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A Fine Day For It
2006-09-23 11:41
by Alex Belth
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Chien-Ming Wang won his 18th game of the season as the Yanks beat the Rays, 4-1 on Friday night. Gary Sheffield didn't get a hit but made a couple of nice picks at first. Mariano Rivera wasn't particularly sharp in his return but he did manage to strike out the side in the ninth.

Cliff is getting married today and will be honeymooning in Italy for several weeks (he won't return until after the ALDS). Go Cliff and Becky and go Yanks!

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2006-09-23 11:49:57
1.   Bob Timmermann
Cliff obviously had confidence that the Yankees would have clinched by now.

But when are the Belth nuptials? And where will the romantic honeymoon be? Antwerp?

2006-09-23 12:06:18
2.   Sliced Bread
Congratulations, Cliff & Becky! Great cherce of honeymoon. My wife and I went to Roma, Capri, and Positano on ours. Best vacation we ever had.

Buono fortuna, and have a great luna di miele!

Looking forward to your Yankees 2006 ALCS posts.

2006-09-23 12:15:06
3.   Shaun P
All the best, Cliff and Becky - and safe travels.
2006-09-23 13:02:11
4.   Dimelo
When is the best time of year to get married?

January - football playoffs are starting, Giants are making a run to the Super Bowl, Knicks are starting to heat up (wishful thinking, I know), hot stove, hmm...maybe not this month.

February - NCAA conference championships are starting, Super Bowl has now been moved to this month and Jints are playing the Colts, Knicks are about to show their superiority over the Atlantic division, pitchers and catchers report, hmmm...maybe not this month.

March - Jints won the Super Bowl last month, spring training, prepping for fantasy baseball draft, March Madness, hmmm...maybe not this month either.

April - Start of the baseball season, NCAA championship game, pro football draft, Knicks are locking up the division and the best record in East. Not this month either...

May - Knicks are in full swing, they are playing crisp basketball and look poised to win a championship, Yankees are looking good and there's a 6 game series against Boston. Not this month either.

June - Knicks are playing the Lakers in the championship, nuff said...not a good month to think about a wedding.

July - Knicks have already won it all, but the Yanks have a series against the Mets, Angels, A's and Red Sox before the trading deadline. I don't know if I can be preoccupied with wedding not a good month either.

August - The Yanks are really taking off, Eli is looking good for the Jints. Not a good month either.

September - The Yanks are battling for the AL East crown against the Blue Jays and Red Sox and there are 6 games remaining against each team. The Giants open up against Philly, Dallas and the Patriots...the wedding will just have to wait.

October - The Yanks are in the Serious. Nuff wedding plans this month.

November - Yanks won the serious. Giants play the Cowboys and Skins at home and if they win those two then they win the NFC East. The Knicks are back on the tube and ready to defend their NBA Championship. My mom won't let me disappear away from the family for Thanksgiving, so the wedding will just have to wait.

December - The Giants lost last month against the Cowboys, they are in a two way tie for the NFC East and they have four tough games in December. The Knicks were 12 - 4 in November and we don't want to disrupt the karma, so wedding plans will just have to wait.....

....wait a second I have no more month's left. I guess I ain't getting married.

Nevertheless, good luck to you Cliff and I wish you all the happiness in the world. How ever did he find time to get married? And still keep us abreast of each upcoming Yankee opponent. Sorry Alex, Cliff is the MVP this year.... :-). Just both have done wonderful work.

2006-09-23 13:27:41
5.   mehmattski
4HAHAHAHA The Knicks in the playoffs... hahahahaahaha... no seriously, you told a good one there. Oh man, you really had me going until that. I guess you won't get married until 2050 or so, when Isaiah Thomas is long dead. Next, you'll tell me that you can't miss those MLS games...

May or June it is...

2006-09-23 13:27:52
6.   C2Coke

Cliff and Becky, congrats!
Enjoy Italy and your life together!

2006-09-23 13:32:12
7.   Dimelo
5 I know that's crazy for me to ever think the Knicks would ever become respectable. I can still wish, right?!?!?!?

You know, I just remembered that Thomas is their coach this year. Anyhow, those are my excuses and I'm sticking with the script or else I'm afraid as to what I might miss.

2006-09-23 14:07:10
8.   singledd
Off the Wall:
"(Nick) Johnson and Kearns slid for the ball, which landed between them, and appeared to bang knees and heads. Johnson immediately rolled onto his stomach, took off his hat and was face-down on the outfield grass.

He eventually was driven off the field with what appeared to be a leg injury."

Poor Nick. Injuries just seem to find him.

2006-09-23 14:07:38
9.   wsporter
Anyone catch the Mets game today? Nick Johnson looked like he really messed up his right knee/leg in a collision with Austin Kearns chasing a tough pop in shallow right.

It looked horrible. Does anyone have word or news on his condition? I always liked Nick and thought he was going to be our guy for a long time. Hope he can get over this one.

2006-09-23 14:48:46
10.   randym77
Melky Cabrera LF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Gary Sheffield 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Hideki Matsui DH
Jorge Posada C
Bernie Williams CF

Randy Johnson P

2006-09-23 14:56:11
11.   randym77
9 Yikes, that's terrible. I was watching college football, not baseball, but I just read the story at Jeez, that sucks.

I've always liked Nick, too. Kinda like "Once an Ag, always an Ag" at Texas A&M; once a Yankee, always a Yankee, at least in my mind. I even keep an eye on the ones who weren't very good, like Tony Womack.

2006-09-23 14:59:23
12.   yankz
11 "weren't very good"

The highest praise he's received since the '01 World Series.

2006-09-23 15:04:00
13.   kylepetterson
12 11 I'm just wondering who's being referred to as being "like Tony Womack"
2006-09-23 15:10:43
14.   randym77
13 Ummm...Matt Lawton?
2006-09-23 15:12:08
15.   kylepetterson
14 ha ha...I forgot about him. Memories of T-ball are coming back also...
2006-09-23 15:19:36
16.   kylepetterson
Remember Darrell May (0-1 16.71 ERA) and Tim Redding (0-1 54.00 ERA)? They were both easy to forget...
2006-09-23 15:24:06
17.   randym77
Speaking of forgotten players...Joe Torre appears to have forgotten about Kevin Thompson. I really wish he'd try Thompson or Guiel in CF instead of Bernie.
2006-09-23 15:26:01
18.   kylepetterson
17 Won't happen. For the same reason that RJ is going to start game 1 in the playoffs.


2006-09-23 15:34:35
19.   Jeteupthemiddle
I doubt very much that Randy Johnson is the game 1 starter in the playoffs.

He may be game 2 because they want Mussina in a possible elimination Game 3, but Johnson will not be the Game 1 starter.

2006-09-23 15:38:22
20.   randym77
18 The media was reporting yesterday that Wang will start game 1. Wouldn't surprise me if RJ did, though. :-/

I can see Bernie as the main backup CFer. But what about a LIDR for him? Joe trusted Bubba, but doesn't seem to trust anyone else. Given how fragile Damon is (prone to unexpected weird injuries, just before or during a game), it's something that should be addressed. Now is the time to see if Guiel or Thompson can handle it.

2006-09-23 15:42:46
21.   kylepetterson
Don't get me wrong, if you'll notice, I don't think I've posted a single negative thing about Torre, I think he is a fantastic skipper, one of the main reasons that this team wins year after year, but he seems, big portions of the time, to value experience over skill. I do like to use the comma.
2006-09-23 15:53:25
22.   randym77
YES just reminded me...Bernie hits really, really well in the Trop. Joe thinks he just sees the ball better indoors (while Jeter doesn't).
2006-09-23 15:55:06
23.   Jeteupthemiddle
I agree that quite often Torre would prefer to go with experience; however, that isn't always the case...and in the post season, all bets are off.

Last year he did start Crosby in centerfield because he needed defense (though that backfired...if Bernie were in center, no one is anywhere near Sheff to collide with him).

He has benched players such as Tino in post season games when he knows someone else is performing better.

And, all season long he has been praising the efforts of Wang. I would be absolutely shocked if Johnson is the Game 1 starter. I would prefer him to be the Game 3 starter, but wouldn't be surprised to see him start Game 2. (Though, I think having him start Game 2 is a defensive move, instead of an offensive says he trusts Mussina over Johnson in an elimination game...which isn't unfounded, but is still defensive as if he is almost EXPECTING an elimination game).

2006-09-23 16:19:59
24.   Adam B
Congratulations Cliff. I hope you have a wonderful time in Italy as well.
2006-09-23 16:21:34
25.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Right now, the rotation seems set for Wang to start game 1.

However, given Wang's home/road splits, I think it'd make sense, if we somehow don't get home field in the first rd, to think about starting Rj in game 1, since his record is significantly better on the road this year, and his era is a notch better as well. With Moose in Game 2, where he could come up with a big hold if we lose game 1, and Wang ready to go in game 3 at the Stadium.

2006-09-23 16:31:50
26.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
To clarify, when I say rj's record on the road is significantly better, I mean compared to HIS home record. Even tho the Wanger's road era is a run and 1/2 worse than at home, it's still better than rj's road era, and his 8-3 road record ain't too bad.
2006-09-23 16:33:53
27.   randym77
23 He started Crosby in CF, but only after futzing around most of the season with Lawton, Womack, Sierra, etc.

And he pinch-hit Sierra for Bubba in that last game. Even though Bubba was 2 for 3 with an RBI and a stolen base that night. And Sierra was batting something like .150 for the past month, while Bubba was batting .320.

2006-09-23 16:35:43
28.   JeremyM
If the Yanks get Minnesota (it looks probable), then how has Johnson pitched in the dome? I'm thinking it would be better to line him up there since the weather will be controlled and we don't have to worry about him going Achy Breaky Back on us again.
2006-09-23 16:36:43
29.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Robbie pulls witin 2 of Mauer,who's sitting tonight.
2006-09-23 16:43:10
30.   randym77
28 Good point. I'm sure Joe will take that sort of thing into consideration.
2006-09-23 16:47:31
31.   JeremyM
Detroit up 10-0 in the 1st and they still have the bases loaded. Ouch.
2006-09-23 16:48:39
32.   mehmattski
28 Since I consider myself the designated Banter SplitMan: RJ has only pitched 17 innings against Minnesota (at least as a Yankee), all of them last year, all of them at Yankee Stadium. He's allowed just one earned run on seven hits. Not exactly a trend I'd rest my chances on.

Mussina, meanwhile, has pitched 24.2 innings in the Metrodome over the last four seasons (including this one), giving up 15 earned runs, compared to 38 innings and 18 earned runs overall versus the Twins.

If you want to consider that a trend, I'd start Mussina in game 1 at YS, and avoid Wang on the turf for game 2. That leaves RJ in Minnesota for Game 3, but if its 2-0 Twins, the Yanks have worse problems than who starts the game...

2006-09-23 16:48:59
33.   randym77
31 What???? Are you serious?
2006-09-23 16:57:41
34.   mehmattski
!@$#@( Rocco Baldelli
2006-09-23 16:59:04
35.   randym77
Baldelli has no respect for Jorgie's arm. And pays the price...
2006-09-23 17:03:39
36.   yankz
This (batting) race isn't over yet...
2006-09-23 17:05:21
37.   singledd
Joe benched both Paulie and Giambi in the PS. He stretches it a bit, but in the PS he manages differently... to win now.
2006-09-23 17:05:53
38.   singledd
Good for Jetes. He really hasn't been hitting the ball hard lately.
2006-09-23 17:06:51
39.   yankz
Howell's ERA has already gone down .51.
2006-09-23 17:07:26
40.   yankz
Was Arod's last hit pre-Verducci?
2006-09-23 17:11:05
41.   mikeplugh
Mauer at .344
Cano at .342
Jeter at .339

But none of that matters as Mr. Creaky Back has handed TB a 3-0 lead.

2006-09-23 17:13:18
42.   JeremyM
Good to see the Unit rounding into form for October.
2006-09-23 17:13:30
43.   Stormer Sports
I finally get back from vacation and I see Johnson hasn't changed at all.
2006-09-23 17:14:20
44.   Stormer Sports

He's not in post season form yet, he's only given up 3 runs man, not 6, yet!

2006-09-23 17:15:40
45.   randym77
Well, this is pretty much how the Unit's pitched all year. He's been really lucky with the run support.
2006-09-23 17:16:29
46.   Simone
Randy Johnson in the post season is terrifying. I really hope that he is pitching the 2nd game.
2006-09-23 17:17:18
47.   singledd
Does anyone have a HRs allowed number on RJ. He must be close to the leader.
2006-09-23 17:18:12
48.   randym77
47 The mean Josh Beckett? ;-)
2006-09-23 17:20:58
49.   JeremyM
47 Oh Beckett has got him beat. 34 to 27 as of tonight. So it is a heck of a lot closer than I like.
2006-09-23 17:20:59
50.   singledd
Is MLB TV gonna play the same 'music' every game throughout the entire season? I'd rather watch commercials.
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2006-09-23 17:21:46
51.   singledd
At 27, is he in the top 10%? Whats the league average?
2006-09-23 17:21:49
52.   randym77
According the, Johnson's not even close to the leader. He's given up 26, way down the list.

Buerhle, Silva, and Beckett are at the top. 36, 36, 34 respectively.

2006-09-23 17:28:48
53.   randym77
I can't believe Sheff missed that.
2006-09-23 17:30:29
54.   mehmattski
52 Man, I hope the Yankees avoid the Twins and that unbeatable pitching staff. It's a wonder anyone has scored any runs against the Twins this year. Santana is going to pitch 3 perfect games and strike out 81 batters in the playoffs. What's that, you say? The Twins have to pitch someone else in games 2 and 3? Brad Radke and Carlos Silva. Oh, okay then...

my sarcasm is dripping like Niagra Falls tonight...

2006-09-23 17:33:49
55.   Bob Timmermann
For the record, Boston was officially eliminated from the playoffs today.
2006-09-23 17:33:51
56.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Yeah, but it's a little different if Liriano is pitching, and winning, game 2, which is what most folks were afraid of.

So, yeah, being down 2-0 in a 3 game series is pretty tough, even if Silva and Radke are the next 2 pitchers. Luckily we won't have to deal with that scenario this season.

2006-09-23 17:37:48
57.   Simone
55 Heh. The only thing that would make Boston's elimination more fun is the Blue Jays taking 2nd place in the division.
2006-09-23 17:38:57
58.   JeremyM
The Angels are almost gone too. I consider them #2 on the enemies list right now:)
2006-09-23 17:40:20
59.   mehmattski
I seriously doubt that Liriano will pitch in the Division Series. There may be a chance that he would pitch should the Twins advance, but I believe the Twins' officials who are saying they care more about his 200 innings next year than his 7 or 8 in a ALDS this year. If Wang (or Hughes) had this kind of injury, would you want him to pitch in the playoffs at all costs, even if it endangered his career? I wouldn't.

Echoing Jim Kaat, it's the Twins and Tigers who have more of a right to worry about who won't have to face the Yankees, rather than vice versa. Regardless of who the opponent is, if the Yankees don't perform to an elite level on offense, defense, and pitching... they're not going to win any playoff series. And if we are to believe that this team can with the whole thing, then we should believe that they are capable of taking out any postseason opponent... and they are capable of that.

Santana's a great pitcher, but he is not the whole team. The Twins' weak hitting lineup will decide more than one starting pitcher.

2006-09-23 17:40:25
60.   randym77
Amazing how dominating the A's have been, for a team that doesn't hit and doesn't get on base.
2006-09-23 17:43:16
61.   yankz
This game is making me really unconfident...2 hit by JP Freaking Howell through 5+?! The only two to get hits are batting close to .340! And RJ sh1ts the bed against a sh1tty team. Can't wait for him to pitch against Detroit.
2006-09-23 17:43:59
62.   yankz
61 OK, it's just one game, I'm overreacting...right?
2006-09-23 17:45:42
63.   JeremyM
62 Probably but I feel ya! But on the bright side, the Unit always sucks against Tampa, and the team can't see right to hit because they still have the burn of champagne in their eyes. That's why it's good to clinch early, it takes a bit to work it out.
2006-09-23 17:46:36
64.   Ken Arneson
60 Since the All-Star break, the A's have hit for AVG and OBP nearly as well as the Yankees have. Their slugging has been a little bit lower. Check out my post on Catfish Stew:

2006-09-23 17:46:45
65.   randym77
62 Yes. The Yanks aren't exactly fired up for these games. They'll take it a whole different level when it counts.
2006-09-23 17:48:55
66.   mehmattski
61 Perhaps he will pitch like this game:

or perhaps this game:

where he took a no hitter into the seventh...

2006-09-23 17:48:58
67.   randym77
Close but no cigar for Sheff. He's getting there, though.
2006-09-23 17:52:20
68.   rbj
Just wanted to chime in to congratulate Cliff on his autumnal nuptials.
4 hours of Aikido, plus a nice wine tasting afterwards, and I do not think I am long for this day.
I will say this: Unit would fair better in Comerica than in that rinky dink dome the Twins play in.
2006-09-23 17:52:55
69.   mikeplugh
Sheff won't be considered "back" until he hits 2 or 3 foul home runs into the upper deck. That's when he's going good, and he looks about 3 weeks away from that kind of swing.

I think you'll actually see him start to whip the ball around in about a week, for the record.

2006-09-23 17:54:23
70.   randym77
Yikes. Nick Johnson's leg is broken.
2006-09-23 17:54:27
71.   JeremyM
Is Sheff hurt? Shouldn't he stay out there to learn the position at this point?
2006-09-23 17:56:08
72.   Simone
RJ trying to take make up ground on Beckett.
2006-09-23 17:56:13
73.   mehmattski
Like last night, I must once again resist a joke involving Randy and Mr. Upton....
2006-09-23 17:57:17
74.   JeremyM
72 I think he's just trying to get his ERA over 5.00--and he's done it!
2006-09-23 17:58:50
75.   Simone
69 Agreed. Sheffield doesn't look right as yet.

70 Poor Nick. He has the worse luck. At least it happened at the end of the season.

2006-09-23 18:00:11
76.   kdw
70 Ugh, sounds like it was a horrific collision.
2006-09-23 18:03:09
77.   BklynBmr
WTF? I can't leave Randy alone with the D-Rays for a few hours? I come home to this? OK, I'm p*ssed! This shutout ends now!
2006-09-23 18:03:34
78.   singledd
Detroit squeaking by KC 15-0
2006-09-23 18:04:13
79.   singledd
That's a hit? How generous.
2006-09-23 18:06:07
80.   mehmattski
77 Hehe. Calm yourself down by giving us your patented, up to the minute, batting race update.
2006-09-23 18:10:11
81.   randym77
Kevin Thompson's alive!

But it looks like Joe's given up on this game. He's got the Clippers in.

2006-09-23 18:12:39
82.   randym77
Looks like Chicago's lost Jermaine Dye for the rest of the season. Hamstring.
2006-09-23 18:14:22
83.   BklynBmr
80 Thanks, ;-) but even that is upsetting me today! At least Mauer had the day off, probably would've gone 5-5 otherwise.

C'mon Veras, hold this and let's get the lumber going, Yanks!

2006-09-23 18:19:50
84.   randym77
Snakes on a bleepin' plane, but Wigginton's a pest.
2006-09-23 18:22:22
85.   BklynBmr
7 runs. No problem...
2006-09-23 18:24:26
86.   C2Coke
Does anyone know what's up with Jorge's CAT scan last night?
2006-09-23 18:25:59
87.   mikeplugh
I already posted my Canyon of Heroes mockery of Randy Johnson. It's Saturday morning in Japan and I'll be damned if I'm going to waste anymore time today on this game.


2006-09-23 18:27:48
88.   C2Coke
87 You mean Sunday morning, right? I thought you live in the future, mike?
2006-09-23 18:27:53
89.   randym77
86 He's fine. He was hit in the head with a broken bat last night. It was really scary. He got up and ran right into the clubhouse, and they called Fasano out of the bullpen. But Jorgie came back out again and said he could play. He stayed in the game.

They did the CAT scan as a precaution. It was clear. Joe originally had him out of the lineup tonight, but Jorgie griped so much Joe put him in.

2006-09-23 18:29:40
90.   BklynBmr
85 I was referring to the vaunted D-Ray pen, of course...

87 You mean Sunday of course. I wish it was Sunday right now myself.

2006-09-23 18:36:08
91.   randym77
Oy. Andy Cannizaro makes a great throw...if we had a ten foot tall first baseman.
2006-09-23 18:37:49
92.   mikeplugh
Whoops. I mean Sunday. Oh crap. I gotta go to work tomorrow. Thanks a lot guys. You couldn't let me live with my little illusion of Saturday.


2006-09-23 18:39:36
93.   randym77
Boy, Mike, you were irate. The "Intensive Care Unit"? LOL!
2006-09-23 18:46:51
94.   C2Coke
89 Thanks.
2006-09-23 19:15:14
95.   BklynBmr
87 Sweet work on the photo, that's hilarious ;-)

Gotta agree with mehmattski's comments, though. But I'm sure Joe will keep RJ on a very short leash, and it's nice to have Darrell (Just Call Me Mendoza) Rasner on the roster in case Randy (or anyone else) melts down in the second or third innning.

2006-09-23 19:20:49
96.   randym77
To be fair, even if RJ only gave up one run, we'd still have lost. The offense was AWOL tonight. Darn URP got us again.
2006-09-23 19:38:45
97.   wsporter
Took the kids to a soccer game so I missed this one. Walked in and checked Game Day and took a quick look at the thread. I stated to get that puke in the mouth sensation but not in a good way. Yuk. Get em tomorrow.
2006-09-23 19:45:47
98.   randym77
I guess it's that time of year again: Manny Ramirez is asking to be traded.
2006-09-23 19:50:20
99.   BklynBmr
96 Yeah, just one of those all around stinkers. They happen. The good news is only two more games in this poor excuse for a major league park, then back home for the duration where Joe & Co. can plot the ALDS roster.

Here's to a Moosterpiece and a 16 run assault on Tampa pitching tomorrow!

97 Good cherce on the soccer game, wsp. You didn't miss a thing. Trust me.

2006-09-24 00:08:02
100.   Zack
Not sure if anyone else read this, i followed it from Buster Olney's blog, or at least the first paragraph which I can read for free:

Halarious article about how Manny "quit" on his team and should be traded etc. And how real "dirt dogs" like, um, Trot Nixon always play hurt etc. Except that Nixon is ALWAYS on the DL. Its amazing, I mean, Manny is so underapreciated in Boston, I know hes a flake, hes kind of crazy, and he watches his home runs more than most, but hes also the greatest hitter of this generation and without him the Red Sox lineup takes a hit that is pretty impossible to match by any other player.

The way I see it, I really hope that they run him out of town, nothing would be better for the Yankees and worse for Ortiz, aka Big Floppy...

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2006-09-24 05:54:48
101.   Shaun P
100 It would be great to see Manny traded for peanuts on the dollar. He isn't quite "in his prime" - he turns 35 next May - but still managed to post his highest OPS (1.049) since 2002. Oh, and he has almost as many BBs (99) as he does Ks (102) - while spending all year hitting behind Papi. Dude has career averages of .314/.411/.600 - I don't care if he's a fruitcake, he can hit in an inner-circle HoF way.

Best quote from the article: "Losing Ramírez leaves an enormous hole in the lineup behind Ortiz, but one that can be filled. Maybe not with a future Hall of Famer, but with a winner."

2006-09-24 06:12:29
102.   Sliced Bread
While the Manny to Angels rumors heat up, Red Sox are all over Sheffield, or at least that's what the buzz is, thanks to Gammons.

Funny, the Sox wouldn't do $12-$13 mill for Damon, but suddenly seem eager to go deep for Sheff.

If the Sox are smart, they're feigning interest in Sheff just to complicate matters for the Yanks. But I don't think the Sox are smart (see Damon to Yanks) (see Abreu to Yanks for minimal prospects).

Heh. Ded Sox will be drawing from the bank this winter, that's for sure.

What's next? Bonds to Boston?

2006-09-24 06:33:42
103.   Sliced Bread
64 Ken, (not just because this is your site) I think the patient and opportunistic A's hitters can work the Yanks pitchers hard.

Yanks-A's would/will be a fun series.

Now, would your A's please eliminate/obliterate the damn Angels, so I can rest more peacefully before the playoffs?

2006-09-24 07:20:58
104.   Shaun P
The biggest reason for the Sox to NOT trade Manny is that their current window of winning another championship is very narrow, IMO. 2, maybe 3 years. Which coincides with the remainder of Manny's contract and Papi's likely remaining good years.

102 I think Sheff would hit very well in Boston, so I hope he doesn't go there. As you suggest Sliced, I also don't think the Sox would pony up for more than a year of Sheff, and that won't do it for Gary. I expect the Yanks to pick up his option.

And while I'm sure on some level the Sox's braintrust covets Bonds' skills - imagine if he could DH full time - given the racial history of the place I don't see Bonds ever going there. I think Bonds goes to Detroit.

2006-09-24 08:15:58
105.   C2Coke
102,103 Even though it's just a rumor now, Manny to Angels and Sheff to Boston is definitely going to post a lot of problems for the Yankees...

The Yankees might as well come up with the pocket change and keep Sheff maybe on 1B or maybe mad on the bench...

2006-09-24 08:31:12
106.   Simone
I think the Yankees would be making a huge mistake to pick up Sheffield's option or re-sign him for more than 1 year. The Yankees would be better off going after Frank Thomas for a reasonable amount of money. Both of these guys are old and injury prone and shouldn't be over paid.

As for Manny, as long as he is in the AL, all the AL teams that face him are in trouble. However, the Yankees are better off with Manny in Anheim than staying with Ortiz in Boston.

2006-09-24 08:54:04
107.   wsporter
MFD 101 104 I agree on all points.

106 After this year Frank Thomas isn't going to go anywhere for a "reasonable price". He's looking at Shef. money in Boston, Detroit, Anaheim, Texas, Toronto or even Balto etc.

Given that Giambi appears to be melting before our eyes I think re-signing Shef makes more sense every day. If they can negotiate a reasonable two year figure great; if not, they should hold their noses and exercise the option.

It'll mean less playing time for Melky but you don't get anything free in this life. Well except maybe Game Day ;-)

2006-09-24 09:04:50
108.   randym77
Melky finally gets a rest day...

Damon CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
A-Rod 3B
Sheff 1B
Cano 2B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Guiel LF

2006-09-24 09:34:56
109.   JeremyM
107 I agree, it would be foolish to let Sheffield go at this point. With all the injuries this year, what is the harm in keeping around a $13 million insurance policy?

108 I like that lineup.

2006-09-24 09:44:56
110.   singledd
Matsui has posted an .850+/- OPS with the Yanks.
Sheff has posted an .910+/- OPS with the Yanks.
We are paying Matsui AND Damon 13 mil for FOUR years.
You don't think Sheff is worth 13 mil for ONE year? Ya gotta be nuts.

Unlike Thomas, Sheff can still run and play OF (and 1st base?) if required.

With Melky as an OFer, and Sheff around, we can now rest our older vets on a regular basis without compromising our line-up, and also have a strong bench and some injury insurance.

Sheff needs 2 years to get 500 HRs. After his one year option, he might sign for 2008 for cheap, to stay with the Yankees and hit #500 in NY.

There are those that don't like Shef, but he has earned his stripes. I do believe the Sox would give him a 2 yr contract to hit tasers off the Green Monster.

Since Boston lost the Babe, might they like to have Barry bcome the all time HR leader in a Sox uniform? Where ever Barry goes, he's gonna sell a lot of tickets. And if there is one LF Bonds can still cover, it's in Boston.

2006-09-24 09:57:30
111.   kdw
Joe sounded a little testy on his radio pregame when Sterling talked about yesterday's game. Sterling said you have to give credit to the pitcher and Joe said yeah, from the stands or the broadcast booth you might not be able to appreciate how a pitcher is actually throwing. Then when Sterling mentioned the Yanks' problem with pitchers they haven't seen before, especially lefties, and that hopefully that wouldn't be an issue in the play-offs, Joe was pretty short. He said he didn't know what to say to that but he doesn't think a team could get a new pitcher in time for the play-offs at this point.
2006-09-24 10:01:46
112.   Zack
Manny to the Angels would be fine with me: sure, it makes the Angels better, but we can't beat them anyways, and it makes the Sox worse. The Angels have a loaded farm system, so they have the talent to give. On the other hand, watching Manny play out his last two years in Boston as the team in general gets older and crazier could be fun too, and then when he does finally leave, will Boston suddenly realize what they lost, or pull a Clemens/Boggs/everyone else who has left Boston, and declare him public enemy #1?
2006-09-24 10:15:03
113.   yankeemonkey
Reason #506 to love Johnny Damon: YES just showed him dancing with the Rays mascot in the on-deck circle. Awesome!
2006-09-24 10:51:23
114.   Flip Play
Hi. I often follow the Banter during games but never post. Has it died because these games don't mean anything, so people are actually outside on Sunday afternoon?
2006-09-24 10:55:15
115.   randym77
It's not usual for the Banter to be pretty quiet on weekends.

And those bleepin' Rays obviously have a telepath on staff. They always know when to pitch out. :-P

2006-09-24 11:00:39
116.   JeremyM
115 Yeah, his name is Don Zimmer:)
2006-09-24 11:06:22
117.   yankeemonkey
I have to say, I could do without a pitching duel against the freakin' DEVIL RAYS!
2006-09-24 11:07:24
118.   randym77
Why is Jorgie in the lineup? Shouldn't they be resting him after the night game last night?
2006-09-24 11:11:24
119.   Flip Play
Mauer homered by the way. .345
2006-09-24 11:20:04
120.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
117 Well, with the way Moose is pitching, and the Yanks are fielding, this inning you may get your wish.
2006-09-24 11:21:02
121.   randym77
120 I don't think that's quite what s/he had in mind. :-P

Wigginton does it to us again.

2006-09-24 11:21:06
122.   yankz
Moose is very responsible for this, but it does seem like he has some really bad luck with defense, doesn't it?
2006-09-24 11:23:31
123.   randym77
122 He has bad luck on defense and offense.

Though today, it's not all bad defense. The speedy Rays are also making their own luck.

2006-09-24 11:28:23
124.   randym77
And Moose gets some luck. Bounces into the stands for a ground rule double, or it would be worse.
2006-09-24 11:32:29
125.   kdw
That luck didn't last very long.
2006-09-24 11:32:44
126.   Simone
Finally, the horrible inning is over.
2006-09-24 11:33:58
127.   yankz
God d@mmit.
2006-09-24 11:34:00
128.   yankeemonkey
Um...that's definitely NOT what I had in mind. Grrrr.
2006-09-24 11:34:51
129.   Chyll Will
114 I'm doing laundry and bi-weekly food shopping, plus my ancient IBM Aptiva likes to rest on weekends, what with my lady always kicking me off it when I get home so she can do her thing. And if you hadn't noticed, my posts tend to reside somewhere in left field, so less is better in my case (but I'm harmless)

2 Things -

Congrats to Cliff and his bride; enjoy the new life and we'll keep the light on for you.

That strange picture of Melky and Bobby dancing on the back page of the Daily News will be up this evening. I'll let you know.

2006-09-24 11:35:12
130.   Flip Play
2006-09-24 11:35:28
131.   yankz
Hey Yankees, Brian Stokes has a 5.74 ERA.
2006-09-24 11:36:44
132.   randym77
131 Doesn't matter. He's an URP.
2006-09-24 11:37:26
133.   Yu-Hsing Chen
the Phillies/Marlins game are much more entertaining now....

Moyer gets bombed for 4 in the first.. but the Phllies come right back and bomb 4 in the 3rd... Rollins and Utley both go yard...

2006-09-24 11:40:25
134.   Yu-Hsing Chen
WTF Chris "30 year old rookie catcher" Coste goes yard after Conine and Burrell's back to back single
2006-09-24 11:41:32
135.   randym77
Good battle by Guiel. How did he end up spending ten years in the minors?
2006-09-24 11:41:52
136.   yankeemonkey
Well...if they feel the need to play like crap for awhile, I'm hoping they get out of their system now, rather than in the playoffs.
2006-09-24 11:43:12
137.   yankeemonkey
136 get it out of their system

Sheesh, I really should start previewing my posts...

2006-09-24 11:44:49
138.   rbj
Um, this is kind of a bizzare game, isn't it?
2006-09-24 11:45:06
139.   yankz
Jeet at 96 RBI, think he gets it done?
2006-09-24 11:46:54
140.   Flip Play
Do it, ARod.
2006-09-24 11:47:55
141.   yankz
Wow...first pitch popout against a crappy struggling pitcher? Are we sure that Verducci article had no effect on Arod?
2006-09-24 11:48:11
142.   rbj
He did. Next time, be more specific, like hit a grand slam, and do not pop up on the first freakin' pitch!
2006-09-24 11:48:29
143.   Flip Play
ARod to the Angels, huh?
2006-09-24 11:48:49
144.   BL-YF
It is situations like that, that give ARod the bad rep.
2006-09-24 11:49:14
145.   randym77
140 He did it. Popped out on the first pitch. :-P

And then banged his helmet on the ground. Twice. ("Note to self: Joe said to get angry.")

2006-09-24 11:49:28
146.   fansince77
I am shocked by AROD's impatience and lack of ability to hit the ball hard somewhere.

I Don't expect perfection- just a better freakin' effort

2006-09-24 11:50:30
147.   yankeemonkey
Ya know...Randy has pitched like crap, yet he has 17 wins. It would be nice if Moose got the same kind of run support when he had a bad game, for once!
2006-09-24 11:51:50
148.   kdw
And Detroit way up on KC again early. Home field could slip away if this keeps up.
2006-09-24 11:52:59
149.   yankeemonkey
Anybody watching Jets/Bills? Those Jets sure are plucky, considering how crappy they were projected to be!
2006-09-24 11:53:10
150.   markp
It never ends: an out in a completely meaningless game against a pitcher who's gotten most of the rest of lineup out easily is why Arod has a bad rep?
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2006-09-24 11:53:26
151.   yankz
148 Is it really a priority? The Yankees will have home field in the first round and the World Series, and against anyone but the Tigers in the ALCS (and if they play the Tigers, I expect the series to be over in 5 games).
2006-09-24 11:56:19
152.   randym77
And it gets worse...
2006-09-24 11:56:58
153.   kdw
What happened with Mussina? I missed it.
2006-09-24 11:57:54
154.   yankz
They've already clinched, they've already clinched...
2006-09-24 11:59:04
155.   randym77
Got hit on the hand (I think) by a comebacker.
2006-09-24 12:03:48
156.   yankeemonkey
155 Did it look bad? That's the last thing we need...
2006-09-24 12:04:23
157.   kdw
155 Thanks.

151 You're probably right but I hate to take anything for granted.

It's nice to see Villone come in and get out of the inning without giving up runs.

2006-09-24 12:05:58
158.   yankeemonkey
Wow...the Royals kind of suck, don't they...
2006-09-24 12:06:43
159.   rbj
Yay Robbie!
2006-09-24 12:07:44
160.   randym77
Didn't look that bad. I suspect they pulled him just as a precaution. And because he was stinking up the joint.

Yeah, Robbie! They're chiseling their way back into it.

2006-09-24 12:08:50
161.   yankz
This kid is a freak
2006-09-24 12:11:30
162.   yankeemonkey
How many more PAs for Cano to qualify?
2006-09-24 12:11:36
163.   singledd
While he could have done better, Moose only game up 2 earned runs. This loss is on Jetes throw. Lets hope he can get his third hit. Cano too.
2006-09-24 12:12:23
164.   yankz
Mauer's at .346; I don't see it happening. Although I really hope Jeter pulls off a miracle.
2006-09-24 12:13:34
165.   randym77
Mussina: mild bruise on the base of the left thumb.
2006-09-24 12:13:57
166.   yankeemonkey
I think there's a much better chance that Cano catches Mauer, rather than Jeter. And I, for one, couldn't be happier :)
2006-09-24 12:14:08
167.   3rd gen yankee fan
Miracles seem to be Jeter's specialty.
2006-09-24 12:14:19
168.   yankeemonkey
165 Thanks for the update!
2006-09-24 12:14:46
169.   yankz
163 After Jeter's error, Moose didn't have to throw a wild pitch, three singles, a (ground rule) double, and a walk. This is just what happened when Arod made errors but Moose's ERA was saved. Jeter is partly to blame, but this is mostly the pitcher's fault.
2006-09-24 12:15:08
170.   randym77
Jeter got the error, but I suspect a more experienced first baseman would have made that play.
2006-09-24 12:15:47
171.   yankeemonkey
163 Thank goodness it was Jeter's error and not A-Rod's. Otherwise there might be a murder in the locker room afterwards!
2006-09-24 12:17:12
172.   wsporter
165 Right or left hand?
2006-09-24 12:17:31
173.   rbj
Does anyone else think that a regular ML firstbaseman would have scooped up Jeter's throw? I've seen even Giambi do that, which makes me worry about having Shef at first in the playoffs.
2006-09-24 12:18:19
174.   randym77
172 Moose has a left thumb on his right hand? ;-)
2006-09-24 12:19:05
175.   Simone
Even if the error hadn't happened, the way Mussina was pitching the inning would have still exploded.
2006-09-24 12:20:04
176.   yankeemonkey
174 That would explain a lot!

173 If Sheff continues like this (both hitting and fielding), I don't see him making the roster. At least not until the ALCS...Of course it all depends on Giambi's wrist...

2006-09-24 12:20:58
177.   Simone
173 Maybe a 1st base with Tony Clark's height would have gotten that ball. The throw was short. It was a tough play.
2006-09-24 12:21:05
178.   singledd
Lucky call to Damon. Looked good.
2006-09-24 12:22:54
179.   Yu-Hsing Chen
arrragh, agrivating game...

Cano is a monsta though. he's EQA is now higher than Chase Utely... just think about that for a sec....

2006-09-24 12:25:23
180.   singledd
173 If was looking like an in-between hop. Sheff stretched to the max to shorthop it, and fell off the bag. Maybe someone else may have made it, but I think Sheff did the right thing, and did it pretty well. The throw was way short.
2006-09-24 12:25:25
181.   yankz
2006-09-24 12:25:36
182.   randym77
Wigginton is just unreal.
2006-09-24 12:27:01
183.   singledd
I don't know if Torre is testing Villion, but he shouldn't be in there, pitching to power righties. Is there a chance he's pitched himself out of the PS?
2006-09-24 12:28:19
184.   yankeemonkey
183 I was just thinking about that. I have a feeling today might be the last chance for Ronny...
2006-09-24 12:28:26
185.   randym77
183 Probably not. Though personally, I'd take Karstens or Rasner over Villone.
2006-09-24 12:36:30
186.   kdw
185 Me too at this point.
2006-09-24 12:39:39
187.   Yu-Hsing Chen
Yes , looks like Villone is gone from the post season roster... though he'll get a ring if we win this.
2006-09-24 12:42:03
188.   yankeemonkey
Let's see Rasner prove that he deserves to take Villone's place...
2006-09-24 12:44:13
189.   randym77
Well, this is getting ugly.
2006-09-24 12:44:24
190.   yankz
What a disastrous couple of days
2006-09-24 12:44:55
191.   3rd gen yankee fan
2006-09-24 12:45:06
192.   yankeemonkey
At least the Jets are winning...


2006-09-24 12:46:14
193.   singledd
I assume we only use 4 starters for the entire PS. Thats Wang, Moose, RJ and Wright.
The other 7 should be?:

------- pick 2 more
------ Joe picks Lidle (long relief) and Villion?

2006-09-24 12:46:20
194.   yankz
Anyone know what time the Giants game is and on what channel it'll be coming?
2006-09-24 12:46:54
195.   yankz
194 OK, it's in half an hour, but still no luck finding the channel...
2006-09-24 12:47:18
196.   yankz
OK, it's on Fox.
2006-09-24 12:47:58
197.   yankz
Is going into the PS with "One a day" Myers as the only lefty out of the pen a good idea?
2006-09-24 12:48:57
198.   yankeemonkey
194 FOX at 4:15
2006-09-24 12:49:29
199.   3rd gen yankee fan
That was awful.
2006-09-24 12:49:44
200.   yankz
198 Got it but thanks anyway!
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2006-09-24 12:51:24
201.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I'm going to pretend that this weekend never happened.

However, the performances of Moose and Eunuch, and the impotence of our bats against some seriously weak-ass pitching, is leaving me depressed about our post-season chances, especialy as both Detroit and Minny are cruising going into the playoffs.

Indeed if we play like this for the last week of the season, we could very well finish with the worst record among the playoff teams. Detroit will pass us today,Minny will only be a game back if they hold off the O's, and if Oakland wins today too, they'll be only 2 back.

The only silver lining is that Torre might finally realize that Villone is cooked. I wouldnt bet on it tho.

2006-09-24 12:51:42
202.   yankeemonkey
200 No prob. And it can't start soon enough considering the developments at the Trop...
2006-09-24 12:55:00
203.   yankz
201 I agree. 2000 keeps coming to mind, but that had to have been an anomaly.
2006-09-24 12:57:47
204.   randym77
My guess of what Joe will do:


What I would do:


Villone is not just fried. He was playing over himself for a brief time. And we won't be facing Big Papi, so we don't need Myers.

2006-09-24 13:01:27
205.   yankeemonkey
What about Mauer and Morneau?
2006-09-24 13:01:59
206.   yankeemonkey
206 That was for 205, obviously.
2006-09-24 13:07:52
207.   randym77
I'm just not wild about carrying a lefty specialist. I'd rather have someone who can go long, in case of Unit implosion.
2006-09-24 13:07:53
208.   yankeemonkey
Woohoo, Jets win!

Now, if only the Yanks can rally for 8 runs in the next 6 outs...

2006-09-24 13:18:03
209.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Johnny Baseball needs to sit til the playoffs. A pathetic 0-fer-5 today. The dude is a blackhole of suckiness at the top of the lineup recently: .239/.311/.284 in September. He needs to get healthy or he's useless to us.
2006-09-24 13:18:40
210.   Simone
Will Sheffield be really ready to play in the post season? I'm not convinced that he should be playing 1st in the playoffs.
2006-09-24 13:19:05
211.   randym77
208 If they do, the charge will be led by the likes of Nick Green and Andy Cannizaro.
2006-09-24 13:19:51
212.   yankeemonkey
Holy...what a start for the Jints!
2006-09-24 13:31:10
213.   yankeemonkey
Evidently, all NY teams have entered the "biggest bunch of sucks who ever sucked" territory. Except for the Jets, for some reason.
2006-09-24 13:40:37
214.   kdw
Mauer's gone 3 for 4, batting .347 and Bruce Chen is coming in to pitch to him.
2006-09-24 13:57:02
215.   kdw
On the radio post-game, Waldman said that Torre's response to a question about Villone on the post-season roster was that a lot of the guys have earned his trust and something would really have to change to affect that. Sounds like Villone is definitely in despite his recent performance.
2006-09-24 14:00:10
216.   yankeemonkey
215 I guess an ERA of near 20 in the last few weeks doesn't qualify as something happening, eh? Sigh.
2006-09-24 14:04:20
217.   randym77
Holy crap. I just checked the Giants game. 20-0 in the 1st quarter???
2006-09-24 14:05:06
218.   rbj
Must be a conspiracy for my teams to suck today.
2006-09-24 14:05:42
219.   yankeemonkey
217 Not to nitpick, but it's 21-0....Ugly.
2006-09-24 14:05:50
220.   Max
So do the Yankees take weekends off now? Our only wins from starters in the last ten games have been from Rasner, Karstens, and Wang. Moose has lost twice and RJ has been just as ugly everytime he takss the mound.

And the offense isn't putting fear in the hearts of most of these unknown pitchers.

At least Cliff picked a good weekend to get married, if he didn't want to have think about the Yankees. I'd ignore a team that lost two games by 8-0 and 11-4 to the Devil Rays.

2006-09-24 14:07:39
221.   kdw
216 Sure didn't sound like it. Waldman said Torre paused like he didn't quite understand that the question was whether Villone would be on the post-season roster. Sounded like the very idea was kind of a surprise to him.

Jeter also admitted it was kind of hard to keep their focus but said they need to get it back so they don't go in playing poorly.

2006-09-24 14:09:23
222.   rabid stan
Classic Moose (besides blowing up for a big fourth inning)

Kim Jones: (regarding Moose's bruised thumb) So do you feel lucky?

Moose: Why?

2006-09-24 14:09:55
223.   Shaun P
217 219 Exsqueeze me? You guys are kidding, right?

(Checks box score)

Manning has completed 5 passes - 3 to the Giants, and 2 to Ken Hamlin - ARGH!

This was a good weekend to be stuck working each day, as I have been.

2006-09-24 14:10:30
224.   randym77
I think Villone would have to be kidnapped by aliens for him to left off the post-season roster.
2006-09-24 14:15:01
225.   randym77
Another interception. Unreal.
2006-09-24 14:18:32
226.   kdw
222 Was she making him an offer?
2006-09-24 14:18:58
227.   yankz
225 Worst sports weekend in a while.
2006-09-24 14:24:40
228.   rabid stan
226 Maybe he was thinking that way. He looked kind of disappointed when she answered his counter-question with "Well, it (getting hit by a line drive after the inning went to hell) could have been worse."

But I don't know if he was disappointed because it wasn't an offer, or because the whole exchange was so incredibly stupid.

2006-09-24 14:31:30
229.   kdw
228 Maybe it wasn't just Johnson, and the entire starting rotation now has a thing for Kim Jones. Next up will be Wang. That should be entertaining.
2006-09-24 14:33:16
230.   yankz
229Imagine being the translator, forced to asked Kim Jones what her sign is.
2006-09-24 14:38:36
231.   kdw
230 Now that would be funny.

Giants game now completely unreal.

2006-09-24 14:47:52
232.   Simone
Wow, the Giants look dreadful. Where is the defense?
2006-09-24 15:00:28
233.   rbj
232 Giants defense misread the schedule. They thought the game was in Giants Stadium. Ugh.
2006-09-24 15:03:34
234.   yankz
233 Wait, really?
2006-09-24 15:04:40
235.   yankeemonkey
233 More like they thought it was the bye week and didn't show up.
2006-09-24 15:05:44
236.   kdw
232 Hanging out with the Yanks' offense?
2006-09-24 15:06:07
237.   Simone
Coughlin benched Plaxico? Things are bad.
2006-09-24 15:09:32
238.   wsporter
174 Randy that's what I get for reading while I'm working. Sorry ;-)
2006-09-24 15:17:05
239.   yankeemonkey
This game reminds me of last year's playoffs...Giants losing to Carolina 41(?)-0. Incredibly awful. And yet, I can't look away.
2006-09-24 15:38:16
240.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
If Coughlin had any honor he'd commit suicide at mid-field immediately after the final whistle.

A team peformance that poor in all aspects has to be laid at the feet of the coach. The signs were there in Philly. I mean, can they friggin snap the ball without moving beforehand? They need to use electroshock therapy on the O-line in practice or something.

At least the Giants' debacle has made me forget the Yanks' weekend!

2006-09-24 15:49:10
241.   yankeemonkey
Let me get this straight: Giants can't catch Manning's passes, but they haul in Hasselbeck's?! Clearly they'd been partying with the Yankees all this week. How else to explain the massive suckage of both teams?
2006-09-24 15:54:03
242.   Simone
Giants' trying to rally.
2006-09-24 15:56:38
243.   wsporter
Gave up too much too early. Still, GO GINTS.

I can't wait for the playoffs, this slow death to the season gets aggravating.

2006-09-24 15:56:45
244.   yankeemonkey
Too little, too late...
2006-09-24 15:59:23
245.   Shaun P
The Giants should NOT make a habit of falling behind early and then having to play catch-up.

Nonetheless, another come from behind victory on the road would be nice . . .

No offense to Villone, but I don't want to see him on the postseason roster. Why can't we duct tape Carl Pavano to Villone? He's bound to become unavailable that way! ;)

2006-09-24 16:04:14
246.   yankeemonkey
Somehow I don't see them coming back from that kind of deficit with 7 minutes remaining in the game...Too bad it took them until the 4th quarter to wake up.
2006-09-24 16:05:18
247.   kdw
245 Hey much as Villone in the post-season scares me, I don't think it's fair to make him spend time with Pavano much less actually touch him.
2006-09-24 16:11:35
248.   yankeemonkey
Can you believe this?!
2006-09-24 16:14:04
249.   kdw
Pretty amazing. But have to agree, no timeouts is going to hurt.
2006-09-24 16:16:07
250.   yankeemonkey
I don't understand why they didn't go for an onside kick earlier. Could've saved some time and maybe a timeout. Well, at least they made it exciting in the end...Maybe next time the defense will remember to show up earlier...
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2006-09-24 16:26:12
251.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
250 To be fair, the offense was responsible for much of what went on. Those 3 interceptions and fumble left the Hawks with some pretty good field position. And when the receivers weren't dropping passes, or basically handing them to the Seattle d-backs, Manning was missing them by yards.
2006-09-24 16:29:13
252.   yankeemonkey
251 Very true. However, how many times were the Hawk receivers completely open? On a couple of those TDs they could've walked into the endzone. The offense was...well, offensive. Someone needs to teach receivers how to catch the freakin' ball.
2006-09-24 17:50:16
253.   randym77
Anyone watching Weaver vs. Clemens on ESPN? Has the Rocket set a record for "final games" yet? ;-)

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