Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Jerrod? Jered? Jaret?
2006-08-24 17:05
by Cliff Corcoran

The Yankees face Jerrod Washburn tonight in their attempt to win the rubber game of their series in Seattle. The Red Sox face Jered Weaver tonight in the rubber game of their series with the Angels. Tomorrow, Jaret Wright takes the hill for the Yankees and the Yanks and Sox swap opponents. Amazingly, there's not a Jared among them.

Randy Johnson gets the ball for the Yankees tonight in what could be his last game in Seattle. Johnson was pretty miserable in his last start in Boston, walking six, striking out just three, and allowing five runs in seven innings. Of course, nobody noticed because Josh Beckett walked nine and the Yankees scored 14 runs. On the bright side, Johnson did only allow four hits in that game, three singles and a booming two-run Manny Ramirez homer.

No word yet on whether or not Alex Rodriguez, who missed yesterday's game with a throat infection, has rejoined the team. Joe Torre has said he hopes to give Ron Villone a second straight day off. Villone should get at least that much rest. With Brian Bruney in the pen in place of the disabled Mike Mussina, there's no reason, short of an extra-inning marathon, that Torre should find it difficult to keep his word.

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2006-08-24 17:53:52
1.   randym77
Still no rest for Nick Green...

Johnny Damon CF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Jason Giambi DH
Jorge Posada C
Robinson Cano 2B
Melky Cabrera LF
Craig Wilson 1B
Nick Green 3B

2006-08-24 17:56:46
2.   randym77
And here's Seattle. Different look tonight...

Ichiro Suzuki CF
Willie Bloomquist 3B
Jose Lopez 2B
Richie Sexson 1B
Eduardo Perez DH
Kenji Johjima C
Yuniesky Betancourt SS
T.J. Bohn RF
Chris Snelling LF

Jarrod Washburn P

2006-08-24 17:58:59
3.   Ron Burgundy
Whee!!! Willie Bloomquist batting 2nd. Oh wait, our pitchers really like to walk him.

We need A-Rod back. Robbie is needed toward the top of the line-up more than Jorge, but that would make 3 straight lefties with Abreu and Giambi. Even when A-Rod comes back, 4 of our top 6 guys are lefties. Not that that's bad, but a good lefty reliever could kill us.

2006-08-24 18:19:21
4.   vockins
Apropos of nothing, here's my kid with her Colter Bean tshirt on her polar bear.

Her nickname is Bean, so there you go.

2006-08-24 18:19:22
5.   seamus
Cliff, you passed up a perfectly good opportunity to add Jeter to your title.
2006-08-24 18:22:37
6.   randym77
3 A-Rod will be back soon. From LoHud:

Alex Rodriguez remains out with an illness but is in uniform and took some batting practice. He hopes to be back in the lineup tomorrow. The Yankees are 3-0 when A-Rod doesn't play. They have scored 21 runs in those games and hit .331. But that's a total coincidence, right? Hello? I mean it has to be.

He also reports that Cairo ran the bases today, and Andy started swinging the bat.

And Pavano pitches for the Clippers tomorrow.

2006-08-24 18:24:14
7.   randym77
The Mets have signed Kelly Stinnett.
2006-08-24 18:26:11
8.   kdw
4 Way adorable!!! Love the picture.
2006-08-24 18:26:31
9.   Ron Burgundy
7 Is that a good thing?
2006-08-24 18:33:05
10.   randym77
9 It is for him. :)
2006-08-24 18:33:51
11.   wsporter
Anyone watching the Mets? What is that crap hanging off Scott Spezio's chin? Old pizza, gum, a dayglow merkin? What?
2006-08-24 18:47:29
12.   Cliff Corcoran
4 Cute kid, great shirt, what a photo!

11 I vote for option 3.

2 I totally forgot about the Eduardo Perez v. Randy Johnson factor! Perez is hitting .290/.389/.710 off Randy with four homers in 31 ABs and is the batter Johnson was ejected for throwing near back in June when the Indians visited the Bronx.

2006-08-24 19:13:46
13.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
Cairo and Phillips come back....who goes...
2006-08-24 19:14:45
14.   matt0620
I don't think either will be back before the rosters expand.
2006-08-24 19:15:11
15.   randym77
13 By the time they come back, we'll have the expanded rosters. Possibly no one has to go.
2006-08-24 19:17:15
16.   monkeypants
14 I agree, but if someone were to go down: Cairo obviously swaps with Green. Phillips would probably replace Guiel.
2006-08-24 19:18:04
17.   mickey1956
Hughes, P (W, 9-3) 5.0 0 0 0 1 9 0 2.35

Another Phillip Hughes start tonight Ho-Hum.

He can make a difference in the bullpen right now. All year I've said they should just shut him down, but if hes going to throw 30 more innings this year he should probably do it in New York.

2006-08-24 19:20:48
18.   Benjamin Kabak
Mmm. It's looking like one of those nights for the Unit today. Every ball this inning has been hit hard.
2006-08-24 19:24:17
19.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan

yup...we are going to a bunch of runs

2006-08-24 19:24:47
20.   pistolpete
Watch - tonight Eduardo Perez goes 0-3, but the rest of the lineup scores 8 runs off Johnson. ;-)
2006-08-24 19:27:35
21.   monkeypants
Hmmm. Jared Washburn on pace for 20 Ks.
2006-08-24 19:27:45
22.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
the Unit is going to be running on fumes next season and stealing good when his money comes off the books....
2006-08-24 19:28:43
23.   randym77
16 Yes, Green is probably the most vulnerable.

I think they'll keep Andy on the DL until rosters expand. I suspect they wanted Guiel instead of Andy even before the "injury." They need an outfielder, not another infielder.

But Andy's out of options, and they aren't sure he'll clear waivers.

And they're teaching Guiel how to play 1B.

2006-08-24 19:31:32
24.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan

teaching Guiel to play first, what is Mattingly doing holding clinics ? Sheff, Guiel....good news is that anyone but Giambi with a glove in hand is where you want to be...

2006-08-24 19:32:15
25.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
speaking of Sheff...they sent him to swing a bat in the pool and I have not heard anything since...did he drown ?
2006-08-24 19:32:50
26.   monkeypants
23 Cairo does have those pictures of Torre with that cocktain waitress. But they now have at least options at 1B, and Green can play the rest of the IF. So there really is not much reason to go for Cairo over Green. Who is faster? (I know Cairo had some SB this year)
2006-08-24 19:34:23
27.   JeremyM
I believe Cairo is faster and the better baserunner.
2006-08-24 19:35:23
28.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
they don't need speed off the bench, they have Sal "two slices extra cheese" Fasano ready to steal a base
2006-08-24 19:38:03
29.   JeremyM
Poor Bohn, the guy has 3 MLB at-bats and three strikeouts. One of these days he just may put the ball in play.
2006-08-24 19:40:39
30.   monkeypants
Wilson+LHP = H.

Guiel+RHP =_____?

The answer, Mr. Torre?

2006-08-24 19:42:06
31.   randym77
Cairo, IMO, is better on offense and defense than Nick Green. And he's faster and a better baserunner.

Green is younger, and that might count for something. But Cairo was the first string 2B for the Mets last year. Nick Green was DFA'd by Tampa.

2006-08-24 19:42:39
32.   nyyfan22
Are Johnny Damon and Jason Giambi having a mustache contest?

Ooh.. nice hit.

2006-08-24 19:45:17
33.   randym77
Jeter is so clutch.
2006-08-24 19:47:38
34.   monkeypants
31 As long as Torre doesn't get all crazy with Cairo, I don't care much whom they carry. You'd like to think that the younger Green has some more to offer, but he is already 27, so one doesn't expect much improvement.
2006-08-24 19:49:17
35.   Benjamin Kabak
Is anyone else around these parts having problems with any of the sites tonight? I'm wondering if they're having server problems or if my ISP is having DNS problems.
2006-08-24 19:49:40
36.   monkeypants
Washburn's K parade marches on. Maybe he'll get tired throwing so many strikes.
2006-08-24 19:50:55
37.   singledd
35 MLB.TV is OK in NH
2006-08-24 19:51:36
38.   randym77
35 I did. I was following the Clippers game on Gameday audio, and it choked frequently. I rarely have a problem with it, but it was buggy as a picnic in July tonight.
2006-08-24 19:52:28
39.   Benjamin Kabak
37 I'm looking at the non-TV pages. I am only intermittently getting to load and team sites aren't loading much either.
2006-08-24 19:53:09
40.   yankz
21 K pace now :(
2006-08-24 19:53:21
41.   nyyfan22
I hope this isn't one of those nights where the Yanks leave 11 men on base.
2006-08-24 19:53:58
42.   yankz
There's a new thread up
2006-08-24 19:54:14
43.   rsmith51
The Yankees don't look very good striking out a lot. Abreu looks a little lost against Washburn. Perhaps their scouting report isn't very good today.
2006-08-24 19:57:44
44.   LI yankee
Slow night tonight huh? Is there a party I don't know about?
2006-08-24 19:57:45
45.   monkeypants
43 Yeah, the LHP (except Damon) are looking pretty bad. I wonder if tonight might have been a (rare) good night to start Bernie.

Wow, and IF hit against a drawn in IF.

2006-08-24 20:00:16
46.   Max
45 How did the man on third not score on the single? Or alterntatively, how did the guy reach first on an IF single with the drawn in IF? I'm not watching...just have Gameday on.

Ugh, I see that the next stiff singled in the run anyway.

2006-08-24 20:00:17
47.   monkeypants
Cripes, it's like batting practice out there.
2006-08-24 20:00:19
48.   nyyfan22
Uh oh. Looks like Johnson's little league temper might get him in trouble.
2006-08-24 20:01:55
49.   randym77
I'm really starting to think that the sweep of the Sox meant they really suck, not that the Yanks are that good. I am less than thrilled at the idea of going into postseason with Randy as a starting pitcher. Still haven't forgiven him for that rainy Friday night last year.
2006-08-24 20:02:39
50.   Cliff Corcoran
42 only one comment, though, game thread can stay here
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2006-08-24 20:02:47
51.   monkeypants
46 It was a weird swinging bunt that Jorge tracked joping it would go foul. The runner on third froze; if he came home Posada could have thrown him out at home, assuming RJ covered. Meanwhile, the runner made it to first.

And Sexon ropes a double. This night is starting to look sucky if RJ can't screw his head on.

2006-08-24 20:03:18
52.   nyyfan22
46 I was wondering the same thing. I'm pretty sure Posada was following the ball up the 1st base line. Maybe Green was covering home. I'll back up the TiVo after the third out.

It's a moot point now, though. All those runs scored anyway.

2006-08-24 20:04:14
53.   Benjamin Kabak
Can someone update the Red Sox game? My f*&%$& ISP is having some problems.
2006-08-24 20:04:32
54.   nyyfan22
51 I don't think Johnson was covering home.
2006-08-24 20:05:26
55.   mickey1956
53 1=0 Sox on Ortiz hr
2006-08-24 20:05:32
56.   matt0620
53 Ortiz just homered, 1-0 Boston.
2006-08-24 20:05:33
57.   monkeypants
1-0 Sox. "He who should never be pitched to especially now that Manny is hurt" homered.
2006-08-24 20:06:00
58.   Simone
Ugh! I just can't get used to the fact that Randy Johnson is now just an average pitcher. I thought when he declined that he would be good at minimum.
2006-08-24 20:07:14
59.   Simone
Why didn't Sciosca just walk Ortiz? Stupid.
2006-08-24 20:07:14
60.   nyyfan22
51 okay... I rewound it. Yeah.. Johnson did cover home. He started toward the ball, but then veered on home.
2006-08-24 20:07:35
61.   tommyl
57 Think Voldemort is available?

58 He's not average, he's great, except for those innings he gives up runs. If you take those away, he's awesome (why I hate the, he was great except for one or two bad innings line).

2006-08-24 20:07:38
62.   rsmith51
58 He would still be good if he was in the NL. Well, at least above average.
2006-08-24 20:07:40
63.   Kirribilli Yankee Fan
what are they saying about Manny ? I read MRI ?
2006-08-24 20:08:38
64.   monkeypants
54 On the replay it looked like Johnson looked up, sort of panicked, and started toward home. The runner on third must not have been running on contact. Or maybe Snelling is just really slow.
2006-08-24 20:08:40
65.   kdw
Ugh, I'm sure it's mostly my imagination, but somehow it seems like Johnson gives up a lot of runs in the inning right after the Yankees score.
2006-08-24 20:08:50
66.   rsmith51
0-2 HBP
2006-08-24 20:10:21
67.   rsmith51
I know he has very little patience, but I love watching Cano's at-bats.
2006-08-24 20:10:22
68.   Simone
62 You are totally right. Even Jamie Moyer is good in NL. It is the AAA league.
2006-08-24 20:10:48
69.   matt0620
63 MRI came back negative.
2006-08-24 20:11:29
70.   nyyfan22
68 oh that's just messed up.
2006-08-24 20:12:44
71.   monkeypants
Melky K, and season high for the fourth inning.
2006-08-24 20:13:13
72.   rsmith51
The spirit of Randy Johnson is possessing Washburn tonight.

I like Washburn since he is also a Packer fan.

2006-08-24 20:13:17
73.   nyyfan22
Ken Singleton (while showing a replay of Melky's first K): "and the Melkman goes thirsty"
2006-08-24 20:14:28
74.   Benjamin Kabak
Inexcusable...pitching to Ortiz right now. That lineup is so weak without Manny.
2006-08-24 20:15:35
75.   rsmith51
Pinch hit ARod?
2006-08-24 20:16:40
76.   randym77
All right, Nicky. Clutch HBP!
2006-08-24 20:16:47
77.   monkeypants
HBP, H, BB, HBP = O R.

Damon needs to cash in here.

2006-08-24 20:17:22
78.   nyyfan22
2006-08-24 20:18:21
79.   yankz
2006-08-24 20:18:24
80.   monkeypants
That was a classic inning.
2006-08-24 20:18:47
81.   JeremyM
This is shaping up to be one of those nights. But, Washburn is already at 80, so who knows?
2006-08-24 20:19:05
82.   Simone
That was a terrible inning. Cano has got to be more attentive on the base.
2006-08-24 20:20:09
83.   nyyfan22
Is that 5 lob? Were there any in the 1st?
2006-08-24 20:21:44
84.   JeremyM
83 Damon was left after a leadoff walk.
2006-08-24 20:23:09
85.   yankz
Hey, at least Randy hasn't walked anyone.
2006-08-24 20:23:28
86.   Stormer Sports
Look, it's not rocket science. Randy Johnson has never had great control locating his pitches. The break on his slider and speed on his fastball have always carried him. Now that he has no velocity, he still cannot locate, and he is getting hit. When you can't throw much above 90 MPH, and you can't locate, you are mediocre at best, which is what RJ and his 5.00 era are.

Roger Clemens has been through 3 different "eras" with 3 different strike zones, and adjusted his location with every one of them.

Expecting anything but mediocrity in the post season from Johnson is a pipe dream. If Joe doesn't admit to himself that Wang is his best pitcher, Moose second best, and at this point, Lidle is likely third best, and that Wang and Moose are going to have to go on 3 days rest at some point in the post season, we will lose.

Unless we catch fire in a bottle with Pavano--yes, it is possible--Joe simply cannot rest these guys as much as he has the past few years in the post season. I watced "Game 6" with Michael Keaton the other night (not a bad flick) and I had forgotten that Clemens had gone on 3 days rest three times that post season to get Boston into a position to win the series (AND GAME 6 WASNT EVEN A MUST WIN AND HE STARTED AND KEPT THEM IN IT, GOING 7 I THINK, GIVING UP 1 or 2 RUNS!). You can bet your first born that Joe Torre would not have started Clemens, he would have trotted out whomever was next in line to start on regular rest, and that is where being a players manager is great for players, but horrible for the ball club.

I love Joe, but if he pulls another horse shit move like starting Kevin Brown in a game 7, instead of understanding who gives him the best chance to win, he has to be fired at the end of the season. It doesn't matter what circus tricks you pull to manage the team into the playoffs, if you butcher them once you get there. If we are in a deciding game and we have Wang on 3 days or Moose on 3,4 days, we have to take our chances. This Joe, is how teams win playoff series, not by making sure the starters have enough rest to make their next NOVEMBER START!

2006-08-24 20:26:00
87.   Max
49 This is the interpretation I favor, though I still think we can be a very good team on the basis of our offense alone. The weird thing is that since acquiring Bobby, we've won 3 series, all against division foes -- sweep of Jays and Red Sox, 2 of 3 against the O's at Camden.

But we've also lost to the O's at home, split with the Angels, and lost 2 of 3 to the White Sox. If we lose this game, that will be another series loss to a less than stellar team.

Right before we got Bobby, there was a stretch where we were winning pretty much every series (9-1-1 record in 11 series), and the biggest complaint was our inability to sweep, and our house money lineups in games we lost.

Our offense seems more impressive these days, but the starting pitching seems to be much more of a question mark. Torre's remark a while back about us having the best starting 3 (Wang, Moose, RJ) seems silly now.

2006-08-24 20:29:29
88.   yankz
August, what!
2006-08-24 20:29:47
89.   yankz
First pitch, Bobby?
2006-08-24 20:29:49
90.   rsmith51
87 The thing is that our pitching was supposed to be a question mark this year. That was one of the main reasons that many people picked the Red Sox to win the division. The pitching was good for the first half of the year, but now is regressing, perhaps to what it should have been all along. Hopefully I am mistaken and the first half is their actua level.
2006-08-24 20:30:09
91.   JeremyM
Come on guys, make him work and get rid of him this inning--unless you can hit a ground-rule double:)
2006-08-24 20:30:12
92.   rsmith51
Need runs now.
2006-08-24 20:31:19
93.   Stormer Sports

I agree. That is why I pray that Joe doesn't butcher it. If we face Santana-Liriano or Chicago finds someone to step it up along with Garland, we be in big big trouble with Joe managing this club's staff.

2006-08-24 20:33:40
94.   rsmith51
Good night!

Go Yanks!

2006-08-24 20:34:30
95.   Stormer Sports
Anyone know if "The Office" is new tonight?
2006-08-24 20:34:58
96.   monkeypants
Unbelievable. What is it with this team sometimes? All of their secondary offensive stats have improved since the deadline, yet they continue to score inconsistently (except for that glorious five game series).
2006-08-24 20:35:19
97.   yankz
Did he just throw a 9 pitch inning?
2006-08-24 20:38:28
98.   Travis
86 Roger Clemens started twice in the 1986 World Series, Games 2 and 6. He had 5 days rest in between games. However, he did pitch 3 times in the ALCS, Games 1, 4, and 7.

Bruce Hurst started 3 times in the 1986, Games 1, 5, and 7 (which was originally rained out, giving Hurst a 3rd day of rest. Oil Can Boyd was originally scheduled to start.)

2006-08-24 20:39:04
99.   Simone
None of the other post-season teams have particularly great pitching so the Yankees' have a good shot with their offense.

Joe usually saves the pitcher that he considers his ace for the 3rd game which he considers critical in the event of a split in the first two. If Joe considers RJ his ace, he won't be pitching against the other team's aces anyway.

2006-08-24 20:39:12
100.   seamus
90 our pitching hasn't regressed. So far August is our 2nd best ERA for the year.
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2006-08-24 20:40:32
101.   randym77
87 I'd noticed that. Take out the Sox series, and we're an under .500 team since Crosby got DFA'd. Offense is great, and the bullpen's pretty darned good, but starting pitching and defense...not so hot.
2006-08-24 20:40:46
102.   Stormer Sports
Ichiro should ask himself why he cannot raise his OBP above .350, cannot drive in runs, spent his career to chicken shit to play center, and why he is the only player in MLB who thinks he gets to decide whether he is permited to put his first name on his fucking jersey, instead of wondering whether that was strike 3!

I'm sorry, but rules are rules, and his jersey should say Suzuki, not Inciro. It's a pet peeve of mone going back to the very brief period when players were permitted to put whatever they wanted on their backs (including ads). Maybe the third baseman for Atlanta should just come out tomorrow with Chipper on his back!

2006-08-24 20:41:49
103.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
If the Sawx give Weaver his first loss . . .

(Shaking fist at baseball gods)

2006-08-24 20:43:55
104.   Simone
103 Weaver would deserve the loss for pitching to Ortiz.
2006-08-24 20:44:27
105.   Stormer Sports

Thanks. But my pont was that Clemens started three times on three days rest during that post season because they lose otherwise. Jow would never do that, not even with a 20 year old.


Exactly! But if he needs him again on 3 days rest in a deciding game, or to come out of the pen, he'll never do it, and it's frustrating. Its right up there with calling the infield in against a reliever who broke more bats that any other that season.

2006-08-24 20:44:41
106.   yankz
101 You implying that you miss Bubba? ;)
2006-08-24 20:45:38
107.   nyyfan22
G'night fellas.
2006-08-24 20:46:30
108.   Max
We can still obviously win this game, but though Ron Burgundy's negativity can be a bit pungent, let me echo him in voicing frustration with the M's highly paid busts (Sexson, Beltre, Washburn) having their way with us this series so far.
2006-08-24 20:46:49
109.   randym77
102 But Japanese names are last name first and first name last. ;-)

Why hasn't Ichiro played CF before now? Seems like he'd be a natural.

2006-08-24 20:49:00
110.   Coco Loco
102 Well said.
2006-08-24 20:49:24
111.   monkeypants
109 Right, but his name is actually Suzuki Ichiro. His father (according to wikipedia) is Suzuki Nobuyuki.
2006-08-24 20:49:46
112.   Simone
105 Didn't Mussina come out of the pen on 3 days rest for game 7 of the 2003 ALCS against Boston? I am pretty sure that he did.

Besides if the Yankees ever needed RJ on 3 days rest, it is a guarantee that the series is lost anyway.

2006-08-24 20:50:30
113.   yankz
Is that an official rule? Then how come the Yankees are exempt?
2006-08-24 20:53:46
114.   Coco Loco
113 The rules do not require names on the back of jerseys. The Yankees therefore do not require an exemption.
2006-08-24 20:54:03
115.   randym77
106 I guess I do...particularly when Joe puts Bernie in as LIDR or Nick Green as a pinch runner. :-P

But no, that's not what I meant. It just seemed like a turning point of sorts. Several people here have noted that. Not that I think it's related; it's just a convenient marker.

2006-08-24 20:54:16
116.   monkeypants
I don't believ there are any official rules. Teams determine whether their uniforms will have names. I assume they can also determine what names will be used, though perhaps the league has some rules for this.
2006-08-24 20:54:29
117.   Travis
105 I agree, I've always been frustrated by Torre's reluctance to break his rotation in the post-season, especially in Games 4-7 of the ALCS in 2004 (Mussina should have started Game 4, and no one can convince me otherwise). However, he has used starters on less rest in relief situations in do-or-die games, sometimes good (El Duque in 2000, Mussina in 2003, Johnson in 2005) and sometimes bad (Wells in 2003, Vazquez in 2004).
2006-08-24 20:55:02
118.   Max
RJ hasn't quit. The offense, though, is another they have it in them to wake up for the last few innings?
2006-08-24 20:55:33
119.   Travis
114 Baseball rule 1.11:

"(i) A league may provide that the uniforms of its member teams include the names of its players on their backs. Any name other than the last name of the player must be approved by the League President. If adopted, all uniforms for a team must have the names of its players. "

2006-08-24 20:57:37
120.   monkeypants
You know the game is dragging when...

From the Official MLB rules:

(a) (1) All players on a team shall wear uniforms identical in color, trim and style, and all players uniforms shall include minimal sixinch numbers on their backs. (2) Any part of an undershirt exposed to view shall be of a uniform solid color for all players on a team. Any player other than the pitcher may have numbers, letters, insignia attached to the sleeve of the undershirt. (3) No player whose uniform does not conform to that of his teammates shall be permitted to participate in a game.
(b) A league may provide that (1) each team shall wear a distinctive uniform at all times, or (2) that each team shall have two sets of uniforms, white for home games and a different color for road games.
(c) (1) Sleeve lengths may vary for individual players, but the sleeves of each individual player shall be approximately the same length. (2) No player shall wear ragged, frayed or slit sleeves.
(d) No player shall attach to his uniform tape or other material of a different color from his uniform.
(e) No part of the uniform shall include a pattern that imitates or suggests the shape of a baseball.
(f) Glass buttons and polished metal shall not be used on a uniform.
(g) No player shall attach anything to the heel or toe of his shoe other than the ordinary shoe plate or toe plate. Shoes with pointed spikes similar to golf or track shoes shall not be worn.
(h) No part of the uniform shall include patches or designs relating to commercial advertisements.
(i) A league may provide that the uniforms of its member teams include the names of its players on their backs. Any name other than the last name of the player must be approved by the League President. If adopted, all uniforms for a team must have the names of its players.

2006-08-24 20:58:14
121.   randym77
Ichiro robs Nick Green, but he can't rob Johnny D.
2006-08-24 20:58:31
122.   monkeypants
119 Damn you, Travis!

Damn you, Ichiro!

Yeah, Damon!

2006-08-24 20:58:40
123.   singledd
Amazing play by Ichiro
2006-08-24 20:58:49
124.   Travis
120 Beat you by 2 minutes. ;)
2006-08-24 20:59:02
125.   The Bear
102 Here is the thing... Ichiro is the superstar of Japan... the hero of Japan... the king of hitting, and the Last name Suzuki is one of the top three most common last names in Japan. If he put suzuki on his jersey, then it lost the sense of specialty over Japan, which is also a major marketing place for the Mariners. So, by putting Ichiro on his jersey, it distinguish him away from the like 20 million Japanese out there... and by that the team can get more moeny...
2006-08-24 20:59:13
126.   Coco Loco
120 There are multiple teams (Boston, Mets (I think), Giants) with exemptions from the last sentence of subd. (i) of that rule.
2006-08-24 20:59:42
127.   yankz
Ok, Mateo in, this ends now.
2006-08-24 21:00:53
128.   Stormer Sports

It's not that he would never ever do it, he just waits until its too late.

Is there anyone here who really thinks Brown gave us the best chance to win that series? Moose on 3 days, Duque who was a question mark but well rested. Hell, I'd take Duque in a game 7 right now with confidence tha the game wouldn't get out of hand. Clemens isnt a stud because pitched well when he was 25 in big games, but because he did so when he wasn't. I guess I just see it coming. I see it when Joe drags Proctor out there when he doesn't need to, but I also see Joe trotting out Jaret Wright or Cory LIdle to start a game 7 when he has Wang or Moose on short rest.

He always seems to manage the post season like its a given that they will play the next game. In the playoffs, your job is to try to put together a solid plan, of course, but your job is most importantly to win the game that you are playing, period!

Most recently, if coaches and managers had done that, the Dallas Mavericks are NBA Champs, and the Yankees win or lose in the 2004 World Series, but they don't lose to Boston.

2006-08-24 21:01:20
129.   Travis
126 No one has an exemption from that sentence, which means that all players on a team must have nameplates if one of them does. Whether a given team chooses to have names is left up to that teams, because neither the AL nor NL has mandated names.
2006-08-24 21:02:18
130.   yankz
I feel totally dumb to ask this, but how do you read the clock next to posts? Is it military time, west coast?
2006-08-24 21:02:26
131.   monkeypants
Come on Jeter, you can do better than that.
2006-08-24 21:02:28
132.   Coco Loco
125 But he's the only Mariner named Suzuki. As far as jerseys go, a Mariners jersey with Suzuki on it is unique. No distinction, therefore, is necessary.

Of course, you are right about the money. Allowing him to defile his jersey was all about selling replicas in Japan.

2006-08-24 21:03:25
133.   Travis
128 Mussina would have had only 1 day of rest in Game 7; El Duque would have had 2.
2006-08-24 21:03:36
134.   JeremyM
117 Travis, this brings up too many bad memories but the call to not start Mussina in game 4 was so bad, and the idea that Torre was "saving him for a game 5" which was his exact stated reason was a bad one. The way the Yanks were rolling why even mention a game 5?
2006-08-24 21:05:33
135.   Coco Loco
129 I meant that those teams have multiple jerseys, some of which have names, while others do not. For example, Boston has a road jersey with names and a home jersey without names.
2006-08-24 21:06:44
136.   Coco Loco
130 Both.
2006-08-24 21:06:46
137.   Travis
134 Yup, it was the decision from which the subsequent bad decisions followed. I mention Games 5-7 only because they actually happened (though not in my blocked memories).
2006-08-24 21:07:50
138.   Travis
135 I don't think the sentence covers both home and away jerseys; it just means that everyone must have the same type of jersey in a given game.
2006-08-24 21:08:39
139.   monkeypants
135 It doesn't matter. The rules only mandate that teams carry numbers. The team can choose to have names or not; if they have multiple uniform styles, these can have names or not. The rule only only mandates that if names are used that day, all players must have names on the uni's (and it must be the last name, unless an exemption is granted).
2006-08-24 21:08:56
140.   The Bear
132 Alright.. think about this way.. if you are a japanese... and you walk on the street with a mariner jersey...and the name is suzuki.. which is a name that 20 million other japanese also have... there maybe a ton of players playing in the japanese baseball league also name blah suzuki.. so i think its just a way to distinguish him out of the ordinary, and that he prefers to do it from the first day he became a pro player
2006-08-24 21:09:28
141.   JeremyM
137 I should mention that I think the loss of Olerud certainly didn't help as Clark, other than that double, was just awful. Anyway, that's all spilled milk under the bridge.
2006-08-24 21:09:41
142.   yankz
136 Thanks
2006-08-24 21:10:09
143.   Travis
Josh Beckett leaving with some sort of injury up 2-0 in the 7th. Looks like a blister (first of the year?).
2006-08-24 21:10:40
144.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I cannot believe the Halos are getting shut down by Home-Run Josh.
2006-08-24 21:11:29
145.   Travis
141 Agreed, and I also agree that I don't want to talk about that series ever again.
2006-08-24 21:12:22
146.   JeremyM
The good news is Anaheim isn't that good.

The bad news is they'll probably still bring it against the Yanks.

2006-08-24 21:12:46
147.   Travis
140 Ichiro could have also gone the Nene route, and legally changed his name to "Ichiro," meaning that he would automatically have that on the back of the jersey.
2006-08-24 21:13:20
148.   yankz
2004? I thought we just jumped from 03 to 05?
2006-08-24 21:14:08
149.   monkeypants
140 I think that everyone gets the rationale, but so what? Should players with the name Smith or Green get an exemption because their names are common? Or, should MLB follow the XFL, and just allow the players to put whatever they want on the unis (like Big Papi or A-Rod or He Hate Me)?
2006-08-24 21:16:29
150.   randym77
I guess the Angels are saving the offense for tomorrow. :-P
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2006-08-24 21:17:03
151.   Stormer Sports

You don't think every Rodriguez, Jones, or Johnson would like to do the same thing. Without rules and some sense of tradition, we're the NFL or NBA, and I don't want that. I understand that place of birth blah blah blah, play a role in Japanese names, but thems the breaks.

I am certaain that Latin players would have loved to have moved past the racist behavior the press exhibited towards Clemente in the beginning by printing his comments verbatim, but most clubs still refuse to pay interpreters and we have barely made one step forward in this regard. It would be a huge surprsise if a member of the press asked an Asian player who doesn't speak great English a question in English, and expected him to answer it in Enlish. (Most every club pays a full time interpreter for Asian born players) Yet no one thinks anything about the press asking Latin players questions in English that they don't fully underatand (Just as I don't fully understand Spanish, and most Asian born players don't understand English) I for one would like to hear what the player actually has to say once he completely understands the question. An articulated response instead of what we get now. It makes me feel bad to be a baseball fan every time I see it. I guess all I am aking for is fairness. MLB and the Clubs shouldn't treat Latin players like second class citizens and Asian players like royalty, simply because many Asian born players are willing to make demands on the clubs for interpreters. Is it because their skin color is as light as caucasions? The Union should have stepped up to the plate on this years ago, but they are equally to blame.

I am not a fan of ESPN, but Outside the Lines did a great piece on this if you can find it.

2006-08-24 21:17:58
152.   Max
150 Seems to be the case for us as well...10 strikeouts in 7 1/3 innings.
2006-08-24 21:18:02
153.   Stormer Sports

The team and number wouldn't distinguish him?

2006-08-24 21:19:31
154.   yankz
10 K tonight, only 2 BB. Yikes.
2006-08-24 21:19:32
155.   Travis
151 Young Asian players aren't treated like royalty (ask Wang or Hee Sop Choi, to name a couple). It's only those who come here as established stars with guaranteed major league contracts who are.
2006-08-24 21:20:17
156.   Bob Timmermann
Tying run thrown out at the plate for the Angels. 2-1 Boston in the 7th.
2006-08-24 21:20:43
157.   Travis
The Angels 3rd base coach is an idiot. 2nd and 3rd, 0 outs, down 2, he sends the runner from 2nd on a hard hit grounder to left.
2006-08-24 21:21:52
158.   Max
157 Agreed, horrible call to send him home.
2006-08-24 21:22:03
159.   Bob Timmermann

There is no out that the Angels won't run into.

2006-08-24 21:24:26
160.   monkeypants
Well, Johnson is at least eating some innings here.
2006-08-24 21:24:53
161.   randym77
157 Hopefully we can use that against them. Gun 'em down, Jorgie...
2006-08-24 21:25:08
162.   Travis
Randy Johnson, king of the 8-inning complete game.
2006-08-24 21:25:22
163.   Stormer Sports
At least its a quick game and they can take the short flight to Anaheim and get some rest.
2006-08-24 21:25:41
164.   singledd
156 with NO ONE OUT. Bad Play!
2006-08-24 21:26:05
165.   LI yankee
Is A-Rod available to pinch hit?
2006-08-24 21:26:13
166.   Travis
Napoli hits what would have been the tying sac fly with 2 outs. 2-1 Boston, end of 7.
2006-08-24 21:26:30
167.   Bob Timmermann
It's actually close to a 3-hour flight to Anaheim from Seattle.

It only looks like it should be close.

2006-08-24 21:26:34
168.   Coco Loco
155 Exactly. Just like Yanks gave El Duque an interpreter but not to every 16-year-old Spanish player they signed.
2006-08-24 21:27:13
169.   Travis
Pinch hit for Nick Green, damn the consequences if the Yanks tie or take the lead. Exception: Craig Wilson hits a tying HR.
2006-08-24 21:30:13
170.   randym77
And it's Bernie, pinch-hitting for Wilson, and A-Rod pinch-hitting for A-Rod.
2006-08-24 21:30:23
171.   Stormer Sports
I officially gave them a pass until Monday night. No complaing until then. I figure they deserve at least a week free of negativity following that Boston series.
2006-08-24 21:30:45
172.   Bob Timmermann
Ortiz grounded out 6-4-3 as he hit a grounder that pinballed through the shift.
2006-08-24 21:30:49
173.   Travis
"A-Rod pinch-hitting for A-Rod." I think I've seen that before on GameDay.
2006-08-24 21:30:58
174.   monkeypants
Bernie, LH PH.

Guiel: "OK, black coffee for Mr. Torre, cream and sugar for Mr. Mattingly. Who had the tea?"

2006-08-24 21:31:38
175.   Travis
No luck at all tonight.
2006-08-24 21:31:57
176.   randym77
I meant A-Rod pinch-hitting for Green, of course.
2006-08-24 21:32:20
177.   JeremyM
174 I think Torre would actually be the one with the tea, green I believe.
2006-08-24 21:32:57
178.   Coco Loco
174 Guiel brought Joe coffee instead of green tea; must be why he's not hitting for wilson.
2006-08-24 21:33:51
179.   Stormer Sports
What do the Umps expect of the players this year with those out side pitches, "Go-Go Gadget Arms!?"
2006-08-24 21:35:26
180.   yankz
F'n A
2006-08-24 21:35:36
181.   Stormer Sports
Putz acts like striking out Alex Rodriguez is somethig special?
2006-08-24 21:35:55
182.   JeremyM
Well, that game sucked. This team remains an enigma to me.
2006-08-24 21:36:04
183.   Simone
Eh, the Mariners were due.
2006-08-24 21:36:12
184.   randym77
Their Putz beat our Johnson.
2006-08-24 21:36:29
185.   Max
And Alex strikes out to cap off a desultory performance from the offense. Bullpen is fresh for the weekend, though.
2006-08-24 21:37:05
186.   Travis
One bad inning by Randy, some hard hit balls found gloves, and a bunch of strikeouts. I'm not concerned for the future.
2006-08-24 21:37:16
187.   monkeypants
That was dismal. I can't watch bonus coverage of the Sox game.

Of course, Figgins and company will be primed for the Yanks' arrival.

2006-08-24 21:38:48
188.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Waste of a halfway decent performance from the Big Eunuch.
2006-08-24 21:41:38
189.   Stormer Sports
Arte Moreno the savior. Let every one of your great players go, sign just one, and change your name to that of a City in which you do not play, and to that of a County in which you do not play. How are those $5 beers?
2006-08-24 21:42:46
190.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Halos score 1 off Home Run Josh, who only needs 70 pitches to cruise thru 6.

No doubt their "offense" is resting up to kick our asses this weekend.

And effin Figgins flies out on the first pitch.

That mofo was 3 for 13 in this series and did squat. Bet he goes 7 for 13 vs the Yanks and scores 7 or more runs.

2006-08-24 21:46:33
191.   randym77
Jeez. Abreu, Giambi, and Melky didn't get on base once, did they?
2006-08-24 21:56:59
192.   Stormer Sports
Here come the Los Angelos!
2006-08-24 21:59:13
193.   Max
We could actually lose another game this weekend if the Halos give us the trouble they usually do, and especially given we've got our 3 worst starters going. Meanwhile, Boston looks like they could easily take 2 out of 3 vs the Ms, if not sweep, especially since the Ms don't look to be the type of club that will work the Red Sox pitchers.

I'm actually thankful that our bullpen got a break though (outside of Villone), and the day off on Monday before we face the Tigers and Twins at home next week will be big. Everyone looks like they're dragging this week.

2006-08-24 22:00:15
194.   Stormer Sports
"The bat can't cross the plate"

Is that the rule Mr. Hudler?

2006-08-24 22:01:24
195.   Travis
194 I dread having to listen to the Angels' announcers all weekend.
2006-08-24 22:01:30
196.   Stormer Sports

You're right.

This season is far from over. Very, very, far.

2006-08-24 22:02:42
197.   Stormer Sports
Hey, at least one good thing about living in LA. No FOX blackout for me.
2006-08-24 22:12:07
198.   marc
All I can say is we were very fortunate Francona didn't start Papelbon in the 8th against us but waited until too late. He's as good as ever and if we win by one game that will be the difference
2006-08-24 22:15:35
199.   Stormer Sports

Could be very interesting. He and Mo are both pretty well rested for the stretch run. Giddy up! Next month's 4 game series is going to be "Kill or be Killed!"

2006-08-24 22:20:53
200.   marc
199 I wish that series would be relatively meaningless but I don't have much confidence about that
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2006-08-24 22:26:20
201.   Stormer Sports
Well, me too, but what fun would that be?

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