiewicz. His defense really is stellar and it seems to me that he's an asset to the team.

I'm all for his starting at first base.

2007-05-26 10:23:09
40.   yankz
OK, even though I started Escobar today, let's get some runs...
2007-05-26 10:24:03
41.   williamnyy23
39 You can put it this way...Doug Mientkiewicz is so far down the list of Yankee problems that he isn't worth targeting. Coming into the season, he was picked on because he was the one glaring flaw. Well, as things have turned out, he has plenty of company.
2007-05-26 10:24:56
42.   SF Yanks
seamus, would you care to help me out again like a few weeks ago? I keep forgetting to set it up the night before.

Or anybody, for that matter.

Much appreciation

2007-05-26 10:25:10
43.   Mattpat11
39 I wouldn't mind him as a Late inning defensive replacement. He's just a a hideous hitter.
2007-05-26 10:25:17
44.   yankz
Anyone see Duque yesterday? It's like he throws whiffle balls or something.
2007-05-26 10:25:34
45.   williamnyy23
Escobar is not the kind of pitcher to fall behind early with that splitter/breaking ball, it is going to be hard for the Yankees to be patient.
2007-05-26 10:26:46
46.   yankz
It's remarkable how consistent Clipper was.
2007-05-26 10:27:18
47.   seamus
42 i emailed ya.
2007-05-26 10:29:42
48.   bartap74
738 I think I've got it. Some anonymous corporation is giving Torre's Safe at Home Foundation $500 for every pitching change the Yankees make, so Joe is simply trying to do the right thing.
2007-05-26 10:31:36
49.   weeping for brunnhilde
Matsui just smacked a nice basehit to right on a ball that looked outer half.

So yes, it's true that he sometimes can pull that outside pitch, but I'm not sure that's the approach that's best over the long-run.

I feel like he'd be a lot more potent if he went the other way with that pitch, especially since he doesn't hit all that many homers in the first place.

I don't know, just my opinion.

Anyone have any thoughts?

2007-05-26 10:32:59
50.   williamnyy23
Could you have drawn up a more discouraging first inning?
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2007-05-26 10:33:55
51.   yankz
49 I'm not sure that's always his approach. I think I told you this before, against the Mets I saw him take an outside pitch deep to left for a 2B. It probably depends on the pitcher, situation, pitch, his swing, etc...
2007-05-26 10:34:58
52.   williamnyy23
49 You are should take the outside pitch to the opposite field and pull the inside pitch. Good pitchers trick or overpower hitters into doing the opposite.
2007-05-26 10:35:10
53.   seamus
The Dicks commercial that they are showing during commercial breaks on mlbtv is starting to get annoying.
2007-05-26 10:36:01
54.   yankz
Is Kei Igawa available?
2007-05-26 10:37:23
55.   Zack
Have I mentioned I hate the Angels?

And for that matter, I am really starting to dislike rooting for this team these days. Talk about hot and cold, its infuriating...

2007-05-26 10:37:23
56.   SF Yanks
47 Actually can you undo it? I don't like where this game is headed.

Playing. Much appreciation.

2007-05-26 10:37:36
57.   williamnyy23
Everything is up! What happened to the Wang sinker. There's an old line about if you don't throw it, you lose it! Well...I sure hope Wang goes back to the steady diet of sinkers.
2007-05-26 10:39:38
58.   seamus
56 funny. i left those instructions in your e-mail which was just a copy of what i e-mailed the others.
2007-05-26 10:40:20
59.   yankz
Vlad terrifies me. Oh, what could have been...
2007-05-26 10:41:11
60.   yankz
Dammit Cano.

Have there been any GB?

2007-05-26 10:41:15
61.   Chyll Will
Hey guys, just a little safety advice about posting your email address: spell out all the @ and . symbols as "at" and "dot" to avoid grief from spammers. There's software that scans blogs for emails so they can spam you to death. Example:

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Just a little friendly advice, be careful! Peace >;)

2007-05-26 10:41:51
62.   williamnyy23
Wow...another lapse by Cano. That's an inexusable mistake. Meanwhile, another deep fly ball. It's the second inning, and the game is now on the brink. There are no excuses anymore.
2007-05-26 10:42:02
63.   weeping for brunnhilde
Excellent, excellent play by Melky. Heads up throwing to second and a strong throw.

And then Robby seemed to laze it, as he is wont to do.

Should be an error.

2007-05-26 10:44:28
64.   williamnyy23
Big out, but if Wang can't get the ball down, this game is a foregone conclusion. Also, it's worth noting that Wang's ERA is 4.71, so right now, the Yankees only have 1 pitcher on his game.
2007-05-26 10:44:46
65.   yankz
Yahoo has CMW at 2 GB, 2 FB, but they don't call liners like Matthews' FB. In other words, Wang has nothing.
2007-05-26 10:46:10
66.   yankz
Hey Yankees, if you're going to sh1t the bed, can you at least strike out to help my fantasy team?
2007-05-26 10:46:44
67.   williamnyy23
Posada is great...I really appreciate the passion in his game.
2007-05-26 10:47:32
68.   williamnyy23
Think Robbie needs his old #22 back?
2007-05-26 10:48:50
69.   SF Yanks
58 Ah, I see. Maybe if I get the 'ol memory going next week, I can be the "copy and paste" guy, and you can take a week off. :)
2007-05-26 10:50:26
70.   yankz
That's why you always hustle!
2007-05-26 10:51:18
71.   yankz
Punish him, Abreu.
2007-05-26 10:51:26
72.   yankz
I mean Melky.
2007-05-26 10:52:44
73.   SF Yanks
61 Thank you, I was completely unaware of that. I will take the advice.
2007-05-26 10:52:45
74.   seamus
69 yes. it is so very tiring... I'll be the DH. :)
2007-05-26 10:52:45
75.   yankz
Despite getting two runners on, that was still a bad inning. Neither ball left the IF.
2007-05-26 10:53:09
76.   yankz
Peace out guys. I have better things I should be doing.
2007-05-26 10:58:34
77.   seamus
that was a good looking sinker.
2007-05-26 11:00:50
78.   williamnyy23
Is it a good thing that Wang has been striking out more people this season? I wonder if he is trying to record more Ks, and in doing so, is limiting his overall effectiveness?
2007-05-26 11:01:10
79.   seamus
that was a beut!
2007-05-26 11:01:45
80.   seamus
78 i think he is better of forcing batters to hit his hard sinker. when it is working anyhow.
2007-05-26 11:05:14
81.   weeping for brunnhilde
51 I know, his double yesterday was to the opposite field, that's what so mysterious. I can't figure out why sometimes he goes the other way and sometimes he doesn't.

Maybe there is a method to it, I just can't see it.


2007-05-26 11:07:47
82.   williamnyy23
If Abreu is really in the midst of a 30-plus game mental slump, then I think the Yankees need to deal him. I understand the concept of putting pressure on yourself, but allowing that to continue past a month doesn't speak well.
2007-05-26 11:09:34
83.   williamnyy23
81 Most hitters try to hit the ball where it's pitched unless they are guessing, in which case they'd be more apt to "force" it. I think you are reading too much into approach because the results aren't there.
2007-05-26 11:11:26
84.   Mattpat11
Really easy trivia question
2007-05-26 11:18:50
85.   williamnyy23
I miss the California Angels...Bobby Grich, Brian Downing, Rod Carew...those guys.
2007-05-26 11:20:36
86.   thelarmis
i miss winning ballgames and leading the division. i kinda miss bernie, too...
2007-05-26 11:21:41
87.   williamnyy23
86 Yes...I miss those things too...but my comment was prompted by the Aflac trivia quiz.
2007-05-26 11:22:45
88.   williamnyy23
I wouldn't have minded Giambi yelling a thhing or two there...maybe jump start the team or rattle Escobar.
2007-05-26 11:23:32
89.   williamnyy23
These are the ABs were Cano has hurt the team...jumping on balls early and then striking out. Hopefully, he can be more patient.
2007-05-26 11:23:43
90.   seamus
i must be on slight delay. i read 88 and was like "Why would Giambi yell at Escobar?" and then he got hit.
2007-05-26 11:24:28
91.   williamnyy23
89 Text book...Cano is really getting to be a problem.
2007-05-26 11:25:14
92.   williamnyy23
90 Sorry...I'll delya myself is writing spoiler posts.
2007-05-26 11:27:29
93.   Mattpat11
Stink Minky is a hit machine!
2007-05-26 11:28:17
94.   seamus
92 don't delay yourself. not your fault.
2007-05-26 11:28:23
95.   williamnyy23
Just hit it hard Melky...that's all I ask.
2007-05-26 11:30:35
96.   williamnyy23
93 You almost have to call a truce with Minky. When two guys on the team (Cano and Abreu) are not only hitting much worse than he is, but also plaing poor defense, you simply can not target im for criticism.
2007-05-26 11:36:11
97.   Mattpat11
96 I disagree. When people on the team are playing well below expectations thats when we can least afford to play fa guy with no ability. The others should break out of it. I think Mientkiewicz will get even worse.
2007-05-26 11:39:22
98.   thelarmis
87 acha! oops, i don't have the game here in the south so i didn't know about the aflac ?...
2007-05-26 11:39:50
99.   seamus
wang looking good. he really needed to settle down and he has.
2007-05-26 11:42:36
100.   Mattpat11
That failed.
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2007-05-26 11:43:20
101.   thelarmis
jetes hits in 77 of 80 games and now he's bunting the runner over? ugh. should've gone with a hit & run...
2007-05-26 11:43:28
102.   williamnyy23
2007-05-26 11:44:50
103.   JeremyM
Why in God's name is he bunting down 2 runs?
2007-05-26 11:44:59
104.   Mattpat11
That failed alot worse.

Getting late early.

2007-05-26 11:45:18
105.   williamnyy23
Why are the Yankees 5 under? Watch that inning.
2007-05-26 11:45:22
106.   thelarmis
that failed too.
2007-05-26 11:47:24
107.   Mattpat11
Has anyone see that Centerstage of Roger? He's wearing the ugliest shirt I've ever seen.
2007-05-26 11:53:09
108.   thelarmis
wang seems to be striking out more batters this season. 1 per inning today and now a 'quality start' in the books.

i can't fathom our offense is this feeble.

2007-05-26 11:53:52
109.   seamus
108 and he is in control. that was 10 pitch inning after a 12 pitch inning. back to being the wanger.
2007-05-26 11:55:15
110.   williamnyy23
109 Maybe Clippard can pinch hit?
2007-05-26 11:58:05
111.   bartap74
I'm pretty sure I could match Nieves' offensive production.
2007-05-26 11:59:47
112.   thelarmis
hell, i'd even take nieves' spot on the roster for $100,000 less than he makes. ; )
2007-05-26 12:00:39
113.   Mattpat11
This team isn't even fun to watch. If they get behind, you know they're incapable of coming back. And id they manage to somehow make it close, here comes Kyle Farnsworth.
2007-05-26 12:01:49
114.   williamnyy23
108 It's actually not hard to fathom when you consider Minky and Melky are in there and Areu and Cano have passed the point of brushing off their struggles. That's nearly half the lineup well below league average productionv(not to mention Giambi being all screwed up). Unfortunately, there is nothing the team can do about it.
2007-05-26 12:08:39
115.   Mattpat11
Kay needs to stop mocking Vlad. Vlad will eat him.
2007-05-26 12:09:54
116.   williamnyy23
115 At least the Yankees seem to run balls out. That's a positive.
2007-05-26 12:13:03
117.   Mattpat11
Hell, if all you do is hit weak ground balls to the second baseman, you might as well.
2007-05-26 12:13:28
118.   Mattpat11
Oh for Christ sakes.
2007-05-26 12:13:35
119.   weeping for brunnhilde
114 Cano's actually hitting, though. His troubles now are mostly defensive and seem to be mental, a function of poor focus.
2007-05-26 12:14:31
120.   williamnyy23
119 I'd have to look at the splits, but it sure seems like he isn't hitting in key spots.
2007-05-26 12:14:36
121.   Mattpat11
119 Otherwise known as "lazy as fuck"
2007-05-26 12:16:23
122.   Mattpat11
120 226 .259 .340 with RISP

241 .284 .333 with men on

.100 .143 .200 RISP 2 outs

2007-05-26 12:17:00
123.   Mattpat11
ah shit. Farnsworth warming.
2007-05-26 12:17:35
124.   bartap74
As it starts to look like the Yankees might get back into it, the Yankees get Farnsworth up to make sure they don't.
2007-05-26 12:18:25
125.   Mattpat11
124 see 113
2007-05-26 12:19:31
126.   Mattpat11
Hell of a swing there Bobby.
2007-05-26 12:20:53
127.   Mattpat11
This team fucking sucks.
2007-05-26 12:21:03
128.   williamnyy23
Abreu is slowly entering the pantheon on Yankees I hate...Nokes, Womack, Kevin Brown...
2007-05-26 12:22:13
129.   Mattpat11
If Abreu's bat made contact with the ball, I don't think it would have even gone anywhere.
2007-05-26 12:23:20
130.   Mattpat11
Oh thank Christ. I thought Worthless was on his way in.
2007-05-26 12:24:33
131.   bartap74
This has to be Wang's last inning. He came in at 98 pitches.
2007-05-26 12:26:31
132.   Mattpat11
131 At least its not Kyle.
2007-05-26 12:28:27
133.   williamnyy23
Great job by Wang...too bad the rest of the team has taken the afternoon off so far.
2007-05-26 12:28:29
134.   seamus
wang rules! love seeing him go 8 innings.

38 and william, i think you spoke too soon.

2007-05-26 12:35:57
135.   Mattpat11
2007-05-26 12:36:34
136.   Mattpat11
Is it being to negative to suggest the Yankees aren't playing a good baseball game?
2007-05-26 12:45:35
137.   JeremyM
Mo's ERA is now under 6, that's a positive!

Seriously, I know Escobar can pitch, but this is a crappy loss. But I sure would really like to beat Rodriguez for once....

2007-05-26 12:50:26
138.   Mattpat11
Did Cano want a tee?
2007-05-26 12:53:07
139.   bartap74
Man, a home run now could really energize the team.
2007-05-26 12:54:46
140.   Zack
What a crappy loss, crappy showing, crappy afternoon. This team simply cannot put it together. Overall, the starting pitching has been darn good in the past month, so the offense stinks. Then, they click for about three games, and then stink again. They've managed to take all the wind out of the sails. Its getting harder and harder fo rme to think positively in terms of the season...
2007-05-26 12:57:00
141.   Mattpat11
Yankees lose again. Lose another series. They still don't give a flying shit.
2007-05-26 12:57:38
142.   bartap74
That was a terrible call.
2007-05-26 12:58:31
143.   LI yankee
That would usually be a tough loss, but at this point my tolerance is high for those
2007-05-26 12:58:49
144.   randym77
Well, that sucked.

But I kind of expected it. Even when the Yankees are playing well, the bleepin' Halos have their number.

2007-05-26 12:58:54
145.   JeremyM
Well, another season ends at the hands of the Angels...What's that? It's not over?!?!

Could've fooled me. I really thought these guys would turn it around, but apparently it's not happening.

2007-05-26 12:59:31
146.   williamnyy23
I can't blame Aabreu...neither pitch was even close, but that's what happens when you wait for two outs in the 9th to mount a comeback.

This goes down as yet another negative point in a decidely negative season. I don't think you can argue that they've turned a corner. If I was Cashman, I would set June 15 as a key date. If the team isn't over .500 by then and playing well, I would break it down.

2007-05-26 12:59:54
147.   Yankees Brasil
Abreu should swing the bat.. sometimes..
2007-05-26 13:00:53
148.   Mattpat11
140 You're being far too negative. We here at the Banter like to be obliviously positive in the face of a miserable season, take moral victories, and assume they'll turn it all around based on nothing. By pointing out that the Yankees are the drizzling shits, not only are you beating a "dead horse" but you are chasing people away and ruining the feel of this blog.

The correct response to a game like this is "Don't worry guys, no rush, no urgency. You can start playing competitive baseball when you feel like it.

2007-05-26 13:01:38
149.   williamnyy23
147 Had he swung at those pitches, we'd be complaining about him going out of the zone. The replays showed those pitches to both clearly be balls.
2007-05-26 13:02:14
150.   Yankees Brasil
Sarcasm.. its nice..
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2007-05-26 13:03:02
151.   Yankees Brasil
149 It seems like every bad call goes against the Yankees.. damn umps
2007-05-26 13:03:42
152.   nick
we are just terrible in close games....6-19 in games decided by 3 runs or wonder this year feels so lousy-
2007-05-26 13:05:09
153.   williamnyy23
151 It always seems that way with bad teams because they seldom do enough to overcome bad calls. Good teams don't put themselves in the position of having a game come down to one or two calls.
2007-05-26 13:05:23
154.   nick
148 cue up the Python version of "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life"....
2007-05-26 13:09:50
155.   williamnyy23
With Lackey going against Mussina, I'd say we are looking at a sweep. If that's the case...someone will be fired and someone released. I'd guess Long and Vizcaino. It probably isn't fair, but some message needs to be sent.

Randomly off the top of my head, the division is over and the WC is now less than a 50/50 proposition. I think a mangerial change very early would have made a difference, but now I think the ship needs to sink.

2007-05-26 13:11:43
156.   Martin Schnei
Alex: I'm Martin Schneider, CHHS '88. I just ran into Birbrower in the Amberlands-area A&P. He had little Aaron in tow (named after Henry?). It's interesting that he and I see the Yanks in exactly the same way, i.e. support with extreme reluctance. I've been telling people that my attitude towards the Yanks is increasingly becoming marked by schadenfruede, in other words, serves you right. my e-mail address was part of the registration -- If you want to pass it on to Adam, that's fine with me. We should keep in touch.
2007-05-26 13:13:25
157.   Chyll Will
151 Some umps, and most officials in sports in general, will dogpile a bad team with bad calls, with the logic that if they played with more spirit and better skill, they would get the benefit of the doubt. It's a sin, but no one feels sorry for the Yanks right now, so until they start dominating games they should theoretically win the hate will continue unabated. This team gives them plenty of cover to get away with it.

That said, the MLB umps are either the most comfortable or the most bitter officials in pro sports, because their questionable calls have affected more and more games the last few seasons, and seemingly getting away with it without rebuke or punishment. Again, that's a perception, but if anyone wants to provide research one way or the other, I'm all ears.

2007-05-26 13:15:07
158.   JeremyM
157 Across the board, officials are terrible; just look at the Tim Duncan deal earlier this year where ref Joey Crawford challenged him to a fight, yet he'll be welcomed back next season!
2007-05-26 13:20:03
159.   Chyll Will
158 Experience isn't always a good thing; sometimes it leads to inflexibility. I don't know what kind of reputation Crawford has, I just know he's mentioned a lot and has probably been reffing for a long, long time.
2007-05-26 13:34:42
160.   Chyll Will
158 This from E@#%:

"Stern had a lot to say about Crawford. "Especially in light of similar prior acts by this official, a significant suspension is warranted. Although Joey is consistently rated as one of our top referees, he must be held accountable for his actions on the floor, and we will have further discussions with him following the season to be sure he understands his responsibilities." He went on to say Crawford "failed to meet the standards of professionalism and game management we expect of NBA referees."

The prior acts Stern is referring to Crawford's aggressive reputation. He has been known to take control with his whistle and at times overshadow the game. One incident like this occurred during Game 2 of the 2003 NBA playoffs. Crawford ejected Don Nelson of the Dallas Mavericks for not returning to his bench fast enough. He later threw out Dallas' Del Harris. The first two game of the series were rife with fouls. There were 120 personal fouls and 9 technicals called. Stern was reportedly angry at this incident because the referees brought more attention to themselves than the game itself.

Joe Crawford has been officiating National Basketball Association games for 31 years now. He has officiated 38 NBA playoff games and more than 2000 regular season games."

I was right about the years. I do recall Charles Barkley couldn't stand the man, so much so that he continued to criticize him ad naseum when he retired to the broadcasting booth. Serious question, has anything similar happened to an ump? There are some notorious ones now that could use a dose of their own medicine, but has or would Selig impose a suspension on a measurably bad umpire?

For what it's worth, what would happen if you had a commish like Stern?

2007-05-26 13:58:43
161.   yankz
Good: Wang settles down, more vintage Mo (9 pitches, 7 strikes)

Bad: Offense can't handle hot pitching, Jeter's streak ends

I hate the Angels.

2007-05-26 14:13:12
162.   Chyll Will
I wish this season was better. I'm missing some of my favorite commenters here. I can't blame you guys for staying away, but just know I miss you people. Lunacy's more a propos when it's a fringe, not a lone sentinel >;)
2007-05-26 14:22:20
163.   Chyll Will
161 I say that only because the losing has us focused more and more on stats, and I feel left out since I'm not up to speed with the variety of stats yet, plus I can't access them as readily as many of our bredren. Still, you're a wild-and-crazy guy, too. Anyone who stands up for Taco Bell when it practically insults itself is quite all right in my book >;)
2007-05-26 14:29:02
164.   nemecizer
Just got back from the game at the Stadium. The folks I know in my section (Section 5, row W) from the past few years are all downbeat. No one thinks the Yankees are going to the post season this year. There was sporadic booing, but the crowd was pretty subdued, cheering more than anything. We all felt we could have won the game, but that there was no spark in this team.

The only really entertaining moment was a bunch of Red Sox fans strutting around and causing trouble. One of them got dragged away by the cops and he was quite belligerent. He almost took a swing at a cop. The Red Sox fans who remained got booed for staying after their friend was hauled off.

Otherwise the only heat at the Stadium was from the sun.

This team doesn't look good, though Wang really settled down after the 3rd and looked like his old self. He struck out 6! I think he is going to be good for us for years to come, and with Hughes and others, we might have a real team next year.

This year? Not so much.

No matter what, it's great to spend 9 innings at the Stadium, and it's always a treat to watch Mo pitch. It's like watching history.

Go Yankees.

2007-05-26 14:29:58
165.   nemecizer
164 PS, sorry to ramble. Had a few of those $8.75 Becks at the game. The best part was when the beer guy made me walk down 10 rows to come to him. He got booed by the section for not walking up.
2007-05-26 15:05:21
166.   claybeez

We were in section 8. That whole thing with the Red Sox boys was amusing. I did feel bad for the kid hauled off by the cop after the cop grabbed the neck of his shirt and yanked him. I didn't see anything worthy of that kind of treatment.

Agreed that the crowd was supportive. It was clear though that Abreu is the one on the you know what list now. Smatterings of boos. If he doesn't get going they may build.

Get 'em on, move 'em over, double play or K seemed to be the saying of the day. It was pretty frustrating cheering for the big hit that never came. But eyeing the batting averages of Damon, Abreu, Minky, Melky and even the lately hot Cano on the scoreboard makes it clear that there are few currently capable of delivering the big blow. Kinda sucks.

2007-05-26 15:15:11
167.   Chyll Will
164 Truth be told, I'm getting exhausted from remaining upbeat about this team and starting to think maybe it's time to suck it up and let the kids play. I'd rather go down fighting than to watch this bunch go through the motions. But I'm willing to wait until after the break for that. Rest won't do it, that seems apparent. Yelling probably won't work, either. I'm even doubtful that hiring a new manager will make a big difference this year. I'm beginning to wonder why Torre even wants to finish out the season, knowing that at this point he's not likely coming back for one more if he wanted to.

But I also suspect, which might be a bigger reason for the lost attitudes, that some higher-ups will string this along to further damage certain people's reputations so that when they do get cut loose, there won't be a decent market for them. Crazy?

2007-05-26 15:39:07
168.   yankz
163 Haha! Just glad I have company.
2007-05-26 17:04:30
169.   jkay
Thank you sir, may I have another?
2007-05-26 18:52:30
170.   3rd gen yankee fan
169 Sure, tomorrow.
2007-05-26 19:15:59
171.   Shaun P
162 163 I'm not always around during games, but that's only because of life, not the Yanks' losing. With a 17-month-old who has (seemingly) unlimited energy, and the wife ready to go any day now with #2, not a lot of time for watching the Yanks. I would if I could; win or lose, its still baseball. Shoot, I don't think I missed a single game in 1990 - unless it was a late West Coast game during the school year. Then the folks made me turn off the TV. =)

Chyll, for 161, I tip my cap to you.

167 The Tampa cabal is nothing if not petty. I don't think Cashman will take the fall for the Yanks not contending. It was bound to happen eventually. But if he does, I have no doubt he'll land on his feet somewhere - after taking a long, well-deserved vacation with his family. The folks in the biz know all about Tampa.

2007-05-26 19:20:05
172.   Shaun P
Gotta keep on keepin' on, right? Here's an early "Go Yanks!" from me, for tomorrow.
2007-05-26 19:50:28
173.   weeping for brunnhilde
171 Congratulations on the little ones, Shaun, that's terrific. I have a 4 1/2 year old with unlimited energy and a three-week old who's much mellower.

The second one may just let you breathe a little more.

Then again, maybe not.

Either way, one thing about children, they are the best of times, they are the worst of times.

2007-05-26 20:05:14
174.   Shaun P
171 Congrats to you too, weeping! Hope you're getting some sleep. Or we may be commiserating here together at 3 AM in a couple of weeks, watching whatever YouTube clips yankz has posted. =)

You're very right about kids being the best of times and the worst of times (the same can also be said for marriage ;). The other thing about kids is that, even when the Yanks lose, in the most frustrating fashion, one smile from my daughter, and I feel OK. Maybe that's why I'm so optimistic about the Yanks' chances. My little girl won't let me get down.

In retrospect, I did the same for my dad, even when I wasn't a kid anymore. I'd always tell him not to worry, and never to give up, the Yanks would win. I didn't even think of that comparison until now.

Thanks, weeping, for giving me something else to smile about. Good night, all.

2007-05-26 20:14:48
175.   ric

thats my favorite book. could you imagine sweating baseball standings in that life time? baseball should just be the gravy...

2007-05-26 20:39:03
176.   weeping for brunnhilde
174 Beautiful.

Goodnight to you too.


2007-05-26 21:48:48
177.   yankz
Guys, there is some really sloppy comment-linkage going down around here. Chyll getting credit for my posts?!

I kid. Here's a really cool video about "The Story of the Curveball" (the best part is the snooty-voiced guy they get to play prez of Harvard).

2007-05-26 22:22:41
178.   yankz
E$*# headline: "Angels jump on Wang early, stop fading Yanks"

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