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Yanks look to gain another game on the Sox tonight as Moose gets the start vs. Julian Tavarez. C'mon fellas, whatta ya say? Three-in-a-row would be lovely.
On an unrelated note, I tried to bring up the really rare calls the umps have made against the Yanks in an earlier thread, but the discussion went in another direction. Anyone have any thoughts to MCI's HBP that wasn't, and the "free" ball given to the Sox batter (I don't recall who) when Wang went to his mouth accidentally to fix his fingernail? Even though these are the rules as written, I can't ever recall them being called that way in any game, not to mention against the Yanks. What's on tap for tonight, an appeal on a sac fly where the runner is ruled to have left early?
When Wang pitched himself out of trouble I turned and noted to my wife that Wang was throwing a ton of sliders. "That's surprising." No great insight, but nice to see that I have become a more observant and knowledgeable fan thanks to the Banter and other good blogs.
Actually, both paragraphs are about awesome facts.
West worked the Cubs/White Sox series, and followed Cliff Floyd back to the dugout after he struck out looking, and then tossed Floyd. Bob Brenly pointed out that West sort of instigated the confrontation.
West was the guy who called Wang last night.
I wonder if this is the solution to the question that many of us have had about the Wanger. That is, his minor league stats mirror his major league stats almost exactly, with the exception of strikeouts. He's avging 3.3 k/9 in the show vs 7 per 9 in the minors.
Last night he got 5 in 6 ip, and the slider seemed to be his k pitch.
Did he just use the slider more in the minors, and did this acct for the increased k's?
The one he was throwing last night was nifty. I remember tho in his first season and last season he hung it often when he did go to it. Perhaps this was why he almost exclusively has used the sinker in the majors.
If he can work the slider in as a k pitch and get back to striking out 7 or even 8 batters per 9ip, he'll really be a beast.
(I had to say it. I'm also wearing the same clothes from yesterday. TMI?)
2 Minky's HBP, I think we got screwed.
13 Exactly. Recently someone posted a link to a youtube of a young Joe cussing out some umps. When I saw it I thought, Who IS that guy???
The HBP was a joke -- I could understand it if it was the arm or torso, but no one wants to get nailed on the knee. Still, this might be karmic payback for Jeffrey Maier.
OT: The NY Post and ESPN are reporting the Angels are interested in Giambi.
Wang admitted he is gaining confidence in his other pitches this year and last night he went to them more regularly than ever before. Of the 114 pitches he threw last night, he said "20-something were sliders" and "about 10" were changeups.
"This was the most sliders in one game," Wang said. He added he was not sure how much he will use the off-speed pitch in the future. "It depends on the opponent and if the sinker is working, you have to stick with it," he said.
I'm not sure if I'm entirely happy with the last statement, it shows Wang hasn't quite grasped the importance of adding another plus quality pitch to his arsenal. I'm hoping Guidry and Posada keep pounding last night's success into his head.
It still seems wrong to me for Yankee games to be on WOR, and Mets games on WPIX. 'T'ain't right.
I was actually thinking Wamg, Roger, Wang, Roger :)
30 Unfortunately, you are right. I remember when the Red Sox could barely hit him as he out pitched Pedro on a regular basis.
31 Is that realistic? Really? Torre is going to send the Mike Mussina to the bullpen?
What's worse, is that it is painful to watch. He tries to be too perfect, relying on the same old stuff. It notices how incredible Maddux and Moyer have been. But unlike Moyer and Maddux, Mussina refuses to change his approach in game. He just keeps plugging along with the same old strategy.
(Sorry for forgetting about Pettite above)
Oh, I didn't notice that there are no outs. He only sends in the pinch runner with two out.
But I'm no Dear Abby, so who knows...
Baseball Prospectus -- er, no Suzy he may be hitting well, but he's fielding at an 87 RATE, well below avg and well below his stellar career RATe of 108
Er, scratch that, call them up right now.
Okay, now we need an Abreu walk, and a Giambi Bombi.
Meanwhile, tough 1st ip for Joba the Hut against Jupiter -- 3h, 1bb, 2 er -- but he's been stellar since, only giving up 1 hit and 1 walk, striking out 6
Hit it to the right side please, Doug Out.
Walking DougOut? Maybe Tvz is coming apart...
He's so clutch right now.
Now get a pair of runs.
We should have played one practice inning first.
Jorgie's hitting .440 from the right side.
I think this is what I had in mind; they need to convince me they can scratch out a couple of runs here without a homer and I'll be a happy man.
157 I think you want a pitcher you can hit hard. No? That was Tavarez. Now it's gonna have to be Lopez, and I'm not confident we can hit him hard.
Also, I mentioned earlier in the year, but Posada's throwing has regressed significantly. He should have thrown out Crisp.
178 A hard hit, one hopper to his backhand? Butchered? That was not an easy play.
171 It was VERY close and I think he was safe. The replay (NESN) looked like he had his hand in when he was tagged.
I don't know what to do with our $16m auto-out. Abreu is killing us no matter where he bats in the lineup. Has he had an RBI in the last month? 15 day DL him and bring up KT? At this point, especially considering defense, KT gives us a better chance.
Tough call for Torre. Maybe the Angels will take Abreu for Figgens and cash.
194 And Cairo plays shortstop, right? We should have a Bizarro team.
Kay is making a great point. Hindsight is 20/20, but the Yankees really miss Sheffield. I was happy with the trade, but Sheffield is exactly what this team needs. A right slugger whom you can plant in the 3-hole.
Abreu will be better. He'll get on base a lot. He just didn't do it today.
I agree with some of the guys that have written on here who say they'd like to see a Yankee get fired up. I know that's not Torre's bag, but someone needs to get these guys pumped up.
Two more runs for the Yanks and it's a tie game when you take the bad SB call away.
I think I'll tune out. I don't like the way this banter is bantering.
I think I may be giving up on game threads.
Yay this game!
Maybe tomorrow we can do it AGAIN and be 11.5 out!
At least getting drunk feels nice after a while.
223 Come back another day, claybeez. This is a particularly depressive crowd.
I'm out, see youse tomorrow.
Also, the thinnest of silver linings? They didn't burn out the bullpen. Moose sucked, but at least he gave them 6.2 innings...(.2 too many?)
I loved coming here. I think Alex and Cliff need to check back in more often and steer this board back towards more enlightened banter.
Without a doubt refers to this loss being another low point in the season, preventing the team from rising in the standing. I stand by that.
go pettitte! let's destroy scurt manana...
Why do MattPatt and Williamnyy23 remind me of the Bill Paxton character...?
the old back push hustle.... cough*bushleague*cough
I further assume the character died.
his posture during his slide would probably call for a different photoshop such as pushing a baby carriage or something
im not hanging out anywhere.. im sitting in my living room with a laptop just like you.
Of 270 entres, you two have about 70 of them.
You have basically done 2 things.
1) Remind us that the Yankees suck
2) Defend yourselves because people are reacting negatively to your presense here.
The 2 of you are chasing people away. Many have expressed that sentiment here, many others will just quietly leave.
You are much more interesed in voicing your opinions, or should I say reality? then in listening to others and trying to be a contributing part of this community.
You are hurting this blog and the great efforts Alex and Cliff have put into building this community.
Now please, write some intelligent, defensive retort to this comment, and certainly don't think about what I've said.
I'm upset by this loss and the season so far, but my God, 277 OldYanksFan nails it.
Pettitte tomorrow. LET'S GO YANKS!
I assume it would be "Go Johnny! Get a hit!"
If offering your honest opinion is hurting a blog, then that doesn't speak well for the participants. If you read my posts, I do not disparage others. Instead, I simply point out "negative" aspects about a poor performance. If this community can only tolerate positive thoughts, then I don't really want to be a part of it. There are more than enough posters who seem quite capable of dealing with diverse opinions. When that stops being the case, I'll bow out.
I'm sorry you don't like my presence. To be honest, I don't really enjoy the presence of several members as well. Instead of disparaging them, I simply ignore their comments. I don't feel the need to pontificate about what is a good opinion and sincerely wish you would refrain from doing the same.
Let's hope the hitters support Andy tomorrow night for once, get the deficit back under 10 games, and we take care of the BoSox in the next series at Fenway.
I don't recall him spraying the ball this a couple of years ago.
He's really a good hitter, hard to catch off-balance, has some very effective defensive swings.
Melky and Cano both had good at-bats in the ninth.
In fact, it's just this sort of at-bat that gives so much faith in Melky. That was a tough at-bat in a very tough situation, coming off the bench against a guy like Paplebon. He struck out, but not without a fight. He just got beat, no shame in that.
Cano interestingly swung at ball four high yet laid off a much tougher pitch low for ball four. That was a good at-bat. If he can learn to lay off that high pitch as well, we might be in business.
Also, the team did put up a fight, but I think it all came down to the bottom of the seventh.
AFter they put up those runs, Giambi went up there and hit a fairly weak tapper to first on a 3-1 pitch.
What the hell was he doing? That's a poor at-bat. If you're going to swing 3-1 in that spot you damned well better make good contact.
And then Robbie swinging at the first pitch, not good. Not good. I forget who the third out was (Phelps?) but the inning was a disgrace. They needed to make Boston work at least, to try to grind out something.
It was as if they'd lost focus or were just deflated by the top of the inning.
For this team to start to perform better they're going to need to put up quality at-bats each and every time they step up to the plate.
Boston, meanwhile, hit the ball the other way and up the middle with two outs.
We need to take a page out of their book.
Oh, and one last thing to be positive about--Moose pitched his ass off. He kept us in the game despite a poor performance. Since I don't expect an A-type performance from him anymore, I think it's fair to say he did his job.
It's time for the bats to hit the baseball.
They need to win without the homerun, to remember how to hit singles.
All the "nice signs" needed to lead to something a week and a half ago.
OldYanksFan is right, I feel. Whatever my opinion is worth.
And Moose totally pitched great considering the Manny homer. If only that ump hadnt blown that CS call....
Then again, yesterday Wang got a pitcher's pitch to get Youkilis, and Posada was out tonight on that DP ball (of which A-Rod was out of line, and got credit over Pedroia's rookieness). I guess the blown calls are a part of the game. Which is why Jeter should not have been taking with 2 strikes and Papeljerk's mechanics all out of wack. Check out the HardBallTimes article on Papeljerk and a possible injury. Watching him lately makes me think it may be true.
I'm still watching him like a hawk for improvement because I really like him and that at-bat reminded me why, is all.
I'm rooting for him.
I don't know, I don't think I'm looking for "nice signs" so much as "quality baseball," or things to build upon.
I'm not forecasting anything, just observing.
That was maybe the worst at-bat I've seen from him all year.
There's absolutely no excuse for him not to be protecting there.
I mean, I think it's fair to say that was clearly too close to take after the previous strike. He should have been looking to drive that pitch the other way, or at least to ward it off and wait for a better one.
But that's fine, he's entitled to a bad at-bat now and again, he's obviously doing his part, like when he led off the 8th with that single up the middle.
If more guys just tried to go up the middle and opposite field I really think we'd be seeing much better results.
From your post, and your repeated use of the haha-larious "Papeljerk" I assume you think the blog should be filled with "Red Sux sux! M I Rite? Come on Dougie! I no u can get a hit one of these times! Hit a HR!"
Or maybe "If the Yankees would have just hit the ball every so often, we'd be 25-18! No need to panic!"
A follow up question. If the team continues to play like this, at one point is it no longer negative to say this team needs a miracle to make the playoffs? Another week? two? Three?
You say it's a little extreme, and you may be right. It's just my observations.
You're right, sometimes they do pull those pitches with authority, but they usually don't.
It's not about forgetting how to hit, it's about giving yourself the best chance to get a hit with each at-bat. Trying to pull that outside pitch doesn't appear to be the best way to maximize one's chances for success.
If you watched Boston tonight, you'll have noticed how often they just hit the ball where it was pitched. Youklis and Ortiz both did masterful jobs of that and in my humble opinion, the ability to do that with consistency is the difference between a winning team and a losing one.
At least, it seems to be a major factor.
And I still believe Arod shouldn't be swinging through fat fastballs.
Of course it's harder than it looks, but I don't think that's the issue.
Arod swung through that pitch because he refused to shorten his swing.
Sometimes I actually do see Matsui take that outside pitch the other way, which is why it puzzles me that he doesn't do it more often.
In some situations it pays to gamble on hitting a double or a homerun, in others, it's best to pass the baton, as it were, to play pepper and keep the inning going.
Frankly I don't think stressing fundamentals can be extreme, I mean, they're fundamentals, not special super powers I'm looking for.
Anyway, your point is taken.
You complain about the site and then say Papeljerk like you're 12.
As far as the injury, 94 and no one stood a chance. Did you actually watch the game?
Regarding the injuries that have befallen the Yankees pitching prospects and designated fifth starters du jour, did you not think there would eventually be karmic payback for Small and Chacon? George may be able to torch $200M on "talent," but apparently the devil cannot be bought.
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