Something tells me that this is going to be House Money day at the Rogers Center. I don't know the lineup, but I think that some folks will get some rest.
Frankly, that might not be such a bad thing with a travel day tomorrow, particularly when we know that Henn is not going to pitch well as compared to Halladay.
I want the Yanks to win 100 games and to have home field advantage, but I also want them to be fresh. I'd tell Giambi to take the next week off and play Sheff at first.
QUESTION: Does everyone hope that the Yanks get the Paper Tigers or the Twins in Round 1? I'd personally rather have the team with the low OBP, High K'ing offense, young pitchers, and kids who've never been in the playoffs (who the Yanks went 5-2 against) than Johan & Company (who the Yanks went 3-3 against).
Clearly prefer the Kitties over the Twins, but the Tigers'll be better than they look now in the playoffs because it looks like Polanco will be back and Neifi Perez relegated to riding pine.
1) Damn, Giambi is being crushed on PTI and elsewhere on sports tv/radio for his comments in that article which were taken somewhat out of context. See, I'm right that people don't really want professional athletes to be forthright.
2) Yeah, it doesn't look good for the Yankees with Henn going against Halladay, but what you never know.
I'm kind of sick of hearing how scary Johan and the Twinkies are. Yeah, I would rather face the Tigers out the gate, but if we do not, so what? The Yanks have beat Santana in the post-season before. The Twins have a good bullpen w/Crain, Rincon, Neshek, and Nathan as the anchor, but the they're not too good that the Yank offense cannot do damage to them. Besides, if the Twins are the best out there, I'd rather battle them first and move on. If the Yanks are going to do it this year, they better get it done no matter who they face.
Wow! ESPN is going on for about 10-15 min. on the AROD STORY.
AROD has read all of the article and has no problems with any of it...
the timing...
and other nonsense...sorry it's just hard to let go of this.
Ugh. ESPN is still going on and on and on about the A-Rod/SI story. Ten plus minutes with no break. Now Tino Martinez is throwing A-Rod under the bus. I love Tino but here you go...
356AB .233/.321/.351
Tony Womack? Nope. Tino's career post-season numbers. A-Rod?
118AB .305/.393/.534
And A-Rod's NEVER had on OB% lower than .378 in any Yankee post season series. Giambi's stats from 2004? He has none. He was left off the roster.
Give us all a break with the A-Rod bashing Tino. And ESPN, please, I beg you, stop mischaracterizing the Verducci piece. You had Verducci on and he said it wasn't a negative piece, and A-Rod said he didn't have a problem with a single word in the SI piece and Giambi's like a brother. So what's the problem?
Going on 15 minutes into Sportscenter - 14 minutes on A-Rod. If you are going to do a story about the story at least get the initial story right. Tony Kornheiser is talking about it and he admitted he hasn't even read it.
8 Word! The whole "fear the Twins" every post season when the Yankees play them is out of control. If the Yankees' pitchers are half-way decent, they beat the Twins.
Tino was saying that it drives other Yankees crazy when A-Rod mentions other teammates slumps when talking about his own troubles (like Jeter and Mo blowing 3 saves in a week) and when A-Rod talks about other players getting lots of money as well. That part was honest but then Tino went into a rant about A-Rod's approach to the game and then cited a bunch of intangible bs that is based on vapor, not performance.
11 Tino said that the fans and players get tired of A-Rod's excuses when he struggles. No one wants to hear them. They just hear that he is working hard to come out of his slump. Also, some stuff about A-Rod beating himself mentally. Basically, Tino sticking the knife in A-Rod's chest rather than his back.
The Columbus Clippers are now the Nationals' Triple-A team. They will keep their nickname and continue to play in the IL. It's only a two-year deal, because the Clippers are hoping to land an Ohio team when Reds' and Indians' Triple-A contracts are up.
The Yankees are rumored to have reached an agreement with the Scranton Red Barons, but so far there is no official announcement.
Gammons is back on BBTN. Good to have the Red Sox shill back. However, it was fun watching Theo struggling to make deals at the trading deadline without Gammons floating fake trades on the Red Sox behalf.
Goldman has thoughtful comments about the SI article in the Pinstriped Blog (http://tinyurl.com/p3thd). I hope that Goldman's health problems are not serious.
28 Wang's my favorite. No question. But Halladay's the Doctor of groundballs with more experience and Ks. As efficient as Wang is, Halladay needs less pitches. Just as a baseball fan, it's a pleasure to watch Halladay.
29 Hispanics are actually Caucasian*, Spain is a part of Europe. A lot of escaped/freed/former African slaves in the Carribean (and even South America, just look at Brazilians) stayed in the area, married in with the Hispanic population. Look at El Duque, dark skin color, but a Latino because he's from Cuba.
*(not that race has any real meaning, biologically)
It's too bad one pitcher cannot carry the whole team on his back. I look at the Jays and know that they "should be" so much more talented than the Red Sox. Maybe next year with Chacin healthy and Burnett more stable,the Yankees can have a real rival.
"OLIVER Platt will have to get a shave and a haircut - he's been cast as George Steinbrenner in the ESPN miniseries of "The Bronx Is Burning," Jonathan Mahler's best seller, subtitled "1977, Baseball, Politics, and the Battle for the Soul of a City." The story sets the Yankees pennant race that summer - capped by Reggie Jackson's three consecutive home runs in Game 6 of the World Series - against the hunt for the Son of Sam killer, a blackout which erupted into full-scale looting and the brutal race for mayor between Ed Koch and Mario Cuomo. Variety reports that John Turturro will play Yankee manager Billy Martin."
Yeah, Robbie. Steal that batting title from Jeter and Mauer.
34 Trying to be tactful and not use the term, "race," I did a crappy job with my question. Latino usually means people from Latin American heritage. Like you said, they can be from a variety of ethnic backgrounds. I'm not even clear about what the term, "Hispanic" refers to any more. However, like you said, people from Spain are Europeans, but I don't think that they are considered Hispanic.
When A-Rod says that he is biracial what does he mean in terms of his parents? Is one of his parents of European heritage and the other Indian or African heritage? I just don't know a lot about his family background.
39 Eeeee, I love Oliver Platt. He is a good actor who will do Steinbrenner justice and take him beyond a caricature. Who plays Reggie? I would love Trevor Howard or Omar Epps or Mekhi Phifer to play Reggie.
40 It's that Hispanic refers to Latin American people, but they are descendents of people from Spain, and Portugal (in the case of Brazillians).
I think A-Rod's mom was one of those descendents (from the Iberian penninsula) and dad's forebearers were from Africa (but then, all our ancestors were from Africa, if you go back far enough).
I hate race based classifications. Really meaningless.
Well, those census forms always say, "Hispanics may be of any race." ;-)
I don't know much about A-Rod's family, either, but he sure looks biracial.
Not that you can tell all that much by looking at people. One thing that's come out of those DNA tests that are so popular now for genealogy and such...most people have mixed ethnic backgrounds, even when they think they don't. And looks are not a good guide. People who thought they were black find they have no African ancestry at all. People who thought they were pure European find there's a big chunk of African or Asian blood in their family somewhere. I'm tempted to try it myself, just to see if anything interesting shakes out of the woodpile.
Jeter's bi-racial, don't see how that has much bearing. People like to pick on people who react is my best guess.
Terrence Howard would do Reggie the most justice, not because he's the hot name. He's a real talent, no offense to Omar and Mehki. Any other casting ideas?
44 - "I hate race based classifications. Really meaningless."
I certainly agree from an "all men are created equal/before the law" perspective, but there are one or two areas of life (genetic screening for certain diseases, use of some particular medicines) where it can matter.
I would think the important issue here is A-Rod's socioeconomic history - iirc his dad abandoned the family and he had a rough childhood.
54 That is exactly why I named Trevor Howard first. He always stands out in all the roles that he plays. What a talent. The only other actor I would like for the role is Don Cheadle, but he is too old and doesn't have the right physical build. Morris Chestnut is hot, but he is a blah actor.
From Fox Sports:
Although Angels GM Bill Stoneman has not made a splashy trade in his seven seasons as GM, the team is likely to re-open discussions with Baltimore for Miguel Tejada, perhaps re-engage Boston about Manny Ramirez and maybe EVEN TALK to New York about Alex Rodriguez.
I feel for Halladay, and I hope he's not seriously here, but does anyone else feel its a great opportunity for Sheffield to pinch-hit for Guiel and play 1B?
Does anyone see a need for Craig Wilson on the playoff roster? Guiel can play 1B AND the OF, and can hit righties. Lefties, you say? Hopefully that's Bernie's only playoff job.
FWIW from Fox:
Alex Rodriguez said last night that he hadn't read the story yet, but he was unfazed by it. Among the biting SI quotes, Jason Giambi says, "Alex doesn't know who he is. We're going to find out who he is in the next couple of months." "That doesn't bother me at all because I have gotten a lot of support from this team," Rodriguez said before last night's game in Toronto. "This is the most support I have ever got from a team. Jason is a very supportive teammate as well." Giambi reportedly told Joe Torre to "stop coddling" Rodriguez. Giambi denied this last night, but it seemed to be confirmed in the story by Torre, whom, it should be noted, figures to have a strong relationship with the author of the article, Tom Verducci, since they wrote a book together nearly a decade ago.
I'm glad they explained that the Gatorade jug was leaking. They kept showing just the cup, with liquid spurting into it. I was afraid someone was making like Manny, and peeing in a cup.
126 4.1 innings if we lose which doesn't seem to be too bad a proposition if we end up saving bullpen arms. Thought with Joe, you never know if the bullpen arms are ever gonna be okay.
Since race is an artificial contruct I prefer the terms Soledad O'Brienesque or Spumoni (many flavors in one) to 'biracial'. Sal Fasano could single handedly make A-Rod beloved if he only said "nobody cares that A-Rod's Spumoni as long as he hits. Personally I love Spumoni." Then A-Rod could take his place in the pantheon of Yankee greats, DiMaggio, Rizzuto, Billy Martin (born Alfred Manuel Pesano) and the Great Spumoni, the greatest Yankee 3rd baseman of all-time.
Way OT: The casting discussion for the '77 Yanks miniseries led me to stumble across this site a talent management company that offers celeb lookalikes and impersonators. No Yanks, but kinda freaky.
And that explains why Torre relies on Proctor so much this year. He really is having a great season despite the fact that he's topping 80 for game appearances.
182 Actually, if anyone on the Sox were going to be shelled, I wish it would be Foulke or Tavarez or Timlin. Hansen seems like a good kid who was really, really rushed. His confidence has to be killed with the way the Sox have hung him out there.
184 Spoiled, arrogant Yankee fans who think the World Series title is their birthright, let alone the AL East, so this is nothing to get excited about. I hate those bast*rds... ;-)
212, 218 There is absolutely no reason not to celebrate. They won the series with the Jays with two rookies in the past two days. Winning today was to be extra thick icing on the cake. And they know they better watch their diets since they still get a job to finish.
I was wondering why Gardenhire didn't bring in the 2nd best closer in the game with the tying run at the plate in the middle of a pennant race. That's something Torre would certainly have done.
Everyone, I need to go run to dinner. So let me be the first to offer hardy handshakes all around. If Boston comes back, then you can blame me for totally jinxing it.
The lead to NESN's extra innings post-game show is video of champagne flowing in the Yankees' clubhouse, and Caron and Eck are giving the Yankees credit. It just doesn't get better!
302 Giambi is getting a few days off - might as well enjoy himself!
Shoot, with the off day tomorrow, I say they all ought to enjoy themselves. Except Carl Pavano. He doesn't deserve any champagne. At least not the good stuff. A bottle of warm Cold Duck, maybe, but not the good stuff.
305 They're spraying it, pouring it, but not drinking it. I don't know if it's because they don't want to get drunk, or if it's the cheap stuff, and Giambi has low tastes. ;-)
Robby and Melky were standing with their arms around each other, bouncing up and down in tandem, and spraying champagne.
327 Someday, MLB will end these stupid territorial TV rights, and Yankee fans everywhere will just be able to watch it on YES themselves. In the meantime, thanks randym and everyone else for giving a view of the goings-on.
338 MFD My question is: why the F' do we get the Turner Superstation and WGN broadcasts as part of the regular Cable package so I get stuck with the Braves and Cubs but can't get YES. It's Grackel Crap I say. Grackel Crap!
Interviewing Joe now. Thanking George and praising Brian, scouts, and office. Awwww, Joe choking up with tears. LOL! Just saw Sheffield pour champagne on Joe and now Mo. I'm so happy.
344 They showed an interview with Johnny and Kim Jones getting doused on the NESN postgame show...after that, the NESN hosts pretty much dropped their graciousness and said "maybe we'll come back to the Yankee celebration, maybe not". LOL...really Caron and Eckersley are pretty good guys, but you could tell they just didn't want to deal with being reminded of Johnny on the other side rubbing in the Yankees' success in their face.
I think the Unit is sweet on Kim. He's pouring a can of beer over her. She's soaked. Mo looks dry as a bone. She's wondering why she's getting it and he isn't.
Ha - Cano and Melky are absolutely hysterical - they just showed a quick clip of them doing some synchronized celebration dance with everyone else looking on...
Wow, I have seen about 98% of the games this year, and 98% of the pitches in every game (yeah, pathetic I know) and I miss the celebration because of reasons that I can't explain. I am highly annoyed. I hope they replay what every Yankee said, cause dammit I deserve to see it.
411 Thanks Randy. Boy, there is a LOT of tension in the last 10 seconds or so of the footage when A-Rod gets in the picture. Pretty obvious the guys are trying to purposely pour the champagne into his eyes, and then they have the tensest little dance together afterwards, jumping up and down. I'm guessing none of that footage will make espn...
Like SF Yank, I'm out here on the coast in no man's land. Thanks to everyone with YES for keeping the rest of us transplants posted on the festivities.
Some cool post game stuff from Peter Abraham (LoHud), including:
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As the celebration slowed, reliever Kyle Farnsworth took note of the fact that the Red Sox would occupy the same sodden room tomorrow. "The best thing is Boston has to come in here next," he said. "It's the smell of victory they've got to smell. You can print that."
Frankly, that might not be such a bad thing with a travel day tomorrow, particularly when we know that Henn is not going to pitch well as compared to Halladay.
I want the Yanks to win 100 games and to have home field advantage, but I also want them to be fresh. I'd tell Giambi to take the next week off and play Sheff at first.
QUESTION: Does everyone hope that the Yanks get the Paper Tigers or the Twins in Round 1? I'd personally rather have the team with the low OBP, High K'ing offense, young pitchers, and kids who've never been in the playoffs (who the Yanks went 5-2 against) than Johan & Company (who the Yanks went 3-3 against).
Melky Cabrera LF
Robinson Cano 2B
Bobby Abreu RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Hideki Matsui DH
Bernie Williams CF
Aaron Guiel 1B
Miguel Cairo SS
Wil Nieves C
Sean Henn P
2) Yeah, it doesn't look good for the Yankees with Henn going against Halladay, but what you never know.
Reed Johnson LF
Alex Rios RF
Vernon Wells CF
Troy Glaus 3B
Bengie Molina C
Aaron Hill 2B
Lyle Overbay 1B
Jason Phillips DH
John McDonald SS
Roy Halladay P
AROD has read all of the article and has no problems with any of it...
the timing...
and other nonsense...sorry it's just hard to let go of this.
356AB .233/.321/.351
Tony Womack? Nope. Tino's career post-season numbers. A-Rod?
118AB .305/.393/.534
And A-Rod's NEVER had on OB% lower than .378 in any Yankee post season series. Giambi's stats from 2004? He has none. He was left off the roster.
Give us all a break with the A-Rod bashing Tino. And ESPN, please, I beg you, stop mischaracterizing the Verducci piece. You had Verducci on and he said it wasn't a negative piece, and A-Rod said he didn't have a problem with a single word in the SI piece and Giambi's like a brother. So what's the problem?
Going on 15 minutes into Sportscenter - 14 minutes on A-Rod. If you are going to do a story about the story at least get the initial story right. Tony Kornheiser is talking about it and he admitted he hasn't even read it.
I'll let other people who saw it weigh in.
Cano needs 38 more plate appearances to qualify for the batting race, with 11 games left.
If Torre rests Cano for one more game, Cano would need 3 PAs in two games and 4 PAs per game in the other nine games. That should be no problem.
But, if Cano misses 2 games and only plays in seven, he'd need 5 PAs in 2 games and 4 PAs per game in the other 7.
Can't wait until BBTN, maybe Peter Gammons will be the voice of reason.
The Yankees are rumored to have reached an agreement with the Scranton Red Barons, but so far there is no official announcement.
Giambi, Torre, A-Rod all say the right things, yet BBTN is still trying to make out that there are deeper issues.
The Twins 1-0 over Red Sox. Go Twins!
*(not that race has any real meaning, biologically)
34 Race is a social construct!
"OLIVER Platt will have to get a shave and a haircut - he's been cast as George Steinbrenner in the ESPN miniseries of "The Bronx Is Burning," Jonathan Mahler's best seller, subtitled "1977, Baseball, Politics, and the Battle for the Soul of a City." The story sets the Yankees pennant race that summer - capped by Reggie Jackson's three consecutive home runs in Game 6 of the World Series - against the hunt for the Son of Sam killer, a blackout which erupted into full-scale looting and the brutal race for mayor between Ed Koch and Mario Cuomo. Variety reports that John Turturro will play Yankee manager Billy Martin."
34 Trying to be tactful and not use the term, "race," I did a crappy job with my question. Latino usually means people from Latin American heritage. Like you said, they can be from a variety of ethnic backgrounds. I'm not even clear about what the term, "Hispanic" refers to any more. However, like you said, people from Spain are Europeans, but I don't think that they are considered Hispanic.
When A-Rod says that he is biracial what does he mean in terms of his parents? Is one of his parents of European heritage and the other Indian or African heritage? I just don't know a lot about his family background.
I think A-Rod's mom was one of those descendents (from the Iberian penninsula) and dad's forebearers were from Africa (but then, all our ancestors were from Africa, if you go back far enough).
I hate race based classifications. Really meaningless.
My question is why did he say "biracial" in the same sentence as rich, good looking and bright? How is biracial similar to those other adjectives?
I don't know much about A-Rod's family, either, but he sure looks biracial.
Not that you can tell all that much by looking at people. One thing that's come out of those DNA tests that are so popular now for genealogy and such...most people have mixed ethnic backgrounds, even when they think they don't. And looks are not a good guide. People who thought they were black find they have no African ancestry at all. People who thought they were pure European find there's a big chunk of African or Asian blood in their family somewhere. I'm tempted to try it myself, just to see if anything interesting shakes out of the woodpile.
44 Okay, thanks.
I swear I heard that and then dead air for a minute.
41 Looks like Mekhi Phifer is already angling for the role ;-)
http://tinyurl.com/e5n49
Willie Randolph could almost play himself...
Terrence Howard would do Reggie the most justice, not because he's the hot name. He's a real talent, no offense to Omar and Mehki. Any other casting ideas?
I certainly agree from an "all men are created equal/before the law" perspective, but there are one or two areas of life (genetic screening for certain diseases, use of some particular medicines) where it can matter.
I would think the important issue here is A-Rod's socioeconomic history - iirc his dad abandoned the family and he had a rough childhood.
Anyway, the post-season can't come soon enough.
And in 63, I kinda meant can't...
Although Angels GM Bill Stoneman has not made a splashy trade in his seven seasons as GM, the team is likely to re-open discussions with Baltimore for Miguel Tejada, perhaps re-engage Boston about Manny Ramirez and maybe EVEN TALK to New York about Alex Rodriguez.
Uh-oh, what's up with Halliday? Did anyone see it?
70 Someone tell FOX that the Yankees are not trading A-Rod.
Please tell your producers and your shadow warrior Steve Phillips to have a nice cup of STFU, Banter Brand.
Sincerely, BB
(Kaye was just talking about Abreu feeling that if the Phillies didn't win it was his fault, but he doesn't feel that pressure here.)
Reflexive action on my part.
So of course, it's Bruney warming now...
That being said, I see EDSMHP pitching within the hour.
I think they want to rest Bruney.
And while I type that, Bruney's up.
Alex Rodriguez said last night that he hadn't read the story yet, but he was unfazed by it. Among the biting SI quotes, Jason Giambi says, "Alex doesn't know who he is. We're going to find out who he is in the next couple of months." "That doesn't bother me at all because I have gotten a lot of support from this team," Rodriguez said before last night's game in Toronto. "This is the most support I have ever got from a team. Jason is a very supportive teammate as well." Giambi reportedly told Joe Torre to "stop coddling" Rodriguez. Giambi denied this last night, but it seemed to be confirmed in the story by Torre, whom, it should be noted, figures to have a strong relationship with the author of the article, Tom Verducci, since they wrote a book together nearly a decade ago.
Posted September 20, by Ben Maller
Though I gotta said, I never had much confidence in him, even when he was healthy.
Halladay left due to an injured arm. That doesn't sound good, I hope he's ok.
I think I'll shut the computer down for the night.
Bernie from the right side is a beautiful thing.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/doteloc01.shtml
http://www.lookalike.com/lookalikes.htm
Thank you in advance, Ken.
175 Wouldn't we be more surprised if we don't see EDSP?
Oh wait. Proctor, duh.
185 Definitely creepy as hell.
Does anyone think the Yanks will celebrate as soon as they find out in the clubhouse, or wait until their next win?
Though I'll take it...
248 I hope so. I'd be more than ok if Jeter gets MVP and Cano gets batting title.
See: Columbus Clippers
Sheffield at 1B. ;-)
Mauer .344
Cap'n .339
Cano .339
Oh, I'm rooting for the Tigers to win their division.
2 outs to go...
276 Enjoy the celebration and the pops!
Thanks, Twins. 9 division titles in a row - woo-hoo!
To a unbelieveable division crown and yet more legendary feats to be witnessed in the post season!
Bottoms up!
Now let's get the homefield, hope and pray everyone stays healthy, and give 'em hell!
Let's go, Yank-ees!
Shoot, with the off day tomorrow, I say they all ought to enjoy themselves. Except Carl Pavano. He doesn't deserve any champagne. At least not the good stuff. A bottle of warm Cold Duck, maybe, but not the good stuff.
314 No problem. You should consider using Mozilla Firefox which is a more efficient browser with more security.
They look happy, right?
Robby and Melky were standing with their arms around each other, bouncing up and down in tandem, and spraying champagne.
Stupid ESPN: the Yankees clinching the division in an awkward way. Screw you. Haters.
Can ESPN please give the A-Rod story a rest and show the celebration?
And now Mo's doing it.
330 Yea! It'd be so nice to see Cano and Melky ten years later like Jeter and Jorge now.
http://tinyurl.com/qku47
337 You are probably right. LOL!
Johnny D in the playoffs while the Red Sox watch him at home. I love it.
And thanks to all Banter mates for sharing this season together. I am sure we will have some excellent moments in the next 1.5 months to come.
http://tinyurl.com/nso48
I must say, Jeter looks ten years younger now. He looks like he's 22 again.
355 I keep telling myself that he is 22, so he has another 15 years to play.
Jeter: "Well we've hugged before, we've been together a while."
Now stupid Bob Lorenz commented on it too.
I think they're going to be showing that Jeter/A-Rod hug a lot. They're making a big deal about it.
Oh, well. It will give the "Chokeback Yankees" people more material. ;-)
381 It's really great for him, and he really deserves to be in the playoffs. He finally gets his chance.
I think they'll post video on MLB.com. They did last year.
ESPNNews showing the Mariano interview now...
Mo is being interviewing now. He thinks about winning. This is all so great.
I haven't seen Matsui at all, but I see tons of Japanese media in the background hunting for him...
http://www.yesnetwork.com/index.jsp
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As the celebration slowed, reliever Kyle Farnsworth took note of the fact that the Red Sox would occupy the same sodden room tomorrow. "The best thing is Boston has to come in here next," he said. "It's the smell of victory they've got to smell. You can print that."
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