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It Comes Down to This...
2006-10-18 05:37
by Alex Belth
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2006-10-18 06:03:53
1.   mehmattski
More like: I want to believe.

I want to believe. But I won't, because I think a Tigers-Cardinals Serious would be more interesting. Go Cardinals.

2006-10-18 06:40:47
2.   Simone
For my best friend's sake, I'm hoping the Mets make it to the World Series.
2006-10-18 06:41:20
3.   Sliced Bread
You Gotta Believe: the Mets stink if they can't beat the Cardinals in 7.

You Gotta Believe: I'd rather suffer poison ivy in my lungs than watch Weaver & Rogers win another playoff game.

2006-10-18 06:45:48
4.   Elliot
On behalf of Met fans, thanks for the support. I don't know what to think or expect anymore out of this series. I can't watch ESPN or read most of my baseball sites because I can't deal with all the punditry and overanalysis anymore. For the last 12 months I've looked at every stat, every matchup, every possibility; I've pretty much thought every thought there is to think about this team. There's nothing that anyone can say or write to enhance my enjoyment of baseball right now. All I want to do now is watch the rest of October through the gaps between my fingers while I cover my eyes.

Is this normal October behavior?

2006-10-18 06:46:25
5.   rbj
How the heck is Jeff Weaver winning postseason games? He got released by the freaking Angels this year. It must be that the NL is that much weaker. Yeah, that's it. Gotta be.
2006-10-18 06:50:15
6.   Shaun P
I'd much rather discuss the Mets' chances than A-Rod - AGAIN. Just my $0.02.

Speaking of the Mets, I wouldn't write them off yet, as Carpenter pitches worse on the road than at home. Shea is a pitcher's park though . . .

2006-10-18 06:50:55
7.   Shaun P
5 Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
2006-10-18 06:57:15
8.   Sliced Bread
Carpenter pitches muuch worse on the road, and better against righties, which suggests the lefty Mets should be able to handle him.

Maine is the wild card. Can he throw strikes? Can he get ahead on the Cards hitters? Can he keep the ball out of Albert's wheel house?

I think the Mets will win tonight, probably in a slugfest -- which is exactly what I thought the Yanks would do against Rogers. grrrrr.

2006-10-18 07:05:05
9.   yogifan
With a cards/tigers WS on the horizon, selig better start negotiating with the Outdoor Life Network for mlb's next tv contract. Come to think of it,moose mating rituals might be an appropriate lead in to playoffs announced by Buck and McCarver.
2006-10-18 07:11:17
10.   Simone
5 Just about every washed up AL pitcher turns into Cy Young in the NL.
2006-10-18 07:15:29
11.   Yankee Fan In Boston

now that you mention a-rod...
how about the latest trade rumors? should he be moved? what is his deal? do you think he plays tetris? i wonder if he likes coffee... did you know that he has yet to produce a single run from the left side of the plate since joining the yankees?

(sorry. i couldn't resist.)

2006-10-18 07:19:01
12.   jkay
After tonight, it will be "You Gotta Bereave".
2006-10-18 07:20:39
13.   Ravenscar
I feel very good about 2 home games.

However, I'm finally getting a little nervous.

I'm considering a "game 6 is inconsequential if we lose, so I will only watch a game 7" strategy for my sanity.

2006-10-18 07:32:19
14.   unpopster
ok, since this IS a yankee forum, let me throw in the Yankee twist on this:

If the Mets lose to the Cards, which NY team has delivered the most dissapointing performance of the 2006 postseason? Or, in other words, which team choked more?

I submit that the Mets have since, much like 2002, the Yanks cam out on the short end against the eventual World Champions, where as the Mets clearly should beat the Cards.

Also, if it's a Detroit-St. Louis World Series, I think we're about the witness the third straight WS sweep.

2006-10-18 07:32:19
15.   Count Zero
Normally, once the Yanks are out, I couldn't care less who wins -- I watch only because of my interest in the game. But the Mets fans in my office were so obnoxious after Game 1 of the NLCS (taping photos to my office door, etc.) that I immediately resolved to root for whoever is playing against them for the duration. Mind you, I have never razzed them in the least -- they've generally been too pathetic to engender my hatred over the past decade. Even in 2000, I just kind of felt sorry for them. ^_^

Even if they get past the Cards, I hope Detroit sweeps them into oblivion.

2006-10-18 07:49:47
16.   jonnystrongleg
14 Yanks "choked" way harder than the Mets - even if the Mets don't win another game.

On the Mets side:
1) The Mets swept a series.
2) The Mets are playing competitive games.
3) The Mets lost Pedro Martinez and El Duque just before the postseason.

PS - I don't think the Yanks "choked."

On the Yanks side:
1) The Tigers won 95 games and the Cards won 83.

2006-10-18 07:54:47
17.   RIYank
4 Around here, 'normal October behavior' means covering your ears. At least for the past few years; at least late October.

14 I think the Tigers are a lot better than the Cards or Mets, but a sweep is always a long shot, always. I'll say 4-2 Tiggers over Whoever.

I have no animosity toward the Mets or their fans, probably because I don't live in New York so I don't encounter the fans. And I do have fond memories of 1969 (very youthful memories, I hasten to add!). So LET'S GO METS!

2006-10-18 08:39:56
18.   Shaun P
14 I'm inclined to say the Mets' choke is much bigger. By pythag records, the Yanks (95-67) and the Tigers (95-67) were practically equals. The Cards (82-79) and the Mets (91-71), not so much.

If one looks at 3rd order Pythagenport records, the Yanks (97-65) were better than the Tigers (92-70) . . . but the Mets (89-73) were still significantly better than the Cards (76-85!).

FYI, BP has the Mets' chances of winning 2 in a row at 43.16, and the Cards' chances of winning 1 of the next 2 at 56.84.

2006-10-18 08:39:56
19.   pistolpete
17 >>LET'S GO METS! >>

Let's not and say we did.

2006-10-18 08:48:23
20.   jonnystrongleg
18 How about the fact that the Mets have won 5 postseason games so far while the Yanks could only manage 1 win?

The question was which team had a more dissapointing perfromance. The Yanks, by far. It's not close.

2006-10-18 08:49:10
21.   standuptriple
19 Yes, why would we want to anger George like that? You know what happens when George gets mad, right?
2006-10-18 08:52:40
22.   standuptriple
20 Uh, maybe the AL is just better than the NL. I stated before and I still stand by the comment that I would take ANY of the AL playoff contenders over ANY of the NL's in the Series.
So the only way this can really be solved is if the Mats win the next two games and then get swept by the Tigers. Would that satisfy everyone?
2006-10-18 08:55:25
23.   pistolpete
20 Wait and see what happens in the Series. If the Tigers sweep, you really can't call what the Yankees did a 'choke'.
2006-10-18 09:03:26
24.   jonnystrongleg
22 & 23
The question in 14 wasn't "who is better?" The question was:

"If the Mets lose to the Cards, which NY team has delivered the most dissapointing performance of the 2006 postseason? Or, in other words, which team choked more?"

I'm surprised you think losing in a competitive NLCS is more disappointing than getting throttled in the ALDS. I'd much rather see my team win a series and play well rather than getting mushed.

And though I said it in 16, I'll reiterate. I don't think the Yanks choked. I don't think the Mets losing here would be a choke either.

2006-10-18 09:14:25
25.   pistolpete
24 Disappointing, yes, but in what context?

The Mets haven't won a World Series in 20 years, we're just coming off 6.

2006-10-18 09:23:37
26.   Stormer Sports

I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass but you said: "If the Mets lose to the Cards, which NY team has delivered the most dissapointing performance of the 2006 postseason? Or, in other words, which team choked more?"

And then: "And though I said it in 16, I'll reiterate. I don't think the Yanks choked. I don't think the Mets losing here would be a choke either.

So, Mr. Amazin', which one is it?

I am all for a discussion about the Mets, but don't insult the Yankees here on this blog, or we will come out swinging, rightly and deservingly.

2006-10-18 09:28:13
27.   Stormer Sports
Skip Bayliss just said that El Duque will pitch game 7, and had to be corrected about the roster.

How does a reactionary, underinformed, mal-researched putz like that fool have a job?

It's not who you are in America, but who you know, I suppose.

Next he'll say that the Yankees made a mistake by not starting Carl Pavano in game 4!

2006-10-18 09:31:11
28.   Stormer Sports
I wonder what else he says, that doesn't make it to air.
2006-10-18 09:33:24
29.   unpopster
26 that first quote was mine from 14, not jonnystrongleg's from 24
2006-10-18 09:38:17
30.   pistolpete
27 Just goes to show you that all these sports analysts on TV want to be profound and have the 'big reveal' that will have all the viewers going, "Ooohhhhhh, did you hear what he said?"

Then of course he'd look like a genius and the 'prognosticator of all prognosticators' if El Duque limped out there and won game 7 to take the Mets to the Series.

Of course, him not even being on the roster is just delicious for those of us who already think Bayless is a total ass.

2006-10-18 09:39:45
31.   Simone
19 Good idea.
2006-10-18 09:55:19
32.   3rd gen yankee fan
4 "Is this normal October behavior?"

Not for Yankee fans. That said, GO METSIES!!!

2006-10-18 10:24:10
33.   Xeifrank
Weaver sucked in the NL too (Dodgers).
vr, Xei
2006-10-18 10:52:05
34.   Yankee Fan In Boston
way off topic here, but i recall a discussion last week or so about radar guns during these playoff series being "off."
(in the interest of full disclosure, i was in that camp, too.)

evidently new technology is being utilized to determine pitch speeds, both as the pitch leaves the pitcher's hand and as it crosses the plate.

"One thing all fans should know is that the speed represented by this pitch tracking system has no reliance on radar guns. They are likely to gradually become a thing of the past in baseball. Remember when Tigers reliever Joel Zumaya was hitting 103 mph during that pivotal Game 2 of the American League Division Series at Yankee Stadium? Many people in the media were qualifying it as the possible result of a "slow gun," the term itself a dying relic of baseball conversation.

Zumaya's final three strikes thrown to Alex Rodriguez in the eighth inning of that game, according to the Enhanced Gameday showing speed at release and then speed crossing home plate, were as follows:


How did we know that? How did we know the speeds of Glavine's momentous pitch to Pujols here on Tuesday night? It's not about radar guns. It's about video at 30 frames per second, triangulation involving three ballpark cameras, and software on three computers in the corner of a TV truck outside the stadium's loading docks."

they're also tracking the distance the ball breaks, as you can see with's enhanced gameday stuff.

pretty amazing when you think about it.

the article is at (i am not knowledgeable in the ways of linking. sorry.)

2006-10-18 10:52:22
35.   Sliced Bread
Maybe it's the sudden return of warm weather, or the possible last gasp for New York baseball this year, but I'm jazzed about the game tonight.

I've been half-heartedly watching this series, half-assedly rooting for the Mets, still feeling too sorry for my Yankees-lovin' soul to really care.

But a lunchtime walk around Times Square today, and the warm buzz of baseball in the air has made me see the light in Queens.

Here's what's on at Shea tonight:

Rookie Met versus Cy Cardinal.

Willie versus LaRussa.

The joyful Wright v. the joyless Rolen.

Delgado v. Pujols.

At almost every position, I prefer the Met to the Cardinal - by a lot.

The good-for-nuthin' Redboids have been dead to me since you-know-when, when they failed to stop, or even slow down you-know-who.

No, I'm not jumpin' on any blue and orange bandwagon, just hollerin' at it as it rolls by:

Let's go Willie! Let's go Mets! Beat these useless stiffs, would ya?!

2006-10-18 11:06:00
36.   Wait Til Next Year
Mets' position right now reminds me of Yanks falling behind 3-2 to Florida and then getting their butts whooped by Josh Beckett at Yankee Stadium. I knew the Yanks were done before the first pitch of game 6 was thrown, just like I know that the Mets are finished.

More interesting prediction: what happens next year to both Yanks and Mets? I say Yanks win another division title with the same kind of deficient pitching (RJ, Wang, Hughes, and who knows what else), while the Mets crash and burn because they really don't have any starting pitching and everyone has finally learned how to pitch to their offense.

2006-10-18 11:12:54
37.   jonnystrongleg
26 I didn't ask or phrase the question, 14 did. As a Mets tolerant and a huge Yankees fan, I am of the opinion that the Yanks' performance this October was more disappointing than the Mets would be if they lose the series to the Cardinals.

It's not insulting the Yanks to say they got mushed, which they did. It would be insulting to say they choked, which I think they didn't.

25 I took "disappointing" to mean in relation to the expectations we had of the teams due their status as "best team in the league with home field advantage" entering the playoffs. From that platform, despite injuries, albeit against weaker comp, the Mets have produced a better performance, ie more wins and better play, than the Yankees did.

Each fan base had a lot of reasons to expect a World Championship. I think the team that gets closer gives a less disappointing performance.

2006-10-18 11:14:31
38.   jonnystrongleg
36 The Mets could improve their rotation in the off season and I don't see anyone figuring out how to pitch to Reyes, Beltran, Delgado and Wright. They have to get pitching, but I like their chances to repeat.
2006-10-18 11:22:32
39.   Sliced Bread
36 I don't see the Mets crashing or burning. I see Omar shelling out stoopit money for Zito and/or Schmidt. I see them bringing up Pelfrey, and maybe trading Lastings Milledge for another starter. Mets will contend in the NL East next year no matter what happens tonight/tomorrow.
2006-10-18 11:30:39
40.   JL25and3
I don't think the Pythagorean formulas matter much here, because of the injuries to the Mets pitching staff. If they were losing with their A-team it would be one thing, but it's hard to be too disappointed when Oliver Perez is suddenly one of your starting pitchers.

I hope the Mets win, though. I don't particularly want to root for the Tigers, but I definitely won't root for the Cards.

2006-10-18 11:37:27
41.   Sliced Bread
I agree with 37.

I wasn't surprised that the Tigers beat the Yanks, (we knew they had superior pitching going into the series) but in light of how the Yanks dominated the Tigers during the season, and how strong the Yanks lineup looked going into October, the ALDS defeat was crushing, especially Game 2 and 3 losses.

The Mets have gone further than I thought they'd get without Pedro and Duque.

2006-10-18 11:39:13
42.   vockins
I'm cool with any of them winning for some goofy reason.

Although Scott Spezio's dyed facial hair is one of the dumbest things I have seen in a long time, and Kenny Rogers is a dillbag, so lets go Mets, I guess.

2006-10-18 11:49:49
43.   Alvaro Espinoza
40 That was my thought as well. The Mets are trotting Glavine-Maine-Trachsel and Perez out there. I don't care what your offense does, it's tough to win w/ those 4.
Duaner Sanchez was a huge loss to the Mets in addition to Pedro and El Duque. Add a cold Reyes and Wright to the mix and you've got... SNAKES ON A PLANE!!!

But the question posed smacks of the big difference btwn Mets fans and Yankees fans. Both sides have their fair share of morons and antagonizers but only one fan base actually measures its team in relation to the other.

2006-10-18 12:03:03
44.   jonnystrongleg
43 Pretty sure 14 is a Yankees fan and not a moron or an antagonizer. Sounded like he was just trying to get a ball rolling...

The linking of "disappointing" and "choking" in his post was not the best choice, but it was probably in haste and not meant to be taken as the crucial phrase of his query.

Either way, losing when you are rooting for the best team in the league is mightily disappointing.

2006-10-18 12:26:52
45.   jonnystrongleg
43 Also, I realize you weren't calling the people asking & responding to the question morons or antagonizers. Sorry if it came out that way.
2006-10-18 12:29:00
46.   unpopster
43 hey Alvaro, you may not have liked the question I posed in 14 but it's a valid one...and one that will be asked over and over again by the NY media if the Mets fall to the Cards.

I've always felt that if you're going to lose in the postseason, lose to the best team out there. Like 2002 and 2004, the Yanks lost to what is now looking like the cream of the postseason crop.

Look at it this way, come this offseason, the Yanks (and the fans) can atleast say that we lost to the best. If the Mets lose, then it'll be a postseason filled with "what ifs" and "what could have beens"...therefore, I'll argue that the Mets loss to St. Louis would be more of a ch -- er, dissapointment.

2006-10-18 12:29:08
47.   Alvaro Espinoza
44 Clarification: I wasn't calling 14 a moron or antagonizer, just making a general observation about the respective fan bases.

As for the more disappointing postseason loss, I'd have to go w/ the Yanks. It's tough to really say though since I have no emotion invested in the Mets. I know injuries are a part of the game but when you lose 2 of your top 3 starters plus your top bridge guy to the closer how could it not be a factor? The Yanks don't have any excuse for their lousy playoff performance.

2006-10-18 12:32:57
48.   jonnystrongleg
47 Beat you to it. See 45.
2006-10-18 12:52:43
49.   Sliced Bread
46 I agree you raised a valid question in 14 but if the Mets fall to the Cards, the NY media will be too busy setting off a winter-long avalanche of A-Rod agita that will bury the city, including the team from Queens.

The baseball back-pages will be all A-Rod rumors, analysis, and speculation all-the-time this winter -- including the day the Mets sign Zito.

Forget rings. Got shovels?

2006-10-18 12:55:32
50.   Alvaro Espinoza
48 You swine! :D

46 I just don't see any utility in the question and therefore wouldn't expend much energy in consideration of it. I'm emotionally invested in the Yankees, not the Mets. Therefore, I don't have any interest in comparing who had the "worse" loss. What I do know is that the Yanks 2006 postseason performance was very disappointing. I couldn't care less how it rated in comparison to the Mets (who haven't lost yet so let's not write them off). And if the Mets do lose, I would find no solace in the general consensus that it was "worse" than the Yanks.

If you think there's a meaningful benefit to posing the question, I'm open to persuasion but I just don't see it.

Gotta get back to work...

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2006-10-18 13:03:25
51.   Sliced Bread
50 If the Mets fall to the Cards it's a valid, and inevitable question:

what happened to the '06 Subway Series which was widely predicted?
how did the two teams who shared the best record in baseball fail to get to the Series?
which fell harder?

You don't have to be emotionally invested in the Mets to respond.

2006-10-18 13:29:08
52.   JL25and3
49 Well, of course. In fact, if the Mets lose it will be because ARod just isn't clutch.
2006-10-18 13:50:05
53.   Count Zero
52 It's the Curse of 3B in NYC! David Wright is now batting a woeful .118 in the NLCS and is clearly the sole person to blame if the Muts lose. He should be traded immediately for Joe Crede and a single A catching prospect. ;-)
2006-10-18 14:01:42
54.   wsporter
Way off Topic but speakinging of curses a photo blow up from WS Game 6 in 86 shows Billy Bucks wearing a Cubs Batting Glove. Now that is really scary and I guess it finally explains everything. Billy Bucks really tempted fate in '86. I guess it was just pure luck that he didn't get hit by a bus while in the On-deck Circle. If it's old news I apologize but it's new to me.

Lets Go Mets! Unless they're playing our boys I'm willing to root for em especially while Willy's running the show.

2006-10-18 14:20:43
55.   randym77
17 Except the AL swept the NL the past two years. Leading me to suspect there is a very real talent gap between the two leagues.

Is there a game tonight? With the rainout and all, I've lost track. Did they cancel the travel day?

I'm inclined to agree with Celizic about the choke issue: Mets choked harder.

As big a shock as the Yankees' meek withdrawal from the competition was, the Mets' impending doom would be even bigger.

...As great as the Yankees' lineup was this year, the Mets were the team that we all said couldn't possibly lose before they got to the World Series. It wasn't that the Mets are a better team; they're not. But the Yankees were in the American League, where the competition is made of sterner stuff. The Mets were virtually an American League team playing without the designated hitter against a very ordinary cast of contenders.

2006-10-18 15:04:29
56.   Bama Yankee
54 Thanks wsporter for the link. That's unreal. Someone will probably produce a photo that shows A-Rod wearing a Bill Buckner model glove this past season...
2006-10-18 15:05:37
57.   Shaun P
55 That would be one of the few times I've EVER agreed with Hat Guy.

54 MFD, I saw that too. I don't believe in curses but wow, IMO Buckner was clearly trying to say something by wearing that particular glove. Oops.

Wonder if McNamara would have sat Buckner if he'd known about the glove?

2006-10-18 15:21:04
58.   RIYank
Have youse seen the NYT op-ed "Birds of Pray"?

Excellent article. Here's a sample:


The frustrating beauty of baseball is that you can never trust what you're watching. Any hitter can have a 4-for-4 day if everything breaks right; you have to build a team that ignores the daily randomness and simply compiles the raw numbers that lead to bulk wins over the course of the season. General manager Billy Beane of the Oakland A's, innovator of the famously subversive "moneyball" method of building a roster, lamented that his approach "doesn't work in the playoffs." He was right, but not in the way most people understood him. It's not that his approach in particular didn't work; it's that nobody's does. It's almost entirely luck.

2006-10-18 16:36:55
59.   tocho
58 that's a great article.

I think its logic may apply to all leagues taht are decided by playoffs. In most football (soccer) leagues, the team that has the most points is the winner and that is what's fair, but it takes away the excitment of the semi-finals or finals (no playoff atmosphere).

with playoffs and direct elimination games (like the NFL, champions league, world cup, etc), luck has a big part and some may view that as unfair or not the ideal outcome, but very exciting and money-raising games.

2006-10-18 17:15:22
60.   RIYank
59 Good point. And of course, in days of yore baseball was almost like that; the pennant was the main goal and was just a matter of the standings. The Series was then almost an afterthought. (This is what my dad says -- anybody know first hand?)
2006-10-18 17:30:15
61.   randym77
I don't care who wins. I just want it to go 7. More baseball! More baseball!
2006-10-18 18:07:32
62.   Simone
Maine is living on the edge.
2006-10-18 18:37:33
63.   Alex Belth
I say the Mets win tonight and then win again tomorrow. Cliff is at Shea tonight. If we're lucky, we'll get a recap from him in the a.m.
2006-10-18 19:04:08
64.   Yu-Hsing Chen
I say the Mets win this game and goes into the 8th tomorrow with a 3-0 lead .. and then a fan interference cost them a out... then the next pitch was hit for a grand slam... oh wait.
2006-10-18 19:23:39
65.   Aviezer
I say let's talk about the Yankees. For example do you think that the yankees should sign a free agent to go along with signing Matsuzaka and resigning Moose? Would that end up overcrowding th rotation with T Clip and Hughes slated to come up sometime this year. I think Wang, Matz, Moose, Unit, Rasner is more than enaugh to start the season. When a pitcher gets injured say Unit, Rasner would move up to his spot. If it is before the break either Steven White would come up from Scranton/ WB or Karstens would be shifted in from the long relief spot. After the break I would bring up Hughes to take the fifth spot and pitch T Clip out of the pen as he doesn't need to build up any more arm strength. Kind of like what the Twins did with Liriano at the beggining of this year.
2006-10-18 19:42:08
66.   pistolpete
4-0, looks like we're going to game 7.
2006-10-18 20:02:07
67.   Aviezer
I'm bored with the Mets game. Lets talk bullpen. I would like to bring in a lefty but of the availible leftys the best are Jamie Walker and Ron Villone. Coming off of a WS victory with the Tigers (yes I am predicting that Jhon Donavan backs me up) I find it hard to believe he won't resign. The other option is Villone, unfortunately Torre has already blown out his arm and his career # are not good. The pitcher I really want is Justin Spier who has been a shutdown setup man for the Blue Jays the last few years. If we can get him for less than 5M a year on a 1 or 2 year deal we should do it. Spier is proven in the AL East and his addition would give us 4 very good relevers for the 7th and 8th innings alternating days. This would allow Proctor to decrease his workload and pitch only every other day which is his stated aim. He is also fantastic on one or more days rest.( this is not just observation I saw the stats once but i don't remember it ). Myers would be the LOOGY and Karstens would take over in long relief. The only hole in this pen is the lack of lefties nut as I noted that cannot be easily solved. We do have one lefty, Sean Henn, in the minors and he is doing well in the AFL but he is not a cant miss prospect. In fact you may even remember him from 05 when he was less than dominant. I would not count on him coming up untill rosters expand. In the case of an injury such as the one suffered by Aaron Small in ST last year TJ Beam would propably make the team and could very well be this years Scott Proctor. He dominated the minors to the tune of a 2.64 ERA but struggled in the Majors. This could be in part to the big gap between AA where he started the year and the majors and I believe Beam is ready for a big year. Also in line is JB Cox who profiles as a elite set up man and Jose Veras who we saw at the end of this year. All in all the Yanks pen should be good next year. If only Joe would start listening to his pitching and bullpen coaches a little more.
2006-10-18 20:09:53
68.   randym77
Cards are putting up a fight.
2006-10-18 20:17:41
69.   weeping for brunnhilde
I think someone said this the other night, but watching Wagner, one of the game's elite closers, drives home just how ungodly Mo is.

Wagner sure does make it interesting.

2006-10-18 20:17:52
70.   Simone
Alive, the Mets are still alive though Billy Wagner tried to do them in tonight.
2006-10-18 20:20:28
71.   vockins
Wagner almost pushed ARod from the headlines for good with that appearance. I could hear the Mets fans throwing junk at the TV through my wall.
2006-10-18 20:38:06
72.   weeping for brunnhilde
I know. I'm a casual Mets fan and I enjoy watching them and I'm pulling for them, especially for Willie's sake.

I would have been disappointed and a little sad had Wagner blown it, but watching that ninth inning wasn't agonizing the way it would have been if I were a real Mets fan.

I felt for the Mets fans, though, having to go through that.

2006-10-18 20:57:58
73.   Stormer Sports

Good game all around! Willie looks like the manager with the golden touch. The Anti-Torre. He went with his guys, went with the best pitcher not handedness, was willing to throw pitchers on 3 days rest (God forbid Joe Torre would ever in a million fucking years do that! Give Joe Kevin Brown and Jaret Wright and he's ready to fill out the lineup card). Piniella would have had Wang out there fo' sure. That doesn't mean anything would have been different, but we would have had our best guy out there if the ship had to go down, not 1500 miles away grinding chum on the dock.

The Mets do a good job in Shea, good music, loud music, semi-loud fans, and a great vibe in that dugout.

Go Willie, Go Mets! At least we can get a Championship in New York.

My prediction: The Mets clobber the hell out of Suppan tomorrow, outright clobber him.

2006-10-18 21:01:39
74.   Stormer Sports
Oh, and was Bowa right about Scott Rolen the "tumor" or what? He said he would never be a winner, never be a team player, never care about team over self. He was right on about that guy, right on the button. Not talking to your boss, grow the fuck up Scott!
2006-10-18 21:35:06
75.   yankz
As polished as Matsuzaka is, Valentine said, "he lost a little this year."

"It was probably because of the W.B.C.," he said. "He did have a few small injuries for the first time in his life."

Mikeplugh, care to comment?

2006-10-18 23:15:31
76.   Zack
I like how Reyes has one good game out of 8, and all of a sudden he is back to being "the spark," suddenly a great postseason performer. The media is so willing to annoint certain players and not others. Wright too, even though he has stunk, he is still just "waiting to break out" and "always dangerous" etc.

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