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The Boston Red Sox
2007-05-21 11:15
by Cliff Corcoran
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The Red Sox have lost five games in May. Five. That's it. Five games.

On May 1, they turned a 4-2 ninth-inning lead into a 5-4 ten-inning loss when Jonathan Papelbon blew his first save of the year against the A's. They lost a 2-1 contest to Johan Santana and the Twins on the fifth (a game started by Julian Tavarez, incidentally). Tavarez lost again to the Orioles in his next start by a 6-3 final. Justin Verlander and the Tigers beat Tim Wakefield 7-2 on the fifteenth. Most recently, the Braves and John Smoltz took advantage of a spot start by rookie Devern Hansack to dropped a 14-0 beating on Boston.

That 2-1 loss to Santana and the Twins remains Boston's only road loss of the month.

The Red Sox have won 14 games in May. They have the best record in baseball, the biggest division lead in baseball (10.5 games over the O's and Yankees), their Pythagorean record matches their overall record, they're winning at home, on the road, against lefties, righties, against the AL, against the NL, against the East, Central, and West, in one-run games, and in blowouts. They have the third-best pitching staff in baseball (behind the pitchers park-assisted Padres and A's) and the third best offense in baseball (now tied with the Yankees behind the Indians and surging Tigers). Quite simply, they are the best team in baseball, and they're for real.

Thus far the Red Sox's only significant injury concern has been a reoccurrence of Josh Beckett's blister problems that has landed him on the 15-day DL. That might slow the Sox down in the near future (Hansack's loss on Saturday came in place of Beckett), but it won't stop them. Lefty Kason Gabbard, who posted a 3.51 ERA in 25 2/3 innings for the Sox last year, started yesterday and handed Tim Hudson just his second loss of the year. He could return to the roster when Beckett's spot comes due again. Then again, thanks to a scheduled off-day, Beckett will be eligible to return himself when the Red Sox next need a fifth starter, which means the primary impact of his injury could be simply Hansack's one loss and a couple of extra starts by Julian Tavarez, who otherwise would have been the starter getting skipped.

Incidentally, Gabbard started yesterday because the Sox are going for the jugular in the Bronx. Gabbard's spot start (he's already back in triple-A) allowed the Sox to start Tim Wakefield tonight against Chien-Ming Wang in a fantastic matchup of specialty pitchers, each of whom lost their previous outing against tonight's opponent in April.

The good news for the Yankees is that they have their Big Three starters going in this series (Wang, Mussina, Pettitte), and that Bobby Abreu and Alex Rodriguez showed some signs of life in the final two games at Shea. Abreu collected three hits, including a double, and three walks in those two games and made some hard outs in last night's contest, while Rodriguez picked up three hits and a walk of his own, two of those hits being home runs.

Oh, and Robinson Cano takes a five-game hitting streak into tonight's game. This is only Cano's second full season, but his trend thus far seems to be slow starts. He's a .249/.272/.360 hitter in May in his young career (he's hitting a very similar .241/.278/.342 overall this year), but those numbers jump to .350/.383/.541 in June (which is just ten days away). Here's hoping the trend holds.

The bad news is Mariano Rivera's continued struggles. Mo worked the ninth last night and gave up a home run to Damian Easley, the third home run he's allowed this year, two of them coming off the bats of Easley and Marco Scutaro. Mo hasn't allowed more than three home runs in a season since 2001 and hasn't allowed more than five in a season since he was a 25-year-old starting pitcher in 1995. Mo has allowed 11 earned runs this year. He hasn't allowed 20 since 2001 and hasn't allowed more than 25 since 1995. I'll be honest. For the first time in a decade, I can't say I'm comfortable with the idea of handing Mo a one-run lead in the ninth inning, and that's far more disconcerting than the 10.5 game deficit the Yankees take into this series.

Boston Red Sox

2007 Record: 30-13 (.698)
2007 Pythagorean Record: 30-13 (.689)

Manager: Terry Francona
General Manager: Theo Epstein

Home Ballpark (2007 Park Factors): Fenway Park (102/101)

Who's Replaced Whom?

Manny Delcarmen replaced Josh Beckett (DL)
Javier Lopez replaced Mike Timlin (DL)

25-man Roster:

1B – Kevin Youkilis (R)
2B – Dustin Pedroia (R)
SS – Julio Lugo (R)
3B – Mike Lowell (R)
C – Jason Varitek (S)
RF – J. D. Drew (L)
CF – Coco Crisp (S)
LF – Manny Ramirez (R)
DH – David Ortiz (L)


L – Eric Hinske (UT)
L – Alex Cora (IF)
R – Wily Mo Peña (OF)
R – Doug Mirabelli (C)


R – Daisuke Matsuzaka
R – Tim Wakefield
R – Curt Schilling
R – Julian Tavarez


R – Jonathan Papelbon
R – Brendan Donnelly
L – J. C. Romero
L – Hideki Okajima
R – Joel Pineiro
R – Kyle Snyder
L - Javier Lopez
R - Manny Delcarmen

15-day DL: R – Josh Beckett, R – Mike Timlin, R – Jon Lester, R – Matt Clement


R – Julio Lugo (SS)
R – Kevin Youkilis (1B)
L – David Ortiz (DH)
R – Manny Ramirez (RF)
L – J. D. Drew (RF)
R – Mike Lowell (3B)
S – Jason Varitek (C)
S – Coco Crisp (CF)
R – Dustin Pedroia (2B)

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2007-05-21 12:34:43
1.   yankz
Thanks for dropping that anvil, Cliff. Now I can say that I hope we don't see Mo tonight after his 30ish pitch inning last night.

In other words, about 19 runs should do, offense.

2007-05-21 12:59:56
2.   Shaun P
So, how likely is it that the Sox keep this pace up?

I ask, because I've seen (and read) a few articles about how the Yanks are going to have a tough time making the playoffs, or winning the division, or whatever, because of their poor start.

I've seen (and read) no articles asking the historical question from the Red Sox's purview.

So, here's my own contribution.

From a historical perspective, the number of teams that played .698 ball (113-49) or better for an entire season is pretty low.

In fact, my count is 11 teams who played .698 ball or better (since Serious play began in 1903*): the 1906 Cubs, the 1907 Cubs, the '09 Pirates, the '27 Yanks, the '31 A's, the '32 Yanks, the '39 Yanks, the '54 Indians, the '95 Indians, the '98 Yanks, and the 2001 Mariners.

*The 1902 Pirates and a bunch of teams from the 1800s would otherwise be on the list as well.

FWIW, six of those 11 teams won the Serious: the 1907 Cubbies, the '09 Pirates, the '27 Yanks, the '32 Yanks, the '39 Yanks, and our beloved '98 Yanks.

So, to answer my question, it seems not very likely that the Sox will keep it up - but it is possible.

2007-05-21 13:04:15
3.   jkay
Crains says the Metro North stop at Yankee Stadium is a done deal......

Yankee stadium station gets Metro-North nod

By: Catherine Tymkiw
Published: May 21, 2007 - 11:40 am

Plans to build a new Metro-North station at the new Yankee stadium crossed the final hurdle after the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's Metro-North Railroad committee inked a definitive deal with the city.

Under the agreement, the MTA will foot $52 million of the $91 million project. The city will contribute the remaining $39 million for the new station, which is expected to handle up to 10,000 people during Yankee home games.

2007-05-21 13:08:09
4.   Cliff Corcoran
2 The Sox won't win 113 games, but they could win 105 or more rather easily. I really think it all depends on their starting pitching holding up, but they should have Lester around to fill in soon, and Gabbard, as I wrote, has looked good in his opportunities. Other than the ever-present possibility of a major injury, I don't see too much regression happening here. Wakefield's due for some correction, but then it's not beyond him to defy the odds for a full season. Meanwhile, Manny, Drew and Crisp all have room to get significanly better.
2007-05-21 13:30:41
5.   Dimelo
Cliff, How did the winning % change with the Pythagorean record versus the actual?

2007 Record: 30-13 (.698)
2007 Pythagorean Record: 30-13 (.689)

Just making sure it was a typo and not something I'm missing.

2007-05-21 13:32:46
6.   Jersey
This thread is already scary, five posts in.

Keep the faith!

2007-05-21 13:36:59
7.   Cliff Corcoran
5 The Pythagorean equation spits out a winning percentage (.689). When you multiply that by the number of games played you often get a fraction (in this case 29.627 wins). I debated listing their Pythagorean record as 29.5-13.5, but that's an eyesore, opted instead to round it, which results in 30-13.
2007-05-21 13:39:53
8.   Yankers
Hi Cliff,

It's all a hard pill to swallow, but you do speak the truth. A truth that the Yankee fans have to start accepting. It was a great run! 12 years (and that's the last 7 without even winning anything), but unfortunately the Sox are not only playing good, no, sorry GREAT baseball, but they have torn a page from the Yankees way of playing ball: Going out at any expense and building a superstar team. Unfortunately, not only did they tear that page, but they're actually doing it better than than their rivals. It looks like Boston's not going to take it anymore, finishing second every year! Yankee Fans can kiss away their past (we'll always have great memories) and the last few years of dominance (accept 2004 and THE BIG CHOKE) in the American League, because it's all over for the Yankees. Now their fans will have to start being a little bit more civilized and accept tha fact that there will now be a race every year to win the division and it's just not going to be mailed to them automatically every year! If you have an over-paid bunch of old guys playing for you, you're not automatically going to win the division (or the wildcard for that fact)!!!!!

2007-05-21 13:40:32
9.   williamnyy23
I think the Yankees chances lie more with their ability to turn things around. There are really two concurrent questions to ask: Will the Yankees start playing better? and Even if they do, can they catch the leaders?

Basically, I think the Yankees may not be able to win the division even if they start playing up to what we all expected. That's not because I think the Red Sox will maintain their torrid start, but because 10.5 games is a huge hole.

As far as the wild card is concerned, I think the Yankees WILL make the playoffs if they start playing better. I don't think the 8 game hole to Detroit/Cleveland (I dismiss all other contenders) is too great.

One other point, with Clemens, Pettitte, Wang and a rested Hughes, the Yankees could be VERY DANGEROUS if they can make the post season. Over the past few years, the Yanks have been a lock to make it, but suspect once they get there.

Also, along the same lines, I think the Sox are built much more for the regular season than the playoffs. I wouldn't be suprised to see a long season take its toll on Schilling and Dice-K. I also could see Beckett hampered by the effects of the "blister" and Wakefield correcting in a big way. On offense, Drew has upside, but this might be how he'll perform as he adjusts to the AL and Boston. Also, while Manny should do better, he is getting older and has to regress at some point. Coming off a season with nagging injuries, maybe he'll be similarly hampered this year? Also, Lowell has been a HUGE contributor and he should revert to his normal second half tail off. Finally, the Sox bullpen has already started to crack. If Okajima returns to Earth, that could pose a problem as well.

I think you can easily make the argument that the Yankees will be better than the Red Sox from this point forward. What I can't do yet is build an argument for their being 11 games better.

2007-05-21 13:51:40
10.   pistolpete
Well I don't know about everyone else, but Cliff's post just made me throw up a little in my mouth...


2007-05-21 13:57:38
11.   Shaun P
4 All great points, Cliff. My hope is that the Sox somehow falter and the Yanks end up on top! I don't expect it, but I can hope.

9 "What I can't do yet is build an argument for their being 11 games better."

I think you're on to something williamnyy23. If the Sox's pitching suffers any significant injuries, especially if they overlap, that might be the chance the Yanks need.

Admittedly this is a slim piece of rope (thread?) on which to hang the Yanks' chances at winning the division. But I could imagine it.

2007-05-21 14:07:02
12.   3rd gen yankee fan
Curse of the Gimpy Crow!!!!!
2007-05-21 14:23:09
13.   Bama Yankee
12 Good call, anyone got a large group of gimpy crows we can release at Fenway Park? BTW, isn't a group of crows called a "murder" of crows? Anyway, who knows where we can find a murder of crows (heck, we could even try sending Sheryl Crow, Russell Crowe or the Black Crowes for that matter)?
2007-05-21 14:34:46
14.   AbbyNormal821
13 you forgot the Counting Crows...either way - that's a whoooooole lotta bird sh*t!


2007-05-21 14:39:39
15.   Bama Yankee
14 ROFL. You're right... and with only one square of toilet paper it's gonna be a mess to clean up. ;-)
2007-05-21 14:40:09
16.   ric
"Also, along the same lines, I think the Sox are built much more for the regular season than the playoffs. I wouldn't be suprised to see a long season take its toll on Schilling and Dice-K. "

good post but i dont understand this part... why would the long season toll hardest on these two opposed to other starters on the sox or the yanks? sure schilling is one year older but he's not known to have extremely crappy second halves and he always throws alot of innings. and daisukes transition from japenese baseball is well chronicled in terms of 6 man rotation etc, but he still through like 180 innings. besides, hes crazy with his throwing and id argue that hes conditioned to go longer than anyone else rather than get tired.

2007-05-21 15:02:26
17.   williamnyy23
16 Dice-K is likely going to throw more innings than he has ever thrown. In addition, I'd venture to guess that he'll also throw exponentially more pitches. What's more, all the adjustments he has/will make throughout the year could very well take an added toll. I don't think you can dismiss the difficulty of the transition and burden of the increased workload.

At age 40, any pitcher would be a candidate for a late season decline. Schilling, however, is probably a better candidate because he isn't exactly in the best shape ever. His 2006 second half numbers were significantly worse than his first half, so I see no reason why that wont happen again.

The reason I mentioned those two is because they will be key to the Red Sox in September/October. If Beckett doesn't suffer from a reoccuring blister, he is young and strong and should hold up. Wakefield is, well, Wakefield, while Tavarez/Lester can't really be expected to contribute much late in the year. In other words, the Sox NEED a strong Schilling and Dice-K for the whole year, and I think that is a serious question mark.

2007-05-21 15:10:48
18.   Schteeve
I would like to personally thank all of the commenters at Bronx Banter for not being the commenters at Pete Abe's blog.

Good God.

2007-05-21 15:17:40
19.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I think the Sawx will tale off significantly in the 2nd 1/2 this season as they did last, tho they're definitely a better team thanks to Nancy, Lugo, and Dice than they were last year.

I think Becks, Schilling and Wake will all miss significant time, and I'm not sold on either Gabs or Lester replacing them well. Sure, Gabs has a low era in the majors, but he like Lester had pretty poor peripherals -- they both put a ton of guys on. That caught up to lester towards the end of his season last year, and it'll catch up to Gabs too.

2007-05-21 15:36:44
20.   unpopster
9 I posted this in the previous thread but I thought that, considering the topic here, I'd repost:

On this exact date last year (5/21/06), the Minnesota Twins were 19-25 and 10.5 games out of first place in what was arguably the toughest division in MLB (Detroit/Chisox/Cleveland).


The Twins ended the 2006 season with a 96-66 record and an AL Central Division crown!

If there was ever a collection of talent that could repeat such a magnificent stretch, it's this particle team of Yankees. With a 5-man rotation of Clemens, Wang, Mussina, Pettitte, and Hughes and a healthy lineup, this 2007 Yankee team can do it.

Now, it could all be a moot point if the Sox continue to play this well but I don't think the Wild Card is out of the question.

2007-05-21 15:50:09
21.   cult of basebaal
18 yeah, the mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging crowd over there is just too much, BB has got to be about the most civilized place on the Interwebs to have a Yankees conversation (now that no one uses the BTF game chatters anymore)
2007-05-21 15:52:41
22.   cult of basebaal
i sure hope this week turns out to be a good one ... off for a week and a half after i leave work tonite ... and 5 of the next 6 yankees games on tv for me (2x espn and then the angels series on fox sports west out here in so cal)

i'd sure like to see at least 4 wins against my 2 least favorite teams in the AL

2007-05-21 15:57:20
23.   Mattpat11
Jusice says they need a sweep. I agree. 2 of 3 doesn't cut it.
2007-05-21 15:59:09
24.   SF Yanks
I don't know what it was about last night's game, but I saw something there that screamed "turn around period." Maybe the bloop by Damon, maybe the Jete homer. I don't know, but I have a different feeling now than I have the entire season. Anyone else feeling this way? Lets hope this feeling continues.
2007-05-21 16:00:20
25.   weeping for brunnhilde
I said to the wife today, in a fit of irrational exuberance, "Wouldn't it be great if we swept?"

She laughed.

But it would be great, right?

A guy can dream...

2007-05-21 16:01:51
26.   Mattpat11
24 The last three innings of Saturdays game were very encouraging as well.
2007-05-21 16:02:53
27.   weeping for brunnhilde
24 Kind of sort of, yes.

I wouldn't say a different feeling about the season, since I've not yet given up on the season, but yes, regarding the baseball the boys have played the past two games I'll say this, "I have to admit it's getting better...It can't get no worse."

Robbie needs to focus in the field. He's got that Sori thing going where he makes amazing plays and flubs routine ones.


2007-05-21 16:08:10
28.   Mattpat11
27 He reminds me alot more of Manny in the field. (I also don't think Manny is as bad as people say he is)

Cano gets very lazy out there.

2007-05-21 16:08:50
29.   cult of basebaal
a sweep would be nice, but i'd be very satisfied with 2 of 3, given how much we've struggled and hot the sox have been

these next couple of series are all about reversing momentum and stopping the slide away from the teams we're going to have to chase down

2007-05-21 16:11:41
30.   Mattpat11
29 2 out of three leaves us nine out. We need to start making up ground. If the Red Sox can sweep us, we damn well better be able to do the same at some point.
2007-05-21 16:13:27
31.   Mattpat11
Oh jesus. 10 for 16 against Wang.
2007-05-21 16:14:23
32.   mehmattski
30I really think the leaderboard watching is insane. It's May; the only standings that matter are the ones at the end of the day on October 3. In the meantime, play the best baseball they possibly can, reverse the trend of underachieving their Pythagorean record, and after the next 42 games, we could be watching a team that's 10 games over .500. Two of three would be very encouraging.
2007-05-21 16:18:17
33.   Mattpat11
32 I'm so sick of hearing about the Yankees Pythagorean record. Its of no consolation to me that the Yankees can win blowout games and boost their runs scored total.
2007-05-21 16:18:19
34.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice job, Chien-Ming.

Way to wriggle out.

2007-05-21 16:18:55
35.   RIYank

That was actually an okay inning, though I certainly would have preferred fewer pitches. I think this will be one of those games where the sinker improves as Wanger's arm gets just a little bit tired.

2007-05-21 16:20:06
36.   RIYank
33 Mattpat11, the point of the Pyth record is that it is a better predictor than current record. So maybe it should make you feel a little better.
I mean, obviously, what makes us all feel not-better is the actual record.
2007-05-21 16:23:42
37.   rbj
Good, Johnny. Yanks should run on a knuckleballer.
2007-05-21 16:24:12
38.   mehmattski
33 By my count, the Yankees have won just three blowouts: 10-1 at Minnesota, 10-3 over Cleveland, and 10-1 at Texas. There are also three games of 8-1 or 9-2. On the flipside, the Yanks have lost 14-2, 10-7, and 15-11. It's not the offense (3rd in ML RS/G), it's the pitching (26th). And the pitching is going to get much, much better in the next month.

The biggest explanation for the discrepancy of the Pythagorean Record is being 2-8 in one-run games. You can thank Mariano Rivera for that.

2007-05-21 16:24:26
39.   Mattpat11
36 Does it ever come all that close? The Yankees seem to outperform it by five or six games every year.
2007-05-21 16:25:33
40.   weeping for brunnhilde
Why did Matsui try to pull that pitch?
2007-05-21 16:26:02
41.   RIYank
2007-05-21 16:26:12
42.   rbj
Yay, A-Rod!
2007-05-21 16:26:40
43.   seamus
yeah rod is back!
2007-05-21 16:26:56
44.   3rd gen yankee fan


2007-05-21 16:27:10
45.   Zack
I would like to take full credit for that one as I just tuned in! A-Rod my man!
2007-05-21 16:28:16
46.   RIYank
39 Wow, do they really outperform it that much?

I remember reading Bill James on this once. He suggested, tentatively, that very regular under-performance or over-performance against Pythagorean record might be attributed to managing. Which would mean (improbably) that Torre gets credit. I think Mehmattski has the better theory, though. Good closer means you win more close games.

2007-05-21 16:28:51
47.   Mattpat11
43 Just when he needs to be.
2007-05-21 16:29:25
48.   bartap74
That's 3 in 3 games, right? Video game ARod seems to be back!
2007-05-21 16:29:38
49.   weeping for brunnhilde
Nice job, Alex. Keep 'em coming.
2007-05-21 16:29:43
50.   seamus
47 what would you expect from clutch-rod? :)
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2007-05-21 16:29:47
51.   RIYank
40 Weeping, apparently lefties very generally pull Wakefield. I have no idea why. But look at that shift! Matsui couldn't bunt down the third base line???
2007-05-21 16:30:28
52.   mehmattski
39 The average discrepancy for teams since 1900 is four games. The Yankees recent history:

2006: +2
2005: +5
2004: +12
2003: +5
2002: +7

I really think the biggest explanation is performance in close games; having the best closer of all time helps with that a little bit. From 2003-2005, the Yankees had a .667 winning percentage in one run games, and it sunk to .510 in 2006. This year they are 2-8.

2007-05-21 16:30:43
53.   RIYank
48 Sure is.
I'll look forward to seeing a recap of his three-in-three on SportsCenter.


2007-05-21 16:31:41
54.   Mattpat11
46 Last year they were two games better. The year before 5. The year before, 12. Before that, its 5, 4, 6, 2, 2, 6, 4 under, and 4,
2007-05-21 16:32:35
55.   RIYank
52 Wait, the average discrepancy is PLUS four games??? That's impossible, isn't it? Or do you mean, plus or minus four games?
This is interesting. There must be some good geeky articles about it somewhere.

Wanger looking pretty damn good now.

2007-05-21 16:32:39
56.   weeping for brunnhilde
51 Thanks, RI. I missed the shift.

One of my major gripes about baseball coverage is that they don't fully exploit the full-field views.

Watching on tv you miss a great deal of the game in terms of outfielding.

But that's neither here nor there...

2007-05-21 16:34:11
57.   OldYanksFan
That was a long HR in the OLD stadium. 3 HRs in 4 days? I'll take it.
2007-05-21 16:34:25
58.   RIYank
Does anyone here know why lefties have so much more trouble with Wakefield?
2007-05-21 16:35:44
59.   OldYanksFan
or 3 HRs in 3 days? Hot is hot.
2007-05-21 16:35:51
60.   mehmattski
55 Yes, plus/minus four. If you have a BP subscription, search for articles by Clay Davenport. He explains some improvements to the method. What I haven't found is much regarding the discrepancy-- what makes teams outacheive or underacheive. I've seen the closer theory before, and it makes some sense, but I haven't seen any data.
2007-05-21 16:36:11
61.   rbj
Gee, who's this "Roger Clemens" guy they're talking about? I wish ESPN wouldn't talk briefly about obscure guys.
2007-05-21 16:36:49
62.   Zack
That ball to Cora was right over the plate
2007-05-21 16:37:10
63.   Mattpat11
55 The whole thing just seems about as accurate as John Kruk saying "I think the Yankees will win around 97 games this year."
2007-05-21 16:37:15
64.   RIYank
Ugh, bottom of the order on base. I hate that. Though Cora has hit well this year.
2007-05-21 16:39:24
65.   Mattpat11
2007-05-21 16:39:24
66.   Mattpat11
2007-05-21 16:39:30
67.   rbj
D'oh, Derek!
2007-05-21 16:39:57
68.   joejoejoe
Jiminy Crickets! I thought the game was an 8:05 start. I was watching C-Span.
2007-05-21 16:42:14
69.   Mattpat11
That was ball four.
2007-05-21 16:42:16
70.   mehmattski
RIYank, Matpatt11, others interested... from Bill James' Abstract, he identifies six factors "which can cause a discrepancy between expected runs. . .and actual runs scored:

1) Exceptionally poor or exceptionally good hitting with runners on base and in scoring position.

2) Baserunning errors or effective baserunning.

3) Exceptionally poor or exceptionally good lineup design.

4) An unusual number of opponent's errors.

5) Doing a particularly good or a particularly poor job of advancing runners with outs.

6) Luck, which would usually be expressed as unusual performance in one of the previous five areas."

2007-05-21 16:42:22
71.   RIYank
Wangman, whew. Belly full o' guts.
2007-05-21 16:42:57
72.   rbj
Wangster gets out of it, and a worm breathes a sigh of relief.
2007-05-21 16:43:18
73.   joejoejoe
20/10 vision but it's still strike three.
2007-05-21 16:43:19
74.   Mattpat11
70 So basically baseball is a crapshoot and the whol system is worthless.
2007-05-21 16:43:29
75.   Jersey


2007-05-21 16:43:35
76.   Zack
Wow, I am a full pitch behind all of y'all with, better refresh it I guess
2007-05-21 16:43:39
77.   weeping for brunnhilde

How about that?

We must win this baseball game now.

That was a huge break, getting that 2-2 call.

And then the K.

This is it, things are turning around!

2007-05-21 16:43:41
78.   RIYank
Mehmattski, that's a different issue. None of those things could explain difference in Pythagorean record and actual record.
2007-05-21 16:44:20
79.   3rd gen yankee fan
Hey -- good game.
2007-05-21 16:45:06
80.   Zack
I think James should have just insteda cited the Heisenberg uncertainty principle instead...
2007-05-21 16:46:14
81.   Mattpat11
77 It was a 3-1 pitch. He walked a runner in and we lucked out.
2007-05-21 16:46:16
82.   Zack
I don't think that beard is really helping Youk's appearance...
2007-05-21 16:46:28
83.   weeping for brunnhilde
60 I hate to be a killjoy and I really don't mean to pick on Alex, but I'm not convined he's hot.

I'm not sure he's locked in.

The thing with him is that his swing is so good he can still hit homeruns if he's not locked in.

Hitting that bomb off of Wakefield's first pitch was great and all, but it doesn't convince me he's locked in.

I'll be convinced when I see him not look foolish like he did a couple times striking out (both looking and swinging) the past couple of days.

2007-05-21 16:46:59
84.   Zack
81 I thought luck wasn't a factor? :)
2007-05-21 16:47:40
85.   joejoejoe
ESPN announcer apparently missed Bobby Abreu being absolutely on fire during his entire '06 stay with the Yankees. Apparently believes the '05 All-Star game is causing the '07 struggles of Abreu. Unbelievable.
2007-05-21 16:48:05
86.   rbj
Take that, commish!
2007-05-21 16:48:18
87.   RIYank
I was just saying to my son, Wake is tough for GIambi but if he hangs one...
2007-05-21 16:48:41
88.   mehmattski
So, there's a lefty pulling Wakefield...
2007-05-21 16:48:52
89.   Mattpat11
82 Would anything?
2007-05-21 16:49:03
90.   3rd gen yankee fan
Well, awesome.
2007-05-21 16:49:05
91.   Zack
I love that Giambi runs with his tounge out...
2007-05-21 16:49:07
92.   weeping for brunnhilde
81 Right, sorry, that's what I meant.
2007-05-21 16:49:43
93.   Zack
89 No, but I think the beard is making him even LESS atractive, if thats possible...
2007-05-21 16:49:45
94.   weeping for brunnhilde
91 Yeah, that is kind of endearing.
2007-05-21 16:50:42
95.   mehmattski
So, there's a lefty pulling Wakefield...
2007-05-21 16:50:56
96.   Zack
Nice attempt there Nancy, don't hurt yourself. You weren't even close...
2007-05-21 16:51:33
97.   joejoejoe
No offense to Rick Sutcliffe and irrespective of Giambi's performance but if you sign a $100 dollar contract with a manufacturer of rubber widgets to supply widgets then find out after the fact that your partner lied it doesn't make up for the fact that you didn't get your widgets as promised under the terms of the deal. That's business.
2007-05-21 16:52:11
98.   RIYank
88 Right, the Sox seem to think that lefties will always pull Wakefield.

But let me ask this again: does anyone know why lefties have so much more trouble with the knuckler?

2007-05-21 16:52:32
99.   seamus
that ERA of Wake vs. Yanks surprises me. Always feels like he dominates us.
2007-05-21 16:52:56
100.   Zack
Stinky Minky has returned to his useless form
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2007-05-21 16:53:36
101.   Zack
99 I think its the combination of owning him early on and that when hes off, hes really really off
2007-05-21 16:53:59
102.   Mattpat11
99 I think we hit him late.
2007-05-21 16:54:16
103.   seamus
101 must be because he scares me more than any other sox pitcher. at least since aaron boone left.. :)
2007-05-21 16:56:02
104.   RIYank
Sweet Jete.

Yeah, I don't like h&r, but against Wakefield it's gotta be a good play.

2007-05-21 16:56:06
105.   Simone
Jeter is hitting like crazy.
2007-05-21 16:56:22
106.   rbj
So is Derek now over .500 w/ RISP?
2007-05-21 16:56:29
107.   Zack
DJ continues his utter insanity with RISP/2outs
2007-05-21 16:58:10
108.   seamus
matsui rocked that. could have been an even bigger inning.
2007-05-21 16:58:31
109.   mehmattski
106 RISP: .500/.550/.676

With 2 outs/RISP, he's hitting .632/.682/.895

2007-05-21 16:59:43
110.   mehmattski
109 Going into this game, of course... so it's .650 batting average with 2 out/RISP now...
2007-05-21 17:00:37
111.   weeping for brunnhilde
Btw, anyone who has SNY should totally check it out between innings: they're showing the '69 Series, Baltimore and New York!
2007-05-21 17:02:23
112.   weeping for brunnhilde
99 Yeah, that surprised me too.

I think what often happens is he shuts us down for 5 or 6 and then we suddenly score in bunches to knock him out of the game.

2007-05-21 17:03:01
113.   RIYank
Yeah, .650 now RISP w 2 out. Jesus.
Small sample. Still, sick.
2007-05-21 17:03:30
114.   Zack
Man do I wish Posada held on to that
2007-05-21 17:03:59
115.   Zack
Well, nevermind :)
2007-05-21 17:04:36
116.   RIYank
Wow, half of Wang's 8 outs have been Ks. That never happens! But too many pitches, he'll go only five innings.

Uh, four out of his nine outs.

2007-05-21 17:04:36
117.   Zack
I think Manny's hair is slowing his swing down
2007-05-21 17:05:13
118.   Mattpat11
112 I think thats the deal too. Also, the ERA is somewhere in the range of three runs over five innings, which seems about right.
2007-05-21 17:06:21
119.   WeMissPaulie
These ESPN announcers are awful. So far up Boston's ass its hilarious.
2007-05-21 17:09:18
120.   RIYank
119 Which is worse: ESPN announcer, or Mirabelli's arm?
2007-05-21 17:10:09
121.   Zack
Has Jorge been doing that Tettleton thing with the bat all season?
2007-05-21 17:14:10
122.   Mattpat11
Manny's sliding attempt at a ball that was nowhere near him.
2007-05-21 17:14:26
123.   RIYank
So, I checked and lefties actually don't do much worse against Wakefield. That'll teach me to believe sportscasters.
2007-05-21 17:15:52
124.   Mattpat11
That sucked.
2007-05-21 17:16:14
125.   RIYank
Uh. Don't get that.
Well, I guess they figured they could run on the Wakefield/Belli combo.
2007-05-21 17:16:24
126.   Zack
Crud, that stunk
2007-05-21 17:16:57
127.   Zack
This game is inching along, eh?
2007-05-21 17:17:09
128.   Jersey
Why do you run there? I don't see it with Giambi at the plate.
2007-05-21 17:17:18
129.   RIYank
Man, it would be nice to have the bases loaded with one out, wouldn't it? Torre take note!
2007-05-21 17:17:43
130.   Jersey
And there's ball four. That CS sucks.
2007-05-21 17:18:26
131.   joejoejoe
119 Take this ESPN play-by-play announcer and imagine him calling the soccer World Cup, an event he prepared for by calling one or two MLS games. It would be like an announcer who doesn't follow baseball calling one or two games of the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and then thinking he was Vin Scully. As bad as Dave O'Brien is calling baseball he's exponentially worse calling soccer. I ultimately watched the games on Telemundo and I don't speak Spanish.
2007-05-21 17:18:53
132.   Zack
A-Rod would have been safe on pretty much any other pitch, they just got caught on the exact wrong pitch.

And that would have been a GIDP anyways :)

2007-05-21 17:21:00
133.   RIYank
132 Exactly, Torre's clever tactic saves Robbie from ignominy!
2007-05-21 17:22:56
134.   RIYank
So, if Wanger can strike out more than one per inning, does that make him a much better pitcher?? Sabermetrics says so (and see David Pinto's interesting post on the Yanks and Sox today). But if it means his pitch count per inning skyrockets, it might not be worth it.
2007-05-21 17:23:02
135.   rbj
Lots of Ks for Wang tonight, did PETW (people for the ethical treatment of worms) get to him?
2007-05-21 17:23:35
136.   Mattpat11
i think the five Ks may have something to do with the pitch count too.
2007-05-21 17:24:55
137.   RIYank
136 That's what I meant.
Those walks aren't helping either.
2007-05-21 17:25:46
138.   Mattpat11
137 I was actually responding to Kay's blatherings on TV.
2007-05-21 17:26:27
139.   seamus
I like Wang when he is throwing ground balls instead of Ks. That is entirely his secret to low pitch counts.
2007-05-21 17:27:13
140.   RIYank
138 Aha.
Yeah, let's go back to that ground ball thing right now. A GIDP would save pitches, too.
2007-05-21 17:27:32
141.   Zack
Haven't seen Wang miss this much before
2007-05-21 17:28:18
142.   RIYank
Better. A slightly harder ground ball would have been better.
2007-05-21 17:28:38
143.   Mattpat11
Alex Cora has 12 AB against wang?
2007-05-21 17:28:44
144.   OldYanksFan
1:34 left... will Jack save the day?
Things look pretty good in the bronx.
2007-05-21 17:29:41
145.   Zack
144 Not if wang can't find the plate and the BP has to come in
2007-05-21 17:30:03
146.   OldYanksFan
Seems like a LOT of 3 ball counts.
Wang skating on this ice?
2007-05-21 17:30:52
147.   Mattpat11
Someone needs to sit Wang down and explain to him that if he keeps at this pace, Worthless is getting in the game.
2007-05-21 17:31:13
148.   RIYank
Okay. If C-M can give us six shutout innings tonight, that's good enough. We'd probably get Villone in the seventh, huh?
2007-05-21 17:31:23
149.   Zack
We need to squeeze two more innings out of Wang. I hope Joe doesn't pull him after 5...
2007-05-21 17:32:01
150.   seamus
at this point, 5 shutout innings will keep me happy. Maybe DeSalvo is rested and can go 3 or 4?
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2007-05-21 17:32:14
151.   Zack
I'd go Bruney for the 7-8, but Joe won't do that
2007-05-21 17:32:50
152.   iicollies
78 pitches, Wang is throwing a three-hitter the hard way
2007-05-21 17:34:47
153.   Mattpat11
150 DeSalvo three innings against the Red Sox sounds like a seven walk affair.
2007-05-21 17:34:51
154.   Zack
I feel so much less confident with Villone than Henn, go figure. I think Henn has fully regressed though, hes getting hit hard in AAA too...maybe his overuse hurt his arm?
2007-05-21 17:34:57
155.   RIYank
151 Zack, I like it.
Unless we score two more runs, in which case I go with Villone.
2007-05-21 17:37:09
156.   Mattpat11
Damon slid into third awkwardly.
2007-05-21 17:37:10
157.   RIYank
This would be a good time for a passed ball.
2007-05-21 17:38:18
158.   Zack
And now Hideki is the one who looks off, oh well
2007-05-21 17:38:20
159.   seamus
153 maybe. i just want to see our pen rested. this assumes that it won't be a 7 walk outing.
2007-05-21 17:38:32
160.   RIYank
That would have been a good time for a passed ball.

ESL 101: the past tense.

2007-05-21 17:41:05
161.   RIYank
Nice, why was A-Rod playing in? Good positioning.
2007-05-21 17:41:50
162.   Zack
A-Rod had that play positioned perfectly
2007-05-21 17:43:09
163.   RIYank
What up? Wanger going to his mouth?
2007-05-21 17:43:53
164.   RIYank

That is one stupid rule.

2007-05-21 17:45:36
165.   Zack
Bad route by Hideki there...

What's up with so many Sox fans, yet again, at the stadium. I know its easier for them to get tix here than at the Fens, but still

2007-05-21 17:46:18
166.   nick
the ESPN guys think Matsui is a good outfielder--but I've seen him take disastrous routes like that many a time...
2007-05-21 17:47:43
167.   RIYank
Ooooooh. I thought they had him at second.
2007-05-21 17:47:58
168.   Mattpat11
Damn it Jete.
2007-05-21 17:48:08
169.   RIYank
Oh, Papi knocked it loose.
2007-05-21 17:48:17
170.   nick
and we miss a play at 2nd.....sigh....that one's on the captain....
2007-05-21 17:48:19
171.   Zack
Dammit DJ, not great fiedling day for you. fat Ortiz knocks the ball loose
2007-05-21 17:48:54
172.   nick
can I call the 2 run shot? it sure feels inevitable--
2007-05-21 17:49:21
173.   Zack
Well, crappy sequence there, but if the Wanger can settle down, das okay
2007-05-21 17:49:25
174.   Mattpat11
I feel this game slipping away.
2007-05-21 17:50:51
175.   seamus
174 dude. get control of yourself.
2007-05-21 17:52:02
176.   seamus
Wang has worked hard to get through five. gotta check his pitch count.
2007-05-21 17:52:04
177.   Zack
I wonder if that nail is bothering Wang, as he has gone to it a few times...

Well, not the worst result, and you HAVE to send Wang back out there for the 6th methinks

2007-05-21 17:52:36
178.   RIYank
No shutout. And 95 pitches. But good enough, esp. if we get another inning from C-M.
2007-05-21 17:52:52
179.   seamus
wanger is probably done at 95 pitches? I think he can go one more. we need it.
2007-05-21 17:54:14
180.   Mattpat11
This feels like a Farnsworth game.
2007-05-21 17:55:16
181.   RIYank
Yeah, I think Wang starts the sixth. For sure, since nobody's warming.

Look, we're about to score three runs, and Wang will pitch another goose egg, and we'll cruise home.

Geez, overshift on Posada!

2007-05-21 17:56:00
182.   nick
172 I meant Manny obviously...phew
2007-05-21 17:56:34
183.   RIYank
Sit on a Wakey "fastball", Jorgie...

Do you think when Mirabelli calls for a fastball, he puts quotation marks around his finger?

2007-05-21 17:59:03
184.   Mattpat11
Posada beat that out by alot.
2007-05-21 17:59:08
185.   Zack
Umps being stupid today
2007-05-21 17:59:50
186.   RIYank
Also, that would have been the time for a steal.
Shoot, I wanted a rally this inning, and I felt it coming, too.
2007-05-21 18:00:46
187.   RIYank
Hey, that was an unusual dp in a way: 4-5-3.
2007-05-21 18:01:55
188.   RIYank
Okay, that single makes me feel worse. Although it's good to see Abreu hitting.
Holy smokes, what an overshift. What gives? Is it impossible to bunt a knuckler??
2007-05-21 18:01:58
189.   nick
Roger Clemens will NOT bring the missing "fire" and "passion" to this team.....what an utter moron Sutcliffe is-
2007-05-21 18:05:22
190.   waitingforthecall
Abreu is still pulling off too much, but at least he's trying to go up the middle and the other way. Hope to see Jam Creator Romero soon.
2007-05-21 18:05:58
191.   RIYank
190 Soon, I believe. One more baserunner will bring him in for sure.
2007-05-21 18:06:19
192.   nick
the disembodied Erin Andrews voice is such a tease...
2007-05-21 18:06:40
193.   Zack
I'm not sure Varitek's bat is all that much better than Mirabelli's these days, hot streak included...
2007-05-21 18:06:45
194.   Mattpat11
Oh come on Kay. I watch YES to avoid the Jason Varitek dick sucking.

Has Sutcliffe declared Varitek the AL MVP yet?

2007-05-21 18:07:55
196.   Mattpat11
2007-05-21 18:08:02
197.   RIYank
Very, very, very nice. Very nice indeed.

God, I love it when Robbie's hitting.

2007-05-21 18:08:17
198.   mehmattski
See, it is possible to hit a knuckler the other way...
2007-05-21 18:08:34
199.   seamus
woo hoo!

did the sox take sliding into walls training?

2007-05-21 18:08:35
200.   Zack
2-run triple, oh Robbie!
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2007-05-21 18:08:45
201.   nick
nice job by Robby! he had to wait forever for that one--
2007-05-21 18:10:00
202.   RIYank
Remember when there really was a serious question of whether Posada or Tek was more valuable? Hee he.

So if not for the double-play... But I must not be greedy. The baseball gods don't like greed.

2007-05-21 18:10:08
203.   seamus
doug "final out" scrabble.
2007-05-21 18:10:20
204.   waitingforthecall
Cano to left center is usually a great sign for him...
2007-05-21 18:10:22
205.   Zack
I still say leave the Wanger in, then I guess villone for 7-8
2007-05-21 18:10:36
206.   mainmanmaitland
(189) I think commentators say stuff like that because it's easier than copping to the fact that the Yanks have been extremely unlucky this year.

I want someone to name me the team that thrives when they suffer injuries to 3/5 of their starting rotation and 3/5 of the pitchers they call up to replace them.....

2007-05-21 18:11:02
207.   Mattpat11
And Minky does what he's good at.
2007-05-21 18:11:34
208.   seamus
206 agreed. it is a better story and plays well into the audience of yankee haters out there.
2007-05-21 18:12:45
209.   Zack
Anyone else think we can beign the Stinky Minky watch yet again? Hes back to his expected form, that is, total suckatude at the plate
2007-05-21 18:13:03
210.   Mattpat11
206 They've had their three big pitchers for a month. The team has still been awful.

And do you really consider the Pettitte injury a huge loss? Did he even miss a start? Maybe he was pushed back a day.

2007-05-21 18:13:22
211.   nick
194 ha ha....if Posada were a beefy white guy with a goatee, he'd fit the catcher model better...remember all those debates a few years back about who was a better player?
2007-05-21 18:13:48
212.   RIYank
206 Very good point.

Good, back to worm-killing, just what the doctor ordered!

2007-05-21 18:13:57
213.   seamus
nice and quick out. two more...
2007-05-21 18:14:03
214.   Zack
Look at that, a 2 pitch GB!
2007-05-21 18:15:34
215.   seamus
210 i think he probably means Moose/Pavano/Wang (+Karstens/Hughes and now Rasner). Pavano wasn't a surprise, but combined with the other losses was lethal.
2007-05-21 18:15:43
216.   Zack
And, as always, Kay jinxs it and Crisp singles as he talks about how bad he is...
2007-05-21 18:15:55
217.   RIYank
Here we go, throw him just sinkers. Mirabelli is the perfect GIDP guy. He has to hit it hard enough to get Crisp, though.
2007-05-21 18:16:42
218.   seamus
who are yanks announcers talking about strugglign with boston?
2007-05-21 18:16:58
219.   Mattpat11
215 I think losing Pavano is a positive.
2007-05-21 18:17:11
220.   RIYank
I want the credit for that one!

Hats off to the Wanger.

2007-05-21 18:17:32
221.   Mattpat11
Six fine innings. Bruney for seven an 8. Villone for nine.
2007-05-21 18:17:53
222.   Zack
Nice! Hey, after that inning, I say Wang for 7!
2007-05-21 18:18:08
223.   RIYank
219 Losing Pavano is very similar to losing a bone spur.
2007-05-21 18:18:51
224.   Mattpat11
223 Or The Clap.
2007-05-21 18:19:23
225.   RIYank
224 Personally, I've been feeling a lot healthier since we lost him.
2007-05-21 18:20:15
226.   seamus
we got our 6th inning from the Wanger. I love it!
2007-05-21 18:20:40
227.   Mattpat11
224 And Cashman yanking him around the country from Doctor to Doctor made my day.
2007-05-21 18:20:46
228.   RIYank
This could be fun against Romero. Straighten it out, Johnny...
2007-05-21 18:21:25
229.   RIYank
227 That was fun. I was hoping for a Pakistani specialist, myself.
2007-05-21 18:21:50
230.   Zack
You all keep saying we "lost" Pavano, which we have yet to do. Perhaps we temporarily misplaced him,;but, sadly, he's still around, his lonely voice echoing through the clubhouse, his shadow lingering over the training room, the imprint of his bruised buttocks still visible in the comfy chair next to the tv...
2007-05-21 18:21:57
231.   seamus
219 losing Pavano was a positive because it contributed towards improving our rotation with guys named Clemens, Hughes, Clippard, etc..
2007-05-21 18:22:25
232.   Zack
How many pitches for Wang? I realyl think he should start the 7th
2007-05-21 18:22:58
233.   RIYank
232 104.
I'm not against it, but I really don't want to take any chance of hurting him.
2007-05-21 18:23:25
234.   seamus
will YES please stop with the behind the plate shots? please?
2007-05-21 18:23:49
235.   RIYank
How about Damon steal now? Just to get his third of the game.
2007-05-21 18:24:19
236.   Mattpat11
231 Losing Pavano was addition by subtraction. He's a poor pitcher that doesn't even give you innings with a miserable attitude.
2007-05-21 18:25:03
237.   RIYank
Hah! I was waiting for someone to say "addition by subtraction".
Oh, Johnny robbed of his third stolen base. Oh well.
2007-05-21 18:25:14
238.   seamus
236 he was often effective when he pitched. which was rarer than bloody steak.
2007-05-21 18:25:54
239.   seamus
ok. no more pavano talk. bores me.

matsui needs a hit.

2007-05-21 18:26:48
240.   nick
re the bad strike call to Jeter--finally Sutcliffe talks about pitching, something he understands, and so he's useful....they need to rethink announcing: explayers so rarely talk about the nuts and bolts of stuff they've experienced, partly because they're always prompted to spout cliches.....drives me nuts--
2007-05-21 18:27:56
241.   mainmanmaitland
Thanks, Seamus -

My point is that the commentators make it seem like the team is a bunch of loafers, that they are behind the Red Sox in the standings because they don't care about winning and need someone to light a fire under their collective asses.

Do you think that the Red Sox would be up 10 games if they had to use 11 starters to get through 1/4 of the season? Let's say Schilling, Wake and Beckett were out as long as Moose/Pavano/Wang....are they still ten games up or are they playing catch up like we are now?

2007-05-21 18:27:57
242.   seamus
240 which is their only real value in most cases too.
2007-05-21 18:28:26
243.   RIYank
You know what, I have to admire Francona for using his inning-eater here. The guy is by far their worst reliever, but why waste Okajima?

Also, I just noticed, could this be the game that Damon breaks out of his slump? 3 for 3 with a walk.

2007-05-21 18:29:16
244.   RIYank
Go to 3-0 on Alex, then turn him loose...
2007-05-21 18:29:51
245.   seamus
241 of course not. but the media is about the presentation, not reality. What is real is what they decide is real. (diatribe about Fox News)
2007-05-21 18:31:01
246.   RIYank
Ok then, go to 3-0 on Jorgie and...
2007-05-21 18:31:29
247.   Mattpat11
238 Over his career, he has two seasons where he pitched effectively. One of those seasons was 100 IP.
2007-05-21 18:32:37
248.   RIYank
Shoot. Jorgie's hitting streak on the line and Romero walks him on four pitches to load the bases. What the hell is wrong with this guy?
2007-05-21 18:32:58
249.   seamus
anyone wanna go for a WALK?
2007-05-21 18:33:11
250.   Eirias
Come on Abreu! Make them pay for ranting about what a hero Wakefield was for doing his job!
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2007-05-21 18:33:31
251.   seamus
248 he'll bat again.
2007-05-21 18:33:32
252.   nick
ok, let's bust it open here so I can digest dinner--
2007-05-21 18:34:10
253.   seamus
what is jete's hit streak at?
2007-05-21 18:35:25
254.   nick
damn--though Bobby suddenly looks like he's seeing the ball these past couple days...
2007-05-21 18:35:39
255.   RIYank
251 Unless we break it open and Nieves comes in to give him a rest.

Yeesh. Three walks and no run!

2007-05-21 18:37:34
256.   RIYank
2007-05-21 18:38:13
257.   nick
wow, pitch count? +100 after 6, no?
2007-05-21 18:38:30
258.   seamus
255 i was just thinking that after i posted that.

i can't believe wang is still out there!

2007-05-21 18:38:38
259.   Mattpat11
I like Wang still out there.
2007-05-21 18:38:43
260.   RIYank
Hm, Myers is up, not Villone.
Well, that was quick. Can he really pitch the whole inning??
2007-05-21 18:38:50
261.   nick
don't get me wrong, I'd let him throw 110, but-
2007-05-21 18:39:16
262.   seamus
259 me too. 257 pitch count - 104 or so after 6.
2007-05-21 18:39:58
263.   Mattpat11
260 If he can't, you pull him. Let him try.
2007-05-21 18:40:24
264.   Mattpat11
That was Strike 3.
2007-05-21 18:40:37
265.   Mattpat11
Never mind
2007-05-21 18:40:38
266.   RIYank
257 He started this inning at 103 or 104 yeah.
2007-05-21 18:41:32
267.   nick
ok, he's wild up, yank him please-
2007-05-21 18:41:38
268.   RIYank
I know, they're planning to bring in Myers to face Papi. Which is dumb.
2007-05-21 18:42:16
269.   3rd gen yankee fan
I think it's time to put away the Wang. :-)
2007-05-21 18:42:22
270.   Mattpat11
This should be it for him.
2007-05-21 18:43:03
271.   RIYank
Shoot. Left the Wang in a little too long. I hate it when that happens.
2007-05-21 18:43:09
272.   nick
one batter too many, as of now-
2007-05-21 18:43:31
273.   Mattpat11
272 I can't blame him though.
2007-05-21 18:44:52
274.   Yankees Brasil
Oh God, please help Myers..
2007-05-21 18:45:06
275.   Zack
Ugh, the classic Myers vs. Ortiz.
2007-05-21 18:45:59
276.   thelarmis
253 i think jete's at 16 games right now. but the big picture -- he's hit in 74 of 77 games, which is absolutely unreal. joe d. hit in 76 of 79, so cap'n needs 2 more games to tie!
2007-05-21 18:46:34
277.   RIYank
Okay, I have to admit I was sure he was going to walk Ortiz. This is better.
2007-05-21 18:46:50
278.   Mattpat11
That could have gone worse.
2007-05-21 18:47:26
279.   Mattpat11
And at least its not Proctor vs. Manny. Or Farnsworth vs anyone.
2007-05-21 18:47:28
280.   Jersey
I'll take that sac fly in a heartbeat.
2007-05-21 18:47:45
281.   waitingforthecall
Just to let you know, I didn't write it at the time because I was looking up split stats on Baseball Reference, but Wang never should have come out for the 7th. He threw 104 or so but he labored through a few innings there.

Does anyone know how to figure out two split stats? Like Mussina as a Yankee versus Boston. I'm not sure where to find that. Thanks if you can help.

2007-05-21 18:48:07
282.   nick
even when he gets Papi I think Myers is a waste of a roster space-
2007-05-21 18:48:16
283.   Zack
I dunno, if Myers is on the team basically for one guy, shouldn't he be able to get that guy out without a run? I mean, I'll take it, but as the guy's sole purpose, I expect better
2007-05-21 18:49:35
284.   joejoejoe
I used to love sidearm pitchers as a kid (Kent Tekulve, Dan Quisenberry) but Myers broke me of my affection. He's decent enough but the whole LOOGY sidearmer thing is a bee in my shorts. I want a pitcher, not a belly itcher. I want a reliever, not a roster spot eater.
2007-05-21 18:50:57
285.   waitingforthecall
283 Mike Myers didn't let Julio Lugo reach third base. That's why stats like pitcher's Wins and Saves are stupid. He got him to hit a fly ball. Good job.

Thank God it's not close enough for Torre's Farnsworth senses to start tingling. Bruney rules.

2007-05-21 18:51:08
286.   Zack
Bruney should be allowed facial hair
2007-05-21 18:51:39
287.   Zack
NIIIICE. Bruney for the 8th!
2007-05-21 18:51:56
288.   Jersey
sit down Manuel


2007-05-21 18:52:01
289.   thelarmis
286 awesome post, dude!
2007-05-21 18:53:49
290.   Jersey
286 It would be awesome if he had a big beard. He'd just be this big-necked, bearded freak with nasty stuff.
2007-05-21 18:55:35
291.   Zack
290 Awesome
2007-05-21 18:55:52
292.   RIYank
Bruney for the eighth, for sure.
So, is this a new regimen? Proctor for two one day, Bruney for two the next? I mean, Bruney for four outs, but whatev. I could get to like that pattern. Then we need a day for both of them to rest, of course!
2007-05-21 18:58:15
293.   Mattpat11

26 Games

169 2/3

68 ER

3.60 ERA

144 K

45 BB


2007-05-21 19:00:13
294.   nick
284 couldn't agree more--a LOOGY is what I hack up in the morning after a hard night-
2007-05-21 19:00:42
295.   waitingforthecall
292 You're right about the two inning thing. Unfortunately, Torre doesn't know that a guy needs a day off after pitching 2 innings. I'm almost positive that Villone pitched 2 innings Friday and Saturday and then was warming up last night. But Proctor also pitched 2 innings recently so maybe someone has told Torre that it is better to pitch multiple innings less frequently than one inning every day. But probably not.
2007-05-21 19:01:32
296.   Mattpat11
293 152 H

1.17 WHIP

2007-05-21 19:02:24
297.   waitingforthecall
281 Thank you Mattpat. Much appreciated. Can you please tell me where you found that?
2007-05-21 19:03:01
298.   Jersey
We're going to see Farnsy in the 8th aren't we? GAH
2007-05-21 19:03:32
299.   Jersey
Wait, we're in the 7th already. Nevermind.
2007-05-21 19:03:43
300.   seamus
276 btw, thanks for the info.
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2007-05-21 19:03:47
301.   Mattpat11
297 I spent about 12 minutes adding up his individual stats against Boston during each of his Yankee years.

I was interested as well.

2007-05-21 19:05:11
302.   seamus
301 lol! I thought you pulled that up automatically. I was impressed.
2007-05-21 19:05:53
303.   nick
298 please no....yes!
2007-05-21 19:05:55
304.   seamus
302 which isn't to say that I wasn't impressed with your math,
2007-05-21 19:07:22
305.   seamus
i love Bruney!
2007-05-21 19:07:29
306.   Zack
Man two Ks in a row on pitches right down the middle
2007-05-21 19:07:32
307.   nick
301 so you hold the Sox to a 3.60 ERA, and you only go 10-8 behind this offense? hmmmmm....
2007-05-21 19:09:13
308.   nick
man, Bruney: throws cheez, goes after guys--yeah, he needs a big old neck beard-
2007-05-21 19:10:44
309.   RIYank
Walking Cocoa, bad.
2007-05-21 19:11:30
310.   waitingforthecall
Well, then. Even more thanks to you for the extra effort it required. My friend said Mussina gets hammered by Boston and I said I have the opposite impression but that could be because of his playoff success and the near perfect game at Fenway. Funny that the stats say he's pretty much been the average Mike Mussina against them. Another triumph (albeit a tiny one) for statistics over subjective analysis. The human brain just can't remember completely and objectively. Sorry for the longwinded sidetrack.
2007-05-21 19:11:35
311.   Zack
No need to walk Coco there, none at all
2007-05-21 19:12:16
312.   Mattpat11
Mientkiewicz is being useless.
2007-05-21 19:12:18
313.   Zack
I like that Bruney wears Wells' old # as well, quite appropraite
2007-05-21 19:12:44
314.   RIYank
Argh. Bruney puts Cocoa and Mirabelli on base, that's not good.
Oh, cripes, what is Joe up to now???
2007-05-21 19:13:06
315.   nick
WHY take the ball from Bruney now? why?
2007-05-21 19:13:08
316.   Zack
Yeah Doug, he dropped the ball, there's no need to signal that you were safe
2007-05-21 19:13:12
317.   waitingforthecall
Who's this guy coming in to pitch?
2007-05-21 19:13:27
318.   seamus
311 i'm not sure he fealt the "need" to do it! :)
2007-05-21 19:13:28
319.   Zack
Oh God, torre just cost us the game
2007-05-21 19:13:32
320.   RIYank
Geez, I didn't know Cora was a lefty batter. Okay, I guess.
2007-05-21 19:13:34
321.   Mattpat11
307 He went up against Pedro several times.
2007-05-21 19:14:19
322.   nick
tired Proctor? tired Mo for a 4-out save? Farnsworth, with 2 men on already? I hate all the options-
2007-05-21 19:14:48
323.   RIYank
I don't get it. This is like a bad joke.
2007-05-21 19:15:40
324.   seamus
bruney can be wild, but they weren't hitting him hard.
2007-05-21 19:15:55
325.   waitingforthecall
Proctor must be looking for another suspension/rest.
2007-05-21 19:15:56
326.   nick
HOW can joe have so little faith in Bruney that he needs a tired Proctor who will now end up pitching to the Sox's best hitters??? Joe is SETTING UP a loss here-
2007-05-21 19:16:17
327.   weeping for brunnhilde
Well, now it's interesting, eh?
2007-05-21 19:16:18
328.   bartap74
Proctor pitches well. Proctor gets overused. Proctor starts to pitch badly. Proctor is suspended and gets some rest. Proctor pitches well again. Proctor gets overused...

See the pattern? Why doesn't Joe?

2007-05-21 19:16:24
329.   JimCobain
323 Or a bad dream
2007-05-21 19:16:27
330.   Mattpat11
Figures, I found this just now. You can check if I screwed up alot easier here.

2007-05-21 19:16:28
331.   Zack
Torre, why must you manage the BP like this? Why????
2007-05-21 19:17:35
332.   RIYank
329 Yeah, I almost said 'dream' instead of 'joke'. Oh, good, Farnsworth is throwing in the pen. Now if I suddenly discover that I have an exam tomorrow in a subject I have never studied, it will be the perfect bad dream.
2007-05-21 19:18:13
333.   Zack
332 Or if you were also naked...
2007-05-21 19:18:39
334.   RIYank
Robbie saves the day!!!
2007-05-21 19:18:39
335.   waitingforthecall
Proctor deserves the Purple Heart.
2007-05-21 19:18:45
336.   Eirias
Too close.
2007-05-21 19:18:45
337.   thelarmis
2007-05-21 19:18:55
338.   nick
2007-05-21 19:19:03
339.   weeping for brunnhilde

You see?

That's what Cano can do.

That was very clutch.

2007-05-21 19:19:05
340.   seamus
2007-05-21 19:19:08
341.   JimCobain
(faint) Did Cano really have to hot dog that? Whew!
2007-05-21 19:19:14
342.   bartap74
Drat, Joe's diabolical plan is foiled. How will he ensure the Yankees losing now?
2007-05-21 19:19:36
343.   Zack
Wow, Robbie saving the game! Darn you Joe Torre!
2007-05-21 19:20:03
344.   RIYank
I don't get down on Torre like some of youse, but that was a very stupid bad rotten decision. You have to leave Bruney in there. What was the problem? A dumb walk, okay. A dribbler?

Anyway, we survived it. And now Papi and Manny can't tie the game.

2007-05-21 19:22:05
345.   3rd gen yankee fan
Awright let's put some more runs on the board.
2007-05-21 19:22:15
346.   RIYank
339 I was about to ask you whether "very dutch" is some old school expression!
2007-05-21 19:22:32
347.   weeping for brunnhilde
344 Agreed.
2007-05-21 19:23:31
348.   3rd gen yankee fan
Joel Piñata!
2007-05-21 19:24:15
349.   seamus
kill kill kill kill...
2007-05-21 19:24:16
350.   nick
& I was about to post here how Joe had been handling the pen pretty well lately...
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2007-05-21 19:24:44
351.   RIYank
Farns is warming for the ninth. I actually like this: he has a good record against Ortiz, and it's a big lead. And Mo can be wheeled in if Farns gets into any kind of trouble.
2007-05-21 19:24:48
352.   waitingforthecall
This guy should be closing for somebody.
2007-05-21 19:25:15
353.   Neil R

That's a great nickname for that loudmouth.

2007-05-21 19:25:30
354.   thelarmis
344 exactly. bruney essentially walks batters and strikes them out. he should've stayed in. not looking forward to worthless in the 9th, but we'll be fine...
2007-05-21 19:25:39
355.   Zack
Oh dear God, Mo not comign in b/c not a save situation and isntead Farnsworth? Joe, my God, jsut when I think you can't do anything dumber, well...
2007-05-21 19:25:52
356.   JimCobain
Oh I see what Torre is going to do. He is going to let Farnsworth get two runners on and then have Mo warm up in a hurry and come in a high stress situation. I cracked the code, he is setting up the pen for failure!
2007-05-21 19:26:07
357.   3rd gen yankee fan
353 I think someone else here came up with it.
2007-05-21 19:26:35
358.   Zack
No its not good. Farnsworth will get runners on since he can't pitch a 1-2-3, and then Joe will feel obligated to bring in Mo b.c it will then be a save situation, but Mo doesn't do that well with runners on, as we know...
2007-05-21 19:27:19
359.   bartap74
355 To be fair, Rivera DID throw a lot of pitches last night and the next two games could be even closer.
2007-05-21 19:27:25
360.   Mattpat11
Have we ever figured out what the hell a defective baseball is?
2007-05-21 19:27:41
361.   seamus
i've always gotta pull for Farnsworth. One of my favorite places int he world is the Farnsworth Branch in the Allegheny National Forest in pa. he cannot ruin his namesake for me...
2007-05-21 19:27:52
362.   RIYank
Oh, man. Alex blows it. Now Jorgie doesn't get another shot, his streak is over.

Maybe Farnsworth will help him out...

2007-05-21 19:28:35
363.   weeping for brunnhilde
That was actually a very nice at-bat by Alex.

Did you notice how hard he hit that slider?

That's the pitch he swings through when he's in a funk.

So maybe he really is coming out of it.

2007-05-21 19:28:44
364.   waitingforthecall
Rivera threw 30 pitches last night so not bringing him in here is at least defensible.
2007-05-21 19:28:48
365.   Mattpat11
Aw crap. Here he comes. This cannot end well. Either he pitches like Farnsworth and its a two run game right away, or he does well and earns Joe's trust back.
2007-05-21 19:29:00
366.   Zack
359 True. But we know that with one runner on hes coming in anyway
2007-05-21 19:29:07
367.   JimCobain
360 Any ball thrown by Farnsworth?
2007-05-21 19:29:49
368.   waitingforthecall
Sorry bartap74.
2007-05-21 19:30:14
369.   WeMissPaulie
Isn't it scary when I'm biting nails and its 6-2?


2007-05-21 19:30:20
370.   thelarmis
360 any that don't score runs for the boston offense, make outs for their defense, and/or hit/injure their beloved players.
2007-05-21 19:30:30
371.   Mattpat11
Kim is practicing her questions.
2007-05-21 19:30:42
372.   weeping for brunnhilde
356 That's exactly right.
2007-05-21 19:30:44
373.   3rd gen yankee fan
Gimpy Crow!
2007-05-21 19:31:10
374.   nick
but Rick, you moron, those numbers ARE Farnsworthish--and that's why he's FARNS, and not somebody who's worth $17 million--
2007-05-21 19:31:16
375.   thelarmis
370 don't make out for their defense...
2007-05-21 19:31:50
376.   weeping for brunnhilde
371 She's such a cutie, that Kim.

She was a very sincere quality about her, a kind of warmth, innocence, almost.

2007-05-21 19:32:14
377.   thelarmis
there's 1...
2007-05-21 19:33:16
378.   thelarmis
376 i love kim jones! : )
2007-05-21 19:33:42
379.   RIYank
2007-05-21 19:34:02
380.   RIYank


2007-05-21 19:34:08
381.   Mattpat11
2007-05-21 19:34:33
382.   JimCobain
I bet even John Wetteland would get nervous watching Farnsworth pitch...
2007-05-21 19:34:46
383.   Zack
Yup, here we go
2007-05-21 19:34:52
384.   weeping for brunnhilde
They just showed a shot of Joe, and man, does he look nervous.
2007-05-21 19:34:52
385.   Mattpat11
How many 1-2-3 innings does he have this year? I'd be shocked if I can't count them on one hand.
2007-05-21 19:34:59
386.   nick
just throw strikes.........
2007-05-21 19:35:05
387.   thelarmis
just settin' up the game ending DP...
2007-05-21 19:35:30
388.   RIYank
I just poured myself some bourbon.
I swallowed it.
I feel better.
2007-05-21 19:36:01
389.   3rd gen yankee fan
387 There ya go.
2007-05-21 19:36:03
390.   weeping for brunnhilde
Man, anytime Manny takes a swing like that I close my eyes.


2007-05-21 19:36:05
391.   bartap74
368 Why?
2007-05-21 19:36:10
392.   nick
385 two-Pete Abraham's been counting.

ok, I've figured it out--those glasses are too intellectual-looking--Kyle needs some coke-bottle Ryne Duren numbers....

2007-05-21 19:36:29
393.   3rd gen yankee fan
All right, we'll take it!
2007-05-21 19:36:42
394.   weeping for brunnhilde


2007-05-21 19:36:57
395.   weeping for brunnhilde
2007-05-21 19:37:05
396.   nick
never in doubt, Kyle...
2007-05-21 19:37:07
397.   seamus
392 i like his glasses. i like seeing someone not trying to look too tough.
2007-05-21 19:37:09
398.   RIYank
Goooood Farns. Good Farns.
Give him a big piece of steak or something, I want him to have positive associations.
2007-05-21 19:37:15
399.   Mattpat11
Good. Now get two more.
2007-05-21 19:37:29
400.   waitingforthecall
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2007-05-21 19:37:38
401.   Zack
I happily take back my doubting of Farnsworth!
2007-05-21 19:37:40
402.   Mattpat11
397 He looks like Elton John
2007-05-21 19:37:41
403.   thelarmis
hey, alright! let's do this again tomorrow!

go yanks, go moose!

2007-05-21 19:37:56
404.   3rd gen yankee fan
2007-05-21 19:38:04
405.   JimCobain
alright, alright, alright!
2007-05-21 19:38:10
406.   bartap74
401 Even a blind pig finds a truffle every once in a while.
2007-05-21 19:38:29
407.   Mattpat11
401 I wouldn't go that far.
2007-05-21 19:38:33
408.   RIYank
Um, so, our bullpen just threw almost three innings against the Red Sox without being charged a run. (Yes, one inherited runner allowed to score.) And without Mo.
2007-05-21 19:38:48
409.   mainmanmaitland
That would be the quickest way to catch the Sox in the standings - beat the holy hell out of them every time we play them for the rest of the year (fingers crossed)
2007-05-21 19:39:06
410.   weeping for brunnhilde
I think Johnny likes Kim too.
2007-05-21 19:39:51
411.   weeping for brunnhilde
397 Agreed.
2007-05-21 19:40:43
412.   seamus
i think johnny likes being interviewed by Kim!
2007-05-21 19:42:14
413.   RIYank
Suzyn talking to Robbie.
Robbie said he was thinking, "If the ball comes near me I have to dive, can't let them score two runs." (In the eighth, of course.)
He was working with Bowa before the game.
At bat he says he now wants to be using the whole field, which is what he did when he was hot last year.
2007-05-21 19:43:57
414.   RIYank
I missed the Kim/Johnny interview (went to the radio). What did he say, anything?
2007-05-21 19:45:03
415.   weeping for brunnhilde
413 Really? He said those things?


He must really be working, kudos to him for that.

Let's hope he turns things around.

2007-05-21 19:47:20
416.   weeping for brunnhilde
414 The only memorable thing was that once the team gets going, they'll be hard to beat and that they'd turn it around, don't worry.

He sounded kind of confident, which made me feel more confident.

They do have a lot of talent on that team, we sometimes forget that.

Or at least, I sometimes forget that.

2007-05-21 19:48:50
417.   nyyfan22
414 He said once the Yanks are rolling they're going to be a tough team to beat. And then he looked down her shirt. j/k - but he really did say that.
2007-05-21 19:50:02
418.   RIYank
Good day for both Damon and Cano, Weeping. I think maybe they've come over the hump, both of them. And hey, maybe everyone will hit for two more games before the next Yankee begins his slump! Knock on wood.
2007-05-21 19:56:10
419.   weeping for brunnhilde
418 Hear, hear, RI.

And Kay just reminded me that Damon said his legs were feeling good.

All the difference.

2007-05-21 19:58:07
420.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, and as to Cano, it's so strange to hear that because it makes you wonder why he ever stopped trying to spray the ball around.

I mean, why does it take so long to recognize your deficiency and adjust?

I suppose with him it's about pitch selection, which means changing your fundamental approach at the plate.

Like when Sori used to flail at all those sliders off the plate for the last year or two he was with us.

Man, major league breaking balls are no joke.

2007-05-21 19:59:55
421.   weeping for brunnhilde
418 Don't say that, because I know who the next to slump will be and I really don't want to see it happen, but it obviously will happen.

I won't mention any names because I don't want to jinx the guy, but it can really only be one guy I'm talking about.

2007-05-21 20:00:45
422.   RIYank
I dunno. One possibility is that he thought he could improve his power this year, take the next step, so he was trying to pull everything. Another possibility is that when he's uncomfortable and struggling, he instinctively reverts to pulling.
But as they say, if I knew the answer I'd be a very highly paid consultant!
2007-05-21 20:02:25
423.   RIYank
And it's kind of ironic, isn't it, because when he stops trying, he hits the opposite field triple and also gets a double today.
2007-05-21 20:05:10
424.   RIYank
And one more funny thing, then I'm going to bed: Suzyn just reported that Torre says Cano reminds him of Soriano. Cf. 420!
2007-05-21 20:10:40
425.   weeping for brunnhilde
424 ha hah ah ! That's a back-handed compliment if ever there was one.

And it's so apt, both offensively and defensively.

Wandering focus, prodigious talent.

I sure hope that that was the case with Cano, because if so, it means it's easily fixed.

"Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this!"

"Then don't do that."

But the real question is, who in the hell would have put that thought in his head?

You see? It's not enough to just spray the ball around? You have to get thoughts in your head about being a slugger?

2007-05-21 20:14:16
426.   weeping for brunnhilde
Jeter says, "I like our intensity that last couple of days."

Hear, hear, Derek.

Intensity is exactly what they need.


2007-05-21 21:22:57
427.   yankz
426 Sounds like the Yankees watched this YouTube video...again...

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