Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
Every Which Way But Lose
2006-08-05 09:57
by Cliff Corcoran

Last night's game looked like it would be a cakewalk for the Yankees in the early going. Johnny Damon homered on the game's second pitch from Bruce Chen and, after Randy Johnson pitched a 1-2-3 bottom of the first, the Yankees added two more runs in the second when Miguel Cairo doubled home Chris Wilson and Melky Cabrera before Chen had recorded the inning's first out.

Cairo would move to third on a Damon fly out. But when Jeter grounded to third baseman Melvin Mora, Cairo got caught in a run down for the second out. Jeter moved to second on the play, then stole third, and Bobby Abreu followed with a four-pitch walk, but Alex Rodriguez, who had been one of two runners stranded in the first when Jorge Posada struck out, grounded out to end the inning, stranding a pair of his own. The Yankees would strand two more in the top of the third when second-inning hero Cairo struck out looking, and the Orioles would take advantage starting in the bottom of the inning.
The first three hitters in the bottom of the third, Chris Gomez, Brian Roberts and Fernando Tatis, all singled, with Tatis's hit plating Gomez with the first Baltimore run. Brian Roberts then stole third and scored on a Melvin Mora ground out to close the gap to 3-2 Yanks.

The Yankees stranded two more men in the top of the fourth and went down in order in the fifth. The Orioles then struck again with two outs in the bottom of the fifth when Tatis homered, Mora doubled, and Tejada drove Mora home. Tejada's hit should have been an easy double, but the All-Star shortstop didn't run hard out of the box all night and was nailed at second by a pinpoint Bobby Abreu throw to end the inning. Still, the Orioles had a 4-3 lead, which they would hold until the top of the seventh.

With one-out in the seventh, Jason Giambi worked an eight-pitch walk against Baltimore reliever Chris Britton. Jorge Posada followed with a single, and Craig Wilson slapped a pitch up and over the plate into the right field corner for his second double of the night to score Giambi and knot the score at 4-4. With Wilson at second, Melky Cabrera was intentionally walked (!) and Joe Torre sent Bernie Williams in to hit for Cairo against the righty Britton. Coming into the game, Bernie was 0 for 8 with a walk and a hit by pitch as a pinch-hitter this year and made it 0 for 9 by popping out on the second pitch he saw. Johnny Damon then hit a screaming liner right at first baseman Chris Gomez to leave the bases loaded, pushing the Yankees left-on-base total to 12 in seven innings.

Still, with the score tied, Joe Torre turned to his bullpen, which locked down, with Ron Villone and LaTroy Hawkins (just activated from the bereavement list with Kris Benson being placed on the DL to make room) trading 1-2-3 innings and Scott Proctor pitching around a four-pitch walk to Mora thanks to a double play off the bat of Tejada in the eight.

That brought on Baltimore closer Chris Ray for the top of the ninth. The 24-year-old Ray's emergence as one of the league's top closers has been one of the few highlights of another awful season in Baltimore, but on this night he just didn't have it. Jason Giambi lead off by lining a ball into shallow right that would have been an easy single if not for an outstanding backhanded play by Brian Roberts, who was playing short field as part of the shift. Jorge Posada then launched Ray's next pitch into the night for what would prove to be the game-winning homer.

That would be all the Yankees would need, as Mariano shut the door in the ninth to wrap up the 5-4 win. With that the Yankees have tied their longest winning streak of the year, and look to win six in a row for the first time this season with a win in today's late afternoon game.

Taking the hill for the Yanks is Mike Mussina, who, by my count, has ten starts left in which to get the seven wins he'd need to reach 20 for the first time in his near-Hall of Fame career. His opposite number will be rookie lefthander Adam Loewen. Loewen completed six full innings for the first time in his major league career in his last start, a loss to the Mariners. Overall he has a 6.44 ERA and an ugly 5.90 BB/9.

In other news, Randy Johnson didn't record a single strike out last night, making it just the second time in his career that he'd failed to strike out a batter in consecutive starts. Of course Johnson's last start lasted just 3 1/3 innings and he struck out 18 in his two starts before that. Johnson also did not issue a walk last night.

Before the game Bubba Crosby was designated for assignment to allow Joe Torre to expand his bullpen to seven men in the wake of Kyle Farnsworth being hit on the pitching hand by a comebacker on Thursday (though he should be available today). Bubba reportedly left in a huff, but the writing was on the wall. With Wilson able to shift into the outfield and Cairo available to pinch run once Robinson Cano returns to the team on Tuesday (after a strong showing in Trenton last night he remains on schedule), the only thing Crosby offered the team was a supirior glove at all three outfield positions. But with Cabrera, Damon and Abreu, the Yankees have little need for a late-game defensive replacement in the outfield, save for those days when Bernie is given the start in center to rest the perpetually achy Damon. Wisely, the Yankees realized that such an occurrence would be a rare enough event that devoting a roster spot to it would be of little use. What's more, if they prove to be wrong, Aaron Guiel provides a far more valuable alternative, as he actually brings a useful lefty bat to the table as well.

As for Veras, he had a brief stay on the roster earlier in the year when Kyle Farnsworth's back first acted up. He didn't appear in any games then and has yet to make his major league debut. With Columbus, however, he's been just shy of outstanding, posting a 2.73 ERA wile striking out 9.91 men per nine innings and walking just over 3 per nine. Coming into this season, walks were his big problem. If that issue is indeed resolved, the 25-year-old Veras, who signed with the Yankees as a free agent before this season, could prove to be a valuable addition to the organization.

Comments (282)
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2006-08-05 12:32:58
1.   randym77
You know, there's really not much suspense these days about the lineup:

J Damon CF
D Jeter SS
B Abreu RF
A Rodriguez 3B
J Giambi DH
J Posada C
C Wilson 1B
M Cabrera LF
M Cairo 2B

Looks like 1B is Craig Wilson's to lose. And Abreu has solidified ownership of his favored three-hole.

2006-08-05 13:10:10
2.   seamus
1 lots of stability in the lineup all of a sudden. I like it! Once Cano is back I won't feel bad about a single spot in the lineup.
2006-08-05 13:11:31
3.   yankeemonkey
Abreu's throw last night to nail Tejada was a thing of beauty....What a welcome sight that was. All hail St. Cashman!
2006-08-05 13:12:11
4.   Ron Burgundy
Wow. We actually have a stable, solid, unified line-up. Hell, even when we don't score now, we still grind the hell out of the pitchers, so it's all good. With Moose going today, we HAVE to win.
2006-08-05 13:14:10
5.   BklynBmr
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank MLB's Extra Innings Package, which promises every game, every day, for yet again blacking out my Saturday New York Yankees broadcast. Keep up the good work, you guys are the best!
2006-08-05 13:18:39
6.   BklynBmr
4 I do not want to see one second of drama today unless it's Moose taking a no-no into the 9th. We have to thump this team and that lineup provides no excuses. Everybody hits today!

Let's go Yan-kees!

2006-08-05 13:36:47
7.   Ron Burgundy
Oh thank God, Singleton said we have already seen this pitcher. Whew...
2006-08-05 13:38:08
8.   Stormer Sports

Tell me about it. I am stuck watching Angels/Texas. Hey, at least we get to watch Boston fall 2 back later, once the Yankees wipe the mat with the O's.

Let's go Yankees! Let's go Moose! Let's Go!

2006-08-05 13:39:07
9.   Stormer Sports
I never thought I would say this, but Rex Hudler is better than Jim Palmer. Ugh!
2006-08-05 13:42:52
10.   Stormer Sports
Run Forrest Run!
2006-08-05 13:43:04
11.   Ron Burgundy
This pitcher is pissing me off.
2006-08-05 13:44:50
12.   Ron Burgundy
2006-08-05 13:45:02
13.   Stormer Sports
Way to work the count Alex.
2006-08-05 13:46:14
14.   randym77
Oh, crap. Jeter, you gotta quit sliding in head first.
2006-08-05 13:46:25
15.   Stormer Sports
Two stranded runners and counting.
2006-08-05 13:46:40
16.   Ron Burgundy
First, Jeter was safe according to the replay.

Second, DIAF Melvin Mora.

2006-08-05 13:47:05
17.   Stormer Sports
Wait, he attempted to steal third, why?
2006-08-05 13:47:26
18.   Ron Burgundy
13 He hit a BULLET into LF that the little bitch Fahey made a diving catch on. Why do you think I told Fahey to DIAF?
2006-08-05 13:47:33
19.   Stormer Sports
Was he safe, well, did the replay show that he was safe?
2006-08-05 13:48:07
20.   Ron Burgundy
17 Because it was there for the taking, and he stole it. But the 3B umpire called Jeter out just for the fun of it.
2006-08-05 13:48:35
21.   Stormer Sports
James T. Kirk had Kahn, and Major League Baseball fans have FOX.

FOX!!!! FOX!!!!

2006-08-05 13:49:10
22.   Ron Burgundy
Basically, we should still be batting if not for that bitch Fahey and the B.S. out called at 3B.
2006-08-05 13:50:06
23.   randym77
I don't think Jeter was safe, to be honest. The bag was well blocked.
2006-08-05 13:50:26
24.   Stormer Sports
But wait, Jim Palmer says we get those calls. The Umps have been as bad this year as I have ever seen them. Not only missing calls, but consistently being out of position to even make the call.
2006-08-05 13:52:02
25.   Stormer Sports
Let's Go Moose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4 Across: Pitched No Hitter for Yankees in 2006.

2006-08-05 13:52:21
26.   Stormer Sports
Or Not.
2006-08-05 13:52:37
27.   seamus
23 he was never tagged out but I don' tthink he ever touched the base either. what would you call that?
2006-08-05 13:53:15
28.   seamus
stormer - why are you jinxing moose?
2006-08-05 13:53:22
29.   Stormer Sports
Who is starting for Epstein's Bitches today?
2006-08-05 13:53:50
30.   Coco Loco
Arguably, Mora blocked 3B so Jeter should be safe automatically.
2006-08-05 13:54:29
31.   Stormer Sports

That is the rule, correct?

2006-08-05 13:55:10
32.   BklynBmr
29 Lardass.
2006-08-05 13:55:19
33.   Ron Burgundy
Don't mess with the PoPo!
2006-08-05 13:55:36
34.   Ron Burgundy
32 Which one?
2006-08-05 13:57:54
35.   BklynBmr
34 Good point, LOL! The one who got punked by the 5'9" 140 pounder, then was in tears on the 911 call...
2006-08-05 13:58:33
36.   Bama Yankee
Thanks bobtaco if you are out there, it worked... You are the man.
2006-08-05 13:58:49
37.   Stormer Sports


2006-08-05 13:59:09
38.   bobtaco
36 Cool, I am in too...
2006-08-05 14:00:51
39.   Ron Burgundy
OH boy...
2006-08-05 14:00:52
40.   BklynBmr
37 Yes. His second start since coming off DL...
2006-08-05 14:02:28
41.   Ron Burgundy
They're lost again, wonderful.

Against another pitcher with an ERA above 6.00 no less.

Whatever, they otta get to him eventually.

2006-08-05 14:03:31
42.   Mattpat11
Is this the second "No one can hit the God awful pitcher" game in a row?
2006-08-05 14:04:18
43.   Mattpat11
This ump will call thw wide strike but not the low one. Thats sort of odd.
2006-08-05 14:05:10
44.   Ron Burgundy
I hate Tejada.
2006-08-05 14:06:02
45.   Stormer Sports

Why? Because he hits the way Arod is supposed to?

2006-08-05 14:06:51
46.   Ron Burgundy
God Dammit.
2006-08-05 14:07:20
47.   Mattpat11

"Five game hitting streak" They sat the man down because of a lefty pitcher yesterday. The streak should be broken.

2006-08-05 14:08:04
48.   Ron Burgundy
45 No (Same # RBIs, A-Rod got more HRs), I hate him because the last time any of our pitchers got him out was somewhere back in 2003.
2006-08-05 14:08:11
49.   Mattpat11
45 He doesn't have the HR. He's way the hell down this year too.
2006-08-05 14:08:56
50.   Stormer Sports
He also doesn't have anyone getting on base for him.
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2006-08-05 14:09:36
51.   Mattpat11
this strikezone is over to the left a bit.
2006-08-05 14:12:01
52.   Stormer Sports
"In my day we didn't have bases, we had rocks"

I am not a big fan of commercials, but that line makes me laugh every time.

2006-08-05 14:12:46
53.   Mattpat11
20 pitch inning so far
2006-08-05 14:13:02
54.   Ron Burgundy
I don't know why, but I flat out HATE games in Camden Yards. They always take 4 hours, are always some kind of ugly game, and the O's uniforms make the ambient lighting look like crap.
2006-08-05 14:13:11
55.   Mattpat11
52 Ozzie's reaction makes it.
2006-08-05 14:13:49
56.   Ron Burgundy
DIAF Patterson.
2006-08-05 14:13:52
57.   Stormer Sports


2006-08-05 14:14:31
58.   Mattpat11
54 Yankee Orioles games take 4 hours at the Stadium too.
2006-08-05 14:15:25
59.   Mattpat11
where the hell was that?

Has there ever been a pitcher as good as Mussina squeezed like he has been?

2006-08-05 14:15:34
60.   Ron Burgundy
58 But at least it's on the Stadium. I don't like those either though. But at Camden Yards, it's pure boredom hell.
2006-08-05 14:17:07
61.   Ron Burgundy
This is why I hate this park. No matter who pitches, they walk the ballpark and the game takes forever.
2006-08-05 14:17:14
62.   Stormer Sports
Ruh Roh Scooby. 40+ after the second. I smell Sir Sidney.
2006-08-05 14:17:43
63.   Mattpat11
60 I once went to a Yankees/Os game at the stadium that Duque pitched. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO boring.
2006-08-05 14:18:33
64.   Stormer Sports
It wouldn't be so boring if the Yankees scored some runs.
2006-08-05 14:19:32
65.   Stormer Sports
Walking the number nine hitter?
2006-08-05 14:19:58
66.   Mattpat11
That AB was awful, but the ump FUCKED him for the last couple batters
2006-08-05 14:20:22
67.   mickey1956
Mussina's e.r.a. in June and July is 4.93 and 4.22. Is he a concern now?
2006-08-05 14:20:30
68.   Ron Burgundy
64 Don't ya know, the Canadien O's pitcher will come out next inning and be fresher than a newborn after this long half-inning and mow down 15 Yankees in a row with at least 8 strikeouts.
2006-08-05 14:22:11
69.   Mattpat11
This strikezone is alive. Its moving around. First two pitches on Roberts weren't strikes based on what we've seen today
2006-08-05 14:22:16
70.   Stormer Sports

The problem with Moose, as Yogi would say, is that 90% of his issues are 100% mental.

2006-08-05 14:23:16
71.   Mattpat11
67 4.22 is less than three runs in 6 innings.
2006-08-05 14:25:28
72.   Ron Burgundy
God Damn It. Moose is toast.
2006-08-05 14:25:57
73.   Mattpat11
Unbelievable. If the Yankees do not put up a 6 spot on one of the worst pitchers in the league next inning they should be ashamed.
2006-08-05 14:26:12
74.   Ron Burgundy
Just pray our offense is still awake next inning, people.
2006-08-05 14:26:20
75.   Stormer Sports
Well, this should end the debate. Wang is cearly our best pitcher.
2006-08-05 14:26:53
76.   SF Yanks
Hey Bobtaco, are you on here? I need some help. Just got home and cant get it to work.
2006-08-05 14:27:50
77.   Stormer Sports
Just get out of the inning. Jesus! Get your head in the game and stop worrying about Roberts!
2006-08-05 14:28:25
78.   mickey1956
71 That is true, but he has had back to back mediocre months. The Yankees need the good Moose and Wang if they want to go far in the postseason. I've given up on Randy being good then.
2006-08-05 14:28:38
79.   Ron Burgundy
Holy Shit, Moose threw 42 pitches that half-inning.
2006-08-05 14:28:52
80.   Mattpat11
Mussina is a big boy. If he has 92 pitches through five, we DO NOT PULL HIM.
2006-08-05 14:29:12
81.   bobtaco
76 I'll email you in a second...
2006-08-05 14:30:15
82.   Mattpat11
78 Less than three runs in six innings is not mediocre.
2006-08-05 14:30:52
83.   Ron Burgundy
Wonderful. Offense pumping on all cylinders.
2006-08-05 14:31:23
84.   seamus
we're not working this guy at all!
2006-08-05 14:31:23
85.   Stormer Sports

We have to. I'd be tempted to skip his next start if I'm Joe, get him some rest. WE have days off, he doesn't have to run him out there. We need him all season and PS, let the guy recharge his batteries.

Angels are pounding a pitcher much better than Loewen.

2006-08-05 14:31:31
86.   Stormer Sports

We have to. I'd be tempted to skip his next start if I'm Joe, get him some rest. WE have days off, he doesn't have to run him out there. We need him all season and PS, let the guy recharge his batteries.

Angels are pounding a pitcher much better than Loewen.

2006-08-05 14:31:46
87.   pmarcig
Does anyone know where you can get current season stats for GWRBI, and splits for hitting in late innings or early innings, men on, etc.?
2006-08-05 14:33:11
88.   randym77
Arrghhh. Good thing Cano's coming back soon...
2006-08-05 14:34:31
89.   Mattpat11
Are the Yankees unaware that this is one of the worst pitchers in the league? Or do they choose to ignore it?
2006-08-05 14:35:10
90.   Ron Burgundy
89 See: Chen, Bruce.
2006-08-05 14:35:56
91.   Mattpat11
Nice effort there Johnny! Way to go!
2006-08-05 14:36:07
92.   Stormer Sports
Just wait until we face Boomer and he no-hits us.
2006-08-05 14:40:55
93.   Ron Burgundy
Oh, DIAF already Tejada.
2006-08-05 14:41:18
94.   phee
what happened to Cairo? Did he get hurt? Gameday says Nick Green came in to play 2nd.
2006-08-05 14:41:40
95.   mehmattski
Just "tuning" in now, and by that I mean Gameday since Durham NC is in the O's "sphere of inlfuence."

Someone mentioned the Angels game. If its true that the O's rejected a trade of Ervin Santana for Tejada, the O's are insane, and that's all there is to it. He's plowing through the Texas lineup right now.

Its truly amazing how reactionary the crowd in here is. Do you not remember the last week, the winning streak, Opening Day Part Two, the end of Bubba Crosby's Yankeedom? Its baseball, there are clunkers like Mussina's 42 pitch inning, from time to time. Let's keep things positive!

2006-08-05 14:42:02
96.   Ron Burgundy
94 Pulled a hammy or a calf, or something.
2006-08-05 14:42:28
97.   SF Yanks
81 Thank you very much... I did everything the same, but just couldn't get it to work... And an 0-3 deficit
2006-08-05 14:43:13
98.   phee
Really Ron Burgundy, did they say that? Thanks for the info.
2006-08-05 14:43:24
99.   Stormer Sports

Torre must be salivating. He gets to bring up another garbage pitcher.

2006-08-05 14:44:01
100.   Stormer Sports
Is there anyone up in the bullpen?
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2006-08-05 14:44:22
101.   Mattpat11
92 Well, you see, we employ the extremely effective strategy against Wells where we take everything and strike out on four pitches because he doesn't throw balls.

We use it against Schilling too.

2006-08-05 14:44:27
102.   bobtaco
97 So you are in now, and enjoying this debacle?
2006-08-05 14:46:26
103.   BklynBmr
You mean to tell me this Loewen stiff is tossing a shutout against the Yanks?
2006-08-05 14:46:45
104.   Ron Burgundy
101 The lack of foul balls and gridning out at-bats also doesn't help. Once they're down 0-2, they just give up and swing at anything.
2006-08-05 14:47:01
105.   Bama Yankee
97 You're not missing much SF Yanks, not only is the game going badly but the O's announcers are in rare form (Jim Palmer used to be good, but I guess Tim McCarver rubbed off on him when they were together back at ABC).
2006-08-05 14:47:17
106.   SF Yanks
102 Good to go. Not enjoying.
2006-08-05 14:47:32
107.   mehmattski
102 What's the trick to watching the games in network? Despite being 250 miles from Baltimore, I'm banned from seeing Yankees-Os games on Can you help, please?
2006-08-05 14:47:50
108.   Mattpat11
Okay, this is the inning. We need to pick up Mussina and get him 14.
2006-08-05 14:49:40
109.   Mattpat11
104 Well why do they HAVE to be down 0-2? This idea that you have to take take take take take on every pitcher we face is absurd.
2006-08-05 14:49:49
110.   Ron Burgundy
Great start to the inning. I expected this if Wright was pitching for us and Bedard for the Oreos. But we have Mussina going and they got some douchebag from Canada with an ERA over 6.00. And yet, they're slowly and gently sodomizing Moose and our offense is lost against one of the worst pitchers in baseball.
2006-08-05 14:50:17
111.   SF Yanks
Frustration... building...and building...
2006-08-05 14:50:46
112.   Mattpat11
At least we're not being not hit.
2006-08-05 14:50:48
113.   Mattpat11
At least we're not being not hit.
2006-08-05 14:51:45
114.   Ron Burgundy
2006-08-05 14:52:06
115.   Ron Burgundy
2006-08-05 14:52:58
116.   Mattpat11
I hate them all.

Wouldn't want to pass up on that WALK, right Alex? You could have hit that pitch 800 miles, but maybe the umpire had something in his eye and he missed that pitch right down and you could have WALKED. Because lord knows a WALK is as good as a booming double.

2006-08-05 14:53:05
117.   Stormer Sports
Oh well. Maybe the FOX blackout is a blessing this year. At least I don't have to watch the team get killed every Saturday.
2006-08-05 14:54:15
118.   randym77
I wonder if they'll bring Robby back early. He's doing pretty well in Trenton.
2006-08-05 14:55:00
119.   Stormer Sports
I think it's time to move Arod to the 2 hole, Giambi to 4, Abreu to 5th. It seems like common sense to me, but what do I know. It worked before, why do it again, right Joe?
2006-08-05 14:55:28
120.   Mattpat11
Well, something went right.
2006-08-05 14:55:42
121.   Ron Burgundy
Suck It Patterson.
2006-08-05 14:56:04
122.   brockdc
Is it me, or does the entire team look hung over?
2006-08-05 14:56:16
123.   bobtaco
107 If you are in the geographic blackout area, I don't think there is anything you can do.
2006-08-05 14:56:35
124.   Mattpat11
Maybe the loss of the spunky and scrappy and gritty Bubba Crosby has the team in mourning.
2006-08-05 14:58:54
125.   randym77
The Curse of the Bubbino?

Nah, if that were it, it would be Damon with the bad hammy, and we'd be looking at a month of Bernie Williams in CF every day.

2006-08-05 14:59:02
126.   brockdc
124 I know he's practically worthless, but I somehow dig Bubba.
2006-08-05 14:59:47
127.   Stormer Sports

That's almost as bad as 120 games with Arod clogging up the 4 spot.

2006-08-05 15:02:59
128.   Bama Yankee
125 Good one, Randym
2006-08-05 15:03:10
129.   Mattpat11
I don't understand this strikezone.
2006-08-05 15:03:21
130.   randym77
Looks like Andruw Jones isn't going anywhere. Lotta drama over nothing, including from him. He was really offended at being put on waivers.

They're talking about Pavano playing in some minor league games. Will wonders never cease...

2006-08-05 15:03:52
131.   SF Yanks
These O's announcers complain more than anyone else I've ever heard. They should truly, truly (kidding aside) be fired.
2006-08-05 15:04:28
132.   Stormer Sports

Well then he is a jackass. He had to know he was going on waivers.

2006-08-05 15:04:41
133.   Ron Burgundy
Oh, for hell's sake.
2006-08-05 15:05:03
134.   Mattpat11
Loewen is really, really bad, right? I'm not making this up?
2006-08-05 15:05:32
135.   Stormer Sports

They are complaining even though they are winning and one hitting us? What does Jim want, more Jockeys for life?

2006-08-05 15:06:21
136.   Bama Yankee
130 Pavano??? Doesn't ring a bell...
2006-08-05 15:06:48
137.   Ron Burgundy
GTG Hombres. I will be back in a couple of hours. Stay Classy.
2006-08-05 15:06:52
138.   randym77
132 He said he didn't. He said they should have called him and told him, instead of letting him find out by seeing it on TV. They said waivers are confidential, and they couldn't tell him.
2006-08-05 15:07:09
139.   Mattpat11
2006-08-05 15:08:15
140.   Stormer Sports

They're right. he doesn't underatsnd a. the way waivers work, and b. the team he plays for and its current ownership. He was a punk in 1996 and he is a punk in 2006.

2006-08-05 15:09:26
141.   BklynBmr
118 Oakland A's just called up D'Angelo Jimenez. It was reported that when Texas released Jimenez in June, the Yanks expressed interest, but Jimenez didn't want to come here and sit, preferring to go to a Triple-A team. He ends up in Sacramento (River Cats) and gets called up today when they DL'd Bobby Crosby. Who gets DFA from the A's roster? Randy Keisler.
2006-08-05 15:09:29
142.   brockdc
136 He's on my AAA fantasy team.
2006-08-05 15:14:15
143.   Mattpat11
2006-08-05 15:15:34
144.   Bama Yankee
140 You're not saying that ALL MLB players from Curaçao are punks are you? Just kidding, I read last night's game thread and I could not resist...
2006-08-05 15:17:33
145.   randym77
Andruw never annoyed me as much as Chipper.
2006-08-05 15:18:23
146.   SF Yanks
4 innings to get at least 3 runs. C'mon boys, lets do this. Get 'er done!
2006-08-05 15:18:45
147.   phee
Moose 96 pitches thru 5, he should get one more.
2006-08-05 15:19:16
148.   Stormer Sports

Tell me about it. I should know better than to engage in that type of discussion. God forbid sports "journalists" refrain from making offensive statements.

2006-08-05 15:20:17
149.   Mattpat11
95 through five. Exactly what I predicted. Pretty cool. Hopefully he goes back out there.
2006-08-05 15:20:32
150.   Stormer Sports

I don't mind Chipper. He could have just stayed home and cashed his trust fund checks, but he didn't.

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2006-08-05 15:20:46
151.   C2Coke
103 Yes, BklynBmr, Loewen is still tossing a 1-hit shutout against our no suspense lineup, re: 1.

Moose is still a great pitcher, just not dominating the games like earlier on.

2006-08-05 15:21:37
152.   3rd gen yankee fan
we're toast.

(invoking the tocho jinx)

2006-08-05 15:22:00
153.   Bama Yankee
145 How can you not like good ol' Larry... (for the record, all the Braves annoy me. I am glad their run is over.)
2006-08-05 15:22:25
154.   claybeez
134 From Rotoworld

"Loewen can reach 95 mph with his fastball and his plus curveball is effective against both lefties and righties. If it all comes together for him, he could develop into one of baseball's top left-handers. However, his control comes and goes and he's dealt with shoulder troubles in the past. He's a high-risk, high-reward guy."

He ranks 35th on their midseason list. Though the list is open to debate, suffice it to say he is a prospect, not a terrible pitcher.

2006-08-05 15:23:40
155.   SF Yanks
This is the inning.
2006-08-05 15:24:37
156.   BklynBmr
151 Maybe Abreu can end both Loewen's shutout and his own HR drought...
2006-08-05 15:24:51
157.   Mattpat11
2006-08-05 15:25:33
158.   SF Yanks
or not
2006-08-05 15:25:41
159.   Bama Yankee
148 Who said that comment on BBTN? Was it Orel or Destrade? If it was Destrade, he should really know better since he spent a number of years in Japan. If it was Orel, I thought he was smarter than that.
2006-08-05 15:25:45
160.   seamus
the strike zone is reallyhelping loewen out a lot.
2006-08-05 15:26:33
161.   Stormer Sports

Destrade. Orel is smarter than that.

2006-08-05 15:26:41
162.   Mattpat11
154 Hes sucked donkey shlong this year.


If I were Joe Torre I would run this team until they drop after the game. What an ambarssing effort.

2006-08-05 15:26:52
163.   C2Coke
143 Because we choose to only hit Cy Young pitchers...

And I just can't get used to Abreu's picture on Gameday. I am sorry, but it looks like a monkey who just fled the zoo (or perhaps the plate).

2006-08-05 15:27:01
164.   seamus
both of those Ks were pitches well out of the zone but the Yankees had to swing because of the ump.
2006-08-05 15:27:31
165.   Stormer Sports
Jeter's hit streak ends, and we are back into a tie with Boston, well, once they get done smacking around Tampa tonight.
2006-08-05 15:28:03
166.   SF Yanks
They just can't get to that elusive 6 game win streak can they? Just waayyyy to much to ask for right?
2006-08-05 15:28:49
167.   Stormer Sports
Even with the win streak, it's not like we have been scoring a ton of runs.
2006-08-05 15:29:16
168.   randym77
True, all the Braves are annoying. I dunno, though, Chipper was particularly annoying. He always struck me as the Terrell Owens of baseball. Just an arrogant SOB.
2006-08-05 15:29:16
169.   Mattpat11
Jesus, i spelled embarassing wrong.

I'm livid.

2006-08-05 15:29:36
170.   C2Coke
Way to let the bullpen rest, our super star pitchers!

Enters everyday Villone.

2006-08-05 15:29:47
171.   singledd
Hey... Just got here and feel like leaving. Who's the ghost of Koufax? 7 K's in 6 innings and 1 hit? Do we have the day off? WHATS HAPPENING?
2006-08-05 15:29:59
172.   Stormer Sports
Moose gave a good effort to keep us in this game after early trouble. It's nice to see that the offense is there to bail him out.
2006-08-05 15:30:27
173.   randym77
Tejada is unreal.
2006-08-05 15:30:56
174.   C2Coke
165 You are forgetting the second shutout this year.
2006-08-05 15:31:21
175.   Mattpat11
I hope the Yankees are ashamed of themselves. Every shitty fucking "potential laden" pitcher has to figure it out against us.
2006-08-05 15:31:25
176.   singledd
In TB later today, at least with:
BOS: Wells(0-1, 11.08 ERA)
TAM: Fossum(5-4, 4.89 ERA)
There's a change TB could win.
2006-08-05 15:32:29
177.   Stormer Sports
Naaa. Boston scores runs, and there two big hitters aren't as mediocre as Giambi and Rodriguez are.
2006-08-05 15:33:12
178.   C2Coke
173 So is this game (in my dreams).
2006-08-05 15:34:24
179.   seamus
177 we have scored more runs per game than boston.
2006-08-05 15:34:47
180.   Bama Yankee
161 Wow, I'm sure one of the reasons the ESPN brass liked him was because of his experience over in Japan. For him to make that statement probably caused some heartburn for the "higher-ups" (especially after the Harold Reynolds thing).

BTW, after reading the discussion last night I was reminded of one of my favorite sayings: "All you stereotypers are the same"

2006-08-05 15:34:52
181.   SF Yanks
171 Yesterday, Torre told the team that they could leave today after the 4th inning. They thought that was inconsiderate of him and they decided to not show up at all.
2006-08-05 15:35:08
182.   Mattpat11
Gibbons is one fugly SOB.
2006-08-05 15:35:56
183.   C2Coke
So it's gotta be the strikezone, right? how come the O's players are working the counts against our pitchers, and our team that includes Abreu and Giambi is not?
2006-08-05 15:36:55
184.   Stormer Sports
We're tied with Boston in Runs Scored. Yet they have worse pitching, what does that tell you?
2006-08-05 15:38:00
185.   seamus
184 we're ahread in runds scored. they've played more games.
2006-08-05 15:38:25
186.   seamus
or we are ahead in runs scored.
2006-08-05 15:40:15
187.   Stormer Sports

That's true. 2 more games. However I think my point is still valid. They score more runs in the games that they need to. Considering their record and their pitcthing, I think that is the only logical conclusion.

2006-08-05 15:40:44
188.   3rd gen yankee fan
Ok, I gotta stop watching this "game."
2006-08-05 15:41:01
189.   Stormer Sports
Just end this game already!
2006-08-05 15:41:04
190.   randym77
Veras warming. With Moose struggling and Cairo injured, Joe is looking a genius for cutting Bubba and bringing up another pitcher.
2006-08-05 15:41:37
191.   Stormer Sports
You are wasting Villone Joe. Get Ponson in there you moron.
2006-08-05 15:42:09
192.   Mattpat11
This team is going to kill me
2006-08-05 15:43:29
193.   Stormer Sports
We really should have at least tried to win this game. With the Yanks getting Chicago and Boston getting KC, this is a game we should have won.
2006-08-05 15:44:08
194.   Mattpat11

Yay! The Yankees can do what they've wanted all day and JUST GO HOME.

2006-08-05 15:45:30
195.   Mattpat11
Just hit Roberts' smug ass. We're going to lose anyway
2006-08-05 15:45:44
196.   Bama Yankee
Anyone remember when the Yankees used to play well in day games?
2006-08-05 15:45:53
197.   seamus
i understand the frustration, but most of it is seriously overstated. We may lose today, but we're not out of it yet.
2006-08-05 15:47:42
198.   Mattpat11
197 We had our best pitcher going against one of the worst in the league against an AWFUL team.

We threw away a gimme game.

Not alot to be blindly optimistic about.

2006-08-05 15:48:44
199.   Mattpat11
So, do you think the Yankees try this inning?
2006-08-05 15:51:10
200.   BklynBmr
OK, this bullsh*t stops now. The rally begins!
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2006-08-05 15:52:31
201.   neilymon
let's say giambi walks - and then posada gets on base - and then wilson continues his impressive start - then all we need is for melky and/or nick to not screw it all up with a DP.

. . .

2006-08-05 15:52:45
202.   Mattpat11
OK, im getting my hopes up.
2006-08-05 15:53:09
203.   randym77
I'm glad Brian Roberts is playing okay. Remember that horrific collision with Bubba last year? I was afraid that was going to be a career-ender.

The weird thing is that Roberts got 18 homeruns last year, before the collision. He'd never had more than five before. He's got three this year. Some blame the collision for robbing him of power. But maybe last year was just a fluke. He never seemed anything like a 20-homer guy before.

2006-08-05 15:53:30
204.   neilymon
let's say giambi walks - and then posada gets on base - and then wilson continues his impressive start - then all we need is for melky and/or nick to not screw it all up with a DP.

. . .

2006-08-05 15:54:06
205.   Mattpat11
How short is Perlozzo?
2006-08-05 15:54:45
206.   neilymon
loewen has 99 pitches - surely, he'll be done soon?
2006-08-05 15:54:51
207.   Stormer Sports
Po hacking away at balls.
2006-08-05 15:54:54
208.   Mattpat11
Why is Posada swinging?

Now he's gonna take strike 3.

2006-08-05 15:54:54
209.   seamus
sometimes, you just know posada is off and this is one of those ABs
2006-08-05 15:56:04
210.   Mattpat11
2006-08-05 15:56:41
211.   Bama Yankee
197 A lot of people have your view about what is said on the Banter. It's just the way people roll in here, Penthouse one day... Outhouse the next. It seems to be the way people take out their frustrations (kinda like therapy, I guess). Come on out on the ledge with us, there is plenty of room...
2006-08-05 15:56:44
212.   randym77
Finally! Loewen gone.
2006-08-05 15:58:15
213.   Stormer Sports

We couldn't hit Miguel Tejada today if he was pitching.

2006-08-05 15:58:31
214.   Mattpat11
thats enough for me.
2006-08-05 15:58:48
215.   randym77
Bring Loewen back. :-P
2006-08-05 15:59:02
216.   SF Yanks
211 Couldn't agree more.
2006-08-05 15:59:13
217.   seamus
now that is a bad pitcher! and he gets a DP!

We're just not hitting on the right cylinders today.

2006-08-05 15:59:43
218.   BklynBmr
212 Now I miss him...
2006-08-05 16:00:22
219.   Stormer Sports
AT&T Home Turf. Does anyone really need to see how these spoiled brats live? I mean seriously.
2006-08-05 16:01:57
220.   Stormer Sports
ooooooouuuuu, ouuuuuu. Boston game coming on. At least I will get to see some offense today.

From all Yankee fans: Sorry Moose, very very sorry.

2006-08-05 16:03:11
221.   seamus
220 true enough. Tampa should put on quite a show!


2006-08-05 16:03:55
222.   bobtaco
Welcome, Jose "Winfield" Veras
2006-08-05 16:04:13
223.   Stormer Sports
Ortiz in close and late: .313, 10 HR, 24 RBI.
2006-08-05 16:06:15
224.   randym77
It's a miracle! He got Tejada out!
2006-08-05 16:06:30
225.   seamus
Vera has some stuff but he needs to throw first pitch strikes.
2006-08-05 16:12:34
226.   Bama Yankee
Gotta go fellas, dinner with the in-laws tonight. Keep the faith... we can come back.
2006-08-05 16:13:02
227.   Stormer Sports
Pittiful display.
2006-08-05 16:14:55
228.   nyctarheel87
At least Moose didn't have his best stuff...5-0 is a lot more bearable than 1-0
2006-08-05 16:15:39
229.   BklynBmr
226 Sounds like a day from hell: Yanks stink up the joint, then ya gotta go see the in-laws ;-)
2006-08-05 16:17:01
230.   marc
Wow, Sterling is brilliant. Who could have figured Lowen would 1 hit the Yankees? Nobody, that's baseball, you can't predict it, nobody can."

Than how come I can predict that the Yankees' announcer will say this same statement at least 20 times a game with 100% accuracy.

2006-08-05 16:21:53
231.   BklynBmr
Two batters into the game, Boston already equals Yanks offensive output...
2006-08-05 16:22:08
232.   Stormer Sports
Boston 1st and 3rd an 0 out with Ortiz coming up. lol.
2006-08-05 16:23:32
233.   Stormer Sports

I can't watch. I will just assume we will be tied after tonight and 1 game back following the Chicago series.

2006-08-05 16:24:43
234.   BklynBmr
233 I hear ya. Ortiz just called out on a check swing, Manny sac files the run...
2006-08-05 16:24:46
235.   Stormer Sports
Runner at 3rd and less than 2 out comes home.
2006-08-05 16:25:11
236.   neilymon
whoa! BoSox outscored the Yanks! whoa!
2006-08-05 16:25:57
237.   Stormer Sports
So much for the hit streak. A shitty day all the way around.
2006-08-05 16:26:57
238.   Stormer Sports
Can we get someone besides Jeter to even sniff .300, please!
2006-08-05 16:27:29
239.   seamus
Cano is 0-1 too. not our day!
2006-08-05 16:29:06
240.   randym77
Blech. I was hoping they could at least end the shutout.

Good thing we traded for Abreu, or woulda been a no-hitter.

2006-08-05 16:30:42
241.   Stormer Sports

Do you think there is any chance that Joe will bump Arod to the 2 hole like he did 2 years ago? It certainly seems like the best lineup would be:


2006-08-05 16:31:07
242.   JeremyM
Should've kept Crosby, he could've pitched 2 scoreless today just as easily...
2006-08-05 16:36:04
243.   BklynBmr
241 I would love to see him do it, but it would probably take an extended team-wide slump, which games like today can definitely put a team in one.

Unless the Rays start slappin' Tubby around like a rented mule, I think I've had about enough baseball for today. See you knuckleheads later ;-)

2006-08-05 16:37:26
244.   randym77
242 Hey, he was the ace of his high school team. Led them to a state championship, courtesy of a curveball taught to him by his coach, Chuck Knoblauch's dad. ;-)

241 Might be worth trying A-Rod in the two-hole. Seemed to work two years ago.

I bet we'll see Robby tomorrow...

2006-08-05 16:39:49
245.   mainmanmaitland
Hell, it could have been worse. Mussina kept us in the game and the bullpen didn't get destroyed (that will be tomorrow when Wright pitches). To quote Goodfellas "Everybody takes a beating sometime."
2006-08-05 16:52:02
246.   randym77
Miggy is expected to be out for at least a couple of weeks. (Translation: probably a month.)

Joe says they'll just play a man short tomorrow. I'm kind of surprised.

2006-08-05 16:56:39
247.   Stormer Sports

Absolutely. I am certain that I overreacted today. I just see Chicago for us and KC for them and thought a win today would be nice.

As for Arod, I don't think he should be traded or any nonsense like that, but keepng him in the cleanup spot based on stats he accumulated the bulk of months ago seens a little silly. No one is afraid to pitch to him. At least Giambi will bang some runs home via the HR in the 4 hole, and it will take some pressure off Arod. Especially now that the Abreu/Wilson honeymoon is over and the boo birds will be out in force at home.

Today illustrated why Joe/Cash cut Bubba. He feared Cairo going down and being left without a viable backup. I just wish he could have waited a few days, as we now have Cano coming back and have no backup CF'er, and no, Melky is not going to cut it in center. That is without mentioning that Bubba risked life and limb out there for us, he was a fan favorite, and the team is not be appreciably better with Green/Phillips (with Green being downright horrible) over Bubba. We now have 3 1st basemen (4 if Sheff comes back--awfully redundant at the easiest position on the field to play) and no backup CF'er. We don't need Phillips to PH as Giambi should be playing more games at 1st anyway against righties, leaving Wilson to PH. With Cairo down, we now have no Pinch Runner either. If it made baseball sense, I would have been for it, but it didn't.

2006-08-05 17:34:32
248.   Ron Burgundy
Oh My God. THat was one of the single worst games ever. We got shutout and 1-Hit by a horrible pitcher with an ERA over 6.00 and the 2nd worst bullpen in the AL.
2006-08-05 17:46:18
249.   nyctarheel87
At least Boomer is getting shelled. Boston's pitching staff makes ours look like the '98 version
2006-08-05 17:50:49
250.   mainmanmaitland
Obviously I expected and hoped that the Yanks would win that game but I'm sure teams feel almost the same way when J. Wright beats them. As much as I hate to admit it we won't win every game (however I hope we win every series). There are going to be games where the team doesn't hit and it's probably best to look at the bright side of this game. The bullpen is still intact and can be used tomorrow (and will be needed with the aforementioned J. Wright pitching).
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2006-08-05 18:11:07
251.   yankz
How the f does the offense go on a roll for a week but then completely sh*t its pants today? I guess this stuff happens in baseball, but it better not happen again, or I'll start to worry.
2006-08-05 19:18:32
252.   Simone
Tampa Bay is busy giving up this game. Come on, losers.
2006-08-05 19:20:46
253.   pistolpete
BBTN: "Golden opportunity blown by the Yankees today..."

HUH? We somehow KNEW they would lose today?!

2006-08-05 19:21:15
254.   Bama Yankee
229 It got even worse, my wife's cousin was there. He lives in the DC area. I didn't stay around long enough to find if he is an Orioles fan or Nationals fan. It didn't really matter much, I was not in the mood to talk about baseball.

At least Boston is losing... oh crap here come the Sox, did the Rays make a trade for Carmona?

2006-08-05 19:23:24
255.   Stormer Sports
Oh My God. This cannot be happening!
2006-08-05 19:23:42
256.   Simone
Damn, that was close. That was just foul.
2006-08-05 19:25:20
257.   Stormer Sports
That was strike 3!
2006-08-05 19:25:28
258.   Simone
This sucky pitcher has 2 runs to give.
2006-08-05 19:25:40
259.   pistolpete
Bases loaded - this is completely surreal. Feel like it's a bad dream.
2006-08-05 19:26:40
260.   JeremyM
You just know Javy is going yard here.
2006-08-05 19:26:41
261.   nyctarheel87
Let me guess. j-Lo hits a grand slam and gets proclaimed as the best catcher in baseball
2006-08-05 19:26:43
262.   Stormer Sports
Thank God!
2006-08-05 19:26:59
263.   Simone
Yess!!! Thank you, Javy Lopez.

253 BBTN is full of shit.

2006-08-05 19:27:10
264.   pistolpete
It's over? DP?!!! Can it be true?
2006-08-05 19:28:10
265.   JeremyM
Or hits into a double play. You know, one or the other.
2006-08-05 19:28:26
266.   Bama Yankee
Where was Bob Wickman when we/Cleveland needed him the other day... Atlanta
Where is Danys Baez when we/Tampa need him today... Atlanta

At least the former Brave, Lopez came through for us tonight with the GIDP. Thank you Javy, now I will be able to sleep tonight.

2006-08-05 19:28:54
267.   pistolpete
So ChiSox move ahead of Boston in the wild card as well?

Dear Bud Selig, please end the season today. ;-)

2006-08-05 19:30:23
268.   nyctarheel87
probable BBTN headline: "Ortiz gets key hit in valiant comeback effort by Boston that falls just 3 runs short"
2006-08-05 19:32:57
269.   Simone
267 ChiSox ahead of the Red Sox by .5 for the wild card. It is ashame that the Yankees have still have to play the ChiSox because beating them helps the Red Sox.
2006-08-05 19:45:18
270.   Stormer Sports
Mark Grace AZ Broadcast "Maybe George can buy Johnson a few more wins." Talking about how likely it is he'll get to 300.
2006-08-05 20:11:25
271.   Stormer Sports

Look, the Yankees are the Prom Queen, and BBTN and the remaining MLB teams and their broadcasters are the fat girls in the corner, and they act just like them. I mean since I got Extra Innings I am amazed at how much dislike there is out there, even during NL broadcasts. It is for the same reason that Jete was voted among the most overrated, MLB players include plenty of the fat girls too.

George bought this team for $10,000,000 when they were the laughing stock of NY and of the league in 1972. He built them into a winner worth upwards of $1,000,000,000. Any owner in a medium to large market could do nearly the same thing. The dirty little secret in Baseball is that most every owner is much more greedy than George, keeping a larger percentage of the money for themselves and refusing to invest in players, and the tangentials that would garner more revenue. Mark Cuban was spot on when he called out Pittsburgh's ownership, saying they would rather take the net proceeds in lieu of trying to actually compete, while blaming larger markets for their problems. It works because they know the average fan and ESPN viewer is an idiot and will buy the "evil empire" crap, hook, line, and sinker. Even Boston has conviced BBTN and most fans that they are operating are some poor hobo of a team that just can't compete with the big bad Yankees. If you think I'm wrong about the fans, head to a Brave or Dodger game sometime.

Investing in your business to make it grow works in Economics 101, and across every concievable endeavor, but apparently not for Baeball teams.

2006-08-05 20:13:02
272.   BklynBmr
270 I used to think Grace was a class act...
2006-08-05 20:20:16
273.   BklynBmr
271 There have been some great posts here, but this one should be reprinted on the back of ballgame tickets and next to the standings in the daily newspaper every day. It is impossible to say it better. Great job, Storm!
2006-08-05 20:35:18
274.   Stormer Sports
Thanks man.
2006-08-05 21:08:31
275.   Stormer Sports
Reports of Roger Clemens' demise have been greatly exaggerated. Those of you who believe he would get smacked around in the AL are hitting the bottle too hard.

The most deserving candidate for the Cy Young award last season went 7 innings tonight, yielding 3 earned runs. William Roger Clemens has not given up more than 3 earned runs in any start (9 starts) this season.

In 2005, Clemens yielded only 44 earned runs in 34 starts and 211 innings pitched. I don't believe he yielded an earned run on the road until late August, Eeeks!

How about one more curtain call in NY in 2007 Roger, please.

2006-08-05 21:21:37
276.   brockdc
271 Great post.
2006-08-05 21:38:11
277.   Stormer Sports
BBTN even figured out a way to plug and incorporate the ESPN-Disney Owned and Operated X games into it's broadcast tonight, yuck.
2006-08-05 21:38:17
278.   Stormer Sports
BBTN even figured out a way to plug and incorporate the ESPN-Disney Owned and Operated X games into it's broadcast tonight, yuck.
2006-08-06 03:56:24
279.   Stormer Sports
"Fans, for the past two weeks you have been reading about the bad break I got. Yet today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth. I have been in ballparks for seventeen years and have never received anything but kindness and encouragement from you fans.

"Look at these grand men. Which of you wouldn't consider it the highlight of his career just to associate with them for even one day? Sure, I'm lucky. Who wouldn't consider it an honor to have known Jacob Ruppert? Also, the builder of baseball's greatest empire, Ed Barrow? To have spent six years with that wonderful little fellow, Miller Huggins? Then to have spent the next nine years with that outstanding leader, that smart student of psychology, the best manager in baseball today, Joe McCarthy? Sure, I'm lucky.

"When the New York Giants, a team you would give your right arm to beat, and vice versa, sends you a gift - that's something. When everybody down to the groundskeepers and those boys in white coats remember you with trophies - that's something. When you have a wonderful mother-in-law who takes sides with you in squabbles with her own daughter - that's something. When you have a father and a mother who work all their lives so you can have an education and build your body - it's a blessing. When you have a wife who has been a tower of strength and shown more courage than you dreamed existed - that's the finest I know.

"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

2006-08-06 04:00:13
280.   Stormer Sports
That's it, and that is why I am a Yankee fan. Let's remember this going forwatd.
2006-08-06 06:53:45
281.   Dan M
I guess Gracie forgot that Colangelo bought him a WS ring by buying Schilling, Johnson, etc. Worse yet, is that they bankrupted the team while doing so, and had to suffer through years of lousy baseball after the ring. Nice convenient short memory, a-hole
2006-08-06 12:56:31
282.   pistolpete
Wow, Philips not making a case to stay with this team, eh?

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