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Courtesy of Rich Lederer (via Lee Sinins I suspect), dig this:
1 Cy Young 511 2802
2 Walter Johnson 417 3509
3 Christy Mathewson 373 2502
4 Warren Spahn 363 2583
T5 Roger Clemens 341 4506
T5 Tim Keefe 341 2521
7 Steve Carlton 329 4136
T8 Nolan Ryan 324 5714
T8 Don Sutton 324 3574
10 Greg Maddux 325 3101
11 Phil Niekro 318 3342
12 Gaylord Perry 314 3534
13 Tom Seaver 311 3640
14 Bert Blyleven 287 3701
15 Ferguson Jenkins 284 3192
16 Randy Johnson 271 4448
17 Bob Feller 266 2581
18 Bob Gibson 251 3117
19 Frank Tanana 240 2773
20 Mike Mussina 233 2500
Blyleven and Tanana are the only retired fellas on the list who are not in the Hall of Fame.
That said, I do believe Mussina is a borderline Hall of Famer who is currently in the process of deciding which side of that line he'll ultimately fall on. But these kinds of lists don't do anything to my mind to support his candidacy, especially as he's dead last on this one.
Which is why Scott Erickson, Terrence Long and Sandy Alomar Jr. have worn major league uniforms this year, or why Carlos Baerga hung around so long, or, forgive me, the Yankees resigned Bernie, or, or, or . . .
In my book, a Hall of Famer has to be better than good enough, he has to be one of the best at whatever it was he did. Mike Mussina was definitely one of the best pitchers of the past 15 years, which is why I think he has a shot and in fact has a better case than good-enough long-enough types such as Jim Kaat and Tommy John.
But while Moose was easily one of the best of his era, where he ranks all-time is less clear, that's why I don't think he's a shoe-in. Put in Pedro and Maddux and Johnson and Clemens and Mo first, then let's talk about Glavine, Moose, Schilling and Smoltz. I think Glavine's in at this point. The other three are still making their case.
1. Christy Mathewson .665
1. Roger Clemens .665
3. Randy Johnson .659
4. Mike Mussina .638
5. Greg Maddux .627
6. Bob Feller .621
7. Tom Seaver .603
Note: Pedro Martinez has 204 wins, 2971 K, .701 win%.
I should also add that Tanana wouldn't get my vote either, although Blyleven might.
I would argue that Moose has an extended career of above average level...he needs at least 30 more wins, or an award, or a big WS victory to get in.
Whether Mussina is a HOFer is a subject for debate. However, it is interesting to note that he has amassed career totals that are beginning to put him among a bunch of pitchers who have been or will be enshrined in Cooperstown.
Excuses are a sign of weakness.
That's why I think the Sheff injury is the hardest to swallow because he had a bit of that "bad-ass mother f'er" about him, kinda like what Paulie had. Ortiz and Manny still swing a great bat and they stand-up there and stare at their homeruns like "What?". The minute the Sawx lose some of that mojo then they'll know what it means to lose that intimidation factor. Jeter is intimidating but in a professional kind of way.
I know it's not fashionable to look at Won-Loss record but it's a bit much to dismiss winning. The entire purpose of taking the mound is winning and to suggest any individual game is just a compendium of stats denies the humanity of the players. Moose gets it coming and going - people don't want to recognize his W-L record but Roger Clemens has his 2001 Cy Young Award for going 20-3 while Mussina pitched better in every sabremetric category but ended up a snakebit 17-11.
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