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After dropping the opening game of their current series in Baltimore, the Yankees have won the last two despite being without Alex Rodriguez, Jason Giambi and Mariano Rivera, and having to push Mike Mussina back in the rotation. Of course, it doesn't hurt that they're playing one of just four mathematically eliminated teams in baseball, but it sure is a nice boost to put up a few W's with inferior line-ups while the big guns get healthy for the postseason. Tonight Randy Johnson and Kris Benson square off as the Yanks go for the series win and the O's try (or at least we'll asume they'll try) for a series split. Benson's been solid in his last two turns: 15 IP, 14 H, 4 R, 2 HR, 5 BB, 9 K. RJ's been downright dominant. Throw out a two-run ninth-inning homer by Craig Monroe in his penultimate start and his combined line for his last two outings is 15 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 HR, 2 BB, 16 K. Purdy.
Anyone else see that Kaat's last broadcast is this Friday?! Why so soon? (And why not a YES game where those of us with Extra Innings could actually hope to see it?!) I will miss Kitty. I wish Kay was going instead, but oh well.
Let me go first:
1) Ortiz is lucky that I don't have a vote because he wouldn't have a shot at winning the award. No DH is ever getting my vote for the MVP. He sits on his butt for most of the game which is why he rarely has a serious injury and he thinks he should get the award over a full time player on a playoff team? Please.
2) Manny would be the MVP of the Red Sox ever year not Ortiz. Without Manny in that line up, Ortiz would be a good hitter, but he never get all those good pitches to hit.
3) Ortiz has obviously spent too much time thinking about the MVP. He should be focused on trying to get the Red Sox back into the playoffs instead of obsessing over an individual award.
4) Nice how Ortiz threw his teammates under the bus there. Could you imagine the uproar if A-Rod has said that selfish BS? So much Ortiz being this good guy.
Johnny Damon CF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Jorge Posada C
Robinson Cano 2B
Bernie Williams DH
Aaron Guiel 1B
Melky Cabrera LF
I posted this elsewhere today, but I like it so sorry if someone is reading this twice. If my wife makes 100K at 1 job and I make 125K at two jobs, I am more valuable to the family. If I only make 75K at 2 jobs, she is more valuable. If the DH brings home more bacon than the position player, how he does it irrelavent. As the case was last year, none of the DH's are outhitting the position players by a great enough margin to overcome their defensive contributions.
Ortiz's comments were ignorant and self-serving, but he'll get a free pass for them.
With about 20 games to go my ballot is:
1) Jeter
2) Mauer
3) Manny
A more appropriate example would be if you and your wife made the same amount of money or even less money than you at work, but at home she does all the house work, yard work, maintenance of your home, plus takes care of the children while you sit on your butt and drink a six pack of beer. In this case, your wife is far more valuable to your family than you are because you don't have to pay a nanny, housekeeper, repairman and gardner.
I tend to think of it like this: your 'value' (as in MVP) is your value over a replacement player, which means Jeter's value is his value over a replacement SS while Ortiz' is his value over a replacement DH. But a replacement DH hit a mile and a half better than a replacement SS. (Mauer scores big on this measure too, of course.)
David Pinto kind of tees off on Ortiz here:
http://tinyurl.com/zs8a7
(and Pinto isn't a Yankee fan at all and doesn't dislike the Red Sox).
The point in 8 is that you have to measure the absolute value of the contribution, measuring how they contribute is just window dressing and your personal preference.
If I had an MVP vote, I'd go by WARP1, which includes offense and defense, and adjusts for park, position, etc:
Jeter - 8.5
Mauer - 7.8
Hafner - 7.7
Dye - 7.5
Tejada - 7.5
Morneau - 7.0
Young - 7.0
Crede - 6.9
Posada - 6.6
Ortiz - 6.5
Konerko - 6.4
Thome - 6.0
Manny - 5.7
Methinks Ortiz ought to be quiet. I might have forgotten someone and so he might be even lower on the list. If I added pitchers, Ortiz drops from 10th to 17th! - and Jeter loses to Santana (10.4!). Other pitchers of note:
Papelbon - 8.1
Halladay - 8.0
Mo - 7.4
Liriano - 7.2
Verlander - 6.8
K-Rod - 6.7
Wang - 6.2
Weaver 5.6
I think this is the Cap'n's year. Sorry, Papi.
I read that and lost any whimsical "like" I had for the guy. He went from fearsome-yet-loveable Schreck guy, to whiny, woe-is-me, I won't win the MVP and it's not fair baby.
It's so unseemly for a guy to openly campaign and then discount his own chances 'cause Jeter has all the toys at his house. He actually is campaigning for Jeter to NOT win it. He goes so far as to name all the guys he'd vote for before Jeter. If I were the Captain, I'd punch him in the face the next time I saw him.
The Yankees magic number is 11 and they can't be guaranteed that if they tie with Boston at 95 games that they would both make the playoffs as there could be two teams in the Central with more wins.
By the way in either Runs Created or RC/game, Jeter flat beats Ortiz. He's second only to Hafner in total RC, 5th in RC/game (behind also Manny, Thome and Dye). His current .394 with RISP helps here: notice that in a formula that counts clutch hitting, he comes out ahead of Ortiz! And this is before counting fielding...
Hmmm--if you use Win Shares, which includes fielding, he's tied with Ramirez and Mauer (don't know if that formula considers situational hitting).
I guess I'd say Jeter, Mauer, Ramirez...have the same players ever finished 1-2 in batting title race and MVP?
Simone: would you ever give a pitcher MVP?
http://tinyurl.com/rqd23
Basically, it says Jeter is the MVP, so shut up Papi.
Also, Mo's next throwing session was bumped back to Wednesday.
Mo will be ok. Mo will be ok. Mo will be ok.
Burgundy has other things tonight, so I won't be in. Brick will fill in for me tonite.
Then October is our lucky month.
He passed away recently.
Now, the Yanks need some Banter support.
On Ortiz: I'd give him a pass on this one. I'm sure he's incredibly frustrated, easily irritated by media questions, and so on.
20 I would not award the MVP to a pitcher. Three hours and/or 7 innings per week is not MVP, imo. Pitchers have their award which is the Cy Young.
Ortiz didn't disparage Jeter in the least, he just thinks the MVP should be a big power hitter, a big RBI guy. It's just like people who think that the MVP should have to come from a winning team, or that it shouldn't go to a pitcher. Or, for that matter, that it shouldn't go to a DH. You may disagree with any of those opinions, but they're all very common, and I can't kill Ortiz for them.
Personally, I'm not convinced Jeter should be MVP, either.
Don't be a player hater, to use a phrase that I actually can't stand. If the voters want to choose Jeter, or David Eckstein, or Phil Mickelson for AL MVP, it's not the place of a player involved in the race to downplay the accomplishments of his competitors to boost himself. An MVP doesn't NEED to do that. If he were such a clear cut choice, he'd let his stats do the talking for him.
I think it's "bitchy".
That's how an MVP handles that kind of question. Give me the trophy for cryin' out loud! ;)
That's what I was working from, and that part of it wouldn't have offended me. But a player should never make his own case for MVP, especially at the expense of others. (Gary Sheffield has certainly been known to toot his own MVP horn, but I don't think he's disparaged other players in the process. The voters, yes, but not the players that I know of.)
Bet Johnson is taken out at this point. We'll see Karstens next inning?
Ugh. Please tell me JD isn't hurt.
Maybe he will walk next year....
But I'm having a hard time getting upset. I'd be happy if Jeter could get two more hits today, actually.
And the Mets are getting killed.
Hm, why no advance there? Well, Abreu is going to walk so it doesn't matter.
As morbid as that may be.
114 I figured SF Yank must have gone out for ice cream. Let's stick with that, since it can work other days too.
I don't know whether to be impressed or confused. Pretty cool to see the scoring come in bunches like this, though.
Has the vein in Ron Burgundy's temple stopped throbbing yet?
Nice, easy inning. Well, Baseball God owes us at least one Brian Bruney in exchange for the Pavano and the Dotel he screwed us out of.
Question: Who will replace Mo in a couple of years?
sounds like he sealed the deal. This guy is great. Arizona's bad
Getting a guy with a fresh arm who can maybe get some big outs is almost required in the postseason these days.
118 I didn't exactly go out for ice cream this time, but instead grabbed a bowl of cereal. I think it may have to do with the process of eating. The more I can figure this out, the better off we all are.
If we were Sawx fans we'd be talking about how he's better than Mo.
146 I'm getting a little scared of the Twins, actually. Liriano had a great AAA start, apparently, and Santana is, well, Supernatural.
Oh, crap. Crap. What's with this guy, three dingers in two games???
Terrific.
I honestly hate to see pitching coaches from the 50's, 60's, and 70's because they are always of the mind that a guy can either throw 175 pitches per outing, or that relievers "stay sharp" by pitching everyday. I want a guy who retired in the 90s to take over and bring a more sensible perspective to the pitching choices.
But what can you do? He's injured.
"...longest for a Yankee since Bernie hit in 21 in 1993..."
Anyone else think this is the Cap'n's way of telling GOB "You're not really relevant anymore"?
See any 'rust' on him? ;-)
1. How many pitches is the maximum a guy should throw in a game? answer: 120-125
2. How many pitches should a pitcher average per start over the season? answer: 105
3. How many days in a row is acceptable for a reliever to pitch before he sits out a game or two? answer: 3 days
4. Boxers or briefs: boxers
I think the playoffs will be:
Yankees vs. Detroit
Minnesota vs. Oakland
That would be sweet.
Imagine Detroit missing the playoffs. It could happen.
1 - Randy was...eh, OK - I guess!
2 - Myers & Bruney rocked.
3 - I know I said I didn't hate Torre last night, but man this guy is reeeeeally pissing me off now. WHY does he continue to abuse Proctor this way? Seriously - he's got to be a smart enough manager to realize he's being over used! Damn!
On a happier note - go A-Rod! Thanks for that insurance run! And why didn't Benson pitch for the O's tonight?
(DOH!!!)
The Yankees. Pride. Power, Pinstripes. Proctor.
Nice win. Poor Scotty Proctor, and ungood Unit, but a few very encouraging performances (Bruney, A-Rod, Farns, Robbie).
That gives us a shitload of depth. But I doubt Matsui will be fully useful coming off a wrist injury.
"The Yankees. Pride. Power, Pinstripes. Proctor."
By Peter Abraham
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