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Or some sort of something that has to do with karma. A day after the Yankees recieved a generous call they were the victims of a poor one as they fell to the Mariners at the Stadium, 3-2 The bad call came at the tail end of a nice piece of base running from Alex Rodriguez. Shame, as they wasted a fine outing from the Big Unit.
On a lighter note, check out this amusing (if foul-mouthed) critique of the Yankees' radio team. Is Brooklyn in the house?
The Big Unit is hot headed. Kenny Rogers is crazy. Carl Everett is nuts.
What the hell did Shea Hillenbrand do to get himself DFA'd? He adopts a child.
Damn, Blue Jays...it's not like he stole the child!
I hear he was trouble in the clubhouse because he was not getting enough playing time. I just think they didn't like the guy anymore.
So what happens to Hillenbrand? That's a big bat waiting to be picked up? Any thoughts anyone?
looks like Gibbons went on a triade against him.. i also read soemthing funny..
JP Riccardi their GM complained that their 4-5-6 hitters were killing the team..
whoa.. it seems like these kind of races are getting to them.. JP should remember its their pitching that is the issue..
i read a stat, TOR 5th starters are soem 1-10 or something.. imagine a 5-5.. they would be leading East..
regarding Hillenbrand.. i think they would have 10 calls by now.. Yanks should pick him up.. great bat off the bench..
Yo, If Bob Sheppard decides to hang it up "The Kid From Brooklyn" is the way to go.
A friend hipped me to the Big Man about a year or so ago, but I haven't checked him out in a while. He's ripped out a few good ones at the Yanks' expense.
Did you hear Cash on ESPN's Mike & Mike show defending A-Rod? I find this whole thing exhausting now.
6 Did you hear and see Ravich and Kruck on BBTN? They go over the Yankee game and Ravich says the following:
"ARod was 'only' 2 - 4 ".
Kruk proceeds to diss him....it's so crazy already. It really is. It's frustrating too.
"I'm disgusted by it."
Rock on, Cashmoney!
At the end of yesterday's massive thread, folks were talking about what could be done to get ESPN to stop this ridiculous A-Rod bs. I am going to e-mail their ombudsman, George Solomon, and I would recommend the same to everyone else; link is:
http://tinyurl.com/pn2jh
8 Don't waste your time Shaun P. The more e-mails they get, the more they'll be sure to encourage their guys to rip on A-rod. The important thing here is whether the fans are able to see through this nonsense. And it's fair to say that most do.
// Hillenbrand said that the relationship between he and Gibbons soured this season when the former everyday player was limited to chiefly fulltime DH duties. "I was unhappy not playing (at a position)," Hillenbrand said. //
If Hillenbrand was pissed because he was DH'ing regularly and not getting to play the field, how would he feel being a bench player?
Andy Phillips? He is much, much better defensively, and the offensive upgrade isn't big enough.
Blue Jays are morons to DFA him, but he does not have a role with the Yankees, unless he develops some backup catching skills.
It's not just ESPN, though. Monday's win - and Wang's pitching - were completely lost in the story about ARod's essentially meaningless errors. Michael Kay led off his radio show with a long segment about the errors - not just "Arod had a brutal game," but a breathless "Will ARod develop the Chuck Knoblauch yips?" And he was serious...
He also went off on Rodriguez over the Central Park pictures - "Jeter would never be caught in a compromising situation like that." Compromising? Shirtless in the 100-degree heat, along with 50,000 other guys? Personally, I think everyone got that story backwards. I think it was pretty cool that Alex was just hanging out in the park with his wife and kid, there with everyone else, no entourage, no security. I can't imagine Jeter ever just being around people like that.
5 But did any player call time? Remember Knobby's blochhead arguing in the Cleveland series in '98? Still, you get a break that helps lead to a win, the next day the opposite happens. I can't really complain.
8 I agree with 10 re: emailing ESPN. Solomon is nothing, but their enabler anyway. He is a joke of an ombudsman.
What could Cash, Torre, Jeter, or God Himself possibly say on A-Rod's behalf other than:
"He's one of the best players in the history of the game. Every team in Major League Baseball would be fortunate to have him. Indeed, the New York Yankees are as happy with Alex Rodriguez as we were the day we signed him. End of story."
Any further defense of A-Rod by the Yankees is not only not necessary, it feeds into the nonsense.
8 10 15 i have done that before, no use.. zero use..
Did u guys read a column on "ESPN page 2 yesterday" Bill Simmons was going thru a process of selecting his EPL team and he ended eliminating team based on their similarity with Yanks..
Pathetic..
i think Yank fans just shud start ignoring ESPN shows..
I would obviously have to look over the rules to the letter, but I had the impression this call was at the umpire's discretion, much like awarding a player third on a ball touched by a fan if it was obvious he was going to make it there anyhow.
I know it won't be looked upon favorably, but this does smell a little bit like "See, it happens to us too, see, see?!?" because that call yesterday was so viciously black-and-white terrible. It was nothing like yesterday's call at all.
A-Rod:
As far as A-Rod goes, the mania from the press is just outstandingly annoying by now. The view above on the idiocy of "compromising position" is dead-on. Sadly, I can't get away from the view that the moronics of the press REFLEFCT the idiocy of the majority rather than INFORM that idiocy.
I admit this may be a bit of a bleak view.
maybe it has reached the point.. where people start turning around..
Are you aware that there are 700 players on MLB rosters? Your continuing barrage on ARod is disgusting. It has become rumor mongering, yellow journalism and simple pandering to the lowest common denominator. It is tasteless, insipid reporting that has nothing to do with real issues, and little to do with baseball.
I would suggest that you start reading baseball blogs daily. There are some Yankees Blogs that are quite intelligent (Bronx Banter for one and Replacement Level Yankee Weblog) and offer far better opinions, insights and statistical analysis then does ESPN or BBTN.
ARod is a great player. He's not the only one. The fact that Tom Hicks was a moron and gave ARod 25 mil/year is no reason to continue to single him out. How about a report about Hicks and his need to make that ridiculous offer to bring ARod to Texas? How it skewed the entire pricing of free agents? How about a show the really examines the choice a player makes between salary and other issue when a free agency offer is made?
Reporting on a star players failures is fair game, but 'failure' is measured over parts of the entire season, not daily. The bottom line is that you are simply incapable (or too lazy) to come up with real sports news, so you simply trash ARod over the most inconsequential actions. Does this show have an editor? Does anyone review your stories with an eye to quality... veracity... appropriateness?
Really, with the huge number of baseball fans in this country, is it that unimaginable for you to produce an entertaining AND thoughtful show? To actually teach and enlighten viewers about this fantastic sport?
You should be ashamed to call yourselves professionals.
Larry
101519 It might be useless, and Solomon might be nothing more than an enabler, but I gave it a shot anyway. What's the worst thing that can happen - especially with NFL training camps opening soon, they can't make ESPN the 24-hour-a-day A-Rod bashing channel.
I think I'm just going to boycott them, outside of Rob Neyer and Keith Law. Speaking of which, sounds like Mr. Law did the right thing getting out of Toronto when he did. Something is rotten up there.
I do agree with him on a couple of points: Waldman is painful to listen to and I wish we could bring back Mel Allen (or Scooter). I always thought it was great that Mel Allen somehow made it from Birmingham, Alabama to being the "Voice of the Yankees"... "How about that!"
Let's hope all this nonsense jumps the shark soon. The soap opera quality to it is tiring. Leave this crap to the NBA.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/07/shea_hillenbran.html
That's not going to happen, of course. Displacing Bernie is exactly what Torre doesn't want to do.
"When you get to September and October, the game speeds up," Torre said, "and that's where you'd like to have some experience."
So Johnny D and some other team members may not feel the need for a trade given the accomplishment of the young ones, but sounds like the skipper does.
Rob Neyer is just as bad. He seems to have a thing for bashing Jeter, as I saw him ALL over ESPN2 two years ago calling his defense 'horrible', and that he was 'seriously overrated' as a shortstop.
This was, of course, before he won the gold glove for the next two seasons. Needless to say, I was beyond smug about that.
How many times have I said "prick" already?
I like how Shandler hates him too. I'd like to see a steel cage match - like the good ole days when King Kong Bundy would go at it with the Hulk - between those two.
95% of the time when discussing the Yanks, Neyer is very sacrastic, which I don't mind. The other 5% of the time, I ignore - dude grew up a Royals' fan in the 70s fercryinoutloud, can you blame him for not always staying objective about the Yanks? How many of us could always be objective about the Red Sox?
Neyer and Bill James sometimes do come across as Dimelo described them in 34 - but their analysis is always solid. I'd rather read/listen to them than a down-home, aww shucks type like Morgan or McCarver, where cliches are analysis and facts are irrelevant.
I think Neyer is great, even with his so-called anti-Yankees bias. He's objectoive, so far as I can tell, especially regarding his own admitted favorite team, the Royals. The way I see it, he doesn't take shit from fans (like many WFAN callers), who make ludicrous claims without backing them up with a shred of evidence. Or the fans who constantly bitch about how he's not answering enough questions about their favorite teams in his chats, etc. My sense is that he appreciates teams like the Twins and the A's more than what the Yankees are now. In other words, he likes teams taht look for new solutions within limited budgets as opposed to the Yankees tendency to spend a lot on the same old solution each year. He has, several times, admitted in chats to having liked the Yankees in the mid-to-late 90s, when they were not the highest payroll in MLB. Now, he just calls it like he sees it, even if it's a bit hard on the Yanks.
As for Jeter, in a recent chat or column he stated that Jeter is, as of right now, a Hall of Fame player. So he can't hate him too much. I just think that Neyer won't come close to clalling him th ebest ever, which he is not in any way shape or form.
I find him disgusting to say the least.. bashing the Yanks for no reason.. the informative bits.. uc an find if u have a "zoom lens" handy..
his man crush for Epstein and Bill James makes me wanna puke...
and if u watch some of his ESPN chats.. he will never come around to appreciate anything that the Yanks do..
we dont need HIS blessing.. but unfortunately him and caple and simmons are big rotten fishes on ESPN.com
and most ppl get the info from ESPN.. useful or not..
i attribute a lot of the hate towards Yanks from outside NYC to be ESPN driven..
GOD i wish there was an alternate national giant.. why cant CNN make SI a TV thing too..
it will work..
if he said Jeter shud not be a HOFer well i think everyone will know "his obvious thoughts".
no matter how skewed one is.. they cant deny HOF to Jeter/Randy/Sheff/ARod.
The complaint abt him is he objective towards ALL teams.. that he aint.. if u ask him A RedSux qn and a Yank qn.. his condescending answers are proof of his lack of objectivity..
i loathe him
In my mind, he's no different than Caple or Simmons now in regards to their bias... At least Simmons can be funny at times (when I've heard him in afternoon drive on ESPN radio), but ultimately the conversation is always peppered with a few jabs at the Yanks or at Steinbrenner. I tend to switch the station at that point- at least Russo's got Francessa to keep him somewhat in line.
Oh, did I mention I saw one of these hats the other day on a guy coming out of an IHOP?
http://www.wackyplanet.com/yankeehaterhat.html
I really wanted to smack it off his head and pour boisenberry syrup down the back of his shirt...
in a cave....?
on the surface of the moon....?
Hey, I understand that ESPN markets itself as the foremost authority on sports but I think we all see through the veneer of that hollow slogan.
Let them say what they want. It's no sweat of our collective backs. In the meantime, the outlets are there (and this is one of them) to voice your approval/displeasure.
I occasionally find myself watching FoxSports or the local MSG Sportsdesk, but it's the sheer 24-hour omnipresence of ESPN that keeps me coming back.
If someone else could produce a decent equivalent to 'ESPNNews', though, I'd switch over in a heartbeat.
//his man crush for Epstein and Bill James makes me wanna puke...//
47 I try and stay away from ESPN as much as possible, except for PTI. I can't say that I watch it as much as I did when I was younger, or even 3 years ago. If the Yanks aren't on, I find myself really enjoying Discovery channel. There's something so relaxing watching a lion mauling a zebra, it just makes everything feel right in the world. I guess I wish I was the lion and the zebra was Schilling. Schilling has more stripes though.
46 Neyer said that Jeter is a HOF'er. 43 was a poorly-worded response to 38.
Of course ESPN's annoyingly arrogant anti-Yankee bias would be a lot more "kosher," and easier to stomach if the network was owned by the Red Sox, or vice versa.
But I don't get too worked up about the ESPN drivel. Surely, there's a market for ESPN's brand of bitchy Yankee-hate across the country. Whatever. I just turn it off, or tune it out.
I feel sorry for you Yankee fans out there who have to rely on ESPN for your Yankee fix. It's gotten a lot worse this summer, probably because the Yanks are still doing very well despite the loss of Matsui and Sheff. That has to be driving Yankee-haters everywhere nuts, and what's also fueling their pinstriped bonfire is that the Yanks are getting by with likeable homegrowns like Melky and Andy.
The easiest thing for Yankee-haters to do is pick up on the mindless A-Rod booing, and try to twist it into a bigger issue.
Hell, the NY papers are doing the same thing.
Bottomline: no media-outlet is going to spoil my enjoyment of the Yankee games, and rooting for the team along with insightful and entertaining fans like the ones I've "met" here.
"Brad (NY, NY): Isn't Jeter really over rated? He has been pampered his entire carreer in the sense that he has always been surrounded by an insane amount of talent.
Rob Neyer: Jeter is both overrated and underrated, depending on who you're talking to. He's clearly a deserving Hall of Famer, even if he retires tomorrow."
Eric (DC): When will the Yankees fade out of contention?
Rob Neyer: I'm guessing that you question is sarcastic, and I don't blame you. For all the talk about the Yankees fading -- and I'm sure I've done some talking myself -- at this moment the Yankees have, according to Baseball Prospectus's postseason odds, a 71 percent chance of reaching the playoffs.
Ross, Providence: MVP talk here... The Sox's would suffer without Thome and Ortiz in the lineup, but the Yanks would be lost without Jeter at short and setting the table (.344 avg, .425 OBP). He's also on pace to drive in 100+ runs and steal 30 bases.
Rob Neyer: Jeter's having an MVP-type season, and if you're wedded to contenders then he's a top candidate. But you know who I would vote for? Travis Hafner, who's been just as good as Albert Pujols.
If he has a fault, it's that he spends far too much time in his chats putting down idiots. For example, in the chat going on right now:
//Aram (Brooklyn): I was just wondering if you ever planned on coming up with reasonable evidence for your opinions, of if you are going to continue writing articles about how there are no statistics backing up intangibles, and how Liriano is much better than Kazmir because you think he knows exactly what pitch to throw in every possible situation.
SportsNation Rob Neyer: (1:53 PM ET ) The second one of those. Trust me, it's a real time-saver.//
He just loves that.
if i had Insider.. i could quote many of his replies.. that are not objective or fair..
Now, his basketball analysis is dead on, but that's another topic.
alerity in 38 captured exactly what I was trying to say about Neyer. Ditto in 58.
Finally, there once was a CNN/SI national TV sports channel, meant to be a competitor to ESPN. It was actually pretty good, but it only lasted a few years. The timing was wrong - it went up against ESPN when ESPN was in its heyday. If it came out now, and had the same quality content, it might be a different story.
FYI, former YES studio host Fred Hickman was the co-lead anchor of CNN/SI.
I also remember back in college (late 80's/early 90's) when CNN had a competitor to Sportscenter (Hickman was on that one too). They were very similar to Sportscenter (that's back when SC used to actually show highlights of baseball games and even give you the stats at the end of the highlights). My buddies and I were into fantasy baseball back then and some people liked SC better because they told you who got the save and others liked CNN because they listed every HR after a highlight. I think SC took off more because of the personalites (Berman, Patrick, Olbermann) but they have gotten so full of themselves they have forgotten what got them to the top.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_Sports_Illustrated
It looks like I speculated correctly, they were only in 20 million homes. ESPN had more clout than CNN when it came to getting the cable/satellite providers to carry an all-sports news channel. So ESPNews won the battle.
Speaking of trades that maybe shouldn't have happened, which would you rather have right now:
LF/CF/RF, Age 28, .286/.345/.543
1B/DH, Age 27, .301/.425.541
OR
SP, Age 42, 10-8, 4.88 ERA, 114 K, 37 BB, 1.22 WHIP
Now I'm sure you all know who I'm talking about. =)
I'm not saying that Unit was horrible, and I was a huge fan of getting Javy Vazquez back in the day, but man would Juan Rivera and Nick the Stick be useful right now.
1- Nats will be sellers (10 games remaining)
2- Marlins are no threat (9 games), and
3- Phils are consistently inconsistent (13 games)
This appears to be a solid move. Plus they've got 6 games against PIT and 4 against the Cubbies.
You can never foresee the results, that's why they play the games, but their schedule screams "Go for it!"
Boy, would it be sweet to see the Braves 'backdoor it' into the post season and eliminate the Muts.
I'm just ready for their consecutive division title run to end so all these bandwagon fans down here will turn in their tomahawks...
Where's the balance? The closest I'd say the Yanks have to an actual supporter at ESPN would be Buster Olney, possibly Jason Stark. I feel I can read their columns concerning the Yanks - even when they happen to take a negative slant - without wanting to vomit on my keyboard in disgust.
They both seem to take a realistic viewpoint without being brutal for brutality's sake.
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And people wonder why folks complain about Mr. Torre. Its not that I want him fired, or that I know anyone who could take over for him, but the little things that are so overtly stupid - like playing Bernie vs a RHP instead of Guiel - drive me nuts. Because they get repeated over and over and over . . .
I have an observation, but I have to tell you that the instance that illustrates the "nobjectivity" of New York media was the reporting in the Daily Rues after the Yankees swept Chicago, Mike Stupica leads off with a couple of comments about how they're as tough as the team from '96, but then morphs the story into how wonderful the Red Sox youngsters are and what a great team, yadda yadda.
Okay, we've come to expect that from him so it's poo-paper for the puppy, but soon enough John Harper and the so-called beat writers are shamelessly picking up his crap and calling it sunshine. Please.
My observation: newspapers are falling behind the internet, and these so-called writers realize that they have nothing credible, tangiable or informative to offer the readers that they don't already know from the internet blogs.
Bloggers here are well-informed and armed to the teeth with stats, history, summations, quotes, et cetera; not to mention the freedom to post their reports without fear of reprise from advertisers or publishers (save an occasional rant that crosses the line by a mile and a half), plus they have a good tendancy to police themselves; while the newspaper tokens are writing to please an economic desire from above them.
Newspapers are simply obsolete, but until everyone can afford to have a computer, learn how to turn it on and surf the net, you're always gonna have that fifty cents (or 25 if you're only half-literate) to buy a paper and look for some "mainstream" acknowledgement of what you and most people already know.
Then there's the TV. TV has sunken to manufacturing reality for mass consumption, and that's what the News has to compete with. Otherwise you're CBS where you might have something intelligent to say, but no one in the coveted "young, brainless and loaded" market gives a crap, so eff it.
ESPN is targeting that casual sports fan who reads the paper to be informed, and what you're seeing from the performers is what the newspaper "writers" are saying in their minds when they write. It should come as no surpise that the Rues constantly criticizes YES for their production gaffes, but when SNY, which they constantly trumpet, makes the same or a more (often) egregious foul-up, (cricket...cricket...)
They must realize they're competing with YOU. Both the paper and TV shows have referred to Ron Villone as "Blogger's Delight" and John Harper made a remark on a CBS game cast about how sports writers are still relevant "because they hear talk from scouts, GMs or others about pending moves first because they happen to be there when it's first mentioned." WGAF? One of them might blog about it anyway and there you go. Only in a blog universe, it's talked about much closer to real time than a newespaper or even a radio or TV show that has to prepare themselves first unless it's major-major, and even then can you trust them give you information that's not slanted to their economic taste?
All that to say this: blogs like these represent an economic threat to newspapers and television, therefore they have to compensate their lack of knowledge, information and punctuality by being theatrical. Credibility? That's the price for getting a closer seat to the playing field (or in this case, the opera). Rubbernecking beats clutch hitting in this part of the woods, and that's how they survive.
Yes, no, maybe so?
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