Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Game Four, Take 2
2006-10-26 16:58
by Cliff Corcoran
Note: The Bronx Banter blog has moved to

It looks like they're going to get the game in tonight. The pitching match up is Jeff Suppan against Michael J. Fo . . . er Jeremy Bonderman.

Desperate to get his offense going down 2-1 in the Series, Jim Leyland has dropped ALCS MVP Placido Polanco to the seventh spot in the order, moved Carlos Guillen into the vacated third spot and Sean Casey into Guillen's fifth spot. Curtis Granderson and Ivan Rodriguez, who, like Polanco, are 0 for the World Series, remain batting first and sixth, however. Good luck with that, Jimbo.

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2006-10-26 17:24:09
1.   Eirias
Michael J. Fox? Impressive. It took me a while to get the reference.
2006-10-26 17:34:06
2.   Cliff Corcoran
That's why the link, Eirias.
2006-10-26 17:34:14
3.   randym77
From Newsday:

Don Mattingly will replace Lee Mazzilli as Yankees bench coach, people with knowledge of the situation told Newsday Thursday.

The promotion brings Mattingly one important step closer to the manager's seat and solidifies him as the favorite to be Joe Torre's successor. Torre's contract expires after next season.

2006-10-26 17:41:26
4.   Simone
Good one, Cliff. I'm rooting Michael J. urr... Bonderman.
2006-10-26 17:42:13
5.   Simone
Wow, Pujols doesn't strike out often.
2006-10-26 17:45:19
6.   Cliff Corcoran
On three pitches, no less.
2006-10-26 17:53:59
7.   randym77
Edmonds probably didn't expect the catcher to run on him.
2006-10-26 18:04:16
8.   Cliff Corcoran
And Pudge forgets it's an NL game, so with two outs they walk #8 hitter and retire the pitcher.
2006-10-26 18:09:19
9.   OldYanksFan
RLYW has a REALLY good analysis on Matsuzaka.
If the RLYW numbers are close to representative, then Matsuzaka appears to be a #2 at best, and has some weaknesses that might be exploited by MLB.

As badly as we need pitching, I can't see paying 15+ million for this guy.

He also has a lot of innings on his arm, including many at a young age. Isn't that the formula for injury?

2006-10-26 18:17:19
10.   Stormer Sports
Check Suppan's hand! I think he is rubbing stem cells on the ball.
2006-10-26 18:37:58
11.   Simone
How does Michael J. let David Eckstein of all people hit him? Ugh.
2006-10-26 18:54:28
12.   Chyll Will
Sorry about 101 Cliff, it was there and I had to shoot. I read you wrong, WBGO is the way to go of course. Somehow though, I always got the impression I was "on notice" with you from early on >;)
2006-10-26 18:58:47
13.   Cliff Corcoran
12 Not at all, and I was just kidding in the last thread.
2006-10-26 19:02:22
14.   Chyll Will
13 I know. Good night all >;)
2006-10-26 19:08:32
15.   Bama Yankee
12 I liked 101 from the last thread Chyll. Of course, I'm in the bridge business so I guess I'm a sucker for bridge humor ;-)
2006-10-26 19:13:55
16.   Cliff Corcoran
15 The bridge business? You're a dentist?
2006-10-26 19:17:34
17.   Bama Yankee
16 LOL. I'd probably been better off as a dentist. Although I don't know if I could make a living putting my hands in someone's mouth.
2006-10-26 19:21:45
18.   randym77
17 Structural engineer? Dive inspector? Toll collector? Troll? ;-)
2006-10-26 19:27:29
19.   Bama Yankee
18 You guys are on a roll. Actually, I got my degree in Mechanical Engineering. Someday I hope to move up into Toll Collection and I only do dive inspection as a hobby. The only trolls around here are Red Sox and Mets fans ;-)
2006-10-26 19:32:27
20.   Simone
What was the point of that bunt? A wasted out.
2006-10-26 19:34:39
21.   randym77
20 I also have a degree in mechanical engineering, but ended up working in bridge inspection and similar things. At my office, they call me the "uncivil engineer." Only partly because my degree isn't in civil engineering. ;-)
2006-10-26 19:40:23
22.   Cliff Corcoran
19 So you design bridges? Did you have a hand in this one?

2006-10-26 19:43:14
23.   randym77
22 Galloping Gerdie!

Come on, Tiggers. Can you make it interesting, at least? I hope you lose, 'cause you're cheaters who have tar-nished the game, but I want it to go seven, darn it.

2006-10-26 19:44:14
24.   Bama Yankee
21 Yeah, but didn't you go to Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst.? My University of Alabama degree might as well be from a box of Cracker Jacks in comparison.

Bridge inspection. You don't do work for the NYDOT do you? Those guys always give us fits when we do bridges up there. BTW, we do prefabricated steel bridges in case you were wondering.

2006-10-26 19:48:19
25.   Bama Yankee
22 Good one, Cliff. No, we did not do that one (and I doubt that randym was involved in the inspection of that one either).

BTW, thanks for the link to that. I have never seen the color footage of the Tacoma Narrows collapse. You are the man, Cliff.

2006-10-26 19:50:14
26.   randym77
24 Engineers are the only ones who've even heard of RPI.

At least you've got a football team...

2006-10-26 19:52:59
27.   randym77
And they got out of it. Amazing.
2006-10-26 19:53:53
28.   Shaun P
26 Us Union graduates (wsporter and me) have heard of RPI, too!

And I thought RPI had a football team? I bet Alabama does not have a hockey team though. ;)

2006-10-26 19:57:21
29.   Bama Yankee
28 Actually they recently started a club hockey team at Alabama. They have to play in Birmingham since that is the closet rink. You know the UAH Chargers (in Hunstville, AL) always have a pretty good college hockey team and have been competitive nationally in the past(pretty amazing for a southern college).
2006-10-26 19:57:37
30.   Bama Yankee
Thanks for the funny stuff tonight guys, but I'm out for the night.
2006-10-26 19:58:23
31.   randym77
28 RPI has a Division III football team. Being so small, they can only have one Division I sport, and that's hockey.

Being from Hawaii, I didn't realize that. My first day on campus, I got to talking to some football players, and they were telling jokes that had analytic geometry punchlines. I figured I was doomed to flunk out, if even the football players were that smart.

Eventually, I realized they were just ordinary students who happened to play football. It was the hockey team that was there on athletic scholarships.

2006-10-26 19:59:26
32.   Shaun P
I can't take much more of this. "Say, Joe, there are very few middle relievers who are strikeout pitchers . . ."

For the hell of it, I counted 13 or 14 middle relievers out of the top 26 pitchers in K/9 this season (discounting guys who only threw ~20 innings or less).

2006-10-26 20:00:49
33.   randym77
32 Watching Fox really makes me appreciate Michael Kay.
2006-10-26 20:01:11
34.   Shaun P
31 Yeah, that's what I thought. Union is the same way, though our hockey program does not have the reputation RPI's does.
2006-10-26 20:11:15
35.   wsporter
34 MFD, What's an RPI? Does it come with egg roll?
2006-10-26 20:13:35
36.   randym77
Some sports radio guy in Florida wants the Marlins to trade for A-Rod. They've got more pitchers than they know what to do with, but are lacking in offensive firepower. He wants the Yankees to pay all of A-Rod's salary. We'd get Dontrelle Willis in exchange.

Dunno if A-Rod would go for it, though. He might like going back home to Florida, I guess.

2006-10-26 20:13:51
37.   Shaun P
35 Good one, MFD! I knew you were out there somewhere.

And I believe we're all mis-stating the name of the fine school located in lovely Troy. Doesn't it go by just Rensselaer now?

randym, just out of curiousity, when did you graduate? I knew quite a few people at RPI when I was at Union.

2006-10-26 20:15:33
38.   Shaun P
Sadly, now every bunt-lover out there will point to that play as to why bunting is good.

Happily, the Cards have taken the lead with Mr. Suppan out of the game.

2006-10-26 20:20:39
39.   wsporter
37 MFD, Yes they have droped the PI. Had they droped the R instead I think it would have been more appropriate. ;-}
2006-10-26 20:21:19
40.   Simone
Yep, Rush doesn't get the win if the Cardinals do end up winning. The Tigers are literally throwing the Series away.

36 Like I said on the other thread, Alex Rodriguez for Dontrelle and Miguel Cabrera is the only trade that makes sense for the Yankees.

2006-10-26 20:21:20
41.   randym77
Ugh. Defense wins championships...

37 Yes, it goes by Rensselaer. They paid some high-falutin' consultant $50,000 to help them shed their nerdy image. Said consultant suggested dropping RPI and going with Rensselaer instead.

I graduated back when the Mets were the WS champions. When dinosaurs ruled the earth...

2006-10-26 20:27:57
42.   Simone
Ugh. I can't believe that these are the same pitchers that shut the Yankees down. If the Tigers let the one of worse teams evah to play baseball win the World Series, then they will an embarassment to the AL. They should be moved to the NL on a permanent basis.
2006-10-26 20:28:26
43.   weeping for brunnhilde
See, that was a situation in which little ball would have been preferable.

Had they bunted with Edmonds, that basehit would have scored two.

They didn't need a big inning, just to nab the lead and get some insurance, if they were lucky.

Why not bunt with Edmonds?

2006-10-26 20:29:05
44.   weeping for brunnhilde
And especially since there's a strikeout pitcher on the mound, it just doesn't make sense to play for a big inning in that spot.

A bird in the hand...

2006-10-26 20:31:29
45.   Simone
Good job, Steroid Rodriguez. This is probably his first or second hit of the Series.
2006-10-26 20:35:38
46.   randym77
Pudge is unreal. He's a month shy of his 35th birthday, a catcher for 16 years, and he still runs like that.

He'd got Jorgie beat in the baserunning department, that's for sure.

2006-10-26 20:37:40
47.   weeping for brunnhilde
Pudge is a fine, fine player.

I'd like to build a team of guys who play like him.

2006-10-26 20:38:17
48.   Simone
Inge finally doing something right.
2006-10-26 20:43:59
49.   randym77
Kevin Long (the Clippers' hitting coach) is reportedly taking over Mattingly's old job.
2006-10-26 20:47:36
50.   weeping for brunnhilde
49 Do you know anything about what hitting coaches do?

I get the sense that their main job is to work on mechanics but what I think is more important is working on approach.

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2006-10-26 20:50:26
51.   randym77
51 Mattingly said something once about his main job being to keep his hitters' confidence up.
2006-10-26 20:56:03
52.   weeping for brunnhilde
51 That's fine, that's obviously part of coaching, but what about the fine art of pitch selection and working the count?

Do they study this?

2006-10-26 20:56:43
53.   weeping for brunnhilde
Eckstein's a serious player.

I'd have him on my team any day of the week.

2006-10-26 21:00:20
54.   weeping for brunnhilde
Can you imagine having Eckstein as a utility man?

He'd by the perfect bench player for us.

2006-10-26 21:01:13
55.   randym77
He coulda gotten that ball.

52 I have no clue. Obviously, they do a lot of scouting, and that must affect their approach. As we so often saw, on those nights when the scouting report said "Swing at the first pitch."

2006-10-26 21:02:13
56.   weeping for brunnhilde
55 Could have, but that was a tough play.
2006-10-26 21:04:32
57.   Simone
One things for sure, Eckstein is seriously a bad player.
2006-10-26 21:05:55
58.   Simone
Apparently, the Tigers have never heard of taking a pitch or two.
2006-10-26 21:06:54
59.   randym77
I doubt Eckstein would want to be a utility guy.

Well, the Tiggers have dug themselves a hole...

2006-10-26 21:08:01
60.   Simone
I take back my statement that the Tigers would "crush" the Cardinals. Feel free to say, "I told you."

Tigers, get thee to the NL and don't come back.

2006-10-26 21:08:40
61.   Shaun P
Wainright is nasty. I guess the Braves do trade a good pitching prospect once in a while after all.

54 I think Eckstein is a good player, but I hate how the media overhypes him. Yes, he's a little guy. Yes, he throws funny. Yes, its clear that hard work rather than talent has gotten him to where he is. But does every other story need to be about Eckstein? And that Holiday Inn award is a joke. The last thing Eckstein is is underappreciated or unknown.

Now, tonight being 4 for 4, he totally deserves the POTG. No overhyping there.

2006-10-26 21:09:09
62.   randym77
58 Definitely. That's their game:

"But the thing Tigers fans should panic about most is that Tigers hitters are swinging at pretty much everything they see. There was a flyover before Tuesday night's game. Detroit leadoff hitter Curtis Granderson swung at the planes."

2006-10-26 21:09:09
63.   weeping for brunnhilde
59 Maybe for the glory of playing with the Yanks?

Although it looks like he's about to win his second ring, so perhaps the old "Don't-you-want-to-win-the-world-series?" card won't quite resonate with him.

2006-10-26 21:10:54
64.   Simone
It is amazing that Eckstein is even a starter with a VORP of 9. something. He is putrid. His performance tonight shows that even the blind squirrel finds a nut on the rare occasion.
2006-10-26 21:12:15
65.   weeping for brunnhilde
61 I understand and I've seen a bit of the media hype and I get your point.

Still, from watching him play against us and from those other times I've seen him, he's really impressed me.

He had some ridiculous at-bat a little while ago, maybe against the Mets? Can't recall, but it was like 15 pitches and it was very impressive.

I think he ended up striking out.

I'm not saying he's Willie Mays, but I think he's a very, very solid player and solidity is sort of hard to come by these days--everyone wants to be a superstar.

2006-10-26 21:12:28
66.   Simone
62 Goes to show how atrocious the Yankees' pitchers performed against the Tigers.

Don't yell at any FOX executives, Girardi.

2006-10-26 21:28:09
67.   Cliff Corcoran
40 Why in the name of all rational thought would the Marlins make that trade? Even Rodriguez for Cabrera straight up is a bad trade for the Fish. Please try to ground your statements in reality.
2006-10-26 21:45:04
68.   Shaun P
67 I was thinking that, of all the Marlins' pitchers, I'd want Dontrelle the least, given the mileage on his arm and his funky mechanics.

There is also no way Loria would ever approve that deal. Getting the most expensive player in the game, even if the Yanks picked up some of the salary, would kill their argument for a new mostly-taxpayer-financed stadium.

65 "solidity is sort of hard to come by these days--everyone wants to be a superstar."

Recognizing your limits is a good thing, but shouldn't everyone in the big leagues try to be a superstar, ie, give their all and then some? And since when is being a superstar a bad thing?

2006-10-26 21:59:15
69.   weeping for brunnhilde
68 Being a superstar is a bad thing when you ground an outside pitch weakly to second base instead of going the other way.

Or when you strike out with the tying runner on second base in the eigth inning instead of putting the ball in play and allowing the chips to fall where they may.

Or when you think it's beneath you to even learn how to bunt, let alone be called upon to execute one.

The problem, I suppose, is that superstar is defined too narrowly as "home run hitter" and too few fans appreciate complete baseball players so most players apparently have less incentive to become complete players.

That's as it seems to me, anyway.

2006-10-27 03:58:28
70.   randym77
68 I don't see it happening, either. Dontrelle is their marquee name. Trading him would be like us trading Jeter. The fans would pitch a fit.
2006-10-27 05:25:43
71.   Simone
67 I never said that the Marlins would make that trade. In fact, I specifically said on the other thread that they would not.
2006-10-27 05:28:01
72.   rbj
Leyland dropped Polanco to the 7 hole? He must hate him and want him traded.
2006-10-27 05:29:41
73.   Simone
I do like that now the media is no longer rambling on about Leyland's always making the right moves.

I just saw that "Dancing with the Stars" has kicked the World Series' butt in the ratings. I love that FOX is suffering. Couldn't happen to a more deserving network.

2006-10-27 05:34:57
74.   Simone
I just read that Sheffield wants to appeal to George for the Yankees not to pick up his option. Sheffield says that the only right fielder who is better than him is Vlad. I said the same thing when George overpaid Sheffield a couple years ago instead of going after Vlad.

2006-10-27 06:44:46
75.   vockins
74 That article reads like something from The Onion.

"I went by his house."

I have an image of Sheff on his Mongoose Californian ( pedalling frantically to Steinbrenner's cul-de-sac. So goofy.

2006-10-27 07:16:23
76.   RIYank
61 That Holiday Inn award is embarrassing. "Unrecognized effort" "in the shadows". As Junior put it at firejoemorgan, "the guy who's running away with this thing has his own fucking cereal." And earlier firejoemorgan wondered whether "role players" means "white people" (look at the list of nominees -- how did Valentin sneak into this country club, anyway???).
2006-10-27 07:43:34
77.   Simone
75 Hee. I don't understand why Sheffield didn't call to make sure that George was home.
2006-10-27 12:06:03
78.   YankeeInMichigan
3 I have a hard time buying the notion that Mattingly is the destined heir for Torre. I would think that George's Plan A would be to Randolph from the Mets.
2006-10-27 12:29:20
79.   OldYanksFan
If anyone is an ESPN "Insider", maybe they could tell us some of the specifics in the article by Olney: "How Jeter could help A-Rod"
2006-10-27 12:51:38
80.   standuptriple
79 You and I both know it's not anything. In fact, once I realized "Insider" had nothing I didn't already know I became a much more satisfied ESPN browser.
2006-10-27 12:58:09
81.   wsporter
79 OYF, He really only says Jeter should speak out publicly to support A-Rod. He spends most of the space reciting why he thinks the three remaining legacy vets, Mo, Posada and the Cap, have thick skins and find it hard to relate to a vet who can't cope with the pressure that is endemic to NY. He compares Jeter to Ripken and his status in Balto etc.

It really is a case of a misleading headline creating false expectations as to content. You didn't miss much and there certainly isn't anything new in there.

2006-10-27 13:01:01
82.   YankeeInMichigan
It looks like Eric Duncan is once again turning it on in Arizona:
Perhaps the Yanks should trade him to the Diamondbacks.
2006-10-27 14:20:37
83.   randym77
I see they decided to eliminate the travel day. If the Tigers can stay alive, they'll play Saturday and Sunday (weather permitting).

Not that I expect it to get that far.

You know, even though I predicted the NL didn't have a chance, I don't mind the Cards winning. But does it have to be Jeff Weaver? :-P

2006-10-27 14:33:50
84.   Jim Dean
Great first-hand account of PED's - for a cycler, but still -

2006-10-27 15:23:01
85.   randym77
84 Wow. I had no clue that HGH could improve your eyesight. That must be pretty tempting for a baseball player.
2006-10-27 17:03:38
86.   Jim Dean
85 After reading that, and seeing Giambi take cortizone shot after cortizone shot, i have no doubt he was using HGH. The question is, for me, whether he still is, along with how many other players. Too bad we'll never know.

The bit about how quickly he felt recovered, after 200 miles no less, also struck me. A pitcher like Rogers, or Clemens even, could do wonders with EPO as they hit the seventh inning.

Damn...any bets until how long it takes for the HGH/EPO stories to hit the fan?

2006-10-27 17:26:56
87.   Simone
I couldn't believe that some of the "so-called experts" were actually arguing that Leyland start Kenny Rogers in this game. No way Rogers could pitch on the road in this tense atmosphere. Verlander is the Tigers best shot. He needs to pitch the game of his life. I'm looking forward to see how he does tonight.
2006-10-27 17:33:42
88.   Simone
This is baseball game. What is up with the freaky head painting? Is this typical midwest baseball?
2006-10-27 17:35:21
89.   Simone
Jeff Weaver = Strike out machine
2006-10-27 17:45:44
90.   Simone
Ha. I think that Pudge is ticked off at Verlander's wildness.
2006-10-27 17:47:21
91.   Simone
It was a ball. Verlander got away with one there.
2006-10-27 17:51:41
92.   Simone
Verlander has gone Rick Ankiel, folks.
2006-10-27 17:55:19
93.   Simone
Got out of it! Okay, settle down now. You need a shut out or close to it for the Tigers to win this game.
2006-10-27 18:03:48
94.   randym77
86 From that article:

"It was maddening to see skiers I knew to be playing fair, guys who trained their hearts out with little financial reward, lose to the cheaters."

Imagine what it must feel like to be a clean baseball player competing against cheaters for a spot on the roster. Assuming there is such a thing as clean player. The pressure to juice must be intense.

2006-10-27 18:06:28
95.   Peter
85 That's interesting since I've seen a lot of Bonds' supporters make the argument that you still need hand-eye coordination to hit home runs and steroids won't help with that.
2006-10-27 18:10:30
96.   randym77
Little Eckstein does it again...
2006-10-27 18:16:04
97.   randym77
95 According to the article, HGH improves eyesight because it strengthens the eye muscles.

The author of the article found the improvement so significant that he didn't need his glasses when he was on HGH.

2006-10-27 18:17:18
98.   Simone
It is hard to believe that this is the Tigers' team that beat the Yankees. I hope watching Brandon Inge play helps Yankee fans appreciate Alex Rodriguez's defense whatever the flaws.

95 There is no scientific research that states that HGH improves the eyesight. A lot of the alleged benefits of PEDs are nothing more than myths that doctors and athletes spread among themselves to justify their cheating.

2006-10-27 18:29:15
99.   randym77
98 There is almost no scientific research about HGH's effects on adults. It's supposed to be used for children with growth deficiencies, so its effects on children are what have been studied. Children generally have great eyesight, anyway; IIRC, your eyesight is sharpest in young childhood. So effects on vision might not be noticed in such a study population.

FWIW, the author of the article said he wouldn't touch steroids again unless it was medically necessary. He didn't like EPO, either, because it had unpleasant side effects for him. But he would use HGH if he could afford it, because it helped his vision so much.

2006-10-27 18:29:23
100.   Simone
98 I should have said that "there is no scientific research that supports the claim that HGH improves eyesight."
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2006-10-27 18:35:20
101.   Simone
99 None of these athletes should use these PEDs. However, the fact is that under the supervision of a knowledgable physician or trainer they can be very effective in improving endurance and recovery from injuries. There is no scientific research that supports that PEDs do any more than that when it comes to actually athletic performance which suggests that its greatest benefit to the athlete using them is psychological. If an athlete believes that his or her eyesight is better and the person feels are less tired because you are using anabolic steriods or some other PED, then it isn't difficult to convince their mind into making this real.
2006-10-27 18:36:04
102.   randym77
What the heck was that???
2006-10-27 18:36:48
103.   Simone
Finally, the Tigers have something going in their favor.
2006-10-27 18:47:19
104.   Simone
Wow, has there been one earned run in this game? The Tigers are giving the World Series away. The Marlins' young staff showed much more poise against the Yankees.
2006-10-27 18:49:04
105.   Simone
Guillen adding to the choas. I have always felt the importance of defense was overstated, but after this World Series, I may have to reconsider my opinion.
2006-10-27 18:49:09
106.   randym77
101 There's really no proof either way on HGH. It is not nearly as well-studied as steroids.

I think the vision thing could be real. That's how side effects are usually discovered: they're reported by the users.

I've never heard that steroids improve vision, BTW.

2006-10-27 18:49:11
107.   vockins
Good God, this is like a spring training game.
2006-10-27 18:52:19
108.   Simone
Leyland was getting all the credit for the Tigers' stellar play so this mess has got to be his fault.
2006-10-27 18:53:21
109.   randym77
I guess there are some drawbacks to rookie pitchers.
2006-10-27 18:59:46
110.   ny2
108. No it's still arod's fault which I think now means it's Jeter's fault.
2006-10-27 19:02:50
111.   Simone
110 Hee. Very good.
2006-10-27 19:04:44
112.   randym77
They ought to ban interviewing managers during games.
2006-10-27 19:10:08
113.   randym77
Jeff "GG" Weaver.
2006-10-27 19:15:14
114.   Simone
I am incredulous at the pitchers who stunk up the joint as Yankees and then go on to pitch well in the World Series. Weaver drove me crazy when he was a Yankee. Eh, I wish him well.
2006-10-27 19:17:37
115.   rabid stan
114 It's probably best he has his moment now before he starts serving his life sentence as Jered Weaver's brother.
2006-10-27 19:20:09
116.   Simone
115 Now that is the truth:) Jeff needs to savor his moment.
2006-10-27 19:21:25
117.   rabid stan
McCarver just ruined my comment about Verlander checking the slowest man in the series.
2006-10-27 19:22:41
118.   Simone
It could be that Weaver's experience as a Yankee prepared him for this big stage.
2006-10-27 19:26:22
119.   randym77
Good gravy. Weaver's a stud.
2006-10-27 19:28:05
120.   Simone
I think that Polanco might have been safe if he had booked from the start instead of being confident that it was a hit. He only hustled when he saw Pujols had the ball. Polanco hasn't gotten a hit? No wonder the Tigers are a disaster.
2006-10-27 19:29:06
121.   Simone
What is up with that music? The FOX production is just killing the World Series with this crappy stuff.
2006-10-27 19:36:03
122.   rabid stan
You've been Eck'd!

The Sultan of, Hustle, I guess.

2006-10-27 19:39:22
123.   rabid stan
If Eckstein wins the series MVP, what's the over/under on the number of times they mention his height and weight (5'7", 165) in the postgame?

Start at 3?

And looks like Pujols may finally see a pitch.

2006-10-27 19:50:16
124.   Simone
Game OVAH. Hit the road, Tigers.
2006-10-27 19:50:41
125.   randym77
And little Eckstein scores. Things aren't looking good for the Tiggers.
2006-10-27 19:54:10
126.   Simone
This has truly shaped up to be one of the worse World Series that I have ever watched. All those people dreading the Subway Series are in their beds anyway. On the positive side, the ratings sucked for FOX and ESPN had no stories to promote so they got hurt also. Totally works for me.
2006-10-27 19:57:37
127.   Simone
123 If David Eckstein wins the World Series MVP, I'm embarassed for baseball.
2006-10-27 19:57:38
128.   weeping for brunnhilde
120 My wife said the same thing. I unfortunately didn't see him get out of the box.
2006-10-27 19:58:33
129.   3rd gen yankee fan
126 I completely agree. Play has been sloppy, boring, ugly, and I don't know if I can still root for the Tigers or if I'd really rather this be over, mercifully, as quickly as possible.
2006-10-27 19:58:59
130.   rabid stan
Damn it. Is Jeff Weaver really any better than Jaret Wright? I wish Tigers had dropped a big, fat load against our staff stiff.
2006-10-27 20:00:08
131.   rabid stan
Wea-ver! Wea-ver! Wea-ver!


2006-10-27 20:00:37
132.   weeping for brunnhilde
122 The sultan of "Just-put-the-ball-in-play,-bust-ass,-and-anything-can-happen."

My kind of player.

2006-10-27 20:02:28
133.   Simone
129 I'm pretty sure that you are getting your wish that this series will be over tonight. It reminds me of when the Red Sox swept the Cardinals. I just wanted that debacle over, but at least the Red Sox were a good team. This World Series is just two mediocre team boring people into changing the channel or going to bed.
2006-10-27 20:06:18
134.   Simone
Aww, poor Marcus Thames. I was hope that he would get his share to buy his mother the house that he mentioned in that NY Times article.
2006-10-27 20:07:26
135.   randym77
Jon Heyman of SI has dubbed it the "Worst Series."
2006-10-27 20:08:00
136.   weeping for brunnhilde
Speaking of Marcus Thames, does anyone remember how we lost Juan Rivera?
2006-10-27 20:09:57
137.   rabid stan
136 Juan Rivera isn't lost. He's in LA.
2006-10-27 20:11:08
138.   rabid stan
137 Well, Orange County, I guess.
2006-10-27 20:12:07
139.   Simone
135 Heyman got that right.
2006-10-27 20:12:17
140.   weeping for brunnhilde
Right, but what were the circumstances of his release from NY?
2006-10-27 20:13:10
141.   randym77
Did you see WasWatching today?

"In a way, one could say that Randy Johnson cost the Yankees Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera, Randy Choate, Brad Halsey, Dioner Navarro and $41 million.

Here's the question: Based on what Randy Johnson has done for the Yankees in the last two years, and what we can expect from Johnson in 2007, was it worth it?"

That would be a "no," at least from my POV. :-P

2006-10-27 20:18:17
142.   Simone
Now a Tiger hitter takes more than one pitch.
2006-10-27 20:20:23
143.   rabid stan
Polanco has a big bubble-head.
2006-10-27 20:20:36
144.   Simone
Cano = Polanco. They both got no hits.
2006-10-27 20:24:18
145.   randym77
Shoulda left Weaver in.
2006-10-27 20:24:33
146.   Simone
How do you walk Polanco?
2006-10-27 20:25:55
147.   rabid stan
Congrats to the Cards and their fans.

It's wasn't pretty, but it was a nice way to break in the new stadium.

2006-10-27 20:25:57
148.   Simone
The baseball gods are kind! This hellish World Series is ovah. What a stinker. At least, we won't be hearing any crap about dynasties or either team being the favorites to make the Worl Series next season.
2006-10-27 20:27:16
149.   Simone
The Tigers need to be sent to the NL permanently.
2006-10-27 20:28:32
150.   Simone
Congrats to Jeff Weaver and the Cardinal fans.
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2006-10-27 20:30:58
151.   weeping for brunnhilde
You know? Watching Edmonds up there yakking away it occurs to me: It should have been us!

I thought I was over our loss but now watching them celebrate, I realize I'm just a tad bit bitter.

Not very magnanimous I admit, but that's how I feel.

2006-10-27 20:35:50
152.   randym77
Congrats, Cards. I'm glad they won. I didn't really care who won when this started, but since that pine tar incident, I've become a (temporary) Cards fan.

And I guess it is nice that they won in front of the home crowd.

I feel sorry for the Detroit fans, though. Not much good news coming out of Michigan lately, except the Tigers.

2006-10-27 20:37:04
153.   rabid stan
Eloquence, thy name is Bud Selig.
2006-10-27 20:39:52
154.   vockins
Hopefully my football fan friends will shut the hell up about parity now.
2006-10-27 20:41:11
155.   randym77
And yup, little David Eckstein is the MVP.
2006-10-27 20:43:02
156.   randym77
David Eckstein makes $3 million a year and he's never bought a new car?
2006-10-27 20:46:54
157.   vockins
My favorite part of the post win celebration was the interview with Jim Edmonds in which he admitted the Cards suck.
2006-10-27 20:55:18
158.   Knuckles
Damned if Joe Girardi doesn't have 'the good face' to be the next Yankees manager. He looks like he just walked off the Grand Concourse, circa 1963...
2006-10-27 21:39:10
159.   jkay
141 don't forget Javy Vasquez.
2006-10-27 21:48:34
160.   C2Coke
I just came back now, and checked the results. I didn't think this was possible. A mediocre team throughout the season gets it all in the end (Even themselves were better last year). Nevertheless, congrats to Cards and Co., obviously they pulled through at the right time.
2006-10-27 23:07:56
161.   weeping for brunnhilde
141 No.

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