Heh, notice how ESPN has to mention the Red Sox TWICE? "even though they led the league in lowest errors" Remember the discussion we had here a few months ago about the questionable official scoring at Fenway? Yah.
I don't know why they just don't announce it. They already have the results. It's like they try to drag out some sort of tension for as long as they can.
The real crime is Eric Chavez (ZR .776) beating Brandon Inge (ZR .825 #1 ML) and Mike Lowell (ZR .811) solely on the basis of reputation and lack of errors. Errors, the third most arbitrary statistic in baseball, behind wins and RBIs.
It seems as if once someone wins a GG, he's a favorite to win it the following year, unless something fairly dramatic happens. I suppose that's because there aren't agreed-upon stats that capture all of fielding.
The GG lost its credibility ages ago so Jeter might as well win because it makes most of the Yankee universe happy and more imporantly because it makes Red Sox fans crazy. This is totally a win/win situation.
10 I think you're spot on, it's been a joke for a while now — as most if not all "industry awards" are. From Nobel Peace 'prizes' to soap opera performances, it's all an inside politics circle-jerk.
If players only vote, I'll listen. Until then, I'll just wait for Time magazine to name Ayman al-Zawahiri as 'Person of The Year', for his media savvy if nothing else.
Eh, you win the Gold Glove with your bat for the most part. Jeter clearly hit well enough to win the thing. I'd say Torii Hunter is a reputation -only selection at this point as well.
11 You're right on both counts (GG not meaning much now & driving Sox fans crazy). But I would also think it would drive any intelligent baseball fan crazy, even if he is your team's player.
15 "But I would also think it would drive any intelligent baseball fan crazy, even if he is your team's player."
Intelligent baseball fan... considering the excessive booing and blame certain individuals had received this season, the people who voted on this might have figured there weren't that many to make a difference, so what the hell...
15 No, why should it drive intelligent fans crazy? You don't have to be a baseball genius to understand that individual honors are subjective.
Given how much the Yankees are resented around the league I'm pleasantly surprised when one is honored by his colleagues.
I respect the decision of the AL managers and coaches. Good for Jeter.
Like many of you, I stopped thinking the GGs had any real value years ago. Too subjective. I just wish the debate in the MSM over who should have won would start to involve the advanced fielding metrics, like Dewan's plus/minus, because that would add to the conversation. Instead we get the same garbage about fielding percentage and blah blah blah.
17 Diana, I'm curious to see what Dewan's system says about Cano. BP's numbers had him significantly better than Grudz.
The GG is supposed to be awarded for "superior individual fielding performance." I love DJ for his hitting, his competitiveness, his clutch performances, his over-the-shoulder catches that make very tough plays look automatic, and all his intangible qualities. But anyone who claims that DJ is now, or has ever been, the "superior fielding" SS in the AL is either lying, blind, or just plain doesn't know anything about playing SS. He is an average fielder, with limited range and a mediocre arm who makes a couple of kinds of plays as well as anybody. One wonders why he was never converted to an outfielder, honestly.
It's clearly a politically-motivated, veteran's award, and very difficult to lose once you win it a couple of times.
21 I didn't say he deserves the award. I said the award is subjective, and I respect the decision of the AL managers and coaches. These individual honors are meaningless to me. I couldn't care less who they give the Gold Glove to, or the MVP for that matter.
I was responding to 15 who suggested intelligent baseball fans should be up in arms about Jeter winning this. I totally disagree with that.
"I'll just wait for Time magazine to name Ayman al-Zawahiri as 'Person of The Year', for his media savvy if nothing else."
It really annoys me how they've PC'ed that feature. It was originally conceived as the person who had the greatest effect on world events that year. They gave it to Hitler, Stalin twice, and the Ayatollah Khomeini. Then in 2001 they give it to Rudy Giuliani, when it clearly should have been Osama Bin Laden. Obviously this isn't the biggest deal in the world, but i think it shows how the media has really lost it's balls and is more concerned with pleasing people than reporting on the truth
23 Agreed. News has become entertainment. It's expected to get ratings and earn money...which means telling people what they want to hear, not what they need to hear.
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Of course, ESPN thinks he didn't deserve it... :-P
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I don't know why they just don't announce it. They already have the results. It's like they try to drag out some sort of tension for as long as they can.
If players only vote, I'll listen. Until then, I'll just wait for Time magazine to name Ayman al-Zawahiri as 'Person of The Year', for his media savvy if nothing else.
Sigh .... :-(
Intelligent baseball fan... considering the excessive booing and blame certain individuals had received this season, the people who voted on this might have figured there weren't that many to make a difference, so what the hell...
Given how much the Yankees are resented around the league I'm pleasantly surprised when one is honored by his colleagues.
I respect the decision of the AL managers and coaches. Good for Jeter.
17 Diana, I'm curious to see what Dewan's system says about Cano. BP's numbers had him significantly better than Grudz.
Pudge beating out Jorgie? I doubt half those managers voting even notice whats going on.
The GG is supposed to be awarded for "superior individual fielding performance." I love DJ for his hitting, his competitiveness, his clutch performances, his over-the-shoulder catches that make very tough plays look automatic, and all his intangible qualities. But anyone who claims that DJ is now, or has ever been, the "superior fielding" SS in the AL is either lying, blind, or just plain doesn't know anything about playing SS. He is an average fielder, with limited range and a mediocre arm who makes a couple of kinds of plays as well as anybody. One wonders why he was never converted to an outfielder, honestly.
It's clearly a politically-motivated, veteran's award, and very difficult to lose once you win it a couple of times.
I was responding to 15 who suggested intelligent baseball fans should be up in arms about Jeter winning this. I totally disagree with that.
It really annoys me how they've PC'ed that feature. It was originally conceived as the person who had the greatest effect on world events that year. They gave it to Hitler, Stalin twice, and the Ayatollah Khomeini. Then in 2001 they give it to Rudy Giuliani, when it clearly should have been Osama Bin Laden. Obviously this isn't the biggest deal in the world, but i think it shows how the media has really lost it's balls and is more concerned with pleasing people than reporting on the truth
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