Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Tampa Bay Devil Rays
2007-04-02 09:20
by Cliff Corcoran

The Arizona Diamonbacks and Milwaukee Brewers, two teams that had losing records in 2006, are considered contenders entering the 2007 season. There's reason to believe that the Colorado Rockies, who finished 2006 with the exact same record as the Diamondbacks, could surprise some people as well. Over in the American League, the two teams that lost 100 or more games last year, the Tampa Bay Devil Rays and Kansas City Royals, are two of the teams that intrigue me most entering the 2007 season. Not because I think they'll contend like that NL trio, none of which lost 90 games last year, not even because I think they'll be particularly good, but because I think they'll be better, and better for rather compelling reasons.

In the case of the Royals, they've added the game's top prospect, third baseman Alex Gordon, 23, finally rid themselves of no-hit, no-field, no-run shortstop Angel Berroa (in favor of Tony Pena Jr., who can't hit or run, but sure can pick 'em), and constructed a lineup in which poor man's slugger Ryan Shealy is hitting seventh. Meanwhile, they've got one of the most compelling stories in the game in Zack Greinke, who returned from a battle with social anxiety to dominate in spring training and break camp as a member of the major league rotation. The combination of Greinke and Gil Meche, who landed one of the most perplexing contracts of the offseason, will be curious to say the least.

The Devil Rays, meanwhile, have surprised many by breaking camp with troubled prospects B. J. Upton and Elijah Dukes in their Opening Day lineup at second base and center field respectively. Twenty-two-year-olds Upton and Dukes join 21-year-old Delmon Young, established homegrown stars Carl Crawford and Rocco Baldelli, both 25, and former New York prospects Dioner Navarro and Scott Kazmir, both 23, to form one of the most exciting young squads in baseball. That's a big deal for a team that scored the fewest runs in the major leagues last year, in part due to the plate appearances wasted on Travis Lee (388: .224/.312/.364), Damon Hollins (355: .228/.269/.423), Tomas Perez (254: .212/.224/.286), Toby Hall (234: .231/.261/.398) and busted prospect Jorge Cantu (448: .249/.295/.404), the last of whom failed to make the team this spring.

That's not to say that Upton and Dukes, let alone Young and Navarro, or even the gimpy Baldelli (who will start the season as the DH due to chronic hamstring problems) are guaranteed to produce (it seemed Upton forgot to pack his bats for his brief major league stint last year), but the upside to this year's Devil Ray offense is miles higher than that which the team ran out there last year. And I haven't even mentioned Japanese third baseman Akinori Iwamura, who just might prove to be the most underrated addition in the division.

The problem, of course, is pitching. After Scott Kazmir, the Rays will get a full season out of 25-year-old James Shields, who acquitted himself well as a rookie last year and is the sort of young, homegrown, mid-rotation starter they need to succeed, but that's it. Jason Hammel, who was supposed to compliment Shields, failed to make the team, as did J. P. Howell, the lefty starter acquired from the Royals for Joey Gathright. That means more Casey Fossum, Jae Seo, and busted Dodgers prospect Edwin Jackson. Things look even bleaker in the bullpen, which is the usual assortment of journeymen and busted prospects and opens the year without a clear closer. Without pitching, everything can break right for the Devil Rays' offense and the team still won't win, particularly in this division and this league. There are pitching prospects on the way (assuming you believe in such creatures) such as Jeff Niemann, Mitch Talbot, Jacob McGee, Wade Davis, and Wade Townsend, but due to either injury concerns or inexperience, none are particularly close to helping. That leaves it to General Manager Andrew Friedman to properly leverage his outfield glut (Crawford, Baldelli, Young, Dukes, Jonny Gomes, possibly even Upton if he fails at his third infield position) for young arms that can help. The Gathright for J.P. Howell deal was a declaration of intent. Expect a more substantial swap this summer.

Until then, Rays will have keep Kazmir healthy and cash in his starts as often as possible (the high upside would look like a modern-day version of fellow lefty Steve Carlton's 1972 campaign). As exciting as the Rays' young offense might be, there's not true masher in the bunch, nor are players such as Crawford, Baldelli, or Young particularly adept at inflating their on-base percentages via bases on balls. There are still major concerns over Upton's fielding and Dukes' disposition, and neither Dukes nor Iwamura has ever played a regular season game in the major leagues. So the Devil Rays aren't necessarily going to be good, but they sure will be interesting.

Tampa Bay Devil Rays

2006 Record: 61-101 (.377)
2006 Pythagorean Record: 65-97 (.401)

Manager: Joe Maddon
General Manager: Andrew Friedman

Home Ballpark (2006 Park Factors): Tropicana Field (102/102)

Who's Replacing Whom?

Akinori Iwamura replaces Jorge Cantu (minors)
Elijah Dukes replaces Aubrey Huff, Russell Branyan, and Joey Gathright
Delmon Young inherits Damon Hollins' playing time
B. J. Upton inherits Travis Lee's playing time
Dioner Navarro replaces a half-season of Toby Hall
Ben Zobrist replaces two-thirds of a season of Julio Lugo
Carlos Peña replaces Greg Norton (DL)
Brendan Harris replaces Tomas Perez
Jae Seo takes over Tim Corcoran's starts
James Shields takes over Doug Waechter's starts
Edwin Jackson takes over the starts of Mark Hendrickson, Seth McClung (minors) and Jason Hammel (minors)
Brian Stokes replaces Brian Meadows
Gary Glover replaces John Switzer (DL)
Al Reyes replaces Tyler Walker and Travis Harper
Jae Kuk Ryu replaces Chad Harville and Chad Orvella (minors)
Juan Salas replaces J. P. Howell (minors) and Dan Miceli

Opening Day Roster:

1B – Ty Wigginton (R)
2B – B. J. Upton (R)
SS – Ben Zobrist (S)
3B – Akinori Iwamura (L)
C – Dioner Navarro(S)
RF – Delmon Young (R)
CF – Elijah Dukes (R)
LF – Carl Crawford (L)
DH – Rocco Baldelli (R)


R – Jonny Gomes (OF)
L – Carlos Peña (1B)
R – Brendan Harris (IF)
R – Josh Paul(C)


L – Scott Kazmir
R – Jae Seo
R – James Shields
L – Casey Fossum
R – Edwin Jackson


R – Shawn Camp
R – Brian Stokes
R – Ruddy Lugo
R – Gary Glover
R – Al Reyes
R – Jae Kuk Ryu
R – Juan Salas


L – Carl Crawford (CF)
S – Ben Zobrist (S)
R – Rocco Baldelli (R)
R – Ty Wigginton (R)
R – Delmon Young (R)
L – Akinori Iwamura (L)
S – Dioner Navarro (S)
R – Elijah Dukes (R)
R – B. J. Upton (R)

Incidentally, here's who's replacing whom for the Yankees:

Who's Replacing Whom?

Full seasons of Bobby Abreu and Hideki Matsui replace Bernie Williams and Gary Sheffield
Doug Mientkiewicz replaces Craig Wilson, Aaron Guiel and some of Melky Cabrera
Josh Phelps replaces Andy Phillips
Wil Nieves replaces Sal Fasano and Kelly Stinnett
Andy Pettitte replaces Randy Johnson
Kei Igawa replaces Jaret Wright
Carl Pavano replaces Shawn Chacon and Cory Lidle
Luis Vizcaino replaces Ron Villone
Sean Henn replaces T.J. Beam, Aaron Small, Scott Erickson etc.

Comments (504)
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2007-04-02 09:31:25
1.   C2Coke
Let's get the game started!!!! half an hour.
2007-04-02 09:46:36
2.   C2Coke
"more Casey Fossum, Jae Seo, and busted Dodgers prospect Edwin Jackson..." = trouble?

For me, Cliff was completely right on the radio, it is indeed Pavano's break or make day today. I really think he's already got more chances than he deserves thus far. He's gotta show he's determined to do his job this season.

2007-04-02 09:47:07
3.   Shaun P
Hard to believe opening day is finally here. How's the weather in the City? Its raining, cold, and dreary up here in Massachusetts - so it doesn't quite feel like Opening Day, but I'll take it.
2007-04-02 10:01:10
4.   Zack
Woohoo!! first game thread since, well, lets not talk about the past, because in 1 minute, that's all it is! Weather here in San Diego is perfect, don't have to go to work until 12 so I can get in an hour and a half and tape the rest. Life is good!
2007-04-02 10:07:00
5.   Zack
And Robbie Cano has officailly now been in a national tv commercial (for those crappy New Era hats). He's ready for the big time...
2007-04-02 10:10:42
6.   C2Coke
The weather is not perfect in NY but I'd take any kind of Opening Day!
2007-04-02 10:11:00
7.   Simone
WTH! I came home for the game and it isn't on ESPN.
2007-04-02 10:12:46
8.   Simone
It's okay! I found the game on another channel. I'm calm again.
2007-04-02 10:12:56
9.   Zack
Are you in the YES aread Simone? If so, its proably covered by them
2007-04-02 10:13:08
10.   C2Coke
What is that chant in the stands? Anyone understands?
2007-04-02 10:13:15
11.   Zack
oops, nevermind

Ok, Pavano, settle it down...

2007-04-02 10:14:03
12.   atc
10 we want Bernie...
2007-04-02 10:15:08
13.   Zack
12 Silly Yankee fans don't know whats best for them...
2007-04-02 10:15:14
14.   C2Coke
12 I see, thanks. Well..I want Bernie too!
2007-04-02 10:15:45
15.   Shaun P
I understand, from reading the Griddle, that MLB's 'new' Gameday interface is slow and RAM-heavy. Any suggestions for an interface to use? Gamecast (ESPN) seems to be missing some data - like the lineups and the box score.
2007-04-02 10:17:03
16.   Zack
I love it, Posada screws up, A rod has to cover, and gets booed, like I said, Yankee fans don't know whats best for them...

and Shaun, I usually use Yahoo's or ESPN...

2007-04-02 10:17:25
17.   atc
I thought that Baldelli ball was long gone off the bat. That didn't take long for Arod.
2007-04-02 10:18:12
18.   C2Coke
13 It is true I am silly.
2007-04-02 10:19:04
19.   RIYank
17 The wind blew it back, I believe.
2007-04-02 10:19:48
20.   Zack
18 Aren't we all?

Seems quiet on the Banter today. I was expecting a 500+ thread today...

2007-04-02 10:20:47
21.   C2Coke
The boo birds started already? Man, why can't they relax at the Stadium for the first day? Don't we all have a bigger problem to worry about or at least to observe (aka Pavano)? They need more publicity for Project 13 obviously.

Nice! Phelps is starting!

2007-04-02 10:21:34
22.   mehmattski
20 I'm DVRing the game but I can't resist following on Gamecast (Gameday and won't load for me at work). I can't imagine this went over well:

"Ty Wigginton continues to bat after dropped foul fly ball to A. Rodriguez"

2007-04-02 10:21:56
23.   thelarmis
bernie - according to pete abe, he called the clubhouse this morning, spoke to torre, jeter & jorgie and says he still wants to play this year

20 word. i was expecting a packed house here. it's still early.

that's two years in a row for damon getting an opening day hit in his first PA. nice.

2007-04-02 10:22:08
24.   tommyl
Anyone know why sportsline doesn't have the gamecenter working? I don't have flash at work (linux) so I can't run it off espn or :(
2007-04-02 10:23:36
25.   Shaun P
I just hope the boos for A-Rod aren't the lead story tomorrow.

I'm glad that Jeter didn't try to bunt Damon over. =)

2007-04-02 10:24:15
26.   atc
23 I think Damon struckout against Zito to start the season last year.
2007-04-02 10:24:54
27.   Zack
I'd chalk it all up to first game of the year quirks Tommy.

On another note, I checked out's new 700k stream for the yes feed today, and its awesome...

2007-04-02 10:25:02
28.   C2Coke
I can't believe they didn't get a better picture for Abreu this year for Gameday. One would think 5 months is long enough to take a head shot.

20 Same here. But it's a long afternoon.

2007-04-02 10:25:30
29.   mehmattski
26 Correct.

2007-04-02 10:25:47
30.   tommyl
27 Can't live without live updates....argh....
2007-04-02 10:26:20
31.   RIYank
Here comes a big At Bat, huh?
2007-04-02 10:26:27
32.   Zack
26 if not that, something else...

Good old Bobby leaving off right where he started...

A-Rod gets a nice standing O, a half inning after booing him in the field, and probably a few pitches before booing him

2007-04-02 10:26:42
33.   Shaun P
27 Yes, but could one put it on a 30+ inch HD TV and be happy? Of course, it sounds like an EI deal will be worked out, so it might be a moot question.
2007-04-02 10:27:20
34.   C2Coke
Abreu so does not need spring training.

Those sound like biggest cheers thus far, no?

2007-04-02 10:27:27
35.   RIYank
For those w/o updates:
Abreu singles, A-Rod up with runners on first and second...
Count is 1-1.
2007-04-02 10:28:17
36.   Zack
33 Could you put ANYTHING not Hd on such a tv and have it look good next to hd? The biggest thing I have found about hdtv is that it just makes all "regular" tv look so lame...
2007-04-02 10:28:28
37.   RIYank
Count runs to 2-2.
2007-04-02 10:28:36
38.   thelarmis
26 ah, you are correct, thanks! i think maybe i'm thinking the home opener? too much cold medicine...
2007-04-02 10:28:45
39.   Zack
Arod stares at a nasty slow change right down the middle...
2007-04-02 10:29:34
40.   Zack
By the way, Arod batting 4th and Giambi 5th, me likey...

And Arod ks and the boos, as predicted, start...

2007-04-02 10:29:40
41.   RIYank
A-Rod strikes out on a full count. Runners were going, no throw. Second and third two outs for Giambi.


2007-04-02 10:29:52
42.   Shaun P
So, what's the crowd reaction to the K?
2007-04-02 10:30:56
43.   Zack
mixed reaction, some boos, some groans...
2007-04-02 10:31:09
44.   RIYank
Giambi runs the count to 3-1. (Am I helping anyone with the slow progress report? I think I'll stop unless I hear a "helz yeah".)
2007-04-02 10:31:19
45.   atc
42 decently loud booing, with Michael Kay admonishing the fans who promised to be so patient this year.
2007-04-02 10:31:51
46.   RIYank
2007-04-02 10:31:53
47.   Zack
Kazmir up into the high 20s in pitch count already...
2007-04-02 10:32:19
48.   atc
The Giambino!
2007-04-02 10:32:21
49.   Simone
Yeah, Jason! First runs for the season.
2007-04-02 10:32:25
50.   rsmith51
perhaps the Yanks should send up all LH
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2007-04-02 10:32:59
51.   RIYank
Very, very sweet. Giambi singles, almost to dead center, line drive. Two rbi. Matsui's turn to make Kaz throw a lot of pitches.
2007-04-02 10:33:12
52.   Zack
Giambi shows up Arod with a two run single...

Scotty k looks rusty and off, not too surprising...

2007-04-02 10:33:30
53.   C2Coke
Giambi is ready too! Nice swing.
2007-04-02 10:34:11
54.   RIYank
50 Against Kasmir, I'd say so. (Lefties hit him better, for some reason.)
2007-04-02 10:34:21
55.   Knuckles
Why swing at that 3-0 pitch? C'mon!
2007-04-02 10:34:38
56.   atc
I hope Pavano doesn't get too cold sitting for this long.
2007-04-02 10:35:12
57.   C2Coke
20 So how about that 500 posts now? The first inning is yet to finish.
2007-04-02 10:35:22
58.   3rd gen yankee fan
20 I'm here, just trying to get the media working... premium runs like crrrrrrrrap on my mac, and bf's trying to get it to run on his pc... good thing it's a free trial!!!
2007-04-02 10:35:24
59.   Zack
Giambi def. has the hair flowing out of the back of the helmet and the scruffy face...
2007-04-02 10:35:53
60.   RIYank
Nicely done: Godzilla walks on Kasmir's 30th pitch. We'll get into their pen early. Maybe very, very early!
2007-04-02 10:36:20
61.   C2Coke
55 He wanted Kazmir to pitch a few more and then take the walk.
2007-04-02 10:37:04
62.   jkay
A-Rod leads the league in strikeouts and errors.
2007-04-02 10:37:49
63.   C2Coke
60 It's Pavano's lucky day?
2007-04-02 10:37:58
64.   Eirias
Hooray! Damn! The Yankees are winning! I have Kazmir as my 5th SP in my fantasy league!
2007-04-02 10:38:35
65.   Zack
Kazmir on pace to throw 3 innings, which is perfect, since the Drays BP is worse than the Sox, and thats bad...
2007-04-02 10:38:37
66.   Knuckles
I installed MLB Mosaic on my work computer this morning and it's slow as balls. Premium looks no better than regular...I wasn't expecting much on this POS but they both better work and look good on my Apple at home.
2007-04-02 10:39:14
67.   Shawn Clap
62 ...and has the lowest batting average with runners in scoring position.
2007-04-02 10:39:28
68.   Zack
64 I think the #1 rule of fantasy baseball is never start a sp, no matter how good, against your team (and against the Yanks its just a good idea anyway, unless it is Adam Loewen of course)
2007-04-02 10:39:35
69.   RIYank
60 Yeah. Well, let's hope so.
2007-04-02 10:41:17
70.   Eirias
Yeah, it is my first league.
2007-04-02 10:41:29
71.   Zack
Did all you premuim folks make sure to click on the 700k feed, cause on my mac it looks awesome...

Also, make sure you have flip4mac installed 58

2007-04-02 10:41:43
72.   Alex Belth
I was watching the first inning with some Yankee fans at lunch. The A Rod story is already killing me. I don't think I've ever seen a situation where so many Yankee fans have hated one of their own players like this.
2007-04-02 10:42:09
73.   C2Coke
62 Gotta admit I laughed a little.
2007-04-02 10:43:11
74.   Zack
72 I agree, I mean, how can Pavano be accepted and Arod not?

Jeter makes an error and gets no boos :)

2007-04-02 10:43:28
75.   RIYank
ShaunP 15, Gamecast does have the line-up and box score. Click "NYY Stats", for instance.

Ouch. Our infield not looking good so far.

2007-04-02 10:43:40
76.   Zack
And Phelps makes his case for Doug out to start, lets hope he keeps hitting
2007-04-02 10:44:37
77.   rabid stan
62 Jeter ties A-Rod for the league-lead in errors. Also, both are in the ML basement in BA/OBA/SLG
2007-04-02 10:45:33
78.   Zack
Pavano looks like sucha frump in his uniform..Its all baggy and fits him all wrong, especially from the back.
2007-04-02 10:46:36
79.   C2Coke
72, 74 That's a puzzle that can't be solved. Arod had a good at bat despite the K...
2007-04-02 10:46:41
80.   rabid stan
78 It's the polyester. They should wear cotton uniforms. Cotton breaths.
2007-04-02 10:47:03
81.   atc
74 I think it's because the vast majority of fans only know what the Joel Shermans and Mike Lupicas of the world tell them. That doesn't explain Pavano though.
2007-04-02 10:47:04
82.   Shaun P
75 Thanks RIYank. I think it didn't load originally for some reason. So far Gameday is working OK for me, so I think I'm going to stick to that.
2007-04-02 10:48:26
83.   C2Coke
78 The jersey never got a chance to shrink a little in the dryer.
2007-04-02 10:49:05
84.   RIYank
82 Gameday works a lot better, if you don't have speed problems with the reloads.

Cripes. Walking Dukes in that situation, not good.

2007-04-02 10:49:59
85.   atc
2007-04-02 10:50:15
86.   RIYank
Jeez. Unearned run, but damn. Now Crawford with a chance to do some real damage.
2007-04-02 10:50:22
87.   Zack
For someone who is clearly attractive to the ladies (just look at the GF list), he sure looks lke a goof in uniform...

And theres the Jeter range factor to haunt us, and combined with his error, costs us a run. But, you know, he's Derek :)

2007-04-02 10:50:39
88.   Knuckles
Ahh, that signature New York-Italian dish: Pasta Divingjetah...
2007-04-02 10:51:11
89.   Knuckles
atc beat me to it. apologies.
2007-04-02 10:52:28
90.   JPost
Anyone else watching on ESPN? Shit is annoying, fucking Ravich is a Die-Hard Sawx fan that bastard
2007-04-02 10:52:41
91.   atc
89 That ball wasn't even that far up the middle.
2007-04-02 10:53:35
92.   Shaun P
88 That's pretty funny, Knuckles. Are we going to see that worked into a Bronx Comix panel?
2007-04-02 10:54:14
93.   rabid stan
Some short-stops don't even need to dive for it.

Cano K's.

2007-04-02 10:54:22
94.   tommyl
90 Ahhh, first ESPN bitch of the season :). How I've missed that.
2007-04-02 10:54:57
95.   RIYank
Robbie didn't get the memo. Let's see a bunch of pitches, now.
2007-04-02 10:55:32
96.   3rd gen yankee fan
71 Sure do have flip4mac, thanks... seems like folks are having mixed results on both platforms.
2007-04-02 10:55:38
97.   Zack
Phelps is a goofy lookin guy too, gangly with a big schnoz...
2007-04-02 10:55:58
98.   RIYank
Ah, that's more like it. Phelps did get the memo.
2007-04-02 10:56:16
99.   Zack
96 was worth a shot...Are you using firefox?
2007-04-02 10:56:33
100.   Knuckles
92 I've already got it created and queued for a relevant day...can't say I invented the remark though, I think it's one of those jokes that probably 1,000 people could all put a claim on.

Robby needs to take #22 back.

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2007-04-02 10:56:36
101.   JPost
Good walk by Phelps. C'mon joohhnnyy
2007-04-02 10:58:29
102.   Zack
Darn, I'm getting close to the time where I need to start thinking about how far I can push it until I head to work and not be late...sigh
2007-04-02 10:58:31
103.   RIYank
Captain takes one for the team.
2007-04-02 10:58:41
104.   C2Coke
96 If you can't get it fixed, call MLB. They sometimes already know the problems they have. Now don't aks why they haven't repair those known technical problems.

How long before we see the relievers of the Rays?

2007-04-02 10:58:59
105.   rabid stan
92 MPH fastball off the back foot.
2007-04-02 10:59:26
106.   3rd gen yankee fan
99 But of course. :-)
2007-04-02 11:01:06
107.   C2Coke
102 You can always check back here.
2007-04-02 11:01:14
108.   3rd gen yankee fan
Is Jetes okay?
2007-04-02 11:01:21
109.   thelarmis
90 yeah, i'm watching ESPN. how 'bout when Kruk was talking about Phelps is here b/c of his glove and anything he does with the bat is bonus. it's not like there was 6 weeks of ST to do any kind of research homework. nice job, kruk...
2007-04-02 11:01:27
110.   Zack
Yeah, I say go with 104 if you haven't already. Rather than us running an online repair service and recomending things you did an hour ago...

No reason to be drastic and use a pc, lets not be extreme here :)

2007-04-02 11:01:33
111.   RIYank
Well, no hits, but Kaz up to 52 pitches. I bet he's out after the fourth, even if we don't whack him again. He'll be on a very short leash.
2007-04-02 11:03:39
112.   C2Coke
108 He actually groaned. Definitely a bruise I'd say.

Murcer is on right now. He looks great!!

2007-04-02 11:04:33
113.   RIYank
Good job, Meat.
Huh, Jetes has to find the range!
2007-04-02 11:05:23
114.   mikeplugh
Joining BB late today. Up at 3am in Japan to watch OPENING DAY!!! I love this. Who needs sleep?
2007-04-02 11:05:25
115.   OldYanksFan
87 Jetes actual dove past that ball... went under his arm.
It's time for
... after Crawford steals a base.. "That's what make this a GREAT team"
... Matsui makes a decent/routine catch.. "GREAT play by Matsui"

It's so stupid. Everything is GREAT with Kruk. Does he think he's doing a Little League game?

On a dark, damp, windy day, that pop that ARod missed was not an easy play.

Phelps tries to catch, instead of block Jete's bad throw.

Pavano has been decent. Our fielding and throwing has been p*ss poor (notice the throw into 3rd from Damon? 10' offline from short CF).

We'll chalk it up to rust.

Anybody see the PhD Mathimatician who predicted the Yanks win 110?

2007-04-02 11:05:28
116.   Yankee Fan In Boston
112 even better than a lead on opening day.
2007-04-02 11:05:38
117.   atc
I refuse to pay $40 for it, but the Extra Innings game mix channel is pretty sweet.
2007-04-02 11:05:48
118.   C2Coke
For the ones who don't have YES:

Murcer not only looks great (and looks cool with the new bald style), sounds energetic. He's expressing his gratitude for all the care, concern, and love he received over the past months.

He said he can't imagine missing the Opening Day.

2007-04-02 11:05:52
119.   Yankee Fan In Boston
116 re:murcer
2007-04-02 11:07:48
120.   RIYank
Pavano maybe finding the groove? 51 pitches through three innings, though.
2007-04-02 11:07:50
121.   C2Coke
115 I think the ball hit him according to the close replay with sound by YES.
2007-04-02 11:09:04
122.   C2Coke
115 Sorry I misunderstood what you were talking about.
2007-04-02 11:09:51
123.   Zack
Grady Sizemore jsut hits a leadoff HR for Cleveland. My top pick and mvp candidate lookin good...

Just showed Murcer on ESPN, lookin good Bobby!

2007-04-02 11:09:52
124.   tommyl
120 But he threw 10-20 more because of Jeter's error. He faced 3 more batter that inning. Let him get through 6 without giving up a ton of runs and I'll be happy. Strike that, he needs to wake up tomorrow and not go on the DL.
2007-04-02 11:09:56
125.   C2Coke
Now that's huge ovation for Murcer.
2007-04-02 11:13:32
126.   Zack
Kruck: "Well you talk about what an extra base means, what it is, and well, an extra base hit doesn't give the other team a chance to turn a double play"

Really Kruck, is that what it does? Is that why its good to hit doubles and triples? I thought it was because it puts runners in scoring position and often knocks in runners, but what do I know??

2007-04-02 11:13:42
127.   rsmith51
115 Apparently he predicted the Yanks would win 114 and 117 the last two years so take it with a grain of salt.
2007-04-02 11:13:53
128.   Sliced Bread
118 Bobby's in good humor, too, as he compared his completely shaved head to the Britney Spears noggin.
Never thought I'd hear Bobby say the words "Britney Spears."
It was akin to hearing Bob Sheppard say:
"Ladies and gentlemen, your attention please. Now batting, Paris Hilton."
2007-04-02 11:14:33
129.   thelarmis
damn, i missed the murcer segment on espn. boo. i did hear it and it sure sounded huge. here's hopin' they show it again later...
2007-04-02 11:14:42
130.   OldYanksFan
When does Kazmir start to make big bucks? I'd rather get him then pay $150m for Santana.

Anyone notice the pitch location of Giambi's hit? Low and outside half of the plate... a ball he would have missed or hit weakly last year. I won't say he's trying to go the other way, but maybe he's not trying to pull everything.

2007-04-02 11:15:16
131.   Zack
Well, I'm off to work, I turn the game over to my fellow Banterers, take care of our boys...
2007-04-02 11:15:21
132.   atc
It only took three inning for Michael Kay to call the "younger generation of Yankee fans" spoiled.
2007-04-02 11:15:59
133.   weeping for brunnhilde
Happy Opening Day, everyone!!

You know, it just feels different. I've been watching a little spring training, it's not as if I've literally not seen baseball in months, yet it feels like it.

Time begins indeed.

Poignant stuff with Bobby.

2007-04-02 11:17:43
134.   weeping for brunnhilde
130 Nice observation.

We'll see.

I think he'd normally take that one, it was just outside of his personal zone, I think, but we'll see...

2007-04-02 11:18:39
135.   weeping for brunnhilde
130 Sorry, I was thinking of the last at bat, the called strike three.

I missed his first ab.

2007-04-02 11:19:17
136.   RIYank
Okay, there ya go. Jeter redeems; Pavano in the groove.


2007-04-02 11:21:41
137.   RIYank
130 Yeah, good quesiton. Let's see, he was drafted in 2002. He has a one-year contract. Does that mean he's a restricted FA at the end of the season? (I'm an idiot about these things, sorry.)
2007-04-02 11:21:45
138.   OldYanksFan
It's time for SNL to do a routine with Joe Morgan and John Kruk calling a game for a class of 1st graders, and cutting to kids correcting their language, stats, rolling their eyes, and other ways of expressing just how dumb these guys are.

Is ESPN (and Fox) that lame? With their choice of just about ANY announcer on the planet, where do they find Kruk, Morgan, McCarver, et al?

It is near impossible to get any decent analysis of the game. Wheres Kaat when you need him?

2007-04-02 11:21:51
139.   C2Coke
Is Pavano really really really pitching ok?

128 Yea, he is enjoying it!

129 I am sure and I hope they will. It's really a much better and bigger news than Arod (I am not being sarcastic here).

2007-04-02 11:22:14
140.   weeping for brunnhilde

Did you see that?

Now that is off-field hitting!!

2007-04-02 11:22:15
141.   atc
Posada CRUSHED that ball!
2007-04-02 11:22:26
142.   Yankee Fan In Boston
comeback carl. spinning a gem... (for pavano).

4 innings without an earned run?

all aboard the 'wagon.

2007-04-02 11:22:46
143.   RIYank
JUICED one! Opposite field. And I was going to say he should be batting lefty.
2007-04-02 11:23:09
144.   C2Coke
JORGE! He is obviously showing his love for Murcer in the best way!
2007-04-02 11:23:16
145.   nyyfan22
That was an awesome segue from Murcer's grand slam to Jorge's HR!

Quick, pull the Bucky Dent tape.

2007-04-02 11:23:32
146.   thelarmis
2007-04-02 11:23:37
147.   Yankee Fan In Boston
posada is on pace to crush a record 162 HRs this season.
2007-04-02 11:23:48
148.   Simone
2007-04-02 11:24:13
149.   OldYanksFan
Cano hits a medium deep fly to left and "Crawford is gonna keep this one in the yard". Guy must be better then I thought.
2007-04-02 11:24:44
150.   RIYank
147 Let's say 145, to be realistic. He won't play every game.
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2007-04-02 11:25:26
151.   OldYanksFan
It's now official? Pavano is a 'True Yankee'?
2007-04-02 11:25:49
152.   atc
I am really enjoying the Josh Phelps era so far.
2007-04-02 11:26:00
153.   weeping for brunnhilde
I much prefer the view from behind the plate, it's much more intense, the batter's perspective.

It's much more real, and you see things about the art of hitting, about how hard it is to actually hit a baseball much better, I think.

I wish they'd use it far, far more often.

What do we think?

2007-04-02 11:26:25
154.   RIYank
Phelps taking a cue from Posada, looks like. Trying to hit the same way.
Oh, but he's earning the 1B job in my heart, anyway, and I don't care about his missing that pick-up in the first inning. Two very nice walks.
74rd pitch coming up for Kasmir.
2007-04-02 11:26:31
155.   3rd gen yankee fan
diggin this phelps kid!
2007-04-02 11:26:45
156.   rsmith51
Phelps on pace for 324 BB.
2007-04-02 11:27:02
157.   Yankee Fan In Boston
150 if people can predict the sox winning 110+ games this year (that is what i read earlier in the thread, right?), we can give jorge an extra 17 HRs or so. he's earned that.
2007-04-02 11:27:42
158.   Yankee Fan In Boston
156 thanks. i was reaching for the calculator...
2007-04-02 11:28:17
159.   rsmith51
So a walk is not success? Or is it an incomplete?
2007-04-02 11:28:26
160.   RIYank
Damon doing the job, too. This is good. No way Kasmir pitches next inning.
2007-04-02 11:28:27
161.   weeping for brunnhilde
Man, Damon.

Tough pitch to take.

2007-04-02 11:29:48
162.   OldYanksFan
The Banter is alive and well.
Welcome back ladies and gentleman.
I have missed your brilliance and wit.
(Thanks again Alex and Cliff).

(I feel much better now)

2007-04-02 11:29:53
163.   RIYank
Hm, so really Posada ought to bat behind Phelps, don't you think? You got your 2.000 slugger right after your 1.000 OBP guy that way.
2007-04-02 11:30:45
164.   C2Coke
151 In my heart, he is close to earning another chance to try and do his job only. What "true Yankee", that is a phrase that doesn't exist in my dictionary regarding pavano.

Hello, Ray's bullpen?

2007-04-02 11:30:59
165.   RIYank
Yow. Jeter with crummy plate appearances today. Maybe that k-pitch was actually low, though.

Let's go DO-nuts.

2007-04-02 11:31:41
166.   weeping for brunnhilde
He's really good, this Kasmir. Now I see what the Mets fans were on about.

He's my kind of pitcher.

Man, look at that control.

That strike three to Jeter was a little low, of course, but Kasmir put it exactly where he wanted it.

And he's got a good slider.

2007-04-02 11:32:03
167.   RIYank
Well, let's see if I'm right about Kazmir next inning.
2007-04-02 11:32:21
168.   OldYanksFan
Jete's having a very rough day.
(some supermodel is in for a long night).
2007-04-02 11:32:42
169.   weeping for brunnhilde
162 Right on!

Right on.

2007-04-02 11:32:48
170.   C2Coke
That was a low pitch to the Cap...

Continue to get well, Murcer!

2007-04-02 11:33:19
171.   OldYanksFan
A 'True Pitcher'?
A 'True Ballplayer'?
A 'True Pavano'?
2007-04-02 11:34:04
172.   Yankee Fan In Boston
163 that is some front office insight, my friend. hell... bat them 1 and 2, y'know? let's get them some more at bats...
2007-04-02 11:34:30
173.   monkeypants
OK, mosaic is all frogged up on my computer (it refuses to accept my billing address--which is in Canada--for verification, and now it has been 'loading' for an hour). I called and they said they were 'working on it.' The 700k stream is choppy. I'm not paying over $100 for this.
2007-04-02 11:34:53
174.   C2Coke
167 I seriously doubt it.

162 Can I join your cheering?

2007-04-02 11:35:05
175.   RIYank
Pavano may not quite have earned his stripes yet.
2007-04-02 11:35:10
176.   weeping for brunnhilde
Hanging slider.

No break.

2007-04-02 11:36:21
177.   C2Coke
171 I am just hoping he can stay in true health.
2007-04-02 11:37:25
178.   Yankee Fan In Boston
151 heh... i just caught that.

sit back and enjoy the show. we are witnessing a historical ascendance from the depths of the DL all the way to the majestic heights of league averageness.

comeback carl is spinning (what is for him) an absolute gem!

2007-04-02 11:37:36
179.   C2Coke
173 I was skeptical about the Premium package so decided to stay with regular. So far, it's going well and better than last year.
2007-04-02 11:38:30
180.   Yankee Fan In Boston
178 uhhh....
2007-04-02 11:38:32
181.   weeping for brunnhilde
Well that was sloppy.
2007-04-02 11:39:10
182.   RIYank
I'm just hoping this isn't a little microcosm harbinger kinda thing. Bad defense, and explosive Pavano to erase all that nice Yankee hitting.
2007-04-02 11:39:23
183.   JPost
Phelps is really showing some leather today
2007-04-02 11:39:35
184.   weeping for brunnhilde
Another standard-issue game against Tampa.
2007-04-02 11:39:41
185.   C2Coke
Oh oh...

And what's with the infield?

Phelps, another DH is making?

2007-04-02 11:39:55
186.   nyyfan22
Is Pavano really slow to the plate, or does Jorge just need to get in the groove with throwing to 2B?
2007-04-02 11:39:56
187.   rsmith51
11th in defense????

What does that mean?

2007-04-02 11:40:23
188.   Yankee Fan In Boston
but if pavano can match kazmir's production all season... awww nuts. i'll see how this plays out.
2007-04-02 11:40:31
189.   C2Coke
185 *in making...
2007-04-02 11:40:37
190.   RIYank
Wow, what a break. An out not creditable to the pitching or the defense!
2007-04-02 11:40:47
191.   Eirias
I don't know about Phelps; such defense and his BA is a league low 0.000.
2007-04-02 11:41:14
192.   weeping for brunnhilde
Well said, Joe, "He was trying to get a hit and move the runner."
2007-04-02 11:41:32
193.   C2Coke
Young man is too eager...
2007-04-02 11:42:46
194.   weeping for brunnhilde
Christ, look at the speed on these people!

I had no expectation he'd score on that ball, that was laced!

2007-04-02 11:43:07
195.   C2Coke
191 Well, that two walks was nice.

5 inninngs into the game, is it wrong to say that the only one who will be able to prevent Arod from being the headline tomorrow is Pavano?

2007-04-02 11:43:30
196.   RIYank
Well, nice to see you, Carl. Come back real soon.
2007-04-02 11:43:42
197.   Eirias
195 I was kidding.
2007-04-02 11:44:35
198.   mikeplugh
Pavano wasn't awful, but showed why the inability to strike batters out is a noose for right handed pitchers.
2007-04-02 11:44:41
199.   rsmith51
So does 5k Phillips = 1 E Phelps?
2007-04-02 11:45:03
200.   C2Coke
Pavano actually got cheers...not that he did that bad but the fans in the stands can be really unfair...
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2007-04-02 11:45:07
201.   Shawn Clap
Poor Carl. He's been waiting a couple of years now for that elusive Career Win #62.
2007-04-02 11:46:04
202.   Yankee Fan In Boston
196 he shall rise like a mighty phoenix, soaring to average production that will send shivers of terror down opponents' spines.
2007-04-02 11:46:59
203.   weeping for brunnhilde
Man, hit and run, hit and run.

I gotta love the game on these Tampas.

2007-04-02 11:47:08
204.   OldYanksFan
195 How about 'All the bad defense $180 can buy'?
2007-04-02 11:47:27
205.   OldYanksFan
Make that $180 million...
2007-04-02 11:47:38
206.   rabid stan

D-Rays Bull-Pen


2007-04-02 11:47:39
207.   RIYank
Good game for Posada.
2007-04-02 11:48:01
208.   C2Coke
Bruney looks funny bald. Murcer looks way better bald.

Wang...get well soon and get yourself back to NY.

2007-04-02 11:48:04
209.   Yankee Fan In Boston
200 that is likely due to my "project 45" website promoting my "cheers are better than jeers" philosophy.

...for mr. pavano, that is.

be gentle, people. the soundwaves created by excessive booing could potentially shatter his tibia.

2007-04-02 11:49:41
210.   C2Coke
204 Nice!

203 I seriously get dizzy sometimes watching them run.

2007-04-02 11:49:45
211.   RIYank
204 205 You have to keep straight how much it costs, on the one hand, and how much it's worth, on the other.

Here we go, A-lex, here we go!

2007-04-02 11:50:38
212.   weeping for brunnhilde

Look at Andy, suddenly the Elder Statesman!

I love it.

2007-04-02 11:51:51
213.   C2Coke
209 LOL!

Pettitte is gotta be a nice person, who befriends Pavano, no?

2007-04-02 11:52:25
214.   nyyfan22
Lo/Jack was on the phone threatening to pull their advertisement money, so Big Stein paid Delmon Young to take the fall. On his way back to the dugout, he was heard saying, "It wasn't me! I'm a patsy! I'm just a patsy!".
2007-04-02 11:53:12
215.   RIYank
Dang, Kasmir's going deeper than Pavano.
I'm surprised, given his troubles last year. It doesn't seem like they should be letting him throw 90 pitches today.
2007-04-02 11:54:08
216.   C2Coke
215 Well, he can now be the winning wasn't so 30 minutes ago.
2007-04-02 11:55:55
217.   rbj
Gah, wha' happened? Left at 1:30 to take the dog to the vet for his annual, Yanks up 2-0, now it's 5-3, wid 3 errors? Me no like.
2007-04-02 11:56:46
218.   nemecizer
Is it too early to panic about the season?

Bring up Hughes, buy Clemens, and put the hit out on Matsuzaka now!!!!

2007-04-02 11:57:19
219.   C2Coke
Melky is in early.
2007-04-02 11:57:37
220.   OldYanksFan
Our D was like a double shot of Adrenaline for Kazmir.
2007-04-02 11:57:47
221.   weeping for brunnhilde
217 Speed, errors and linedrives happened.
2007-04-02 11:59:05
222.   RIYank
Damon felt a twinge, I think.
2007-04-02 11:59:26
223.   weeping for brunnhilde
I swear, it's one line drive after another with these people.

Fundamental baseball.

A joy to behold.

2007-04-02 12:00:12
224.   nemecizer
219 Why is Damon out so early? Did he hurt himself?
2007-04-02 12:00:47
225.   rbj
221 Thanks.
It is definitely too early to panic -- wait until Thursday.
2007-04-02 12:01:52
226.   RIYank
Suzyn W. thinks Damon might have felt something when he made the throw in to A-Rod.
2007-04-02 12:02:19
227.   C2Coke
217 The errors explain part of the score, and the same old stealing by the Rays, and Pavano lost it fast in the 5th. Two innings ago, it completely felt like an exciting Opening Day, not so much now...this is more like a tiring cold day in September.

218 It's way too early. Take a deep breath and remember the Yankees always had strange performances against the Devil Rays.

Hello, Mr. Proctor. Now this is early...

2007-04-02 12:02:39
228.   weeping for brunnhilde
Btw, I don't think it can be said enough, Cano is a top-flight second-baseman.

He's really got talent.

2007-04-02 12:03:30
229.   RIYank
An acceptable inning from Henn.
2007-04-02 12:04:20
230.   C2Coke
227 That said, I am still super happy it's Opening Day...
2007-04-02 12:04:55
231.   weeping for brunnhilde

"Two innings ago, it completely felt like an exciting Opening Day, not so much now...this is more like a tiring cold day in September."


Very well said.

2007-04-02 12:05:23
232.   C2Coke
224 Don't know yet, YES said they will find out ASAP.

228 WORD!

2007-04-02 12:06:11
233.   nemecizer
Okay, I've decided to go ahead and panic, even if it is too early.


Dammit, Pavanomaas, I actually had hope for this game...

2007-04-02 12:06:42
234.   C2Coke
Another inning for Kazmir?? The manager obviously doesn't like their bullpen nearly as much as we do.
2007-04-02 12:07:34
235.   rabid stan
Johnny has cramps.
2007-04-02 12:07:37
236.   weeping for brunnhilde
Kazmir's really good. And I have to point out that it's against precisely these kinds of pitchers that we have trouble with, because everyone's trying to pull everything all the time.

Jorgie's going the other way was a classic case (in my mind) of situational hitting.

The others still keep trying to pull the ball off a guy with amazing control.

(As Jorgie fouls away the 3-2, trying to pull.)

2007-04-02 12:07:54
237.   Yankee Fan In Boston
i just hope that jim dean is handling this well. his silence is deafening.
2007-04-02 12:08:21
238.   weeping for brunnhilde
A terrific ab by Jorgie.
2007-04-02 12:08:29
239.   RIYank
Oh, too bad. Posada's slugging pct drops.
2007-04-02 12:09:03
240.   rabid stan
Nice check, Robbie.
2007-04-02 12:09:17
241.   weeping for brunnhilde
And btw, with Cano?

Is anyone a little uncomfortable by how he concedes the outside corner?

He stands so far off the plate.

2007-04-02 12:09:35
242.   Rob Middletown CT
I hope it's just cramps for Damon. See... Melky's gonna get plenty of playing time. Cramps here, aches there, etc with the starting 3 we have.

WTG, Jorge. Nice, 2-3 off Kazmir, who should be done now, no? Up over 100 pitches.

I wish I wasn't stuck at work, so I could watch... though the errors would've really pissed me off.

2007-04-02 12:09:47
243.   rbj
Tying run at the plate.

I do have to say, at least Carl pitched in a real game.

2007-04-02 12:10:18
244.   C2Coke
Jorge is carrying that scoring responsibility right on his shoulder with ease.

Damon has cramps.

2007-04-02 12:10:57
245.   rbj
2007-04-02 12:11:08
246.   nemecizer
Kazmir is going to give up 3 runs this inning. So I have commanded, so let it be...
2007-04-02 12:11:13
247.   weeping for brunnhilde


2007-04-02 12:11:15
248.   Rob Middletown CT
The only concern I have about Cano is his ability to work the count (or lack thereof). I don't think he's too far off the plate - the man hit .342 last year. Even assuming he got some lucky bounces, the man can clearly hit. What he still doesn't do is walk.
2007-04-02 12:11:31
249.   Knuckles
nice, nice at-bat, Robbie
2007-04-02 12:11:58
250.   rbj
Oh goody, Tampa bullpen! :-)))
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2007-04-02 12:12:18
251.   rabid stan
Alright. Two on, no owt.
2007-04-02 12:12:20
252.   RIYank
Well, they should have pulled Kazmir.
Damon cramps in both calves. Weird. What does that mean?
2007-04-02 12:12:20
253.   3rd gen yankee fan
I freakin love this team. From my internet-only perspective here, it looks great! C'mon guys we're only down by 2!
2007-04-02 12:12:27
254.   rsmith51
Please don't PH Minky!!
That is a DP waiting to happen.
2007-04-02 12:12:44
255.   Shaun P
I can't believe Kazmir is still in there. I know the Rays pen is horrible, but geez, 106 pitches, and counting, no outs, and he's not out of the 6th yet . . .

BTW, I listened to the lead melt away on the radio. It didn't take Sterling and Suzyn very long to start campaigning for Mientkiewicz at first. "Well Jeter should have made a better throw, but Mientkiewicz would have picked that ball out of the dirt." "I don't have anything against Phelps, but this is what's going to happen every time Mientkiewicz isn't out there." Sheesh.

2007-04-02 12:12:50
256.   Rob Middletown CT
107 pitches for Kazmir. With a history of health problems, surely they take him out now?
2007-04-02 12:14:10
257.   C2Coke
243 "...Carl pitched in a real game", who would've thought that could ever be considered as an improvement? For him, it indeed is.

242 Those errors would make you wonder what kind of party the infielders had last night, and that specific thought would make you even more pissed.

2007-04-02 12:14:28
258.   Yankee Fan In Boston
if mientkiewicz gets a hit here, what is the over/under on his consecutive games played beginning tomorrow? anyone?
2007-04-02 12:14:34
259.   OldYanksFan
236 Yes he is, but we had him SERIOUSLY on the ropes. Sloppy D like we had depresses our team and energizes the other.

There's no excuse for (not only) 3 errors but also a few other bad plays.

2007-04-02 12:14:39
260.   weeping for brunnhilde
248 You're right, of course.

I don't really think he's too far off the plate, I'm just saying when I watch him up there, I kind of feel his vulnerability over there.

Just a visceral thing, really.

2007-04-02 12:14:55
261.   Rob Middletown CT
Phelps is certainly responsible for his own error. He may bear some responsibility for Jeter's (I have no idea - I'm "watching" online). The man is not a good defender. That said, most of us think he'll outhit ManCaveItch enough that the glove is acceptable.

By and large, however, it might be wise to play MCI when Pavano or Wang is the SP.

2007-04-02 12:15:02
262.   rabid stan
Well, it wasn't a double-play
2007-04-02 12:15:18
263.   Shaun P
254 Props to Mientkiewicz for seeing 6 pitches. I still like Phelps better.
2007-04-02 12:15:21
264.   weeping for brunnhilde
Did we just actually execute a sacrifice bunt?

How glorious!

2007-04-02 12:15:40
265.   RIYank
So, we bring in our starting first baseman to PH bunt. That may be 'good fundamental baseball', but it doesn't make me happy. I'd prefer a Josh Phelps walk there.
2007-04-02 12:15:46
266.   C2Coke
252 Melky will be the outfielder with the most game appearance?
2007-04-02 12:15:55
267.   rabid stan
2007-04-02 12:16:00
268.   3rd gen yankee fan
um... wow for Minky.
2007-04-02 12:16:38
269.   Rob Middletown CT
Heh. Torre pinch-hits with MCI to have him sac bunt.

Now it's probably true that Phelps can't bunt, but that's pretty funny (in a sad sorta way).

2007-04-02 12:16:43
270.   rabid stan
264 Yeah, we haven't seen that in awhile, huh?
2007-04-02 12:16:54
271.   rbj
Hitting the Melkman? Not cool.

C'mon, Cap'n.

2007-04-02 12:16:58
272.   C2Coke
253 And don't we all just love Devil Ray's bullpen?
2007-04-02 12:16:59
273.   rsmith51
Regardless how this turns out, I HATE the sacrifice bunt. This is a 900+ run offense.
2007-04-02 12:17:09
274.   Shaun P
I was trying to not say it, but I'm hoping most of us are thinking it -

WTF is Mientkiewicz bunting when the Yanks are down 2, against the Rays' bullpen?!?!?!

2007-04-02 12:17:10
275.   Simone
Come on Jeter, get one or two runs in here.
2007-04-02 12:17:11
276.   weeping for brunnhilde
Here we go!

First pitch swinging, or work it?

2007-04-02 12:18:01
277.   rbj
Jeter only has one grand salami, right?
2007-04-02 12:18:15
278.   rsmith51
273 Mind you, I am not opposed to the bunt for a hit.
2007-04-02 12:18:17
279.   weeping for brunnhilde
Should he take on 2-1?
2007-04-02 12:18:41
280.   RIYank
274 I said it, Shaun.
2007-04-02 12:18:41
281.   nyyfan22
Abreu looks mean right there.
2007-04-02 12:18:45
282.   Yankee Fan In Boston
277 but jeets did come up big in last year's home opener against the mighty royals...
2007-04-02 12:18:53
283.   RIYank
Sweet Jete.
2007-04-02 12:19:18
284.   rbj
I'll take that. And Carl's off the hook.
2007-04-02 12:19:22
285.   weeping for brunnhilde
That's baseball!

The sacrifice bunt and the runs brought in with a single up the middle!

2007-04-02 12:19:43
286.   rabid stan
Good stuff.
2007-04-02 12:20:07
287.   Knuckles
Kazmir gets his "Trade Me Face" out of the mothballs, and finds it still fits.
2007-04-02 12:20:14
288.   C2Coke
The Capn gets the "clutch" hit...sorry I couldn't resist...
2007-04-02 12:20:27
289.   Yankee Fan In Boston
pavano lives to lose another day!
2007-04-02 12:20:40
290.   weeping for brunnhilde
If a team can perfect this style of fundamental ball, it's a much more reliable way to score runs than the feast-or-famine, long-ball variety.

So it appears to me.

2007-04-02 12:20:53
291.   rsmith51
For whoever asked, Jeter's error was all him. A LH 1B may have had a chance to scoop it.

That said, I heart Jeter and his bat.

2007-04-02 12:21:30
292.   Yankee Fan In Boston
288 that kind of hit won't show up in the scorebook-- oh... wait... i guess it will.
2007-04-02 12:22:36
293.   C2Coke
287 LOL...Doing your comix touch here?
2007-04-02 12:23:10
294.   Bama Yankee
290 I am with you. You and I might be the only ones who like the sac bunt in that situation.
2007-04-02 12:23:24
295.   rbj
D'oh, Melky!
2007-04-02 12:23:25
296.   weeping for brunnhilde
Oh, Melky.

It's ok, Melk, I love you anyway.

2007-04-02 12:23:26
297.   Simone
Oh, Melky.
2007-04-02 12:23:35
298.   rabid stan
Not good stuff.
2007-04-02 12:24:07
299.   Sliced Bread
no sense crying over spilled Melky
2007-04-02 12:24:33
300.   C2Coke
290 can say that again, and don't forget to include proper baserunning this time.
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2007-04-02 12:24:37
301.   weeping for brunnhilde
294 Right on.

Especially at home.

All we needed to do was tie the ballgame up.

It's ours to lose now.

2007-04-02 12:24:38
302.   Bama Yankee
299 Very nice.
2007-04-02 12:24:43
303.   mikeplugh
Melky runs like a catcher....
2007-04-02 12:24:57
304.   OldYanksFan
arrrrgggggg.... more BAD fundamental baseball. Melkdud has a perfect view of that play. Why is he so far off the bag?
2007-04-02 12:25:09
305.   weeping for brunnhilde
2007-04-02 12:25:26
306.   Sliced Bread
Oy. This is turning into a Yanks-O's game.
2007-04-02 12:25:27
307.   rsmith51
All you little leaguers watching how to play fundamental baseball better start another day. Yikes
2007-04-02 12:25:27
308.   Alex Belth
Would someone describe what happened to Melky there? Just a bonehead play or what?
2007-04-02 12:25:37
309.   C2Coke
Proctor time now?
2007-04-02 12:26:24
310.   Sliced Bread
308 Melky tried to tag up... fell... but could not get back in time.
2007-04-02 12:26:38
311.   OldYanksFan
Win, lose of draw (draw?), this is UGLY!
2007-04-02 12:26:41
312.   RIYank
Okay, look, the sac played no role in that run. Melky was HBP on the next plate appearance.
I'm all for fundamentals... like not falling down. But let's not give away outs.
2007-04-02 12:27:34
313.   C2Coke
308 He stumbled a little, almost tripped. I wonder if the grass is a bit moist?

Oh...I forgot we have a new guy who gets to save Proctor's arm this year.

2007-04-02 12:28:17
314.   OldYanksFan
308 I say bonehead. The play is right in front of him. He's too far off the bag.
2007-04-02 12:29:14
315.   RIYank
313 Do not mock Vizcaino! (Hope I spelled that right.)
He needs a nickname...
2007-04-02 12:29:37
316.   Knuckles
Happiness is...Ben Zobrist being an automatic out between the good hitters in the TB lineup.
2007-04-02 12:29:51
317.   C2Coke
Wow...was that the easiest inning pitched by the Yanks thus far?
2007-04-02 12:30:24
318.   weeping for brunnhilde
312 Hmmm.

Not sure I follow.

Didn't the sacrifice put runners on second and third in the first place?

Could not the pressure of said runners being in scoring position have contributed to Melky's being hit by the pitch?

And did not the basehit up the middle actually score the runners who reached scoring position on the sacrifice?

I don't quite follow...

2007-04-02 12:31:24
319.   C2Coke
315 I am not mocking him I am just relieved for the right arm of Proctor's...and yes Vizcaino NEEDS a nickname.
2007-04-02 12:31:39
320.   mikeplugh
312I agree with you in principle. 99 out of 100 times, I think that's true. I was split down the middle about whether Minky should bunt in that situation, only because he's a bad hitter and a double play would have stung.

If it were ANY other hitter on the team, save maybe Nieves, I think you don't bunt. Minky.....maybe not awful.

2007-04-02 12:31:46
321.   nyyfan22
I thought I read that Ronan Tynan was supposed to sing "God Bless America" during this game...
2007-04-02 12:31:53
322.   rbj
315 The Vizier:
"Vizier \Viz"ier\, n. [Ar. wez[=i]r, waz[=i]r, properly, a bearer of burdens, a porter, from wazara to bear a burden: cf. F. vizir, visir. Cf. Alguazil.] A councilor of state; a high executive officer in Turkey and other Oriental countries. [Written also visier, vizir, and vizer.]"


And it was boneheaded by Melky. Just chalk it up to opening day jitters.

2007-04-02 12:32:03
323.   rsmith51
I want God to bless America(As well as all other countries), but when are the Yanks going to stop playing this for the 7th inning stretch? End of war in Iraq? It becomes less special the more it is done.

(Last time I rant about that this year.)

2007-04-02 12:32:08
324.   rabid stan
312 Considering Minky's problems at the plate this spring, I was happier to see him bunt than swing away.
2007-04-02 12:32:49
325.   rabid stan
320 Beat me to it, Mike.
2007-04-02 12:32:54
326.   RIYank
318 The hit got two rbi, yes. But the bunt merely gave away an out. Yes, it might have put pressure on the pitcher, but there's no particular reason to think that it did.
2007-04-02 12:33:56
327.   rsmith51
Actually, I was relieved that Minky bunted. I preferred Phelps up in that situation.
2007-04-02 12:34:04
328.   weeping for brunnhilde
312 Plus, I think it's unfair to call it "giving away outs."

It's not giving them away, but rather trading them for greater control over the game situation.

Second and third, 1 out is arguably more of an "offensive" position than first and second, no outs, because of the spectre of the DP.

Two runners in scoring position, for a pitcher, means that any kind of single equals two runs.

That's pressure on each pitch, no?

2007-04-02 12:34:04
329.   Rob Middletown CT
Tie ballgame. 'k, I'll take that. Melky slipped/tripped - I'm inclined to just let a bad play, he just lost his footing (right?).

Good inning from the Vizier ;)

2007-04-02 12:34:34
330.   rabid stan
When Crawford finally picked that ball up, it was a little crispy.
2007-04-02 12:35:08
331.   Rob Middletown CT
Damn, rbj beat me to it with the nickname. Great (and mediocre) minds think alike...
2007-04-02 12:35:26
332.   Simone
I'm not a fan of the bunt, but Doug M. can't buy a hit so I won't complain.
2007-04-02 12:35:36
333.   rbj
Yay, Alex!
2007-04-02 12:35:54
334.   RIYank
Yeah, okay, maybe Mientkzyzewski is better off bunting. But man, they pinch hit him! Why not let Phelps hit?

Mean time, nice job by Alex and Jason. Jason is lookin' gooooooood.

2007-04-02 12:36:06
335.   Rob Middletown CT
Svelte ARod with the steal, eh?
2007-04-02 12:36:07
336.   3rd gen yankee fan
woo hooooo!
2007-04-02 12:36:45
337.   rbj
33 My first name is Rob(ert) too. And I grew up in Middletown -- NY.

The Vizier it is.

2007-04-02 12:37:00
338.   weeping for brunnhilde
326 No, it didn't give away an out, it exchanged an out for two runners in sp and for the avoidance of risking making two outs.

Is that not a fair statement?

2007-04-02 12:37:10
339.   Sliced Bread
A-Rod manufactures the go-ahead.
Stick that in yer pipe and boo him why dontcha?
2007-04-02 12:37:15
340.   Rob Middletown CT
That's the D-ray bullpen I know and love! Good job by ARod & Giambi, of course.
2007-04-02 12:37:20
341.   Knuckles
He looks faster with the socks showing. Nice sequence of plays.
2007-04-02 12:37:50
342.   C2Coke
Looks like we will get some Mo time today.
This Opening Day has just about everything in baseball. HR, RBIs, errors, bunts, steals, getting the lead, losing the lead, getting, the lead back, excitement, tiring feeling of Sep, Murcer, cheers for Pavano, boos and cheers for Arod.
2007-04-02 12:38:03
343.   RIYank
2nd and 3rd with one out produces fewer runs, on average, than 1st and 2nd with no outs. (You could look it up.)
2007-04-02 12:38:59
344.   Yankee Fan In Boston
...and pavano exhales...
2007-04-02 12:39:18
345.   rbj
337 Er, that "33" should be 331
2007-04-02 12:39:20
346.   weeping for brunnhilde
326 Or put another way, didn't it increase the chance of getting two (and only two) runs, while decreasing the chance of getting 3 or 4 runs?

And why not think about what kind of situation puts pressure on a pitcher?

That's part of the game, isn't it?

It's a legitimate factor, if hard to quantify.

2007-04-02 12:40:53
347.   weeping for brunnhilde
343 All right, I can't argue with that, I suppose.

No statistician, I.

2007-04-02 12:40:54
348.   RIYank
338 No, it moved one runner into scoring position, not two. Look, it's just a plain fact that the expected runs with 1&2 no outs is more than the expected runs 2&3 one out.

Not complaining about the run this inning, but the way we pounded the ball it should've been three. Oh well.

2007-04-02 12:41:18
349.   rsmith51
343 I agree RIYank, though you should consider the situation(who's batting, who's pitching, what's the score).
2007-04-02 12:42:15
350.   weeping for brunnhilde
343 Well, you say "on average," but the real question is what are the outliers or whatever they're called?

In other words, what are the variables in which that's not the case?

And were they operative here?

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2007-04-02 12:43:12
351.   rabid stan
Heidi-ho, Kyle.
2007-04-02 12:43:22
352.   weeping for brunnhilde
348 You're right, one runner into sp.
2007-04-02 12:44:12
353.   Rob Middletown CT
Ok, help the newbie time: how does one link to others' posts like that? I assume its some sort of html tag?

As for the bunting thing... yes, 1st & 2nd w/no outs does result in more scoring than 2nd & 3rd and one out, but you do have to consider the hitters & baserunners in question. Phelps is a PRIMO double-play candidate (hard contact, slow as molasses), and ManCaveItch isn't much better. So while 1st & 2nd has more upside, it also carries a certain risk of bad downside (DP). So I understand why Torre did what he did. This is one I can live with.

Jeter bunting in the first inning of a playoff game, on the other hand...

2007-04-02 12:44:24
354.   Bama Yankee
343 What's that stat based on? Is it and average for every such situation that occurs during a year? If so, it seems to be difficult to apply it to a specific type situation like we saw back in the sixth inning.
2007-04-02 12:44:28
355.   Yankee Fan In Boston
will rodriguez hitting that liner, stealing a base and scoring the go ahead run be enough to get the tabloids to overlook the foul misplay and K earlier on? if the other plays were as ugly as they sounded, it should be.
2007-04-02 12:45:07
356.   weeping for brunnhilde
348 And does any of this factor in the likelihood of a double play?

Because if the likelihood of that were nil, I'd see your point.

But it seems as if that likelihood might in some cases be quite high (slow runner, groundball pitcher, whatever).

2007-04-02 12:45:21
357.   Shawn Clap
A-Rod's on pace to score 162 game-winning runs this season. Not bad.
2007-04-02 12:46:29
358.   RIYank
350 I don't know.
Anyway, I don't mean to be so sabermetric, so I'll stop now.
2007-04-02 12:46:34
359.   Yankee Fan In Boston
357 {high five}
2007-04-02 12:47:16
360.   rbj
It is left bracket "[" then the number then right bracket "]" Without the quote marks.
2007-04-02 12:47:41
361.   OldYanksFan
323 The good news is after this game, no more God Bless America in the 7th.
The bad news is they're replacing it with the Pledge of Allegiance.

Not to many guys can hit 40 HRs and do that!

I gotta wonder, if Minky starts the game, how does that effect the score? Jetes throw was catchable.

2007-04-02 12:48:15
362.   Sliced Bread
Was Farnswacker rockin' the knee-high socks last season? or is this a new look on him?
2007-04-02 12:48:25
363.   weeping for brunnhilde


No problem, I'm actually quite fascinated, because I don't get sabermetrics and peoople who do seem to have a very different baseball experience than I do.

So I'm mostly curious about seeing things from that perspective.

Maybe one day it'll click and I'll get it.

Anyway, we're up 6-5, eh?

How 'bout that!

2007-04-02 12:48:32
364.   Rob Middletown CT
Thanks, 360
2007-04-02 12:49:51
365.   Rob Middletown CT
I see good Kyle showed up today.
2007-04-02 12:49:52
366.   mehmattski
354 Here's one run expectancy table, from 1999-2002 season data.

It says that teams in those seasons scored, on average, 1.573 runs when there were runners on 1st/2nd 0 outs. Teams scored 1.467 runs when they had runners on 2nd/3rd and one out. So the decrease in run expectancy is not all that great. And in a tie game in the later innings, with a hitter who could GIDP (run expectancy of runner on 3rd, 2 outs: 0.387)- this is a bunting situation where it's about break even.

2007-04-02 12:50:03
367.   Yankee Fan In Boston
361 either beats "sweet caroline."
2007-04-02 12:50:27
368.   RIYank
354 Yes, every situation. So sure, if you know how to adjust for specifics of the current situation, you should.
356 It does account for the possibility of a DP, yes.

I'll give in to mikeplugh, I guess: it's not an awful decision, in this context.

2007-04-02 12:51:32
369.   OldYanksFan
Minky for MVP!
2007-04-02 12:51:56
370.   weeping for brunnhilde
Melky shouldn't bunt, mostly because he can't, so far as I can recall.
2007-04-02 12:52:22
371.   mikeplugh
That bunt was silly.
2007-04-02 12:53:29
372.   RIYank
366 Ah, thank you!
(Of course, the game was not, in fact, tied; we were down by two.)

Okay, so here I'm neutral on the bunt. That one didn't hurt us. (I mean Melky's.)

2007-04-02 12:53:31
373.   Yankee Fan In Boston
for those of you just tuning in, doug mientkiewicz is not known for his power.
2007-04-02 12:53:41
374.   Bama Yankee
366 Wait, would not the situation that occured in the sixth be in both of those columns.
2007-04-02 12:53:58
375.   C2Coke
360 I think so. But did all started with Jose Veras?

With Mo waiting in the bullpen...thanks for coming Devil Rays...

2007-04-02 12:54:21
376.   mikeplugh
The Minky bunt had some arguable purpose. The Melky bunt was a wasted out. Melky can hit a little and could have hit a double in that situation against a bad TB pen. Chalk up one out on Torre there.
2007-04-02 12:54:49
377.   RIYank
371 I think that one was okay. Adding two more runs here wouldn't help much more than adding one run. (Chance of Mo blowing a two-run lead to the D-Rays???)
2007-04-02 12:55:31
378.   Rob Middletown CT
MCI is carving out his niche. Given that hardly anyone on the Yanks can actually bunt, it's not a bad idea.
2007-04-02 12:56:19
379.   rsmith51
372 Wait, RIYank. Bunting rarely makes sense with a runner of first. I think the earlier bunt was more defensible than this one. Especially since Melky is not a good bunter, while Minky is.
2007-04-02 12:56:57
380.   C2Coke
378 Well, almost everyone else on the Yanks can hit.
2007-04-02 12:58:10
381.   RIYank
379 Okay, you may be right factoring in the bunting skills.
But check out the Win Expectancy Finder on the two situations and you'll see the Win Expectancy basically didn't change at all.
2007-04-02 12:58:50
382.   OldYanksFan
366 Not enough data to really determine the best move in our situation.

How many times did the 1st and 2nd situation lead to either 1 run or less and 3 runs and more? As the home team, we needed TWO runs in that situation. Sure, 3 or 4 is better, but we needed 2 (and at worst, one). So, in the statistics you quoted, which situation had a higher probablitly of scoring one run? Which had a higher probability of scoring 2 runs?

I would rather have an 80% chance of scoring 2 runs then a 60% chance of scoring 4.

Again, these statistics are general in nature. Most are not specific to any one exact situation. Yes, they should always be know and taken into account, but that does NOT mean they should always make the final determination.

2007-04-02 12:59:23
383.   mehmattski
374 I'm not sure what you mean by that, but what the chart says is that all teams in 1999-2000 scored 1.573 runs after they had runners on first and second, no outs. Then, in all instances where there were runners on second and third, one out, teams scored 1.476 runs in those innings. What we can then do is compare the "expected" number of runs scored in the starting state (1st/2nd 0 out) to that in the ending state (2nd/3rd 1 out) to see whether a certain strategy "helped" or "hurt" the team in expected runs. In this case, it hurt, but only slightly.

The table, of course, combines data from all innings. If we are to take into account the game situation (down 2) the inning (sixth, sorta late) and the hitter (ew), we can make a case that the sac bunt was, at worst, a break even strategy (same number of expected runs scored) and could possibly even help (compared to outcomes such as GIDP, allows for Sac Fly, etc).

Make sense?

2007-04-02 13:00:09
384.   Yankee Fan In Boston
eventually mientkiewicz has to get a few hits, otherwise the bunt will be expected.
2007-04-02 13:00:25
385.   RIYank
Hey, good baserunning.

382 I believe we lost a couple of percentage points of win expectancy by bunting in the sixth. Not much. You can check it out yourself:

2007-04-02 13:00:56
386.   mikeplugh
Oh Hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2007-04-02 13:01:01
387.   nyyfan22
2007-04-02 13:01:06
388.   rbj
Wow, well I'm glad Minkster made it, but I thought the hit was too shallow to make it.

Woo hoo, Alex!!!

2007-04-02 13:01:07
389.   weeping for brunnhilde
Heh heh.

Late to the party again, Alex!


2007-04-02 13:01:08
390.   C2Coke
381 Well...this bunt led to a score. More credit to Abreu though.
2007-04-02 13:01:10
391.   rabid stan
So it turns into a pretty good day for A-Rod.
2007-04-02 13:01:16
392.   Sliced Bread
The 2007 Cadillac Abreu:
Powerful. Smooth. Comfortable. Quiet.

Typical A-Rod.... taking Mo out of the game.


2007-04-02 13:01:21
393.   Simone
Yeah, Alex! Take that you stupid boo birds.
2007-04-02 13:01:25
394.   3rd gen yankee fan
Arod seals it up!!!
2007-04-02 13:01:30
395.   RIYank
Go-ahead run AND an A-Bomb!!!

That will wipe the sabermetrics off BB, if anything will!

2007-04-02 13:01:30
396.   weeping for brunnhilde
I'm kidding, btw.
2007-04-02 13:01:36
397.   Yankee Fan In Boston
oh boy.
2007-04-02 13:02:01
398.   yankz
Come on Alex, they already had the lead.


2007-04-02 13:02:38
399.   C2Coke
Arod hits a homer, comes out for curtain call, all is forgiven and forgotten", right?
2007-04-02 13:02:39
400.   Shaun P
368 Mientkiewicz and Phelps are both slow, but Mientkiewicz is not a bad hitter. As a 1B, he's an awful hitter, because he has no power. But he has a career OBP of .359, which is pretty good.

In this situation, down by 2, no outs, he has at least a 36% chance of not making an out.

In his career, DM has ground into 70 DPs in his career (3265 PAs) - which means the odds of him GIDP are about .02.

.36 >> .02 - hence, the bunt was a bad move.

I agreed with you 100% up to 368, RIYank.

BTW, no sabermetrics there, just a little math.

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2007-04-02 13:02:44
401.   OldYanksFan
Minky for HOF!
(Don't ya love watching really slow guys run for their lives?)
2007-04-02 13:02:52
402.   Rob Middletown CT
Stat padder! ;) I jest. Sweet!

ARod's gonna have a good year.

2007-04-02 13:03:00
403.   rsmith51
There goes ARod padding the lead after hitting a weak single to get the lead.
2007-04-02 13:03:15
404.   Yankee Fan In Boston
392 "Typical A-Rod.... taking Mo out of the game."

when was the last time these two had a sleep over? is there a rift between these two stars? alert murray chass!

2007-04-02 13:03:35
405.   yankz
It's going to be a great year. Just a feeling.
2007-04-02 13:04:30
406.   rabid stan
I love the replay of the bullpen catcher planting his face into the wall to catch the homerun.
2007-04-02 13:04:36
407.   Shaun P
Thanks, A-Rod. We're behind you all the way!
2007-04-02 13:05:45
408.   Yankee Fan In Boston
401 "Don't ya love watching really slow guys run for their lives?"

watching people run as a subway train's doors begin to close or as a walk signal on a street corner changes will always make me smile. everytime. i feel a little guilty, but not nearly enough to get me to stop.

2007-04-02 13:06:25
409.   OldYanksFan
Man... that pitch ARod hit was low and on the outter half of the plate. Sometimes the guy amazes me.

Schrill to start the season for the Sox in a minute or so.

2007-04-02 13:06:55
410.   weeping for brunnhilde

Why take an inning out of Mo's arm here?

He's not exactly a spring chicken...

2007-04-02 13:07:25
411.   C2Coke
406 That was awesome.

Mo Time!

2007-04-02 13:07:26
412.   yankz
So I guess the circle of trust thing continues. Ah, whatever.
2007-04-02 13:07:29
413.   OldYanksFan
403 "There goes ARod padding the lead after hitting a weak single to get the lead."
Thats a weak single and a cheap/lucky SB.
2007-04-02 13:08:04
414.   mehmattski
404 It's all about the fantasy baseball angle for me. No save for Mo and my team. But I'm sure Sportscenter will play audio of the boos from the first few innings over and over and over. Note to self: don't watch Sportscenter. Ever.
2007-04-02 13:08:30
415.   RIYank
Mo wasn't taken out of the game after all. But A-Rod stole his save opportunity.
2007-04-02 13:08:39
416.   C2Coke
Doesn't get any better.
2007-04-02 13:08:40
417.   rabid stan
410 They had him up in the beginning of the 8th when it was a one-run lead.
2007-04-02 13:08:59
418.   Sliced Bread
410 He was warmed up, and I'm guessing asked to come in and get the job done.

If there's a "saves" incentive in Mo's contract A-Rod owes him a root beer.

2007-04-02 13:09:40
419.   yankz
This is ridiculous.
2007-04-02 13:09:45
420.   Simone
Mo is looking good.
2007-04-02 13:09:55
421.   RIYank
410 You're right, but how can we complain about an inning like this one?

Now if he can K Upton on a change, it will be a perfect finish.

2007-04-02 13:10:28
422.   mehmattski
Any change-ups from Mo? I wouldn't think he'd waste them on these guys, but I'm curious.
2007-04-02 13:10:29
423.   Raf
399 At least until tomorrow ;)

408 Same here. Funniest was watching a guy running to catch a train (Metro North) while pointing at his watch and yelling that he still had two minutes. Conductor didn't stop the train for him...

2007-04-02 13:11:16
424.   RIYank
2007-04-02 13:11:22
425.   Rob Middletown CT
Mo against the D-Rays. Some things are simply unfair. :)
2007-04-02 13:11:28
426.   rbj
Why are people leaving early? Take away their tickets permanently.
2007-04-02 13:11:30
427.   weeping for brunnhilde
[417 418

Sure, I know he was up, but still, why waste him?

He doesn't have to come in.

Anyway, he's on fire.

A joy to watch.

Oh my God.

That third strike was just unfair.


2007-04-02 13:11:38
428.   Simone
The Yankees win!!! The Yankees win!!!
2007-04-02 13:11:41
429.   Shaun P

I can't wait to get home and watch the game on TV this time!

2007-04-02 13:11:45
430.   3rd gen yankee fan
YEAH!!!!!!!!! Happy Opening Day, everyone!
2007-04-02 13:11:46
431.   C2Coke
410 To show off?? haha. Appreciation (watching Mo cruising is one of the best pleasure) to the fans, I'd say.

Mo's so good...

2007-04-02 13:11:48
432.   yankz
God damn. Mo vs the bottom of this order? It shouldn't be allowed.

Although, in a few years, this lineup will be LETHAL.

Mo is god.

2007-04-02 13:12:16
433.   rbj
Yea, Yankees win.
And go Royals!
2007-04-02 13:12:23
434.   C2Coke
Bruney's the winning pitcher?
2007-04-02 13:13:22
435.   Alex Belth
Yay Rod, Yay Mo, Yay YANKS!
2007-04-02 13:13:40
436.   rbj
427 Tomorrow's an off day. Yesterday was an off day too, so you might as well give Mo an opportunity to stretch.
2007-04-02 13:13:46
437.   Yankee Fan In Boston
434 i say give carl the W. but i said that a few times last season.
2007-04-02 13:14:28
438.   rbj
434 It's the Vizier's W.
2007-04-02 13:14:47
439.   atc
433 Is it Schilling today?
2007-04-02 13:15:38
440.   Yankee Fan In Boston
439 yes.
2007-04-02 13:15:55
441.   weeping for brunnhilde
Happy Opening Day, everyone, it's been a pleasure!

(And no, 422, no change-ups.)

Didn't need 'em.


2007-04-02 13:16:04
442.   C2Coke
422 No, only his classic cutter. 3Ks faster than the change-up could reach Jorger
2007-04-02 13:17:08
443.   RIYank
439 It is Schilling. Against Gil Meche.

That was fun.
Oh, stinking Papi drives in the first run with a double.

2007-04-02 13:18:11
444.   OldYanksFan
I guess will will do fine giving up 5 runs when we score 9. I still think there was too much ugly, but an ugly win is better then a pretty loss.
2007-04-02 13:19:17
445.   RIYank
We didn't make it 500 postings, but still a creditable job by BB today.

Manny lines out deep.

2007-04-02 13:20:30
446.   C2Coke
445 That depends on how the Royals perform today.
2007-04-02 13:21:08
447.   Sliced Bread
Figure the backpages of the NY rags will tell the tale of two A-Rods.

I forsee a split-page, two photos. The missed pop up on the right, the follow through of the home run on the left.

Headline: Boo! Ya!
Subheader: Opener is Tale of Two A-Rods

2007-04-02 13:22:20
448.   Shaun P
445 If enough people watch the Sox, it might get to 600.

BTW, don't know if you saw it or not before the 350-400 comments were hidden, but I thought your original analysis of Mientkiewicz's bunt was spot on.

2007-04-02 13:22:21
449.   Sliced Bread
447 - reverse the left and right photos
2007-04-02 13:27:19
450.   C2Coke
447 Come clean now, sliced, do you work for the Post?
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2007-04-02 13:30:29
451.   RIYank
[448 Oh, okay, I'm still here!
Thanks. I did check the Win Expectancy Finder and the Melky bunt left the Win Expectancy unchanged. Now as you mentioned, that doesn't account for abilities of the particular batters, so maybe you're correct that it was a bad move, but I think it must have been pretty close to neutral.
2007-04-02 13:35:53
452.   atc
What is this station-to-station crap by the Royals?
2007-04-02 13:41:06
453.   RIYank
Mmmm. What's better than the Yanks winning on opening day?

Yanks winning and Curt Schilling getting racked by the Royals. He walks home a run in the first. I guess everyone still here knows that.

2007-04-02 13:41:34
454.   3rd gen yankee fan
Old Bloody Sock just walked in the Royals first run.
2007-04-02 13:41:35
455.   joejoejoe
Schilling just walked in the tying run.
2007-04-02 13:42:06
456.   C2Coke
453 I was too busy laughing to type.
2007-04-02 13:46:37
457.   RIYank
We all know that everyone else knows that Schilling walked in a run, but it's just too much fun to type it in anyway.

Schilling walked in a run.

2007-04-02 13:47:33
458.   RIYank
Dustin P. thought he'd doubled. Sadly for him, he'd only singled.
2007-04-02 13:49:00
459.   Simone
You are out by a mile, Pedroia. Ha! I've missed making fun of the Red Sox.
2007-04-02 13:53:25
460.   rabid stan
Sox fans should really worry about Schilling. He's in terrible condition even for someone in the neighborhood of forty. This Sox rotation, which does show a lot of promise, will have big problems if he fades down the stretch or goes on the DL because of his age and weight.
2007-04-02 13:54:13
461.   RIYank
Schilling in fine form! More triples, please.
2007-04-02 13:55:11
462.   C2Coke
Tony Pena Jr. just Schilling.
2007-04-02 13:58:18
463.   nemecizer
Guess I panicked a bit early. I do that. Oh, well, at least I didn't trash a hotel room while at it.

Nice win by the Yanks. Hope Damon is okay.

2007-04-02 13:58:52
464.   nemecizer
Mark Eyechart just knocked in Pena on a single. KC up 2-1.
2007-04-02 13:59:54
465.   C2Coke
463 Damon is a touch guy. He should be fine.
2007-04-02 14:00:25
466.   rabid stan

Yeah, a little bit.

2007-04-02 14:02:24
467.   nemecizer
466 Eh, I do that. Like I said, at least nothing was set on fire this time. Just keep me away from the matches, gasoline and computer the next time Pavanomaas is on the mound.
2007-04-02 14:08:36
468.   RIYank
460 Indeed.
Here in New England, the fan base is very badly overestimating how much Schilling will give them this year. It's annoying, but I feel better when I think about how disappointed they're going to be. Today is a good start.
2007-04-02 14:47:20
469.   rbj
Heh, Pavano has given up fewer runs than Curt "Double Chins" today. Whodathunk it?
2007-04-02 14:51:45
470.   C2Coke
469 Maintaining a blog is more tiring than he originally thought?
2007-04-02 14:55:30
471.   standuptriple
Well, he said he'd try and blog during a game. That's gotta be much easier when you're in the clubhouse in the 5th. Can't wait for his next blog...and the comments.
2007-04-02 15:05:45
472.   C2Coke
And here we thought the Yanks's game wasn't pretty. Matsuzaka with more pressure now?
2007-04-02 15:11:41
473.   RIYank
This game is in some ways more fun and satisfying than the Yankee game. Maybe because I don't feel the tension in my stomach in tight situations?
But I'm happier about the Yankee outcome than about the (presumed) Sox/Schilling loss.
2007-04-02 15:33:39
474.   yankz
All I need is a good start from King Felix and my day is complete.
2007-04-02 15:41:42
475.   standuptriple
Ortiz just K'd w/2 guys on and down by 5. So un-clutch.
2007-04-02 15:50:00
476.   RIYank
475 Tony Pena didn't manage to produce your name. Two triples, but he had to slide both times.
2007-04-02 15:51:38
477.   RIYank
Royals' middle infielders are better than ours! Today, at least. Also, their eye chart is much better than ours.
2007-04-02 15:53:36
478.   C2Coke
477 I noticed both of that too!
2007-04-02 15:54:34
479.   3rd gen yankee fan
Two triples on Opening Day against the Sux, that is just beautiful. Did I mention I'm living in KC now? Did I mention how great it is to be living in a baseball town now? Did I mention I'm going to Thursday's game? I can't wait!!!
2007-04-02 15:59:19
480.   standuptriple
476 Yes the triple is a rare event and the standup varietal is even more scarce (much like my flashes of brilliance, thus the name).
2007-04-02 16:05:49
481.   3rd gen yankee fan
:::sigh::: what a beautiful day.
2007-04-02 16:06:34
482.   RIYank
479 Nice. I assume you are especially enjoying it because Pena is an ex-Sox. Er, and ek-Sok. Hm.

All over now. What a great baseball day! May Josh Beckett suffer a similar fate.

2007-04-02 16:07:29
483.   rabid stan
Prediction: The Royals will start this season like they ended last season, with a series sweep.
2007-04-02 16:10:07
484.   rbj
After just one day the Saux are a full game behind the Yanks in the division. Magic numbers is now only 161?
2007-04-02 16:12:43
485.   OldYanksFan
A Yankee win...
An ARod HR...
A Sox loss...
A Schilling choke...
If we could only do something about global warming...
2007-04-02 16:18:17
486.   C2Coke
484 Too funny.

485 If only...

2007-04-02 16:21:59
487.   RIYank
Maybe Mo can work on global warming, when he retires. I'd feel a whole lot better about the situation.
2007-04-02 16:24:20
488.   Yankee Fan In Boston
i missed the end of the red sox/royals game, but it seems to have gone off well.

despite the fact that i spent the night in JFK airport experiencing a delay only to get home in time for a 1/2 hour of sleep, followed by a 9 hour work day and not one, but 2 mid term exams (currently waiting for #2 to start), today has been pretty beautiful.


thanks, curt.

2007-04-02 16:38:26
489.   LI yankee
Also take a look at this line,

4-6, 2 2B, 4 R, 1 RBI

Owned by none other than Hanley Ramirez

2007-04-02 16:44:05
490.   nemecizer
489 That is a beautiful thing, LI yankee.

Here's to hoping that the Sox are a house of cards. I'd like one season where they just stink from the beginning and I don't have to get all wound up every game. Today was a good start.

BTW, I read on that this is the first time in 148 games that Curt didn't pitch at least 5 innings.

2007-04-02 16:44:23
491.   C2Coke
487 Maybe he can partner up with Bernie?

488 Surely you can get some good sleep tonight?

2007-04-02 16:52:06
492.   RIYank
Yeah, that would be confidence-inspiring.

489 Mmmmm, I'll be sure to mention it to all my Sox buds. And Trot Nixon, 3-for-4. Though J D Drew didn't do badly today for Boston. I mean, he can still walk, so that's a plus.

2007-04-02 16:54:07
493.   Zack
Just got back from work and haven't had time to look through all the comments, but we are oh so close to my rpediction of 500 posts!

A few things I am sure have been rehashed a lot already:
Crappy ass play by the Yanks
Awesome bullpen save for Bruney
Mo was throwing total gas
Meat pitched a bit better than it shows
Looks liek Phelps will never play again after Doug out showed his "belly full.."

2007-04-02 17:06:35
494.   RIYank
Crappy: well, the infield defense was awful, and the baserunning was sloppy. But the hitting was Bomberesque.
Bruney: Vizcaino got the win, is that what you meant? The whole pen was excellent, though.
Mo: pure joy
Meat: I agree. Not good, but not awful.
Phelps v. eye chart: I hadn't thought of that. Depressing.

We had a great time postgame enjoying Curt Schilling & Co., too. Make sure to take the day off for every remaining game, Zack.

2007-04-02 18:05:51
495.   Zack
Clearly I have to. Funny thing is that usually I am available for the day games, oh well...

Bruney allowed an inherited runner IIRC, so while he did ok, not as good as the others...

And yeah, the offense was there, but 3 errors and the baserunning, blah...

Always great to see the Sox fall on their faces on opening day against KC. Not that I expect it to last, but for one day its awesome!

2007-04-02 18:15:21
496.   BklynBmr
483 Good memory! If the Royals could somehow pass along their ownership of Boston to the DRays, that'll decide the division in our favor and help negate Dice-K's 40 win season.

493 Same here, haven't scanned the posts yet, but will risk stating that Ca$hMoney is indeed a genius with the DougOut signing. We'll hit 500 here, no problem — maybe 550-600 when the rest of us Left Coasters file in...

On another note, I'm hatin' life thanks to the unholy alliance of MLB and DirectTV. Watched today on ESPN in HD and it was sweet, but from here on out I am at the mercy of the four letter network's programming schedule, as I refuse on principle to switch from Comcast to Direct. It'll be Sterling and Waldman on GameDay Audio this year, but that's OK. Plus, I'll see the Yanks when they invade S.F. for interleague...

Yankee baseball is back. And not a day too soon...

2007-04-02 18:18:36
497.   C2Coke
495 Don't forget to include Schilling in the equation.

There was also "clutch" RBI by the Cap'n and the winning 2-run HR by Arod. Great battings by Jorge.

No, meat wasn't awful but not being able to last 5 innings is not good at all no matter how he pitched in the 2nd and 3rd. What he's done today can be concluded as worse than Jared Wright. As simple as that.

And once again, Mo's performance was a pure beauty.

2007-04-02 18:21:47
498.   C2Coke
496 Eye chart is a good bunter and a better first baseman than Phelps. But in today's game, Phelps is still clearly the better hitter although he didn't get a hit today. He took 2 walks and saw quite a lot of pitches, especially when compared to Cano (yes, I know everyone sees more pitches than Cano...) and eyechart.
2007-04-02 18:38:49
499.   BklynBmr
498 Agreed on all points. Phelps' '03 stats jump out and hopefully that's still there with a full, healthy season. Facially, he reminds me of John CP3-O-lerud — and if he shows half of his glove when he's in there, we'll be OK...
2007-04-02 18:43:04
500.   Zack
Yeah, I much prefer to have Phelps in there, though his D at 1b was u-g-l-y today...

And for that matter, the D-Rays made Matsui's arm look like Bernie's today.

Yeah, #500!

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2007-04-02 19:04:02
501.   BklynBmr
500 #500! You are awesome ;-) Good point — Bernie is still with us, living in the arms of MatsZilla and Damon.

Also: ESPN Bias In Full Effect on Day One:

'Toronto' (1-0) occupies the top slot in their AL East Standings over 'New York' (1-0).

Don't get me started. It's only Opening Day for cripes sake...

2007-04-02 19:17:44
502.   C2Coke
501 Are you for real? No, ESPN for real? That's one big laugh to cap off the day. ROFL.
2007-04-02 19:21:35
503.   rabid stan
496 I, for one, am looking forward to seeing Mo face Bonds in the 9th at least once in that series. That would be the first time they faced each other, no? A fine addition to the Great One's collection of broken bats.

501 They have to put someone in the first slot, cripes.

2007-04-02 19:52:05
504.   brockdc
502 Looks like they're going to have to put their "Yankees: The Tailspin Continues" expose on hold for at least another 48 hours.

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