Baseball Toaster was unplugged on February 4, 2009.
Before I get into the specifics of Game 1, the guys over at NoMaas posted a very quick list of the starters' ERA+ figures that shows how evenly matched the starters are for this series. Cleaning it up a bit, it looks like this:
Game 1: Wang (118) v Johnson (65)
Game 2: Ponson (51) v Lester (115)
Game 3: Johnson (92) v Beckett (93)
Game 4: Mussina (128) v Schilling (122)
Game 5: Lidle (98*) v Wells (77)
*ERA+ with Phillies only
That chart shows what we already sort of knew, which is that the final three games are very evenly matched, while today's double-header is evenly mismatched. Given the inequity in today's pitching match-ups, Game 1 becomes unusually important for the Yankees. Because they'll be at a tremendous disadvantage in the nightcap (both because of the pitching matchup, but also because Sal Fasano will likely grab the second-game-of-a-doubleheader/night-game-before-a-day-game-start), they need to win this afternoon's contest. Of course, if they do that, then the same pressure will be applied to the Red Sox in the nightcap, but in either case, if one team gets swept today, it will need to sweep the next three days to pull out a series win.
The Yankees faced Jason Johnson in the Bronx back in mid-June when he was with the Cleveland Indians, touching him up for six runs on ten hits, including a pair of homers by Johnny Damon and Andy Phillips, in 5 2/3 innings. That was Johnson's penultimate start for Cleveland before being placed on waivers and claimed by the Red Sox. Since joining Boston, Johnson has turned in just one quality start in five tries, that coming against the post-trading deadline Devil Rays. Most recently those cheery O's tagged him for seven runs in 5 1/2 innings. All totaled, Johnson has posted a 7.20 ERA, a 1.80 WHIP, and an 0-3 record while donning the crimson hose.
As for Chien-Ming Wang, as he's passed his career high innings pitched total he's also hit something of a rough patch. Wang threw a career high 157 innings last year between the minors, majors and his lone postseason start. In his third and fourth most recent starts, both Yankee wins, Wang threw 17 scoreless innings allowing just six hits, but by the end of that stretch he had totaled 156 innings pitched on the season. In his two starts since then, both Yankee loses, he's posted this line: 10 1/3 IP, 20 H, 9 R, 2 HR, 4 BB, 4 K. That's a 7.84 ERA and a 2.32 WHIP. He's now at 166 1/3 innings pitched, a new career high.
To make matters worse, even before he got to his previous innings limit, he'd struggled on the road. Just one of those last two starts came on the road, yet his road ERA is 5.16, due in large part to a .321 opponents' batting average, which leads to a 1.60 WHIP. He's also allowed as many home runs on the road as at home despite having thrown only two-thirds as many innings away from the Bronx. This is all rather unsettling heading into something of a must-win game.
Wang has faced Boston three times this season. The first came at Fenway, where he allowed three runs on six hits and four walks in five innings. Many, including myself, argued at the time that Wang should have pitched longer in that game as he had settled down in the later innings, was victimized by several weak bloopers, and was at just 77 pitches when Joe Torre removed him from a 3-3 tie for the just-activated Aaron Small, who would go on to lose the game. The Sox then roughed Wang up but good in his next start against them at Yankee Stadium, scoring seven runs on nine hits, including a Manny Ramirez home run, in six innings. Wang got his revenge just two weeks later, however. Again pitching at home, Wang scattered eight hits while holding the Red Sox to just one run over seven innings at which point Kyle Farnsworth and Mariano Rivera shut the door on a 2-1 Yankee win. That last start and Johnson's incompetence are about the only reason's for optimism this afternoon. Here's hoping the Yankees give us a few more.
Courtesy of diligent reader Randym77, here are the line-ups:
Yankees:
L - Johnny Damon, CF
R - Derek Jeter, SS
L - Bobby Abreu, RF
L - Jason Giambi, DH
R - Alex Rodriguez, 3B
L - Robinson Cano, 2B
S - Jorge Posada, C
R - Craig Wilson, 1B
S - Melky Cabrera, LF
Red Sox:
S - Coco Crisp, CF
R - Mark Loretta, 2B
L - David Ortiz, DH
R - Manny Ramirez, LF
R - Kevin Youkilis, 1B
R - Mike Lowell, 3B
L - Eric Hinske, RF
R - Javy Lopez, C
R - Alex Gonzalez, SS
Is it too much to ask for the YES feed instead of ESPN? Now let's all pray.
I hope it is the YES feed as I live in Athens, GA and have given up ESPN for the most part as outside of a few personalities it has transpired over the last 10 years to become Stuart Scott and the others thinking they are the story....
I do miss Harold Reynolds as he was pretty knowledgable
5 Ron, you are setting yourself up for failure, demanding four of five. That is a tall order even if it were KC. Boston does have a good team, Yanks are on the road. 2 of 5 leaves NY in front, with 3 in the Bronx.
Okay, sorry, had to be done...
Hey look, an interview with "Big Papi" on ESPN! I did NOT expect that! With his ONE World Championship, he is Larry Bird, only in baseball.
Send them a letter telling them you can read and thus do not fit their market, perhaps they will send you a check and terminate the subscription
But what really gets me, and makes me root against him (besides him being a Red Sox and scaring me to death, but I have rooted for Sox before, like Nomah, who I always liked no matter what), is the media overkill, blatent bias, and ignorance of the stats. Okay, we get the point, he has hit a lot of "clutch" HRs etc. But they play him up like he is the best player in MLB, which, as we all know, is nowhere near the truth. Just looking at Cliff's earlier stat comparison proves that, since Giambi's EQA is shockingly the same. Throw in Thome, Hafner, and hell, Manny, and there are far more MVP candidates. Throw in Mauer and Jeter, and there are even more in the race. Without Manny, who knows what Ortiz's #'s would be, but I can guarantee he wouldn't get so many meatballs...
No this has all been discussed time again, I know, but it really does get in the way of enjoying a really fun player to watch...
at least i have a crappy boombox that picks up an AM broadcast of the game from 60 miles aways.
Le*CRACKLESTATICCRACKLE*t's Go Yank*crackleSTATICcrackle*ees!
Today
1pm at Boston NESN
8pm at Boston NESN
Monday
1pm at Boston NESN
8/22
10pm at Seattle FSNW
8/23
10pm at Seattle FSNW
8/24
10pm at Seattle YES
8/25
10pm at Angels FSW
8/27
3:30pm at Angels FSW
8/29
7pm Detroit YES
8/30
7pm Detroit YES
8/31
1pm Detroit YES
>> Torre said his plan was to catch Jorge Posada in Game 1 today, tomorrow and Sunday and have Sal Fasano catch the other two games.
Hideki Matsui has told Japanese reporters that he is starting to wonder whether he will play this season. <<
So Cliff has Jeter better than AGonz on Defense, but GS has it flipped? Color me confused.
Let's Go Yankees!
Teams would be forced to throw at least 4, probably 5 starters out there, so teams with 2 hot starters wouldn't have the advantage that they do now in the playoffs. It would add the March Madness intensity factor because you wouldn't have a chance to catch your breath.
I'm stuck at work today so it's Gamechannel and BB for me.
I can understand but down here in Athens, GA I got a choice between ESPN and NESN on MLB Extra Innings......So ESPN it will be..
was hoping for YES...
Without the hype, those things wouldn't bother me so much. But with the hype, they give me a couple of other excuses.
his head is Mench-esque
I think everyone should let this stiff toss 8 pitches before getting your hit off him
hopefully with the help of his "life coach" and therapist he can get it back....
he looks completely lost and was NEVER clutch or tough to start with...
The strategy has always been against them take take take take take take take take take and then be dumbfounded when they strike out on four pitches.
But here comes Manny.
Cano, 2006 runners on:
152 AB, .283/.311/.382
runners in Scoring Position:
84 AB, . 238/.283/.369
None on:
157 AB .359/.396/.561
Overall:
310 AB .326/.356/.471
DIAF Steve Phillips
Schilling and Wells don't walk a lot of people. Hell, they don't throw a lot of balls period. They're always amongst the leaders in thrown strikes and lowest walks. If you go up there looking to do nothing but take, chances are you're down 0-2.
And yeah, knocking the pitcher out is always good. But knocking out the pitcher in thr fifth with one run and 100 pitches is much less favorable than knocking him out with six runs in the second. We took and took and took and took and took and took against Javier Vazquez, and boy-o, did he throw a lot of pitches. Of course, he held us to two runs and won the game, but we got a moral victory of knocking him out after five.
DIAF Home Plate Umpire.
These guys do not throw any harder than when I was a kid 70's / 80's and guys pitched 200-300 innings regularly...Goose and Lyle came in for two inning saves...
If anything these players took worse care of themselves and were not the lifting gym rats like Fragile Farnsy who is a durable as a chocolate Easter bunny around a stoner..
It is just nonsense that Wright and these guys are commended for a 6 inning start like they should win an award..."he has heart" for 21m for 3 years what he has is a part time job...
a real joke
(thought i'd join the party)
That was a nice play.
Those not watching, he drifted over to the third base dugout after Melky's pop-up, went to the edge of the steps, reached out with his glove for the ball, caught the ball, and only then allowed his body to fall gracefully down the steps.
Beautiful piece of balletic athleticism.
Just thought I'd throw that out there. Of course, no one could have predicted 1) Lowell would have blossomed 2) recovered awesomely from testicular cancer and 3) recovered once again from a 2005 "slump"
you stay classy san diego
Hinske annoys me. He reminds me of Trot Nixon. The "do you know who I am" type of middling player.
Case in point, Hinske...infuriating...
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He's still playing Gold Glove-caliber defense, however.
Sometimes I think the secret to baseball is just so easy: hit 'em where they're pitched.
If you do that, you'll never strike out with risp and you'll likely not pop up.
Why can't our guys change their approach with 2 strikes?
Who taught these people how to play baseball, I often wonder.
Fundamentals, man.
It's ok to be a superstar yet still be able to rely on fundamentals when the occasion demands it.
I know, I'm a curmudgeon, and I'm only 33, but really, it's just exasperating to see other players do so effortlessly what our guys do rarely.
We'll see. Here comes the top of the lineup...
vs NYY: 19 AB, 2 HR, .368/.429/.737
2003-2005 overall: .250/.324/.411
vs NYY: 173 AB, 3 HR, .221/.320/.364
A year later they traded Weathers for Chad Curtis, so that's not bad.
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They are gut wrenching at times sure, but these kinds of games are what baseball is all about in my opinion. If I didn't enjoy these games, I'm not sure what games I should enjoy. An April game against the D-Rays?
Sometimes I think the secret to baseball is just so easy: hit 'em where they're pitched.
If you do that, you'll never strike out with risp and you'll likely not pop up.
Why can't our guys change their approach with 2 strikes?
Who taught these people how to play baseball, I often wonder.
Fundamentals, man.
It's ok to be a superstar yet still be able to rely on fundamentals when the occasion demands it.
I know, I'm a curmudgeon, and I'm only 33, but really, it's just exasperating to see other players do so effortlessly what our guys do rarely.
I wonder if that was the first time Jason Johnson has ever retired 8 straight batters.
Really, DIAF umpire.
I have become ESPN's bitch. I hate myself.
How did Jason swing through that pitch?
How?
confused..what do you mean "how do you know they threw as hard ? " simple Ryan, JR Richards, etc...all pumped gas...
honestly I think we are looking at guys who are concerned (probably rightfully so) more about extending their careers with 11-10 5.34 ERAs that net 3 year $9m deals rather than going all out...
How can Farnsworth not pitch two days in a row ?
How can Wright be only good for 5 innings on a great day for him...?
I realize its not cool to say that a walk isn't as good as a hit. But it is, in fact, not. A double is better than a walk. a triple is better than a walk. a homerun is better than a walk. an rbi single is better than a walk. a single that moves a man first to third is better than a walk. But walks have become sexy so no one can say that. And you know what? that doesn't even bother me as much because at least a walk is productive.
What REALLY pisses me off is this new philosophy that all that matters is the amount of pitches seen. Somehow A-Rod and Giambi's 8 pitch pop ups were more valuable to the team than a second pitch homerun.
That is crap that this guy is given a pass because he implodes after 5 innings..
There really is no expectation for this guy to become a full-time starter ever again...
He didn't have Ryan's curve, though.
I dunno we got a guy in our office using HGH and Andro and he is pretty productive and rides his bike really fast well
But I'm wondering if maybe they should have gone with Karstens instead of Beam. A guy who can go long.
I'm all for a little more positivity though.
We got a hit off Greg Maddux!
Alex hit a weak-ass grounder that amazingly found its way through the whole and then Cano hit a weak-ass chopper to get doubled up.
I'm mystified.
Jason "Walter" Johnson is settling down...what a joke
I've no beef with Wang.
Let's go YANK-ees!
I can't take this bullshit anymore. Screw this, I'm gonna watch a DVD. Hell, we all know these fucktards will blow this thing.
He is behind every hitter. He is unbelievably shaky today, and yet he has gone unscathed in terms of giving up a run.
I just hope that he keeps somehow not giving up a run.
who is this guy? and what did he do to Hinske?
That sideways hat thing went out like two years ago.
Love
Me.
I just did, but it didn't matter, tie ballgame.
Wang is throwing like crap today, and Yankees are hitting like crap.
I would be amazed if the Yankees end up winning this one.
And I can't believe I know that...
the giambi K was great (junk, junk, fastball, junk, fastball).
now, lets go and get this over with with a nice rally here!! I'm looking at you wilson!! look at the new guy from the red sox, let's go!
Damn!
And the boos rain down....
Wow, I didn't think that was going out!
Thank you, Johnnie Damon!
What is that, 19 HR?
The porn-'staches are condusive to HRs apparently.
Never, ever write a game off before its over. The 2006 Yankees (See May game vs Rangers) are perfect proof of that.
Let's go Bob-by!
Notice how Abreu hit it where it was pitched?
Notice the result?
Just saying.
:)
Mission accomplished, sort of. Starter gone early in the game. Hopefully has an impact this evening.
Now its 3-1 Yanks with 2 men on and 1 out and there's partying in the streets!
Let's keep the hope alive folks - there's a lot more baseball left to be played!
not too bad. im happy with seeing bostons middle relief in the 5th inning. where em down boys. its gonna be a long series!
OK A-Rod, its your turn!
406 With this ballpark, I'll be confident only if we have a 7-run lead into the 8th.
arod flied out, bobby at 3rd, giambi at first for cano..
Yankees need to capitalize here.
But whatever, a lead is a lead, let's keep this.
AROD - 4 LOB
Cano - 5 LOB
Rest - 0 LOB
4,5, and 6 hitters need to produce just a little bit more. at least giambi got that rbi.
AROD - 4 LOB
Cano - 5 LOB
Rest - 0 LOB
4,5, and 6 hitters need to produce just a little bit more. at least giambi got that rbi.
The Yanks should have a >3 run lead against these AAA pitchers...
That's more like it, 1-2 on Loretta.
Now, this inning is crutial for CMW.
wanger will make manny the dredhead sit the F down.
I quote, "You know Wang, from the inscrutable east..."
Meanwhile, homerun by Manny because Wang didn't get the call that led Sterling to comment on his racial characteristics.
I'm fully in favor of firing that man.
OK, now its 4-2, but that's Manny for you. Gameday had all those pitches low and away - were they sinkers or not? Just wondering . . .
Nice play by A-Rod to end the inning.
4-2 Yankees.
agreed..with these two bums the Sox are rolling out there we need to rip the game open a bit and give the pen a break....
Snyder and Johnson are pure waiver trash
Terrible inning there for the Yanks..7 pitches retch...
Point taken, though.
I'm going to turn away from the computer now.
Saudi Arabia vs. British Columbia
Now you talk about a rivalry !
f--king wang.
Nice catch by Damon.
What a signing for this year, I am a total convert now.
you cannot complain about the throw...anyone was scoring on that catch
Now, I assume EDSP comes in?
We need to score a whole bunch here to chase Snyder, they need to go into their real BP in this game...
I am guessing he has not been able to get his sinker going today for most part. Hasn't done poorly considering that.
If he goes oe more inning that would be tremendous. But my guess is he will not start the seventh, with Loretta, Ortiz and Ramirez due up.
Need some more cushion now.
If A Rod hits a bomb this inning I will take back everything I have ever said about Pavano (for me to take back all I have said about A Rod will take a lot more than a 1 HR)
this 2004 issue is going to haunt us for at least a generation before the rivalry assumes it correct place of us being the hammer and them being the nail..
it is hard to live with, especially when i see these bandwagon Sox fans with their pink Sox hats who do not know who Rich Gedman is
Hinske was acquired yesterday, I believe. This is his first game with the Sox.
Basehit Abreu, first and second.
Come on Giambi!
...would love to see Arod finally come thru big time and maybe even put this game out of reach....that is ofcourse unless Jason hits into a DP.
They realised Williams was not coming back and sacrificed him to the gods
5-3 Yankees.
Nice to see, eh?
Another nice hit, another insurance run, with Manny helping the runners move up. Good stuff.
So kirribilli, hopefully not another word from you today on A-Rod.
Alex comes through, and there goes Manny being Manny!
Thank you, Alex, thank you!
/jk.
That double is the disadvantage of playing so shallow, as Manny does.
we have seen false starts before but MAYBE he is starting to come out of it...
I am glad Francona came to get Snyder as we will need that guy tomorrow...
EveryDayScottProctor
agreed....
By the way, hi to all -- I've been following the game but just logged on.
And, I'll be happy with a Cano single.
YES !!!!!!
He and Melky are just fun to watch....
Now hopefully Torre does not bring Mo in for a two inning save
Cano RBI, his numbers with RISP improving.
1000 career runs for Giambi, not bad for a guy who cannot run.
Me thinks this game is over because Francona will probably leave Delcarmen in to take a hit for the rest of the pen.
I came back to my office. What did Steve Phillips say when A-Rod came through in the clutch? So far my favorite annoying/moronic statements:
1. When A-Rod popped out, Phillips claimed he was pressing. When Ortiz did the exact same thing it was because even the best can't come through everytime.
2. There was no, I mean zero, zip mention of that diving play by A-Rod which saved at least a run and possibly Wang's start.
A-Rod is having a great game so far. 2-4, with a near miss for the HR to center and stellar, clutch defense.
gotta try and squeeze another inner (or more) to save up for the nightcap, right?
OK, our pitchers just need to pitch 3 scoreless innings and we have Game 1.
Also, he discussed how Ortiz clearly deserves the MVP because he leads in HR (a valid point) and RBIs (which is retarded) and that even though Jeter plays the field at a gold glove level, Ortiz's numbers are so much better than everyone else's he deserves to be MVP. I guess that .283 batting average counts more if you play for Boston.
Wanger is in, come on guy!
Ugh, leadoff double, Joe will def. bring in Myers here, and then Proctor for Manny, I can't watch!
here's to hoping myers looks better than he did yesterday
Nick's better on D than Andy, anyway.
I mean, as a worst case scenario, which is likely.
Maybe Myers to Dotel?
walk Manny ?
I would have liked Dotel here, just to see how he fares.
The 'Robby Curse' w/RISP seems to be broken.
We HAVE to win this one, because a loss would be unbearable.
While the Schill/Moose matchup looks even on paper, Schill has been much better in the last month. Wells has also pitched very well, as a number of unearned runs have scored in his games.
This is the BIG game of the series.
A must win.
Lets Go Yankees.
I would walk him with a 2-run lead
Nice out by Proctor
Yes, Carl Pavano has reached a special mathematical territory. Even mathematics doesn't know what to make of him.
you would go out and get someone....
the guy should be the closer in Columbus with Red Sox games circled on his calendar..
Next up, Lowell, HInske and Lopez. So should the Yankees run Proctor out again?
Perhaps, there being two games today. Better to conserve on arms if you can.
Hopefully Farns and Mo do not get used.
Lets all put our hands together for Cashman once again.
is it beam territory or should they still use the good silverware, I mean bullpen?
Are you Aaron Guiels dad ?
I am not sure how you could hate the trade when we gave up nothing....the guy was going to be a slight upgrade from Guiel and Bernie out there
So, Red Sox bullpen should be in pretty bad shape going in tomorrow if the Yankees can drive Lester off the game quickly.
Some moron keeps calling "E-Rod" at every A-Rod AB. NESN world, sigh.
i would not use rivera or farnsworth today
736 In principle, but even if Proctors closes it out, if tonight's game is close I could see Joe running him back out there. Maybe we can change his nickname to TADSP.
they still have Hensen, Timlin, Papelbon and even Tavarez for the nightcap.
I saw Foulke warming up but I think he's still not activated.
You can't let Lopez, Gonzales, Crisp, or Loretta beat you, or Hinske for that matter.
Crisp retired, Proctor strands two at scoring position.
I just saw that in my fantasy league, a rival manager just dropped Tom Glavine to pick up... Scott Proctor.
pre 2004 I am laughing now...it is a different world now
Of course, then we'll just start bitching about the second game.
D'oh!
My Red Sox fan boss just stormed out of the office. Man, is that sweet.
My Red Sox fan boss just stormed out of the office. Man, is that sweet.
Crazy, I know, but I'm playing Tony LaRussa here.
The Fenway Faithful are wasted. Ha-Ha.
Only game the lost that year?
It's 5:30am in Japan, and I woke up to 'Gameday' this 1st game about 2 innings ago. I'm tired, but thrilled to see this apparent win in the bag thanks to Johnny Damon.
Copyright True Yankee
Looking forward to the second game too. Ponson's gonna pull a Leiter. That's the new expression for a piece of crap pitcher coming into Fenway in a Yankee uniform and defying all logic to win a game.
Steve Phillips is the greatest GM of all time, all freaking time. You can ask him, he'll tell you.
He got the error, but it could have happened to anyone. Just lost it in the sun.
This result makes my decision easy. With less pressure to win the nightcap, I can, with good conscience, go see some Mother F---in snakes on a Mother F---in plane!
Can we see Beam now please?
How many years until we're allowed to start the '2004' chant?
Though maybe Johnson pitched well enough to save his job...
let's hope the relievers for tonight also get a high work out
And I never said the Yankees were going to lose toay, anywhere. I just said that their early performance was unacceptable. They proved me wrong, but I would like to think it, clearly, has something to do with my urging them on...Some people root in some ways, others in other ways. Something very unique to the east coast is their live and die by baseball mentality, and living here in SoCal, I long for that back...
Where's Mattpat11, with the doubting of working the pitch counts? Grind it out boys, grind it out.
I REALLY hope the other 4 are just like this.
Come on, keep batting, get JD his double for the cycle!
So are you guys trying to tell me that they might activate Folk?
OK, T.J. Beam has a perfect opportunity to just pitch a 1-2-3 inning.
Like a troll.
all equals to
900 posts on Bronx Banter.
Ugh, come on TJ, just end this...Don't temp Joe...
4 from Ponson
2 from Villone
1 from Farnsworth
1 from Dotel
1 from Mo
Double header sweep, 12-4; 7-5
See you all later.
YANKEES WIN.. THEEEEE YANKEEEEEES WIN!!
Let's discuss a solution for the middle east
Dunno who else we could have called up, though.
Nice Win!!! 209 sawx pitches. OUCH.
anyway, great win here. must make them pay tonight!!
Fine W, gents. I'll probably miss the 2nd game. I'm heading to meet my new niece. She must be a good luck charm!
Go Yanks!
So we won the game we were supposed to win, and very nicely at that. Now let's see how the Sox do with the game they're supposed to win. They saved their "best" relievers, and we're going to be throwing out arguably the worst pitcher on either team (though Seanez and Tavarez are close). Should be interesting if we can find a way to get to Lester.
1 down, four to go :-))
Missed the end of this game, had to leave work & go walk the dog. Now I'm going to miss the nightcap, got tix for the Mudhens game.
Go Yankees!
He was supposed to get some news today
Ponson starts to get blown out early and he should be brought another glove by Guidry to allow him to toss with his left arm...
Torre can send the entire pen to Daisy Buchanans on Newbury St. to watch the nightcap and get some rest....then Ponson's bloated carcass can be DFA in the morning
So transparent, Worldwide Leader. We'll play your game.
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Woohooooo! 1 down 4 to go!
For the rest of the posts, we should debate whether I should
A) Stay in my apartment and watch the NESN feed of game 2 on mlb.tv
B) Go see Snakes on a Plane
/sarcasm
If one sox player gives another sox player a footrub, they're definately gay
mehmattski, come on, Snakes on the Plane tomorrow night....
game two, i'm ready. got the corn on the grill and burgers on the way.
Violets are blue
Lets go Yankees
I hate the Sawx.
we signed him to a minor league deal.
A: You can get a Yankee Frank in October!
last item.
Now don't go trying to create a 5,000 comment thread just to give me more busy work.
My 1000th comment would simply have thanked you all for reading and participating in this site. You help make Bronx Banter what it is.
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