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So, you didn't think Sheff was going to leave with quiet dignity or something silly like that, did you? Hey, he ain't goin' out like that.
Sheff was great on the Yankees. I wish him well wherever he ends up. I was hoping he would have stayed.
my favorite quote so far was found in the newsday.com story:
As for his own potential revenge, Sheffield vowed that he will get the Yankees somewhere, sometime. "When you let me go, I have a chip on my shoulder," he said, "and I'm coming with it."
i'm assuming he later added that he then proceeds to intentionally throw that chip into the stands.
does he realize how these outburts make him appear? personally, i enjoy the needless drama. it serves as a momentary distraction from a bidding process that isn't moving along fast enough for my liking.
Three years ago Alex quoted an e-mail I sent him about how I didn't want Sheffield on the Yankees. I have to thank Gary for making me look good.
What he wants, and he has basically said this, was to be a free agent or for the Yanks to extend his contract. First he wanted to be a free agent, after the Yanks picked up the option, he said he wanted an extention.
As for the Shef and Alex relationship, I would almost be worried, except it can't really get all that worse for Arod. If Shef was helping, he seemingly wasn't doing a very good job.
I will remember the guy who seemed like A-Rod's big brother, saying out loud that he "had his back" in different situations. Is there any connection to A-Rod's lackluster season and Sheff's everyday absense from the clubhouse?
I will remember Sheff staring down Pedro after an ill advised plunking, saying "Not me. Not me.". Lots of barking, but he didn't go Manny on him (re: Manny vs Clemens '03 ALCS Game 3).
I will remember Sheff almost knocking down the Green Monster in the "Schilling returns as closer" game.
I will remember Sheff saying he wouldn't risk his future playing with his hurt wrist, but he was in the lineup anyway.
Those things I didn't read in the papers or hear about 2nd hand. Those things I saw with my own two eyes. He earned my respect as a Yankee player. He says a lot of things, but when it really mattered, when the players walked down the tunnel to the field, he took his spot.
Say what you want about his opinionated self, and his clear issues with authority and management, but he's not Pavano.
while having a couple legitimate beefs is one thing, airing your dirty laundry in the tabloids whenever you have an opportunity is not what i would consider to be professional behavior. he negotiated his own contract. at some point you have to stop pointing fingers and accept a bit of responsibility. right?
Between Sheff and Abreu, the right field position was not something the Yankees could brag about.
The Yankees were also 30 games over .500 w/ Matsui out, and lost those same 3 games in the playoffs. See ya to him as well?
Did the Yankees really have Terrance Long in right field? That just doesn't seem possible. I'd like to block that out if I could.
it's like a bad dream...
Plays hard? I suppose so, though no more than most players. His outfield play could get pretty lackadaisical. (And can we please hold back on judging Carl Pavano's character? Isn't it possible that the guy is, y'know, injured? I never forget J. R. Richard...)
Sheffield's always been willing to casually disrespect his teammates if it serves his purposes. He did it in Milwaukee, in LA and as a Yankee - Abreu here, and Jeter and Rodriguez, if not as directly, in his magazine interview last year.
Does he want to stay in New York to win? I don't know. He's only ever talked about respect and money, which seem to be the same thing to him.
And finally, it all comes back to Milwaukee. What he did there was disgraceful, as were his later comments. If he'd ever expressed an ounce of regret about it, it might be different. But he's never done that; in fact, since then he may not have shown the same behavior, but he's shown the same attitude, over and over and over.
I said it three years ago, I'll say it again now. I don't care how good a hitter he is, I don't want him on my team.
15 You've just described "True Yankee" Billy Martin (:
Not every player on the "Dynasty" team of the late 90's was the epitome of class. David Wells? Roger Clemens? My God - for awhile the Yankees had Jose Canseco on the team.
Some would argue that smashing water coolers in the dugout is not a real classy way to behave, but Paulie was a winner and a few people are wondering if his number will be retired as well.
What they all had in common was passion for the game. They were all winners.
I think Sheff is a winner, and I'm sorry that he lost his spot on the team while out with an injury.
Sheff can be a dickhead. No argument. The Yankees have had plenty of dickheads on their teams over the years.
Not saying you do this - but there are folks who complain that Jeter never utters anything of substance, yet also complain that Sheff never shuts up. Not sure what people want.
Ken Davidoff's blog had a good take on the event last night, and some insight into Sheff. I especially liked this part: (link for full post: http://blogs.trb.com/sports/baseball/yankees/blog/)
And later in the interview Sheffield stopped talking on a whim, paused, and, with a straight face, said, "You all haven't asked me nothing about my foundation."
Silence fell over us.
Then Sheffield laughed.
"Just kidding," he said.
And then he continued ranting and ripping.
(Me again). I think most of Sheff's ranting is all for show. Like I said before - what comes out of his mouth does not match what happens on the field. At least what I've seen during his time with the Yankees. I believe what happens on the field. Talk is cheap, and most of the talk is clearly provoked by reporter questioning.
Would I prefer Sheff pull a Jeter and say nothing? Yeah, maybe. Then all we'd have is his on field performance to judge him by.
But whatever. :-) I like Sheff. Some don't. I can see both sides of the argument.
However, I understand why not telling the Yankees about his rib injury might cause some to question his character.
Heck, at least that was about trying to play when he was hurt. But you're right, there's no excuse for hiding an injury.
rbj you're saying he's willing to learn a new position just to stay -- but that was just yesterday's comment. Last week, he unequivocally said he was not willing to play 1B. So which story are we to believe? The original one, or the one his agent probably told him to tell in retrospect?
Sheff's a great bat that's lousy on defense at this stage of his career. As has been pointed out multiple times, the Ynaks have way too many of those. I would love to keep Sheff as a DH...if Giambi was actually a 1Bman or if I actually thought Sheff would become a decent one. Since he's not and I doubt he will, trade Sheffield for prospects -- pitching and/or catching. Ultimately...he's redundant.
23 posts so far and no speculation whatsoever as to what the Yanks ought to get in return for Sheff. If I'm Ca$hmoney, I'm looking for a mid-20s AAA 1B who can hit well and field better, and a young(er) power arm. Who of the Cubs, Phillies, Astros, Tigers, Indians, Padres, Rangers, Giants, and Angels can offer these?
(I got the list of teams from espn.com's rumor central, which also included the Mets and the Orioles. But no way in hell Sheff ever goes to either of those teams. And I know neither of them has what the Yanks want anyway.)
it appears as though cleveland placed a bid on him. (see the bottom of the article below.)
this, unfortunately, is the extent of the latest news on the still developing situation.
I love the guy as a hitter; he played hard and hurt for us. He showed up and tried to play first base when he could have sat on his ass, collected his salary and not heard a word about it. For the life of me though I can't see how he now sounds like anything other than a spoiled, self absorbed, unaware brat. There is just too much crap going on around us now in this ugly world for that sort of Bull Sh** not to get me worked up. Guys like that, who say things like that and act the way he has just give me a rash. From my POV if he had just shut the F' up, honored the contract he negotiated or renegotiated it quietly and moved on I'd still be a fan. Using a charity event as a forum for those comments only makes me like him less. When isn't it only about Gary according to Gary?
Hang on to that buck and spend it on a beer at the Skeller, well at least part of a beer! Do they still sell beer there? ;-)
Heck - read Ken Davidoff's blog. The beat reporters never once asked him about the event or his foundation. That's not news.
I agree that the event was a poor choice of venues for this Q&A, but I don't put the blame solely on Sheff. The reporters were there not to cover the event, but to pepper him with questions about his contract and his future.
I hear what you're saying, and I agree to a point. Sheff could have said "Listen guys, let's either talk about the event, my foundation, or let's call it a night", but he didn't. He answered the questions that were asked of him.
Did he use the event to take another shot at Cash and Co? I dunno. Maybe.
God, I wish we had games to talk about. The off season is just awful. I enjoy the hot stove speculation to some degree, and the sundry gossip that goes along with it, but man I'm counting the days till Pitchers and Catchers.
Beer for a buck - you won't find that in many places in Red Sox Nation, but its all over upstate NY. No wonder why Yankee fans are more mellow! ;)
I quickly looked at the AAA league leaders in OPS, and none of the 1Bs looked appealing. Maybe Josh Phelps, but I don't remember his glove being good.
He isn't the first player not to disclose an injury, nor will he be the last.
That moment stuck in my mind, as well, and I was very happy we had a guy like that in pinstripes at the time.
I wish things were different and he could stay for another year, but as stated above, we had a great season without him and we'll do it again. It's also nice to be on the other end of a trade, possibily getting a prospect or two instead of watching them gel in enemy uniforms.
33 I feel badly about this stuff with Shef. I really don't like talking about our guys this way.
i loved him when he was between the lines, but it is sad that this is how his time in 'stripes is ending.
The other stuff - the press stuff - I sort of laugh uncomfortably, kinda hoping he'll stop, but knowing he won't.
But oh well. Sheff ain't gonna be our guy to talk about for long. Good riddance, or good luck, either way - good bye Gary Sheffield. It was fun knowin' ya.
Not you too? A fellow traveler, one of the Dutchmen?
37 Re: the point of a Skeller with no beer - two words: chicken parm. My mouth is watering. I hope that hasn't changed. And that they still have the vintage 70s stand up Star Wars arcade game.
36 For Sheff, I'd think the Yanks will gladly take two prospects, or a major-league ready first baseman. The question is, from whom?
27 Actually, I did a lot of speculating about this before the season ended. I had lots of people telling me we could never trade him though. The attititude and "payback" seemed to be the big worry.
It would be nice if teams with deep farm systems like the DBacks and Dodgers were interested. I really don't like the idea of dealing Sheff to another AL team. However, the Tigers have quality arms. Zumaya could be turned back into a starter. Maybin is probably the crown jewel, but if Cash could swing that in a multi-player it'd be something.
From the Halos, we might be able to get Casey Kotchman or Kendry Morales to man first. Kotchman was awful this year, but he had mono. I'd love to see Nick Adenhart included. He's had TJ surgery and has come back strong. They also have an Australian catcher named Michael Collins who currently seems to be a line driver hitter without much power. I'm not sure about his defense.
The Cubs don't seem deep. I imagine Prior would be worth a flier for one year of Sheff. Rich Hill put it together down the stretch, but that's not exactly money in the bank. I think their top prospect Pawelek struggled, but would be well worth a look.
Phillies - not much there. Maybe the proposed Floyd and Madson deal if nothing better comes along. But, seriously, you might as well keep Sheff in that case.
Astros- Hirsh and Pence are class. I doubt they'd give them up.
The Rangers have arms intheir DVD trio. Thing is there are big question marks about each of them. Volquez wasn't exactly lights out down the stretch. Danks was inconsistent, but he's the youngest of them and has been pushed the most, I think. Eric Hurley emerged this year and was one of the best pitchers in the minors.
I'd also like to see about a catcher like Chris Snyder of ARI. They had him behind Estrada all season and then brought up a rookie, Montero, I think, who may take over the job. I'd rather give up Wright for him though.
So, there you have it. One slightly informed man's opinion.
Anyone know anything about Nate Gold, first baseman in the Rangers' system?
I believe he is an honorable guy. His actions (play on the field) show us this. His mouth, is an outlet for his immediate emotions... and in this case, his hurt feelings.
Yes, baseball is a business. If the Yankees did NOT pick up his contract, he may have been able to get a 3 year deal with the team of his choice.
Instead, he plays one year for a team (either in the NL with no DH, or a non-competing AL team) of the Yankees choosing. Then, in 2008, he gets to pick another team, hopefully where he will hit #500, and hope he can get a 2 year deal.
The Yankees taking Shefs option was best for the Yankees, but screwed Shef. I'd be pissed too. I might not mouth-off in public, but I'd be way pissed. Instead of 3 years with one team, he may end up with 2 years with 2 teams... or 3 years with 3 teams.
In 2008, in Boston, there's a good chance we will face Papi, Manny and Shef. In playing 81 games with the Green Monster, Shef may post very good numbers, and hit #500 in Boston... maybe the same year Manny does.
It's business. There is no honor in business. But I'd still be way pissed.
In 2007, we fans may have the pleasure of seeing Shef screwed, ARod traded and Bernie playing in a different uniform. I wish it could be different.
if you'd asked any of us how likely that scenario would be 2 years ago, you would've been exiled.
these are some strange days.
I'll never understand why people keep making excuses for him. Yes, he can hit. He's also a selfish, arrogant bastard. I didn't see that he showed more character than anyone else. Mouthing off to Pedro? BFD. I'm sorry, but mouthing off isn't character. A "winner?" Why? He's a good hitter and a lousy person.
And if he's never taken it out between the lines as a Yankee, well, he's done it before and he's never repudiated it. As far as I'm concerned, you only get one chance to completely ditch on your team, even if it's not the Yankees. I have this thing - the integrity of the game actually extends beyond the Yankees. He violated the integrity of the game and bragged about it; simply not doing it again isn't enough to convince me that he really gives a damn about it.
And no, I don't think what he says is "for show," and I don't think it's understandable anger, and I don't think it's because he wants to stay a Yankee. It's what he's always done, it's who he is, and I don't know why anyone wants to excuse it.
does anyone else think that big stein's health is the reason why sheff has been told to keep his distance from the man?
could be really be doing that poorly?
Two more very short points. First, about his playing hurt: lots of players play hurt. Almost all of them do, to one extent or another. Most of them don't talk about it much; Sheffield made damn sure everyone knew about it the entire time.
Second, about his always playing hard and the character he showed between the lines. Here's something he said before this season: "When I give out what I'm giving out and I don't feel like I'm getting back, I just go the other way. But the motivation has always been there here. I've never had to go the other way."
That just...inspires me with its depth of character. I'm just glad we're getting rid of him before he "had to go the other way."
i can finally stop refreshing the mlb.com homepage and going to espn.com and going back to mlb.com...
this is from the AP wire:
"The waiting began Wednesday for teams that bid for Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka.
His Japanese club, the Pacific League's Seibu Lions, said they have been notified of the highest bid for the 26-year-old right-hander. They said they will not make a decision on whether to accept until after a meeting of their board of directors not expected to be held before Friday at the earliest."
"YankeesRed Sox Rivalry Running Dangerously Low On Storylines"
Btw, I prefer Derek Jeter saying nothing of substance and tact to Gary Sheffield's obnoxiousness that masquerades as telling the truth any day of the freaking week. Better to be kind and treat people with respect or at least leave them alone than to be a meanspirited cheater who has sabotaged his own team like Sheffield.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
JL, you make great points in 47 and 50. I understand completely where you're coming from. But Sheff doesn't drive me crazy at all. For me, I don't think of it as excusing him; I just don't care. If he wants to come off as a whiny, petulant child in the media, I say let him. As long as it doesn't negatively affect his play on the field, I don't give a damn what he does off the field.
I don't always succeed at this, but I try to avoid judging these guys' character and whatnot because we have such an incomplete picture of them. We don't truly know any of these players. At best we get a filtered view, only a small part of the overall picture. It just seems, well, somewhat improper (that's not really the word I'm looking for) to make a decision based on that. That said, I've done it many times - Curt Schilling, for example, and Kenny Rogers and Todd Jones recently - but part of me always feels bad later.
I guess that's the biggest reason why I don't care about all this whiny crap coming out of Sheff's mouth. He produced on the field, very well, and that's enough for me.
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