Baseball Toaster Bronx Banter
The Florida Marlins, Mach III
2006-06-23 14:24
by Cliff Corcoran
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One of the big stories this offseason was the Marlins' second fire sale in the past decade, but buried beneath the outrage was the fact that the Marlins actually made a large number of smart baseball decisions in purging their roster of aging, overvalued players while stocking their system with prospects. Now, in last June, the team everyone had written off over the winter is in third place in the NL East, three games ahead of the perennial division champion Braves, and sports a Pythagorean record just a hair shy of .500.

That's impressive enough, but what's been even more impressive is how this team has gelled. Don't look now, but the Marlins have gone 20-7 since May 22 including a 10-game winning streak that was halted on Wednesday and climaxed with a three-game sweep of the Toronto Blue Jays last weekend. The secret to that recent success has been pitching. The Marlins have held their opponents to less than three runs in 13 of those 20 wins and allowed more than three runs in just three of those 20 victories, a 5-4 win over the Cubs, a 6-5 win over the Braves, and last night's 8-5 victory over the Orioles.

So who are these guys? Here's a quick look at the Marlins' rotation along with their ages and 2006 salaries:

Dontrelle Willis, 24, $4.35 million

You know D-Train, he was the 2003 NL Rookie of the Year and just missed out last year's Cy Young. 'Nuff said.

Josh Johnson, 22, ML minimum ($327,000)
Replacing: Josh Beckett, 26, $4.325 million

Drafted by the Marlins in 2002, Johnson was solid in double-A last year and finished the season with four appearances for the Fish. This year, without the benefit of a stint in triple-A, he's posted a 2.01 ERA while striking out 7.93 men per nine innings in nine starts. Josh Beckett, meanwhile, has a 5.09 ERA and just 7.41 K/9 for more than ten times Johnson's salary in Boston, while trading Beckett netted the Fish their starting shortstop, top pitching prospect Anibal Sanchez, and two other minor league arms, one of whom, Jose Garcia, has joined Sanchez in double-A and just may be pitching his way past his more highly touted teammate.

Ricky Nolasco, 23, ML min.
Replacing: Al Leiter (retired) and 23-year-old Jason Vargas, the latter of whom is starting for the Marlins' triple-A club with good peripherals, but an ugly ERA.

Nolasco came over from the Cubs in the Juan Pierre deal along with Sergio Mitre and Renyel Pinto. The 25-year-old Mitre was in the rotation until he hit the 60-day DL with inflammation in his pitching shoulder. The 23-year-old Pinto did not allow a run in four big league innings earlier in the year and is pitching very well save for a high walk rate in triple-A Albuquerque. Nolasco turned in a strong season in double-A last year and has posted a 3.15 ERA in 60 innings for the Fish thus far this season with a solid 6.45 K/9. Pierre, meanwhile, is hitting .242/.290/.306 for the Cubs, fulfilling my prediction of a Womackian future for the 28-year-old who is pocketing $5.75 million of the Cubs greenbacks for his services.

Scott Olsen, 22, ML min.
Replacing: A.J. Burnett, 29, $55 million/5 yrs

The left-handed Olsen, like Johnson, is a home grown product who pitched well for the double-A Carolina Mudcats in 2005. A strikeout machine in the minors, the 22-year-old Olsen has struck out 7.79 men per nine innings with the Fish in twelve starts this year and held hitters to less than a hit per inning, but has struggled some with his control, resulting in a 4.70 ERA. Burnett, meanwhile, has made just three starts for the Jays thus far this year due to repeated problems with his surgically repaired pitching elbow. In those three starts, Burnett has a Beckett-like 5.06 ERA thanks in part to his surrendering four home runs in 16 innings.

Brian Moehler, 34, $1.5 million

Moehler, tonight's starter, was retained as a budget rate, league-average insurance policy. He's not held up his end of the bargain, posting a 6.29 ERA while allowing 97 hits in 73 innings.

From that alone this fire sale thing doesn't look too shabby, does it?

The trend continues around the diamond. The best player the Marlins traded this offseason was 34-year-old Carlos Delgado, who is still owed $52 million over four years, only $7 million of which the Fish picked up in the deal. In that trade they acquired not only pitching prospect Yusmeiro Petit, but 25-year-old first baseman Mike Jacobs, who tore the cover off the ball in 100 at-bats for the Mets last year (.310/.375/.710) and is representing this year with a .269/.357/.486 line and ten homers as the Marlins' first baseman.

They dumped an overrated and overpaid ($10 million over two years) 30-year-old Luis Castillo on the Twins for a pair of minor league arms and handed the second base job to 26-year-old minor league free agent Dan Uggla, who had lit-up the Southern League with the Diamondback's double-A franchise in 2005. Uggla has the early lead in the NL Rookie of the Year race, hitting .313/.366/.532 with 13 homers while playing a Gold Glove-level second base.

At shortstop the Beckett deal netted them 22-year-old Sox prospect Hanley Ramirez, who caused a sensation over the first two months of the season before a recent slump that is strangely in synch with his team's winning streak torpedoed his numbers. Ramirez was hitting .340/.417/.484 with 16 stolen bases in 19 attempts on May 23, but has hit just .139/.187/.257 since then. Still, that deal not only netted them those three aforementioned pitching prospects in addition to Ramirez, but it allowed them to unload 32-year-old Mike Lowell's contract ($25.5 million over three years left), thus opening third base for their 23-year-old future Hall of Famer, Miguel Cabrera. The Marlins wisely recognized the fact that it would be easier to find viable corner outfielders than a third baseman that can hit like Frank Robinson or Albert Pujols (Cabrera's top two PECOTA comps).

In Cabrera's place in right field the Fish have installed 22-year-old home-grown prospect Jeremy Hermida, who is hitting a solid, if somewhat powerless .286/.385/.429. The good news is that at 22, Hermida has time to develop his power stroke. In the opposite pasture, the Marlins finally found a home for 27-year-old former catching prospect Josh Willingham, who has hit.268/.352/.470 and will be activated from the disabled list for this weekend's series.

With those six stacked at the top of the line-up, of whom only Cabrera at the insane low price of $472,000 is earning more than the league minimum, the Marlins have installed 27-year-old veteran Miguel Olivo behind the plate for the modest sum of $700,000 and have been able to give 25-year-old Reggie Abercrombie an extended look in center. Of the six rookie Marlins in the everyday lineup, only Abercrombie has failed to rise to the occasion, but given the success of the others, they're able to remain patient with the man they, perhaps erroneously, still hope is their center fielder of the future.

So maybe the bench is a bit thin (Helms has pop, Amezaga can play anywhere, Borchard and Ross once had promise and are still in their 20s, Treanor is a holdover) and the bullpen is a bit of a hodgepodge (veterans Borowski and Herges, 2005 A-ballers Martinez and Tankersley, holdover Messenger, rookie Logan, and the truly off-the-radar Fulchino), but you have to commend a team that's able to purge $60 million in active payroll and tens of millions more owed in subsequent seasons, get 3 ½ years younger as a team and actually improve its long-term outlook in the process. Willis and Cabrera are young enough that they will peak along with the new crop of players, rather than ahead of them. It may have looked ugly this offseason, but with the Braves having finally tumbled off their perch and the Mets relying on a crop of old fogies (Pedro, Glavine, Trachsel, El Duque, Wagner, Valentin, ex-Marlin Cliff Floyd and 2005 Marlins Delgado and Paul Lo Duca), these Fish just might surprise a lot of people in a few years. If so, one might have to wonder if the Marlins have stumbled upon a new method of small-market management in which a Championship is followed by a fire sale which leads directly to another Championship within the decade, repeat. Remember, Burnett and Derrek Lee were picked up in the post-1997 purge, as was Preston Wilson who was flipped for Pierre, and Ed Yarnall who was flipped for Lowell, while Josh Beckett was drafted second overall in 1999 after the Marlins finished 1998 with the worst record in baseball (the expansion Devil Rays got the number one pick). Also, don't forget that the Marlins won two Championships in their first eleven years of existence, while no other expansion team has ever won more than two titles (Mets, Blue Jays) and seven expansion clubs of equal or older vintage are still looking for that first ring. Kinda makes you think, don't it?

Florida Marlins

2006 Record: 31-38 (.449)
2006 Pythagorean Record: 34-35 (.495)

Manager: Joe Girardi
General Manager: Larry Beinfest

Home Ballpark (2005 Park Factors): Dolphin Stadium (94/95)

Who's Returning?

  • Miguel Cabrera (from LF to 3B)
  • Matt Treanor (backup catcher)
  • Jeremy Hermida (41AB in 2005, starting in RF)
  • Josh Willingham (23 AB in 2005, starting in LF)
  • Dontrelle Willis (#1 starter)
  • Brian Moehler (#4 starter)
  • Randy Messenger (middle reliever)

Current Roster:

1B – Mike Jacobs (L)
2B – Dan Uggla (R)
SS – Hanley Ramirez (R)
3B – Miguel Cabrera (R)
C – Miguel Olivo (R)
RF – Jeremy Hermida (L)
CF – Reggie Abercrombie (R)
LF – Josh Willingham (R)


R – Wes Helms (IF)
S – Alfredo Amezaga (UT)
S – Joe Borchard (OF)
R – Cody Ross (OF)
R – Matt Treanor (C)


L – Dontrelle Willis
R – Ricky Nolasco
L – Scott Olsen
R – Brian Moehler
R – Josh Johnson


R – Joe Borowski
R – Matt Herges
R – Randy Messenger
R – Logan Kensing
R – Carlos Martinez
L – Taylor Tankersley
R – Jeff Fulchino

60-day DL: R – Sergio Mitre

Typical Lineup:

R – Hanley Ramirez (SS)
R – Dan Uggla (2B)
L – Mike Jacobs (1B)
R – Miguel Cabrera (3B)
R – Josh Willingham (LF)
L – Jeremy Hermida (RF)
R – Reggie Abercrombie (CF)
R – Miguel Olivo (C)

Comments (135)
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2006-06-23 14:32:57
1.   randym77
Seems like we always get teams when they're at the top of their games.

The lineup is what I expected. Joe promised that Andy would get some playing time, after having to sit for the NL games.


2006-06-23 14:37:56
2.   Cliff Corcoran
Yeah, like when the Yankees played the A's and all nearly of their starters were on the DL or day-to-day. It's a rough life.
2006-06-23 14:51:18
3.   Stormer Sports
Why on God's Green Earth does anyone believe that Isaiah Thomas deserves a job? Why I ask?
2006-06-23 15:54:11
4.   randym77
So, how's the weather? We gonna have a game tonight?
2006-06-23 16:15:44
5.   C2Coke
Man, I miss those voices on YES, even Kay's (unfortunately). And Al Leiter is here.

And a DP.

2006-06-23 16:15:45
6.   Zack
When Wang is on, it almost seems like that 4-6-3 DP is inevitable, don't it? Let's hope he's on...
2006-06-23 16:19:09
7.   randym77
I was really happy to see Leiter, too. He's become one of my favorites.
2006-06-23 16:19:36
8.   C2Coke
Meat: learn from this man! JD is playing hurt.
2006-06-23 16:21:05
9.   C2Coke
Kay: Learn from this man! Al Leiter knows how to keep quiet if he has nothing meaningful to say.
2006-06-23 16:28:36
10.   kdw
9 Hear, hear.
2006-06-23 16:28:48
11.   randym77
All right, Jorgie! The fish have holes their gloves tonight.
2006-06-23 16:30:13
12.   Zack
Yowza, what an ugly inning
2006-06-23 16:30:30
13.   BklynBmr
Man, the Fish's fielding is atrocious...
2006-06-23 16:31:42
14.   randym77
This is just unbelievable.
2006-06-23 16:32:07
15.   yankz
Poor Hanley.

A-Rod's at bat was disappointing. Brian Moehler just struck you out, man!

2006-06-23 16:32:07
16.   singledd
Strike 3 to ARod was 3 inches INSIDE. I thought strikes had to be over the plate, not close to it. Posada's hit should have been an error.
2006-06-23 16:32:13
17.   randym77
Gotta feel sorry for the pitcher.
2006-06-23 16:32:50
18.   yankz
I almost feel bad for them.
2006-06-23 16:32:54
19.   C2Coke
They are determined to have JD on again this inning.
2006-06-23 16:33:04
20.   hensley
Leiter is awesome. "He's not a traffic cop..."
2006-06-23 16:33:17
21.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
hmmm. Maybe the Sawx weren't so stoopid in getting rid of Hanley.
2006-06-23 16:33:19
22.   Zack
Knowing Andy's luck, someone will make an amazing play on him...
2006-06-23 16:33:46
23.   Zack
Kay just keeps blabbing on and on...
2006-06-23 16:33:54
24.   yankz
They should aim for a ground ball, we can almost expect the infield to mess it up.
2006-06-23 16:34:49
25.   randym77
I only wish Leiter would name names. ;-)
2006-06-23 16:35:00
26.   singledd
Tonight we root for the Mets?
2006-06-23 16:35:17
27.   claybeez
I wondering of they are pressing since it's Joe G's first trip to the stadium as manager and they want to make their manager look good. Oops! I feel kind of bad for them and for Joe Girardi. You know he wanted to come in here and at least have his kids play good baseball.
2006-06-23 16:35:29
28.   yankz
26 I was just thinking "Man, I hate when I have to root for the Mets."
2006-06-23 16:36:19
29.   randym77
They are just kids. Yankee Stadium is pretty darned intimidating.
2006-06-23 16:36:42
30.   singledd
Do the Mets play the Sox this year? I certainly hope so!
2006-06-23 16:40:24
31.   randym77
30 Yes, the Red Sox and the Mets play three games. We play six, thanks to that "rivalry" thing.
2006-06-23 16:40:40
32.   C2Coke
2006-06-23 16:41:15
33.   randym77
Oh, Bernie. That's one run you owe us.
2006-06-23 16:41:46
34.   yankz
Sinker not working tonight?
2006-06-23 16:42:41
35.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Were both of those doubles Bernie doubles?

Also, CBS gamecenter has the two pitches that were hit as changeups. Why is Wang messing around here? Throw the hard sinker dammit.

2006-06-23 16:42:45
36.   yankz
Yeah...something's wrong.
2006-06-23 16:43:26
37.   C2Coke that no one is on base...Wang please get to work.
2006-06-23 16:43:27
38.   yankz
Whatever, their defense will give it back next inning.

Wang's ERA back over 4 :-(

2006-06-23 16:43:44
39.   singledd
A ball tips of Bernies glove... probably in any other RF'er. Now we're tie. Remember Phillips striking out with the bases loaded, on a ball in the dirt?
2006-06-23 16:44:45
40.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Is that Randy Johnson on the mound tonight? Getting staked to a 3 run lead and immediately giving all back on a bunch of extra-base hits is usually his trademark.
2006-06-23 16:45:50
41.   C2Coke
It's still early. Let's hope Wang had got that outta his system.
2006-06-23 16:46:08
42.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Thank you smallball.
2006-06-23 16:46:15
43.   singledd
18 Still feel bad for them?
2006-06-23 16:47:27
44.   yankz
43 Haha, afraid not.
2006-06-23 16:48:14
45.   randym77
I think they were "Bernie doubles." He ran the wrong way on the first one, and was just too slow on the second. They could have been outs.

But it's a bad sign that the balls are getting out there in the first place. Playing Bernie in the outfield would seem a fairly safe bet with Wang on the mound.

Hopefully the kid will pull himself together.

2006-06-23 16:48:18
46.   C2Coke
38 I was looking at his stats today. There was only once after a game that his ERA has gone down to less than 4.
2006-06-23 16:48:27
47.   singledd
33 It's not all Bernies fault, Wang gave uo the HR. But Bernie ultimately cost us 3 runs. I love the guy, but get him off the field!
2006-06-23 16:50:34
48.   C2Coke
I repeat, Kay: Learn from Al Leiter. Even if you don't talk none of us will forget your presence.
2006-06-23 16:50:47
49.   randym77
47 True, Wang gave up the homer. But the inning would have been over if Bernie had caught even one of those doubles.

And I think it kind of unnerved Wang.

2006-06-23 16:52:05
50.   singledd
Is it possible that Bernie is worse in RF then he was in CF?
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2006-06-23 16:54:12
51.   hensley
Leiter is like a professor emeritus of pitching. He is unbelievable in breaking things down simply, and in a way that no one else does. I wish I didn't have to have the random home town clowns from and could choose my own commentators.
2006-06-23 16:56:25
52.   randym77
50 Could be. He's not used to RF.

51 Agreed. I love Senator Al. Great insight.

2006-06-23 16:56:58
53.   yankz
ESPN got stuck after Damon's walk, what's going on?
2006-06-23 16:58:47
54.   yankz
Never mind.
2006-06-23 17:01:26
55.   Paul in Boston
Five LOB after two innings ... if we lose this one, certainly will be agonizing.
2006-06-23 17:05:19
56.   kdw
Think we should also be rooting for Atlanta. I hate facing teams on long losing streaks, it's like they're due just when they hit the Yankees.
2006-06-23 17:05:38
57.   singledd
We MUST sweep the Fish. Agreed?
2006-06-23 17:06:03
58.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Man, David Wright is on fire.
2006-06-23 17:07:00
59.   randym77
All right, Tiger. That was much better.

Three groundouts is good.

2006-06-23 17:07:03
60.   singledd
Anyone else having trouble with
2006-06-23 17:10:39
61.   randym77
Yeah, Andy! First triple of his major league career.
2006-06-23 17:13:24
62.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
How close was that triple to going out?
2006-06-23 17:14:23
63.   randym77
I just tried Man, it's slow tonight.
2006-06-23 17:15:59
64.   randym77
62 It hit the wall. RFer misplayed it, IMO. He jumped for it, very poorly, missed, and it bounced off the wall. He didn't even know where it went. The CFer had to go get it.
2006-06-23 17:19:46
65.   singledd
Jeff Passan at has written 2 very good articles about the TV/MLB 'blackouts'. It seems once again that MLB pays attention to all issues EXCEPT those that effect the fans. Now, you purchase, and they charge you the same per month regardless of how shitty the broadcasts they DO show are.

MLB is a monopoly and as such, the public has obsolutely no recourse. Where's Bush when you need him?

2006-06-23 17:21:13
66.   randym77
Nice play, Jeet! And Robbie.
2006-06-23 17:25:33
67.   SF Yanks
There will be some runs put on the board this inning.
2006-06-23 17:30:33
68.   randym77
C'mon, A-Rod. Anything but GIDP, please...
2006-06-23 17:32:56
69.   randym77
Nice, Alex. He's definitely coming out of it.
2006-06-23 17:35:51
70.   randym77
Nice hit by Posada, and great baserunning by Giambi.

They're walking Cano.

2006-06-23 17:36:40
71.   kdw
67 Good call.
2006-06-23 17:36:53
72.   singledd
Man... Giambi is fast!
2006-06-23 17:38:27
73.   randym77
Giambi's not fast, but his eye is excellent. He knew it was going to drop in and took off.
2006-06-23 17:38:46
74.   kdw
Love the sac fly.
2006-06-23 17:39:04
75.   3rd gen yankee fan
Wow that's some Bernieluv right there.
2006-06-23 17:40:14
76.   tommyl
Hey, this Phillips kid can hit. I wonder why Cliff never talked about him before? ;)
2006-06-23 17:41:25
77.   Zack
Andy having a great game so far!
2006-06-23 17:42:37
78.   tommyl
Melky not. Oh well, can't get too greedy.
2006-06-23 17:42:52
79.   Zack
Melky, on the other hand, not so much...
2006-06-23 17:43:32
80.   randym77
Andy's having a great night. Melky, not so much.
2006-06-23 17:43:35
81.   Zack
And the Sox continue their winning ways, up 6-0 already...
2006-06-23 17:44:41
82.   tommyl
Is it just me or does Melky's swing seem a bit long these days? He's getting under a lot of pitches and he's not staying back as much as he did when he first came up.
2006-06-23 17:45:33
83.   singledd
Melky really needs another year or 2 in the minors. I guess this is good experience, but he will post just about the worst OPS in baseball.
2006-06-23 17:48:52
84.   randym77
82 Torre said something similar.

83 The worst OPS? Really? I would think his high walk rate would save him from that.

Melky's arm is awesome, I must say...

2006-06-23 17:50:18
85.   kdw
On the upside, Melky doesn't take his hitting woes with him into the field.
2006-06-23 17:52:29
86.   randym77
Moehler was not a happpy camper. Threw a tantrum in the dugout, inflicting severe physical abuse on a towel and a Gatorade dispenser.
2006-06-23 17:54:43
87.   singledd
Melky's OPS is currently .680. His SLG is less then his OBP. Would make him 170 out of a qualified 180.
2006-06-23 17:59:57
88.   randym77
I thought Melky was coming out of his slump, but he seems to be struggling again tonight.
2006-06-23 18:07:09
89.   randym77
Oy. This is almost comical.
2006-06-23 18:08:32
90.   singledd
THAT was a funny play! See Girardi's face?
2006-06-23 18:09:16
91.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Could be wrong about this, but don't Melky's struggles at the plate seem to date from his one homer?

It seems like maybe he got a little homerun happy -- iirc Bubba did the same thing last year or the year before -- and started trying to hit everything out, rather than going with pitch and otherwise picking spots to drive the ball.

2006-06-23 18:11:09
92.   kdw
Maybe he reads BB and all the discussion about his lack of power and trading for a corner outfielder have stressed him out. :)
2006-06-23 18:12:18
93.   randym77
91 Yeah, you could be right. I think he may have already been struggling a little, but he really fell off the cliff after hitting that homer.

And yeah, Bubba did the same thing last year, after hitting that walkoff homer. Started trying to lift the ball instead of spraying it like he had been.

2006-06-23 18:15:35
94.   singledd
Show Melky some tapes of Mattie Alou so he sees there's no shame, and high praise, for a good slap hitter.
2006-06-23 18:18:01
95.   mickey1956
Beckett is pitching a no-hitter/perfect game.
2006-06-23 18:20:43
96.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
ok. Josh Beckett is no hitting the Phillies through 5. In fact, he seems to have a perfect game. I repeat, Josh Beckett is pitching a perfect game.

(Gosh, hope that doesn't jinx him.)

2006-06-23 18:21:28
97.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
Serves me right for not refreshing before I posted old news.
2006-06-23 18:23:45
98.   randym77
97 Yeah, you certainly wouldn't want to repeat that Josh Beckett is pitching a perfect game, since it might jinx him or something. ;-)

Andy's en fuego tonight.

2006-06-23 18:29:18
99.   randym77
It's starting to rain.

They wanted Melky to bunt. He missed the sign, I guess.

They usually don't ask him to bunt, because he's not a good bunter. And he can usually work a walk anyway. Or used to be able to.

2006-06-23 18:33:11
100.   singledd
Hadda leave for a while. Why is Wang out? He seemed to be good after the 2nd inning.
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2006-06-23 18:34:50
101.   randym77
100 Just the formula, I guess.

And maybe they didn't want him to go too deep after pitching a CG last time.

The rain is coming down in buckets.

2006-06-23 18:34:51
102.   randym77
100 Just the formula, I guess.

And maybe they didn't want him to go too deep after pitching a CG last time.

The rain is coming down in buckets.

2006-06-23 18:35:51
103.   kdw
95, 96 Mission accomplished. Bell singled.
2006-06-23 18:36:36
104.   randym77
It's pouring!
2006-06-23 18:37:58
105.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
effin Fanschwacker.
2006-06-23 18:38:05
106.   randym77
@#$%&!!! Shoulda let Wang pitch another inning.
2006-06-23 18:38:47
107.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I bet he walks Jacobs.
2006-06-23 18:39:03
108.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
On 4 pitches.
2006-06-23 18:41:16
109.   randym77
Wow. Jorgie got hit in the facemask with a foul ball. His mask was actually bent.
2006-06-23 18:49:57
110.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
This guy is useless. 4.78 era. Unbelievable.
2006-06-23 18:51:24
111.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
29 hits and 20 walks in 31 innings. Just great.
2006-06-23 18:52:44
112.   rsmith51
At least he didn't walk anyone.
2006-06-23 18:53:15
113.   randym77
I don't think Farnsy has the stomach for this.
2006-06-23 18:54:28
114.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
I don't think I have the stomach for Farnsy.
2006-06-23 18:57:13
115.   singledd
Dotel had a 2 week+ setback... so for a while, Farns is the man. Farns in the Post Season is a heart attack waiting to happen.
2006-06-23 18:59:22
116.   rsmith51
115 Which is why Mo needs to be well rested.
2006-06-23 19:01:34
117.   Simone
The Yankees have got to win this game. They simply cannot keep losing these games to bad teams. Look how the Red Sox are cleaning up against the same teams. This is where the division is won or lost.
2006-06-23 19:03:21
118.   randym77
117 That's what killed us last year. Losing to the likes of KC and Tampa.
2006-06-23 19:03:49
119.   mickey1956
Hughes, P (W, 4-3) 8.0 1 0 0 2 10 0 3.18
Cox 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2.01

This was the pitching line from Trenton tonight. Hughes didn't give up a hit until the 8th. He should be the last player the Yankees trade. Hopefully this will be a combo for years to come in Yankee Stadium.

2006-06-23 19:05:57
120.   JeremyM
119 Damn. This guy might match the hype. How nice would that be--of course, providing it's in Yankee pinstripes.
2006-06-23 19:06:40
121.   mickey1956
120 Health is his only obstacle.
2006-06-23 19:08:33
122.   singledd
That 3rd strike with 3 inches inside. Exactly like the one ARod was called out on.
2006-06-23 19:09:26
123.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
121 I saw some interview with Hughes where he downplayed the health thing. He basically said the Yankees were, rightly given his age, treating him with kid gloves, but that the layoffs the past two years in pro ball were things he could've pitched thru. Usual knocks is how he put it I think.
2006-06-23 19:09:27
124.   Zack
One of the things I love thus far about Hughes is how he has just gotten better and better at AA, and now is easily on track to be in AAA in a month or two...Maybe even a sept call up, though i don't want to rush him
2006-06-23 19:09:58
125.   randym77
Mo for MVP.
2006-06-23 19:13:06
126.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
124 I'd keep in him AA all season. But I might give him a September start in the show.
2006-06-23 19:15:58
127.   mickey1956
126 He has never had a major injury, but a big jump in innings doesn't always bode well. In fact a big jump this year could mean problems next year. I would take it easy with him and leave him in AA all year.
2006-06-23 19:34:34
128.   yankz
Oh my god...that Hughes line is remarkable, and makes me so happy.
2006-06-23 19:43:58
129.   Yankee Fan in Chicago
128 kid turns 20 tomorrow. Celebrating in style.
2006-06-23 21:01:25
130.   yankaholic
Cashman has the right plan... Phil Hughes will be part of the rotation in Sep 07..

infact he said "absolutely no chance" to pitch him in majors this yr..

infact he also said.. they will promote him to Columbus "at max" by september..

2006-06-23 21:30:21
131.   Simone
Johnny D is hilarious. Check this out his comment about the Old Timers day:

"The way our team's been turning over players, we might be scouting," Damon said of the old timers."

2006-06-23 21:35:20
132.   Yu-Hsing Chen
131 unfortunately true? XD

Anyway, mixed feeling game, on the one hand the Yankees really didn't play that well tonight, leaving a ton on while Wang had a rough inning, on the other hand Wang went 7 and the Yanks still won and with the exception of Bernie the defense was nice.

Anyway, I think Bernie needs a day off soon though, and/or Melky too. Bubba's got the swings recently it seems ... and he can't be worse than Melky is at this point with the bat.

I'd Say let Melky and Bernie each get a day off one of these next few games and see what Bubba or Reese can do.

2006-06-24 03:52:18
133.   randym77
131 LOL! I'm getting to really like Johnny D.

132 Agreed. We won, but darn, if the Marlins didn't have holes in their gloves, we wouldn't have. The three errors in the box score really don't tell the story; the scoring was rather generous, IMO.

Wang was fine. After his last outing, I kind of expected him to a little flat. He recovered from that rough inning, which is great - that's what he has to learn to do. (However, as discussed above, that inning was rough courtesy of Bernie's "defense." IMO, Bernie cost us three runs last night.)

Farnsy...arrghhhh. Good as he can be sometimes, I don't think I'll ever trust Farnsworth to hold a lead.

Bubba had a 406 foot out in his only AB. Just a little longer, or pulled a little further right, and it would have been gone. His last AB, on Thursday, he was down 0-2 and battled back to get a single five pitches later. I'd like to see him start over Melky, too, except I don't think it would be good for Melky to sit at this stage in his career.

Posada was POTG, deservedly so. Yeah, he didn't block the plate. But jeez, he's injured, and we had a lead. He missed several games after being clocked the last time. He's right to be selective about when he puts his body on the line.

And Andy was definitely a bright spot. He had a great night.

2006-06-24 06:43:20
134.   Yu-Hsing Chen
133 I suppose ur right, both of those "doubles" were questionable, one was badly misplayed the other he simply didn't get there fast enough. getting to either one of those would have been a scoreless inning.

I really think Bubba and/or Reese need to share some time in the outfield.

2006-06-24 06:53:00
135.   randym77
They should call Kevin Thompson up when he's eligible. The problem with Reese is he's a lefty, like Bubba. A righty and a lefty would be more useful than two lefties.

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