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2006-12-02 06:17
by Alex Belth
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The rich seats just got more expensive at Yankee Stadium. There are slight price hikes all around, but nobody was hit harder than the rattle-your-jewelry crowd.

It's a cool, crisp Saturday morning in the Bronx. The winter meetings are just a few days off. We'll be able to follow them closely through a variety of sources, including Pete Abraham's essential "Lo-Hud" blog. What do you think will shake down? Any hopes, any predictions? Whatta ya hear, whatta ya say?

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2006-12-02 06:38:44
1.   Jim Dean
I don't know about predictions but i hope we don't see anything silly. Now, a big deal for that 1B or prospect C, like say:

Melky, Sanchez, and Duncan for Texeira
Proctor and Kennedy for Salty or Clement

That would be nice! Otherwise, my shopping list includes:

1) Craig Wilson
2) Chris Gomez

That just leaves a backup C - just say no to Baraja and Molina. But what does it leave?

2006-12-02 07:02:43
2.   Ravenscar
If these Winter Meetings have some agenda about global warming on them, that would be great.
2006-12-02 07:03:51
3.   dianagramr
My take on Mr. Trost's statements regarding ticket pricing ....

2006-12-02 07:20:43
4.   kylepetterson
Players not offered salary arbitration

NEW YORK (5) -- Miguel Cairo, 2b; Octavio Dotel, rhp; Tanyon Sturtze, rhp; Bernie Williams, of; Craig Wilson, of.

Please tell me that this is simply a misprint or that we've got some sort of blockbuster deal in the works to lure him back. I mean, how could we ever replace a gem like Tanyon Sturtze? Who is going to step it up and pitch terribly out of the bullpen now? It's all downhill from here, guys. Go ahead and kiss your playoff hopes goodbye.

2006-12-02 07:26:28
5.   monkeypants
I'm not usually conspiratorial about such things, but I wonder how much the ticket pricing is conditioning for the new ballpark. About 24,000 seats remained not only unchanged, they are downright afordable--this is about the same number of future upper deck and bleacher seats at New Yankee Stadium. Meanwhile, the remaining 30,000 seats (corresponding to the seating in the lower decks at NYS) are very pricey, with the pricing steeply graded. This is what everyone feared when they announced the seating capacity of the new stadium--that there would be a larger % of "good" seats (lower decks), justifying even higher ticket prices.
2006-12-02 08:00:58
6.   Cliff Corcoran
4 Very funny, but of course the lack of an arbitration article is meaningless per the post below this one. They can still resign any of those guys.

5 Sounds about right. As a bleacher season ticket holder I'd be happy if the plan is to keep the cheap seats cheap. Let's face it, you can't get those good tickets anymore anyway, even if you could afford them. It's a crime, but it's true.

1 Gomez might not be a bad idea given his solid OBPs with the O's the past couple years, though I'm still suspicious about those numbers.

3 Diana, I think I've seen you at a few BP events at the Coliseum and elsewhere. Didn't know you were blogging!

2006-12-02 08:06:34
7.   Jim Dean
5 That's not conspiratorial - that's spot on analysis.

I do wonder sometimes if my Yankee loyalties will truly survive Yankee Stadium 2. Blasphemy, I know. But when you consider, for 80-90 days of baseball:

1) The way the Bronx residents were screwed out of prime parkland with much of it replaced with grass on top of parking garages
2) How social classes will be further segregrated in a "modern" park
3) How the city gave away prime tax revenue to make great the glorious benefit of the new stadium
4) Those old Yankee films of Dimaggio and Ruth can no longer be played in your mind when you look down at the field

It's a bit hard to feel excited about the product on the field when the business just becomes seedier and seedier. Yankee Stadium 2 is about profit, and that's it. That just saddens me when they are setting attendance records in the old park with their own cable channel, while reducing payroll. There's plenty of profits to go around, esp if they got payroll down to $150 million or so.

Luckily there's still plenty of places in this great land to enjoy a ballgame.

2006-12-02 08:16:02
8.   Jim Dean
One more thought on that 7: Don't get me wrong - I came out of the womb with a wet blue cap, with interlocing N and Y on it, plastered to my hairless head. Over the years I fell in deep love with her. Now it's like she wants big fake tits, lipo, and botox because the old body temple isn't what it used to be. It's like: What happened to the girl I fell in love with? An ideal, sure, that wasn't real to begin with. But it was one I believed.
2006-12-02 08:16:19
9.   kylepetterson
6 simply a lame joke. I was actually reading about the new CBA this morning.
2006-12-02 08:17:22
10.   monkeypants
7 My loyalties are for the team, not the stadium (though I do love the old park, no doubt). But I was most disappointed that new stadium would actually hold significantly few spectators, at the exact same time that the team is setting attendance records with one near sellout after another.
2006-12-02 08:39:51
11.   BklynBmr
7 Good take, JD. I dreaded the day a new stadium would be announced — but strictly for my personal superstitions. (Bill Parcells ain't got nothing on me.) It was fun buying into 'The Curse' and how 'the ghosts' would surface at just the right time. Of course, all this flew in the face of logic, but it added that little mystic element to 'The Rivalry' that drove some of my Boston buds crazy, which I delighted in.

2004 took the air out of that and I'm over it. Socioeconomic impacts aside for a moment, I am excited about the new park. The renderings look great, and I think it will be a step up on Pac Bell Park out here in S.F., in capturing the retro appeal. I'll make the trip to see the old one for the last time, but can't wait for the new one.

2006-12-02 08:50:10
12.   dianagramr

Yes Cliff .... I was one of the very first fan bloggers on (that only means I was one of the first suckers to lay out $49.95 per year for the right to post on :-)

But, I have been interviewed on mlb radio because of my blog, so that was cool.

2006-12-02 09:14:23
13.   kylepetterson
Yankee Stadium II - The Empire Strikes Back

Shouldn't it really be Yankee Stadium 2 1/2?

2006-12-02 09:35:18
14.   C2Coke
To my mind, cutting down the total number of seats is simply ensuring the demand will be way higher than the supply, hence skyrocking new prices.

Fans there for the game will still enjoy the games in the bleachers.

The Bling Bling ones there to talk on their cellphones can cetainly find those $400 tickets (I doubt they will have to pay for them) to sit there and continue to talk on their phones.

2006-12-02 09:43:39
15.   kylepetterson
14 You hit the nail on the head. The huge ticket prices ensure that the seats will not be filled with baseball fans.
2006-12-02 09:55:55
16.   PeteyNice
As long as they keep bleachers and tier affordable they can charge the corporate people sitting in the Field Boxes as much as they want. Tier behind the plate is one of the best values in all of MLB.

The current Stadium is not the Stadium of Ruth and Mantle, that one was destroyed in the 70s. There have been a lot of great moments in this current Stadium but I won't miss it that much. Especially if it means getting a Pac Bell/PNC type palace. I just wish it had a retractable roof.

2006-12-02 10:54:27
17.   C2Coke
16 I think we talked about it here before that the design for the new stadium is said to be designed in a way a retractable roof can be added on in the future. Perhaps when they have more money, perhaps when the box tickets are up to 1000 bucks, perhaps when Wand and Cano is each worth 30 million a year...
2006-12-02 11:15:44
18.   kylepetterson
17 I can't decide which I hate more: Staduims w/ roofs or rain-outs.
2006-12-02 12:05:33
19.   Simone
I hope that the Yankees do sign Wilson as their 1st baseman.
2006-12-02 12:07:57
20.   jakewoods
i dont get the wilson fascination

he played horrendous here. he couldnt hit a lick and he was a below avg fielder

id rather take my chnaces with phillips and if need be trade for a bat in june

2006-12-02 12:13:37
21.   OldYanksFan
I just don't get it.
The only reason I could see for abandoning the Stadium would be to leave the Bronx, and get to a place with better mass transit.

But to build another stadium next door?
Whatever improvements it has could have been added to the 'old Stadium' at a fraction of the cost. For what the new stadium costs, they could have added parking, new bathrooms, new seats, upscale/executive (re: expensive) areas/seating, an indoor atrium around the entire stadium, possibly a roof and all kinds of other goodies.

Imagine what an architect could do with a 500 million$ budget! The new stadium is costing around a billion... correct?

There must be some politics involved.
There is nothing better then an old, historic building that has been totally upgraded and modernized... as you get the best of both worlds.

Am I missing something?

2006-12-02 12:36:05
22.   Mike T
10 I too was very surprised when I saw the seating capacity of the new ballpark. I went to a game at Yankee Stadium last season for the first time in almost 20 years (I live in Vegas), and it just felt great to be back there at the stadium itself. The game was great too, with a Yankee victory (I was at a game vs the Rangers, the night after they came back from 9-0 down to win on a Posada homer in the bottom of the ninth).

Yankee Stadium truly is one of the great temples of American sports. Out here in Vegas the Stardust hotel recently closed to make way for a $4 billion development called Echelon Place, with glamorous new hotels, shopping, a huge casino, etc. Even though Echelon Place will be far superior to the Stardust in every way, the Stardust's closure is a huge loss for Las Vegas because it is such an important part of our history. That's the same way I feel about Yankee Stadium. Even though the new one will be very nice, Yankee Stadium's closure will be a huge loss.

2006-12-02 13:13:23
23.   augustus
I swear, if it wasn't for Pete Abraham's blog as well as Bronx Banter, I don't know what I'd do. You guys are my winter lifeline.
2006-12-02 13:17:44
24.   fgasparini
I know that the moneys spent on building a new stadium can be "deducted" against revenue sharing, which means that for a few years at least the Yanks will be paying for their own asset instead of funding disasters in Pittsburgh and KC. Obviously this is just another aspect of baseball's distorted financial system but the Yankees are smart to take advantage of it. I don't know if renovations carry the same benefit.

As for the old stadium...The bathrooms are horrible. The concourses are narrow. Getting in and out is a nightmare. I won't miss those things.

I would be more behind the new stadium if they restored the 500 foot left center field, and if they provided every paying customer with a taser to hurry up the service at concessions.

2006-12-02 13:18:23
25.   fgasparini
Guys, I need memory help. How do I do the link to other posts again?
2006-12-02 13:19:22
26.   C2Coke
21 What you are missing, and in fact, we here are all missing is the money they will be making with the new stadium. That one billion will be back in their pockets in no time. Now who are "they" may be the question, I am thinking the best decision the Boss ever made was to buy the Yankees, the moneymaker.
2006-12-02 13:21:06
27.   C2Coke
25 Put the number inside the brackets [ ].
2006-12-02 13:26:44
28.   fgasparini
27 Thank you.
2006-12-02 13:34:43
29.   wsporter
The Yankees have increased in value over 100 fold in the 33 years Big Stein's partnership group has owned them. When the new stadium is in place I wouldn't be surprised if the franchise value hits the $1.5 - 1.75 billion range. This really has been remarkable.

Well, I guess you really do have to spend it to make it.

2006-12-02 13:54:15
30.   thelarmis
23 here, here! Bronx Banter & Pete Abe is the best 1-2 punch for Yankee news online, during the offseason as well as during the season. Don't forget to check out nomaas and Steve Goldman over at YES, too.
2006-12-02 13:59:25
31.   thelarmis
my goal is to make it to Yankee Stadium sometime in 07/08. it's been about a dozen years for me, or so. : ( I'd like to take a full tour of monument park, etc. also. i only get home about twice a year and it's usually holiday/family stuff, so it's tough to get out to a game...
2006-12-02 14:39:56
32.   brockdc
30 In no particular order:

1. Bronxbanter
2. Lohud
3. Replacement Level
4. Pintripe Bible
5. NoMaas

My wintertime oxygen.

2006-12-02 14:49:11
33.   jakewoods
I think its time for a new Stadium. As long as they retain most of the good stuff of the old stadium it'll be ok.

Better seats, better parking and traffic

Cant beat it

2006-12-02 15:20:56
34.   BklynBmr
33 Same here. Throw in 'Was Watching' and 'Canyon of Heroes' and there's no room for dessert.
2006-12-02 15:22:18
35.   BklynBmr
Doh! Make 34 in reply to 32...
2006-12-02 15:28:55
36.   Aviezer
All those mentioned are great, but Mike Plugh at Canyon of Heroes is definately up there with them, and I have come to trust his opinions over those of just about anyone. His is a perferct mix of stats and passion. If you don't have it bookmarked you should. Zuleta for example looks very good. Thanks Mike and keep it up.
2006-12-02 15:33:14
37.   Aviezer
Most Valuable, and On the Yankees Beat. Also D.A Humber.
2006-12-02 15:45:25
38.   Jeteupthemiddle
20 I imagine the fascination with Craig Wilson stems from his career OPS+ of 115 and his complete awesomeness against left handed pitchers.

And because I have no idea how to do sorts on OPS+, I can only offer you this name as another player with a career OPS+ of 115--Alfonso Soriano.

2006-12-02 16:07:20
39.   mikeplugh
Yeah, Canyon of Heroes is the best. That Mike guy is like some kind of super genius with x-ray vision and eyes of steel, like Derek Jeter. He can almost will the other bloggers to victory.....

Oh, wait....

I love Mike Axisa's Pending Pinstripes in addition to the above mentioned blogs. The other blogs I like, beyond Deadspin and Fire Joe Morgan, are Red Sox blogs. You can find them here or at COH in the linkroll. Soxaholics, Boston Dirt Dogs, Firebrand of the AL.

There are some great Red Sox blogs that raise the level of the rivalry out of the sewer and actually make it feel more like some brilliant chess match, conducted in a mud pit. Good stuff.

2006-12-02 16:14:21
40.   mikeplugh
As for the new Stadium....

I've been saying since I was a university student, 15 years ago, that I'd turn in my Yankees membership if they ever moved to New Jersey. I was VERY serious about that, and that saying something, given all the baby clothes I have so far for my son, due in less than a month, are Yanks stuff.

When they decided to build next door, I breathed a sigh of relief, shook my fist at the money-grubbing capitalists that are stealing part of the heart of the game from regular fans, and resigned myself to the fact that this is modern baseball. If we enjoy the benefits of a $150 million+ roster, we have to give them something too.

George and company throw a lot of their profits back into the team, unlike many other franchises, and we have to be thankful for that. It's great to be outraged at the situation because it helps us all maintain our own rights and keeps baseball in perspective. Rage against the machine, just let it pass to the point where you can enjoy the product on the field and all the roller coaster rides we take here and elsewhere, be it blogs, bars, conversations with strangers in the subway, etc.....

Yankee Stadium will never turn into Madison Square Garden because Isiah isn't at the helm, and the Yankees brass is way smarter than Dolan.

2006-12-02 16:23:32
41.   brockdc
34 Crap, I didn't include COH and Waswatching! Sorry, Mike and Steve - I oughta' be flogged for such blasphemy.

Is it really true that I occasion as many as 7 Yankee blogs a day? Jeez, I need a 12-step program.

I suppose it could be worse. I could be addicted to SOSH.

2006-12-02 16:25:24
42.   yankz
41 I'm worse, and I don't even try to fight it.
2006-12-02 16:34:43
43.   C2Coke
41,42 What are we now? BB Anonymous? or YB Anonymous (Yankees Blogs)to be more precise...
2006-12-02 16:47:32
44.   bayridger2
6. That's not entirely true. You CAN get a good (or "rich" as you call it) seat. You just have to plan it right. You just buy a single ticket(sorry, friends sit seperetely or don't come at all) to an afternoon game against the Royals in May the minute the tickets become available, and you're all set for some close-up fun.
2006-12-02 17:45:22
45.   unpopster
I was somewhat opposed to the idea of a new Yankee Stadium until I started to visit parks like Camden Yards and the stadiums in Houston and Philadelphia. Now I completely support a new House That Jeter Built for the same reasons that fgasparini 24 pointed out: better bathrooms, larger and unubstructed view concourses, and wider entrance and exit pathways.

But I've also always believed that the NEW Yankee Stadium should include a piece of the old stadium. My idea was to move the Yanks to Shea for a couple of years like they did in the 70's and build the new stadium around the left field wall and monument park. Therefore, one of the four sides of the stadium would still have the genuine structure left over from The Stadium as we know it. Future fathers could take their sons and daughters and motion to left field/monument park and point out that what they saw was the actual remains of the old stadium -- a Bronx version Jerusalem's Western Wall, if you will.

2006-12-02 17:57:46
46.   BklynBmr
45 'The House That Jeter Built'. Now that has a nice ring to it. Good job.
2006-12-02 18:48:29
47.   Raf
8 I guess a lot of people were saying the same thing in the early 70's.

I'm not too crazy about the idea of a new park, but given all the new parks being built, it was only a matter of time before the Yanks got a new park. Hate to see it go, but that's progress.

I was speculating a couple years ago with a friend of mine; what if YS had never been renovated? Do you guys think it would be on the level of Fenway or Wrigley?

2006-12-02 18:48:40
48.   manila boy
20 Why the fascination with Wilson?

In the Postmortem on infielders, Cliff wrote this about him: "... there's a strong chance that he'll right himself with his new team, making the Yankees look foolish for allowing 104 at-bats to outweigh his previous 1858."

About Yankees blogs: I read about ten a day. The Banter is the best.

2006-12-02 22:18:25
49.   Maz
This is what I'm talking about - - minus the Eduardo Perez part.
2006-12-02 23:27:58
50.   Cliff Corcoran
47 I'm sure they did, and they were right. Had the Boss not renevated the Stadium in the mid-70s when concrete donuts and astroturf were all the rage he never could have gotten away with tearing the thing down and building a new one now as the Stadium would be above the level of Fenway or Wrigley. I still want the new park to be pale green and black on the inside, but I know it's not goiging to happen. Maybe they can at least chose a blue that's somewhat close to the actual team color.
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2006-12-02 23:28:56
51.   Cliff Corcoran
49 What are you talking about? Perez would be the better half of that platoon.
2006-12-03 00:01:17
52.   Zack
50 Man, can you imagine the uproar if George tried to tear down an original Yankee staduim? I think were that the case, that really would be reason to yell. As it stands now, I love Yankee stadium, I hate how they went about it in terms of the neighborhood, but I also know that as ballaprks go, current Yankee Stadium isn't exactly a great one. Its got the history, but the current form is hardly all that similar to the original.

I will gumble and complain and pay my tickets and go enjoy the new stadium and make fun of all of the box seaters as I always do.

I can easily live with a new ballpark if it comes with a few championship teams :)

2006-12-03 07:03:05
53.   Jim Dean
47 You're absolutely right. The difference is: 1) I wasn't alive then; and 2) The playing field will be completely different. There will be nothing "leftover" from the old park. It will all be gone and replaced by a modern monstrosity - further divided by class standing and further separated from the community in which it stands. I will be a place for the Yankees play, but it will not be Yankee Stadium.
2006-12-03 09:54:46
54.   Jeteupthemiddle
I think some people are being overdramatic about the new Yankee Stadium.
2006-12-03 10:08:30
55.   yankz
For those of us who frequent multiple blogs: Check out Google Reader. It's hard to explain, but basically it creates a custom "inbox" of your favorite sites. It's really cool.
2006-12-03 13:27:54
56.   rbj
OT Rant:
Fuck you NFL. You go to hell. You go to hell and you die.
I'm all set to watch the Giants - Cowgirls game, and right after the Patriots edge the Lions, what comes on? Freaking Tampa Bay - Steelers.
Goddammit. And what with all the hyping the NFL did about the Giants-Girls game too.
2006-12-03 13:36:41
57.   BklynBmr
56 I'll join ya. After also listening to endless Giants-Dallas promos throughout the 49er-Saints game on FOX, I get FOX News Sunday. On CBS, since the Raiders failed to sellout, we're getting Jacksonville-Miami. I just went to and signed up for the 7 day free trial to catch the home radio broadcast.

I guess if the NFL allows NBC to cherry pick games, someone has to get the crap. The new NFL Network should offer single game PPVs, they'd make a fortune.

2006-12-03 15:04:18
58.   Maz
51Hey that's just how I feel. The Yankees have enough bats. The last thing they need is another subpar defensive first
baseman(which is exactly what Perez would be). Everyone keeps squawking about a righthanded bat at firstbase when they should be concentrating on a good glove. How many extended at bats or flubbed scoops have cost the Yankees. No more experiments at first. Just get a guy who can field the position and get an occasional timely knock...that's exactly what Mientkiewicz would be.

First base is to the 2007 Yankees as Shortstop was to the 1978 Yankees.

2006-12-03 16:43:10
59.   yankz
I'll add, fuck you Tony Romo, but also fuck the Giants' D. What the hell was that? Also, who else felt really bad for Eli when they showed him on the sidelines, hand on his hips, looking awfully depressed?
2006-12-03 18:02:50
60.   randym77
4 The Atlanta Braves have signed Tanyon Sturtze.

ATLANTA — The Atlanta Braves signed right-hander Tanyon Sturtze to a one-year contract Sunday on the eve of the winter meetings, hoping he will be able to come back from rotator cuff surgery.

Sturtze is guaranteed $750,000 and would make another $350,000 if he spends one day on the Braves' 25-man roster. He also could earn another $450,000 in bonuses based on the number of appearances he makes as a starter and reliever.

Whatever shall we do?

2006-12-03 18:45:24
61.   Raf
53 I wasn't born either. As for your second point, there isn't really anything remaining from the old park in the current one either; maybe a shadow of original dimensions in Death Valley. And the old location of the bullpens. The field was replaced a while ago.

I can't seem to get a straight answer from those who went to the original YS; were the monuments moved, or are they in their original location?

Either way, it would've been cool to watch a game in the original park (perhaps from the #4 platform.. lol), what with the short porch and death valley. I guess I could live with the obstructed views if I were a paying customer.

Will the new park be a monstrosity? Can't really say for sure. It reminds me of Comerica, which is a very spacious park. Reminds me, I gotta get back to Tiger Stadium before they tear it down. How cool would it have been to play a playoff game (or least an All-Star Game) there? They couldn't b/c the park was in disrepair, for those who care

2006-12-03 18:48:44
62.   BklynBmr
59 I know Simone is celebrating right about now and rightfully so — the 'Boys indeed brought it today but were helped out big time with 100+ yards of bonehead penalties. Thanks, coaches, great f'n job keeping the squad focused! But Big-D got it done on 3rd downs when the pressure was on. We didn't. From 6-2 to maybe a WC if we get help.

Can't describe it, but Jint letdowns will place me in court-ordered anger management classes way before Yankee failures will...

60 Good for Tanyon. He'll thrive for a year in the NL, and Baltimore or Toronto will throw $20M at him in '08 — so in a way he'll still be working for us ;-)

2006-12-03 19:06:30
63.   randym77
62 I'm celebrating, too, I confess. I'm just happy they pulled it out, because it was looking ugly for awhile there. Dallas had almost as many penalties as the Giants. Romo threw two INTs and fumbled. And I'm still not thrilled about Grammatica.
2006-12-03 19:10:57
64.   wsporter
60 Wish him well and move on I guess.

It's just like Nixon, "What will we do now that we don't have Tanyon Sturtze to kick around anymore?"

2006-12-03 19:32:51
65.   Schteeve
20 You don't get the Wilson fascination, because he "didn't hit a lick in New York." But You think we should stick with Andy P?

Without looking at the numbers, I think Andy had many more chances to try to hit a lick than Craig Wilson did. Plus Craig Wilson has shown the ability to hit MLB pitching, Andy Phillips has not.

2006-12-03 19:36:55
66.   Schteeve
58 Your post doesn't make one bit of sense.
2006-12-03 20:02:09
67.   Schteeve
54 Your post makes 1 million bits of sense.
2006-12-03 20:02:39
68.   BklynBmr
63 A begrudged congrats, randym ;-)

Yeah, Grammatica was definitely a curious move, let alone cutting Vanderjagt in the first place, but the Tuna is looking like Einstein right now. Should be an interesting December, but the 'Boys are in control for sure...

2006-12-03 20:08:19
69.   randym77
69 The Tuna never liked Vanderjagt. He had an attitude, but didn't have the skills to back it up. At least, not this year.

But Grammatica...oy. The guy who blew out his knee celebrating an extremely routine and unimportant field goal. And who perhaps has reason to celebrate even routine field goals, since he's not exactly Mr. Accurate. :-P

2006-12-03 21:18:09
70.   yankz
Peter Abraham says Melky, Humberto, and Eric Duncan is a realistic proposal for D-Train.

I'd hate to see Melky go, but I think I'd do it.

2006-12-03 21:22:23
71.   Schteeve
What I don't get about the NYFootball Giants, is how a coach with a reputation for being a drill seargent, can't get his team to 1) Wrap up a tackle and 2) Not makes colossaly stupid decisions week after week, I'm looking at you Plax.
2006-12-03 22:07:57
72.   weeping for brunnhilde
70 Please God don't let that happen.

I've invested far too much emotional energy in Melky to see him just walk away.

I just want to watch one of our guys develop for once, is that so much to ask?

I'm eager to watch Melky play and help the team win.

I want to see him hit .320 and turn into the next Derek.

He's got so, so much potential.

2006-12-03 22:13:16
73.   brockdc
70 Any GM in their right mind would probably do that deal in an instant. Still, my love for Melky is probably disproportionate to his actual value to the team. His OBP and defensive prowess aside, Melky seems to have that vivacious little brother quality that complements the more professionally stoic element of the rest of the roster.

So I'd pass.

2006-12-03 22:15:03
74.   brockdc
And what 72 said.
2006-12-03 23:14:38
75.   Zack
70 I think the Yankees would HAVE to do that trade and laugh all the way to the stadium. Melky is a fourth outfielder, Duncan is still a prospect in name and age, but has been stalled at AA, and Humberto is injury prone but a legit starter. I would regret seeing Melky go cause he is fun, but lets be honest, that trde really only costs us Sanchez, as we don't really need Duncan and Melky is fairly replacable...

In Willis, you get a 24 year old pitcher who has shown to be very talanted. Sure, he slipped last year, but hes only 24. And he's fun, really fun.

There is no way you couldn't be happy with that trade, love for Melky aside, I just don't see it happening, they could do better than that package...

2006-12-04 01:40:03
76.   mikeplugh
70 I virtually guarantee that this trade won't happen. (Watch me look the fool in a couple of days.)

The Yankees would be getting a soon-to-be 25 year old left handed starter with a career ERA+ of 120. For that, we'd be giving up:

1. A player who BR projects to have a 20% chance of being star quality by 2010. (Melky)

2. A top pitching prospect with injury problems.

3. A 1B prospect that can't do anything past the AA level.

Whatever upside any of those players has, it won't begin to show until 2009-2010, if ever. I hate to give up Melky, but the Yankees can buy players much better than Melky Cabrera, and probably should. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Melky turn into Bernie, Jr. but I'd much rather see a 24 year old lefty ace in pinstripes. They just don't grow on trees like good outfielders.

2006-12-04 05:46:18
77.   rbj
I'd hate to see Melky go too, he seems to bring a bit of stability and joy to Cano, but good starting pitching is a commodity in short supply.
2006-12-04 05:48:58
78.   weeping for brunnhilde
75 There most certainly is a way I wouldn't be happy with that trade and I don't know why I should be forced to put my love for Melky aside, as if that's a non-factor.

For me, it's very important to develop relationships with the players on my team. That's a huge part of my enjoying the experience.

Let's say, for argument's sake, that you could, with one stroke of the pen, replace each and every man on the current roster with a player of superior or at least equal value.

Would you make the deal?

I wouldn't.

Sometimes love is more important than statistics.

2006-12-04 05:57:15
79.   weeping for brunnhilde
76 77 Agreed about your points about pitching.

I'm not insensitive to that fact.

I think maybe I'm drawing a line in the sand here.

I understand that sometimes it's important to make tough choices for the good of the team, and I'm not saying this wouldn't be a tough choice, it would.

It's just that I was so attached to both Johnson and Sori, both because I was looking forward to see them develop as individuals and because I felt like they were a bridge between the 2001 and the future.

Continuity is important to me.

Juan Rivera's another guy I was looking forward to watching, but I wasn't as attached to him because he never got the same playing time as the others, but same idea.

And one last thing: If this trade should go down, don't let me find out they trade Willis after two seasons because he's not the ace they expected, like they did with Vazquez.

If Willis is really their plan for the future, they'd better stick with it for more than one or two seasons.

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