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When the Yankees announced their spring training invitees a little less than two weeks ago (see the list under "Players" on the sidebar), I was struck by the absence of one name: J. Brent Cox. As it turns out, Cox, who is widely regarded as one of the organization's ten-best prospects, has a broken bone in his pitching hand and will thus get a late start to his third professional season. Mystery solved, thanks to super sleuth Peter Abraham.
Peter also provides this link to Michael Kay's Tuesday interview with Bobby Murcer, who plans to return to broadcasting as soon as spring training. Much as hearing Kay's voice (and dreadful theme song) makes my skin crawl, it's great to hear Murcer. In addition to his good spirits and strong voice, his graciousness with Kay's callers is tremendous.
The Yankees will hold a press conference today to announce a new "international venture," which Murray Chase believes will have something to do with Randy Levine, Brian Cashman, and Jean Afterman's upcoming trip to China and Japan.
Jorge Posada made a few comments about Bernie Williams before Tuesday's Baseball Assistance Team (BAT) dinner, unleashing a torrent of articles all of which have used the same quotes. The gist of Jorge's jive: Bernie won't play for another team, Bernie won't sign a minor league deal, Bernie wants to play one more year. Sounds like Bernie's in denial. Tyler Kepner's version of the story suggests that Bernie could take that minor league deal and then retire in a Yankee uniform in spring training like Al Leiter did last year. Jorge suggests that Bernie might take the Roger Clemens rout and stay in shape in the hope of being needed at some point during the season. Again, I think Bernie's setting himself up for disappointment.
Major League Baseball will officially announce on Wednesday January 31 that the 2008 All-Star Game will take place in Yankee Stadium. The announcement is expected to take place at City Hall.
Bob Timmerman over on the Griddle has a link to a story about Aaron Guiel and his decision to play in Japan this year.
Finally, on the topic of erstwhile Yankee first basemen, the Devil Rays appear to be close to inking former Columbus Clipper Carlos Peña to a minor league contract. They'll already have Hee-Seop Choi in camp. Either of those lefties would have been preferable to Stinky Minky.
i'd much rather pena or choi than scrabble. or guiel or craig wilson, for that matter...
it is going to be sooo sad to see bernabe go. : (
No, actually he didn't compare the above:
http://yankeefan.blogspot.com/2006/12/whos-on-first.html
More:
http://ndai.blogspot.com/2007/01/mientkiewicz-or-why-steven-goldman-is.html
Be strong, Bobby.
Good ole Bernie? Yeah, I'd still rather see the at-bats wasted on him than Doug Out ("Stinky Minky" -- good one, Cliff) but I agree it's time for Bernie to pass the baton (bat on) to the next generation of Yankees.
Dig this excellent passage from Sherman today:
"I have enjoyed chatting with Williams as much as any player during the years. He was unique, an artist in a jockstrap. He was contemplative. He actually considered questions, and was a cliche-free zone. He was bright, articulate and insightful in his second language. He was polite, dare I say a gentleman in a forum that does not beget many."
It's sad to read about Bernie's qualities in the past tense, eulogized while he still holds hope for another at-bat for the Yanks.
I'd like to see him get a few televised swings during Spring Training just for old time's sake -- and I hope he's getting ready to embrace the warm farewell he's going to receive.
http://tinyurl.com/2xx98t
I continue to hope Bernie does retire, but I understand why he's hanging on. The needs of the Yanks outweigh the needs of Bernie, though, and so I think we've seen his last MLB at bat in pinstripes.
"Having been on vacation, I have no idea what this will be about. I assume they've made some kind of partnership with a team from Asia. Either that or they're invading some small country."
That was what I now think of as a Sliced-level funny (i.e., I laughed out loud and my co-workers are looking at me wondering what's so funny).
http://tinyurl.com/28clbq
Who knows what untapped pinch-hitting prowess secretly lurks in the Yankees bullpen?
The hardball piece also cites a book called "Stand and Deliver: A History of Pinch-Hitting" which I've been meaning to pick up.
Bernie is still a useful RH bat off the bench. Although a very limited role for sure, he can still make a contribution. Bernie is a Yankee and should stay that way.
What you need is a replacement part... and has Cliff got the deal for you! Tell 'im, Sliced... >;)
As for Bernie's pinch-hitting, he's a career .217/.351/.326 hitter in the role (57 plate appearances). A full 22 of those PAs came last year and he went 3 for 19 with three walks. Terribly small samples, but such is the nature of the job.
The big question is, who is he going to pinch hit for? The only time he'd be a better option than the starter would be when the ninth spot in the order (the first base platoon) is facing a lefty, and in those situations the opposing manager could easily bring in a righty to turn Bernie around and make him useless (remember the lefty Bernie hit .261/.305/.383 last year, which basically means he was Nick Green). What's more, using Bernie as a pinch hitter for the first baseman is a three-player move (starting 1B, PH Bernie, defensive replacement 1B). A tremendous waste of resources for what's at best a tiny strategic advantage (if any at all given Bernie's struggles in the role last year and the fact that he'll be 39 before the season's over).
I'm sorry, I love Bernie, but he's absolutely useless to the Yankees at this point.
Good news on Bobby. Damn shame I won't be able to hear him thanks to Bud's idiotic Directv deal.
http://tinyurl.com/2qhfvl
But part of me thinks saying anything else, like, "If an injury pops up, you're the guy we call" is a disaster. Say Giambi were to suffer an injury and would miss the first half of the season. I hope the Yanks could do a lot better than Bernie as a replacement. Similarly, say an OF goes down to injury for a long time, making Melky a full time player. I would much rather have able-to-play defense Kevin Thompson as the 4th OF over Bernie. Especially because, as always, Torre would play Bernie far too often, to the Yanks' detriment.
I love Bernie too, but as Cliff and tommyl showed above, he's pretty useless to the Yanks even in the face of injury.
The moment the Yanks announce "Bernie Williams Day" at the Stadium, I will find a way to be there, unless its the day my second child is due. Hmmm . . . I wonder if my wife would accept Bernie as a middle name for this one . . .
(then perhaps Bernice, Bernadette)
Sure, he's no longer got homerun power and that throws off the SLG & OPS numbers that many people use to guage a hitter's value. But Bernie is still a great doubles hitter. Yes, I said great. In fact, he was the 2nd best doubles hitter on the team last year behind only Robinson Cano.
Based on Plate Appearances (400 or more):
Cano 508PA - 41 dbls - 8.50%
Bernie 462PA - 29 dbls - 6.27%
Jeter 715PA - 39 dbls - 5.45%
Damon 593PA - 35 dbls - 5.21%
Melky 524PA - 26 dbls - 4.96%
Jorge 545PA - 27 dbls - 4.95%
Giambi 579PA - 25 dbls - 4.31%
Arod 674PA - 26 dbls - 3.85%
While a double isn't as sexy as a home run, it's still a rally-starter or a base-clearer. Despite Bernie's age, slowness, failing eyesight and overall decrepitude, he can still hit the doubles with the best of them.
Just saying. Let's not shortchange him here.
Personally, if Bernie would promise to retire next season, then I'd sacrifice someone like Phillips and let Minky be the full-time 1B for now (until the M's are ready to dump Sexson). What value does Phillips have anyway? Albeit a PR move, I'd rather use the spot for Bernie than a guy like Phillips.
Quite frankly, because the Yankee bench is so weak, that last roster spot shouldn't have an impact on winning the division/World Series. Therefore, I'd rather keep Bernie happy and keep him out of another uniform.
You'd think so, and once upon a time, I did too. But take a look at the bench in the '01 Serious, where the Yanks' options to pinch hit late in games were awful at best and didn't-belong-on-a-major-league-bench at worst. One can make a very convincing argument that this did contribute heavily to the Yanks losing the '01 Serious, and IIRC, someone did (I don't remember who, though - it might have been Cliff).
If Bernie wants to put on another uniform, it won't be the end of the world. The Babe did it, Yogi did it, Reggie did it, Randolph did it, the list goes on.
My hope is that if Bernie wants to stick around, it's as a coach. He could impart a whole lot to the youngsters about work ethic; staying in good shape and being focused. I wonder if Bernie looks at Paul O'Neill, who had to be carried off, as a motivator for his desire to continue (I hope it's not Rickey H.) We'll see come Spring Training.
19 Bernie's EqA last year was .260, that is the definition of league average. Melky gave the same EqA, with much better defense and improved throughout the year.
With the Boss Behind Bars, a Borough Battle Brews
BY JERRY CAPECI
January 25, 2007
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/47392
Fifty years after zealous Yankees and Dodgers fans duked it out in the bleachers of Yankee Stadium and Ebbets Field, there's a new Bronx-Brooklyn feud brewing that could be every bit as intense.
This one is between factions of the Luchese crime family, and through it hasn't gotten bloody like the all-out Colombo family civil war that left 12 dead around the city in the early 1990s, law enforcement sources say the potential for violence clearly exists.
Sources say the feud has been festering for more than a year and began heating up last summer. The issue no surprise is control of lucrative mob schemes.
"Whenever you have mobsters wrangling over money, murder is always a distinct possibility" is how one law enforcer put it.
I would much, much rather have another bench player than that last stupid pitcher. I'm not saying Bernie's the answer, but I think that's the choice.
And if Bernie stays in shape and sits by a phone that never rings, well, he's in good company. Rickey Henderson's still waiting for that call, and you know he's still in shape.
I think the Yanks showed loyalty by outbidding the Red Sox by a fair margin in 1999, by opting out of taking Carlos Beltran in 2005, and by giving him a contract last year. He's had more loyalty than anyone I can think of.
He's was a great player. In 2007, stick a fork in 'im.
I was very surprised (and disappointed) they passed on him.
Think about it. Had the Yanks signed Beltran instead of Unit:
- the Yanks would probably still have Navarro as the backup catcher -- and our pal Jim Dean would be writing daily odes to Cashman -- or repeatedly criticizing the Yanks lack of RHP prospects.
- Mike Cameron would probably still be on the Mets.
- Damon would probably still be in Boston, and because of that, the Red Sox might not have gone as crazy to sign Matsuzaka and he'd be a Met now.
"This perpetual motion machine Lisa made is a joke, it just keeps going faster and faster," -- Homer Simpson
But what prevented them from getting a CF for 2005?
At least in 2004 they got Lofton, even as Torre didn't play him. Then in 2005 they go through Bubba to Womack to Reese to Bernie back to Bubba colliding with Shef in Game 5.
23 Andy Phillips will be 30 on opening day I don't think he has much upside. Also, while solid at 1B, I don't think you'd want Phillips playing anywhere else. Besides, even if he was a great defender elsewhere, Torre is going to play Cairo anyway.
26 That's not a bad thought either, although this year, hopefully that 12th pitchers spot will be going to a quality young arm instead of Scott Erickson.
28 I also don't want to rehash the issue because the debate wasn't very productive, but yes, they should be able to make a "business" decision with Bernie. I am not arguing that they shouldn't, but am instead suggesting that the other options do not merit cutting ties with Bernie.
I also don't see validity in your analogy. Bernie and the Yankees have a personal and professional business relationship that is specific to him. The EI issue involves a general availability issue that is potentially detrimental to a small few and potentially beneficial to not only the sport, but also fans in general (if it means increased investment in innovative products and the financial health of the league). Also, I would imagine that more Yankee fans feel strongly about Bernie one way or the other than care about the EI issue.
29 The Yankees paid Bernie fair market value in 1999. That's not exactly showing loyalty. I'm sure Bernie could have squeezed even more money out of the Sox, or another team, if he really wanted. Regardless, loyalty really comes into play when one side doesn't need the other, which is the case right now. As for Beltran, if the Yankees could have afforded him, it would have been bye-bye Bernie.
Excellent point 26
Now the reason Bernie is twisting in the wind is the Melky trade for starting pitching (Johan my Johan). Melky to the twinkies + young arms and Bernie gets his last year and his last Serious Appearance. Twinkies get to spin off Torii Hunter and cut further payroll.
This is just so happening I have to pinch myself in disbelief.Trade talks will be going down in China where Cash can get in under the radar by talking about "Yo-Han" and "the year of the pig (matsuzaka)"
what, you think I make this stuff up?
42 Mmmm....eggs.
But I actually don't complain about much else in life. I'm pretty chill, Will. I just think the GM could do better, esp. when he's had years to do so. See I find it hard to believe that because of the meddling Tampa contingent he couldn't:
a) Get a CF prospect with the impending doom of Bernie
b) Get a C prospect with the impending doom of Jorge.
c) Get a 1B prospect with the impending doom of Giambi.
It doesn't take a genius to realize that all three have been needed for at least three years now.
Given the last two years now, it's obvious Cashman sees there's no need for a bench of any kind so he puts little thought into it.
By June we'll see if the ignorance of the rest of the organization is a similar personality trait. It's about time they start lining up OF and IF prospects for the the next five years. We'll see if it happens.
I wish I could work for nine years, then blame the company (e.g., the Scranton office) when our goals aren't met.
And the Lofton trade had a lot to do with Torre refusing to play him. Ruben Sierra got more playing time than Lofton in both the regular and postseasons in 2004. Ouch.
That explains 2004 and Lofton. What happened in 2005? What, they thought Bubba would be fine? And when the manager wasn't playing him, the GM did what?
So the GM hasn't shit the bed. But all the love he gets is beyond me. He's easily the most beloved GM I've ever seen for the Yanks. And what does he have to show for it?
Rings from a team someone else put together.
Thanks for the clarification. So, you are saying that Bernie is a better option than the other players the Yankees plan to use off the bench this year. Not that they "owe" the spot to him due to his loyalty as you stated in 10 (you did say that it was a only a part of you that felt that way ;-)
As for the validity of my analogy, I agree that the Yankees have a personal relationship with Bernie (and that is a good thing for both). My point was that MLB does not seem to care about their relationship with a segment of their most avid fan base. While that relationship can not be "personal" (althought I did try to call Bud Selig and make it personal) IMO alienating those loyal customers could become a bad PR move for Selig (similar to how uncerimoniously showing Bernie the door would most certainly come back to bite the Yankees).
I understand the fact that you and I disagree on this issue and I have already promised Chyll that I would drop it. However, those who think the DTV deal is insignificant should check out how it is being received on other message boards and in the media. It might make sense on paper and look like it will help the bottom line but hey, so did New Coke...
The idea that he doesn't try at all is bogus. Since consolidating power, Cash and Oppenheimer have drafted/signed OF prospects. Tabata, Jackson, and Gardner come to mind. Sure, not a short-term fix, but that's where Johnny Damon came in.
Eric Duncan, one of the organization's top position prospects, was converted to 1B. Also, is 1B really a pressing priority? I think finding replacements to Mo, Moose, Unit, Wells, Clemens, and all the other aging pitchers in the Yankees' rotation the past few years was a far more pressing concern. Cash has done just that.
We all agree that catcher is a shortcoming throughout the organization. But I find it easy to believe that if he, who knows far more about baseball (especially the Yankees) than anybody here, found it a pressing matter, he would've done everything possible.
Duncan is one of the organization's former top position prospects. And he needs to show something this year.
Sure, I could deal with Phelps at first. But it's the rest of the bench and nothing in the system that kills me. RH 1B are readily available for something of marginal value (see Overbye trade last year).
Further, Lord Theo trades his catching prospect (Shoppach) last year and gets Josh Bard in return. He turns around and trades him. But he remembers that a catching prospects is a priority for any organization and gets Kottaras for Wells in August.
By contrast, the nebulous Tampa contingent trades Navarro in 2004. And....?
I finally get it: Everyone around here is waiting for the circle jerk with bukkake on Cashman.
If so I'd love to see it. If you've already posted it, please direct me to the thread in which it exists, as I'd love to evaluate it.
thanks!!
Some of us are standing waaaay too close to that line, so cool it. One of those lines up there had better disappear real quick. And if some people are here just to start arguments because they're bored or they think they know every damn thing, they'd better take it back to wherever they came from.
But I digress. Stop the bull-isht. Disagreements, natch. But this is getting to have no value whatsoever. Peace-out...
I'm in a good mood, so I only deleted the offending posts, not the posters.
In case anyone hasn't noticed Alex has basically been out for a while after the death of his dad. We managed to stick to important things for a day or two after he lost his Dad then this crap had to break out again. Instead of spending energy spilling venom and bile at each other why don't we figure out something good and decent we can do for a guy who has brought us all so much. I would suggest the first thing we could do is not crap all over HIS blog. The second is to figure out if there is a memorial fund established for his dad.
You all ought to be ashamed and by the way, Chyll is 100% right. The fact that you could get him to feel bad about the way he reacted is really too bad.
Later
But in all honesty, I have found myself checking in less and less these days because I know that each time I come back, no matter the layoff, the conversation is going to be the same, and that bums me out. I am sick of the back and forth over who Cashman "should" have gotten vs. who he "did" get etc. Nothing has/hasn't been said that will make any difference now. All of the back and forth just gets tedious.
Thank God its almost Feb, because I couldn't take to much more of this...
Seriously, though. This latest BUC discussion has a huge whiff of "MIL-ton BRAD-ley" and "OPP" coming off it...which goes to show, just because someone is adamant about an idea, doesn't make even close to being right.
Cashman, ___ suck!
Minky, ____ too!
Hey, it's all in good fun. I don't take any of it personally. I'm sorry if anyone else did.
Ideas anyone?
76 Jeter's new girl, Gabrielle Union? The Super Bowl? The Knicks (kidding!)
Anyone see Children of Men?
If you want a reeeeeally crazy cinematic experience, try to catch The Holy Mountain on it's rerelease tour if it comes through your town...
http://tinyurl.com/yqkamy
to my personal observation here,there are no more than 1000 local people in this 16 million population city are fans of the MLB games.there is a baseball club for amateur players here,and the city has a professional ballclub participating the Chinese League which has only six clubs.
i watch my favorate Yankees games from the ESPN live broadcastings,two or three games for one week.there is no games,or even the news,on the local cable screens or newspapers,the brief news of the steriods inside MLB is the only exception.
this situation is very bad for the fans like me.Last August,when the Yankees swept the sox by 5-0 in Fenway park,i just had no one to share my almost crazy happiness.this was a terrible feeling,i am very lonely here for my Yankees baseball.
so,the trip of Yankees to Beijing,is only the pave works for the future.Yankees is always the No.1 baseball name here,someone might know red sox,but no one seems to know the angels.
i hope the meeting in Beijing between the Yankees management and the Chinese authority will bring me more TV programms on the local channels covering this sport.what a feeling if someday one guy here is arguing with me for the rivalty between the Yanks and sox!
But while we're on the subject: when did he go from being "J.B. Cox" to "J. Brent Cox?" He got tired of people thinking he was a Bubba, and wanted to join the country club instead?
Him, Beam, Veras, and Bean should hunt down Cashman and castrate him. Or else they might never find their way to the majors.
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