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Jay Jaffe and I will be at the Stadium tonight hoping to see Chien-Ming Wangarulo pick up his 19th victory of the season.
Let's Go Yan-Kees!
Johnny Damon CF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Jason Giambi DH
Gary Sheffield 1B
Hideki Matsui LF
Jorge Posada C
Robinson Cano 2B
Chien-Ming Wang RHP
That allow might be reason to not see it happen.
Wow, Jay's going to the game tonight and he still had time for an almost 3-hour chat on Prospectus. Nice life! Hope you and he enjoy the game, Alex.
Can some post a lineup from ANY TEAM IN HISTORY, that is better then this one?
Yanks to put Wang on mound for playoffs Game 1
I like lineup.
It make me feel good.
Some adversity really made me learn to appreciate the Yankees more and not to take them for granted.
The question comes down to "who on the Yankees starting pitching staffs pitch better than the off-Wang"?
How many starts has he had since coming off the DL?
Melky is replacing Damon in CF next inning.
At least RJ is capable (once in a great while) of six or even seven innings of no-hit goodness, even if he then proceeds to fall off a cliff once he loses his stuff. Moose's lows have not been as catastrophic as RJ's, but he's been dreary and mediocre...now, even when Moose pitches out of jams, it feels like it's just delaying the inevitable big inning.
Melky, I am sorry that you have to start make nice with the bench now.
Has anyone thought which veterans Torre will have be the pitching coach and manager for the final game of the season?
I so want Boston to finish in 3rd. I can taste it now. I predicted it to a Sawx fan I know at the beginning of the season, and even when the Sawx were going good I never backed down from it. This would be sweet.
89 I hope the Sawx finish 3rd. Too bad there aren't enough games left so they could finish last.
Man, what a collapse. If Houston wins and St L loses that'll be 8 games lost in the standings by the Cards in as many played.
Couldn't happen to a more overrated manager Mr. LaRussa. (Still pissed at him for playing Womack at dp depth with Papi up in game 1 of the 2004 series. 10 feet back and Papi hits into a dp easy, the Cards probably win game 1. Instead Papi nearly kills Womack and the rest is history.)
A good day all around.
I. Rodriguez, C
Then he reverts to throwing batting practice tonight. Too good.
95 This house is also rooting for the Astros. bf is a Cards-hater. Great game today.
Yep, it's better
I like Rocco Baldelli tonight, good man.
They gave up the farm for this cocky, hotshot shithead....
I love that the Marlins trifecta of Burnett, Beckett and our boy Pavano are all rubbish in the AL East
You are right, I thought that last year when it appeared he had more pop in his bat than early this year....but he is turning on the power and is just killing it...
This guy is unreal and every Yankee fan should be happy the D-Backs did not ask for him the Randy Johnson deal
Umm... when was the last time Mariano Rivera pitched in the seventh inning of a regular season game? 1996?
Try September 25, 2006.
Heh. Our guy's better.
Just kidding, neilymon. But tinyurl is your friend.
Tonight's better. :)
9 starting players
Melky and Bernie as OFs
Sal Fasano as Jorges caddy
Andy Phillips as INF sub
who is the final player on the roster ? Cairo ?
So who comes in for 8th and 9th. Beam and Dotel?
"The best way to answer the question would be to run PECOTAs for all the pitchers involved, which would help us to separate skill from luck--Chien-Ming Wang has a better ERA and a better VORP on the season than Jake Peavy, but only those folks immediately east of the Hudson River would rather have Wang start a playoff game."
Now, I know what this guy is getting at -- Wang doesn't strike anyone out and he gives up hits, therefore he must be lucky that more balls don't get through etc. But at some pt you have to face reality, you don't get well under a 4 era in the AL and esp the AL East for a whole season by luck. The fact that most of the balls hit off him are not only gb's but softly hit ones has got to friggin count for something.
At some pt you've got to put down the stat book and actually watch the dude pitch, and then listen to to what hitters have to say about trying to hit him.
This type of nonsense gives statheads a bad name.
Peavy, for chrissakes his era is well over 4 in the extremely light hitting NL west.
that is what I thought too....so it comes down to Phillips vs. Wilson really
I don't get Andy Phillips on the postseason roster, though.
Can we loan Phil Hughes to the White Sox for a game this weekend to shut this sob down for at least one game?
the only number that matters is 27
I have wondered myself why Wilson has not gotten behind the plate since the day we got him at least once or twice
That said, in general a pitcher who strikes out a lot of hitters and walks few hitters is preferrable to a pitcher who rarely strikes anyone out.
Not having read David Pinto's analysis, I'd have to agree that Wang is very much an outlier in this regard.
FYI - WARP1: Wang 7.1, Peavy 5.9
VORP: Wang 55.4 (leads team), Peavy 36.9 (3rd on team)
SNLVAR: Wang 5.5 (leads team), Peavy 5.7 (2nd on team)
Silver's work has been a little shoddy lately - first that 'secret sauce' article where he takes Liriano's numbers out for the Twins, but doesn't take out Erickson, Chacon, Small, etc's numbers for the Yanks, now this. He really should have looked the stats up before he typed that.
BTW II, ESPN's Hometown heroes will be on after the Phils - Nats game. Phils need 2 outs bottom of ninth, bases loaded.
And the commercial didn't even incorporate the Billy Joel song. For shame.
Now let's see what Villone can do . . .
PS - Odds on Bruney and/or Proctor pitching tonight?
By the way, Ligers and Twinks each down 6-3 batting in the bottom of the eighth. Nice of them, it makes it easier to remember.
For all of Farnsworth's farts, I'd rather have his young arm over the next two seasons (and this one) than Gordon's old arm. Good luck with that, Philly!
As long as Wang can keep reliably inducing ground balls - one of the reasons I'm sure his number of singles allowed is so high - I think he'll continue to have success, strikeout rate be damned.
Comparing a guy pitching in the AL East to a guy pitching in the NL west and in Dodger Stadium requires a lot of adjustments, and using PECOTA shows a complete lack of research (as in PECOTA is a joke.)
Man, is Villone really on the PS roster? I trust Veras, Rasner, and Karstens than him at this point.
Phils still in extra innings.
Astros still in extra innings.
Pads-Cards tied in 8th, with Pads threatening and Looper pitching. (Mets fans everywhere, BTW, must be howling with laughter.)
Dodgers take the lead in Colorado in the 6th.
This is still an interesting last week for baseball.
I think Villone is almost as guaranteed a spot on the postseason roster as Cairo. Joe trusts him now.
254 I'm not sure I agree with you on PECOTA, but actually Silver stated at the start of the article that he wasn't using PECOTA to figure it out. Instead, he used something he called QuikERA:
"QuikERA (QERA), which estimates what a pitcher's ERA should be based solely on his strikeout rate, walk rate, and GB/FB ratio. These three components--K rate, BB rate, GB/FB--stabilize very quickly, and they have the strongest predictive relationship with a pitcher's ERA going forward. What's more, they are not very dependent on park effects, allowing us to make reasonable comparisons of pitchers across different teams."
I'm not sure I agree that GB/FB rate isn't very dependent on park effects. PETCO, for example, tends to depress home runs, which suggests it also tends to depress fly balls.
Even if you accept everything Silver writes as true, given Peavy's struggles this year and the shoulder issue that's bothered him off and on, I still would rather have Wang starting a playoff game for me. It was a poor comparison on his part (though, to his credit, he did mention that Wang's VORP is better than Peavy's).
It's more than wonderful that Wang and Cano came along.
Now, as for the post season roster? Well, IF Shef is really back AND if Bernie is used properly (ha-ha), there really is not much need for a RH platoon hitter. On the other hand, carrying a back-up C is pretty silly, even though it is conventional wisdom. Check the Yankees post season stats--how many ABs do the back-up Cs actually get? Torre will never PH for Posada. Sure, he could get injured, but what are the odds? And rosters can be updated after each series anyway. And, Fasano is piss worthless as a starter, so if Posada gets hurt, the team is likely screwed anyway.
So, IF Torre had the balls to use Wilson as an emergency C, he could carry him (and he can play corner OF as well) instead of Fasano. But if Torre is set on carrying Fasano, then there is not much need for Wilson on the roster.
Likewise, there is little reason to carry Andy unless Torre actually plans on using him as the back-up 2B/3B as well. But he won't--he'll bring Cairo (I never wish injury on anone, but I was hoping Cairo would not be back this year).
I've mentioned I love Cano, right?
275 Who is Nick Green?
Who's the guy playing 1B for KC named Phillips? Andy didn't get traded and he certainly doesn't have a beard!
(Please tell me its NOT Jason Phillips.)
Holy Smokes. Pugols just hit a 3-run dinger.
the Nats, Phillies is a real nail biter...
Its a shame the Yanks play the Jays to end the year. I'd love to see the Jays end the season in 2nd place, but I'd rather the Yanks get HFA. Maybe the Sox will go on a long losing streak?
Otherwise I agree - no need to pitch to him.
The pressure is on Houston now to keep pace.
PNC Park is so empty. If I lived in Pittsburgh, I would get season tickets. That place is a jewel.
295 Oops, my bad. Still, loading the bases even with 2 outs is generally not a good idea.
Torre says: Mo gets one more inning before post-season, likely Saturday.
On a sad note, the AP recap of the game said Tony Pena's dad died, and he found out about it before the start of the game. My condolences to Pena and his family.
When asked if this was his deepest lineup ever, Torre, who has won four titles with the Yankees, said it was.
"It's pretty darn good right now," Torre said. "We have a guy named Bernie Williams sitting on the bench."
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