Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
The Baltimore Orioles
2007-04-06 14:19
by Cliff Corcoran

I'll be honest, the Orioles bore me to tears. Now nursing a nine-year run of losing records, the Orioles continue to rearrange the furniture, but without a meaningful youth movement, they'll forever be the AL East's fourth-place team (until the Devil Rays get enough pitching to pass them, that is). Nick Markakis might be the real deal in right field, but there's no one behind him in the high minors and now that Melvin Mora's fallen back to earth he's less of a production addition than a production replacement. Erik Bedard, whom the Yankees will face on Sunday, is actually about a week older than Johan Santana. Chris Ray is nice and all, but he's a band-aid on a severed limb. That just leaves the ongoing mystery that is Daniel Cabrera--who acquitted himself well over his last ten starts last year and his first outing of 2007, but still hasn't shown the dominant form that's long been predicted for him--and tonight's starter Adam Loewen. As a rookie in 2006, Loewen faced the Yankees more than any other team, excelling in those four starts (2.62 ERA, 23 K in 24 IP), and Baseball Prospectus's Kevin Goldstein likes him more than either Cabrera or Ray. Tonight marks his first start of 2007, and it will be interesting to see what he can do against the Yankees' lefty-heavy lineup after so much exposure to same last year.

As for the O's as a group, the were swept by the Twins in their opening series by a combined score of 17-8, with half of those runs coming off Johan Santana himself, and are punting the catcher position while trying to decide what to do about Ramon Hernandez's strained oblique muscle. The Hernandez situation brings to mind the Yankees' deliberations over Johnny Damon's sexy calves, but with inferior stand-ins. Actually, Peter Abraham reports that Damon's feeling better and could play tomorrow. Hernandez, however, is likely DL-bound.

The Orioles are ripe for the picking, but the Yankees have to help themselves first. After making six errors in their first two games, three of them coming from the Captain, who's never looked worse in the field, their ability to pick anything in doubt.

Baltimore Orioles

2006 Record: 70-92 (.432)
2006 Pythagorean Record: 69-93 (.426)

Manager: Sam Perlozzo
General Manager: Mike Flanagan

Home Ballpark (2006 Park Factors): Oriole Park at Camden Yards (99/99)

Who's Replacing Whom?

Aubrey Huff replaces Jeff Conine and Luis Matos
Freddie Bynum is standing in for Jay Payton (DL) who replaces Brandon Fahey (minors) and David Newhan
Paul Bako replaces Javy Lopez
Alberto Castillo replaces Raul Chavez, Chris Widger and Danny Ardoin
Jaret Wright replaces Rodrigo Lopez
Steve Trachsel replaces Kris Benson (DL)
Adam Loewen inherits Bruce Chen's starts
Danys Baez replaces LaTroy Hawkins
Jamie Walker replaces Chris Britton
Chad Bradford replaces Todd Williams (minors)
Scott Williamson replaces Russ Ortiz
John Parrish replaces Kurt Birkins (minors) and John Halama
Jeremy Guthrie replaces Sendy Rleal (DL)

25-man Roster

1B - Aubrey Huff (L)
2B - Brian Roberts (S)
SS - Miguel Tejada (R)
3B - Melvin Mora (R)
C - Paul Bako (L)
RF - Nick Markakis (L)
CF - Corey Patterson (L)
LF - Jay Gibbons (L)
DH - Kevin Millar (R)


R - Chris Gomez (IF)
L - Freddie Bynum (OF)
R - Alberto Castillo (C)
R - Ramon Hernandez (C)*


L - Erik Bedard
R - Daniel Cabrera
R - Jaret Wright
L - Adam Loewen
R - Steve Trachsel


R - Chris Ray
R - Danys Baez
L - Jamie Walker
R - Chad Bradford
R - Scott Williamson
L - John Parrish
R - Jeremy Guthrie

15-day DL: R - Jay Payton (OF), R - Sendy Rleal
60-day DL: R - Kris Benson

*Hernandez has yet to play this season due to a strained left oblique


S - Brian Roberts (2B)
R - Melvin Mora (3B)
L - Nick Markakis (RF)
R - Miguel Tejada (SS)
L - Aubrey Huff (1B)
L - Jay Gibbons (LF)
R - Kevin Millar (DH)
L - Corey Patterson (CF)
L - Paul Bako (C)

Comments (154)
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2007-04-06 16:00:15
1.   standuptriple
The D-Rays let the Orioles play @ Tropicana Field in '06? How nice of them.
2007-04-06 16:01:04
2.   Schteeve
Is their ability to pick anything really in doubt? Two games in really cold weather, after spending the last 6 weeks in beautiful sunny Florida? I'm willing to give them a pass until the weather shapes up a little.
2007-04-06 16:06:29
3.   yankz
Jeter's defense tends to improve as the year goes on. But yeah, he's been dreadful.
2007-04-06 16:10:09
4.   OldYanksFan
We need to tie up ARod for 6 years, and although he would cry like a baby, it's time to buy Jetes a 1st basemans glove. Solves 2 problems in one wack.
2007-04-06 16:12:41
5.   OldYanksFan
Ouch! Anyone watching the game?
2007-04-06 16:13:02
6.   Cliff Corcoran
1 Fixed, as is the RLYW link.
2007-04-06 16:13:47
7.   Yankee Fan in Chicago has a gameday for AAA this season --follow St. Phil tonight.

Shaky first -- gave up a run after a hbp, wild pitch, single with 2 outs.

2007-04-06 16:15:03
8.   yankz
BTW, Phil Hughes is starting tonight, and you watch on MiLB Gameday.

Phil's line through 1: 1 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 WP, 1 HB, 2 K.

2007-04-06 16:15:39
9.   yankz
Aaaand Moose is off to a rough start too.
2007-04-06 16:15:49
10.   yankz
7 Oof, too fast.
2007-04-06 16:25:38
11.   yankz
Damn, rough week for the Captain.
2007-04-06 16:42:27
12.   yankz
2007-04-06 16:45:56
13.   OldYanksFan
1 out, man on third. Here, we separate the men from the boys.
2007-04-06 16:47:02
14.   BklynBmr
Prediction: This is the year MatsZilla wins the AL Batting Crown...
2007-04-06 16:53:38
15.   BklynBmr
14 That is unless Robbie closes the deal this time '-)
2007-04-06 16:54:59
16.   OldYanksFan
14 And Robbie was fooled on that pitch. I hope Mats has a great hitting year, cause he ain't gonna win any foot races.
2007-04-06 16:55:54
17.   yankz
Same post as last night: Cano aka Hit Machine.
2007-04-06 17:01:19
18.   JeremyM
So far our starters have looked like crap, not the way I wanted to see things start..umm, no pun intended:)
2007-04-06 17:02:37
19.   yankz
Yeah, they've all been terrible. 51 pitches for Moose through 2.1 IP. Only 27 for strikes.
2007-04-06 17:03:07
20.   OldYanksFan
Wow... talk about giving it back!
2007-04-06 17:03:28
21.   vockins
Time for Henn. This is looking grim.
2007-04-06 17:04:14
22.   OldYanksFan
Hello Roger? Yeah, it's Brian...
2007-04-06 17:04:44
23.   OldYanksFan
Hello Phil? Yeah, it's Brian...
2007-04-06 17:05:14
24.   BklynBmr
Moose is not getting the low strike, seems like the zone is from the belt to the bellybutton tonight...
2007-04-06 17:05:54
25.   OldYanksFan
Hello Mr. Santana? Yeah, it's Mr. Steinbrenner...
2007-04-06 17:05:55
26.   vockins
Pick up the phone, Ron.
2007-04-06 17:07:27
27.   Simone
Looks like it will take 10 runs to win a game this season.
2007-04-06 17:08:10
28.   yankz
Hello, Mr. Erickson?
2007-04-06 17:09:18
29.   yankz
Anyone else watching Hughes? He was cruising, and then GameDay got stuck.
2007-04-06 17:12:35
30.   yankz
Apparently I'm a jinx.
2007-04-06 17:12:56
31.   BklynBmr
Watched the S.F. Giants home open where they trotted out every living All-Star in the pre-game ceremony. Vida Blue looks like he can still bring it...
2007-04-06 17:15:26
32.   BklynBmr
Good hustle, Cap! Now, let's get a few right back here...
2007-04-06 17:16:47
33.   kdw
Was Jeter just grimacing? Hoping it's just from the slide.
2007-04-06 17:16:48
34.   yankz
Hughes through 4: 6 K, 1 BB, 2 ER, 6 GBO, 0 FBO. Pretty solid for his AAA debut, IMO.
2007-04-06 17:17:09
35.   Marcus
30 How about Kevin Reese listed as the SS and Alberto Gonzalez as the RF on Gameday? That can't be right.
2007-04-06 17:18:27
36.   BklynBmr
33 They showed a few replays, looked like he might have banged it on the slide. Singleton thinks he's trying to deke the O's...
2007-04-06 17:18:31
37.   Eirias
2007-04-06 17:18:34
38.   joejoejoe
Sometimes I think Torre has a fetish for L/R/L/R lineups. Cano goes 3-5 last night, Melky goes 0-4 and Cano gets dropped from leadoff to 8th and Melky bats leadoff. If Damon's out - bat Jeter leadoff against lefties. Did Torre order lineup cards with Jeter already printed in the 2 spot to save time?

Q: Who is the Yankees fifth OF if somebody gets dinged? Miguel 'BFOG' Cairo?

2007-04-06 17:18:39
39.   yankz
35 Not to mention Eric Duncan as C.
2007-04-06 17:19:13
40.   Orly Yarly NoWai
In NBA news, Robert Horry recieved another DNP- Old Age from Yahoo! today.
2007-04-06 17:19:17
41.   yankz
Giambi for the lead...
2007-04-06 17:19:47
42.   Orly Yarly NoWai
38, I think so.
2007-04-06 17:19:56
43.   thelarmis
clutch hbp.

giambino time.

2007-04-06 17:20:27
44.   Orly Yarly NoWai
Love to see Loewen walk one in here.
2007-04-06 17:20:55
45.   BklynBmr
This ump is all over the place...
2007-04-06 17:20:56
46.   Orly Yarly NoWai

Stupid MASN announcers.

2007-04-06 17:21:39
47.   yankz
2007-04-06 17:21:40
48.   Orly Yarly NoWai



2007-04-06 17:22:01
49.   yankz
Godzilla for the lead...
2007-04-06 17:22:49
50.   Bama Yankee
40 Horry is definitely old. He was at the Univ. of Alabama while I was there back in the late 80's early 90's.
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2007-04-06 17:22:50
51.   BklynBmr
Channel your first game in the Stadium, Mats...
2007-04-06 17:23:18
52.   Orly Yarly NoWai
2007-04-06 17:23:43
53.   yankz
All right wtf.
2007-04-06 17:24:48
54.   Orly Yarly NoWai
"There's a reason that Miguel Tejada is the best powerhitting shortstop in baseball..."

Yeah, A-Rod's not playing there anymore.

"Better play him deep, Grady Sizemore!"

Better fuckin' play Grady deep.

2007-04-06 17:26:41
55.   Orly Yarly NoWai
Amazing! According to MASN, Moose was better when he was with the Os! Who knew!?
2007-04-06 17:27:41
56.   yankz
Can't anyone here play this game?
2007-04-06 17:28:22
57.   yankz
At least Moose is on my opponent for this week's fantasy team.
2007-04-06 17:28:31
58.   Orly Yarly NoWai
56 Get back to them later.
2007-04-06 17:28:33
59.   joejoejoe
Robert Horry would be a good defensive RF for the Red Sox. He's like 6'11" and would catch a lot balls over that short wall. I'll bet the Red Sox fans embrace him easier than J.D. Drew.
2007-04-06 17:28:44
60.   OldYanksFan
Man... Moose is throwing some FAT pitches. Waist high, down the pike. Can he go 5?
2007-04-06 17:28:56
61.   Orly Yarly NoWai
57 I've got Markakis and Patterson.
2007-04-06 17:29:42
62.   Orly Yarly NoWai
59 Imagine Amare Stoudemire as an outfielder. Apparently, back in his Navy days, David Robinson made a great CF in softball.
2007-04-06 17:31:22
63.   OldYanksFan
Hello Chien-Ming (sob), Yeah (sniffle), it's Brian...
2007-04-06 17:31:44
64.   yankz
That's nothing. Check out this guy:

2007-04-06 17:33:19
65.   joejoejoe
62 Kenny Lofton played point guard at Arizona. I think Dave Winfield was a power forward at Minnesota. You need speed and coordination to play OF - same as basketball. The way the Yankees are looking in the field maybe it would be more appropriate to imagine Oliver Miller and Kevin Duckworth in pinstripes.
2007-04-06 17:34:16
66.   Orly Yarly NoWai
65 Robert Traylor and Yinka Dare.
2007-04-06 17:35:05
67.   yankz
Move Jeter to first, and sign Michael Jordan to play SS.
2007-04-06 17:35:30
68.   Orly Yarly NoWai
Jordan's too old. I want J-Smoove or Andre Igoudala.
2007-04-06 17:35:34
69.   Simone
Aubrey Huff is playing for the Os? Okay. I don't pitch half as well as the mayor of Cincinnati, but the Yankees wouldn't have to pay an 1/8 of what they are paying these dreadful starters.
2007-04-06 17:35:40
70.   Paul in Boston
Hi all,
I hate this year so far from a pitching perspective. Just wanted to get that off my chest.
2007-04-06 17:35:50
71.   yankz
Hughes through 5: 9 GBO, 6 K. Awesome.
2007-04-06 17:36:29
72.   kdw
36 Thanks.
2007-04-06 17:36:50
73.   yankz
It's still really's still really cold...
2007-04-06 17:37:17
74.   Orly Yarly NoWai
70 I comfort myself by thinking of the Mariners and their four #4 starters.
2007-04-06 17:38:10
75.   joejoejoe
65 Yinka Dare might get more assists playing baseball OF than basketball C.
2007-04-06 17:38:41
76.   Orly Yarly NoWai
75 Not hard; he had maybe seven in his career.
2007-04-06 17:39:59
77.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Henn's in the pen... heh...
2007-04-06 17:40:12
78.   Orly Yarly NoWai
"I think one thing Adam Loewen is going to be is a winner."

Yeah, when he gets traded off the O's.

2007-04-06 17:44:12
79.   joejoejoe
Maybe this Phelps/Alphabet platoon will be good.
2007-04-06 17:44:12
80.   yankz
It'd be a good time for your first hit, Melky.
2007-04-06 17:45:30
81.   OldYanksFan
I think Melky is having trouble living up to his own reputation.
2007-04-06 17:46:26
82.   Orly Yarly NoWai
"I think they did the right thing by naming Morneau the MVP."


2007-04-06 17:48:18
83.   yankz
Bad, bad pitching + no timely hitting = frustrating two games.
2007-04-06 17:48:33
84.   Marcus
Hmm, Hughes pulled after 5 IP, 74 pitches. Seems like they have him on an innings limit to start off the year.
2007-04-06 17:48:33
85.   BklynBmr
That's 16 LOB in the last 13 innings...
2007-04-06 17:52:02
86.   yankz
Is Hughes still on a 5 IP limit?
2007-04-06 17:53:03
87.   BklynBmr
83 16 LOB in the last 13 innings. And don't forget the sloppy defense...
2007-04-06 17:53:28
88.   Orly Yarly NoWai
"Corey Patterson hustles every time he hits the baseball."

So... every once in a while?

2007-04-06 17:54:26
89.   yankz
88 Hilarious.
2007-04-06 17:54:49
90.   BklynBmr
85 87 That was strange. 85 would not post for some reason. Toaster crumb, probably...
2007-04-06 17:54:50
91.   yankz
Cy Henn
2007-04-06 17:54:51
92.   joejoejoe
No more Moose. Henn's in the game. So far Carl Pavano has the deepest start of the year - 4 1/3 innings. Somewhere Roger Clemens is phoning his agent to up his asking price.
2007-04-06 17:57:00
93.   yankz
Need 4 innings from Henn.
2007-04-06 17:58:47
94.   yankz
I don't know what I hate more, watching games online or these past two games.
2007-04-06 18:00:00
95.   Orly Yarly NoWai
I didn't realize that 28-year old Erik Bedard was a "young gun."
2007-04-06 18:08:27
96.   yankz
Damn 11 pitch ABs.
2007-04-06 18:08:45
97.   Orly Yarly NoWai
Wasn't it Terry Crowley who Earl Weaver saved from a job in a paint factory?
2007-04-06 18:10:20
98.   Orly Yarly NoWai
"After the fun and excitement of Orioles opening day..."

Is /that/ what they're calling it these days?

2007-04-06 18:12:17
99.   yankz
Maybe Henn should've started.
2007-04-06 18:15:13
100.   OldYanksFan
I say dump Myers and bring up KT.
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2007-04-06 18:16:25
101.   Orly Yarly NoWai
Wow. That sequence was Yankee-esque.
2007-04-06 18:17:04
102.   Orly Yarly NoWai
100 I say we offer Doug Out and Cairo to Seattle for King Felix. Bill Bavasi likes those veteran professional hitters.
2007-04-06 18:17:18
103.   yankz
I think SS at the Stadium is jinxed.
2007-04-06 18:17:54
104.   yankz
Where's Jim Dean when you need him?
2007-04-06 18:21:48
105.   Orly Yarly NoWai
2007-04-06 18:22:29
106.   yankz
Hit Machine
2007-04-06 18:22:49
107.   Bama Yankee
2007-04-06 18:26:04
108.   OldYanksFan
The Twins-White Sox game was posponed due to COLD!
2007-04-06 18:27:23
109.   Bama Yankee
Global warming?
2007-04-06 18:28:20
110.   OldYanksFan
Shit! Melkdud swings at a bad pitch on a 2-0 count. That's why Joe doesn't like kids.
2007-04-06 18:29:07
111.   Orly Yarly NoWai
Anyone see the move Mike Hargrove pulled in Cleveland today?
2007-04-06 18:30:33
112.   BklynBmr
109 Gorebal warming?
2007-04-06 18:33:49
113.   Bama Yankee
112 LOL. Good one
2007-04-06 18:34:30
114.   BklynBmr
Good work by Henn!
2007-04-06 18:36:45
115.   Bama Yankee
Anyone know if there is a FOX game tomorrow?
2007-04-06 18:41:08
116.   JeremyM
111 Wow. Kind of a tacky move in my book, I guess you did what you think you need to, but I'd say it's sleazy myself.
2007-04-06 18:43:52
117.   BklynBmr
115 In S.F., we're getting the Giants-Dodgers on FOX, but FOX is the Giant's local co-flagship station (along with FSN), so not sure how that effects nationally. If last years setup remains in place, I don't we'll get the EI feed here, then. Could be wrong...
2007-04-06 18:45:24
118.   Orly Yarly NoWai
116 The Human Snow Delay strikes again!

In all fairness, he was right. That game should have been postponed before it started. Before the game, someone built a freakin' snowman at second base.

2007-04-06 18:46:02
119.   BklynBmr
111 What happened?

Memo to Stadium attendees: Enough with the boos on Alex, already.

2007-04-06 18:46:32
120.   Shaun P
115 Bama, I remember reading somewhere online that FOX's Saturday game of the week starts tomorrow. Ah, it was

"Saturday's menu offers Mets vs. Braves in Atlanta, Twins vs. White Sox in Chicago and Dodgers vs. Giants in San Francisco"

So there you are.

Sean Henn, bullpen savior! I'm glad that the Yanks brought him north, and that Torre is giving him lots of chances to pitch.

2007-04-06 18:49:38
121.   JeremyM
118 I agree, but since they did go through that much trouble and made it that far, they should've made it official.
2007-04-06 18:49:43
122.   Bama Yankee
117 Thanks. I just looked it up, we are getting the Braves vs. Mets here. Guess EI won't be carrying the Yanks.
2007-04-06 18:50:13
123.   OldYanksFan
This is 2/3 of about a painful as it gets.
2007-04-06 18:51:38
124.   Bama Yankee
120 Thanks, Shaun. I finally got the EI package to work (had to watch hockey last night for some reason) and now the stupid FOX blackout gets me.
2007-04-06 18:54:48
125.   BklynBmr
Jorge!!! Great to see his hot start. Now let's keep that line movin', Yanks...
2007-04-06 18:55:34
126.   OldYanksFan
Jetes has a minor injury. But he will finish the game.
2007-04-06 18:55:47
127.   Orly Yarly NoWai
C'mon Robbie....
2007-04-06 18:57:58
128.   BklynBmr
126 Was that the slide on the double earlier?

%$%#! That's 10 LOB again tonight — so far!

2007-04-06 18:59:38
129.   BklynBmr
No way Jason gets to that ;-)
2007-04-06 19:01:17
130.   Shaun P
124 You're welcome, Bama. I can imagine how excited you are to be able to watch. My old roommate lives outside of Boston, like me (though he's a Mets fan), and can't get a dish, unlike me. When I told him that EI was back on cable, he literally screamed, he couldn't believe it. I imagine your reaction to the news was similar. =)

Now if we can just get rid of the darn FOX Saturday blackout . . .

A run here, a run there, and the Yanks will be back in it! I hope. Good night, all.

2007-04-06 19:01:57
131.   3rd gen yankee fan
128 Yeah, the #LOB is really pissing me off.

Mike Myers earning his keep...

2007-04-06 19:02:48
132.   SF Yanks
I just wanted to drop in and say "Hi" to my fellow banterers. I havn't checked in yet this season and thought I'd come by. Hope yall aren't stressing too much over this me. Not the start I was hoping for but, hey.

I swear, every season they win the first one then lose the next 4. They start off so promising.

2007-04-06 19:05:26
133.   SF Yanks
130 Wait... we can get the EI package already? (Sorry if it's been said, but I didn't want to read through everything.)
2007-04-06 19:07:24
134.   BklynBmr
130 That darn FOX Saturday blackout (and the inexplicable non-airings of more than a few weekend Yanks-BoSox games on EI) force me to subscribe to Gameday Audio — which does come in handy when traveling, anyway — but, yeah, the FOX deal blows...
2007-04-06 19:08:36
135.   kdw
128 He looked like he was in pain after that slide but I actually think he was limping as he rounded 1st on the double, just not as pronounced as on his next hit.
2007-04-06 19:09:21
136.   BklynBmr
133 SF, if you have Comcast, hit Channel 466 right about now... free preview for the next few days, too.
2007-04-06 19:11:33
137.   BklynBmr
135 Ahh, thanks, kdw. I didn't catch that.
2007-04-06 19:12:49
138.   SF Yanks
136 Oh perfect! Much better than MLB.TV. Thanks a ton. EI, here I come.
2007-04-06 19:21:09
139.   BklynBmr
138 Yeah, thank goodness the last minute deal went through. Now hopefully we can initiate the EI package with a come from behind win tonight!
2007-04-06 19:21:56
140.   BklynBmr
One baserunner, please!
2007-04-06 19:24:24
141.   vockins
At least the bullpen looks good.

I don't know how long that will last if they keep going in by the fourth.

2007-04-06 19:28:50
142.   Chyll Will
Same as what SF Yanks 132 said. Gotta go again, early morning call; tomorrow is my birthday so I'll try to drop in for a minute, but I'll more than likely rise again the day after... PA-ing for low-budget features in NYC is fun/tiresome/zzzzz...
2007-04-06 19:30:25
143.   Bama Yankee
142 Happy early birthday, Chyll.
2007-04-06 19:31:41
144.   randym77
Why was Cairo subbed in for Jeter?
2007-04-06 19:37:17
145.   Bama Yankee
144 Hey randym, how have you been?

Jeter fouled a pitch off his foot early in the game. It seemed to bother him more as the game went on.

2007-04-06 19:39:00
146.   kdw
137 Not swearing to it, he just looked a little off his stride.

144 Jeter looked like he was in pain running the bases so maybe they pulled him at the end to check him out or just get him out of the cold.

2007-04-06 19:50:05
147.   kdw
Radio post-game show said that x-rays on Jeter's foot were negative. Apparently he told Torre that if he got on in the 8th, Torre would have to pinch run for him. And the foot is why he slid head-first on the double.
2007-04-06 20:20:20
148.   BklynBmr
Is it too much to ask for our boys to bust out with a 10-0 start one of these years? Or 14-1? Some kinda gaudy number? Maybe next April...

141 The pen is thankfully off to a solid start. Looks like early on it's gonna be: outslug the opposition until the 7th, then hold on. These errors and mental letdowns must end now.

142 Happy B-Day, Chyll. Someone with access to The Voice of God has to drop him a line to make the announcement tomorrow live at the Stadium. It will stop the skid, no doubt! Either way, enjoy your day.

144 Good to see that familiar handle. Here we go again, lad! 40/27 or bust!

2007-04-07 00:34:39
149.   underdog
Not to get too political here but at the mention of global warming above - that blanket term doesn't just mean everything gets warmer and warmer. It means weather gets more extreme, too. 80 degrees, unseasonably warm weather for a couple of days is followed immediately by extreme cold and snow - as happened, say, in Cleveland this past week. The world's weather patterns get thrown off balance by climate change, and when people keep saying "global warming" in the larger discussions they are talking about climate change too, extreme weather patterns. Just so that's a little clearer.

Sorry to hijack this thread for a second, but I've been studying this for awhile and wanted to spill that. Now back to your regularly scheduled Yankee chat.

Better luck tomorrow - hope they come back against the O's and get a W.

2007-04-07 03:28:55
150.   randym77
145 Thanks for the explanation.

I've been fine, but busy. Haven't had nearly enough time for baseball.

Yankees not off to a great start, but that's hardly unusual. I'm sure they'll be fine.

149 One of things coming out of the climate models is that the northeast will get wetter (while there may be a new Dust Bowl in the southwest). I really wish the new stadium had a retractable roof.

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2007-04-07 07:18:45
151.   Bama Yankee
149 Didn't scientists predict that we were heading for another ice age back in the 70's? From a 1974 Time Magazine article:

"when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing.",9171,944914,00.html

Good thing we started emitting all those green house gases or we might all be living in igloos by now...


Just kidding, I don't disagree that we probably all need to be more conscious of our environment. But the "sky is falling" global warming crowd would probably have more success if they "chilled out" a little (pun intended).

2007-04-07 08:49:04
152.   OldYanksFan
151 I might suggest you study up of the vast qualities of ice and ice shelves, estimated to be thousands of years old, that have melted or are melting.

The are 12 villages in Alaska that have to be totally relocated, because the fishing has been so altered by the weather, that these villages can no longer sustain themselves.

It is always important to remember:
It's not NICE to mess with Mother Nature.

2007-04-07 10:10:02
153.   Bama Yankee
152 As I said, I don't disagree that we need to more conscious of our environment. I just don't want Al Gore and these so-called "scientists" telling me that I am causing all these weather changes because I drive my SUV. My point was that the earth's weather patterns are cyclical and those who said we were facing an ice age thirty years ago are now pointing to evidence that the planet is warming. What will they be saying thirty years from now if the average temperatures start to drop again?
2007-04-07 10:18:10
154.   underdog
Whatever floats your boat (or ice-floes your boat, heh). But their point is that this isn't a normal cycle of climate change, and the scientists who were talking about an ice age are not anything to do with the 99% of today's scientists across the globe who are saying carbon levels in the atmosphere are both human caused and causing abnormal increases beyond any typical cycle. Al Gore or no it doesn't matter. Anyway, you can be skeptical all you want. But since it makes financial sense for governments and businesses to go green, actually, and more and more people are on this, that it will quickly become irrelevant whether you personally care or not. (Nothing personal.) You can still drive your SUV, just drive it less, maybe, 'cause you know, oil isn't exactly an unlimited resource either.

And for god's sake plant a tree!

And if there is an ice age, I hope there's a mastadon that talks just like Ray Romano. (Not.)

Okay, I'll shaddup now. ;-)

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