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Tampa Bay Devil Rays
2006-09-12 11:41
by Cliff Corcoran
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For several seasons now, the buzz around the Tampa Bay Devil Rays has been their crop of young talent that has been bubbling just below the major league surface. One can trace it all the way back to 2002 when 20-year-old Carl Crawford made his major league debut and 25-year-old Aubrey Huff hit .313/.364/.520 with 23 homers. The next year, Huff hit 34 dingers and drove in 107 runs, Crawford played his first full season, stealing 55 bases, and 21-year-old Rocco Baldelli finished third in the Rookie of the Year voting. Meanwhile, the 2002 draft brought Jonny Gomes, who made his debut the next year, B.J. Upton, Elijah Dukes and Jason Hammel, and 2003 added Dmitri Young's little brother Delmon. Upton made his major league debut in 2004 and at that year's trading deadline the Devil Rays swiped 20-year-old lefty phenom Scott Kazmir from the Mets for Victor Zambrano and Bartolome Fortunato.

Still, the Devil Rays' bright future seemed perpetually over the horizon. That is until this year's trading deadline. On July 12 they traded the now 29-year-old Huff, whose production had been in steady decline since his break-out 2003 season, to the Astros, getting pitcher Mitch Talbot and 25-year-old shortstop Ben Zobrist in return, clearing room for the relocated shortstop Upton at third base in the process. At the deadline, just after their last series with the Yankees, they traded 30-year-old shortstop Julio Lugo to the Dodgers, clearing space for Zobrist. In late August, they sent three-true-outcomes hero Russell Branyan to the Padres, clearing room for Delmon Young in right field. They also recalled failed 25-year-old fireballing starter Seth McClung and made him the team's closer, while recalling starters Hammel and J.P Howell, acquired earlier in the year from the Royals for no-hit speedster Joey Gathright, and installed them in the rotation beside fellow rookie Jamie Shields.

At long last, the Tampa Bay youth movement has begun in earnest. Should Elijah Dukes win the first base job out of camp next year, something the Devil Rays cleared room for by releasing Travis Lee on Sunday, the D-Rays could have a 2007 opening day line-up whose oldest member is 26-year-old DH Jonny Gomes. Dig (with ages and 2006 stats):

1B - Elijah Dukes, 22, AAA: .293/.401/.488
2B - Jorge Cantu, 25, MLB: .247/.293/.408
SS - Ben Zobrist, 25, AAA: .323/.428/.456
3B - B.J. Upton, 22, AAA: .269/.374/.394
C - Dioner Navarro, 23, MLB: .257/.340/.367
RF - Delmon Young, 21, AAA: .316/.341/.474
CF - Rocco Baldelli, 25, MLB: .308/.344/.509
LF - Carl Crawford, 25, MLB: .305/.349/.479
DH - Jonny Gomes, 26, MLB: .216/.325/.431

SP - Scott Kazmir, 23, MLB: 3.24, 10-8, 144 2/3 IP, 132 H, 52 BB, 163 K

Gomes, who is on the DL due to season-ending shoulder surgery, is a good bet to revert back to his 2005 form (.282/.372/.534) in 2007, which leaves just Cantu, who slugged .497 in his first full season last year, and Upton, who hit .303/.392/.490 at triple-A Durham last year, who will need to shape up at the plate, assuming, of course, that Young, Dukes and Zobrist will continue to hit in the majors.

Indeed, the future looks bright in Tampa Bay, but unlike the Indians, who have undergone a post-contention surge due to their own infusion of youth--players such as Ryan Garko, Jeremy Sowers, and Tom Mastny--the Devil Rays have yet to enjoy the on-field results. The D-Rays have played .500 ball since the last day of August, but that was preceded by a six-game losing streak and the only series they've won since the trading deadline have come against the freefalling Red Sox, the Rangers and the Mariners, the last of whom also swept them in that span.

Part of the reason is that Gomes and Kazmir are on the DL and Upton and Zobrist have yet to start hitting. Meanwhile 25-or-younger hurlers Jason Hammel, Jamie Shields and lefty J.P. Howell have been something short of a revelation and, while Seth McClung is six-for-six in save opportunities and has 3.34 ERA since the beginning of August, he's also walked 15 men in his 16 2/3 innings over that span, one more than he's struck out.

Tonight the Rays send 28-year-old Tim Corcoran to the hill in the Bronx. Corcoran last started against the Yankees in New York and was lit up for five runs (three earned) on seven hits and a staggering six walks in just 3 1/3 innings. While his starts since then have been something of a mixed bag, he hasn't won since doing so in relief against the Yankees back on July 9.

The Yankees are countering with Mike Mussina, who will be pitching on six days rest after complaining of shoulder soreness after his first post-DL start in Kansas City a week ago. Moose pitched five tentative innings in that start, allowing four runs on eight hits and a walk. Mussina leads a brigade of returning Yankees, the most notable of whom is Hideki Matsui, who will be activated for tonight's game and is expected to start at DH. Jason Giambi, who received another cortisone shot in his left wrist in Baltimore, is expected to start at first base. Meanwhile, Gary Sheffield has been cleared to take live batting practice and, for those who missed it, Miguel Cairo was activated before last night's game, which also saw Alex Rodriguez make a triumphant return to the line-up. Completing the injury report, Mariano Rivera will again throw off flat ground tomorrow in the hope of working off a mound over the weekend and returning to action next week.

Of course, tonight it will be all-eyes on Matsui, who Will Carroll reports showed "some lingering effects of the wrist fracture, such as a noticeable loss of bat control and power" while rehabbing in Trenton, but adds that the Yankees are unconcerned and hope to allow Matsui to get his swing back by starting 4 or 5 games a week at DH over the remainder of the season. As we saw earlier this season when Derrek Lee came back early from a similar injury and hit .227/.326/.320 over 20 games, wrist injuries are hell on hitters, resulting in exactly the short of loss of power and control that Carroll reports. That said, Matsui's dedication to staying in shape while on the DL has been tremendous. If he is unable to recover his full abilities before the end of the season, it is through no fault of his own. Meanwhile Lee's second come back (.370/.388/.652 over 13 games thus far) bodes well for a complete return to form for Hideki in 2007.

Tampa Bay Devil Rays

2006 Record: 57-86 (.398)
2006 Pythagorean Record: 57-86 (.402)

Manager: Joe Maddon
General Manager: Andrew Friedman

Home Ballpark (2005 Park Factors): Tropicana Field (99/99)

Who's Replaced Whom?

  • B.J. Upton (minors) replaced Travis Lee
  • Ben Zobrist (minors) replaced Julio Lugo
  • Delmon Young (minors) replaced Jonny Gomes (DL)
  • Kevin Witt (minors) replaced Russell Branyan
  • Jason Hammel (minors) replaced Scott Kazmir (DL)
  • Seth McClung (minors) replaced Travis Harper (DL)
  • J.P. Howell (minors) replaced Chad Harville
  • Dan Miceli (minors) replaced Edwin Jackson, who has since been recalled
  • Chad Orvella (minors) occupies an extra roster spot
  • Shawn Riggans, Brian Stokes and Juan Salas are September call-ups

Current Roster

1B – Ty Wigginton (R)
2B – Jorge Cantu (R)
SS – Ben Zobrist (S)
3B – B.J. Upton (R)
C – Dioner Navarro (S)
RF – Delmon Young (R)
CF – Rocco Baldelli (L)
LF – Carl Crawford (L)
DH – Greg Norton (S)


R – Damon Hollins (OF)
S – Tomas Perez (IF)
L - Kevin Witt (1B)
R – Josh Paul (C)
R - Shawn Riggans (C)*


R – Jae Weong Seo
L – Casey Fossum
R – Tim Corcoran
R - Jason Hammel
R – Jamie Shields
L - J.P. Howell


R - Seth McClung
R – Brian Meadows
R – Shawn Camp
L – Ruddy Lugo
L – Jon Switzer
R – Dan Miceli
R - Chad Orvella
R – Edwin Jackson*
R - Brian Stokes*
R - Juan Salas*

15-day DL: L – Scott Kazmir, R - Jonny Gomes (OF), R – Travis Harper
60-day DL: R – Shinji Mori, R – Tyler Walker

*September call-ups

Typical Lineup

R - Rocco Baldelli (CF)
R - Delmon Young (RF)
L - Carl Crawford (LF)
S - Greg Norton (DH)
R - Ty Wigginton (1B)
S - Dioner Navarro (C)
R - Jorge Cantu (2B)
R - B.J. Upton (3B)
S - Ben Zobrist (SS)

Comments (343)
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2006-09-12 13:41:34
1.   unmoderated
it seems like forever since we've played the rays. i'm excited to see some of these young kids...

...and to see our man godzilla back in action.

2006-09-12 13:47:57
2.   mehmattski
I really hope the new front office splurges on starting pitching in the coming years, and the team becomes competitive. I would hate to see them waste the prime of players like Crawford and Baldelli.

In other news, my company has decided to (like, during this work day) block anything related to I am pissed.

"He picks up a bus and he throws it back down
Wades through the buildings to the center of town
Ohhhh no, they say he's got to go
Oh no Godzilla!
Ohhhh no.... There goes Tokyo....
Oh no Godzilla!"

2006-09-12 13:52:55
3.   standuptriple
1 I agree, the youth movement should at the very least be more interesting than what they put on the field last time. Here's to Moose using his wily-ness to keep them off balance.
2006-09-12 14:10:51
4.   randym77
The Marlins are the Florida youth movement that's amazing me this year. They spanked the Mets yesterday.

And Mike Celizic says Big Papi's got a case of sour grapes:

2006-09-12 14:34:26
5.   jonnystrongleg
Yanks had 8 clear "starters" in the lineup to begin this year (no clear DH). The Yanks have played 142 games. Out of the 1136 games these 8 guys could have played, they played 826 of them. The Red Sox also had 8 clear starters, with a platoon at SS. They have played 143 games. Out of the 1144 games these guys could have played, they played 953 of them.

Damn, if that doesn't say it all about this team's amazing season. Hope they finish in style starting tonight.

2006-09-12 14:52:14
6.   randym77
Cairo's back. And he's in the lineup...

Johnny Damon CF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Jason Giambi 1B
Jorge Posada C
Miguel Cairo 2B
Hideki Matsui DH
Melky Cabrera LF

2006-09-12 14:57:08
7.   Levy2020
Why would you bat Cairo before Melky?
2006-09-12 14:58:03
8.   Jeteupthemiddle
He's in the lineup and batting ahead of Matsui and Melky?



2006-09-12 14:58:18
9.   yankz
7 And I'd bet money that a recovering Matsui could outhit Cairo.
2006-09-12 15:07:27
10.   standuptriple
So, I guess Joe doesn't want Cano to contend for the batting title. I'd rather have him 100% in the playoffs anyways. I wonder if his arb #'s played a factor?
2006-09-12 15:09:36
11.   randym77
Weird. Some sources are showing Cano, some are showing Cairo. A last minute lineup change?

Not sure which is correct...

2006-09-12 15:11:25
12.   mikeplugh
Batting Cairo anywhere besides 10th makes no sense.
2006-09-12 15:11:56
13.   randym77
Well, YES is showing Cano.
2006-09-12 15:13:25
14.   yankz
12 Hilarious and true.
2006-09-12 15:16:02
15.   standuptriple
14 Yeah, because Cairo's numbers are way better than Cano's.
2006-09-12 15:28:22
16.   tocho
Interesting that A-Rod is back in the 4th. spot and Giambi in the 5th. I like it.

Gameday is showing Cano

2006-09-12 15:35:27
17.   randym77
Arrghhh. I wish they would quit showing that video clip of Matsui breaking his wrist. Again and again and again. Enough, already.
2006-09-12 15:38:41
18.   C2Coke
Quite frankly, I am just very happy to see Matsui back in the lineup. I don't really care whether Cano or Cairo is playing. The lineup order is only for the day anyway. Maybe tomorrow he will be in front of Jorge.
2006-09-12 15:40:23
19.   C2Coke
17 I know what you mean. It's sickening to see that image yet again now. They should have showed images of Matsui in his Trenton uniform and Yankees helmet...
2006-09-12 15:43:19
20.   David
Cano has 431 plate appearances. He needs 71 to reach 502. The Yanks have 20 games left. If Cano plays in 18 games and gets 4 PAs per game, he would wind up with 503, thus qualifying for the batting championship. So, Torre can afford to rest Cano in 2 games, but that's cutting things mighty close.
2006-09-12 15:43:52
21.   randym77
They said Sheff might be activated during this homestand. I have to say, I didn't think he'd be back so soon.
2006-09-12 15:48:29
22.   JL25and3
Well, it's true that Cano gets on base much better than Cairo, hits for a lot more power, runs better, fields at least as well, and has a better arm.

But Cairo's got a belly full of guts.

2006-09-12 15:49:24
23.   C2Coke
21 I think Peter Abraham mentioned something about Sheff being activated in the next few days as well. There was a point of which most of us didn't think either Matsui or Sheff was gonna be back this year.
2006-09-12 15:50:38
24.   yankz
A lot of the DRays are hot this month, and Moose is just coming back. I don't see this game being a walk.
2006-09-12 15:58:51
25.   mikeplugh
22 My favorite Torre quote ever, and one of the things wrong with baseball evaluation by old guys.
2006-09-12 16:01:22
26.   Alex Belth
Really good preview, Cliff. Excellent read. I especially liked the way you characterized Matusi's season. Very well put.

G'bombee and Godziller back on the same night? Go Yanks!

2006-09-12 16:02:13
27.   mikeplugh

Melky is ass out. Sheff has to play the outfield if Matsui is the DH, and Giambi plays 1B. Joe has already pledged that Matsui is only the DH. What happens?

2006-09-12 16:05:11
28.   kylepetterson
27 Whatever happens, it would be upsetting to see Melky benched. Although we would have one of, if not the best 4th outfielder around. Goodnight GOB.
2006-09-12 16:05:42
29.   kylepetterson
28 "Goodnight GOB"

A man can dream, can't he?

2006-09-12 16:10:46
30.   wsporter
6 Gameday has Robby at 2nd. That is a nice looking nine! Are they wrong?
2006-09-12 16:13:58
31.   randym77
30 No, it's Cano. I think there was a last minute lineup change. Maybe Torre forgot about the batting title.
2006-09-12 16:16:13
32.   wsporter
31 Anyway it went down it's a good looking lineup! :-)
2006-09-12 16:16:51
33.   yankz
Boo ya, Go Moose!
2006-09-12 16:25:00
34.   randym77
Well, I guess Abreu's out of his slump...
2006-09-12 16:25:08
35.   yankz
Oh HELL yes
2006-09-12 16:25:08
36.   C2Coke
1 Pitch, 3 runs.
2006-09-12 16:25:08
37.   kylepetterson
Is that his first Yankee HR?
2006-09-12 16:25:51
38.   C2Coke
37 No, third or fourth.
2006-09-12 16:25:59
39.   kylepetterson
NICE! 3 comments at the exact time!
2006-09-12 16:26:12
40.   wsporter
Man was he sitting red or what? Ouch!
2006-09-12 16:26:21
41.   randym77
37 Yes, according to the YES announcers.
2006-09-12 16:26:23
42.   Simone
Very nice, Bobby.
2006-09-12 16:26:52
43.   C2Coke
We may be seeing Matsui early today!
2006-09-12 16:26:58
44.   David
I believe it's Abreu's 3rd Yankee HR.
2006-09-12 16:29:08
45.   C2Coke
41 YES also showed that it was his third. The Yanks know the fans can't wait to see Matsui on the plate.
2006-09-12 16:29:28
46.   randym77
Sorry, I thought you meant at Yankee Stadium. It was his first homer at Yankee Stadium.

He's had one at Chicago and one at Seattle since becoming a Yankee.

2006-09-12 16:30:09
47.   rbj
2006-09-12 16:30:30
48.   C2Coke
Jorge is hot.
2006-09-12 16:30:48
49.   randym77
Someone should have gotten that ball, with the speed they have in the OF.
2006-09-12 16:31:10
50.   wsporter
Alphonse and Gastone. They should have had that.
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2006-09-12 16:31:42
51.   Simone
You have to tell us how the fans react to Matsui coming up to bat. I'm home and I'm excited.
2006-09-12 16:32:13
52.   C2Coke
49, 50 Let's just say Damon or Melky would've caught it.

The crowd is LOUD.

2006-09-12 16:32:21
53.   randym77
The crowd is going nuts. Hideki's getting a standing ovation.
2006-09-12 16:32:22
54.   David
It's good that Matsui will be batting against someone who's pitching batting practice. :)
2006-09-12 16:32:30
55.   C2Coke
Matsui tipped his helmet.
2006-09-12 16:32:44
56.   wsporter
My son is standing and clapping in the living room, this is very cool.
2006-09-12 16:32:49
57.   rbj
What a great reception for Godzilla.
2006-09-12 16:33:36
58.   Simone
Thanks guys. Nice that the fans are giving Matsui-san some love. He has been missed.
2006-09-12 16:34:09
59.   rbj
Yes, rbi single for Hideki!
2006-09-12 16:34:34
60.   randym77
Tampa's bullpen is getting busy...
2006-09-12 16:34:35
61.   Simone
Yeah, Matsui-san delivers! Love that guy.
2006-09-12 16:34:36
62.   C2Coke
Base hit from Matsui!

Bullpen warming.

2006-09-12 16:34:45
63.   wsporter
How cool is that?
2006-09-12 16:35:36
64.   randym77
And Corcoran's gone. Here comes Stokes.
2006-09-12 16:35:47
65.   C2Coke
SP for Rays is out. Matsui now looks much more relaxed.

Welcome back, Godzilla.

2006-09-12 16:35:55
66.   rbj
Gotta feel a little sorry for Corcoran. 5ER - so far - in 0.1 IP.
2006-09-12 16:36:12
67.   3rd gen yankee fan
I came in just in time! Yay for Godzilla.
2006-09-12 16:37:32
68.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Yanks show no love whatsoever for Cliff's cousin Tim. It's a blot on the family honor I'd say.
2006-09-12 16:38:47
69.   C2Coke
Damon again in literally 15 minutes.
2006-09-12 16:40:26
70.   Simone
Damn, the whole lineup has gone through this inning.
2006-09-12 16:40:43
71.   C2Coke
MVP chants super loud and clear.
2006-09-12 16:42:35
72.   C2Coke
Cap'n doesn't even get to hit.
2006-09-12 16:43:48
73.   Simone
What is this a conspiracy to break Jeter's hit streak by walking him? Ha.
2006-09-12 16:46:01
74.   C2Coke
Abreu is having a superb inning.
2006-09-12 16:46:01
75.   rbj
What a nice weekend Abreu's had in the first inning. 6 rbis, HR & 2B.
2006-09-12 16:46:19
76.   JL25and3
Nice inning for my man Donuts.
2006-09-12 16:46:45
77.   randym77
Crawford looked really bad on that play. Jeez, I remember the Rays as having great defense in the OF, but they look pretty sad tonight.
2006-09-12 16:47:08
78.   Simone
Okay, this is just wrong, yet enjoyable.
2006-09-12 16:49:56
79.   Comrade Al
Carl Crawford doing his best "Jim Leyritz in the outfield" impression. It's contagious!
2006-09-12 16:53:19
80.   LI yankee
Just got here,
Apparently I didn't miss much.
2006-09-12 16:55:17
81.   rbj
80 Neither did the Yankee bats.
2006-09-12 16:58:59
82.   AbbyNormal821
Damn my job & damn the Long Island Railroad!!! I miss the 1st 40 minutes of the game because I'm on a train from Lindenhurst back to Queens and here the score is 9-0!!! WHAT THE HELL HAPPPENED??? DANG! I must check the 1st inning on Game Day! HOLY CRAP!
2006-09-12 16:59:49
83.   RIYank
Me too (just got here), but I was listening.
You'd have to consider this a good line-up. I mean, even if they don't get on base for the rest of the game.
2006-09-12 17:02:27
84.   marc
this game is like a nice dream. 9-0, Hideki returns and gets an RBI single. As long as it doesn't turn into an unexpected nightmare it's about as good as it gets after a couple of innings
2006-09-12 17:07:26
85.   LI yankee
Moose made Cantu and Upton look very foolish
2006-09-12 17:08:20
86.   3rd gen yankee fan
You beat me to it. Moose is lookin good, and no one mentioned it yet.
2006-09-12 17:09:57
87.   rbj
86 Not gonna mention anything.
2006-09-12 17:11:10
88.   rbj
Double A Portland SeaDogs had better success against Matsui than the Devil Rays have.
2006-09-12 17:11:15
89.   LI yankee
Oh how much I've missed that bat flip
2006-09-12 17:12:01
90.   AbbyNormal821
I am so stupidly giddy over Matsui being back! Godzilla lookin' good!!!
2006-09-12 17:13:02
91.   wsporter
Take that Will Carrol.
2006-09-12 17:14:27
92.   3rd gen yankee fan
87 Oops, did I miss one of your posts? Sorry, I'm sleepy.
2006-09-12 17:16:14
93.   3rd gen yankee fan
M V P!
2006-09-12 17:16:48
94.   C2Coke
There's definitely a conspiracy, Simone 73.
2006-09-12 17:18:07
95.   yankz
73 I believe if he walks every at-bat, the streak is still alive.
2006-09-12 17:19:09
96.   yankz
Is Jeter OK?
2006-09-12 17:19:23
97.   rbj
Only one rbi, Bobby?
2006-09-12 17:20:06
98.   C2Coke
7 RBI is a career high for Abreu.
2006-09-12 17:20:23
99.   rbj
92 It's still early, but look at the line score.
2006-09-12 17:20:34
100.   RIYank
Good work, Bobby, we needed that insurance run. Double digits, safe for TJ or anybody.

95 That's right, technically!

But let's face it, what we're interested in is the batting average. And it's a shame to have Jeter miss the chance to fatten up the avg on these pitchers.

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2006-09-12 17:20:55
101.   C2Coke
96 He's definitely hurt but not injured.
2006-09-12 17:22:02
102.   yankz
100 Although, it wasn't true back in '41. DiMaggio's streak would've been snapped if some a*hole had walked him every time.
2006-09-12 17:22:25
103.   C2Coke
This is gonna be a long night.
2006-09-12 17:22:50
104.   RIYank
Whew, eleven, now it's safe.
2006-09-12 17:23:20
105.   RIYank
Okay, whew. Now it's a twelve run lead. Now I feel safe.
2006-09-12 17:23:34
106.   yankz
24 I feel like an idiot.
2006-09-12 17:23:53
107.   C2Coke
Make that 12.
2006-09-12 17:24:00
108.   yankz
Is Proctor warming yet?
2006-09-12 17:24:06
109.   AbbyNormal821
...ironically enough - this morning on YES -they showed the game from last year against Tampa Bay where the Yanks came back from the 10-run deficit to win 20-11!!!
2006-09-12 17:24:17
110.   smingers
What are the chances we still see Proctor in this game? 50 percent? 75 percent?
2006-09-12 17:24:24
111.   rbj
102 Didn't some a-hole do something like that, got DiMaggio out the first time, then walked him everytime, until Joe reached out and got a hit?
2006-09-12 17:25:10
112.   C2Coke
106 The way the Yanks are playing, don't be. Much better to be wrong than right.
2006-09-12 17:25:22
113.   RIYank
Men left on base. Not upsetting. Why is that?
2006-09-12 17:26:02
114.   AbbyNormal821
110 i will personally hop on a subway from Queens and go up to the Stadium and punch Torre in the kisser if he brings Proctor in tonight.
2006-09-12 17:27:09
115.   C2Coke
109 They scored 13 in the 8th inning. That was a heck of a night.

110 Too early to say, ask it again in three innings.

2006-09-12 17:27:14
116.   LI yankee
Lost in all the chaos is that Giambi is hitting again
2006-09-12 17:27:56
117.   RIYank
109 Hmmm, but now our lead is twelve.
Did I mention how safe I feel?
2006-09-12 17:28:44
118.   rbj
damn, there goes the nohitter.
2006-09-12 17:28:50
119.   yankz
111 Yup, Johnny Babich tried to do that, I forget the pitcher's name. The Clipper ripped one straight back up the middle, almost castrating the pitcher in the process.

"In the fourth, after Babich threw three wide fastballs, DiMaggio glanced at Third Base Coach Art Fletcher. 'McCarthy had given him the hit sign, ' Joe recalls. 'The next pitch was outside, but I caught it good and lined it between Babich's legs into center field. After I made my turn at first, I looked over at him. His face was white as a sheet.' "

2006-09-12 17:28:58
120.   rilkefan
116 - all the Yankee batters have hits... except for Jeter.
2006-09-12 17:29:07
121.   RIYank
Ah, that's that.
Moose will have other chances. Maybe against the Red Sox this coming weekend?
2006-09-12 17:29:10
122.   3rd gen yankee fan
92 Ah yes. I certainly wasn't going to mention that.
2006-09-12 17:29:43
123.   C2Coke
Is it possible to get Sheff some practice today? At this rate, Cairo is most likely coming in later.
2006-09-12 17:30:09
124.   yankz
The first sentence of 119 makes no sense, sorry. I've got to use this edit thing more.
2006-09-12 17:30:29
125.   JeremyM
Geez, not one second after I notice Mussina has no hits, he gives one up. Brain, I'm going to poke you with a Q-Tip!
2006-09-12 17:31:01
126.   RIYank
Moose still pitching great, anyway.

Ortiz batting, no score, two on and two out in the fifth...

2006-09-12 17:31:41
127.   JeremyM
123 Was Sheffield activated? I don't think he was. How has Matsui looked? Gameday said the first hit was a soft liner to center.
2006-09-12 17:32:07
128.   yankz
Mauer BB too, he's still at .350.
2006-09-12 17:32:17
129.   rbj
119 Thanks. I didn't realize The Clipper used Babich as a croquet wicket.
2006-09-12 17:34:12
130.   RIYank
Ortiz clutch walk. Loaded for Manny.
2006-09-12 17:34:24
131.   randym77
Sheff has not been activated yet. They said maybe sometime this week.
2006-09-12 17:34:27
132.   LI yankee
I'm kinda glad he lost it. There's no need for him to go deep in the ballgame with this lead.
2006-09-12 17:34:41
133.   RIYank
No, Manny's not playing. Loaded for Pena.
2006-09-12 17:35:13
134.   C2Coke
127 Matsui looked good enough, probably a lot better than most of us expected.

And you are right, Sheff is yet to be activated. I just forgot about it since he's all dressed in uniform and hanging on the fence looking ready to come it any time.

2006-09-12 17:35:32
135.   marc
I'm sorta glad Moose gave up a hit. With this ridiculous lead It's better he doesn't have some reason to have to go maybe all game instead of resting at the appropriate time
2006-09-12 17:35:36
136.   yankz
129 Haha! That's what he let's see Jeter do the same.

DiMaggio's streak is by far my favorite record in sports (other than 26, of course), I've read a ton about it, and would be really disappointed if someone broke it. With Jeter, however...I might make an exception.

2006-09-12 17:36:05
137.   RIYank
Wily Mo strikes out quickly, Sox leave 'em loaded.
2006-09-12 17:36:06
138.   randym77
The Yanks called up a bunch of kids from Trenton. They aren't going to activate them, just let them see what it's like in the Big Show. They showed Hughes sitting in the dugout.
2006-09-12 17:36:14
139.   rbj
Couple more innings and Fasano should come in, spell Jorge a bit.
2006-09-12 17:37:30
140.   RIYank
MONSTERous night!
2006-09-12 17:37:49
141.   kylepetterson
3 for 3
2006-09-12 17:38:29
142.   yankz
Somebody stop him!
2006-09-12 17:38:44
143.   wsporter
OK that's just nuts. ZILA!!!!!
2006-09-12 17:38:55
144.   C2Coke
127 I am guessing that 3 for also answered your question.
2006-09-12 17:38:59
145.   Simone
Matsui making up for lost time. Love it!
2006-09-12 17:39:00
146.   yankz
Poor Juan Salas, he of the 13.50 ERA.
2006-09-12 17:39:10
147.   rilkefan
Matsui wants the batting title too.
2006-09-12 17:40:29
148.   JeremyM
144 Yes, you have that right. Man, having an effective Matsui back has me drooling. Dare I even dream of Sheffield having anything to offer? And Giambi is hitting again too. Now we just need Mo to heal up and Unit to turn 30 again.
2006-09-12 17:40:39
149.   yankz
147 At this rate he'll qualify.
2006-09-12 17:40:43
150.   C2Coke
That big bunch of guys on the bench were all laughing in disbelieve after Godzilla's 3rd hit tonight.
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2006-09-12 17:40:54
151.   LI yankee
So if Jeter is hypothetically pulled before his next at bat, his streak lives?
2006-09-12 17:42:11
152.   marc
127 I've been thinking and occasionally saying for a while that I think Matsui is gonna have a big impact down the stretch. Now that we have the division all but clinched I guess the big impact will hopefully be in the post season. Another hit, the Japanese press and fans in Japan must be going berserk. Hmm, what's the record for most consecutive hits
2006-09-12 17:42:13
153.   wsporter
This is probably stating the obvious but pitching to this lineup is not going to fun for anyone.
2006-09-12 17:42:41
154.   3rd gen yankee fan
M V P!

153 I think that was the plan.

2006-09-12 17:44:30
155.   yankz
FU Salas
2006-09-12 17:44:57
156.   C2Coke
151 He's walked again. Abreu with base loaded again.
2006-09-12 17:45:03
157.   RIYank
Definite conspiracy.
2006-09-12 17:45:43
158.   LI yankee
Damnit, Jeter may only get one more at-bat.
2006-09-12 17:45:47
159.   yankz
Silver lining: With 3 BB, Jeter's OPS is now .915.
2006-09-12 17:46:30
160.   rbj
Aw, durn.
2006-09-12 17:46:38
161.   3rd gen yankee fan
Ok this is too weird, four walks for Jeter and Abreu getting all the RBI chances???
2006-09-12 17:46:52
162.   marc
2006-09-12 17:46:54
163.   C2Coke
So close.
2006-09-12 17:47:01
164.   David
Does Torre know that he could pinch hit for Jeter before his next at bat and continue the hit streak? Given the score, it would be reasonable to put Cairo in and let Jeter rest a bit.
2006-09-12 17:47:03
165.   LI yankee
WOW can't get closer than that
2006-09-12 17:47:14
166.   RIYank
Abreu about a yard from a granny. That would have been cool, double-digit RBI.
2006-09-12 17:47:18
167.   yankz
It might be a good idea for Torre to take Jeter out. It would rest him and keep the streak alive. It certainly doesn't look like they'll need his bat again. Although, I think that would cheapen the streak somewhat.

Although, if what we know about Jeter is true, I doubt he'd let Torre take him out of a game just to protect the streak.

2006-09-12 17:48:18
168.   Comrade Al
Missed it by THAT much!
2006-09-12 17:49:48
169.   C2Coke
167 Streak? What streak? According to Jeter's interviews, he doesn't pay attention to that.

Tigers lost to Twins again.

2006-09-12 17:49:58
170.   yankz
168 Who are you quoting? I recognize that phrase from MLB 98 for the PlayStation...
2006-09-12 17:50:25
171.   seamus
the controversy would be unreal if Torre pulled Jeter and he ended up with a real long streak. Let him hit.
2006-09-12 17:50:36
172.   LI yankee
169 Didn't the Tigers and Twins end the series last night?
2006-09-12 17:50:57
173.   yankz
169 What day? Tigers are tied vs. Texas right now, and Minnesota trails Oakland...
2006-09-12 17:51:49
174.   yankz
171 OTOH, is it really fair to give Jeter one shot at extending the streak? (Just trying to give an opposing viewpoint, I'm probably on your side.)
2006-09-12 17:52:54
175.   RIYank
170 Maxwell Smart? I think.

I seriously don't think Jeter cares about the streak.

2006-09-12 17:53:34
176.   C2Coke
172, 173 I was being mislead by the YES guys, and you know, with all this chaos today. I apologize.
2006-09-12 17:54:00
177.   rbj
Cantu cannot (yeah, I'm sure that is sooo original)
2006-09-12 17:55:07
178.   C2Coke
175 I think Jeter does, he just would never ever say or even show it. That said, he probably would rather try it today than be pulled so he can continue tomorrow.
2006-09-12 17:55:41
179.   LI yankee
175 Yeah it would require him thinking about it during the whole offseason if he extended it to the end of the season.
2006-09-12 17:55:49
180.   rbj
OK, if this score holds, Octavio Dotel has to come into this game, or else just send him home.
2006-09-12 17:56:32
181.   3rd gen yankee fan
Kason Gabbard left the Sux game in the 5th with an "undisclosed injury."
2006-09-12 17:58:36
182.   RIYank
181 Whoa. He was pitching very well. Incredibly, I think he's been their best pitcher over his last two starts.
2006-09-12 17:59:23
183.   C2Coke
180 Dotel is still on the team? We hear more about a dude named Pavano than Dotel.
2006-09-12 18:01:08
184.   LI yankee
Did anyone else just lose their MLB.TV reception?
2006-09-12 18:01:48
185.   LI yankee
184 Never mind, got it back
2006-09-12 18:01:52
186.   RIYank
183 No, it's some European hotel chain, I think.
2006-09-12 18:03:35
187.   smingers
180 The Yanks are just paying Dotel to rehab his arm so he can pitch for someone else next year.
2006-09-12 18:05:20
188.   mehmattski
184 Lost mine a couple innings ago... I switch between the video freezing and the sound continuing... or the sound cuts out and the video is cool... and sometimes I just lose both. I really hate Extra Innings for me next year, without a doubt.
2006-09-12 18:05:52
189.   3rd gen yankee fan
184 Weird, our whole internet connection went down.
2006-09-12 18:06:06
190.   C2Coke
187 At least it's not 2x 10 mil/year is all I am saying.
2006-09-12 18:08:35
191.   LI yankee
189 Someone broke the Internet. I blame A-Rod.
2006-09-12 18:08:56
192.   singledd
174 I agree, 1 AB is not fair. Managers gotta help their players at times.

Mauer 0-1

2006-09-12 18:10:39
193.   singledd
Wow.... I can't believe Ortiz said this:
"As long as Osama is still around, A-Rod should not have won MVP"
2006-09-12 18:12:19
194.   rbj
pavano -- that's like when I went to Aikido this evening even with my back hurting because I didn't want to be accused of pavanoing.
2006-09-12 18:12:36
195.   smingers
190 No doubt. I just get frustrated watching the "brilliant, under-the-radar signing of the offseason" rot away in the dugout. When you've got what used to be the best set-up man in the game in the bullpen, I'd think you'd use him now and again to see if he's still got it. But he can't get a shot.
2006-09-12 18:12:44
196.   LI yankee
Even if Hitler and Stalin were still around, A-Rod should have won
2006-09-12 18:13:33
197.   RIYank
193 Hey, the guy's been under a lot of pressure. His approval ratings are way low.
2006-09-12 18:15:19
198.   RIYank

I think Matsui is okay. He's fine.

2006-09-12 18:16:10
199.   3rd gen yankee fan
2006-09-12 18:16:15
200.   C2Coke
Unreal. 4 for 4. Matsui really misses this. The crowd is wild.
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2006-09-12 18:16:48
201.   LI yankee
Imagine Matsui's adrenaline right now
2006-09-12 18:16:54
202.   RIYank
It's kind of scary, actually. I'd be more scared if I were, say, a Twins fan.
2006-09-12 18:16:56
203.   rbj
198 Yeah, I think so. Nice lead for BBTN tonight.

Loved the shot of Jeter "man, they're not giving me anything to hit"

2006-09-12 18:16:58
204.   wsporter
Wow, I'm convinced.
2006-09-12 18:17:42
205.   mehmattski
I heard that on Monday, A-Rod destroyed a bridge in a park in Baltomore. The small childrean and kittens crossing it would have surely perished, had Scott Proctor not been there. EDSP held up the bridge with his right arm for three hours until the cops finally arrived. True story. You could look it up.
2006-09-12 18:17:52
206.   rbj
Hey, a shot of Beam.
2006-09-12 18:18:26
207.   Simone
Matsui is out of control!
2006-09-12 18:19:51
208.   C2Coke
206 And Beam's warming. There has to be something wrong with Dotel, it's just that all the attention is on Mo now.
2006-09-12 18:20:59
209.   Sliced Bread
Jeter's the only starter w/out a hit tonight. Weird.

Damon, Robbie, Melky the only starters w/out an RBI.

ESPN lead on Yanks highlights: Matsui just selfishly padding his stats, should be traded for prospects because Melky plays better defense.

2006-09-12 18:22:23
210.   RIYank
In Camden Craig Hansen comes in and loads the bases, one out, replaced by Breslow. Sox up 3-0, for a few more seconds I figure.
2006-09-12 18:22:30
211.   Simone
Matsui is thinking to himself, "hell yeah, I'm back. Now I just need a home run."
2006-09-12 18:25:32
212.   rbj
Great job, Mooooose.
2006-09-12 18:25:43
213.   smingers
Anyone know anything about this kid Breslow the Sox just brought in? He's got a ton of Ks in his few innings of work so far this year.
2006-09-12 18:26:44
214.   RIYank
TJ time.
TJ's job here is to prevent the run from getting tacked on to the Moose's ERA.
2006-09-12 18:27:50
215.   LI yankee
Almost a perfect game so far for the Yanks. Just need a hit from a certain somebody...
2006-09-12 18:27:58
216.   RIYank
211 Mussina is thinking, "Why isn't it always this easy for me to get a W?"
2006-09-12 18:28:34
217.   RIYank
And TJ does that job!
2006-09-12 18:28:38
218.   rbj
Good job, TJ.
2006-09-12 18:30:51
219.   C2Coke
216 Baseball God doesn't like him to get 20.

209 Jeter didn't even get AB chances...

2006-09-12 18:32:43
220.   LI yankee
The Streak lives!
2006-09-12 18:33:07
221.   marc
I think Dotel is in the dungeon till next year when they'll take another look and see if if they like what they see any better.
2006-09-12 18:33:25
222.   sabernar
So Jeter going 0-for-0 with 3 BB doesn't break his hitting streak? That sounds pretty cheap to me.
2006-09-12 18:33:34
223.   3rd gen yankee fan
uhhh, Sterling is saying that Joe & Jeter are throwing away the streak.
2006-09-12 18:33:34
224.   C2Coke
Jeter had no official AB. He didn't play tonight but scored 3 runs and 1 RBI. This is somehow hilarious.
2006-09-12 18:33:48
225.   RIYank
213 He's a LOOGY, I believe.

Jetes all done. Good, I really like that.
Why isn't Posada out, though?

2006-09-12 18:33:55
226.   singledd
My man Torre!
Protecting his boys!
2006-09-12 18:34:11
227.   3rd gen yankee fan
I'm confused. Sterling's got to be wrong.
2006-09-12 18:34:11
228.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
There is no chance Sheff makes it back for Oct. is there ?
2006-09-12 18:34:59
229.   smingers
221 Is Dotel under contract for next year?
2006-09-12 18:35:00
230.   rbj
Fasano better be squatting behind the plate next inning.
2006-09-12 18:35:19
231.   LI yankee
Jeter doesn't look too pleased in the dugout. Definitely not his call.
2006-09-12 18:35:53
232.   Simone
Torre protecting Jeter's streak. Good job, Joe.
2006-09-12 18:35:59
233.   marc
so Sterling's wrong and doesn't realize the streak is still alive? I don't know the streak rules
2006-09-12 18:36:06
234.   C2Coke
222 Maybe to Jeter, the streak ends tonight. The important thing is that team is playing great today, and Matsui is back.
2006-09-12 18:36:18
235.   RIYank
Manny Delcarmen puts out the fire with the bases loaded.
2006-09-12 18:36:51
236.   sabernar
There is no way that Jeter can continue his streak after playing a game and not getting a hit. He played a game. He didn't get a hit. That breaks his consecutive game hitting streak.
2006-09-12 18:37:19
237.   C2Coke
228 We may see Sheff in a few days.
2006-09-12 18:38:30
238.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Guiel, Wilson, Cairo, Phillips, Green

who makes the post-season roster and who does not ?

2006-09-12 18:38:59
239.   LI yankee
236 Kaat and Flaherty says the streak goes on
2006-09-12 18:39:38
240.   C2Coke
It's nice to see Bernie enjoying his time today. He was just putting his arms around Arod and Jeter talking and laughing with them just like a big brother.
2006-09-12 18:40:02
241.   Jeteupthemiddle
ok ok. I feel the need to point out that when Mauer was removed from an already decided game against the Yankees recently, people were screaming that it was classless for them to do it to protect his average.

But now it is ok to remove Jeter early to protect his hitting streak.

I agree that hte Yankees should remove Jeter, but the hypocricy needs to be pointed out.

2006-09-12 18:40:34
242.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan

that would be insane...nice pinch hitter for October with he and Matsui taking turns DHing

2006-09-12 18:40:54
243.   Jeteupthemiddle
237 i'd rather continue seeing Melky than see Sheffield.
2006-09-12 18:41:11
244.   singledd
By the way....
If you haven't heard Bernie's music yet,
I was very surprised.
It's outstanding.
Clean chops, very well composed, excellent backup musicians.
2006-09-12 18:42:52
245.   C2Coke
231 You may be right. Come to think of it, it almost seemed like Bernie was almost trying to ease Jeter. No matter what, we or the media are never going to find out.
2006-09-12 18:43:21
246.   RIYank
241 He should be taken out, obviously; but not to protect the streak!
2006-09-12 18:43:55
247.   neilymon
From Wikipedia:

In baseball, a hitting streak refers to the consecutive number of official games in which a player gets at least one base hit. Games in which a player does not have any official at bats due to walks, or sacrifice bunts, or being hit by a pitch, are ignored (neither break the streak nor add to the streak). However, if a player has a sacrifice fly, then the game is not ignored, and he must get a hit or his streak is over.

This is taken directly from MLB's scoring rules. . .so Jeter is good to go. Torre did his research, apparently. Or reads Wikipedia. Something like that.

2006-09-12 18:43:58
248.   David
From the Baseball Rules:

"Determining player performance streaks:
Consecutive Hitting Streaks: A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak.

Consecutive-Game Hitting Streaks: A consecutive-game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit. The player's individual consecutive-game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games."

Clearly Jeter's streak continues. This rule doesn't doesn't quite say that tonight's game doesn't add one to Jeter's 21 game hitting streak, but I presume that's the case.

2006-09-12 18:44:10
249.   rbs10025
Consecutive-Game Hitting Streaks: A consecutive-game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit. The player's individual consecutive-game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games.
2006-09-12 18:44:20
250.   rbj
Rule 10.24(a)
A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on ball, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt.

(b) A consecutive game hitting strak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) result in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt.

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2006-09-12 18:44:22
251.   C2Coke
243 You and I both.
244 Thanks, will definitely go check it out.
2006-09-12 18:45:06
252.   David
neilymon - you beat me by 3 seconds.
2006-09-12 18:46:30
253.   seamus
i don't suppose anyone has the rules on the hitting streak handy???
2006-09-12 18:46:36
254.   neilymon
Oh, and BTW, Melky Cabrera is now the lone starter still in the game. When the D-Rays come back to blast TJ for 12 in the top of the 8th, the onus will be on Melky to rally the troops and lead the second-stringers to victory.

That is, until he gets pinch-hit for by Bernie Williams, who will be pinch-run and replaced defensively by Craig Wilson.

Now, all we need is a way to get Wil Nieves into the game, and we'll have an empty bench. Hell yeah.

2006-09-12 18:47:49
255.   3rd gen yankee fan
Uh, wow guys, thanks for ALL those clarifications. :-)
2006-09-12 18:48:07
256.   RIYank
Could someone please just quote the rule about streaks? Geez, how hard could it be for someone to look it up on the freakin' internet.
2006-09-12 18:48:08
257.   C2Coke
Jeter clearly had nothing to hit today with 4 plate appearances. With this lead, of course Torre took him out, with a streak or not.
2006-09-12 18:48:37
258.   rbj
253 don't you have a copy of the baseball rules handy? It's only geeky if you keep them next to your bed.
2006-09-12 18:49:17
259.   RIYank
254 That's touching ;-)
2006-09-12 18:50:38
260.   rbj
Double for Matsui, who then gets pinch run for.
2006-09-12 18:50:50
261.   C2Coke
254 Matsui is still in.
2006-09-12 18:51:40
262.   neilymon
261 That is, until he is pinch-hit for by Wil Nieves.
2006-09-12 18:52:13
263.   RIYank
Hell, you'd be scared of him, too. I mean, he's got four hits, and he once ate Tokyo, sure, walk him.
2006-09-12 18:52:17
264.   neilymon
260 Er, as rbj said, pinch-run for.
2006-09-12 18:52:40
265.   3rd gen yankee fan
Great, great day for Matsui.
2006-09-12 18:53:06
266.   RIYank
Mauer 0 for 2, by the way. GIDP last time up.
2006-09-12 18:53:09
267.   3rd gen yankee fan
263 LMAO!!!
2006-09-12 18:53:12
268.   C2Coke
That settles it. 4 for 4 and 1BB. Japan must be going absolutely crazy this morning.
2006-09-12 18:54:11
269.   C2Coke
263 LOL.
2006-09-12 18:54:14
270.   LI yankee
Where's mikeplugh? He can give us the reaction
2006-09-12 18:54:18
271.   neilymon
Okay then! Come on, Joe - Melky needs a rest (to be specific, a half-inning's worth) and we can't take any chances on Sal after that horrible, horrible beaning. Let's get Wil in there.

On a completely unrelated note, anyone see Trent Green get. . .umm. . .hurt. . .on Sunday? Yikes.

2006-09-12 18:56:41
272.   rbj
Hey, wait, is that Bigfoot or Lochness Monster or Octavio Dotel?
2006-09-12 18:57:00
273.   C2Coke
I am stunned. Dotel is in...after Beam...
2006-09-12 18:57:20
274.   JeremyM
That double play had a belly full of guts.

I fully agree with whomever said that was their favorite Torre-ism. Of course the runner-up is when a guy goes 4 for 4 with 3 homers and an RBI single: "I was most impressed with the single, because that's what we teach, hit it up the middle."

2006-09-12 18:57:34
275.   Simone
263 Very good :)
2006-09-12 18:58:01
276.   RIYank
Check in to the Dotel, boys and girls!
2006-09-12 18:59:43
277.   JVarghese81
Regarding Jeter's streak, here's the rule book:

"Determining player performance streaks:
Consecutive Hitting Streaks: A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak.

Consecutive-Game Hitting Streaks: A consecutive-game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit. The player's individual consecutive-game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games."

2006-09-12 19:00:17
278.   3rd gen yankee fan
276 The No-Tell Dotel.
2006-09-12 19:00:27
279.   C2Coke
Whole bunch of happy guys on the bence.
2006-09-12 19:00:29
280.   JVarghese81
So, if I'm reading the correctly, the streak goes on.
2006-09-12 19:00:57
281.   pistolpete
Jeez, why so little patience with Dotel? He walks one guy, and they're already expecting Gator to call the pen?
2006-09-12 19:02:08
282.   rbj
Runelyvys & John Buck got into a fight in KC dugout tonight.
2006-09-12 19:03:02
283.   pistolpete
Joe, let him sort it out. It's 12-0.
2006-09-12 19:03:48
284.   C2Coke
280 Yes, and you can go back to 245 to 250 just in case you want more readings...

They just showed a shot of Protor. That's one relaxed EDSP for a change.

2006-09-12 19:04:11
285.   3rd gen yankee fan
Is a 12 run lead enough for Dotel?
2006-09-12 19:05:48
286.   Simone
Dotel isn't ready. He needs more time.
2006-09-12 19:05:53
287.   RIYank
I'm sorry, this Dotel has just been condemned by the board of health.
2006-09-12 19:06:11
288.   singledd
Fisk up on the Mets 4-0.
I'm rooting for the (underpaid) Florida Marlins.
2006-09-12 19:06:16
289.   rbj
284 Did his arm pop up from whereever it's been hiding? "Gee, it might be safe for me to let Mr. Torre see me now."
2006-09-12 19:06:17
290.   pistolpete
Can't leave a guy out there for a month and expect him to perform, Joe.
2006-09-12 19:06:21
291.   3rd gen yankee fan
It's a roach Dotel.
2006-09-12 19:06:44
292.   JeremyM
282 Did Buck try to steal his cheeseburger?
2006-09-12 19:07:09
293.   seamus
ah, i fear dotel will not get his game back this year. bummer
2006-09-12 19:07:09
294.   Comrade Al
Uh-oh. Start up EDSP.
2006-09-12 19:07:15
295.   C2Coke
That 2 runs really didn't bother me at all. I just hope Dotel can get some work while doing no harm. But looking at this, Dotel shouldn't count on an appearance during post-season.

Villone?? Villone?? There's still 10 run lead.

2006-09-12 19:07:15
296.   LI yankee
Villone is warming.

I can't help but laugh.

2006-09-12 19:07:38
297.   yankz
Jeter trails Mauer by 2 points
2006-09-12 19:08:33
298.   JeremyM
Now that Dotel has been found, let's put out an APB on Veras.
2006-09-12 19:08:38
299.   rbj
292 Pitcher was upset with the signs the catcher was putting down. Didn't catch all of it, I was cycling between Yanks, BBTN, and Mudhens game. Plus the Banter.
2006-09-12 19:09:17
300.   RIYank
Heartbreak Dotel.
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2006-09-12 19:10:03
301.   C2Coke
This has officially become Dotel's personal practice session.
2006-09-12 19:10:23
302.   rbj
I don't care about the shutout or anything. Just let Dotel work.

And no, he can't be on the PS roster. Still isn't recovered fully.

2006-09-12 19:10:24
303.   pistolpete
295 After the Sox series, I say put Dotel in as much as possible - if he keeps this up, then you leave him off the playoff roster.
2006-09-12 19:10:30
304.   Simone
No playoffs for Dotel, but he'll be good to go for next season.
2006-09-12 19:10:39
305.   Comrade Al
Dotel hell.
2006-09-12 19:11:06
306.   3rd gen yankee fan
300 I doubt this is original, but...

don't ask, Dotel.

2006-09-12 19:11:27
307.   C2Coke
Wonderdul night.

Welcome back, Matsui.

Jeter doesn't look that happy.

2006-09-12 19:12:10
308.   pistolpete
304 Still most of September to go - I wouldn't rush to judgment. After all, Bruney came out of nowhere and everyone's ready to have him pitch in October...
2006-09-12 19:13:04
309.   smingers
304 I apologize if someone answered this question earlier and I didn't see it, but is Dotel under contract for next year?
2006-09-12 19:13:35
310.   C2Coke
308 If the Yankees keep this up, Dotel still has more than a handful of real game practices.
2006-09-12 19:15:54
311.   wsporter
The only way Dotel is going to build arm strength and command is to pitch. Games like this are perfect for that. It wasn't much on style but hopefully efforts like that will be effective in possibly getting him ready for October. This is his Spring Training.
2006-09-12 19:17:10
312.   Simone
308 Good point.

309 I'm pretty sure that Dotel is on a 2 year contract. This year is to recover from Tommy John and next year is the actual pitching year.

I can't wait to see highlights from this game.

2006-09-12 19:17:39
313.   yankz
Now I don't want Jeter to set the record. The controversy of this game and the multiple seasons would cheapen it, and I don't think even he would want it.
2006-09-12 19:20:31
314.   3rd gen yankee fan
In case anyone cares, Boston's MVP is 0-4 today.
2006-09-12 19:21:23
315.   RIYank
Simone, and smingers, I'm pretty sure he's a free agent this winter.
2006-09-12 19:21:29
316.   JeremyM
Dotel is not signed for next year, I don't think he even has a team option but I could be wrong.

Jeter has 30-plus games to go so it's too far away to even worry about, in my opinion.

2006-09-12 19:23:19
317.   RIYank
313 I'm thinking you're pretty safe there.
314 Doesn't matter. Still has the home runs, still has the rbi. Jeter's times on base today have no value.
2006-09-12 19:25:21
318.   Max
Are people seriously hand-wringing over Jeter's "run" for the "record"? At only 21 games? If he had a hit streak in consecutive games in the high 30s, or 40+ games, I might see some animated discussion being justified, but AFAIK this is barely worth getting heated up over.
2006-09-12 19:25:31
319.   RIYank
Yeah, Dotel is under contract for just the one year. No option.

2006-09-12 19:26:02
320.   wsporter
312 According to Cot's Dotel is on a 1 year 2 million dollar contract with incentives. Nothing for next year but a wink and a nod, maybe.
2006-09-12 19:32:43
321.   RIYank
Somehow I don't think OD is going to make a lot of incentive levels this year.

Top of eight in Minnie; Mauer should get his last plate appearance in the bottom of the frame. Then I'm shutting down for the night.

2006-09-12 19:33:37
322.   smingers
It seems like short-sightedness to sign a guy coming off Tommy John surgery to a 1-year deal. It's like you're just paying him to rehab and audition for other teams.
2006-09-12 19:35:44
323.   yankz
I agree that multiple people (myself definitely included) are getting too worked up about Jeter's hit streak. I just stated my opinion that in the extremely unlikely case that he DOES hit in 35 more games, I'm not sure I would like that.
2006-09-12 19:36:27
324.   seamus
322 It was a good deal. While it didn't lock Dotel down, it came at a cheap price. If Dotel had come back this year as expected (and he may still find his form) it would be a bargain. We'll see.
2006-09-12 19:40:17
325.   RIYank
Mauer walks. That should do it for him tonight. Two points separate them, right?
2006-09-12 19:40:17
326.   3rd gen yankee fan
Mauer walked!
2006-09-12 19:41:40
327.   smingers
Was Dotel expected to come back sooner than he did? If so, it was a good gamble, even if it didn't pay off. If not, the deal needed another year.
2006-09-12 19:42:15
328.   seamus
327 original projection had him pitching in June but he had setbacks.
2006-09-12 19:43:50
329.   RIYank
Man, back-to-back doubles after Mauer's walk. Twinks take the lead from Oakland. A couple more hits and Mauer could get another shot in the ninth. Although, a couple more hits and the Twinks won't need to bat in the bottom of the ninth.
2006-09-12 19:48:23
330.   marc
wow, Joe appareintly didn't realize the streak was still going when he pulled Jeter. Then when he realized it he went to Jeter and was apologizing and felt terrible and Jeter told him it's OK, I wasn't going to catch Joe D. anyway.
2006-09-12 19:51:11
331.   RIYank
Mean while, Mike Timlin is attempting to cough up a five run lead. Good start: three run homer with one out.
And the Twins score on a strike out wild pitch with two out!
Strange evening for baseball.

God, Millar gets a base hit. Tying run comes to the plate in Camden Yards. Timlin is worse than Dotel tonight.

2006-09-12 19:52:40
332.   RIYank
Bang, Newhan gets a hit, winning run is up in the person of Chris Gomez, with one out.
Timlin is just woeful.
2006-09-12 19:54:25
333.   RIYank
Gomez goes down on three quick pitches.
Fiorentino bats with the game on the line...
2006-09-12 19:55:23
334.   RIYank
Fiorentino base hit! Run scores, tying run at third, winning run on first. Roberts is up.
2006-09-12 19:55:26
335.   wsporter
Millah scores!!! Timlin looks every bit of 40. So do the Sawx.
2006-09-12 19:57:40
336.   wsporter
Most of the fans left at the Yard are Sawx fans and did they just let Timlin have it as he left the mound. You can take the kid out of Bahston but ......
2006-09-12 19:59:56
337.   wsporter
The O's blow.
2006-09-12 20:00:30
338.   RIYank
Cora saves the game!
I guess it's just you and me here wsporter. Buenos noches.
2006-09-12 20:04:42
339.   wsporter
Got an early morning Yank, I gotta head too. Sure was a great night though. Hasta manana.
2006-09-12 20:05:31
340.   kdw
Did anyone catch what Brantley was saying about Mo on BBTN? I only caught the end and couldn't tell if he was saying that the muscle strain is caused by Mo trying to stay on top of the ball because the cutter wasn't working? I've been thinking that Mo was getting hit more than usual because of the muscle strain, not the reverse.
2006-09-12 20:37:19
341.   mikeplugh

Just read through the game thread. Sounds like you all had fun. I've been sitting here at work, and bouncing back and forth between my desk and the classroom. I managed to Gameday it, and occasionally check in on the progress. I was very aware of every Matsui at bat, but I doubt anyone else was around here.

Japan will be very happy tonight when everyone parades home from work at 8 or 9pm. 4 for 4 was unexpected and brilliant. The Yankees are very popular over here, but they will become topic A#1 for the rest of the season with Godzilla back and firing on all cylindars. If nothing else, the amount of Yankees coverage I can get has just leaped exponentially. Thanks Hideki.

By the way, Matsuzaka pitches tonight on his 26th birthday. Make sure to drop by Matsuzaka Watch in the morning for your update.

2006-09-12 20:53:33
342.   TEX
Too early to speculate on the post season roster?

I have:

C: Posada

1B: Giambi

2B: Cano

SS: Jeter

3B: A-Rod

LF: Matsui

CF: Damon

RF: Abreu

DH: Sheff

PR/UT: Guiel or Phillips

P: Unit
Wright or Lidle or (ha) Pavano

25 men. Pretty intimidating.

No Dotel, no 5th starter/mop-up long man, but overall a pretty flexible and powerful line-up.

I feel a ring coming...

2006-09-12 21:20:07
343.   Maniakes
I think both Wright and Lidle make the roster. Both because I think Torre will want a long man on general principle, and because you need someone to keep you in the game if Bad Randy shows up, or if a pitcher has to leave a game early due to injury (Unit and Moose are old, and Wang and Wright are injury prone). My guess is that the PR/UT slot gets the ax to make room for the 12th pitcher.

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